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I don't like to see that. 37 00:02:30,817 --> 00:02:32,795 [CAR HONKING] 38 00:02:32,819 --> 00:02:35,088 REPORTER 1: Still searching for the missing kids. 39 00:02:37,690 --> 00:02:40,393 MAN 1: Amid allegations of child abuse or neglect. 40 00:02:44,864 --> 00:02:47,443 MAN 2: Cellphone pings and surveillance pictures 41 00:02:47,467 --> 00:02:50,236 giving us a better idea of what happened to the family. 42 00:02:52,605 --> 00:02:53,949 MAN Raise your right hand, please. 43 00:02:53,973 --> 00:02:55,251 Do you affirm you'll tell the truth, 44 00:02:55,275 --> 00:02:57,119 the whole truth and nothing but the truth. 45 00:02:57,143 --> 00:02:58,143 MAN 4: Yes, I do. 46 00:02:59,812 --> 00:03:02,549 REPORTER: A complicated legacy that remains a mystery. 47 00:03:04,684 --> 00:03:06,962 MAN 5: All we know is that the vehicle ended up 48 00:03:06,986 --> 00:03:09,365 at the bottom of a 100 foot cliff, 49 00:03:09,389 --> 00:03:11,600 and that's what we're looking for now, 50 00:03:11,624 --> 00:03:14,260 to see if we could figure out what happened. 51 00:03:43,489 --> 00:03:47,736 They were all just a big hug. 52 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,073 And every memory I have of them, 53 00:03:51,097 --> 00:03:55,511 is connected and punctuated by the same moment, 54 00:03:55,535 --> 00:04:00,649 of just a flood of them arriving 55 00:04:00,673 --> 00:04:03,142 and us all hugging each other in one big ball. 56 00:04:04,744 --> 00:04:05,655 Every time. 57 00:04:05,679 --> 00:04:07,690 And no pretense. 58 00:04:07,714 --> 00:04:10,559 No dishonesty. Just... 59 00:04:10,583 --> 00:04:14,763 totally present and completely full of, like this 60 00:04:14,787 --> 00:04:17,757 effervescent, intoxicating love. 61 00:04:19,125 --> 00:04:21,237 That was just undeniable. 62 00:04:21,261 --> 00:04:23,606 All of us thought Devonte was gonna be the president. 63 00:04:23,630 --> 00:04:25,407 You know what I mean? Markis, God bless him, 64 00:04:25,431 --> 00:04:27,009 you know, I mean, Markis never talked. 65 00:04:27,033 --> 00:04:29,712 I knew Markis for four years, and he had 66 00:04:29,736 --> 00:04:31,447 his head in the books all the time. 67 00:04:31,471 --> 00:04:33,716 The most excited I ever saw him was when that 68 00:04:33,740 --> 00:04:36,252 bird landed on the podium at the Bernie Sanders thing. 69 00:04:36,276 --> 00:04:38,787 He was, like, clapping and he was, like, smiling 70 00:04:38,811 --> 00:04:41,290 and that was, that was Markis. 71 00:04:41,314 --> 00:04:44,026 Devonte, he reached out, but he was also, like, 72 00:04:44,050 --> 00:04:46,629 the most sensitive of the group. 73 00:04:46,653 --> 00:04:49,531 Hello, Nusheen, how are you doing today? 74 00:04:49,555 --> 00:04:51,967 I missed you. Thank you for that birthday mask, 75 00:04:51,991 --> 00:04:53,435 I loved it so much. 76 00:04:53,459 --> 00:04:55,061 [WOMAN LAUGHING] 77 00:04:56,229 --> 00:04:59,465 Making some bean wraps today for my siblings. 78 00:05:01,834 --> 00:05:03,403 To me, it seemed like, 79 00:05:04,137 --> 00:05:06,339 these children were so 80 00:05:07,774 --> 00:05:10,286 joyful and well adjusted, 81 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:13,055 and engaging, I mean, 82 00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:14,657 they were all different. 83 00:05:14,681 --> 00:05:18,160 And Markis and Hannah were much quieter, 84 00:05:18,184 --> 00:05:21,630 they were much, much more observers, 85 00:05:21,654 --> 00:05:25,567 and peripheral, and the part of me that prefers the edges 86 00:05:25,591 --> 00:05:27,260 related to them in that way. 87 00:05:28,961 --> 00:05:33,776 And then Devonte and Jeremiah, 88 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,079 and Sierra were always right up in there. 89 00:05:37,103 --> 00:05:38,914 You know, engaging with everybody. 90 00:05:38,938 --> 00:05:39,938 JEN: Go, Abby, go. 91 00:05:41,507 --> 00:05:42,842 She's washing her hair, I think. 92 00:05:43,443 --> 00:05:45,654 [ALL LAUGHING] 93 00:05:45,678 --> 00:05:48,691 Got it up my nose. 94 00:05:48,715 --> 00:05:52,261 JENNIFEDevonte was definitely the most outgoing and charismatic. 95 00:05:52,285 --> 00:05:53,495 And you could tell that within him 96 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:54,830 that he's a very old soul. 97 00:05:54,854 --> 00:05:56,965 That, as we got to know the rest of the family, 98 00:05:56,989 --> 00:05:59,001 I really feel like Jeremiah and Abby, 99 00:05:59,025 --> 00:06:00,336 would jump out of their shells 100 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:01,937 and they'd just be these characters... 101 00:06:01,961 --> 00:06:02,961 [CHILDREN GIGGLING] 102 00:06:11,237 --> 00:06:12,715 I think that, because their brother 103 00:06:12,739 --> 00:06:14,550 was so outgoing, that it helped them 104 00:06:14,574 --> 00:06:16,518 to feel more comfortable in their own skin. 105 00:06:16,542 --> 00:06:19,355 I first met Jen in 2015. 106 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:22,324 At that time, I was the leader of the game 107 00:06:22,348 --> 00:06:23,959 that we were playing, 108 00:06:23,983 --> 00:06:29,331 but it ended up being almost an everyday interaction. 109 00:06:29,355 --> 00:06:33,802 Jen was more of an inspiration, I think, 110 00:06:33,826 --> 00:06:36,472 on multiple levels for a lot of us, 111 00:06:36,496 --> 00:06:38,707 being active politically 112 00:06:38,731 --> 00:06:43,136 for the rights of Black Lives Matter. 113 00:06:43,903 --> 00:06:45,314 Huge. 114 00:06:45,338 --> 00:06:48,183 She was a huge person in that, actually. 115 00:06:48,207 --> 00:06:50,519 I can't put into words. 116 00:06:50,543 --> 00:06:52,921 But she motivated me to actually speak out 117 00:06:52,945 --> 00:06:55,090 and use my voice more. 118 00:06:55,114 --> 00:06:57,025 She was very honest, 119 00:06:57,049 --> 00:06:59,094 she would straight up tell you a lot, like, 120 00:06:59,118 --> 00:07:01,230 "Oh, my God, your children are perfect. 121 00:07:01,254 --> 00:07:02,531 "Everything is wonderful." 122 00:07:02,555 --> 00:07:05,667 And she was, like, "No, they're still kids, 123 00:07:05,691 --> 00:07:08,704 "they're still kids, like, there's still stuff that happens, 124 00:07:08,728 --> 00:07:10,372 "that, like, you know, you gotta deal with. 125 00:07:10,396 --> 00:07:12,508 "But, yeah, I'm really lucky. 126 00:07:12,532 --> 00:07:14,576 "Because these kids are really amazing. 127 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,581 "And I am very, very blessed to have them in my life." 128 00:07:19,605 --> 00:07:22,117 ZIPPORAH: So Sarah was often quieter, 129 00:07:22,141 --> 00:07:24,853 kind of, like, Markis and Hannah were, 130 00:07:24,877 --> 00:07:27,980 And Jen was always, like, right there, as well. 131 00:07:28,748 --> 00:07:30,192 Right in the middle of things. 132 00:07:30,216 --> 00:07:32,018 - SARAH: What? - You can see a snake for real? 133 00:07:32,952 --> 00:07:34,854 Not a real one, honey. Look at, right here. 134 00:07:36,255 --> 00:07:38,100 BOY: I got snake there. 135 00:07:38,124 --> 00:07:40,102 What's this? 136 00:07:40,126 --> 00:07:42,028 - You guys like it here, don't you? - Yeah. 137 00:07:46,999 --> 00:07:50,612 Jen was, you know, just a very friendly person, 138 00:07:50,636 --> 00:07:53,282 good smile, good laugh, 139 00:07:53,306 --> 00:07:55,551 seemed like a reasonable play person to me. 140 00:07:55,575 --> 00:07:58,787 She seemed frustrated with the problems of the world. 141 00:07:58,811 --> 00:08:02,224 Sarah was very quiet, definitely seemed a little more shy, 142 00:08:02,248 --> 00:08:04,259 I didn't really... 143 00:08:04,283 --> 00:08:07,463 I feel like I only really talked to Sarah once, you know, at a party. 144 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:10,766 Like, all the other time, Sarah was, like, "Hi." "Bye." Kind of like that. 145 00:08:10,790 --> 00:08:14,136 I started working with Sarah at Kohl's 146 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,240 in Beaverton, in 2015. 147 00:08:18,264 --> 00:08:20,642 She was always backed by kids and home. 148 00:08:20,666 --> 00:08:24,613 She had an earthy flow vibe to her. 149 00:08:24,637 --> 00:08:26,915 NUSHEEN: Sarah's a mystery to me. 150 00:08:26,939 --> 00:08:30,118 She was, like, this very quiet, very go with the flow, 151 00:08:30,142 --> 00:08:31,987 just like solider, right? 152 00:08:32,011 --> 00:08:34,656 Constantly exhausted from working so hard. 153 00:08:34,680 --> 00:08:37,116 Gets home, calm, even keeled. 154 00:08:37,683 --> 00:08:39,495 [SINGING] 155 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:41,530 There was that moment at Beloved festival, 156 00:08:41,554 --> 00:08:44,199 you see Xavier, gestured, like, 157 00:08:44,223 --> 00:08:45,767 "Come, give me a hug." 158 00:08:45,791 --> 00:08:48,261 [SINGING] 159 00:08:50,129 --> 00:08:52,131 [PEOPLE CHEERING] 160 00:08:54,333 --> 00:08:57,713 As Xavier was hugging Devonte, 161 00:08:57,737 --> 00:09:00,382 and still singing, all of us saw 162 00:09:00,406 --> 00:09:02,551 he became very overcome with emotion, 163 00:09:02,575 --> 00:09:04,319 which would happen a lot. 164 00:09:04,343 --> 00:09:06,112 [PEOPLE LAUGHING] 165 00:09:07,580 --> 00:09:09,391 It was a very common occurrence 166 00:09:09,415 --> 00:09:11,217 that people would start crying, 167 00:09:12,051 --> 00:09:14,387 and he turned, and, 168 00:09:16,656 --> 00:09:21,169 with his sobbing face, he ran straight into Jen's arms. 169 00:09:21,193 --> 00:09:24,840 And when I saw that, I just started bawling. 170 00:09:24,864 --> 00:09:27,876 Because what I saw so clearly there, was that 171 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:31,079 he loved her, and she loved him. 172 00:09:31,103 --> 00:09:32,814 What I saw there, and again, 173 00:09:32,838 --> 00:09:34,683 I'm looking through my confirmation bias, 174 00:09:34,707 --> 00:09:37,109 I saw pure love. 175 00:09:39,011 --> 00:09:41,757 OFFICER: You are in the street blocking the roadway. 176 00:09:41,781 --> 00:09:43,392 You're unlawfully assembled. 177 00:09:43,416 --> 00:09:44,993 Everybody want me to be calm. 178 00:09:45,017 --> 00:09:46,995 Do you know how many bullets hit my son? 179 00:09:47,019 --> 00:09:49,898 Burn this bitch down! Burn this bitch down! 180 00:09:49,922 --> 00:09:50,833 Burn down! 181 00:09:50,857 --> 00:09:52,768 We are Darren Wilson. 182 00:09:52,792 --> 00:09:55,037 OFFICER: You need to disperse immediately. 183 00:09:55,061 --> 00:09:57,506 Or you will be subject to arrest. Do it now. 184 00:09:57,530 --> 00:09:58,907 What the world needs now 185 00:09:58,931 --> 00:10:01,009 might just be what we see in this photo, 186 00:10:01,033 --> 00:10:03,412 after days of disturbing media imagery. 187 00:10:03,436 --> 00:10:05,447 MAN: That moment in time, the picture that is out 188 00:10:05,471 --> 00:10:06,882 floating around on the Internet, 189 00:10:06,906 --> 00:10:08,116 and throughout the world. 190 00:10:08,140 --> 00:10:09,751 I think that just captured the moment. 191 00:10:09,775 --> 00:10:15,424 So apropos of what not only the community is asking for, 192 00:10:15,448 --> 00:10:16,959 what the nation is asking for, 193 00:10:16,983 --> 00:10:18,884 but what the world is asking for right now. 194 00:10:22,221 --> 00:10:24,766 I saw it online like most people did, 195 00:10:24,790 --> 00:10:28,036 I remember, it very specifically, 196 00:10:28,060 --> 00:10:29,538 because Kim Kardashian 197 00:10:29,562 --> 00:10:31,073 came out with that ridiculous, 198 00:10:31,097 --> 00:10:35,143 uh, paste article of her butt, like, popping something 199 00:10:35,167 --> 00:10:38,380 up in the air, and they were, like, Kim Kardashian broke the Internet, 200 00:10:38,404 --> 00:10:41,283 - and then it was, Devonte Hart... - BOTH: Saved the Internet. 201 00:10:41,307 --> 00:10:44,419 In the same day because, like, it shut down 202 00:10:44,443 --> 00:10:47,422 the Internet of her butt, and then it was Devonte hugging, 203 00:10:47,446 --> 00:10:49,424 you know, someone that brought everyone back up. 204 00:10:49,448 --> 00:10:51,460 I remember people posting, and things, just saying 205 00:10:51,484 --> 00:10:53,261 resharing and resharing 206 00:10:53,285 --> 00:10:56,398 of, "Oh, my God, this child is healing me in a way. 207 00:10:56,422 --> 00:10:59,668 "I didn't ever think that I could feel this type of hope, 208 00:10:59,692 --> 00:11:01,269 "in a picture like this." 209 00:11:01,293 --> 00:11:04,606 If you've ever received a hug from Devonte, 210 00:11:04,630 --> 00:11:07,943 you know, you knew that he meant it. 211 00:11:07,967 --> 00:11:11,113 He hugged you with the entirety of himself. 212 00:11:11,137 --> 00:11:14,816 He wasn't the type of person that just, like, one of those little arm pats. 213 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,420 It was, he... I remember when we first had our exchange of a hug, 214 00:11:18,444 --> 00:11:20,088 he said, "Oh, you're a good hugger." 215 00:11:20,112 --> 00:11:21,957 - Yeah. - "You hug heart to heart. 216 00:11:21,981 --> 00:11:23,125 "You know that that's what it's about. 217 00:11:23,149 --> 00:11:24,593 "It's about our hearts." 218 00:11:24,617 --> 00:11:26,194 He's like, "We've to hold, we've to give a second, 219 00:11:26,218 --> 00:11:28,530 "and you squeeze, so people know that you really mean it." 220 00:11:28,554 --> 00:11:30,599 And at the time, I was "Wow. 221 00:11:30,623 --> 00:11:32,701 "My mom taught me that. Who taught you that?" 222 00:11:32,725 --> 00:11:33,835 And he's like, "My mom." 223 00:11:33,859 --> 00:11:35,303 I was like, "It's a good mom." 224 00:11:35,327 --> 00:11:36,962 He's like, "Yeah, she's okay. 225 00:11:38,130 --> 00:11:39,708 It felt like, to me, like, he really did, 226 00:11:39,732 --> 00:11:41,343 you know, in his own young way, 227 00:11:41,367 --> 00:11:42,644 wanna make the world a better place. 228 00:11:42,668 --> 00:11:44,212 In that, he was initiating that. 229 00:11:44,236 --> 00:11:47,349 That photo going viral is an example 230 00:11:47,373 --> 00:11:49,384 of social media success in some ways. 231 00:11:49,408 --> 00:11:50,852 It felt like a real story, 232 00:11:50,876 --> 00:11:52,721 a real human moment 233 00:11:52,745 --> 00:11:56,525 being captured that's not, um, negative 234 00:11:56,549 --> 00:11:58,894 and it's really beautiful. 235 00:11:58,918 --> 00:12:01,163 Devonte was at that time, 236 00:12:01,187 --> 00:12:03,165 telling us about his birthday coming up 237 00:12:03,189 --> 00:12:05,734 and how one of his favorite things to do 238 00:12:05,758 --> 00:12:08,470 was to raise money for different organizations, 239 00:12:08,494 --> 00:12:11,206 that had to do with the Earth and protecting her. 240 00:12:11,230 --> 00:12:14,176 - And, uh... - AMANDA: That's what I think I saw the first Free Hugs. 241 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:15,510 The sign, he was wearing 242 00:12:15,534 --> 00:12:17,212 the Free Hugs sign at that benefit. 243 00:12:17,236 --> 00:12:18,547 And we're like, "What's up with the hugs?" 244 00:12:18,571 --> 00:12:19,881 No, down at the square. 245 00:12:19,905 --> 00:12:21,383 Yeah, that's what I mean, at the square benefit. 246 00:12:21,407 --> 00:12:23,251 And then, that's when he explained, 247 00:12:23,275 --> 00:12:26,021 "Every year, I raise, like, try to raise funds for my favorite charity 248 00:12:26,045 --> 00:12:29,825 by giving hugs and people, you know, donate to that. 249 00:12:29,849 --> 00:12:31,760 I was struck when I went back and looked at 250 00:12:31,784 --> 00:12:35,097 how much interesting Facebook posts about her family 251 00:12:35,121 --> 00:12:38,400 and how often she was doing that. 252 00:12:38,424 --> 00:12:40,736 That would give you a lack of privacy, 253 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,372 you know, to be posting that much stuff about yourself. 254 00:12:44,396 --> 00:12:46,041 I don't think she did it intentionally 255 00:12:46,065 --> 00:12:49,745 but it's definitely cultivating seeds to have a viral video 256 00:12:49,769 --> 00:12:53,014 happen for you, or a viral photo. 257 00:12:53,038 --> 00:12:56,551 That kind of behavior. Putting yourself out there that much. 258 00:12:56,575 --> 00:12:59,588 Now that I see tons of posts about the kids, 259 00:12:59,612 --> 00:13:03,225 interesting snippets where it's, kind of, personal. 260 00:13:03,249 --> 00:13:05,293 I never understood that dichotomy of it. 261 00:13:05,317 --> 00:13:09,598 The... What she would tell me about how much she didn't want to be in limelight, 262 00:13:09,622 --> 00:13:14,102 and then how much the posting and those type of things 263 00:13:14,126 --> 00:13:15,937 caused them to be in the limelight. 264 00:13:15,961 --> 00:13:18,273 I think this is an example of how 265 00:13:18,297 --> 00:13:21,610 that extremist and rapid 266 00:13:21,634 --> 00:13:24,112 environment of sharing information 267 00:13:24,136 --> 00:13:28,483 blows over and doesn't look back to check back in on 268 00:13:28,507 --> 00:13:32,721 parts of the story that, um, don't, maybe, necessarily fit a narrative, 269 00:13:32,745 --> 00:13:35,557 that is, that could go viral, 270 00:13:35,581 --> 00:13:37,826 that are more complex, more nuanced, and, like, 271 00:13:37,850 --> 00:13:40,295 that's where our humanity is. 272 00:13:40,319 --> 00:13:42,597 The deepest truths about us are 273 00:13:42,621 --> 00:13:45,167 not totally black and white. 274 00:13:45,191 --> 00:13:46,268 There's a gradient, 275 00:13:46,292 --> 00:13:48,003 all the shade exists there 276 00:13:48,027 --> 00:13:49,638 and, like, that is so important 277 00:13:49,662 --> 00:13:51,773 to be able to have a venue for discussing that, 278 00:13:51,797 --> 00:13:54,843 and the mainstream media and social media, 279 00:13:54,867 --> 00:13:56,444 are moving at such a pace, 280 00:13:56,468 --> 00:13:57,846 that we don't even discuss 281 00:13:57,870 --> 00:14:01,006 in a context where our humanity can be understood. 282 00:14:02,875 --> 00:14:06,021 NUSHEEN: I remember Jen telling me she felt like she had PTSD, 283 00:14:06,045 --> 00:14:08,523 as a result of that photo coming out. 284 00:14:08,547 --> 00:14:10,492 Someone taking something so beautiful, 285 00:14:10,516 --> 00:14:13,185 and running with it and creating so much hate in diversity. 286 00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:15,054 She felt like... 287 00:14:17,656 --> 00:14:18,757 they would never... 288 00:14:19,892 --> 00:14:23,262 escape people looking in from the outside, 289 00:14:24,029 --> 00:14:25,029 and... 290 00:14:27,132 --> 00:14:28,944 being suspicious and judging them. 291 00:14:28,968 --> 00:14:30,979 And honestly, the more people did that, 292 00:14:31,003 --> 00:14:35,317 the more they closed off. 293 00:14:35,341 --> 00:14:39,521 I started to notice, like, the Sarah that I thought I knew, 294 00:14:39,545 --> 00:14:40,989 she started to hide more. 295 00:14:41,013 --> 00:14:43,983 She started to, I guess, withdraw herself. 296 00:14:45,684 --> 00:14:49,397 I think they probably didn't know how bad 297 00:14:49,421 --> 00:14:51,299 the reaction was gonna be. 298 00:14:51,323 --> 00:14:52,625 I think they probably just... 299 00:14:53,659 --> 00:14:54,870 God, I don't know. 300 00:14:54,894 --> 00:14:57,806 After the picture of Devonte went viral, 301 00:14:57,830 --> 00:15:02,177 and, you know, the moms, or Jen, perceived herself to be the target for harassment, 302 00:15:02,201 --> 00:15:04,079 at least according to one of her friends, 303 00:15:04,103 --> 00:15:06,214 that seems to be one of the theories about she fell 304 00:15:06,238 --> 00:15:07,916 into a deep depression. 305 00:15:07,940 --> 00:15:09,484 It had to do with that photo going viral 306 00:15:09,508 --> 00:15:11,319 and all the perceived harassment. 307 00:15:11,343 --> 00:15:13,279 From my observation, from 308 00:15:15,214 --> 00:15:18,260 things Jen told me personally, 309 00:15:18,284 --> 00:15:22,855 and shared privately, on Facebook, 310 00:15:26,725 --> 00:15:27,725 that, 311 00:15:31,130 --> 00:15:33,842 the public response to the hug photo, 312 00:15:33,866 --> 00:15:36,535 was the snare that began the unraveling. 313 00:15:39,571 --> 00:15:41,416 WOMAN: My name is Tammy Sheurich, 314 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,386 I'm the mother of Markis, Hannah and Abigail. 315 00:15:44,410 --> 00:15:46,121 When they took my children away, 316 00:15:46,145 --> 00:15:49,057 I went through a very deep and dark depression, 317 00:15:49,081 --> 00:15:50,959 I'd sat myself in the house, 318 00:15:50,983 --> 00:15:54,029 I didn't know what was happening, I didn't understand. 319 00:15:54,053 --> 00:15:56,231 I just started comin' out of the house, 320 00:15:56,255 --> 00:15:57,732 when I was arrested. 321 00:15:57,756 --> 00:16:00,702 My rights weren't terminated by Child Services. 322 00:16:00,726 --> 00:16:03,738 I voluntarily relinquished my rights. 323 00:16:03,762 --> 00:16:07,042 I was trying to make the most unselfish decision 324 00:16:07,066 --> 00:16:08,133 for my children. 325 00:16:12,104 --> 00:16:13,481 WOMAN: My name is Shonda Jones, 326 00:16:13,505 --> 00:16:15,083 I'm an attorney here in Houston, Texas, 327 00:16:15,107 --> 00:16:17,485 I've practiced for over 22 years. 328 00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:20,588 I practice primarily in the are of family law. 329 00:16:20,612 --> 00:16:22,090 I really don't know, honestly, 330 00:16:22,114 --> 00:16:27,095 about the specifics of Sherry and Mr. Davis' relationship. 331 00:16:27,119 --> 00:16:30,932 Um, I do believe Mr. Davis really truly loved those kids. 332 00:16:30,956 --> 00:16:34,302 But CPS, from my recollection, 333 00:16:34,326 --> 00:16:36,738 didn't think that he was eligible. 334 00:16:36,762 --> 00:16:38,773 My guess is that Mom, 335 00:16:38,797 --> 00:16:41,409 one can look at it, and say she made the choice. 336 00:16:41,433 --> 00:16:44,279 You know, she chose the drugs over the children. 337 00:16:44,303 --> 00:16:47,182 Um, and I don't mean to say that in a way to try to blame her, 338 00:16:47,206 --> 00:16:49,842 because I don't know anything about Sherry's past. 339 00:17:21,473 --> 00:17:24,019 So when I was young, I was in a placement, 340 00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:26,324 You know, if I'd done good I'd have been with my brothers. 341 00:17:27,579 --> 00:17:31,626 You know, when I was young, I used to always fight. 342 00:17:31,650 --> 00:17:33,652 You know, get into stuff, get in trouble. 343 00:17:34,686 --> 00:17:36,798 So I didn't have the time to, 344 00:17:36,822 --> 00:17:38,133 you know, regroup with them, 345 00:17:38,157 --> 00:17:42,237 By the time I calmed down, they got adopted. 346 00:17:42,261 --> 00:17:44,839 I used to always ask, like, "I wanna see my brothers. 347 00:17:44,863 --> 00:17:46,641 "Can I see my brothers?" 348 00:17:46,665 --> 00:17:50,145 And they'd be like, "No, you're a bad influence." 349 00:17:50,169 --> 00:17:51,846 At the stage that I came into the case, 350 00:17:51,870 --> 00:17:55,650 that's when Sherry Hurd and Clarence Celestine's 351 00:17:55,674 --> 00:17:57,185 rights were being terminated. 352 00:17:57,209 --> 00:17:59,521 And I think, like I said, that was the damage control. 353 00:17:59,545 --> 00:18:01,589 They were panicking, and then that's when they thought 354 00:18:01,613 --> 00:18:04,025 that Celestine would be the most suitable candidate 355 00:18:04,049 --> 00:18:06,618 to be the caretaker for the children. 356 00:18:09,888 --> 00:18:12,067 I thought that maybe I would see the kids again 357 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:14,369 and I just wanted to hold on to let them know 358 00:18:14,393 --> 00:18:16,271 there was somebody who fought for you. 359 00:18:16,295 --> 00:18:17,939 Because once the rights are terminated, 360 00:18:17,963 --> 00:18:20,275 they don't know anything about why they wound up 361 00:18:20,299 --> 00:18:22,101 where they were, they just know we're here. 362 00:18:23,202 --> 00:18:25,080 And they think that no one cared about them, 363 00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:29,217 so I wanted them to know, you had an aunt who fought for you. 364 00:18:29,241 --> 00:18:32,053 I felt that it was an injustice 365 00:18:32,077 --> 00:18:34,189 when the children were abruptly removed 366 00:18:34,213 --> 00:18:37,349 from Miss Celestine without having an opportunity 367 00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:39,561 to be brought into court, 368 00:18:39,585 --> 00:18:40,929 to have a hearing, 369 00:18:40,953 --> 00:18:43,364 to some due process. 370 00:18:43,388 --> 00:18:46,801 The reason for removing the children from Celestine I think was very cold, 371 00:18:46,825 --> 00:18:48,136 I think it was very callous 372 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,138 and I think it was a benign reason. 373 00:18:50,162 --> 00:18:52,040 I think it was something that could've been handled 374 00:18:52,064 --> 00:18:54,609 in a much more, in my opinion, humane manner. 375 00:18:54,633 --> 00:18:56,811 I think they could've brought her into court, 376 00:18:56,835 --> 00:18:58,713 they could've issued her a warning, 377 00:18:58,737 --> 00:19:01,883 and make her aware of the seriousness 378 00:19:01,907 --> 00:19:03,952 of letting the mom see the children. 379 00:19:03,976 --> 00:19:05,920 Once CPS takes the position, 380 00:19:05,944 --> 00:19:08,790 and their position is that the rights are going to be terminated 381 00:19:08,814 --> 00:19:11,226 that's exactly what's going to happen. 382 00:19:11,250 --> 00:19:15,154 The courts normally, honestly, rubber stamp whatever CPS says. 383 00:19:15,921 --> 00:19:17,689 I mean, they just do. 384 00:19:20,592 --> 00:19:22,027 Really... 385 00:19:23,595 --> 00:19:25,240 I want to say it's my fault 386 00:19:25,264 --> 00:19:27,533 but then again, it's not. 387 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,744 I had no control over it. 388 00:19:29,768 --> 00:19:31,346 When I had control over it, 389 00:19:31,370 --> 00:19:33,281 I feel like it was kinda my fault. 390 00:19:33,305 --> 00:19:34,573 [NATHANIEL SPEAKING] 391 00:19:43,282 --> 00:19:44,616 [KIDS CHATTER] 392 00:20:02,167 --> 00:20:05,880 DANA: They moved in, I want to say May 17th, 2017. 393 00:20:05,904 --> 00:20:08,550 I knew the house had sold 394 00:20:08,574 --> 00:20:10,518 and I had looked up that it had closed 395 00:20:10,542 --> 00:20:12,487 and they moved in shortly thereafter. 396 00:20:12,511 --> 00:20:15,290 We've had kids live next door before. 397 00:20:15,314 --> 00:20:18,126 You hear them, you see them, 398 00:20:18,150 --> 00:20:20,528 they speak to you, you know, and... 399 00:20:20,552 --> 00:20:23,298 So this was completely abnormal 400 00:20:23,322 --> 00:20:25,633 to have six kids that we never saw, 401 00:20:25,657 --> 00:20:27,235 heard, or spoke to. 402 00:20:27,259 --> 00:20:29,571 Sarah didn't really tell us much about her family. 403 00:20:29,595 --> 00:20:31,806 I don't know anyone that worked with us 404 00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:35,843 that knew more than she's married to Jen 405 00:20:35,867 --> 00:20:38,170 and she has six kids. I mean, she didn't really 406 00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:40,582 tell much about her family. 407 00:20:40,606 --> 00:20:42,350 To me, that was a little weird 'cause 408 00:20:42,374 --> 00:20:45,019 I brag about my son 24/7, you know. 409 00:20:45,043 --> 00:20:47,655 And besides knowing that she has six kids, 410 00:20:47,679 --> 00:20:49,857 we didn't really know much about her. 411 00:20:49,881 --> 00:20:52,594 One of the impressions I got when you sent me the photos, 412 00:20:52,618 --> 00:20:55,396 you know, of their Facebook feeds, of Jen and Sara. 413 00:20:55,420 --> 00:20:56,764 Is like how perfect they are. 414 00:20:56,788 --> 00:20:59,567 And the word perfectly curated comes up a lot. 415 00:20:59,591 --> 00:21:01,569 And what that implies is, 416 00:21:01,593 --> 00:21:04,839 curation implies an act of image manipulation essentially. 417 00:21:04,863 --> 00:21:07,542 So they were, they lived the kinds of lives 418 00:21:07,566 --> 00:21:10,378 that they can project this perfect image of themselves 419 00:21:10,402 --> 00:21:13,881 because most of their quote-unquote "friends" were either through Facebook 420 00:21:13,905 --> 00:21:17,018 or they were, kind of this temporary encounters at festivals 421 00:21:17,042 --> 00:21:18,920 where they could, on a temporary basis 422 00:21:18,944 --> 00:21:21,623 project everything positive they want to project about them. 423 00:21:21,647 --> 00:21:25,226 The pictures of them playing in the snow 424 00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:27,562 those kids were not outside playing in the snow 425 00:21:27,586 --> 00:21:29,764 but yet there is this picture of them, you know, 426 00:21:29,788 --> 00:21:31,933 and it's so perfectly propped 427 00:21:31,957 --> 00:21:34,969 with Devonte and I think, it was Jeremiah 428 00:21:34,993 --> 00:21:36,904 and they're sitting out in the snow 429 00:21:36,928 --> 00:21:38,740 and they have a mug in their hand 430 00:21:38,764 --> 00:21:41,075 and they're probably, you know, drinking hot chocolate. 431 00:21:41,099 --> 00:21:45,113 Or where they're on the side of a lake 432 00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:48,674 and they are turning around and blowing kisses to mom. 433 00:22:07,526 --> 00:22:09,804 I am Investigator Jake Slates, 434 00:22:09,828 --> 00:22:11,839 S-L-A-T-E-S. 435 00:22:11,863 --> 00:22:14,142 I am currently employed by the California Highway Patrol 436 00:22:14,166 --> 00:22:17,578 and I've been employed with them for approximately ten years now. 437 00:22:17,602 --> 00:22:19,480 Um, my current position is 438 00:22:19,504 --> 00:22:22,850 I'm in our investigative services unit. 439 00:22:22,874 --> 00:22:24,919 At one point, there was a call 440 00:22:24,943 --> 00:22:26,688 from the elementary school, 441 00:22:26,712 --> 00:22:28,456 of one of the children being abused. 442 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,191 That would've been Abigail. 443 00:22:30,215 --> 00:22:34,195 CPS department ended up doing an investigation in to that report. 444 00:22:34,219 --> 00:22:36,998 They observed that the child had extensive 445 00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:38,800 injuries to her body. 446 00:22:38,824 --> 00:22:40,702 At that point, there were some indications 447 00:22:40,726 --> 00:22:43,271 that the kids were not eating properly. 448 00:22:43,295 --> 00:22:47,809 When both Sara and Jennifer were questioned about the incident, 449 00:22:47,833 --> 00:22:49,844 um, Abigail named Jennifer 450 00:22:49,868 --> 00:22:52,814 as the one that was the abusive parent, 451 00:22:52,838 --> 00:22:55,516 but when questioned by authorities, 452 00:22:55,540 --> 00:22:57,885 Sarah was the one that took the blame. 453 00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:59,487 We'd kind of established at this point 454 00:22:59,511 --> 00:23:01,889 that there seemed to be a pattern that was going on 455 00:23:01,913 --> 00:23:05,660 and when Clerk County told me that there was another CPS report 456 00:23:05,684 --> 00:23:07,328 that had been opened up 457 00:23:07,352 --> 00:23:11,456 into allegations of child misconduct, 458 00:23:12,257 --> 00:23:14,035 that indicated to us 459 00:23:14,059 --> 00:23:18,239 that this is potentially another situation to that effect. 460 00:23:18,263 --> 00:23:21,909 MAN: Yeah, there are some kids that I feel are being highly abused. 461 00:23:21,933 --> 00:23:24,078 DISPATCHER: Where at? MAN: I can't wait till Monday... 462 00:23:24,102 --> 00:23:27,148 In Woodland, Washington. 463 00:23:27,172 --> 00:23:29,584 DISPATCHER: What's the address? 464 00:23:29,608 --> 00:23:32,520 MAN: Okay, I'm gonna give you the address of my daughter's house 465 00:23:32,544 --> 00:23:35,556 - 'cause it's right next door. - DISPATCHER: Okay, and what's going on there? 466 00:23:35,580 --> 00:23:38,259 The doorbell rang, the dog went crazy 467 00:23:38,283 --> 00:23:41,329 and Hannah just came barging in the door. 468 00:23:41,353 --> 00:23:44,499 She was just covered in blackberry weeds 469 00:23:44,523 --> 00:23:46,534 and grass, you know, just... 470 00:23:46,558 --> 00:23:49,070 you could tell she's been running through the weeds. 471 00:23:49,094 --> 00:23:53,341 MAN: The other night, a little girl jumped out of the second story window 472 00:23:53,365 --> 00:23:56,077 on the roof and then down onto the ground. 473 00:23:56,101 --> 00:23:59,347 And ran to my daughter. This is like, 2:00 in the morning, 474 00:23:59,371 --> 00:24:02,016 begging them to help her, to help her. 475 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,051 And she just kinda barged her way in 476 00:24:04,075 --> 00:24:06,220 and was pleading to Bruce to help her 477 00:24:06,244 --> 00:24:09,424 and to please protect her, "save her" type of thing. 478 00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:12,059 And so, he starts yelling my name 479 00:24:12,083 --> 00:24:15,062 for me to come down, 'cause he didn't know what to do. 480 00:24:15,086 --> 00:24:17,622 DISPATCHER: Did the girl ever say why she was scared? 481 00:24:18,824 --> 00:24:21,602 MAN: No, she... She was crying 482 00:24:21,626 --> 00:24:24,639 and when they came looking for her, 483 00:24:24,663 --> 00:24:26,541 she was begging my daughter 484 00:24:26,565 --> 00:24:28,443 not to let them know she was there. 485 00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:31,746 And then eventually my son in law let them know. 486 00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:33,781 So I got up and... 487 00:24:33,805 --> 00:24:35,750 got her to calm down a little bit and talk 488 00:24:35,774 --> 00:24:38,386 and she started telling us how they were, you know, 489 00:24:38,410 --> 00:24:40,621 abusing her, they were racist. 490 00:24:40,645 --> 00:24:43,658 In the meantime, her moms and siblings 491 00:24:43,682 --> 00:24:45,793 were all out in the property 492 00:24:45,817 --> 00:24:48,896 yelling her name and had flashlights looking for her. 493 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,600 And so Bruce went and said, "She's here", 494 00:24:52,624 --> 00:24:54,435 then they came to the door 495 00:24:54,459 --> 00:24:56,637 and they just kinda barged in the house 496 00:24:56,661 --> 00:24:58,473 and found her in my bedroom. 497 00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:01,742 And she had huddled down between my bed and dresser 498 00:25:01,766 --> 00:25:05,947 and was, you know, just scared. 499 00:25:05,971 --> 00:25:09,317 I mean, I... so when the moms approached her, 500 00:25:09,341 --> 00:25:11,285 I could see her just like, freaking out 501 00:25:11,309 --> 00:25:13,354 so I told them, "Whoa, back up. 502 00:25:13,378 --> 00:25:16,023 You need to give her some space, you're freaking me out now". 503 00:25:16,047 --> 00:25:19,093 And so, Jennifer took Sarah by the shoulder 504 00:25:19,117 --> 00:25:20,628 and pulled her back and said, 505 00:25:20,652 --> 00:25:23,097 "You go back with the other kids, I'll deal with this". 506 00:25:23,121 --> 00:25:27,001 They left, and she stood right there in the entry 507 00:25:27,025 --> 00:25:29,270 and she kind of crouched down to Hannah's size 508 00:25:29,294 --> 00:25:30,838 and was telling her, you know, 509 00:25:30,862 --> 00:25:32,874 you just need to tell these people you're sorry... 510 00:25:32,898 --> 00:25:34,141 "Yes, ma'am." 511 00:25:34,165 --> 00:25:35,776 and you need to explain to them you know, 512 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,812 that you've just been really sad, it's been a tough week. 513 00:25:37,836 --> 00:25:39,347 "Yes, ma'am." 514 00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:41,373 Just total 515 00:25:42,007 --> 00:25:43,985 you know, robot. 516 00:25:44,009 --> 00:25:48,055 MAN: And then she had all four of the kids come back later 517 00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:49,957 and to say everything was okay 518 00:25:49,981 --> 00:25:51,626 and they're all standing at attention 519 00:25:51,650 --> 00:25:53,828 like they were just scared to death. 520 00:25:53,852 --> 00:25:55,396 The next morning, 521 00:25:55,420 --> 00:25:57,789 6:30 in the morning, my doorbell's ringing. 522 00:26:00,358 --> 00:26:02,203 "Dear Dana Bruce, 523 00:26:02,227 --> 00:26:05,206 I stopped this morning because I feel awful about disturbing your peace 524 00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:07,174 and worrying you in the middle of the night. 525 00:26:07,198 --> 00:26:09,010 I was very frustrated with my brother 526 00:26:09,034 --> 00:26:11,178 and didn't handle things very maturely 527 00:26:11,202 --> 00:26:13,881 and I am sorry for telling lies to get attention. 528 00:26:13,905 --> 00:26:15,883 I am working on being more honest 529 00:26:15,907 --> 00:26:19,320 and finding better ways to communicate my frustrations. 530 00:26:19,344 --> 00:26:22,990 I've been pretty sad about two of our cats dying recently. 531 00:26:23,014 --> 00:26:25,860 So I was just very sad and frustrated last night. 532 00:26:25,884 --> 00:26:28,286 Thank you for being kind, Hannah." 533 00:26:30,121 --> 00:26:32,934 MAN: Since she's told me about it, I just can't live with it. 534 00:26:32,958 --> 00:26:35,336 I am very concerned for these kids 535 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,438 I just can't let this go any longer, 536 00:26:37,462 --> 00:26:39,431 those kids, I think are in very serious danger. 537 00:26:43,535 --> 00:26:46,047 DANThe first time he came was March 15th, 538 00:26:46,071 --> 00:26:47,915 he showed up late evening, 539 00:26:47,939 --> 00:26:52,086 and Bruce was actually outside, it was like at 9 o clock at night, 540 00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:55,590 and he caught him running down the driveway, 541 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:57,959 and he yelled out to him, you know, "What's going on?" 542 00:26:57,983 --> 00:27:00,428 So he came back and asked for tortillas. 543 00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:02,363 So the next morning at 9am, 544 00:27:02,387 --> 00:27:04,131 he's asking me for bread 545 00:27:04,155 --> 00:27:05,566 and I said, well, I don't eat bread 546 00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:07,768 but I have tortillas. 547 00:27:07,792 --> 00:27:09,971 And he goes, "Yeah, okay." 548 00:27:09,995 --> 00:27:13,874 So I went out to the garage and I gave him a huge Costco pack of them. 549 00:27:13,898 --> 00:27:16,210 And then he left. 550 00:27:16,234 --> 00:27:18,145 Well then he came back, 551 00:27:18,169 --> 00:27:20,147 you know, and each day it was, you know, 552 00:27:20,171 --> 00:27:22,249 it went from once a day, twice a day, 553 00:27:22,273 --> 00:27:24,885 three times a day, as late as 11 o clock at night 554 00:27:24,909 --> 00:27:28,756 he was showing up and he started asking for more staples, 555 00:27:28,780 --> 00:27:30,558 like peanut butter and, 556 00:27:30,582 --> 00:27:32,927 um, at one point he literally said, 557 00:27:32,951 --> 00:27:35,329 I need non-perishables. 558 00:27:35,353 --> 00:27:37,798 I need that can't be, you know, that aren't frozen 559 00:27:37,822 --> 00:27:39,233 or don't need refrigeration, 560 00:27:39,257 --> 00:27:40,768 like uncured meats 561 00:27:40,792 --> 00:27:42,470 and tortillas and peanut butter, 562 00:27:42,494 --> 00:27:43,938 and I need six of them. 563 00:27:43,962 --> 00:27:45,640 So I am thinking, "Oh, my God." 564 00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:47,141 You know, "It's six kids..." 565 00:27:47,165 --> 00:27:50,978 and so I... I wanted to earn his trust, 566 00:27:51,002 --> 00:27:53,114 so then I started asking him, "What's going on?" 567 00:27:53,138 --> 00:27:55,750 You know, "You're starting to scare me, this is not normal." 568 00:27:55,774 --> 00:27:58,419 and he said, "Well... 569 00:27:58,443 --> 00:28:01,422 we're teenagers and we do bad things sometimes" 570 00:28:01,446 --> 00:28:02,757 and he kinda shrugged his shoulders 571 00:28:02,781 --> 00:28:04,492 and he laughed and he said, 572 00:28:04,516 --> 00:28:05,960 "You know, so we get punished", 573 00:28:05,984 --> 00:28:08,963 and I'm like, "No, what do you mean punished?" 574 00:28:08,987 --> 00:28:12,433 And then he goes, she used to not feed us a meal 575 00:28:12,457 --> 00:28:16,103 but now it's going into days at a time. 576 00:28:16,127 --> 00:28:20,941 And I'm like, there's nothing a kid can do wrong enough to not be fed. 577 00:28:20,965 --> 00:28:23,778 And so, he's like, "Don't tell Mom, don't tell Mom." 578 00:28:23,802 --> 00:28:26,647 You know, that's how he would leave it every time. 579 00:28:26,671 --> 00:28:30,151 So I said, "Okay, well, who's Mom? You have two moms. 580 00:28:30,175 --> 00:28:31,652 Who are we talking about? 581 00:28:31,676 --> 00:28:34,188 And he said, "No, it's Mom and Sarah". 582 00:28:34,212 --> 00:28:35,956 And then he, 583 00:28:35,980 --> 00:28:37,658 as the week went on, he told us that 584 00:28:37,682 --> 00:28:41,062 they were abusing him as well as not feeding them, 585 00:28:41,086 --> 00:28:44,231 and that Sarah didn't, used to go along with it, 586 00:28:44,255 --> 00:28:46,067 but she was tolerating it now. 587 00:28:46,091 --> 00:28:49,303 It is highly controlling to an unusual degree 588 00:28:49,327 --> 00:28:52,206 to withhold food from your children on a regular basis 589 00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:53,974 to sculpt their behaviors, 590 00:28:53,998 --> 00:28:57,511 you know, Where The Wild Things Are, where Max doesn't get his supper 591 00:28:57,535 --> 00:28:59,914 because he was being, causing a ruckus. 592 00:28:59,938 --> 00:29:02,249 You know, where you don't give a kid dinner for a few hours 593 00:29:02,273 --> 00:29:05,886 but to actually withhold food to the point where they seem like 594 00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:08,689 they would be in medical definitions of being malnourished, 595 00:29:08,713 --> 00:29:10,491 that's obviously very extreme. 596 00:29:10,515 --> 00:29:13,861 So the next morning, he came over at like 9:00 in the morning. 597 00:29:13,885 --> 00:29:15,563 [SNIFFLES] And he said, "Have you been to the store yet?" 598 00:29:15,587 --> 00:29:18,232 And I said, you know, "No, not yet." 599 00:29:18,256 --> 00:29:21,826 And he goes, "I need you to go right away." 600 00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,906 And I said, "Okay." 601 00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:27,875 And I told him I was calling CPS, 602 00:29:27,899 --> 00:29:29,744 which, as soon as he left, I called them. 603 00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:32,012 I didn't see any obvious signs 604 00:29:32,036 --> 00:29:34,615 and you know, I... 605 00:29:34,639 --> 00:29:37,418 I guess, you know, I don't know what to look for. 606 00:29:37,442 --> 00:29:40,588 I know what signs to look for if your kid gets abused, 607 00:29:40,612 --> 00:29:43,023 you own kid, and how their behavior changes, 608 00:29:43,047 --> 00:29:46,761 but you know, I don't really know how to see that in others. 609 00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,630 He did actually use the word "abuse" 610 00:29:49,654 --> 00:29:51,365 and then he to... [STUTTERS] 611 00:29:51,389 --> 00:29:53,134 then he told me, um... 612 00:29:53,158 --> 00:29:55,360 Ah, sorry, this makes me cry... 613 00:30:02,801 --> 00:30:04,335 [SNIFFLING] 614 00:30:06,671 --> 00:30:08,149 He told me that... 615 00:30:08,173 --> 00:30:09,574 I'm sorry. 616 00:30:12,010 --> 00:30:14,479 He said on Thursday night that... 617 00:30:15,613 --> 00:30:18,492 [EXHALING] 618 00:30:18,516 --> 00:30:21,553 everything Hannah had told us was true. 619 00:30:22,787 --> 00:30:25,156 It just broke my heart. 620 00:30:29,327 --> 00:30:32,106 So, you know, 'cause Hannah had told us 621 00:30:32,130 --> 00:30:34,699 they were abusing her, whipping her with a belt... 622 00:30:37,001 --> 00:30:39,246 When he told me that, I was just like, 623 00:30:39,270 --> 00:30:41,206 Oh, my God! 624 00:30:44,042 --> 00:30:47,454 BRITTINI: No one besides that family knows 625 00:30:47,478 --> 00:30:49,514 exactly what happened in that house. 626 00:30:50,715 --> 00:30:53,527 We all know them from outside the house 627 00:30:53,551 --> 00:30:55,196 you know, we know them from the gaming world, 628 00:30:55,220 --> 00:30:57,798 we know them from past work experience with them, 629 00:30:57,822 --> 00:31:01,202 we don't know what happened behind those closed doors. 630 00:31:01,226 --> 00:31:03,428 We just know what they wanted us to see. 631 00:31:04,863 --> 00:31:07,641 OCTAVIO: All the people that knew Jennifer and Sarah 632 00:31:07,665 --> 00:31:09,610 through these kind of online contacts 633 00:31:09,634 --> 00:31:11,779 were these very brief encounters at festivals, 634 00:31:11,803 --> 00:31:13,447 they obviously were not in a position 635 00:31:13,471 --> 00:31:15,473 to really know what was actually happening. 636 00:31:16,541 --> 00:31:18,719 Jen and Sarah lived the kind of lives 637 00:31:18,743 --> 00:31:22,547 that made it easy for them to hide their behaviors inside the house. 638 00:31:34,158 --> 00:31:38,639 In the early morning hours, I believe it was just prior to 3am, 639 00:31:38,663 --> 00:31:41,141 Sarah began texting three of her co-workers. 640 00:31:41,165 --> 00:31:42,543 One of those texts to the friend was, 641 00:31:42,567 --> 00:31:44,411 "Hey, I need you to open the store, I'm sick." 642 00:31:44,435 --> 00:31:47,748 Some of the others were indicating that she needed to go to the hospital. 643 00:31:47,772 --> 00:31:50,417 Jen was, you know, gaming at least 644 00:31:50,441 --> 00:31:54,488 an hour or two a day, on average. 645 00:31:54,512 --> 00:31:57,858 So when she didn't respond to us 646 00:31:57,882 --> 00:31:59,760 within a 24-hour period 647 00:31:59,784 --> 00:32:01,729 you know, we got worried. 648 00:32:01,753 --> 00:32:04,732 But then she said that she had a family emergency 649 00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:07,668 and asked one of us to take over. 650 00:32:07,692 --> 00:32:14,275 And then her actual last three letters she typed were FML. 651 00:32:14,299 --> 00:32:17,835 FML means "fuck my life." 652 00:32:21,306 --> 00:32:23,107 She disappeared. 653 00:32:24,309 --> 00:32:27,454 The last thing that she wrote to me was, 654 00:32:27,478 --> 00:32:30,291 "I am trying so hard to take my own advice today 655 00:32:30,315 --> 00:32:33,360 trying to look into the eyes of my wife and children 656 00:32:33,384 --> 00:32:37,097 and tell them I'm never gonna give up on them. 657 00:32:37,121 --> 00:32:39,800 I am trying to remind myself of all the good in the world, 658 00:32:39,824 --> 00:32:43,103 trying to believe that everything I've fought for my entire life 659 00:32:43,127 --> 00:32:47,241 didn't just get buried in a pile of hate-filled ignorance. 660 00:32:47,265 --> 00:32:50,311 Trying to allow myself to feel all the fucked-up feelings 661 00:32:50,335 --> 00:32:52,046 that are circling through my weary body, 662 00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:53,714 because it's okay to feel rage, 663 00:32:53,738 --> 00:32:55,883 disgust and deep sadness. 664 00:32:55,907 --> 00:32:58,819 And it's okay to be fueled a vast array of emotions 665 00:32:58,843 --> 00:33:00,754 and not just love. 666 00:33:00,778 --> 00:33:03,858 And now I need to breathe and figure out how to act and that's the hard part." 667 00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:10,998 MALE REPORTER: Neighbors last reported seeing the Harts at their home 668 00:33:11,022 --> 00:33:12,766 on Friday, March 23rd. 669 00:33:12,790 --> 00:33:14,401 So, exhibit 10 is 670 00:33:14,425 --> 00:33:17,004 the actual GPS points that we were able to download 671 00:33:17,028 --> 00:33:19,840 and put into Google Earth Pro software. 672 00:33:19,864 --> 00:33:22,176 And what this is is an overview 673 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,311 from the Harts' home in Woodland, Washington, 674 00:33:24,335 --> 00:33:26,246 all the way down to Fort Bragg. 675 00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:29,683 Once they left their house, every place that we were able to track them to, 676 00:33:29,707 --> 00:33:31,518 they always used cash. 677 00:33:31,542 --> 00:33:33,854 The first digital evidence that we came across 678 00:33:33,878 --> 00:33:36,347 that they were using was a Safeway Club Card. 679 00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:41,428 WOMAN ON RADIO: There's an overturned vehicle, 11:24 680 00:33:41,452 --> 00:33:44,622 unknown if it's just occurred or it's been there... 681 00:33:45,289 --> 00:33:47,101 March 26th, 682 00:33:47,125 --> 00:33:51,038 um, I actually heard the call come out over the radio. 683 00:33:51,062 --> 00:33:54,141 But at that time we thought it was a fatal collision scene. 684 00:33:54,165 --> 00:33:56,043 The cause of the crash remains a mystery right now, 685 00:33:56,067 --> 00:33:59,037 investigators have said the weather was clear at the time. 686 00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:10,357 FEMALE REPORTER: Authorities say Jennifer and Sarah Hart 687 00:34:10,381 --> 00:34:11,725 along with their six children 688 00:34:11,749 --> 00:34:13,961 died when it plunged off a cliff 689 00:34:13,985 --> 00:34:17,221 along Northern California's Pacific Coast Highway. 690 00:34:18,723 --> 00:34:21,001 We have the vehicle going from 34% throttle 691 00:34:21,025 --> 00:34:22,970 to 100% throttle. 692 00:34:22,994 --> 00:34:25,630 And there's no subsequent application of the brake. 693 00:34:26,597 --> 00:34:28,308 Once we get to Sarah's phone, 694 00:34:28,332 --> 00:34:30,310 one of the last searches that she did 695 00:34:30,334 --> 00:34:32,146 was while they were traveling through Oregon, 696 00:34:32,170 --> 00:34:34,748 "Is death by drowning relatively painless?" 697 00:34:34,772 --> 00:34:36,984 "How long does it take to die from hypothermia 698 00:34:37,008 --> 00:34:39,086 in water while drowning in a car?" 699 00:34:39,110 --> 00:34:42,256 "What will happen when overdosing with benadryl?" 700 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,690 Some of the witnesses stated that 701 00:34:43,714 --> 00:34:45,826 they would typically give the children benadryl 702 00:34:45,850 --> 00:34:47,227 on long drives, 703 00:34:47,251 --> 00:34:49,063 that they know the effects of benadryl, 704 00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:50,497 and what it does to the children. 705 00:34:50,521 --> 00:34:53,067 They exceeded the normal therapeutic dosages. 706 00:34:53,091 --> 00:34:54,835 The children were more than likely 707 00:34:54,859 --> 00:34:57,271 um, unconscious or asleep at that point. 708 00:34:57,295 --> 00:35:00,441 The death certificates for Jennifer and Sarah Hart 709 00:35:00,465 --> 00:35:03,410 will be listed as suicide. 710 00:35:03,434 --> 00:35:06,547 And the six children who perished on that day, 711 00:35:06,571 --> 00:35:09,616 their death certainly, as the jury ruled, 712 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,920 was determined to be at the hands of another other by accident 713 00:35:12,944 --> 00:35:16,023 and their death certificates will list homicide 714 00:35:16,047 --> 00:35:17,615 as the manner of death. 715 00:35:20,985 --> 00:35:22,563 They didn't want to tell me nothing, 716 00:35:22,587 --> 00:35:26,200 'cause I might flip out, in the place I was. 717 00:35:26,224 --> 00:35:28,893 So, now that I found out, you know, 718 00:35:29,961 --> 00:35:31,805 I'm really kind of hurt, 719 00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:33,498 but then again, 720 00:35:34,165 --> 00:35:36,376 I can't bring them back. 721 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,369 So, crying ain't gonna bring them back. 722 00:35:39,103 --> 00:35:40,238 So... 723 00:35:42,073 --> 00:35:43,641 I'll take care of my son. 724 00:35:47,612 --> 00:35:49,380 Be a better father to him. 725 00:35:53,184 --> 00:35:55,095 Within an hour of finding out, 726 00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:56,430 I was sitting in my desk 727 00:35:56,454 --> 00:35:58,132 and I was just sobbing. 728 00:35:58,156 --> 00:36:01,668 I couldn't even wrap my head around it. 729 00:36:01,692 --> 00:36:04,095 I didn't know any of the details yet. I just... 730 00:36:04,862 --> 00:36:06,473 All I knew was that 731 00:36:06,497 --> 00:36:09,943 the Harts, the entire Hart tribe, was gone. 732 00:36:09,967 --> 00:36:13,871 But, at the same time, this just like piercing grief of like... 733 00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:17,341 thinking about all of those children. 734 00:36:19,043 --> 00:36:20,854 When the news broke, I... 735 00:36:20,878 --> 00:36:22,256 Gut told me it was them. 736 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,357 I just knew it was them. 737 00:36:23,381 --> 00:36:26,517 But, then the next morning, 738 00:36:27,552 --> 00:36:28,862 Tuesday morning, 739 00:36:28,886 --> 00:36:31,331 like at 7:00 in the morning, our phone rings, 740 00:36:31,355 --> 00:36:33,834 and a reporter had called and said, 741 00:36:33,858 --> 00:36:36,203 "Your neighbors have been identified 742 00:36:36,227 --> 00:36:38,672 as being the people in the crash." 743 00:36:38,696 --> 00:36:40,140 Which we didn't answer the phone. 744 00:36:40,164 --> 00:36:41,508 He left us a message 745 00:36:41,532 --> 00:36:42,943 and wanted us to call back. 746 00:36:42,967 --> 00:36:44,278 But I was like, "Wow." 747 00:36:44,302 --> 00:36:46,571 I don't know what happened. 748 00:36:47,905 --> 00:36:50,517 The evidence overwhelmingly suggests 749 00:36:50,541 --> 00:36:52,152 that last moment was intentional. 750 00:36:52,176 --> 00:36:54,946 Um, which is, given the... 751 00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:58,625 undeniable... 752 00:36:58,649 --> 00:37:03,997 and overwhelming beauty of that family of children, 753 00:37:04,021 --> 00:37:06,557 that decision is um... 754 00:37:07,491 --> 00:37:08,626 impossible. 755 00:37:09,660 --> 00:37:11,305 I just love them still. 756 00:37:11,329 --> 00:37:12,329 You know. 757 00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:14,030 If I... 758 00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:19,146 I just... I know it sounds really weird and fucked up to say, 759 00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:21,572 but I would be like, "I have your back," you know. [SNIFFS] 760 00:37:22,173 --> 00:37:23,717 And I know that 761 00:37:23,741 --> 00:37:26,061 that's the part that nobody wants to hear, but it's like... 762 00:37:27,044 --> 00:37:29,389 I just feel like I can feel their pain 763 00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:30,358 that they were in. 764 00:37:30,382 --> 00:37:32,893 And I feel so sad 765 00:37:32,917 --> 00:37:34,728 that somewhere along the line, 766 00:37:34,752 --> 00:37:36,997 someone missed something or we just let them down. 767 00:37:37,021 --> 00:37:38,756 And so, I would just let them know, like... 768 00:37:40,091 --> 00:37:42,402 yeah, I have their back and... 769 00:37:42,426 --> 00:37:44,438 And if they were here, I would listen to their story, 770 00:37:44,462 --> 00:37:47,074 and if we could do it all over again, I just would've helped 'em. 771 00:37:47,098 --> 00:37:50,534 [VOICE SHAKING] I, unfortunately, think something horrible happened to 'em... 772 00:37:51,802 --> 00:37:54,105 first, and that's why they left. 773 00:37:55,473 --> 00:37:57,451 CHRISTOPHER: I don't know what the internal turmoil was, 774 00:37:57,475 --> 00:38:00,711 and desperation in different ways, and... 775 00:38:03,314 --> 00:38:05,092 I don't know. I guess... 776 00:38:05,116 --> 00:38:08,152 things can get hard, and desperate, and people make... 777 00:38:09,220 --> 00:38:10,220 people make... 778 00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:13,891 extreme, rash decisions. And... 779 00:38:15,993 --> 00:38:18,071 I don't... I do not understand it. 780 00:38:18,095 --> 00:38:19,664 There's no understanding it. I don't... 781 00:38:22,099 --> 00:38:26,146 JAKE: It was extremely comprehensive, large case. 782 00:38:26,170 --> 00:38:28,615 It involved 11 different agencies 783 00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:30,384 from across the nation. 784 00:38:30,408 --> 00:38:34,321 It involved ten departments within the California Highway Patrol. 785 00:38:34,345 --> 00:38:35,555 They would include, 786 00:38:35,579 --> 00:38:38,258 our Investigative Services department. 787 00:38:38,282 --> 00:38:40,661 Our Computer Crime Lab also assisted, 788 00:38:40,685 --> 00:38:43,630 in the determination and downloads of cellphones. 789 00:38:43,654 --> 00:38:46,266 We reached out to several allied agencies, 790 00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:48,468 like the Sacramento High Tech Crime Unit, 791 00:38:48,492 --> 00:38:49,836 the FBI, 792 00:38:49,860 --> 00:38:51,605 Mendocino County Sheriff's office, 793 00:38:51,629 --> 00:38:53,273 Clark County Sheriff's Office. 794 00:38:53,297 --> 00:38:55,309 We've reached out as far as 795 00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:57,444 the Saint Paul, Minnesota, Police Department, 796 00:38:57,468 --> 00:38:59,112 to help us in tracking down a cell phone 797 00:38:59,136 --> 00:39:01,448 that we were actively trying to pin down. 798 00:39:01,472 --> 00:39:03,517 Our case even took us up to the point 799 00:39:03,541 --> 00:39:05,085 of interviewing witnesses 800 00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:07,020 outside of home, or Alaska. 801 00:39:07,044 --> 00:39:08,922 By no means 802 00:39:08,946 --> 00:39:11,591 was this a case that we took lightly. 803 00:39:11,615 --> 00:39:12,883 [SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING] 804 00:39:15,686 --> 00:39:17,297 SHONDA: It's very touching... 805 00:39:17,321 --> 00:39:19,433 [SIGHS] I'm sorry. 806 00:39:19,457 --> 00:39:22,669 And the reason why it's touching, is because... 807 00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:25,262 it just seems like the children from... 808 00:39:26,464 --> 00:39:27,607 kind of like, from the beginning, 809 00:39:27,631 --> 00:39:29,509 didn't stand a chance, really. 810 00:39:29,533 --> 00:39:31,044 Because, like... [CHUCKLES] I'm sorry. 811 00:39:31,068 --> 00:39:33,513 Because both parents, like I said... 812 00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:35,873 [VOICE SHAKING] they had their issues. 813 00:39:36,841 --> 00:39:39,577 I used to pray every night. 814 00:39:40,745 --> 00:39:42,823 Like, you know, how you pray for somethin' 815 00:39:42,847 --> 00:39:45,216 and it don't happen, so you start to believe... 816 00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:49,553 "Where's god? Who is god?" You know. 817 00:39:51,021 --> 00:39:53,567 I wasn't really the prayer type. 818 00:39:53,591 --> 00:39:54,735 When I was young, 819 00:39:54,759 --> 00:39:56,460 I used to pray to put us to sleep. 820 00:39:57,328 --> 00:39:58,396 You know, and... 821 00:39:59,730 --> 00:40:01,708 hoping something good would happen 822 00:40:01,732 --> 00:40:03,134 later on in the future. 823 00:40:03,868 --> 00:40:05,245 It did, but... 824 00:40:05,269 --> 00:40:07,071 then tragedy happened again. 825 00:40:09,340 --> 00:40:12,085 JAKE: While driving around on the Mendocino coast, 826 00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:15,756 they both decided that this was going to be the end. 827 00:40:15,780 --> 00:40:19,659 That based on talking with all their friends and witnesses, 828 00:40:19,683 --> 00:40:23,330 that if they can't have their kids, 829 00:40:23,354 --> 00:40:25,489 that nobody was gonna have those kids. 830 00:40:26,690 --> 00:40:27,834 The teachers knew, 831 00:40:27,858 --> 00:40:29,202 the neighbors knew, 832 00:40:29,226 --> 00:40:31,271 and now the children are dead. 833 00:40:31,295 --> 00:40:35,075 There was all this hate, and it was so immense. 834 00:40:35,099 --> 00:40:37,277 I mean, there were these threads upon threads 835 00:40:37,301 --> 00:40:39,045 of people who had never met them, 836 00:40:39,069 --> 00:40:42,082 who were talking about how viciously disgusting they were. 837 00:40:42,106 --> 00:40:43,717 I mean, I had people who were like, 838 00:40:43,741 --> 00:40:45,352 "Eat glass and die." 839 00:40:45,376 --> 00:40:48,088 All I was trying to do was protect my friends, 840 00:40:48,112 --> 00:40:49,589 but that wasn't happening. 841 00:40:49,613 --> 00:40:51,057 There was all this like, 842 00:40:51,081 --> 00:40:52,592 we're afraid to talk about it. 843 00:40:52,616 --> 00:40:55,462 We're afraid to... say how we feel, 844 00:40:55,486 --> 00:40:57,397 because we are just immediately attacked. 845 00:40:57,421 --> 00:41:00,634 One of Jennifer's closest friends is speaking out for the first time 846 00:41:00,658 --> 00:41:01,868 to our Gabrielle Karol, 847 00:41:01,892 --> 00:41:04,037 to help answer the question, 848 00:41:04,061 --> 00:41:05,739 "Who was Jennifer Hart? 849 00:41:05,763 --> 00:41:06,907 What do we know about her?" 850 00:41:06,931 --> 00:41:09,242 We weren't duped. That love wasn't fake. 851 00:41:09,266 --> 00:41:10,277 They loved their children. 852 00:41:10,301 --> 00:41:11,778 They weren't white supremacists. 853 00:41:11,802 --> 00:41:15,582 They... they just were isolated. 854 00:41:15,606 --> 00:41:16,883 They were in pain. 855 00:41:16,907 --> 00:41:19,319 It's certainly not the fault of the, you know, 856 00:41:19,343 --> 00:41:20,654 of an online game player, 857 00:41:20,678 --> 00:41:22,556 or a festival musician 858 00:41:22,580 --> 00:41:24,758 who knew their kids for a couple of days 859 00:41:24,782 --> 00:41:26,927 to determine whether they're 860 00:41:26,951 --> 00:41:29,229 secretly abusing their kids inside. 861 00:41:29,253 --> 00:41:30,253 [VOICE SHAKING] Myself... 862 00:41:31,288 --> 00:41:33,190 and everyone else who... 863 00:41:35,593 --> 00:41:38,929 shared our love publicly... 864 00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:48,748 we've been judged as though 865 00:41:48,772 --> 00:41:50,083 there was some precedent 866 00:41:50,107 --> 00:41:52,276 by which we were supposed to behave. 867 00:41:53,544 --> 00:41:54,945 That there was some... 868 00:41:55,946 --> 00:41:57,357 better way to do it, 869 00:41:57,381 --> 00:42:00,050 some right way that... 870 00:42:01,552 --> 00:42:04,297 You know, I realized, really quickly, 871 00:42:04,321 --> 00:42:06,624 that no matter what I said or didn't say... 872 00:42:08,492 --> 00:42:12,506 there was no way I was coming through this unscathed. 873 00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:14,441 We've had friends basically tell us that 874 00:42:14,465 --> 00:42:15,876 they can't even associate with us 875 00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:17,711 because we defend the Hart family. 876 00:42:17,735 --> 00:42:20,604 If our current dialog is so extremist, and... 877 00:42:21,405 --> 00:42:23,316 and violent, 878 00:42:23,340 --> 00:42:25,285 that we can't even make space for that, 879 00:42:25,309 --> 00:42:27,020 we're really... 880 00:42:27,044 --> 00:42:28,889 We've lost our way completely. 881 00:42:28,913 --> 00:42:30,648 Festival friends of mine... 882 00:42:31,815 --> 00:42:34,895 um, so they were very accusatory 883 00:42:34,919 --> 00:42:37,364 in saying that we were completely off-base, 884 00:42:37,388 --> 00:42:39,232 and that we should've minded our own business. 885 00:42:39,256 --> 00:42:41,835 They called us all kinds of names. 886 00:42:41,859 --> 00:42:45,896 Being nosy neighbors. I was racist. 887 00:42:48,432 --> 00:42:49,876 ZIPPORAH: One of our friends said, 888 00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:52,212 "Forgive me for not... 889 00:42:52,236 --> 00:42:54,738 assuming my friends were murderers." 890 00:42:56,373 --> 00:42:59,920 Again, everyone being so angry at us for speaking up. 891 00:42:59,944 --> 00:43:02,255 I wanna say like... 892 00:43:02,279 --> 00:43:05,115 Imagine. Try to put yourself where we are. 893 00:43:05,950 --> 00:43:08,161 Ideologues scare me, you know. 894 00:43:08,185 --> 00:43:11,765 Ideologues scare me because in the pursuit of that perfect, pure vision, 895 00:43:11,789 --> 00:43:13,266 they can be so extreme 896 00:43:13,290 --> 00:43:17,070 that they ignore all sense, all common sense and precaution. 897 00:43:17,094 --> 00:43:19,105 People would attack. 898 00:43:19,129 --> 00:43:22,709 [VOICE SHAKING] And at one point I even told 'em, 899 00:43:22,733 --> 00:43:28,439 "It's easy for you people to sit here and accuse me, or... 900 00:43:30,574 --> 00:43:33,787 say that I should have... 901 00:43:33,811 --> 00:43:36,690 But, until you've walked in my shoes, 902 00:43:36,714 --> 00:43:38,758 until you know who I am, 903 00:43:38,782 --> 00:43:40,560 you can't really... 904 00:43:40,584 --> 00:43:42,429 It's not fair to say." 905 00:43:42,453 --> 00:43:44,931 There's no evidence that they're racist. 906 00:43:44,955 --> 00:43:48,735 And I don't see why, um... 907 00:43:48,759 --> 00:43:50,637 the number of stories why they would, 908 00:43:50,661 --> 00:43:52,272 you know, make that up. 909 00:43:52,296 --> 00:43:54,975 They might not have interpreted everything that happened, 910 00:43:54,999 --> 00:43:56,610 exactly what was going on, 911 00:43:56,634 --> 00:44:00,814 but they're certainly not just fantasizing about that. 912 00:44:00,838 --> 00:44:02,248 I think there was a huge tragedy. 913 00:44:02,272 --> 00:44:03,483 I think... I think all these... 914 00:44:03,507 --> 00:44:05,619 In the very beginning, there was a huge anger 915 00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:08,121 that I did feel, though, with the social media. 916 00:44:08,145 --> 00:44:10,423 There was a lot of Black Lives Matter pages 917 00:44:10,447 --> 00:44:12,425 taking arms and being like, 918 00:44:12,449 --> 00:44:13,660 [IN HIGH-PITCHED VOICE] "Told you so. 919 00:44:13,684 --> 00:44:15,128 These white crackers should never adopt us." 920 00:44:15,152 --> 00:44:17,497 And I was like, hold on. 921 00:44:17,521 --> 00:44:18,432 You know what I mean? 922 00:44:18,456 --> 00:44:19,666 You can think whatever you want, 923 00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:21,568 but to exploit the tragedy of these children 924 00:44:21,592 --> 00:44:26,139 to try and further your agenda on this just... 925 00:44:26,163 --> 00:44:28,642 really just frankly disgusting platform, 926 00:44:28,666 --> 00:44:30,243 which is Instagram, 927 00:44:30,267 --> 00:44:31,678 you know what I mean, or Twitter, 928 00:44:31,702 --> 00:44:34,581 I just felt like it was, you know, 929 00:44:34,605 --> 00:44:36,316 hashtag too soon, social media. 930 00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:39,853 And really just callous, and... 931 00:44:39,877 --> 00:44:41,521 just such propaganda. 932 00:44:41,545 --> 00:44:44,624 They were put under a microscope in a way that 933 00:44:44,648 --> 00:44:47,418 I don't think anyone deserves to be put under. 934 00:44:48,218 --> 00:44:49,720 I imagine that... 935 00:44:51,288 --> 00:44:55,201 Jen must've got to a point where she just 936 00:44:55,225 --> 00:44:58,304 degenerated to, I guess, some kind of insanity. 937 00:44:58,328 --> 00:45:01,675 Um, you know, exactly how and when that happened, 938 00:45:01,699 --> 00:45:03,543 and to what... I don't know. 939 00:45:03,567 --> 00:45:06,646 But, I can't imagine getting to the point where 940 00:45:06,670 --> 00:45:09,683 I mean, if you wanna kill yourself, that's one thing. 941 00:45:09,707 --> 00:45:12,285 But, I don't see why you'd need to 942 00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:13,820 take anyone else with you. 943 00:45:13,844 --> 00:45:15,221 This road trip down to California 944 00:45:15,245 --> 00:45:17,691 was quite impulsive and unplanned. 945 00:45:17,715 --> 00:45:19,526 It might be interpreted as 946 00:45:19,550 --> 00:45:21,728 kind of running away from Child Protective Services 947 00:45:21,752 --> 00:45:24,731 who were kind of wrapping up their investigation. 948 00:45:24,755 --> 00:45:26,366 So, this might be a woman who feels like, 949 00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:29,536 "You know what, I'm about to be found out by the world. 950 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,838 I've had this perfectly curated image. 951 00:45:31,862 --> 00:45:33,707 I spent so much of my time 952 00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:35,809 blogging about and posting pictures about, 953 00:45:35,833 --> 00:45:40,080 and presenting this particular image to the world. 954 00:45:40,104 --> 00:45:42,982 And now that's in danger of crumbling." 955 00:45:43,006 --> 00:45:45,018 So, I'm not saying that's what happened, 956 00:45:45,042 --> 00:45:47,220 but that is a very plausible story to me. 957 00:45:47,244 --> 00:45:49,155 That someone feeling, like, a bit desperate, 958 00:45:49,179 --> 00:45:50,356 their mask is gonna be ripped off, 959 00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:51,591 and they'd rather die, frankly, 960 00:45:51,615 --> 00:45:53,927 than to be revealed in front of everyone 961 00:45:53,951 --> 00:45:54,951 about what they are. 962 00:45:57,421 --> 00:46:00,100 Ultimately, I feel that, 963 00:46:00,124 --> 00:46:04,170 based on Sarah and Jennifer's past history, 964 00:46:04,194 --> 00:46:08,374 the pattern that we see of the alleged child abuse, 965 00:46:08,398 --> 00:46:12,545 and confrontations that they may have received out of the community, 966 00:46:12,569 --> 00:46:14,714 that this was just another case 967 00:46:14,738 --> 00:46:16,883 where they would run. 968 00:46:16,907 --> 00:46:18,451 By the system being broken, 969 00:46:18,475 --> 00:46:21,888 it enabled them to just keep hiding. 970 00:46:21,912 --> 00:46:25,892 Um, you know, when you have allegations against you 971 00:46:25,916 --> 00:46:29,295 in Minnesota, multiple times, 972 00:46:29,319 --> 00:46:32,265 and then allowed to adopt children 973 00:46:32,289 --> 00:46:34,968 even after the first allegations, 974 00:46:34,992 --> 00:46:36,803 seems insane to me. 975 00:46:36,827 --> 00:46:40,406 But then, to be able to move to Oregon, 976 00:46:40,430 --> 00:46:42,876 have allegations against you there, 977 00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:44,878 and talk your way through that. 978 00:46:44,902 --> 00:46:46,880 Then to move to Washington, 979 00:46:46,904 --> 00:46:48,982 they get a report, 980 00:46:49,006 --> 00:46:51,651 but none of the agencies connect. 981 00:46:51,675 --> 00:46:58,091 So, it just allowed them to keep hiding their abuse, 982 00:46:58,115 --> 00:47:01,427 and no one be able to connect the dots. 983 00:47:01,451 --> 00:47:04,798 And once the dots got connected, we still ignored them. 984 00:47:04,822 --> 00:47:07,767 I believe that they left their house 985 00:47:07,791 --> 00:47:09,903 not knowing exactly what they're gonna do, 986 00:47:09,927 --> 00:47:12,472 and that they left in a very hasty manner. 987 00:47:12,496 --> 00:47:14,574 Example of being, knocking over those blocks, 988 00:47:14,598 --> 00:47:16,242 forgetting the luggage, 989 00:47:16,266 --> 00:47:17,944 not taking toothbrushes. 990 00:47:17,968 --> 00:47:20,980 I feel that they didn't know what they were doing. 991 00:47:21,004 --> 00:47:22,916 Even though we know Sarah's phone was 992 00:47:22,940 --> 00:47:26,085 searching those types of question about death, 993 00:47:26,109 --> 00:47:31,191 and suicide, and how drowning can be painful, 994 00:47:31,215 --> 00:47:34,527 I don't believe that they were committed to that at that point. 995 00:47:34,551 --> 00:47:37,530 I think their ultimate goal was to get to Mendocino County. 996 00:47:37,554 --> 00:47:39,666 And once they got here, 997 00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:43,636 paying for cash along the way for gas, and items, and stuff that they'd received, 998 00:47:43,660 --> 00:47:45,839 I still don't believe that, 999 00:47:45,863 --> 00:47:47,974 even based on video footage 1000 00:47:47,998 --> 00:47:49,976 and items that they bought 1001 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,544 while at the Dollar General, 1002 00:47:51,568 --> 00:47:53,880 I don't believe they committed at that point. 1003 00:47:53,904 --> 00:47:55,448 But, sometime after that, 1004 00:47:55,472 --> 00:47:58,017 while driving around on the Mendocino Coast, 1005 00:47:58,041 --> 00:48:01,521 they both decided that this was going to be the end. 1006 00:48:01,545 --> 00:48:03,990 I'm really grateful for 1007 00:48:04,014 --> 00:48:06,893 the law enforcement taking their time to... 1008 00:48:06,917 --> 00:48:09,229 to come to this result in this way, 1009 00:48:09,253 --> 00:48:12,756 where it was decided by a jury, so that there was no... 1010 00:48:14,224 --> 00:48:15,969 real option for doubt. 1011 00:48:15,993 --> 00:48:20,130 And, although the conclusion is 1012 00:48:20,764 --> 00:48:22,742 the worst possible case, 1013 00:48:22,766 --> 00:48:25,102 at least we know what happened, 1014 00:48:26,837 --> 00:48:28,772 so we can stop arguing about it. 1015 00:48:30,374 --> 00:48:33,353 People need to be honest about their pain, 1016 00:48:33,377 --> 00:48:35,021 and like let it out. 1017 00:48:35,045 --> 00:48:40,693 And, I feel like maybe they lived in this silo of positivity. 1018 00:48:40,717 --> 00:48:42,695 So, it was really hard to reach out for help. 1019 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:43,897 And it makes you feel bad. 1020 00:48:43,921 --> 00:48:45,031 Quit looking at it. 1021 00:48:45,055 --> 00:48:47,700 Because, people only post perfect things. 1022 00:48:47,724 --> 00:48:50,870 They're not posting when they're sitting home bored like you. 1023 00:48:50,894 --> 00:48:53,606 You know, and that's how I feel like social media is... 1024 00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:56,943 It's crippling people. 1025 00:48:56,967 --> 00:49:00,446 We're losing our social connection, 1026 00:49:00,470 --> 00:49:03,383 our innate need to be connected. 1027 00:49:03,407 --> 00:49:07,253 Um, and portraying life to be better, 1028 00:49:07,277 --> 00:49:10,056 which I think, actually, is just adding to depression. 1029 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,891 I'm talking in psychological terms now, 1030 00:49:11,915 --> 00:49:13,393 not necessarily psychiatric terms. 1031 00:49:13,417 --> 00:49:15,094 And this goes back to Freud, 1032 00:49:15,118 --> 00:49:18,197 but the more you push away the dark side and compartmentalize, 1033 00:49:18,221 --> 00:49:20,566 the those compartments can grow independently, 1034 00:49:20,590 --> 00:49:22,235 and become monsters. 1035 00:49:22,259 --> 00:49:24,804 The goal of a successful psychotherapy 1036 00:49:24,828 --> 00:49:27,206 is to integrate all the different parts of your personality 1037 00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:28,608 into one coherent whole, 1038 00:49:28,632 --> 00:49:31,744 that could all peacefully co-exist with one another. 1039 00:49:31,768 --> 00:49:37,116 I think that Jen felt a... 1040 00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:40,887 loss of whatever control she imagined she had, 1041 00:49:40,911 --> 00:49:43,489 or tried to maintain. 1042 00:49:43,513 --> 00:49:45,725 Um, in a misguided... 1043 00:49:45,749 --> 00:49:48,561 In a misguided attempt to protect the family, 1044 00:49:48,585 --> 00:49:51,588 I think she was trying to be too controlling. 1045 00:49:52,456 --> 00:49:56,002 And, I feel like she 1046 00:49:56,026 --> 00:49:59,339 arrived at a place where she genuinely 1047 00:49:59,363 --> 00:50:04,010 doubted they would ever be safe. 1048 00:50:04,034 --> 00:50:08,014 There's, um, I guess, a balance of light and dark. 1049 00:50:08,038 --> 00:50:10,750 And, it doesn't excuse what happened, 1050 00:50:10,774 --> 00:50:16,122 because those children were completely innocent, 1051 00:50:16,146 --> 00:50:17,690 and just wanted love, 1052 00:50:17,714 --> 00:50:20,827 and acceptance, and guidance in this world. 1053 00:50:20,851 --> 00:50:22,595 Devonte would've been 16 this year. 1054 00:50:22,619 --> 00:50:25,355 Jeremiah would've been 14, shoulda been 13, this year. 1055 00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:28,368 You know, and... 1056 00:50:28,392 --> 00:50:32,005 really hard to not have 'em around. 1057 00:50:32,029 --> 00:50:33,973 Know what I'm saying? 'Cause... 1058 00:50:33,997 --> 00:50:36,943 'Cause I see other kids, other brothers, 1059 00:50:36,967 --> 00:50:40,380 play with their brothers, I wish would've had my brothers. 1060 00:50:40,404 --> 00:50:43,206 CHRISTOPHER: Maybe Sarah and Jen aren't who we thought they were. 1061 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,308 We should question it. 1062 00:50:46,543 --> 00:50:48,154 We should question everything. 1063 00:50:48,178 --> 00:50:49,722 But, then we should come back 1064 00:50:49,746 --> 00:50:50,723 to things we know. 1065 00:50:50,747 --> 00:50:51,958 And, the things we know are 1066 00:50:51,982 --> 00:50:53,693 there are facts that lead us to believe 1067 00:50:53,717 --> 00:50:56,286 Jen and Sarah might not have been who they were to us publicly. 1068 00:50:57,521 --> 00:50:58,998 But, the kids are. 1069 00:50:59,022 --> 00:51:00,900 The kids are exactly who we thought they were. 1070 00:51:00,924 --> 00:51:04,337 And, that's why the effect of that family 1071 00:51:04,361 --> 00:51:06,672 is so widespread in our community, 1072 00:51:06,696 --> 00:51:08,741 and why this tragedy is so huge. 1073 00:51:08,765 --> 00:51:12,678 One, that we lost them. And, two, that the story of it 1074 00:51:12,702 --> 00:51:13,937 removes what they meant. 1075 00:51:14,604 --> 00:51:15,982 That's two losses. 1076 00:51:16,006 --> 00:51:18,351 To have to lose them, and to lose, like, 1077 00:51:18,375 --> 00:51:20,420 the ability to tell the story of 1078 00:51:20,444 --> 00:51:22,145 what authentically they meant. 1079 00:51:23,413 --> 00:51:27,760 I have no fear or doubt in my mind 1080 00:51:27,784 --> 00:51:29,762 in saying that about those children. 1081 00:51:29,786 --> 00:51:33,032 What they represented was 100% authentic. 1082 00:51:33,056 --> 00:51:36,235 It wouldn't have had the effect on people that it did if it weren't. 1083 00:51:36,259 --> 00:51:37,627 It's impossible. 1084 00:51:40,597 --> 00:51:42,942 [SINGERS HARMONIZING] 1085 00:51:42,966 --> 00:51:44,911 CHRISTOPHER: Let's come in on that and let's land 'em. 1086 00:51:44,935 --> 00:51:46,336 [ALL HARMONIZING] 1087 00:51:47,304 --> 00:51:50,140 One, two, three. 1088 00:51:51,274 --> 00:51:54,111 ALL: [SINGING] ♪ Fighting 1089 00:51:57,914 --> 00:52:01,818 ♪ Keep on fighting 1090 00:52:02,586 --> 00:52:03,586 ♪ You 1091 00:52:06,590 --> 00:52:09,359 ♪ Trying 1092 00:52:12,629 --> 00:52:17,134 ♪ You gotta keep on trying 1093 00:52:17,667 --> 00:52:18,802 ♪ We do 1094 00:52:21,238 --> 00:52:24,074 ♪ Where did the light go? 1095 00:52:25,275 --> 00:52:28,888 ♪ Darkness can take A hold of me 1096 00:52:28,912 --> 00:52:31,414 ♪ Where did the time go? 1097 00:52:32,682 --> 00:52:36,629 ♪ I'm feeling so empty On these streets 1098 00:52:36,653 --> 00:52:39,422 ♪ Knowing what I know 1099 00:52:40,690 --> 00:52:44,303 ♪ All of the lies Are not concealed 1100 00:52:44,327 --> 00:52:47,006 ♪ I know you had high hopes 1101 00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:50,333 ♪ For these All-forgotten dreams 1102 00:52:51,968 --> 00:52:55,172 ♪ Where did the light go? 1103 00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,576 ♪ Hiding 1104 00:53:03,713 --> 00:53:07,284 ♪ You keep on hiding 1105 00:53:08,218 --> 00:53:09,218 ♪ The truth 1106 00:53:12,389 --> 00:53:15,268 ♪ Why then 1107 00:53:15,292 --> 00:53:16,893 [PIANO NOTES PLAYING] 1108 00:53:19,129 --> 00:53:22,933 ♪ You're still fighting 1109 00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:24,768 ♪ Ain't you? 1110 00:53:27,237 --> 00:53:29,739 ♪ Where did the light go? 1111 00:53:31,007 --> 00:53:34,987 ♪ Darkness can take A hold of me 1112 00:53:35,011 --> 00:53:37,447 ♪ Where did the time go? 1113 00:53:38,648 --> 00:53:42,728 ♪ I'm feeling so empty On these streets 1114 00:53:42,752 --> 00:53:45,388 ♪ Knowing what I know 1115 00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:50,303 ♪ All of the lies Are not concealed 1116 00:53:50,327 --> 00:53:53,139 ♪ I know you had high hopes 1117 00:53:53,163 --> 00:53:56,233 ♪ For these All-forgotten dreams 1118 00:53:58,101 --> 00:54:01,438 ♪ Where did the light go? ♪ 1119 00:54:03,206 --> 00:54:06,052 [CHEERING AND LAUGHING] 1120 00:54:06,076 --> 00:54:09,479 ♪ Where did the light go? ♪ 1121 00:54:12,682 --> 00:54:14,284 [SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING]