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A HIGH SCHOOL PARTY IN 1992
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EVOLVED INTO THE WORLD'S
MOST NOTORIOUS DANCE PARTY
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20 YEARS LATER IT DISAPPEARED
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Ending it was the right thing.
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Until I sat there crouched,
behind those turntables
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and I heard that voice say it.
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That was an intense moment for me.
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It really hit me hard when I realised that
this was actually the last Thunderdome.
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My world collapsed.
I was like: "What the fuck?"
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Thunderdome was
the beginning of everything for me.
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Thunderdome's at the core
of the global dance scene.
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We were there for 20 years
and then we thought: okay, we're done.
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It is completely sold out.
Why are you pulling the plug?
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We devoted 20 years to hardcore music
and the music industry in the Netherlands.
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We made the decision to pull the plug
now Thunderdome is still on top.
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The people with the tattoos,
the people that bought the CD's
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they're older now, starting families.
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But the feeling will forever live on
in the hearts of the people.
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Thunderdome came and excelled.
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It was like a bubble
that exploded in the world.
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After 20 years ID&T ended Thunderdome.
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But no one knew
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that The Wizard
would get the loudest voice.
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My name is Sietse
and this is the story of Thunderdome.
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I want to thank you all.
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Five years after the final party
in the RAI
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you're still going for it.
I lobbied for five years
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with SFX, with my colleagues at ID&T.
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And I thought, fuck it.
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Thunderdome has to come back.
Thunderdome is for you all.
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Here we go.
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AFTER FIVE YEARS OF SILENCE
THUNDERDOME MAKES A COMEBACK
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They all made a lot of money,
but I never thought of it.
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And then I read that they paid
100 million for ID&T
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and that they were all rich
and I started thinking.
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Like fuck, why didn't I cash in on that?
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Why didn't I think of that?
But I just didn't.
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I was busy partying.
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I did this club with my father.
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The Terror Corps in Rotterdam.
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Chuckie is a friend of mine.
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I did the parties and my dad
took care of everything else.
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He was the responsible partner.
Just like me
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he wasn't good at school.
I even went to special education.
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They sent me to a special school
and now I'm here.
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Officially I'm a metal worker.
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And now I organise the best
hardcore parties with a great team.
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He was my inspiration, my mentor
and someone who
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was always willing to invest
to make it even better.
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And that's how I got in touch with ID&T.
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I remember that I, sometimes whole days
or a whole Sunday morning
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could just listen to music
and nothing else. Just lying on my bed.
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Just listening to music and nothing else.
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A joint, a beer and Ajax.
It was a part of our lives.
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I was 16, 17.
I was with F-Side for four years.
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And then one night I was in the bus,
going home after a workday
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and I saw Duncan in the bus.
I hadn't seen him for a few years.
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And someone talked about
illegal house parties behind the station.
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Of course we thought it was amazing
and we went there.
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And that's when it started.
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In the eighties it came to the Netherlands
and soon there were illegal parties.
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Older friends took me took a party.
The infamous Multigroove.
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I let myself go completely.
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When you walked up, you could hear
the windows vibrate, it was like a movie.
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Unexpected locations, unexpected music,
unexpected people.
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We liked it even more when others told us
they didn't like the music.
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They just didn't get it and we thought
it was amazing.
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Us against the world.
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I worked hard and made my own money.
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And then you also want some fun.
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Together with your friends,
just to unwind.
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Freedom.
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All I thought when I saw those guys
walking around and playing music
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and saw them carrying booze,
the only thing I thought, was:
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I want the same. That's all I thought.
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Then we met Theo, he owned records
and he knew how to play them.
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He was the only one
in our hometown who could.
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And he'd already given a party before.
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Let's do that again.
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There was no party at New Years Eve,
so we decided to do it ourselves.
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It was a New Years Eve party
and it was a huge success.
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And, without knowing,
we kinda started our business there.
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In an unprofessional way,
with the New Years Eve party.
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Everyone from the village came
and we drank all the profits ourselves.
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-But that wasn't important.
-We just threw a party.
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We loved organising it, so the next step
was getting a bigger venue.
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We suddenly became hardcore.
It started with house.
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And house suddenly got subdivisions.
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There was club, trance and hardcore.
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-That was how I remember it.
-So we went for it.
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One of the first DJ's
who was known for hardcore, was Dano.
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Because he was on TV,
he became like a god.
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He became the face
of this underground sound.
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At one point, I did use
the hardest mix of the record.
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And as a producer,
I liked to see how far I could go.
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I worked together with an engineer.
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And my mic went to red
and he totally panicked.
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"It should always be green."
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In a few months
this will already be too slow.
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You can't dance to it.
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Yes, you can. They stand on their heels.
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They're like flamingo's.
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I also don't understand
you can do it all night.
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But I'm sure that's because of
the coke and speed, the drugs.
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This hard sound
got into the smaller clubs.
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But everyone knew it wouldn't take long
to become bigger.
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That scene was constantly growing.
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After the New Years Eve party,
we just wanted more.
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Soon we learned that it was impossible
to give a party in a small sports centre.
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So we called the Jaarbeurs and the RAI.
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All the sport centres had turned us down,
maar the Jaarbeurs and RAI were in.
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Sometimes you just need some luck.
We were just lucky.
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When we could choose,
we chose the Jaarbeurs.
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Because the whole house scene
was taken over by the soccer audience.
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That was something we considered.
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In Amsterdam there'd be trouble with
people from Rotterdam and Den Haag.
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And if they don't come,
we won't make enough money.
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Utrecht is neutral,
the Switzerland of the Netherlands.
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And you could reach it by train at night.
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So we went for the Jaarbeurs.
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Duncan also wanted to
give a party like that.
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But he wanted it bigger
and he came with the Jaarbeurs.
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He called it the Final Exam
and sold it as a graduation party.
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PRESALE
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We stole a database with all
the high schools in the Netherlands
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to organise this big graduation party.
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We have 7500.
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That letter was full of mistakes.
So teachers crossed out all the mistakes.
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"You can't even write a decent letter,
let alone take care of our children.
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We have a responsibility."
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After work we'd get in the car
with buckets full of glue
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-and we just put it up everywhere.
-Hand out flyers at parties.
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We covered a whole city and when we
were done, we went to the next city.
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You had to use mouth-to-mouth,
because there was no internet.
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The promotion reached
the provinces as well.
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All my friends in the north
were talking about it.
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We did make sure everyone knew about it,
that's what we wanted.
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Everyone wants to be part of that brand
and I do believe in that.
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There's no one around who can offer
the same as I can offer.
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We just did Tomorrowland,
we're doing Mysteryland
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and on 28 October we'll go full out.
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And we'll make sure
that the Jaarbeurs is the best party.
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Duncan immediately started yelling.
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We were at school
and he approached one person.
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He talked to him or her
and gave them a ticket.
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The context is the future of hardcore.
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It's crucial we take the context
of the future
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and we use the past in that concept.
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It's 25 years of hardcore,
you can't cover only five years.
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I understand, but I don't think
Dano is a good fit.
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Please also use young, new talent
that nobody knows yet.
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So you can show them
that the Thunderdome platform is much more
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than the men that started it.
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Show in the main. We'll start with
the opening, for about three minutes.
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We get requests from Moscow
for Thunderdome.
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Requests from Italy, Spain.
People in Japan are interested.
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But should you do it all?
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Duncan is no longer the owner.
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The Americans took over.
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They just want results.
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But we just want to organise good things.
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That's what it's all about in the end.
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This was the shop, Mary Go Wild,
the take-over of Thunderdome.
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This was the first moment, after 2012.
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Everybody said the brand was dead,
that we should leave it behind.
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But the scene embraced it again.
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In the beginning there were 3000 visitors.
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We already thought it was very big.
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But the amount of visitors in
the Jaarbeurs, was something new.
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We'd signed the lease, it was done.
And then I got a fax from the Jaarbeurs.
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Probably not good news. They wanted us
to get insured for five million guilders
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for every event and an excess
of 100.000 guilders.
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We didn't have an LLC,
we were 20, 21 years old.
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We paid the rent and we had everything
planned, but they just wanted to stop us.
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They wanted to do something
to make it impossible for us to continue.
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Duncan knew Dick Schoenaker because
he'd insured his courier business.
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So we called him for the insurance.
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He told us it couldn't be done,
but we simply insisted.
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We'd already spent all our money on
the lease, artists, lights, and so forth.
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So we called the Jaarbeurs two days later.
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"We've got the insurance,
can we go ahead now?"
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"That's not possible."
"Yes, turn on your fax machine."
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So we sent it to them and it was done.
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We hoped for 6000, 7000 people,
but it was double that.
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And it was a mess.
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We had security, they were from the
trailer park, they forced their way in.
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For ten guilders, you could go outside.
But we also had our own guys
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to make sure
they wouldn't steal all the money.
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After 30 minutes, the booze was gone
and we had so many lights.
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But no one saw,
because it was still light out.
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That first party was so hectic
and when you get into that world
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with artists and their ego,
the RAI and Jaarbeurs
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with suits and rules,
it was one big lesson for us.
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We went back on Saturday morning
at eight o'clock.
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The party ended at seven
and we cleaned everything.
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We took five brooms
and cleaned the entire Jaarbeurs.
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Even though we'd been awake for 24 hours.
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We wanted to save money, it was expensive.
It was like 5000, 6000 guilders.
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And that's when Theo left.
He was tired, we all were.
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-There were five or six of us.
-The guys that had been drinking
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-were exhausted the next day.
-He left that morning.
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We told him that he couldn't come back
if he left.
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And he indeed never came back.
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The Wizard was first drawn
after an example in a book.
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The original is somewhere
on a wall in Paris.
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A lot is just sampling,
that's how it was in those days.
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I had some connection with that wizard.
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It was on a wall in Paris
and that picture was like ten years old.
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We never considered rights
or anything else.
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We never expected it
to be this big worldwide.
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We wanted to make people connect
with something other than the music.
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We wanted to create
a different world for them.
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In the graphic world
it's a weird icon to have.
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KLM has its crown, Nike the swoosh,
ID&T The Wizard.
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It was typical for that period.
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It was a period when
everything was possible.
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RACISM, JUST STUPID
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So when the Final Exam was a success,
Irfan and Duncan kept going.
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We met some guys from Leeuwarden
with a permit for Thialf.
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We had the final exam and ID&T,
Irfan, Duncan, Theo.
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Theo was gone, so that name
actually didn't make sense.
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So we literally got out the dictionary and
started looking for words for a big venue
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and loud music.
And that's how we got Thunderdome.
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Dome for the big venue
and thunder for the loud music.
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Thunderdome, that's what it'll be.
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We did know we had to fill the room.
227
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It was an enormous venue,
it could hold 30.000 people.
228
00:24:12,140 --> 00:24:16,820
We even lived there,
we slept in the house of an old couple.
229
00:24:16,940 --> 00:24:20,820
Every day we had the same mission
and took it even further.
230
00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:26,180
We went to every village
in Friesland, Groningen and Drenthe.
231
00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:28,180
We really went to every village.
232
00:24:56,980 --> 00:24:59,940
Thunderdome is very unique.
233
00:25:00,060 --> 00:25:04,860
It has a different vibe,
it's different from everything else.
234
00:25:05,860 --> 00:25:10,100
We're not father and son there
235
00:25:10,220 --> 00:25:13,460
just best friends
who are having a great time.
236
00:25:13,580 --> 00:25:20,060
If you just go out, you drink and dance
a bit. But everyone goes full out there.
237
00:25:20,180 --> 00:25:26,340
Everyone has fun together,
it doesn't matter who you are.
238
00:25:26,460 --> 00:25:31,420
My history with Thunderdome
started in '92, with the first one.
239
00:25:31,540 --> 00:25:35,100
We walked in and it was Thunderdome I.
240
00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:38,100
Within five minutes I was hooked.
241
00:25:38,220 --> 00:25:42,820
I came home and went upstairs
to wake up my brother.
242
00:25:42,940 --> 00:25:45,740
I wanted him to come the next time.
243
00:25:45,860 --> 00:25:49,140
And we kept going, with a large group.
244
00:25:49,260 --> 00:25:53,180
I hope to be able to keep going
as long as it exists.
245
00:25:57,420 --> 00:26:00,700
And now I'm bringing my sons.
246
00:26:08,020 --> 00:26:10,700
There was nothing without Thunderdome.
247
00:26:44,020 --> 00:26:48,100
At the first Thunderdome,
I felt like I was passing out.
248
00:26:48,220 --> 00:26:51,740
I started to wave,
that's how they called it.
249
00:26:53,180 --> 00:26:56,220
The stadium was close to Leeuwarden,
where I lived.
250
00:26:57,860 --> 00:27:00,620
I believed these guys had a dream.
251
00:27:01,820 --> 00:27:04,740
And the crowd and I were part of it.
252
00:27:12,220 --> 00:27:16,260
And there was a squid, with those arms,
like on a carnival.
253
00:27:16,380 --> 00:27:21,100
I thought it was ridiculous,
but it turned out to be a success.
254
00:27:21,220 --> 00:27:27,580
It was the first time we were all together
at a large event like this.
255
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:33,300
-Did they organise it well?
-Yeah, there aren't many problems.
256
00:27:33,420 --> 00:27:40,220
There's a lot of room and we've got
forklifts, platforms and a lot of help.
257
00:27:40,340 --> 00:27:42,900
So it's going fine.
258
00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:49,260
One of the sound technicians
had been a roadie for Metallica.
259
00:27:49,380 --> 00:27:52,700
He was looking around
and wondered what we were doing.
260
00:27:52,820 --> 00:27:58,500
In the rock industry you give an event,
which costs you a lot of money.
261
00:27:58,620 --> 00:28:02,220
But you make money
by selling CD's and T-shirts.
262
00:28:03,380 --> 00:28:08,220
"Didn't you sign those artists?"
"No, they're just friends."
263
00:28:08,340 --> 00:28:14,340
"Put them in the studio and make a CD."
"Good idea, let's do that."
264
00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:20,060
That's how we made the first album with
Dano, Gizmo, Buzz Fuzz and The Prophet.
265
00:28:20,180 --> 00:28:23,820
Twelve tracks, designed a cover
and we wanted to sell it.
266
00:28:36,260 --> 00:28:41,860
It was like a catapult
and we'd just see how it went.
267
00:28:41,980 --> 00:28:45,900
-We worked all night.
-And became stars.
268
00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:54,500
-We were treated like stars.
-Own merchandise, stickers, labels.
269
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:59,340
It went so fast, we barely realised.
270
00:29:02,740 --> 00:29:07,740
In one year we went to Leeuwarden,
Den Haag, Heerenveen and Groningen.
271
00:29:07,860 --> 00:29:11,060
We wanted to stand out,
in every way possible.
272
00:29:11,180 --> 00:29:16,380
There were more parties, more tickets
and therefore more marketing.
273
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:18,740
And that's the machine.
274
00:29:20,140 --> 00:29:23,740
I collected the money myself,
50.000 guilders.
275
00:29:23,860 --> 00:29:28,620
-Luckily I was never robbed.
-When you're young
276
00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:30,500
it's just what you want.
277
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:36,660
I collected that money for years,
maybe even ten years.
278
00:29:36,780 --> 00:29:39,300
We always collected cash money.
279
00:29:39,420 --> 00:29:45,980
Thunderdome became so popular,
that even cops who caught us
280
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:50,500
asked us what we were doing
and if they heard it was for Thunderdome
281
00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:54,980
they wanted a ticket and let us go.
282
00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:01,740
-What are you expecting?
-Excitement.
283
00:30:01,860 --> 00:30:04,020
It will be so intense.
284
00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:06,700
We don't mind, it's fine.
285
00:30:06,820 --> 00:30:11,740
We try to do our best to keep it decent.
286
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:18,860
We played the music we wanted, because
the audience didn't know anything yet.
287
00:30:18,980 --> 00:30:23,620
So they just accepted the music we played.
288
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:31,300
A lot of people liked it,
people between 16 to 20 years old
289
00:30:31,420 --> 00:30:35,500
who wanted something else
besides the normal clubs.
290
00:30:35,620 --> 00:30:38,060
And that unity was amazing.
291
00:30:38,180 --> 00:30:43,860
And that was what made that brand
292
00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:49,060
a metaphor for togetherness, unison
293
00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:52,380
especially for men.
294
00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:54,140
Buddies for life.
295
00:31:01,220 --> 00:31:05,420
ASSEMBLY OF THUNDERDOME
296
00:31:07,340 --> 00:31:12,700
This is the main stage,
with the DJ's that are huge right now.
297
00:31:13,780 --> 00:31:15,700
Here the Heroes of Hardcore.
298
00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:19,260
The Heroes of Hardcore are pretty much
299
00:31:19,380 --> 00:31:23,980
the people who were huge
during the millennium.
300
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:29,500
There's the Industrial Sound.
I believe it's a pretty nice lounge.
301
00:31:29,620 --> 00:31:34,900
Here are the Thunder Gods.
This is a black lounge, 50 meters long.
302
00:31:35,020 --> 00:31:40,340
There we have the terror heroes and there
the music style that's hot right now.
303
00:31:40,460 --> 00:31:44,300
That's the upbeat music.
And we have a huge chill-out.
304
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:54,940
We have 80 people working here.
305
00:31:55,060 --> 00:32:00,020
We have five containers
filled with clothes.
306
00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:15,100
This is amazing. The Final Exam
was the first party in the Jaarbeurs.
307
00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:20,100
Back then, The Wizard was pink.
And on three October after that
308
00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:26,340
they had the next party by ID&T,
which was actually called Thunder Dome.
309
00:32:26,460 --> 00:32:29,420
The Wizard was fluorescent green.
310
00:32:29,540 --> 00:32:34,980
Especially because of that
I designed a shirt
311
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:37,380
with fluorescent green.
312
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:40,700
And this is how it turned out.
313
00:32:43,220 --> 00:32:47,020
It's a part of my life.
In '92 I was standing right here
314
00:32:47,140 --> 00:32:51,420
and now, 25 years later, I'm back.
315
00:32:51,540 --> 00:32:55,580
And I just think:
Fuck, we had 15.000 people back then.
316
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:59,020
Now there's 40.000 visitors.
Back then it was one lounge.
317
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:03,900
Start from the beginning.
318
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:23,140
I'm not sure if we still need to
edit the voice.
319
00:33:23,260 --> 00:33:29,700
In the studio it's great, you can hear
the effects and make it really nice.
320
00:33:29,820 --> 00:33:34,580
But at the venue it will be messy,
that's my experience.
321
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:36,580
Just think about it.
322
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:39,820
So the opening is at half past 12.
323
00:33:41,580 --> 00:33:48,300
We start with the moment in 2012,
when everything ended.
324
00:33:48,420 --> 00:33:51,700
We start with the sound of a flatline.
325
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:56,180
Excruciatingly long
and then it comes to life.
326
00:33:57,620 --> 00:34:00,140
Find out when it becomes too irritating.
327
00:34:10,180 --> 00:34:14,100
Do you want to stop it now or...
328
00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:17,930
Beep, beep, getting faster
and then it stops.
329
00:34:18,060 --> 00:34:22,220
An explosion and then "Thunderdome
is back" or something like that
330
00:34:22,330 --> 00:34:25,890
and then the music starts.
331
00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:28,260
And fireworks and everything.
332
00:34:36,980 --> 00:34:41,410
In '93, the CD's with the Dreamteam
became legendary.
333
00:34:41,540 --> 00:34:45,780
But others wanted to capitalize
on that success.
334
00:34:45,890 --> 00:34:48,330
The hardest you'll ever hear.
335
00:34:52,890 --> 00:34:55,060
More than 70 minutes hardcore.
336
00:34:57,940 --> 00:34:59,900
Eighteen tracks from hell.
337
00:35:02,140 --> 00:35:04,020
Arcade wanted our name.
338
00:35:04,140 --> 00:35:07,820
It was a commercial company
that produced albums.
339
00:35:07,940 --> 00:35:12,020
They had a meeting every week
to decide what they would do.
340
00:35:12,140 --> 00:35:17,060
And they wanted to do our party,
so they wanted to produce Thunderdome.
341
00:35:17,180 --> 00:35:21,020
Mental Theo, Theo Nabuurs,
worked for Arcade.
342
00:35:21,140 --> 00:35:24,020
He was A&R manager
and needed something new.
343
00:35:24,140 --> 00:35:31,060
But Buzz Fuzz was also mixing
a house party CD in Arcade's building.
344
00:35:31,180 --> 00:35:34,660
I just happened to be there
in that massive building.
345
00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:38,660
They had a meeting and I heard them.
"So, we agree?
346
00:35:38,780 --> 00:35:41,300
It's going to be Thunderdome?"
347
00:35:41,420 --> 00:35:46,580
I heard them say it, and suddenly
I didn't need to pee anymore.
348
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:50,700
I ran outside to find a phone booth,
like it was back then.
349
00:35:50,820 --> 00:35:56,380
I called Irfan immediately.
"Irfan, lock down the name Thunderdome.
350
00:35:56,500 --> 00:36:00,180
Now."
"But that'll cost 2500 guilders."
351
00:36:02,180 --> 00:36:05,500
"Lock it down before the weekend."
"How?"
352
00:36:05,620 --> 00:36:07,420
"I don't know, do it."
353
00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:10,940
"What? You're kidding."
354
00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:16,060
I put all wheels in motion
to protect our brand, called our lawyer.
355
00:36:16,180 --> 00:36:20,260
And then we could tell them
it was our name.
356
00:36:20,380 --> 00:36:23,180
He entered the room and sat down.
357
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:27,620
He reeked of booze.
"We discussed it.
358
00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:31,220
We can get you 25 cents per CD
if you give away your rights.
359
00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:36,420
Because you have the rights,
but I mean, we're Arcade.
360
00:36:36,540 --> 00:36:39,780
We'll sell 100.000 CD's,
you'll get 25 cents.
361
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:43,820
So that's 25 grand per CD,
just in the Netherlands.
362
00:36:43,940 --> 00:36:47,620
And all you have to do,
is give us the rights."
363
00:36:48,860 --> 00:36:54,300
We were like "what the fuck?"
We shook his hand and left.
364
00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:59,500
We immediately called our lawyer,
because we wanted to teach them a lesson.
365
00:37:08,220 --> 00:37:10,420
The loudest for a small price.
366
00:37:10,540 --> 00:37:15,580
Arcade was working on Thunderdome III,
and before Christmas
367
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:20,980
they wanted to launch Thunderdome IV.
But through friends we came in contact
368
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:24,580
with a German distributor who knew us.
369
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:29,220
And he hated Arcade with all its might.
370
00:37:29,340 --> 00:37:34,340
He made a Thunderdome CD
and it works differently in Germany.
371
00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:39,300
If two brands look a like,
one of the parties goes to a judge
372
00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:43,580
and the judge stops production
until it's clear who has the rights.
373
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:47,940
After that you can continue.
So Arcade couldn't produce the album.
374
00:37:48,060 --> 00:37:51,660
It wasn't even an hour later
and the phone rang.
375
00:37:51,780 --> 00:37:53,580
I answered.
376
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:55,020
That's all I heard.
377
00:37:56,020 --> 00:38:00,380
"Are you fucking out of your mind?"
378
00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:04,740
He just went completely mad,
shouting and cursing.
379
00:38:04,860 --> 00:38:07,900
It was André de Raaf, director of Arcade.
380
00:38:08,020 --> 00:38:13,580
Eventually we made a deal
we could fill up half of the CD.
381
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:16,940
So we got half of the profits
and could promote parties.
382
00:38:17,060 --> 00:38:23,100
That's when Thunderdome exploded,
the parties as well as the CD's.
383
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:45,380
You had to be at this party.
384
00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:50,700
It was not just for the people
who were young back then
385
00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:53,060
but also for the many who would follow.
386
00:39:16,580 --> 00:39:21,740
Fucking adrenalin, man.
I can feel it everywhere in my body.
387
00:39:23,340 --> 00:39:26,940
This will be the best night ever.
388
00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:29,980
To the max together.
389
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:32,180
Peter, can you hear me?
390
00:39:33,220 --> 00:39:35,660
Are your ready?
391
00:39:35,780 --> 00:39:40,780
Guys, show number eight will start
in three, two, one.
392
00:40:32,060 --> 00:40:34,500
Amazing, man.
393
00:40:37,180 --> 00:40:42,460
You're the hardest in the whole world.
394
00:40:54,260 --> 00:40:56,900
I was working at the Jaarbeurs.
395
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:01,980
And at the same time my dad fell ill.
396
00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:11,660
So on the one hand I had the fame
and everyone loved me.
397
00:41:11,780 --> 00:41:15,860
But I was also really sad.
398
00:41:15,980 --> 00:41:21,500
Saying goodbye
seemed like the hardest thing to do.
399
00:41:21,620 --> 00:41:25,820
You were the father of
the hardcore generation in the nineties.
400
00:41:25,940 --> 00:41:27,220
Dad...
401
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:31,180
Thank you for everything.
402
00:41:39,540 --> 00:41:43,140
We picked it together, "First Rebirth".
403
00:41:43,260 --> 00:41:45,060
By Jones & Stephenson.
404
00:43:06,740 --> 00:43:11,980
I don't know. I held his hand
and felt his heartbeat.
405
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:14,900
And he just slipped away.
406
00:43:26,980 --> 00:43:28,420
I love you.
407
00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:36,740
Anyway...
408
00:43:36,860 --> 00:43:39,020
It's just so bizarre.
409
00:43:43,420 --> 00:43:47,500
But it was his own choice.
410
00:43:47,620 --> 00:43:52,300
Otherwise he might have died eight weeks
later with a tube down his throat
411
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:56,340
and not knowing what happened.
This was his choice.
412
00:44:30,940 --> 00:44:35,300
Toil and sweat, dance until you
literally can't move anymore.
413
00:44:35,420 --> 00:44:41,780
This weekend the biggest house party ever
took place on the Maasvlakte.
414
00:44:42,820 --> 00:44:48,220
Thousands of youngsters went crazy
for three days on the beat of house music.
415
00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:50,540
Possibly with the help of XTC.
416
00:45:00,580 --> 00:45:06,500
Brian Bout and Sander Groet approached us
because the first Mysteryland failed.
417
00:45:06,620 --> 00:45:10,900
I was still in school at that time.
418
00:45:11,020 --> 00:45:15,020
I still had to do my exams.
419
00:45:15,140 --> 00:45:20,420
But my live revolved around partying.
So to me it was amazing
420
00:45:20,540 --> 00:45:25,020
that I got in contact with them
and they wanted to work together.
421
00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:31,660
That's when we did the Maasvlakte.
And that was a tough one.
422
00:45:31,780 --> 00:45:34,940
It was the first time we did an event
that failed.
423
00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:40,020
We missed so much or took it for granted
424
00:45:40,140 --> 00:45:46,060
or just accepted it, because we were just
ahead of times with our vision.
425
00:45:46,180 --> 00:45:50,660
The festival was three days,
Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
426
00:45:50,780 --> 00:45:54,700
We had a camping,
but there was absolutely nothing.
427
00:45:54,820 --> 00:46:00,180
We had to build a water line, showers.
We built a village from scratch.
428
00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:03,220
It cost us a lot of money.
429
00:46:03,340 --> 00:46:06,140
We went totally broke there.
430
00:46:06,260 --> 00:46:09,900
We had a loss of 800.000 guilders.
431
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:15,820
There were not enough visitors,
we'd spent too much money.
432
00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:19,980
It went wrong and we had to decide
how to deal with that.
433
00:46:23,740 --> 00:46:29,580
I was just so driven to organise
something, to make something great
434
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:33,860
and I didn't think about the risks
or the money.
435
00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:40,740
It caused a lot of tension and stress
in the company.
436
00:46:40,860 --> 00:46:46,700
There were also outside forces
and it led to so much friction
437
00:46:46,820 --> 00:46:49,660
that Duncan and I split up.
438
00:46:49,780 --> 00:46:56,060
It was a big moment for me to say
that we both wanted something different.
439
00:46:56,180 --> 00:46:58,300
And then we went our separate ways.
440
00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:05,340
I've known Irfan my whole life,
since I was six years old.
441
00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:08,780
I still went to the parties,
they were my friends.
442
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:15,180
Professionally it was an intense break-up,
but I never took it personally.
443
00:47:18,580 --> 00:47:22,780
It became clear that Duncan
didn't want to go on with Irfan.
444
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:26,580
And I didn't want to work
with Brian anymore.
445
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:28,980
They just had another mindset.
446
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:33,500
And then Sander became my partner.
447
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:42,420
I was a part of ID&T, I had no salary,
I just worked there every day.
448
00:47:42,540 --> 00:47:48,740
I just wanted to stay put
until I'd paid back my debts.
449
00:47:48,860 --> 00:47:52,700
I wanted to organise parties
and unite people
450
00:47:52,820 --> 00:47:57,180
ideally at places where it
have never happened before.
451
00:47:58,820 --> 00:48:04,460
But we kept selling CD's, 50.000
in the Netherlands, we were number one.
452
00:48:04,580 --> 00:48:09,740
-We sold about 4,5 million CD's.
-And that's what saved us.
453
00:48:09,860 --> 00:48:14,700
We could pay a part of the money
we owed, because of the CD's.
454
00:48:14,820 --> 00:48:19,260
We could ask suppliers
to give us some more time.
455
00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:21,860
But we did pay it all back.
456
00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:33,180
From this moment on, it went really fast.
457
00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:36,860
Incredibly fast.
458
00:48:40,420 --> 00:48:42,540
You could see Thunderdome everywhere.
459
00:48:44,420 --> 00:48:46,420
The money kept coming in.
460
00:48:48,460 --> 00:48:50,500
Merchandise.
461
00:48:50,620 --> 00:48:53,540
Collection boxes, drinks, school diaries.
462
00:48:57,300 --> 00:49:02,140
Suddenly everybody saw Thunderdome.
And the CD-booklets were mental.
463
00:49:02,260 --> 00:49:06,940
Twenty-eight pages with T-shirts and caps.
And it sold like crazy.
464
00:49:07,060 --> 00:49:11,620
We had ten girls answering the phone
the day after the release.
465
00:49:11,740 --> 00:49:15,700
You made like 20 to 30.000 guilders
per track.
466
00:49:19,020 --> 00:49:23,900
I was at the ATM and said:
"Do you see what I see?"
467
00:49:24,020 --> 00:49:27,300
I had 250.000 guilders in my account.
468
00:49:28,340 --> 00:49:31,740
-I bought a car.
-We thought it was normal.
469
00:49:31,860 --> 00:49:37,620
We made 20, 30, 100.000 guilders
every three to six months.
470
00:49:37,740 --> 00:49:39,180
It was amazing.
471
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:42,500
When Irfan left,
Thunderdome went to the clubs.
472
00:49:44,460 --> 00:49:47,340
This was my moment as MC,
The Mouth of Madness.
473
00:49:47,460 --> 00:49:52,060
Okay, dear viewers, a hardcore welcome
at the ID&T Report.
474
00:49:52,180 --> 00:49:55,140
It was the best viewed show for months.
475
00:49:55,260 --> 00:49:58,140
-Hardcore.
-I'm in the house.
476
00:49:58,260 --> 00:50:05,180
-People loved seeing themselves.
-We went all over Europe.
477
00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:09,860
This is MC Drokz.
We were like cowboys in the nineties.
478
00:50:09,980 --> 00:50:14,020
-Everyone did what he wanted.
-It was not that serious.
479
00:50:14,140 --> 00:50:15,740
Do you want to marry me?
480
00:50:18,140 --> 00:50:19,860
We just had fun.
481
00:50:44,460 --> 00:50:48,580
It went from illegal raves
into the youth culture.
482
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:51,700
It was my family and I was proud of it.
483
00:50:53,980 --> 00:50:56,700
DISMANTLING THUNDERDOME
484
00:51:01,380 --> 00:51:04,060
COLLECTOR
485
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:20,540
COLLECTOR
486
00:51:24,260 --> 00:51:27,940
Thunderdome is hard to describe,
it's not a zombie.
487
00:51:28,060 --> 00:51:32,980
It's bold, it's a nightmare,
but never blood and terror.
488
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:36,140
The first CD's are like the flyers.
489
00:51:36,260 --> 00:51:40,660
They're pictures of fantasy artists
from the seventies.
490
00:51:40,780 --> 00:51:45,180
Then ID&T had to decide
how to move forward.
491
00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:47,060
Maybe Victor can do it.
492
00:51:48,140 --> 00:51:51,460
I loved Chuckie and the clown.
493
00:51:51,580 --> 00:51:56,060
-My dad came up with the names.
-A mummy is fine.
494
00:51:56,180 --> 00:52:00,700
A snake is perfect. Very clear,
a head with the eyes in the middle.
495
00:52:00,820 --> 00:52:03,580
Very primary and iconic.
496
00:52:03,700 --> 00:52:10,260
They're all images that fit in the range
and the problem is how to continue.
497
00:52:10,380 --> 00:52:12,060
There is an end to it.
498
00:52:12,180 --> 00:52:15,100
But I didn't realise that back then.
499
00:52:20,260 --> 00:52:23,940
During the weekend
I was the boring office guy
500
00:52:24,060 --> 00:52:26,620
and in the weekend it was party time.
501
00:52:27,620 --> 00:52:28,700
PARTY PHOTOGRAPHER
502
00:52:28,820 --> 00:52:34,220
I was the only one who took photos,
because no one brought a camera along.
503
00:52:34,340 --> 00:52:36,020
Nobody else did it.
504
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:44,060
First I got requests for photos
from events that had already happened.
505
00:52:44,180 --> 00:52:48,660
And then they asked me
to go to parties for them.
506
00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:51,340
I thought it was amazing.
507
00:52:54,180 --> 00:52:57,980
Those photos were amazing
for the magazine.
508
00:52:58,100 --> 00:53:02,620
-He was the first party photographer.
-The TV show every Friday.
509
00:53:02,740 --> 00:53:07,060
And Saturday another party.
I don't drink coffee
510
00:53:07,180 --> 00:53:14,140
so you need something else to stay awake.
To stay focused and deliver quality.
511
00:53:14,260 --> 00:53:19,020
I usually worked on it
every night at home.
512
00:53:19,140 --> 00:53:23,220
Then I'd just finish before the weekend
and it started all over again.
513
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:30,300
I wanted to do it, so I just went
and did my thing.
514
00:53:31,980 --> 00:53:37,020
We had plenty of stories. The artists
could tell everyone what they did.
515
00:53:37,140 --> 00:53:42,900
Otherwise you'd only see him on the stage
and he wasn't interviewed anywhere else.
516
00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:47,220
So it was an important way
to talk to our audience.
517
00:53:49,460 --> 00:53:55,220
I have a letter from Freddy.
Freddy is 22 years old and from Gelderop.
518
00:53:55,340 --> 00:53:59,380
He likes hardcore
and has a short, black crew cut.
519
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:03,140
And Freddy is a party virgin.
520
00:54:03,260 --> 00:54:07,780
To me hardcore is a way to forget
everything, recharge your battery
521
00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:12,020
and then you can listen to
all the bullshit again. It's our culture.
522
00:54:12,140 --> 00:54:15,700
We want to stamp.
The Dutch just want to stamp.
523
00:54:18,780 --> 00:54:22,380
The impact as a culture was enormous
in the Netherlands.
524
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:26,420
You could recognize people who liked it.
525
00:54:26,540 --> 00:54:30,700
How badly could you shock your mum?
A bald head and that loud music.
526
00:54:31,860 --> 00:54:33,140
All day long.
527
00:54:33,260 --> 00:54:40,180
In the nineties, there was a time when
one in three teenagers was a hardcore fan.
528
00:54:42,540 --> 00:54:49,540
I think we went to every club possible.
The Peppermill, Lloret de Mar, everywhere.
529
00:54:51,780 --> 00:54:55,500
New York, Australia and in Switzerland.
530
00:54:56,540 --> 00:55:00,580
We went to dinner three times a day.
We had a great time.
531
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:04,380
We created a need
and responded to a need.
532
00:55:04,500 --> 00:55:10,420
For so many people,
Thunderdome was their first big party.
533
00:55:10,540 --> 00:55:14,860
But we were never proud of it
and I just don't get it.
534
00:55:22,420 --> 00:55:24,740
Don't mind the typos.
535
00:55:26,140 --> 00:55:31,420
What I see in the market,
with DJ's and fans
536
00:55:31,540 --> 00:55:34,460
is that most of them want a new event.
537
00:55:34,580 --> 00:55:40,900
And people are interested in the permit
for the Jaarbeurs.
538
00:55:41,020 --> 00:55:44,380
That's maybe why we're here,
maybe we'll do it.
539
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:48,740
I don't like to be
the centre of attention.
540
00:55:48,860 --> 00:55:53,940
-It's part of the job, man.
-It's part of the fame.
541
00:55:54,060 --> 00:56:00,500
I thought the event was amazing,
one of the best I ever visited.
542
00:56:00,620 --> 00:56:04,300
And I also experienced
the old Thunderdome.
543
00:56:04,420 --> 00:56:10,700
I think there's a certain vibe now,
so it's good to do it this year.
544
00:56:10,820 --> 00:56:16,140
We don't know what it's like in five years
and people want it now.
545
00:56:16,260 --> 00:56:19,900
It would be pretty special to do it again.
546
00:56:20,020 --> 00:56:25,300
The pitfall is that it relies too much
on the legacy.
547
00:56:25,420 --> 00:56:31,780
I think it could also be cool
not to go that big every year.
548
00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:38,820
But make it very exclusive a few years,
to keep the hype alive
549
00:56:38,940 --> 00:56:44,860
and then come back like last year
once every two, three or five years.
550
00:56:44,980 --> 00:56:50,740
And maybe even bigger than last year,
maybe get 50.000 visitors this time.
551
00:56:54,140 --> 00:56:59,380
-That doesn't sound so good.
-Because of your accent from Rotterdam.
552
00:57:00,380 --> 00:57:05,740
-You do have to change the content.
-2020 would be a nice year to do it again.
553
00:57:05,860 --> 00:57:09,340
-But we shouldn't waste time.
-And we should go big.
554
00:57:09,460 --> 00:57:12,300
-Keep going or quit.
-Ninety percent.
555
00:57:12,420 --> 00:57:14,860
-It's still alive.
-Hold on a minute.
556
00:57:14,980 --> 00:57:19,260
-You can make a statement.
-Go big, intense, with all we've got.
557
00:57:19,380 --> 00:57:24,140
But will it have the same impact
as it did with 25 years?
558
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:46,980
Hardcore is not in the past,
it is still growing.
559
00:57:50,780 --> 00:57:54,220
It used to be a feeling of
us against the world.
560
00:57:54,340 --> 00:57:58,700
Now it has a positive family vibe
and you really feel that.
561
00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:12,900
You feel so amazing when you're
playing there and when you're in the car
562
00:58:13,020 --> 00:58:19,100
you realise there's also a life that's
not as amazing as that feeling as a DJ.
563
00:58:19,220 --> 00:58:21,340
It's just incredible.
564
00:58:21,460 --> 00:58:25,940
Hardcore is no longer stigmatized.
565
00:58:26,060 --> 00:58:28,900
The derivative of velocity
566
00:58:29,020 --> 00:58:33,140
is the derivative
of the derivative function.
567
00:58:34,420 --> 00:58:40,260
If I could play at Thunderdome, it'd be
one of the biggest signs of appreciation.
568
00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:48,820
At the end of the nineties,
Thunderdome lost its hold.
569
00:58:51,780 --> 00:58:55,580
Cracks started to show
in the family I'd chosen.
570
00:58:56,580 --> 00:59:00,140
Especially when the masses
started interfering.
571
00:59:00,260 --> 00:59:06,660
Hardcore fans are aggressive, racist,
wear priceless tracksuits
572
00:59:06,780 --> 00:59:11,620
use drugs and should be avoided.
573
00:59:11,740 --> 00:59:16,100
They say they're not aggressive
and don't want to be perceived like that.
574
00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:22,740
We're being judged on our appearance,
but that's no more than appearances.
575
00:59:27,700 --> 00:59:33,940
We were blinded by the size
and the commercialism.
576
00:59:34,060 --> 00:59:41,020
It was massive, we're talking about
hundreds of thousands of teenagers.
577
00:59:41,140 --> 00:59:45,500
I think we did everything we could do.
578
00:59:45,620 --> 00:59:51,140
We embraced everything that was
thrown at us and seemed interesting.
579
00:59:51,260 --> 00:59:56,300
This was the era in which
ID&T became a real company.
580
00:59:56,420 --> 01:00:01,300
People worked there,
we had those dolls and the covers.
581
01:00:01,420 --> 01:00:04,260
We became a record label.
582
01:00:04,380 --> 01:00:09,740
We didn't think about whether decisions
could affect other things.
583
01:00:09,860 --> 01:00:15,260
It removed itself more and more from
what it was about, giving a good party.
584
01:00:22,780 --> 01:00:27,860
At the end of the nineties
there was an overkill.
585
01:00:27,980 --> 01:00:32,860
Liking hardcore suddenly became
a hype, a trend.
586
01:00:32,980 --> 01:00:38,980
Suddenly everyone liked to jump around
on hardcore, but we didn't anymore.
587
01:00:39,100 --> 01:00:43,220
-You hated it.
-You were completely against it.
588
01:00:43,340 --> 01:00:47,860
-I hate happy hardcore.
-All the tracks our parents listened to
589
01:00:47,980 --> 01:00:54,300
were adjusted, put a beat under it
and you've got happy hardcore.
590
01:00:54,420 --> 01:00:58,860
-We did hardcore for kids.
-The parents brought their kids
591
01:00:58,980 --> 01:01:03,140
but we shouldn't have done that.
592
01:01:07,460 --> 01:01:11,780
People say house is drugs,
but it has nothing to do with each other.
593
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:14,180
It's just one-sided.
594
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:18,580
A very large group
is destroyed because of this.
595
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:23,420
Go to the clubs, most of the hardcore fans
don't do drugs.
596
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:41,500
The bald heads an tracksuits looked
aggressive, but we were all friends.
597
01:01:41,620 --> 01:01:45,500
Twenty thousand people
and nothing really happened.
598
01:01:45,620 --> 01:01:48,700
But that suddenly changed.
599
01:01:50,820 --> 01:01:55,380
It just became grim
and suddenly we saw the army boots.
600
01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:58,340
And suddenly fights broke out.
601
01:01:58,460 --> 01:02:01,700
In Leeuwarden we protected ourselves
with steal pipes.
602
01:02:01,820 --> 01:02:07,100
And I struggled with it.
It was a difficult time for me.
603
01:02:07,220 --> 01:02:14,180
It just became trouble and that's not
how that music scene started.
604
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:20,860
We just wanted unison and wanted
everyone to have fun and that stopped.
605
01:02:32,940 --> 01:02:36,500
Everyone wanted me to take a picture.
606
01:02:36,620 --> 01:02:40,980
And suddenly they all put their hands up.
607
01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:43,860
It had nothing to do with the party.
608
01:02:43,980 --> 01:02:48,700
It made it extremely difficult for me,
because they all started doing that.
609
01:02:55,740 --> 01:03:00,380
It was too bad and not fair
to the normal hardcore fans.
610
01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:04,220
But luckily Gabber Piet solved it for us.
611
01:03:04,340 --> 01:03:08,380
Gabber Piet became famous
and turned it into a joke.
612
01:03:28,220 --> 01:03:33,780
This was the end of the scene.
613
01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:38,540
You couldn't wear your tracksuit
and bald head with pride anymore.
614
01:03:49,780 --> 01:03:51,340
Thunderdome slowly died.
615
01:03:54,220 --> 01:03:57,020
The brotherhood,
the "us" feeling was gone.
616
01:04:08,580 --> 01:04:12,860
Because the hardcore scene died,
I just quit.
617
01:04:12,980 --> 01:04:18,300
I was done with it and a lot
had happened between us.
618
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:24,100
-I was the traitor because I stopped.
-Hardcore is in here.
619
01:04:24,220 --> 01:04:29,020
For me it meant I wasn't part of
the Dreamteam anymore.
620
01:04:29,140 --> 01:04:32,860
It had nothing to do
with the Dreamteam itself.
621
01:04:35,620 --> 01:04:40,380
Thunder Magazine ended,
I'd given up one of my jobs.
622
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:43,740
And my wife left me in that period.
623
01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:50,100
But you didn't want that. And I did.
624
01:04:50,220 --> 01:04:55,060
You wanted to continue as Dreamteam
and I didn't let that happen.
625
01:04:57,580 --> 01:05:00,700
For me that period is a bit blurry.
626
01:05:00,820 --> 01:05:03,340
I don't think I was really present.
627
01:05:04,740 --> 01:05:08,220
At one point it just became
more and more and more.
628
01:05:08,340 --> 01:05:12,780
As long as you didn't have to go home
or sleep and had a distraction.
629
01:05:14,940 --> 01:05:21,340
You weren't there or too late. And when
you were there, you hid under your desk
630
01:05:21,460 --> 01:05:23,580
totally high.
631
01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:26,980
Work all night, take a shower
and keep going.
632
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:29,940
I was done and wanted something else.
633
01:05:30,060 --> 01:05:34,260
We all did other things
and it was the right thing.
634
01:05:34,380 --> 01:05:37,700
But then it changed
and it wasn't right anymore.
635
01:05:44,220 --> 01:05:50,780
Then I had a burn out and a depression
and ended up in counselling groups.
636
01:05:54,860 --> 01:05:57,980
I had a distorted idea about everything.
637
01:05:59,820 --> 01:06:01,620
I couldn't do it anymore.
638
01:06:27,700 --> 01:06:29,460
We seemed beaten.
639
01:06:30,820 --> 01:06:32,700
This couldn't be the end.
640
01:06:41,820 --> 01:06:44,940
2018, ROESELARE, BELGIUM
641
01:06:45,060 --> 01:06:48,820
Thunderdome is my passion.
642
01:06:48,940 --> 01:06:51,620
It comforts me during hard times.
643
01:06:51,740 --> 01:06:54,220
It has a piece of my heart.
644
01:06:56,740 --> 01:07:02,060
It was like an addiction,
a fun way to escape reality.
645
01:07:02,180 --> 01:07:05,260
Much better than your usual addictions.
646
01:07:06,300 --> 01:07:10,340
It's not just an idea or a CD.
647
01:07:10,460 --> 01:07:17,180
It's a feeling. If you've been at a party,
you know what it's about.
648
01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:21,860
I haven't felt like that at many parties.
649
01:07:21,980 --> 01:07:25,100
It's a special feeling and experience.
650
01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:33,180
SAYING GOODBYE IS HARD TO DO
YOU NEVER LEARN HOW AND NEVER GET IT
651
01:07:34,540 --> 01:07:37,300
Hardcore means everything to me.
652
01:07:37,420 --> 01:07:42,060
I didn't belong anywhere,
until I was 17, 18 years old.
653
01:07:42,180 --> 01:07:45,460
I was smart, had glasses and braces.
654
01:07:45,580 --> 01:07:50,620
I had good and bad friends,
trying to find a place where I belonged.
655
01:07:50,740 --> 01:07:53,340
I was bullied a lot.
656
01:07:53,460 --> 01:07:57,340
The day I became a real hardcore fan
657
01:07:57,460 --> 01:08:01,860
and started going to parties,
I didn't care about the rest anymore.
658
01:08:01,980 --> 01:08:08,220
I did my own thing. All I needed was
the atmosphere, the people and the music.
659
01:08:08,340 --> 01:08:13,060
Even when I was homeless,
music kept me going.
660
01:09:54,820 --> 01:10:00,020
It makes me happy, makes me forget things
I wish weren't there.
661
01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:14,540
Thunderdome is what motivates me.
662
01:10:18,740 --> 01:10:24,380
The unison is bigger at Thunderdome
than at every other concert in the world.
663
01:10:34,460 --> 01:10:39,580
Hardcore slowly died
and at the moment that happened
664
01:10:39,700 --> 01:10:45,580
I came back and had my own company.
665
01:10:45,700 --> 01:10:48,380
I managed Thunderdome.
666
01:10:55,980 --> 01:11:00,380
A new generation of DJ's emerged
who had learned from their predecessors.
667
01:11:00,500 --> 01:11:04,260
DJ Promo, Anarchist, Catscan, Nosferatu
and Demian.
668
01:11:04,380 --> 01:11:07,420
All artists who took over
and had a mission.
669
01:11:07,540 --> 01:11:10,620
Buzz Fuzz and Ruffneck were my examples.
670
01:11:10,740 --> 01:11:16,100
But only at the moment when you happen
to find a new kind of sound
671
01:11:16,220 --> 01:11:20,220
which has a huge impact,
you become the one to watch.
672
01:11:23,700 --> 01:11:26,660
I went to a slow beat, dark, industrial.
673
01:11:26,780 --> 01:11:29,180
Heavy kicks, slow, ponderous.
674
01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:36,220
And like a tsunami my records
were played all over the world.
675
01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:48,660
With this new generation,
the organisation changed as well.
676
01:11:48,780 --> 01:11:51,460
Irfan started working with Gerard.
677
01:11:53,060 --> 01:12:00,020
After the slump in the nineties,
we had to re-invent ourselves.
678
01:12:00,140 --> 01:12:05,340
We had to give a vibe of newness,
we had to be innovative.
679
01:12:05,460 --> 01:12:10,180
We had a lot of competition
and this is what hardcore fans wanted.
680
01:12:10,300 --> 01:12:15,340
Louder, progressive, industrial.
It was right for Thunderdome and for us.
681
01:12:21,900 --> 01:12:27,180
-Musically speaking it was so interesting.
-Where did all those people come from?
682
01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:32,780
Thunderdome is the younger generation
rebelling against an older generation.
683
01:12:40,820 --> 01:12:45,500
Thunderdome was underground, rebellious,
against society.
684
01:12:45,620 --> 01:12:51,780
And Gerard knew how to bring Thunderdome
into the current rebellious era.
685
01:13:05,940 --> 01:13:11,180
We wanted to show the bluntness
of people in relation to Thunderdome
686
01:13:11,300 --> 01:13:15,460
where it was all about the party.
And we probably went too far.
687
01:13:15,580 --> 01:13:19,180
We released the trailer around four p.m.
688
01:13:19,300 --> 01:13:25,700
-That night it was on the news.
-I was immediately called by the city.
689
01:13:25,820 --> 01:13:28,460
Of course I understood what they meant.
690
01:13:30,220 --> 01:13:32,500
It was pretty intense.
691
01:13:32,620 --> 01:13:37,940
We sold out five weeks before the event,
which was pretty special
692
01:13:38,060 --> 01:13:41,780
since hardcore
wasn't that well-known anymore.
693
01:13:46,620 --> 01:13:49,420
In 2007, the whole scene
came together again.
694
01:13:49,540 --> 01:13:55,100
Early industrial, mainstream.
It was a real gathering again.
695
01:13:55,220 --> 01:13:58,580
I want to ask everyone in the room
696
01:13:58,700 --> 01:14:03,020
to place your hand on your neighbour's
shoulder, if you know him or not.
697
01:14:03,140 --> 01:14:06,420
Don't be the tough guy now,
just let it go.
698
01:14:06,540 --> 01:14:09,180
Not for me, but for 3 Steps Ahead.
699
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:14,140
3 Steps Ahead has great music,
but also makes it a real brotherhood.
700
01:14:14,260 --> 01:14:18,180
His shirt with Ajax and Feyenoord
was really special.
701
01:14:18,300 --> 01:14:23,220
With that flashback it just made it
a real brotherhood again.
702
01:14:25,180 --> 01:14:28,820
It's like an extension of your own image.
703
01:14:28,940 --> 01:14:32,820
So you make sure that the people
who bought a ticket
704
01:14:32,940 --> 01:14:34,940
go home with that feeling.
705
01:14:35,060 --> 01:14:38,740
It may not have been that crowded,
but the party was amazing.
706
01:14:38,860 --> 01:14:41,780
Then you score points
and can build your brand.
707
01:14:43,860 --> 01:14:47,940
It kept on going,
with different influences.
708
01:14:48,060 --> 01:14:53,100
There were a lot of people who took it
seriously, not just with Thunderdome.
709
01:14:53,220 --> 01:14:56,700
You had Masters of Hardcore, Pandemonium.
710
01:14:56,820 --> 01:15:02,100
You have Q-Dance with some hardcore,
Dominator started.
711
01:15:02,220 --> 01:15:06,580
In my opinion,
Masters deserved a lot of respect
712
01:15:06,700 --> 01:15:11,300
because they kept on going in that market.
713
01:15:11,420 --> 01:15:17,660
And Thunderdome had become a part
of a big portfolio at ID&T.
714
01:15:17,780 --> 01:15:20,420
People didn't work on it full time.
715
01:15:20,540 --> 01:15:27,180
Things did happen, but no one
worked on it every day, all day.
716
01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:33,980
With all due respect,
but I think that's when it went wrong.
717
01:15:34,100 --> 01:15:40,660
It was no longer a priority,
everyone knew ID&T would be sold to FSX.
718
01:15:40,780 --> 01:15:44,180
Thunderdome was like the odd one out.
719
01:16:00,300 --> 01:16:03,820
I recently went through a lot.
720
01:16:03,940 --> 01:16:08,740
There would be a party,
then it wouldn't happen.
721
01:16:08,860 --> 01:16:12,660
Every year I want to tour
to some festivals.
722
01:16:12,780 --> 01:16:18,940
And I always kept fighting
to keep it alive for those people.
723
01:16:22,140 --> 01:16:26,100
At the big parties
you can prove yourself as an artist.
724
01:16:34,780 --> 01:16:37,860
It was the biggest night party ever
in the Jaarbeurs.
725
01:16:37,980 --> 01:16:44,420
And we looked at it with fresh eyes
and now we have a new framework
726
01:16:44,540 --> 01:16:47,700
to see how we can make it even better.
727
01:16:52,740 --> 01:16:57,180
Thunderdome had a huge influence
on the popularization of hardcore.
728
01:16:57,300 --> 01:17:00,420
That's why Thunderdome
has a piece of my heart.
729
01:17:03,420 --> 01:17:08,580
But we do need time to organise something
that can really make a lasting impression.
730
01:17:22,460 --> 01:17:26,020
I watched the continuation of Thunderdome
from a distance.
731
01:17:27,620 --> 01:17:30,460
It never came back to the old level.
732
01:17:32,380 --> 01:17:35,460
Nights without directions were a failure.
733
01:17:35,580 --> 01:17:38,540
And the audience had already chosen.
734
01:17:39,700 --> 01:17:45,140
And since ID&T had been sold to America,
Thunderdome stopped.
735
01:17:49,300 --> 01:17:52,060
After 20 years of Thunderdome we said:
736
01:17:52,180 --> 01:17:56,420
-This is the end.
-Let's go out with a bang.
737
01:17:56,540 --> 01:17:59,460
Because we were ruining the legacy.
738
01:17:59,580 --> 01:18:04,580
And we partied with that in mind.
And it was just epic.
739
01:18:14,780 --> 01:18:17,900
It defined my entire life.
740
01:18:18,020 --> 01:18:23,580
Disappointments, sadness.
People dying, getting ill.
741
01:18:23,700 --> 01:18:28,100
Fights, robberies, being pressured.
742
01:18:28,220 --> 01:18:35,180
I was betrayed, people who were close to
me stole tens of thousands of guilders.
743
01:18:35,300 --> 01:18:38,340
I wouldn't be here without Thunderdome.
744
01:18:38,460 --> 01:18:42,460
I learned to think big,
we had so much energy.
745
01:18:42,580 --> 01:18:47,420
Without Thunderdome, we wouldn't have had
such an impact on those big parties.
746
01:18:48,540 --> 01:18:53,820
The Netherlands was miles ahead.
And we definitely had to pay our dues.
747
01:19:23,460 --> 01:19:27,780
You don't go to Thunderdome
to score a chick.
748
01:19:27,900 --> 01:19:32,340
It's about what happens
on the dance floor, people in unison.
749
01:19:32,460 --> 01:19:36,900
It's a raw, pure energy
without any bullshit.
750
01:19:37,020 --> 01:19:39,700
That makes Thunderdome special.
751
01:19:39,820 --> 01:19:46,140
-A motherfucking huge Thunderdome.
-Francois has all those people around him.
752
01:19:46,260 --> 01:19:48,380
And that's the flipside.
753
01:19:48,500 --> 01:19:53,580
He is the one who already has it,
he's always had it.
754
01:19:53,700 --> 01:19:55,700
Even before he worked for ID&T.
755
01:19:55,820 --> 01:20:02,140
He's much more the man of Thunderdome
than Duncan and me together.
756
01:20:02,260 --> 01:20:05,580
He kept the flame burning.
757
01:20:05,700 --> 01:20:07,300
That's impressive.
758
01:20:27,900 --> 01:20:30,180
Is the future unsure for Thunderdome?
759
01:20:34,260 --> 01:20:38,500
If you ask me it isn't,
because it's all up to you.
760
01:20:40,260 --> 01:20:45,500
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761
01:20:50,580 --> 01:20:54,820
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