0 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:15,000 YoubetCash.vip Agen Judi Online Aman & Terpercaya 000 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:25,000 Bonus Cashback Bola 6% Bonus Rollingan 0,80% 1 00:01:03,146 --> 00:01:04,981 Bicentennial hats here! 2 00:01:07,692 --> 00:01:09,235 Bicentennial hats. 3 00:01:09,986 --> 00:01:12,072 Excuse me, do you feel patriotic? 4 00:01:12,530 --> 00:01:15,325 Patriotic is... is not the real feeling that I have right now. 5 00:01:15,408 --> 00:01:18,328 People like bicentennial hats, I sell 'em bicentennial hats. 6 00:01:18,411 --> 00:01:19,411 Uh-huh. 7 00:01:19,662 --> 00:01:22,540 Ladies and gentlemen, of this beautiful day 8 00:01:22,624 --> 00:01:26,878 and this bicentennial day, right here, downtown in New York City, 9 00:01:26,961 --> 00:01:28,046 ladies and gentlemen. 10 00:01:28,129 --> 00:01:31,132 Joseph Hurdley Jr., songwriter of New York City. 11 00:01:31,257 --> 00:01:34,803 Otherwise, Uncle Sam is going to sing 12 00:01:34,928 --> 00:01:38,306 one of his versions of "The Star-Spangled Banner." 13 00:01:38,389 --> 00:01:42,102 Ladies and gentlemen, "The Star-Spangled Banner" with new music. 14 00:01:42,185 --> 00:01:45,939 Words by Francis Scott Key and music by Joseph Hurdley Jr., 15 00:01:46,022 --> 00:01:49,150 dedicated to the future of America, God save the republic. 16 00:01:49,234 --> 00:01:50,568 Are you ready, maestro? 17 00:01:50,652 --> 00:01:52,695 No maestros? I'll sing it myself. 18 00:01:52,862 --> 00:01:55,949 ♪ O say, can you see By the dawn's early light ♪ 19 00:01:56,116 --> 00:01:57,408 It's one dollar. 20 00:01:58,368 --> 00:01:59,661 Get your copies here. 21 00:01:59,828 --> 00:02:02,109 I've got four versions of... 22 00:02:03,206 --> 00:02:06,709 ♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man ♪ 23 00:02:06,793 --> 00:02:09,087 ♪ Play a song for me ♪ 24 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:15,802 ♪ I'm not sleepy And there is no place I'm going to ♪ 25 00:02:17,554 --> 00:02:20,974 ♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man ♪ 26 00:02:21,141 --> 00:02:23,768 ♪ Play a song for me ♪ 27 00:02:24,477 --> 00:02:27,480 ♪ In the jingle jangle morning ♪ 28 00:02:27,647 --> 00:02:30,942 ♪ I'll come followin' you ♪ 29 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:36,656 ♪ Though I know that evenin's empire ♪ 30 00:02:37,115 --> 00:02:40,160 ♪ Has returned into sand... ♪ 31 00:02:40,910 --> 00:02:43,037 We're gathered in this historic house 32 00:02:43,121 --> 00:02:46,708 for the celebration of the 200th anniversary 33 00:02:46,791 --> 00:02:48,126 of the United States, 34 00:02:49,210 --> 00:02:52,172 but I refer to the words that were spoken 35 00:02:52,255 --> 00:02:56,801 by those who at the time of the Declaration of Independence 36 00:02:57,468 --> 00:02:59,846 thought of the mission of America, 37 00:02:59,929 --> 00:03:01,806 what America could mean to the world. 38 00:03:02,932 --> 00:03:07,896 And one of them said that we act not just for ourselves, 39 00:03:08,104 --> 00:03:09,647 but for all mankind. 40 00:03:09,772 --> 00:03:13,401 ♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man ♪ 41 00:03:13,484 --> 00:03:15,528 ♪ Play a song for me... ♪ 42 00:03:15,653 --> 00:03:17,197 Saigon had fallen. 43 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,742 People had seemed to, uh, lost their sense of, 44 00:03:20,825 --> 00:03:22,285 uh, conviction for... 45 00:03:22,535 --> 00:03:24,329 for just about anything. 46 00:03:24,412 --> 00:03:27,457 ♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man... ♪ 47 00:03:27,749 --> 00:03:29,876 Lot of arguments about why... 48 00:03:30,627 --> 00:03:32,629 America was chased out of Vietnam... 49 00:03:34,130 --> 00:03:35,632 in such a humiliating way. 50 00:03:36,341 --> 00:03:39,469 Two people tried to shoot the president in one month. 51 00:03:39,552 --> 00:03:43,389 ♪ Take me on a trip Upon your magic... ♪ 52 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,143 Let us set for our goal in 1976 53 00:03:47,268 --> 00:03:50,355 to move forward in the realm of the American spirit. 54 00:03:50,438 --> 00:03:52,398 ♪ My hands can't feel to grip ♪ 55 00:03:52,482 --> 00:03:55,443 That the opportunity that everybody in this room has had... 56 00:03:56,027 --> 00:04:00,365 is something that is a realizable dream 57 00:04:00,448 --> 00:04:01,783 that can be achieved 58 00:04:02,325 --> 00:04:05,662 for anyone who has the good fortune to be born in this country, 59 00:04:06,454 --> 00:04:09,499 or anyone who has the good fortune to come to this country. 60 00:04:09,582 --> 00:04:13,878 ♪ Ready for to fade Into my own parade... ♪ 61 00:04:14,337 --> 00:04:16,297 The idea was to put a tour up, 62 00:04:16,381 --> 00:04:20,635 combination of different acts on the same stage 63 00:04:21,511 --> 00:04:24,764 for a variety of, uh, musical styles. 64 00:04:25,974 --> 00:04:29,102 I wouldn't say it was a, uh, traditional revue, 65 00:04:29,185 --> 00:04:32,897 but it was in the, uh, traditional... um... 66 00:04:34,524 --> 00:04:36,150 form of, uh, of a revue. 67 00:04:36,234 --> 00:04:38,069 That's all clumsy bullshit. 68 00:04:38,152 --> 00:04:39,445 - Okay. - Y'know. 69 00:04:39,529 --> 00:04:41,590 - So what... - I'm trying to get to the... 70 00:04:41,614 --> 00:04:43,074 To the core thing. 71 00:04:43,157 --> 00:04:46,494 To the core of what this Rolling Thunder thing is all about, 72 00:04:46,828 --> 00:04:48,663 and I don't have a clue, 73 00:04:48,788 --> 00:04:50,498 because it's not... It's about nothing. 74 00:04:50,581 --> 00:04:53,209 It's a... It's just something that happened 40 years ago. 75 00:04:53,293 --> 00:04:54,877 And that's the truth of it. 76 00:04:54,961 --> 00:04:56,814 - Why don't we go down that road? - Okay, we can. 77 00:04:56,838 --> 00:04:58,158 Let's go. 78 00:04:58,214 --> 00:04:59,048 All right, let's go. 79 00:04:59,132 --> 00:05:00,972 I don't remember a thing about Rolling Thunder. 80 00:05:01,009 --> 00:05:02,903 - Okay. - I mean, it... it happened 81 00:05:02,927 --> 00:05:05,763 so long ago, I wasn't even born, you know? 82 00:05:05,847 --> 00:05:08,850 Uh, I... So, what do you wanna know? 83 00:05:08,933 --> 00:05:11,978 ♪ And take me disappearing ♪ 84 00:05:12,270 --> 00:05:15,273 ♪ Through the smoke rings of my mind ♪ 85 00:05:15,815 --> 00:05:19,277 ♪ Down the foggy ruins of time ♪ 86 00:05:19,569 --> 00:05:22,905 ♪ Far past the frozen leaves ♪ 87 00:05:23,156 --> 00:05:26,534 ♪ The haunted, frightened trees ♪ 88 00:05:26,617 --> 00:05:29,746 ♪ Out to the windy beach ♪ 89 00:05:30,163 --> 00:05:35,543 ♪ Far from the twisted reach Of crazy sorrow ♪ 90 00:05:36,961 --> 00:05:40,423 ♪ Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky ♪ 91 00:05:40,506 --> 00:05:43,760 ♪ With one hand waving free ♪ 92 00:05:43,968 --> 00:05:47,096 ♪ Silhouetted by the sea ♪ 93 00:05:47,430 --> 00:05:50,808 ♪ Circled by the circus sands ♪ 94 00:05:50,975 --> 00:05:54,354 ♪ With all memory and fate ♪ 95 00:05:54,562 --> 00:05:57,648 ♪ Driven deep beneath the waves ♪ 96 00:05:57,857 --> 00:06:03,404 ♪ Let me forget about today Until tomorrow ♪ 97 00:06:05,406 --> 00:06:08,951 ♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man ♪ 98 00:06:09,118 --> 00:06:11,662 ♪ Play a song for me ♪ 99 00:06:11,996 --> 00:06:13,414 ♪ I'm not sleepy... ♪ 100 00:06:13,498 --> 00:06:16,042 Is that Bob Dylan? That is Bob Dylan! 101 00:06:16,125 --> 00:06:18,294 Life isn't about finding yourself... 102 00:06:18,753 --> 00:06:21,756 or finding anything. Life is about creating yourself. 103 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,318 - Playing tonight? - And creating things. 104 00:06:24,342 --> 00:06:26,427 And I want to introduce another fine... 105 00:06:26,803 --> 00:06:28,721 entertainer here at Folk City, 106 00:06:28,930 --> 00:06:30,014 so everybody... 107 00:06:30,348 --> 00:06:32,767 Summer, 1975. 108 00:06:32,850 --> 00:06:34,811 It was a very odd scene in New York. 109 00:06:35,395 --> 00:06:38,731 Unusual. Sort of. The folk era had died out. Or did it? 110 00:06:39,524 --> 00:06:40,900 Joan Baez 111 00:06:40,983 --> 00:06:42,693 and her friend Bob Dylan! 112 00:06:42,777 --> 00:06:44,362 Let's have a nice hand for Joan Baez... 113 00:06:44,445 --> 00:06:47,615 Rumor came around that the inspired Dylan was back, 114 00:06:47,698 --> 00:06:49,492 gathering all... all his forces. 115 00:06:49,742 --> 00:06:52,537 ♪ When ev'rything that I'm sayin' ♪ 116 00:06:53,121 --> 00:06:59,168 ♪ You can say it just as good ♪ 117 00:06:59,252 --> 00:07:00,252 Woo! 118 00:07:01,462 --> 00:07:03,302 And pretty soon, they were all jamming together 119 00:07:03,339 --> 00:07:06,050 as if they were young musicians having fun, 120 00:07:06,134 --> 00:07:08,010 actually in direct contact with each other. 121 00:07:08,469 --> 00:07:12,557 ♪ And all the hills echoèd ♪ 122 00:07:13,015 --> 00:07:17,353 ♪ And all the hills echoèd ♪ 123 00:07:17,437 --> 00:07:19,772 ♪ My name is Juanano de Castro ♪ 124 00:07:24,026 --> 00:07:24,902 Lord... 125 00:07:24,986 --> 00:07:27,029 ♪ My father was a Spanish grandee ♪ 126 00:07:29,490 --> 00:07:30,783 Excuse me, please! 127 00:07:30,867 --> 00:07:33,067 We're really running short of time. I wanna introduce... 128 00:07:33,536 --> 00:07:35,371 Miss Patti Smith and Eric Anderson. 129 00:07:35,455 --> 00:07:36,831 Let's have a nice hand. 130 00:07:36,914 --> 00:07:39,167 Let's hear it! Get up here! 131 00:07:39,250 --> 00:07:40,501 There was a... 132 00:07:41,961 --> 00:07:43,463 There was an archer... 133 00:07:44,672 --> 00:07:47,508 There was an archer who was in love with his sister. 134 00:07:48,176 --> 00:07:50,094 So, the archer looked at his sister 135 00:07:50,636 --> 00:07:51,636 and he said, 136 00:07:53,306 --> 00:07:57,101 "All the madness between me and you is real private." 137 00:07:58,186 --> 00:08:01,481 But the sister was too scared, so the sister... 138 00:08:02,356 --> 00:08:06,444 the sister put down her cigarette and she married the sultan. 139 00:08:07,236 --> 00:08:10,865 So the archer became a... the archer for the king. 140 00:08:11,824 --> 00:08:14,952 So, it was the wedding night, and the sultan and the sister 141 00:08:15,036 --> 00:08:16,454 were gonna get married. 142 00:08:16,913 --> 00:08:17,955 And so... 143 00:08:19,081 --> 00:08:22,126 the archer went out the door, and he had on his armor, 144 00:08:22,335 --> 00:08:24,712 and he was going. There was all, like... 145 00:08:24,837 --> 00:08:28,216 You know how like the gran... ground was in 16th-century Japan? 146 00:08:28,674 --> 00:08:30,760 It was black and green like a chessboard. 147 00:08:31,093 --> 00:08:34,555 So the archer was walking on the black part of the chessboard, 148 00:08:34,805 --> 00:08:36,933 and he looked at the black part of the chessboard, 149 00:08:37,016 --> 00:08:39,477 and it looked like the back of his sister's hair. 150 00:08:39,644 --> 00:08:41,187 And so... 151 00:08:41,979 --> 00:08:43,147 You know how it is. 152 00:08:43,439 --> 00:08:44,899 Yeah. 153 00:08:44,982 --> 00:08:47,944 Anyway, it looked... Oh, what a mess. 154 00:08:48,361 --> 00:08:50,530 Looked like the back of his sister's hair, 155 00:08:50,655 --> 00:08:53,574 and so he couldn't advance and be the king's archer no more, 156 00:08:53,658 --> 00:08:56,911 because he looked over at the palace, and over at the palace, 157 00:08:57,036 --> 00:08:59,121 he saw his sister undressing 158 00:08:59,205 --> 00:09:00,205 for the sultan. 159 00:09:00,331 --> 00:09:03,709 So the prince took off a... took off all his armor, 160 00:09:03,793 --> 00:09:06,170 and he started walking toward the palace. 161 00:09:06,254 --> 00:09:08,631 He started walking in another direction, 162 00:09:08,714 --> 00:09:11,259 started walking in another dimension, 163 00:09:11,342 --> 00:09:13,678 started walking in another dimension. 164 00:09:13,803 --> 00:09:16,055 He moved in another dimension. 165 00:09:16,305 --> 00:09:19,600 ♪ I move in another dimension ♪ 166 00:09:19,767 --> 00:09:23,479 ♪ I move in another dimension ♪ 167 00:09:23,604 --> 00:09:26,983 ♪ I move in another dimension ♪ 168 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,152 ♪ I move in another dimension ♪ 169 00:09:30,236 --> 00:09:34,031 ♪ And he kept on walking ♪ 170 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,242 ♪ And he walked real slow ♪ 171 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:41,789 ♪ Here is the first archer ♪ 172 00:09:42,957 --> 00:09:45,042 ♪ In rock 'n' roll ♪ 173 00:09:46,794 --> 00:09:49,463 ♪ He walked toward the palace ♪ 174 00:09:50,673 --> 00:09:53,509 ♪ Toward the palace of answers ♪ 175 00:09:54,594 --> 00:09:56,596 ♪ He took big steps ♪ 176 00:09:58,514 --> 00:10:00,725 ♪ He took big steps ♪ 177 00:10:02,518 --> 00:10:04,812 ♪ He walked seven ways ♪ 178 00:10:06,230 --> 00:10:08,649 ♪ He walked seven ways ♪ 179 00:10:08,983 --> 00:10:10,484 ♪ He freed the elements ♪ 180 00:10:10,568 --> 00:10:14,030 ♪ The hurricane just burst From his hands ♪ 181 00:10:17,283 --> 00:10:19,577 ♪ You are my sunshine ♪ 182 00:10:19,702 --> 00:10:22,163 - ♪ My only sunshine ♪ - Let's go! 183 00:10:22,496 --> 00:10:25,333 ♪ You make me happy ♪ 184 00:10:25,416 --> 00:10:27,835 - ♪ When skies are gray ♪ - Whoopee! 185 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,714 ♪ You'll never know, dear How much I... ♪ 186 00:10:31,797 --> 00:10:33,424 October, November, uh... 187 00:10:33,507 --> 00:10:35,843 Dylan might have some idea to do something. 188 00:10:36,135 --> 00:10:38,429 Sort of like a... con man, 189 00:10:38,512 --> 00:10:40,598 carny medicine show of old, 190 00:10:40,723 --> 00:10:42,534 where you just get in a bus and go from town... 191 00:10:42,558 --> 00:10:44,310 or a carriage, and go from town to town. 192 00:10:44,769 --> 00:10:49,690 It's like Dylan is taking us out to try and give us each... He's presenting us. 193 00:10:49,857 --> 00:10:52,526 I mean, that's his conception. I mean, it hasn't been made overt. 194 00:10:52,610 --> 00:10:54,528 His idea is, uh... 195 00:10:55,154 --> 00:10:57,365 to show how beautiful he is... 196 00:10:57,448 --> 00:10:59,825 ...by showing how beautiful we are... 197 00:11:00,242 --> 00:11:01,827 by showing how beautiful... 198 00:11:03,454 --> 00:11:04,622 the ensemble is. 199 00:11:05,164 --> 00:11:07,583 So, it's to show the actual community. 200 00:11:08,250 --> 00:11:11,545 Which is way... the way... the way life is, the way that life of poets is. 201 00:11:11,629 --> 00:11:13,798 ♪ I live in an apartment ♪ 202 00:11:13,881 --> 00:11:15,675 ♪ Sink leaks through the walls ♪ 203 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,677 ♪ Lower East Side full of bedbugs ♪ 204 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,637 ♪ Junkies in the halls ♪ 205 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,597 ♪ House been broken into ♪ 206 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:23,641 ♪ Tibetan thangkas stole ♪ 207 00:11:23,724 --> 00:11:25,559 ♪ Speed freaks took my statues ♪ 208 00:11:25,643 --> 00:11:27,478 ♪ And made my love a fool ♪ 209 00:11:27,561 --> 00:11:29,522 ♪ Speed freaks took my statues ♪ 210 00:11:29,605 --> 00:11:32,733 ♪ And made my love a fool ♪ 211 00:11:35,111 --> 00:11:37,238 - Do you wanna hear more or...? - Yeah. 212 00:11:37,321 --> 00:11:38,864 I got this big audition. 213 00:11:39,448 --> 00:11:42,576 There was this party at Allen Ginsberg's apartment. 214 00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:44,420 And that's where you met Dylan? 215 00:11:44,453 --> 00:11:45,453 Uh, yes. 216 00:11:46,247 --> 00:11:49,458 - What did you think of him? - Uh, Dylan was fine. 217 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:52,470 There were all these crazy people, 218 00:11:52,503 --> 00:11:54,338 all getting high and coming up to him 219 00:11:54,422 --> 00:11:57,466 and spinning faster and faster, and Bob didn't react. 220 00:11:57,717 --> 00:11:59,802 I think he just, uh, watched the whole thing. 221 00:11:59,885 --> 00:12:01,470 I think he liked the chaos. 222 00:12:01,554 --> 00:12:05,516 ♪ I am a rake and a rambling boy ♪ 223 00:12:06,517 --> 00:12:10,938 ♪ There's many a city I did enjoy ♪ 224 00:12:11,021 --> 00:12:16,402 - Woo! - ♪ But now I married me a better wife ♪ 225 00:12:17,069 --> 00:12:21,198 ♪ And I love her dearer Than I love my life ♪ 226 00:12:27,455 --> 00:12:30,082 My idea was to have a kind of a jug band, 227 00:12:30,166 --> 00:12:31,584 uh, for the whole show, 228 00:12:32,126 --> 00:12:37,631 something, uh, along the lines of maybe, uh, Kweskin Jug Band... 229 00:12:38,674 --> 00:12:39,674 but that didn't happen. 230 00:12:42,219 --> 00:12:45,556 They were in the middle of the rehearsals at SIR Studio, 231 00:12:45,639 --> 00:12:50,060 and I talked to Levy, and he asked Dylan if it was all right for me to shoot 232 00:12:50,144 --> 00:12:51,604 B-roll of the rehearsal. 233 00:12:52,062 --> 00:12:55,733 Dylan was all right with it, but Levy told me there was no budget. 234 00:12:55,816 --> 00:12:58,611 Because I thought that this was really going to go somewhere, 235 00:12:58,694 --> 00:13:00,112 I took all the money that I had, 236 00:13:00,196 --> 00:13:02,740 and I paid for everything out of my own pocket. 237 00:13:05,034 --> 00:13:07,721 - Did Bob like you? - I don't know, who knows? 238 00:13:07,745 --> 00:13:09,622 He was... It was like looking into a mirror. 239 00:13:09,705 --> 00:13:11,499 You either saw what you wanted to see, 240 00:13:11,582 --> 00:13:13,083 or you hated what you saw. 241 00:13:13,584 --> 00:13:16,337 I can tell you this, back then I used to smoke, 242 00:13:16,420 --> 00:13:18,214 and I held my cigarette like this, 243 00:13:18,297 --> 00:13:19,924 you know, the European style. 244 00:13:20,216 --> 00:13:23,928 After that night at Ginsberg's, Bob started holding it like that, too. 245 00:13:24,220 --> 00:13:25,262 That was me. 246 00:13:25,346 --> 00:13:27,306 ♪ Rita May, Rita May ♪ 247 00:13:28,891 --> 00:13:30,893 ♪ How did you ever get that way? ♪ 248 00:13:32,812 --> 00:13:34,688 ♪ When'd you ever see the light? ♪ 249 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,526 ♪ Don't you ever feel afraid? ♪ 250 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:42,905 ♪ You got me burning and a-turning ♪ 251 00:13:42,988 --> 00:13:44,740 ♪ But I know I must be learning ♪ 252 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:45,824 ♪ Rita May ♪ 253 00:13:49,328 --> 00:13:52,665 ♪ And I don't sense affection ♪ 254 00:13:52,748 --> 00:13:55,251 ♪ No gratitude or love ♪ 255 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,588 ♪ Your loyalty is not to me ♪ 256 00:13:59,672 --> 00:14:02,508 - ♪ But to the stars above ♪ - Yeah! 257 00:14:03,551 --> 00:14:08,097 ♪ One more cup of coffee for the road ♪ 258 00:14:10,891 --> 00:14:15,271 ♪ One more cup of coffee 'fore I go ♪ 259 00:14:16,772 --> 00:14:19,191 ♪ To the valley below ♪ 260 00:14:21,902 --> 00:14:25,197 I was going to a jazz musician friend of mine house 261 00:14:25,281 --> 00:14:26,615 in the Lower East Side, 262 00:14:26,991 --> 00:14:31,829 and I was just about to cross the street, and a car cut me off. 263 00:14:33,122 --> 00:14:34,122 It was Bob. 264 00:14:34,456 --> 00:14:35,541 It was Dylan. 265 00:14:37,126 --> 00:14:38,126 And... 266 00:14:39,461 --> 00:14:40,838 It was never verbalized. 267 00:14:40,963 --> 00:14:43,257 I knew who he was, or he knew I knew. 268 00:14:43,424 --> 00:14:45,676 Just sort of passed, you know. 269 00:14:47,052 --> 00:14:50,431 We just played music all day and all night. 270 00:14:50,598 --> 00:14:54,393 We went to The Bottom Line and played with Muddy Waters, 271 00:14:54,810 --> 00:14:58,022 and we went that night to Victoria Spivey's house. 272 00:14:58,606 --> 00:15:00,357 She's an old blues singer. 273 00:15:01,066 --> 00:15:02,066 And, um... 274 00:15:02,234 --> 00:15:06,405 we played music till about six in the morning. 275 00:15:06,488 --> 00:15:07,740 It was really great. 276 00:15:07,865 --> 00:15:10,034 She wears a turtle... 277 00:15:10,117 --> 00:15:13,245 ♪ She wears a turtleneck sweater ♪ 278 00:15:13,329 --> 00:15:15,122 ♪ And a nylon shoe ♪ 279 00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:20,377 ♪ She wears a turtleneck sweater ♪ 280 00:15:21,086 --> 00:15:23,505 ♪ And a nylon shoe ♪ 281 00:15:26,175 --> 00:15:28,302 ♪ There's nothing she won't say ♪ 282 00:15:28,385 --> 00:15:30,888 ♪ And there's nothing that she won't do ♪ 283 00:15:35,017 --> 00:15:39,021 There are 52 people. If each person asks him is he okay, 284 00:15:39,730 --> 00:15:42,983 it becomes a long, hard question and answer period for him. 285 00:15:43,150 --> 00:15:44,902 Is the light bothering him? 286 00:15:45,194 --> 00:15:46,487 Is the guitar right? 287 00:15:46,737 --> 00:15:48,072 Does he like the lighting? 288 00:15:48,155 --> 00:15:49,657 Is the sound monitor okay? 289 00:15:49,907 --> 00:15:53,077 He's a big man, and he knows what he wants. 290 00:15:53,327 --> 00:15:55,371 ♪ No llores, mi querida ♪ 291 00:15:56,121 --> 00:15:57,998 ♪ Dios nos vigila ♪ 292 00:15:58,707 --> 00:16:03,087 ♪ Soon the horse will take us to Durango ♪ 293 00:16:04,254 --> 00:16:05,881 Five ten. 294 00:16:06,632 --> 00:16:07,992 - Five ten? - Yeah. 295 00:16:09,259 --> 00:16:10,259 So what does he do? 296 00:16:10,803 --> 00:16:12,972 He's a director. 297 00:16:13,347 --> 00:16:14,181 Theater. 298 00:16:14,264 --> 00:16:15,264 Theater? 299 00:16:16,308 --> 00:16:17,476 But that's not... 300 00:16:17,559 --> 00:16:20,396 That's why I'm saying it's tricky because it's not marriage, is it? 301 00:16:20,479 --> 00:16:21,998 I mean, unless you actually make it... 302 00:16:22,022 --> 00:16:24,274 Well, I mean, maybe marriage to the theater. 303 00:16:25,734 --> 00:16:26,860 But when you said marriage, 304 00:16:26,944 --> 00:16:29,780 I assumed you... you meant marriage between two people. 305 00:16:30,531 --> 00:16:31,365 - Yeah. - Did you? 306 00:16:31,448 --> 00:16:32,825 Well, no, mental marriage. 307 00:16:33,242 --> 00:16:34,952 - Mental marriage? - Yeah. 308 00:16:35,411 --> 00:16:37,955 Ah, well, that's interesting. 309 00:16:41,417 --> 00:16:43,919 ♪ Some speak of the future ♪ 310 00:16:45,379 --> 00:16:47,798 ♪ My love, she speaks softly ♪ 311 00:16:48,507 --> 00:16:51,844 ♪ 'Cause there's no success like failure ♪ 312 00:16:52,302 --> 00:16:55,556 ♪ And failure's no success at all ♪ 313 00:16:57,558 --> 00:16:58,600 Hey! 314 00:16:59,101 --> 00:17:01,821 I'm doing a... a thing on a tour for Rolling Stone magazine. 315 00:17:01,854 --> 00:17:02,998 - Yes. - Okay? 316 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:05,107 And... And basically, I saw Bob leave, 317 00:17:05,566 --> 00:17:09,945 uh, after that... uh, um, the dialogue you did with him, the marriage thing. 318 00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:10,904 Yes. 319 00:17:10,988 --> 00:17:14,616 And he said to one of the cameramen, "That is hot. That was a hot scene." 320 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:16,511 - Okay. - Oh, I'm really flattered. I'm touched. 321 00:17:16,535 --> 00:17:18,871 Okay, now, look, I... I... I just wanna know, 322 00:17:19,163 --> 00:17:21,182 how did... how did it happen? I mean, was it set up? 323 00:17:21,206 --> 00:17:22,966 - It happened... No. - Was it a set up scene? 324 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,376 It was totally spontaneous. 325 00:17:24,752 --> 00:17:26,545 I was on my way to the bathroom... 326 00:17:26,712 --> 00:17:27,588 Yeah. 327 00:17:27,671 --> 00:17:31,759 ...when, uh, on my way, uh, Mel Howard introduced me to Bob Dylan. 328 00:17:31,925 --> 00:17:34,053 What... What did you say? And what was your point... 329 00:17:34,136 --> 00:17:36,072 - What did I say to... - In the conversation to Bob? 330 00:17:36,096 --> 00:17:38,474 Well, it was a sort of free... 331 00:17:39,933 --> 00:17:42,037 - uh, going from one thing to another. - Freewheeling? 332 00:17:42,061 --> 00:17:43,163 - Freewheeling. - It wasn't... 333 00:17:43,187 --> 00:17:45,856 It wasn't meant to be specifically... specifically that. 334 00:17:45,939 --> 00:17:47,699 Yeah, but you started talking about marriage. 335 00:17:47,733 --> 00:17:48,901 Out of the blue, 336 00:17:48,984 --> 00:17:51,445 - the subject of marriage came up. - But what did you say? 337 00:17:51,528 --> 00:17:55,115 ♪ Come gather 'round, fellers ♪ 338 00:17:55,324 --> 00:18:00,537 ♪ So young and so fine ♪ 339 00:18:01,455 --> 00:18:04,666 ♪ And seek not your fortune ♪ 340 00:18:05,501 --> 00:18:09,171 ♪ Down in the mine ♪ 341 00:18:10,422 --> 00:18:12,257 ♪ It will form... ♪ 342 00:18:12,424 --> 00:18:16,053 Was the idea to make a behind-the-scenes film of the tour? 343 00:18:16,136 --> 00:18:18,136 I think that's what they were expecting. 344 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:20,891 They just thought that I was going to make it a concert film, 345 00:18:20,974 --> 00:18:23,414 but I was trying to make something really serious out of this. 346 00:18:23,936 --> 00:18:27,189 First, what I wanted to show was musicians working together, 347 00:18:27,272 --> 00:18:28,524 making music together. 348 00:18:28,732 --> 00:18:30,234 That was them doing their job. 349 00:18:30,567 --> 00:18:31,777 That was, you know, 350 00:18:31,860 --> 00:18:34,988 that was as if I went to film my father in his shoe store. 351 00:18:35,489 --> 00:18:36,489 Focus in on that. 352 00:18:37,616 --> 00:18:38,867 What is that, Patti? 353 00:18:38,951 --> 00:18:41,203 I seen th... this Rimbaud book, 354 00:18:41,453 --> 00:18:43,163 and I saw this picture. 355 00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:45,916 I saw this vogue picture, and I thought it looked like you, 356 00:18:45,999 --> 00:18:48,001 - and I thought he was a neat guy, y'know? - Yeah? 357 00:18:48,085 --> 00:18:51,797 And I thought you were neat, so I used to, like, pretend he was my boyfriend. 358 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,341 Or if... Or if you were. You know, it doesn't matter, right? 359 00:18:54,424 --> 00:18:55,259 So anyway... 360 00:18:55,342 --> 00:18:56,426 What did you say? 361 00:18:56,510 --> 00:18:57,761 - What did I say? - Yeah. 362 00:18:57,970 --> 00:19:00,681 I gave my thoughts on... 363 00:19:00,764 --> 00:19:03,267 He spoke about mental marriage. 364 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:05,036 - When he asked me... - Mental marriage? 365 00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:06,979 Uh, Superman takes a piece of coal, 366 00:19:07,062 --> 00:19:09,648 and he puts it in his hand, and he starts squeezing it, 367 00:19:09,731 --> 00:19:11,942 and squeezing it, and squeezing it, and squeezing it, 368 00:19:12,025 --> 00:19:13,425 and then it becomes like a diamond. 369 00:19:13,485 --> 00:19:14,485 - It's real hard. - Yeah. 370 00:19:14,528 --> 00:19:16,280 And then, like, he drops it on the ground, 371 00:19:16,363 --> 00:19:17,674 - on the baseball diamond. - Yeah. 372 00:19:17,698 --> 00:19:20,258 And the kids, the kids keep kicking it, the kids keep kicking it. 373 00:19:20,284 --> 00:19:21,804 - Yeah. - Then it goes round and round. 374 00:19:21,869 --> 00:19:23,909 And after years and years of kids kicking it around, 375 00:19:23,954 --> 00:19:26,456 it gets smooth, but it's not... It's just changed. 376 00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:29,418 It's still the same crystal, but it's smooth, so it's a crystal ball. 377 00:19:29,501 --> 00:19:30,941 So it's sitting there in the middle, 378 00:19:31,003 --> 00:19:33,815 the crystal ball is sitting there in the middle of the baseball diamond. 379 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:35,279 - Right. - Okay? Now you can look in. 380 00:19:39,469 --> 00:19:41,889 I hated the ristelaars... 381 00:19:42,097 --> 00:19:44,141 the, you know, the... the facilitators. 382 00:19:44,224 --> 00:19:46,518 You know, the... the people hanging around him. 383 00:19:46,727 --> 00:19:49,021 People pretending that they had access, 384 00:19:49,104 --> 00:19:50,772 so that they could behave badly. 385 00:19:51,064 --> 00:19:52,649 This film was going to show 386 00:19:52,733 --> 00:19:56,236 the counterpoint between the... the excesses of the people 387 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,031 on the tour and the dissolution of society. 388 00:19:59,281 --> 00:20:01,450 - Come on, everybody. - Allen! 389 00:20:01,533 --> 00:20:03,911 I wanted to show the land of Pet Rocks 390 00:20:03,994 --> 00:20:06,371 and Super Slurpees from 7-Eleven. 391 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:08,415 L'Amérique insolite. 392 00:20:09,499 --> 00:20:12,836 I would go on the road with the Rolling Thunder Revue. 393 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,379 Right here. 394 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:17,341 See you Thursday. 395 00:20:19,301 --> 00:20:22,804 This is a true story. Actually, they're all true. 396 00:20:23,639 --> 00:20:26,350 Boy. Sure hope we get to Boston on time. 397 00:20:43,825 --> 00:20:45,327 ♪ I married Isis ♪ 398 00:20:45,577 --> 00:20:47,079 ♪ On the fifth day of May ♪ 399 00:20:47,663 --> 00:20:49,498 ♪ But I could not hold on ♪ 400 00:20:49,957 --> 00:20:51,250 ♪ To her very long ♪ 401 00:20:51,792 --> 00:20:53,335 ♪ So I cut off my hair ♪ 402 00:20:53,835 --> 00:20:55,462 ♪ And I rode straight away ♪ 403 00:20:55,921 --> 00:20:57,756 ♪ For the wild, unknown country ♪ 404 00:20:57,839 --> 00:20:59,591 ♪ Where I could not go wrong ♪ 405 00:21:00,175 --> 00:21:01,969 ♪ I came to a high place ♪ 406 00:21:02,261 --> 00:21:03,804 ♪ Of darkness and light ♪ 407 00:21:04,137 --> 00:21:06,098 ♪ The dividing line ran ♪ 408 00:21:06,181 --> 00:21:07,808 ♪ Through the center of town ♪ 409 00:21:08,308 --> 00:21:10,102 ♪ I hitched up my pony ♪ 410 00:21:10,185 --> 00:21:12,145 ♪ To a post on the right ♪ 411 00:21:12,396 --> 00:21:14,064 ♪ Went into a laundry ♪ 412 00:21:14,147 --> 00:21:16,149 ♪ To wash my clothes down ♪ 413 00:21:16,525 --> 00:21:18,193 ♪ A man in the corner ♪ 414 00:21:18,610 --> 00:21:20,195 ♪ Approached me for a match ♪ 415 00:21:20,654 --> 00:21:22,322 ♪ I knew right away ♪ 416 00:21:22,406 --> 00:21:24,116 ♪ He was not ordinary ♪ 417 00:21:24,658 --> 00:21:26,118 ♪ He said, "Are you looking ♪ 418 00:21:26,410 --> 00:21:28,495 ♪ For something easy to catch?" ♪ 419 00:21:28,578 --> 00:21:30,122 ♪ I said, "I got no money, man" ♪ 420 00:21:30,205 --> 00:21:32,624 ♪ He said, "That ain't necessary" ♪ 421 00:21:49,266 --> 00:21:50,934 ♪ We set out that night ♪ 422 00:21:51,101 --> 00:21:52,853 ♪ For the cold in the north ♪ 423 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:55,105 ♪ I gave him my blanket ♪ 424 00:21:55,188 --> 00:21:56,732 ♪ And he gave me his word ♪ 425 00:21:57,357 --> 00:21:58,984 ♪ I said, "Where we goin'?" ♪ 426 00:21:59,067 --> 00:22:01,028 ♪ He said, "We be back by the fourth" ♪ 427 00:22:01,403 --> 00:22:03,196 ♪ I said, "That's the best news ♪ 428 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,198 ♪ That I've ever heard" ♪ 429 00:22:05,282 --> 00:22:07,200 ♪ I was thinkin' about turquoise ♪ 430 00:22:07,284 --> 00:22:09,244 ♪ I was thinkin' about gold ♪ 431 00:22:09,328 --> 00:22:11,163 ♪ I was thinkin' about diamonds ♪ 432 00:22:11,246 --> 00:22:13,373 ♪ And the world's biggest necklace ♪ 433 00:22:13,457 --> 00:22:15,459 ♪ As we rode through the canyons ♪ 434 00:22:15,542 --> 00:22:17,419 ♪ Through the devilish cold ♪ 435 00:22:17,544 --> 00:22:19,254 ♪ I was thinkin' about Isis ♪ 436 00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:21,757 ♪ How she thought I was so reckless ♪ 437 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,385 ♪ She told me, though, that one day We would meet up again ♪ 438 00:22:25,886 --> 00:22:27,763 ♪ And things would be different ♪ 439 00:22:27,888 --> 00:22:29,681 ♪ The next time we wed ♪ 440 00:22:29,765 --> 00:22:31,767 ♪ If I could only just hang on ♪ 441 00:22:31,933 --> 00:22:33,685 ♪ And be her friend ♪ 442 00:22:34,144 --> 00:22:35,729 ♪ I still can't remember ♪ 443 00:22:35,812 --> 00:22:37,773 ♪ All the best things she said ♪ 444 00:22:54,414 --> 00:22:56,166 ♪ We came to the pyramids ♪ 445 00:22:56,249 --> 00:22:57,959 ♪ All embedded in ice ♪ 446 00:22:58,251 --> 00:22:59,753 ♪ He said, "There's a body ♪ 447 00:22:59,836 --> 00:23:02,005 ♪ That I'm tryin' to find ♪ 448 00:23:02,214 --> 00:23:03,882 ♪ If I carry it out ♪ 449 00:23:04,091 --> 00:23:06,093 ♪ It'll bring a good price" ♪ 450 00:23:06,426 --> 00:23:07,969 ♪ 'Twas then that I knew ♪ 451 00:23:08,095 --> 00:23:10,138 ♪ What he had on his mind ♪ 452 00:23:10,222 --> 00:23:12,182 ♪ Well, the wind, it was howlin' ♪ 453 00:23:12,265 --> 00:23:14,267 ♪ And the snow was outrageous ♪ 454 00:23:14,351 --> 00:23:16,019 ♪ We chopped through the night ♪ 455 00:23:16,269 --> 00:23:18,271 ♪ And we chopped through the dawn ♪ 456 00:23:18,355 --> 00:23:20,315 ♪ When he died, I was hopin' ♪ 457 00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:22,275 ♪ That it wasn't contagious ♪ 458 00:23:22,442 --> 00:23:24,403 ♪ But I made up my mind ♪ 459 00:23:24,486 --> 00:23:26,488 ♪ That I had to get on ♪ 460 00:23:43,004 --> 00:23:44,673 ♪ I picked up his body ♪ 461 00:23:44,756 --> 00:23:46,258 ♪ And I dragged him inside ♪ 462 00:23:46,716 --> 00:23:48,427 ♪ Threw him down in a hole ♪ 463 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,429 ♪ And I put back the cover ♪ 464 00:23:50,971 --> 00:23:52,514 ♪ I said a quick prayer ♪ 465 00:23:52,681 --> 00:23:54,558 ♪ Just to feel satisfied ♪ 466 00:23:54,850 --> 00:23:56,518 ♪ Then I went back to find Isis ♪ 467 00:23:56,601 --> 00:23:58,812 ♪ Just to tell her I love her ♪ 468 00:23:58,895 --> 00:24:00,730 ♪ She was there in the meadow ♪ 469 00:24:00,814 --> 00:24:03,191 ♪ Where the creek used to rise ♪ 470 00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:04,818 ♪ Blinded by sleep ♪ 471 00:24:04,901 --> 00:24:06,903 ♪ And in need of a bed ♪ 472 00:24:06,987 --> 00:24:08,697 ♪ I came in from the East ♪ 473 00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:10,907 ♪ With the sun in my eyes ♪ 474 00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:14,703 ♪ I cursed her one time Then I rode on ahead ♪ 475 00:24:15,078 --> 00:24:16,830 ♪ She said, "Where you been?" ♪ 476 00:24:17,205 --> 00:24:19,082 ♪ I said, "No place special" ♪ 477 00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:22,544 ♪ She said, "You look different" I said, "Well, I guess" ♪ 478 00:24:23,211 --> 00:24:24,671 ♪ She said, "You been gone" ♪ 479 00:24:24,754 --> 00:24:28,508 ♪ I said, "That's only natural" She said, "You gonna stay?" ♪ 480 00:24:28,592 --> 00:24:31,178 ♪ I said, "If you want me to, yeah!" ♪ 481 00:24:47,861 --> 00:24:49,529 ♪ Isis, oh, Isis ♪ 482 00:24:49,613 --> 00:24:51,281 ♪ You a mystical child ♪ 483 00:24:51,531 --> 00:24:53,366 ♪ What drives me to you ♪ 484 00:24:53,533 --> 00:24:55,494 ♪ Is what drives me insane ♪ 485 00:24:55,952 --> 00:24:57,496 ♪ I still can remember ♪ 486 00:24:57,579 --> 00:24:59,623 ♪ The way that you smiled ♪ 487 00:24:59,706 --> 00:25:01,541 ♪ On the fifth day of May ♪ 488 00:25:01,625 --> 00:25:04,044 ♪ In the drizzlin' rain ♪ 489 00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:36,450 Hi, Bob. 490 00:25:36,493 --> 00:25:39,162 - Hi, what you guys want? An interview? - Sure. 491 00:25:39,246 --> 00:25:41,248 - Ah, wh... - How was it, Bob? 492 00:25:41,748 --> 00:25:42,874 How was what? 493 00:25:44,334 --> 00:25:46,503 What did Bob say about the tour? 494 00:25:46,586 --> 00:25:48,773 I never asked him anything because, you know, 495 00:25:48,797 --> 00:25:50,507 he wouldn't answer direct questions. 496 00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:52,425 Dylan, you're beautiful. 497 00:25:53,927 --> 00:25:56,263 Bob! 498 00:25:57,639 --> 00:25:58,890 A legend is in town, 499 00:25:58,974 --> 00:26:01,518 and it's not just another... rock 'n' roll show. 500 00:26:01,601 --> 00:26:03,853 I mean, it's rock 'n' roll, but it's a special event. 501 00:26:03,937 --> 00:26:05,897 where rock 'n' roll has four or five legends, 502 00:26:06,314 --> 00:26:09,234 this is one of them, and maybe the biggest one at the present time. 503 00:26:18,952 --> 00:26:21,705 Not to brag, but Rolling Thunder was kinda my idea, 504 00:26:21,788 --> 00:26:22,622 you know. 505 00:26:22,706 --> 00:26:24,958 Bob had done that tour with The Band a few years back, 506 00:26:25,041 --> 00:26:26,918 and that was super successful, 507 00:26:27,002 --> 00:26:30,297 and then Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young were filling 50,000 seats a night. 508 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,633 And Zeppelin was huge. I mean, there was money everywhere. 509 00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:36,344 You know, all you had to do was bend down, pick it up. 510 00:26:36,636 --> 00:26:40,682 So, I had an idea that some kind of revue with Bob would be a gold mine. 511 00:26:41,266 --> 00:26:42,976 So I went off and pitched the idea, 512 00:26:43,059 --> 00:26:45,145 and a bunch of local promoters were interested. 513 00:26:45,645 --> 00:26:48,440 And then by the time I was done, I ended up with 15 headliners. 514 00:26:50,817 --> 00:26:53,445 ♪ I'm gonna have to go to college 'Cause you are... ♪ 515 00:26:53,528 --> 00:26:55,488 Now you've asked for it! 516 00:26:56,072 --> 00:26:58,199 We took a big risk. And, uh, you know, 517 00:26:58,283 --> 00:27:01,578 you had to put up the money, get everybody, you know, hotels, catering, 518 00:27:01,661 --> 00:27:03,371 cars, all this stuff, buses. 519 00:27:03,913 --> 00:27:07,542 And you had to keep all these guys happy and, you know, focused. 520 00:27:07,709 --> 00:27:11,004 And so... And that was, you loaded up before you went out on the road. 521 00:27:11,421 --> 00:27:14,174 Then you hope you got paid. And you hope the show worked. 522 00:27:15,592 --> 00:27:17,632 Did you have any interaction with Bob? 523 00:27:17,677 --> 00:27:20,096 The only time I saw Bob was when he was onstage 524 00:27:20,180 --> 00:27:21,306 or driving the bus. 525 00:27:21,514 --> 00:27:23,308 You know? Bob kept to himself. 526 00:27:23,850 --> 00:27:25,852 How did it become "Rolling Thunder Revue"? 527 00:27:25,935 --> 00:27:28,271 Well, I asked Bob. He said originally he was gonna call it 528 00:27:28,355 --> 00:27:29,522 Montezuma's Revue, 529 00:27:29,689 --> 00:27:30,982 but then he said he was home, 530 00:27:31,107 --> 00:27:34,110 and he was just kind of trying to think of a name for the tour, 531 00:27:34,194 --> 00:27:36,613 when all of a sudden in the sky, he heard, "Boom!" 532 00:27:36,696 --> 00:27:38,948 And then, from left to right, 533 00:27:39,074 --> 00:27:40,075 punctuating the sky, 534 00:27:40,241 --> 00:27:41,534 "Boom, boom, boom, boom!" 535 00:27:41,993 --> 00:27:44,579 So he said, "Hey, let's call it 'Rolling Thunder.'" 536 00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:45,997 So before we even left, 537 00:27:46,206 --> 00:27:48,083 Chesley Millikin, who was on the tour, says, 538 00:27:48,166 --> 00:27:50,519 "Bob, you know what 'rolling thunder' means to the Indians?" 539 00:27:50,543 --> 00:27:53,588 And he goes, "What, man?" And Chesley goes, "Speaking truth." 540 00:27:53,713 --> 00:27:56,299 And then Bob goes, "I'm glad to hear that, man." 541 00:27:56,508 --> 00:27:59,260 Of course, later on we found out that Rolling Thunder was actually 542 00:27:59,344 --> 00:28:02,180 the code name for, uh, Nixon's bombing of Cambodia. 543 00:28:02,722 --> 00:28:06,518 And that Guam, the backup band, was the base that, uh, they took off from. 544 00:28:06,601 --> 00:28:08,081 So, who knows what the real story is. 545 00:28:08,436 --> 00:28:11,564 This is the leaflet for a concert they're having in town next week. 546 00:28:12,357 --> 00:28:15,276 Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and Jack Elliott. 547 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,903 Right in the Civic Center. 548 00:28:16,986 --> 00:28:19,186 You know me, I'm too old for that kind of stuff. 549 00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:20,365 Oh, well. 550 00:28:21,616 --> 00:28:22,742 - Okay. - So... 551 00:28:22,826 --> 00:28:24,577 when did you first hear about Bob? 552 00:28:25,328 --> 00:28:28,289 This is like a... a... It sounds like a fairy tale, 553 00:28:28,832 --> 00:28:31,292 but all... a lot of the... 554 00:28:31,459 --> 00:28:34,671 It doesn't happen continuously for more than a few days at a time, 555 00:28:34,754 --> 00:28:36,589 but a lot of my life, 556 00:28:37,424 --> 00:28:39,968 I feel like I really am leading a charmed life, 557 00:28:40,051 --> 00:28:44,139 because miracles start happening in threes or fours. 558 00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:46,789 One thing I could tell you about Ramblin' Jack, 559 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,436 he's more of a sailor than a singer. 560 00:28:49,936 --> 00:28:54,149 He can tie a bowline, a clove hitch, and he could tie a rolling hitch, 561 00:28:54,816 --> 00:28:55,942 all blindfolded. 562 00:28:56,025 --> 00:28:58,361 If you're ever on a boat or sailing ship, 563 00:28:59,904 --> 00:29:03,616 you would rather have Ramblin' Jack there as a sailor than a singer. 564 00:29:04,117 --> 00:29:07,454 ♪ Now, London is a fine town For sailors ♪ 565 00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:12,167 ♪ California and back to France, so... ♪ 566 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:14,812 Which would you rather be, the Pilgrims or the Indians? 567 00:29:14,836 --> 00:29:16,963 - Pilgrims. - Why the Pilgrims? 568 00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:18,784 Why do you wanna be the Pilgrims? 569 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,217 'Cause the Pilgrims all land and they turn into wax dolls, 570 00:29:21,301 --> 00:29:23,595 and they're wax dolls for the rest of the universe. 571 00:29:23,678 --> 00:29:24,929 So the Indians. 572 00:29:25,054 --> 00:29:28,433 Well, you know, the Indians, that's true... Well, we're all wax dolls, so... 573 00:29:29,017 --> 00:29:33,396 The first concert will take place in Plymouth... 574 00:29:34,189 --> 00:29:38,193 Uh, where the, uh, Pilgrims stepped off their Mayflower. 575 00:29:38,693 --> 00:29:40,570 We're... as if we're... we're Pilgrims. 576 00:29:40,862 --> 00:29:42,697 Pilgrims in the sense of searchers, 577 00:29:43,239 --> 00:29:45,241 looking for the, uh, kingdom of a nation 578 00:29:45,992 --> 00:29:47,744 with maybe a different intention. 579 00:29:48,244 --> 00:29:49,871 Making America a kingdom of poetry, 580 00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:51,080 a nation of poetry. 581 00:30:05,136 --> 00:30:07,138 Well, look at this. Lookit. 582 00:30:07,388 --> 00:30:09,108 Have you ever heard of Bob Dylan? 583 00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:11,518 - Yeah. - Yeah, I've heard of Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, 584 00:30:11,601 --> 00:30:12,601 Bob Neuwirth. 585 00:30:13,311 --> 00:30:16,731 ...performing at Memorial Auditorium. Anybody? 586 00:30:17,607 --> 00:30:18,691 Pass 'em out. 587 00:30:19,567 --> 00:30:21,736 ♪ I left Rome ♪ 588 00:30:23,488 --> 00:30:25,698 ♪ And pulled into Brussels ♪ 589 00:30:27,617 --> 00:30:29,285 ♪ On a plane ride ♪ 590 00:30:29,536 --> 00:30:32,455 ♪ So bumpy that I almost cried ♪ 591 00:30:35,250 --> 00:30:37,544 ♪ Clergymen in uniform ♪ 592 00:30:37,627 --> 00:30:40,380 ♪ Young girls pullin' muscles ♪ 593 00:30:41,881 --> 00:30:44,175 ♪ Well, it sure has been ♪ 594 00:30:44,801 --> 00:30:47,136 ♪ One hell of a ride ♪ 595 00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:51,558 ♪ Newspapermen ♪ 596 00:30:52,433 --> 00:30:55,270 ♪ Eating candy, ooh ♪ 597 00:30:56,646 --> 00:30:58,940 ♪ They had to be held back ♪ 598 00:30:59,315 --> 00:31:01,359 ♪ By big police ♪ 599 00:31:03,987 --> 00:31:08,783 ♪ Someday Everything is gonna be different ♪ 600 00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:16,833 ♪ When I paint that masterpiece ♪ 601 00:31:18,334 --> 00:31:19,544 ♪ Train wrecks ♪ 602 00:31:19,961 --> 00:31:23,339 ♪ Running through the back of my memory ♪ 603 00:31:25,008 --> 00:31:27,176 ♪ When I ran on the hilltop ♪ 604 00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:29,971 ♪ Following a pack of wild geese ♪ 605 00:31:32,557 --> 00:31:37,562 ♪ Someday Everything is gonna be beautiful ♪ 606 00:31:38,938 --> 00:31:45,069 ♪ When I paint that masterpiece ♪ 607 00:31:46,112 --> 00:31:48,615 ♪ When I paint ♪ 608 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:56,122 ♪ That masterpiece ♪ 609 00:32:04,088 --> 00:32:06,132 Any idea why he would wear a mask? 610 00:32:06,215 --> 00:32:09,469 Are you being funny? 611 00:32:09,552 --> 00:32:11,363 Well, it was kind of a leading question. 612 00:32:11,387 --> 00:32:13,765 Yeah, okay. Well, get to the point. 613 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:17,518 We didn't have enough masks on that tour. 614 00:32:19,354 --> 00:32:21,356 We should have had masks for everybody. 615 00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:23,483 When somebody's wearing a mask, 616 00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:25,610 uh, he's gonna tell you the truth. 617 00:32:26,402 --> 00:32:27,402 Uh... 618 00:32:27,612 --> 00:32:30,406 when he's not wearing a mask, it's highly unlikely. 619 00:32:30,823 --> 00:32:33,242 Shocking Blue! 620 00:32:38,456 --> 00:32:41,125 ♪ Her weapons were her crystal eyes ♪ 621 00:32:42,210 --> 00:32:44,420 ♪ Making every man mad ♪ 622 00:32:45,838 --> 00:32:48,091 I'd been filming Shocking Blue. 623 00:32:48,424 --> 00:32:50,927 Their song "Venus" was at the top of the charts. 624 00:32:51,427 --> 00:32:53,471 - Wow! - And we needed more footage. 625 00:32:53,846 --> 00:32:55,932 And at the time, I liked psychedelics. 626 00:32:56,432 --> 00:32:58,977 Oh, LSD was my drug of choice. 627 00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:01,729 You know, it was trans... transformative. 628 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,067 And I filmed a lot of newspeople and things from the TV, 629 00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:09,070 like camera right on the TV, like kinescoped, 630 00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:12,407 and I cut these serious things, these speeches, with the rock 'n' roll. 631 00:33:12,615 --> 00:33:15,076 ♪ A goddess on a mountaintop ♪ 632 00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:18,746 ♪ Was burning like a silver flame ♪ 633 00:33:19,622 --> 00:33:21,374 ♪ Well, I'm your Venus ♪ 634 00:33:21,833 --> 00:33:26,421 - ♪ I'm your fire at your desire ♪ - It was brood en spelen, uh... 635 00:33:26,504 --> 00:33:28,506 You know, like, "bread and circus." 636 00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:31,676 I made an indictment of popular culture. 637 00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:35,138 I called it "Burning Like A Silver Flame." 638 00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:38,057 It played the local art film circuit, 639 00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:41,394 uh, and it started to have a life of its own. 640 00:33:41,644 --> 00:33:44,522 Um, later, when I won the Heinrich Greif Award, 641 00:33:44,605 --> 00:33:45,982 America came calling. 642 00:34:05,334 --> 00:34:06,377 Van Dorp, 643 00:34:06,753 --> 00:34:08,504 I hadn't even heard of him before, 644 00:34:09,422 --> 00:34:11,382 but, uh, he seemed like an okay guy. 645 00:34:11,549 --> 00:34:12,925 I liked his film history. 646 00:34:13,342 --> 00:34:17,597 He did some film work at Madame Tussauds Wax Museum. 647 00:34:18,514 --> 00:34:21,517 His idea was to, uh, make this film... 648 00:34:22,226 --> 00:34:26,230 appear to be like old newsreels we used to see at movie theaters... 649 00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:27,898 growing up, 650 00:34:28,691 --> 00:34:30,610 which I thought was a splendid idea. 651 00:34:32,028 --> 00:34:35,198 Van Dorp, I wanted to tell you something. 652 00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:41,954 I thought Sam would be perfect for van Dorp to, uh, collaborate with, 653 00:34:42,538 --> 00:34:46,501 because Sam's got that special knowledge of the underworld 654 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,379 that van Dorp didn't seem to have a clue about. 655 00:34:51,798 --> 00:34:54,509 I think I asked him once, "Sam, how you write all those plays?" 656 00:34:54,592 --> 00:34:55,592 And he said... 657 00:34:56,385 --> 00:34:57,553 "Man," he said, 658 00:34:59,222 --> 00:35:01,057 "it's like I commune with the dead." 659 00:35:02,975 --> 00:35:04,268 I said, "Yeah, yeah, 660 00:35:04,811 --> 00:35:08,231 uh, you'd have to to write plays like that." 661 00:35:08,773 --> 00:35:11,651 And I asked him if he wanted to, uh, write for, uh, 662 00:35:12,485 --> 00:35:15,029 this movie that this guy van Dorp was making. 663 00:35:15,321 --> 00:35:20,576 And he went to meet with van Dorp, and then he came back, and he said, uh... 664 00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:22,787 he didn't know where the guy was coming from, 665 00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:25,081 but if I wanted him to do it, he would. 666 00:35:25,164 --> 00:35:27,583 So, that's how Sam got involved. 667 00:35:28,167 --> 00:35:30,419 I was living in Homestead Valley, California, 668 00:35:31,045 --> 00:35:35,758 running a horse boarding farm. 669 00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:40,888 It was a little bit unclear what... what exactly he wanted me to do. 670 00:35:40,972 --> 00:35:44,100 I was like a screenwriter or writer for hire, you know. 671 00:35:44,183 --> 00:35:46,561 So, sure. So, I joined up. 672 00:35:47,353 --> 00:35:50,898 I was just kind of there for the ride, basically, 673 00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:52,859 and... and as an observer 674 00:35:52,942 --> 00:35:57,238 and trying to make sense of something, you know. 675 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,704 New England was just experiencing the backbone 676 00:36:04,787 --> 00:36:06,789 of that economic fallout, 677 00:36:06,873 --> 00:36:10,376 you know, way back then, it was, you know, desolate... 678 00:36:10,668 --> 00:36:13,838 Uh, really, really difficult economic times, you know. 679 00:36:13,921 --> 00:36:17,341 People suffering behind that, you know. 680 00:36:18,426 --> 00:36:21,179 Rock 'n' roll was some kind of, a... 681 00:36:21,345 --> 00:36:23,181 I don't know, a kind of medicine or something. 682 00:36:23,264 --> 00:36:25,104 Do you have tickets for the concert? 683 00:36:25,141 --> 00:36:27,185 - Yeah. - How come he's coming here? 684 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,896 I know, how come he picked such a small place? 685 00:36:29,979 --> 00:36:32,773 Tickets are on sale at the collis... the little Plymouth auditorium. 686 00:36:35,401 --> 00:36:37,801 Wasn't that the year of the bicentennial, also? 687 00:36:38,196 --> 00:36:39,697 The bicentennial, 688 00:36:39,822 --> 00:36:41,502 particularly in the little towns, you know, 689 00:36:41,574 --> 00:36:43,034 they didn't give a shit, you know. 690 00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:45,453 "What is the bicen..." You know what I mean? 691 00:36:45,536 --> 00:36:49,123 They... They certainly weren't celebrating the... the birth of America. You know? 692 00:36:49,457 --> 00:36:52,043 - We love you, Bobby! - Yeah! 693 00:36:54,503 --> 00:36:58,424 ♪ How many roads must a man walk down ♪ 694 00:36:59,717 --> 00:37:02,470 ♪ Before you call him a man? ♪ 695 00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:07,850 ♪ How many seas must a white dove sail ♪ 696 00:37:08,768 --> 00:37:11,854 ♪ Before she sleeps in the sand? ♪ 697 00:37:13,481 --> 00:37:17,485 ♪ How many times Must the cannonballs fly ♪ 698 00:37:18,110 --> 00:37:20,947 ♪ Before they're forever banned? ♪ 699 00:37:22,365 --> 00:37:24,492 ♪ The answer, my friend ♪ 700 00:37:24,575 --> 00:37:26,702 ♪ Is blowin' in the wind ♪ 701 00:37:26,953 --> 00:37:30,164 ♪ The answer is blowin' in the wind ♪ 702 00:37:33,042 --> 00:37:38,130 It always had this feeling of... of almost a circus atmosphere, 703 00:37:38,547 --> 00:37:40,049 a dog and pony show sort of thing. 704 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,885 It's the first song I ever heard Woody Guthrie sing 705 00:37:42,969 --> 00:37:44,470 on a little radio station. 706 00:37:45,638 --> 00:37:47,056 He was telling a story... 707 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:52,436 about traveling across the country on freight trains, 708 00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:54,480 and he had a fiddle with him... 709 00:37:56,399 --> 00:37:58,317 in a violin case. 710 00:37:59,819 --> 00:38:01,654 Every time the train would stop, 711 00:38:02,738 --> 00:38:06,784 police would come on and look through, they'd see him with that violin case... 712 00:38:09,412 --> 00:38:10,538 make him open it up, 713 00:38:12,248 --> 00:38:13,374 and look inside. 714 00:38:14,208 --> 00:38:15,960 They was looking for an outlaw... 715 00:38:17,044 --> 00:38:18,754 named Pretty Boy Floyd, 716 00:38:19,505 --> 00:38:23,050 who was also traveling with a violin case. 717 00:38:29,056 --> 00:38:35,771 ♪ If you'll gather 'round me, children ♪ 718 00:38:38,065 --> 00:38:43,529 ♪ A story I will tell About Pretty Boy Floyd, an outlaw ♪ 719 00:38:46,032 --> 00:38:48,617 ♪ Oklahoma knew him well ♪ 720 00:38:51,037 --> 00:38:53,456 I do recall sort of looking over, 721 00:38:53,539 --> 00:38:57,168 from a distance, Jack Elliott's shoulder as he did his solo set. 722 00:38:58,210 --> 00:39:00,379 You know, that was something so new to me, and... 723 00:39:01,589 --> 00:39:02,757 gee, it seemed so authentic, 724 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,511 I had no idea he was, you know, a Jewish dentist's son from Brooklyn. 725 00:39:07,845 --> 00:39:10,845 You know, you could've knocked me over with a feather when I found that out. 726 00:39:10,931 --> 00:39:13,142 Ramblin' Jack! Take a bow, Jack. 727 00:39:16,103 --> 00:39:18,143 I got another friend for you to meet now. 728 00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:32,536 They... They had an entity about them, you know. 729 00:39:32,912 --> 00:39:34,497 It wasn't stardom. 730 00:39:34,580 --> 00:39:35,915 It wasn't people were looking at, 731 00:39:35,998 --> 00:39:37,792 "Oh, there's Dylan and there's Joan Baez." 732 00:39:37,875 --> 00:39:39,585 No, they were looking at a band. 733 00:39:40,086 --> 00:39:42,171 ♪ Well, I ride on a mailtrain, baby ♪ 734 00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:45,299 ♪ Can't buy a thrill ♪ 735 00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:50,805 ♪ I been up all night, baby ♪ 736 00:39:51,013 --> 00:39:53,557 ♪ Leanin' on a windowsill ♪ 737 00:39:56,977 --> 00:39:59,623 Once again, good night on behalf of the Rolling Thunder Revue. 738 00:39:59,647 --> 00:40:01,899 We thank you for coming. Good night. Go in peace. 739 00:40:27,133 --> 00:40:28,884 And particularly with those songs 740 00:40:28,968 --> 00:40:32,847 that had this kind of saga element about 'em, you know, 741 00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:37,101 it had a rejuvenating effect, I think, you know, it was very exhilarating. 742 00:40:37,268 --> 00:40:42,773 It was a feeling of exhilaration, of... of... of being alive. 743 00:40:43,107 --> 00:40:45,943 It... That sounds corny, but it's true, you know. 744 00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:48,821 Take, uh, Shakespeare, Will. 745 00:40:48,904 --> 00:40:52,158 He grew up in, uh, uh, Stratford-on-Avon, 746 00:40:52,241 --> 00:40:54,702 you know, where the... where these rivers cross, 747 00:40:54,785 --> 00:40:57,872 and it was on the way outskirts of London. 748 00:40:58,330 --> 00:41:01,208 And these troubadours and vagabonds 749 00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:07,131 and carnival people from all over were coming into London to perform. 750 00:41:07,506 --> 00:41:10,426 And they would stop at this crossroads of these rivers. 751 00:41:10,509 --> 00:41:15,139 And as a kid, he's seeing this, and then he writes those fucking plays. 752 00:41:15,473 --> 00:41:17,183 You know? 753 00:41:18,517 --> 00:41:20,436 That's... extraordinary. 754 00:41:20,728 --> 00:41:23,564 You know, that somebody is charged up like that 755 00:41:23,647 --> 00:41:26,692 from something passing through their lives, you know. 756 00:41:26,942 --> 00:41:29,445 - Let me ask you a question. - Sure. 757 00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:32,865 What were you gonna do on Halloween night? 758 00:41:33,032 --> 00:41:35,117 What was I gonna do on Halloween night? 759 00:41:35,868 --> 00:41:37,328 Just get a buzz on. 760 00:41:39,413 --> 00:41:40,664 Nothing else to do. 761 00:41:41,499 --> 00:41:43,250 Yep, just party. 762 00:41:47,796 --> 00:41:50,841 ♪ Where have you been My blue-eyed son? ♪ 763 00:41:51,550 --> 00:41:54,929 ♪ Where have you been My darling young one? ♪ 764 00:41:57,598 --> 00:42:01,185 ♪ I've stumbled on the side Of twelve misty mountains ♪ 765 00:42:01,685 --> 00:42:05,397 ♪ Walked and I've crawled On six crooked highways ♪ 766 00:42:05,481 --> 00:42:08,484 ♪ Been in the middle Of seven sad forests ♪ 767 00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:12,279 ♪ Been out in front Of a dozen dead oceans ♪ 768 00:42:12,363 --> 00:42:15,449 ♪ Been ten thousand miles In the mouth of a graveyard ♪ 769 00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:16,617 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 770 00:42:17,368 --> 00:42:18,911 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 771 00:42:18,994 --> 00:42:20,454 ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪ 772 00:42:21,121 --> 00:42:22,456 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 773 00:42:22,873 --> 00:42:25,876 ♪ Well, it's a hard rain gonna fall ♪ 774 00:42:29,213 --> 00:42:32,424 ♪ What did you see My blue-eyed son? ♪ 775 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,637 ♪ What did you see My darling young one? ♪ 776 00:42:38,722 --> 00:42:41,934 ♪ Saw a newborn baby With wild wolves all around it ♪ 777 00:42:42,393 --> 00:42:45,604 ♪ I saw a highway of diamonds With nobody on it ♪ 778 00:42:46,063 --> 00:42:49,233 ♪ Saw a black branch With blood that kept drippin' ♪ 779 00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:52,820 ♪ Saw a room full of men With their hammers bleedin' ♪ 780 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,365 ♪ Saw a white ladder Covered in water ♪ 781 00:42:56,699 --> 00:43:00,202 ♪ Saw ten thousand talkers Whose tongues are all broken ♪ 782 00:43:00,619 --> 00:43:03,581 ♪ Guns and sharp swords In the hands of young children ♪ 783 00:43:03,664 --> 00:43:04,873 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 784 00:43:05,541 --> 00:43:06,834 ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪ 785 00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:08,669 ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪ 786 00:43:09,253 --> 00:43:10,629 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 787 00:43:10,963 --> 00:43:13,924 ♪ Oh, it's a hard rain gonna fall ♪ 788 00:43:17,303 --> 00:43:20,180 ♪ What did you hear My blue-eyed son? ♪ 789 00:43:20,889 --> 00:43:24,310 ♪ What did you hear My darling young one? ♪ 790 00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:29,982 ♪ Heard the sound of a thunder That roared out a warnin' ♪ 791 00:43:30,399 --> 00:43:33,819 ♪ Heard the roar of a wave Could drown the whole world ♪ 792 00:43:34,278 --> 00:43:37,448 ♪ One person starved I heard many people laughin' ♪ 793 00:43:37,781 --> 00:43:41,076 ♪ Heard the song of a poet Who died in the gutter ♪ 794 00:43:41,327 --> 00:43:44,538 ♪ Heard the sound of a clown Crying in the alley ♪ 795 00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:46,165 - ♪ And it's a hard ♪ - Yeah! 796 00:43:46,248 --> 00:43:47,708 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 797 00:43:48,083 --> 00:43:49,585 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 798 00:43:49,918 --> 00:43:51,295 ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪ 799 00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:54,798 ♪ And it's a hard rain gonna fall ♪ 800 00:43:57,801 --> 00:44:00,888 ♪ Who did you meet My blue-eyed son? ♪ 801 00:44:01,472 --> 00:44:06,060 ♪ Who did you meet My darling young one? ♪ 802 00:44:07,603 --> 00:44:10,439 ♪ Met a young child Beside a dead pony ♪ 803 00:44:10,981 --> 00:44:14,109 ♪ Met a white man Who walked a black dog ♪ 804 00:44:14,568 --> 00:44:17,613 ♪ Met one woman Whose body was burning ♪ 805 00:44:17,988 --> 00:44:21,241 ♪ Met a young girl She gave me a rainbow ♪ 806 00:44:21,450 --> 00:44:24,995 ♪ I met one man Wounded in love ♪ 807 00:44:25,162 --> 00:44:28,123 ♪ Met another man Wounded in hatred ♪ 808 00:44:28,207 --> 00:44:29,416 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 809 00:44:29,875 --> 00:44:31,251 ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪ 810 00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:33,170 ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪ 811 00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:34,963 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 812 00:44:35,255 --> 00:44:38,217 ♪ And it's a hard rain gonna fall ♪ 813 00:45:09,873 --> 00:45:12,835 ♪ What'll you do now My blue-eyed son? ♪ 814 00:45:13,419 --> 00:45:17,047 ♪ What'll you do now My darling young one? ♪ 815 00:45:19,174 --> 00:45:22,428 ♪ I'm goin' back out When the rain starts a-fallin' ♪ 816 00:45:22,886 --> 00:45:25,889 ♪ Walk to the depths Of the deepest dark forest ♪ 817 00:45:26,140 --> 00:45:29,393 ♪ Where the people are many And their hands are all empty ♪ 818 00:45:29,643 --> 00:45:33,105 ♪ Where the pellets of poison Are flooding their waters ♪ 819 00:45:33,188 --> 00:45:36,525 ♪ Where the home in the valley Meets the damp, dirty prison ♪ 820 00:45:36,608 --> 00:45:40,028 ♪ Where the executioner's face Is always well-hidden ♪ 821 00:45:40,112 --> 00:45:43,699 ♪ Where the hunger is ugly Where souls are forgotten ♪ 822 00:45:43,782 --> 00:45:47,077 ♪ Where black is the color None is the number ♪ 823 00:45:47,369 --> 00:45:50,706 ♪ And I'll tell it and think it And speak it and breathe it ♪ 824 00:45:50,956 --> 00:45:54,460 ♪ Reflect from the mountain So all souls can see it ♪ 825 00:45:54,543 --> 00:45:57,629 ♪ Then I'll stand on the ocean Until I start sinkin' ♪ 826 00:45:57,838 --> 00:46:01,049 ♪ But I'll know my song well Before I start singin' ♪ 827 00:46:01,133 --> 00:46:02,176 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 828 00:46:02,676 --> 00:46:04,261 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 829 00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:05,971 ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪ 830 00:46:06,305 --> 00:46:07,723 ♪ And it's a hard ♪ 831 00:46:08,015 --> 00:46:10,559 ♪ It's a hard rain gonna fall ♪ 832 00:46:49,598 --> 00:46:51,158 - Hello? - Bob? 833 00:46:51,183 --> 00:46:52,368 - Yeah. - This is Larry. 834 00:46:52,392 --> 00:46:54,520 - Larry, how you doing? - You got a minute? 835 00:46:54,603 --> 00:46:56,605 I gotta do a story in an hour, 836 00:46:56,688 --> 00:46:59,107 and I just need about two or three paragraphs. 837 00:47:00,108 --> 00:47:01,276 - Okay. - Are you up? 838 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,611 Yeah, sort of. 839 00:47:08,075 --> 00:47:10,762 What do you... Why don't you just talk about the music, okay? 840 00:47:10,786 --> 00:47:12,026 What do you wanna know? 841 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:14,199 I've never seen you so fuckin' great onstage. 842 00:47:14,248 --> 00:47:16,542 I've never seen you so loose. How come? 843 00:47:17,543 --> 00:47:20,743 Jesus Christ, you really got me early in the morning, I can't even think. 844 00:47:20,796 --> 00:47:22,464 Uh... 845 00:47:22,756 --> 00:47:25,634 Well, it's just the element I work best in, you know? 846 00:47:25,884 --> 00:47:27,344 You seen those Italian... 847 00:47:27,427 --> 00:47:29,555 those Italian troupes that go around in Italy, 848 00:47:29,638 --> 00:47:31,616 - those Italian street theaters... - Yeah. 849 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,142 The wagon, the wagon troupes, Commedia dell'arte? 850 00:47:34,226 --> 00:47:35,269 Yeah, right. 851 00:47:35,352 --> 00:47:37,813 This is kind of an extension of that, only musically. 852 00:47:37,896 --> 00:47:39,916 - Music Commedia dell'arte? - Yeah. 853 00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:40,816 Come on, Red! 854 00:47:40,941 --> 00:47:42,067 Riva! 855 00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:43,610 - Jane! - Jane! 856 00:47:44,194 --> 00:47:45,487 Get it, Merty! 857 00:47:45,737 --> 00:47:48,174 If somebody told you Bob Dylan was coming to Providence, 858 00:47:48,198 --> 00:47:51,034 you probably wouldn't believe them, but he is, along with Joan Baez, 859 00:47:51,118 --> 00:47:53,203 Ramblin' Jack Elliott, and Bob Neuwirth, 860 00:47:53,745 --> 00:47:58,083 and it's called the Rolling Thunder Revue at the Providence Civic Center, Tuesday... 861 00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:00,002 You'd book the venues, 862 00:48:00,085 --> 00:48:02,421 make deals with each of the local promoters, 863 00:48:02,713 --> 00:48:04,464 and then you'd show up. 864 00:48:04,882 --> 00:48:07,092 And, you know, you'd have a deal for the gate. 865 00:48:07,175 --> 00:48:08,427 And, you know, 866 00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:10,512 hopefully everything would go out, would go well, 867 00:48:10,596 --> 00:48:12,036 and everybody'd make a little money. 868 00:48:12,097 --> 00:48:14,308 Hey, man, it wasn't your door and you weren't invited. 869 00:48:14,391 --> 00:48:17,102 - Hey, don't yell at me, all right? - Oh, I am yelling at ya. 870 00:48:17,185 --> 00:48:18,979 - Okay. - Go get your cop, 871 00:48:19,062 --> 00:48:20,707 - so you can get some fuckin' help. - Okay. 872 00:48:20,731 --> 00:48:23,483 The overall promoter was a longtime friend of Bob's 873 00:48:23,567 --> 00:48:24,484 and a fishmonger. 874 00:48:24,568 --> 00:48:26,486 I mean, he never had managed a tour before, 875 00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:27,821 let alone one of this size. 876 00:48:28,363 --> 00:48:30,324 It's bad for your, uh, high blood pressure. 877 00:48:30,407 --> 00:48:32,492 - Yeah, okay. - Bad for your high blood pressure. 878 00:48:32,576 --> 00:48:34,762 - Read him some poetry, Allen. - Anything you wanna say... 879 00:48:34,786 --> 00:48:36,830 So he was out of his element and underprepared, 880 00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:38,594 and he wasn't very well-liked on the tour. 881 00:48:38,874 --> 00:48:42,127 Then tell him the ushers left. Tell him... Tell him we're framingit. 882 00:48:42,419 --> 00:48:43,921 - Hi, Barry. - Nice. 883 00:48:45,631 --> 00:48:48,300 This guy, Barry Imhoff, was his second-in-command, 884 00:48:48,383 --> 00:48:50,093 and he'd worked for Bill Graham for years, 885 00:48:50,177 --> 00:48:52,095 but just prior to Rolling Thunder 886 00:48:52,179 --> 00:48:54,598 had got out on his own and started Zebra Productions. 887 00:48:54,681 --> 00:48:58,268 And this was one of, you know, if not exactly, his first tour. 888 00:48:58,352 --> 00:49:00,455 What kind of jobs would the promoter do? 889 00:49:00,479 --> 00:49:02,773 I did whatever needed to get done. 890 00:49:03,023 --> 00:49:05,525 So one day, you're delivering pizza to the band, 891 00:49:05,817 --> 00:49:06,817 and the next day, 892 00:49:06,860 --> 00:49:09,237 I'm... got a bag full of $15,000, 893 00:49:09,321 --> 00:49:11,799 and I'm walking through a parking lot looking over my shoulder, 894 00:49:11,823 --> 00:49:14,076 thinking everybody knows exactly what I'm doing. 895 00:49:14,284 --> 00:49:17,329 Well, you did what you had to do. Some things we don't talk about. 896 00:49:21,208 --> 00:49:24,044 My mom wanted to go see this tour. 897 00:49:24,628 --> 00:49:28,840 Now, you know, nobody wants to go to a concert with their mom. 898 00:49:29,341 --> 00:49:32,177 Especially when they're 19 years old. 899 00:49:32,844 --> 00:49:36,682 So, rebelliously, I... I wore a Kiss T-shirt. 900 00:49:37,432 --> 00:49:40,560 So, I don't know which one of us was more embarrassed, 901 00:49:40,644 --> 00:49:42,646 whether it was me or my mom. 902 00:49:42,729 --> 00:49:44,648 And we went to this concert. 903 00:49:45,148 --> 00:49:46,608 We're trying to get in, 904 00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:49,069 and the guy's giving us kind of a hard time 905 00:49:49,152 --> 00:49:52,239 and looking at our tickets and the thing, and we can't get in... 906 00:49:52,364 --> 00:49:55,075 And then, this guy comes walking up, 907 00:49:56,243 --> 00:49:58,829 and he doesn't have tickets, and he tries to get in. 908 00:49:58,912 --> 00:50:00,712 And the cop at the door is not letting him in, 909 00:50:00,747 --> 00:50:01,957 and not letting him in. 910 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,376 And so, finally, like, a bunch of people come out, 911 00:50:04,459 --> 00:50:07,212 and they get Bob, and Bob turns around and he's like... 912 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,466 And I'm just like this... And my mom's like, "Come on." 913 00:50:11,550 --> 00:50:13,343 And I don't wanna, "come on," 914 00:50:13,635 --> 00:50:17,431 but my mother pushes us through, and so we go in with Bob, and, um... 915 00:50:17,848 --> 00:50:19,891 Bob turned around and he saw my shirt, 916 00:50:20,726 --> 00:50:21,768 and he was like, 917 00:50:22,561 --> 00:50:23,603 "Do you like them?" 918 00:50:23,979 --> 00:50:26,398 And then I realized he wanted to talk about Kiss. 919 00:50:26,565 --> 00:50:29,860 I think I was trying to... to sound like I was... 920 00:50:30,694 --> 00:50:32,738 smart, and so I started saying, 921 00:50:32,821 --> 00:50:37,617 "Well, you know, I think that they paint their faces in this Kabuki style." 922 00:50:37,993 --> 00:50:38,827 And he said, 923 00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:43,248 "Oh, I bet Okuni never spit blood into the audience." 924 00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:46,084 And I was like, "Okuni?" 925 00:50:46,418 --> 00:50:48,837 And he's like, "Izumo no Okuni." 926 00:50:49,296 --> 00:50:50,672 Oh, and that's, you know, 927 00:50:50,756 --> 00:50:53,008 it's one of the guys who started, uh, Kabuki. 928 00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:54,300 So... 929 00:50:54,342 --> 00:50:58,597 ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪ 930 00:50:59,473 --> 00:51:01,266 ♪ And party every day ♪ 931 00:51:01,349 --> 00:51:04,853 ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪ 932 00:51:05,771 --> 00:51:07,564 ♪ And party every day ♪ 933 00:51:07,647 --> 00:51:10,817 ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪ 934 00:51:10,901 --> 00:51:12,319 I can't hear you! 935 00:51:12,402 --> 00:51:13,779 ♪ And party every day ♪ 936 00:51:13,862 --> 00:51:15,947 ♪ I wanna rock and roll... ♪ 937 00:51:16,031 --> 00:51:18,071 Scarlet Rivera was some piece of work. 938 00:51:18,116 --> 00:51:21,369 Most people'd kind of stay away from Scarlet, but, uh, not me. 939 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,750 Her boyfriend at the time was the leader of Kiss. 940 00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:30,170 And she took me over to Queens to see them play. 941 00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:34,007 They were playing in a small club. They had face paint on, 942 00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:35,967 and I thought that was kind of interesting. 943 00:51:37,302 --> 00:51:39,096 I kind of filed that away somewhere. 944 00:51:39,429 --> 00:51:41,014 Clap your hands! 945 00:51:41,515 --> 00:51:45,977 ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪ 946 00:51:50,065 --> 00:51:53,860 Yeah, I remember a lot of things. They... They said I had a wonderful time. 947 00:51:53,944 --> 00:51:56,238 I think I did. 948 00:51:56,655 --> 00:51:58,824 They said every time we used to do any interviews, 949 00:51:58,907 --> 00:52:02,160 all they wanted to know was, "Ronnie, we wanna hear about the orgies." 950 00:52:02,327 --> 00:52:03,370 I said, "Orgies?" 951 00:52:03,453 --> 00:52:06,224 I said, "God damn, we never had any orgies. That sounds nasty as hell." 952 00:52:06,248 --> 00:52:10,752 I said, "We might have had 14 or 15 people in love a time or two, but no orgies." 953 00:52:12,546 --> 00:52:13,546 Look who's here. 954 00:52:14,172 --> 00:52:15,172 Yo, man. 955 00:52:15,549 --> 00:52:17,592 Well, Ronnie Hawkins, now, 956 00:52:17,676 --> 00:52:21,429 he looked like a shitkicker, but he spoke with the wisdom of a sage. 957 00:52:22,556 --> 00:52:23,556 He was like a... 958 00:52:24,724 --> 00:52:25,724 a... 959 00:52:27,102 --> 00:52:28,395 gladiator or something... 960 00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:30,605 that wrestled and raced 961 00:52:30,689 --> 00:52:33,900 in, uh, in... in some nondescript Roman arena. 962 00:52:34,276 --> 00:52:35,110 Uh... 963 00:52:35,193 --> 00:52:38,071 you expected Ronnie to, uh, to wear a toga... 964 00:52:40,699 --> 00:52:42,367 instead of that ratty cowboy hat. 965 00:52:43,493 --> 00:52:45,847 - Remember Scarlet Rivera? - Oh, yeah. 966 00:52:45,871 --> 00:52:47,998 She fell in love with my rhythm man 967 00:52:48,081 --> 00:52:49,541 from my band, Scarlet did. 968 00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:54,087 Yeah, they put on some interesting shows there, up there in my room. 969 00:52:57,424 --> 00:52:59,843 I think I narrated a couple of 'em. I'm not sure. 970 00:53:00,343 --> 00:53:03,054 But, uh, yeah, she was something else... wore a sword. 971 00:53:03,847 --> 00:53:05,727 She had... She wore a sword everywhere she went, 972 00:53:05,765 --> 00:53:06,808 that girl, so I didn't... 973 00:53:06,892 --> 00:53:09,728 I was a little bit uneasy about trying to slip her out, 974 00:53:10,145 --> 00:53:12,939 'cause, boy, if you didn't satisfy her, she's liable to stab you. 975 00:53:16,401 --> 00:53:17,652 She was unusual. 976 00:53:17,736 --> 00:53:20,572 I went to her room once, and there was a box of stuff. 977 00:53:21,156 --> 00:53:24,701 Like, chains and mirrors... 978 00:53:25,535 --> 00:53:26,661 candelabras and... 979 00:53:27,996 --> 00:53:29,164 She had swords. 980 00:53:29,831 --> 00:53:30,832 She had a snake. 981 00:53:31,499 --> 00:53:32,499 Just, uh... 982 00:53:32,876 --> 00:53:35,670 many things in... in a trunk. 983 00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:40,800 And, uh, that told me more about her than anything she had to say. 984 00:53:44,304 --> 00:53:45,664 She didn't say much. 985 00:53:47,515 --> 00:53:48,892 But she didn't have to. 986 00:53:51,353 --> 00:53:55,398 - What's that? - This? This is my friend. 987 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,445 He keeps me company while I play. 988 00:54:00,946 --> 00:54:03,573 He's playing the dance beyond his limits. 989 00:54:05,325 --> 00:54:07,827 Something that most people would say is impossible. 990 00:54:09,162 --> 00:54:13,375 But artists like to challenge the impossible, I guess. 991 00:54:14,292 --> 00:54:17,045 That's why we wear the makeup we wear, I guess, too. 992 00:54:19,506 --> 00:54:21,883 It's a striking image you have onstage. 993 00:54:24,094 --> 00:54:26,596 Mr. Tambourine Man gives us the opportunity 994 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,307 to be whoever we wish to be. 995 00:54:45,699 --> 00:54:49,035 This, uh, young, beautiful, young lady over here is Scarlet. 996 00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:50,287 She plays with us, too. 997 00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:14,436 I'd been at the high holy gypsy holiday at Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer, 998 00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:15,519 South of France. 999 00:55:20,442 --> 00:55:23,778 It happens to be on my birthday, so it was like going home. 1000 00:55:41,421 --> 00:55:43,006 Manitas de Plata was there, 1001 00:55:43,089 --> 00:55:45,467 and he played all night along the campfire. 1002 00:55:46,426 --> 00:55:48,219 I mean, he was fantastic. 1003 00:55:49,054 --> 00:55:53,350 And, uh, I stayed up till dawn just listening to him play. 1004 00:56:31,137 --> 00:56:33,932 Some time after that, couldn't have been more than a week, 1005 00:56:34,474 --> 00:56:37,435 that song came to me in a dream. 1006 00:56:37,894 --> 00:56:39,646 ♪ Your breath is sweet ♪ 1007 00:56:39,729 --> 00:56:43,274 ♪ Your eyes are like Two jewels in the sky ♪ 1008 00:56:45,819 --> 00:56:48,488 ♪ Your back is straight Your hair is smooth ♪ 1009 00:56:48,571 --> 00:56:51,366 ♪ On the pillow where you lie ♪ 1010 00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:56,496 ♪ But I don't sense affection ♪ 1011 00:56:56,579 --> 00:56:58,415 ♪ No gratitude or love ♪ 1012 00:57:00,250 --> 00:57:02,877 ♪ Your loyalty is not to me ♪ 1013 00:57:02,961 --> 00:57:05,839 ♪ But to the stars above ♪ 1014 00:57:07,132 --> 00:57:11,344 ♪ One more cup of coffee for the road ♪ 1015 00:57:14,347 --> 00:57:18,685 ♪ One more cup of coffee 'fore I go ♪ 1016 00:57:20,228 --> 00:57:23,481 ♪ To the valley below ♪ 1017 00:57:35,827 --> 00:57:39,247 ♪ Your daddy, he's an outlaw ♪ 1018 00:57:39,330 --> 00:57:41,499 ♪ And a wanderer by trade ♪ 1019 00:57:43,793 --> 00:57:46,546 ♪ He'll teach you how to pick and choose ♪ 1020 00:57:46,629 --> 00:57:49,424 ♪ And how to throw the blade ♪ 1021 00:57:51,342 --> 00:57:53,803 ♪ He oversees his kingdom ♪ 1022 00:57:54,262 --> 00:57:57,182 ♪ So no stranger does intrude ♪ 1023 00:57:58,266 --> 00:58:01,519 ♪ His voice, it trembles as he calls out ♪ 1024 00:58:01,603 --> 00:58:04,063 ♪ For another plate of food ♪ 1025 00:58:05,356 --> 00:58:09,569 ♪ One more cup of coffee for the road ♪ 1026 00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:16,659 ♪ One more cup of coffee 'fore I go ♪ 1027 00:58:18,453 --> 00:58:21,247 ♪ To the valley below ♪ 1028 00:58:33,801 --> 00:58:37,096 ♪ Your sister sees the future ♪ 1029 00:58:37,180 --> 00:58:39,224 ♪ Like your mama and yourself ♪ 1030 00:58:41,643 --> 00:58:44,187 ♪ You've never learned to read or write ♪ 1031 00:58:44,395 --> 00:58:47,357 ♪ There's no books upon your shelf ♪ 1032 00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:51,611 ♪ And your pleasure knows no limits ♪ 1033 00:58:52,028 --> 00:58:54,614 ♪ Your voice is like a meadowlark ♪ 1034 00:58:55,823 --> 00:58:58,535 ♪ But your heart is like an ocean ♪ 1035 00:58:58,993 --> 00:59:02,247 ♪ Mysterious and dark ♪ 1036 00:59:02,956 --> 00:59:07,126 ♪ One more cup of coffee for the road ♪ 1037 00:59:10,171 --> 00:59:14,634 ♪ One more cup of coffee 'fore I go ♪ 1038 00:59:16,094 --> 00:59:19,389 ♪ To the valley below ♪ 1039 01:00:04,434 --> 01:00:06,811 Are you used to going to rock shows? 1040 01:00:08,021 --> 01:00:10,481 No, it's one of the very few I've seen. 1041 01:00:12,233 --> 01:00:16,195 I finally realized, after last night, I've been missing an awful lot. 1042 01:00:17,530 --> 01:00:19,490 I thought it was the most unusual occurrence. 1043 01:00:19,574 --> 01:00:21,826 I never... I never noticed... 1044 01:00:22,577 --> 01:00:24,746 as a... as a part of an audience, 1045 01:00:26,414 --> 01:00:27,957 I never paid attention to a... 1046 01:00:29,751 --> 01:00:32,837 to a response between an audience and people on the stage, 1047 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,172 performers onstage. 1048 01:00:34,922 --> 01:00:38,176 That, to me, was like a show all by itself. 1049 01:00:39,177 --> 01:00:41,804 It was like one battery charging another. 1050 01:00:45,308 --> 01:00:46,309 And... 1051 01:00:47,143 --> 01:00:50,521 you not only could feel the vibes, you could... you could almost see them. 1052 01:00:52,774 --> 01:00:53,816 There was a... 1053 01:00:55,860 --> 01:00:58,571 a love affair between the performers and the audience. 1054 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,204 Uh, I was thinking about the forces 1055 01:01:06,287 --> 01:01:07,580 that draw people together. 1056 01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:14,295 The magnetism that makes the unit that's now formed as Rolling Thunder. 1057 01:01:14,837 --> 01:01:15,837 And, uh... 1058 01:01:16,047 --> 01:01:18,716 to me, the future already exists. 1059 01:01:20,009 --> 01:01:22,553 For some people, maybe for everyone. 1060 01:01:25,348 --> 01:01:28,976 It's just a matter of tuning yourself to it. 1061 01:01:34,065 --> 01:01:38,778 "I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, 1062 01:01:39,112 --> 01:01:41,698 starving hysterical naked, 1063 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,535 dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn 1064 01:01:45,618 --> 01:01:47,745 looking for an angry fix..." 1065 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,457 Allen Ginsberg was a saintlike figure. 1066 01:01:52,208 --> 01:01:55,211 It was like having a... kinda like a father figure. 1067 01:01:55,294 --> 01:01:56,587 He was always very sober. 1068 01:01:58,005 --> 01:02:01,217 No, Allen Ginsberg was anything but a father figure. 1069 01:02:02,635 --> 01:02:04,679 He was definitely not a father figure. 1070 01:02:05,221 --> 01:02:06,472 Allen Ginsberg, 1071 01:02:06,556 --> 01:02:10,184 a guy I really... I really miss, of the ones that are gone. 1072 01:02:10,685 --> 01:02:13,855 We became very friendly, I mean, you know, he... he... 1073 01:02:14,147 --> 01:02:17,775 I wasn't a bad-looking, you know, little 19-year-old at the time, 1074 01:02:17,859 --> 01:02:20,403 and he had a thing for straight, 1075 01:02:20,611 --> 01:02:21,611 talented... 1076 01:02:22,488 --> 01:02:23,488 um... 1077 01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:25,616 teenage boys. 1078 01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:27,744 So, that probably added to it, I suppose. 1079 01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:36,687 One thing people don't know about Ginsberg 1080 01:02:36,711 --> 01:02:38,337 is that he was an incredible dancer. 1081 01:02:38,421 --> 01:02:39,797 Um... who... 1082 01:02:39,881 --> 01:02:44,677 he would just do these steps that were so unusual and exciting. 1083 01:02:44,761 --> 01:02:47,388 You know, and he'd always have a good dance partner, too. 1084 01:02:47,472 --> 01:02:51,434 Uh, usually somebody from the tour, somebody we'd pick up along the way. 1085 01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:54,187 Uh... He danced a lot, Ginsberg. 1086 01:02:56,856 --> 01:02:59,609 "& shaman he swings a skinny leg to the sky 1087 01:02:59,692 --> 01:03:01,861 & shaman he desires you be there watching 1088 01:03:01,944 --> 01:03:03,696 shaman don't care about eating now 1089 01:03:03,821 --> 01:03:06,240 he's got his paint on he's ready for jive 1090 01:03:06,574 --> 01:03:08,993 & shaman's going to sway & gesture in space 1091 01:03:09,076 --> 01:03:12,371 & shaman's shouting yeah for you & singing your sorrow 1092 01:03:12,455 --> 01:03:14,248 shaman's not faithful except to you 1093 01:03:14,332 --> 01:03:16,334 shaman does it for you you know all this 1094 01:03:16,417 --> 01:03:18,753 shaman's got his eyes on the violin." 1095 01:03:21,380 --> 01:03:23,925 There was this yearning, Allen's yearning, 1096 01:03:24,509 --> 01:03:26,093 to either be Bob or... 1097 01:03:27,094 --> 01:03:29,013 have Bob love him more. 1098 01:03:29,096 --> 01:03:31,015 And I remember Bob saying, 1099 01:03:31,098 --> 01:03:33,226 "Just go out and sing on the street corners." 1100 01:03:33,309 --> 01:03:34,811 So Allen was essentially doing that. 1101 01:03:35,144 --> 01:03:37,021 ♪ Ah... ♪ 1102 01:03:37,104 --> 01:03:40,775 Seeing Ginsberg was like going to see the Oracle of Delphi. 1103 01:03:41,234 --> 01:03:44,195 He didn't care about material wealth or political power. 1104 01:03:44,779 --> 01:03:46,447 He was his own kind of king. 1105 01:03:48,157 --> 01:03:50,409 But... he wanted to play music. 1106 01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:55,206 He had already achieved what any national poet 1107 01:03:55,289 --> 01:03:56,541 could hope to achieve. 1108 01:03:56,624 --> 01:03:59,919 "I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness." 1109 01:04:00,586 --> 01:04:02,129 Very few poets have done that. 1110 01:04:02,964 --> 01:04:04,215 Robert Frost, maybe. 1111 01:04:04,841 --> 01:04:07,301 "Promises to keep, miles to go before I sleep." 1112 01:04:07,802 --> 01:04:10,221 Whitman said, "I am large, I contain multitudes." 1113 01:04:10,304 --> 01:04:12,139 We still remember those lines today. 1114 01:04:13,140 --> 01:04:16,394 Today's poets don't reach into the public consciousness that way. 1115 01:04:17,395 --> 01:04:20,523 So it was remarkable that Allen had actually broken through. 1116 01:04:21,274 --> 01:04:25,736 Nowadays, lines that people remember are lines from songs, lyrics from songs... 1117 01:04:27,071 --> 01:04:29,115 "Your cheatin' heart will make you weep." 1118 01:04:29,198 --> 01:04:32,034 "Don't change your hair for me, not if you care for me." 1119 01:04:32,827 --> 01:04:35,580 "I'm in the mood for love." "What a difference a day makes." 1120 01:04:35,663 --> 01:04:36,706 "Ain't misbehavin'." 1121 01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:40,459 Allen wanted his lines to be remembered like that, 1122 01:04:41,085 --> 01:04:42,753 but he was a poet. 1123 01:04:43,504 --> 01:04:44,881 He wasn't a songwriter. 1124 01:04:46,841 --> 01:04:50,803 By 1970 through 1975, 1125 01:04:50,970 --> 01:04:54,599 all of the, uh, heroes of song and poetry 1126 01:04:55,558 --> 01:04:57,059 were out on their own, 1127 01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:58,560 uh... 1128 01:04:59,854 --> 01:05:01,522 in the solitude... 1129 01:05:02,481 --> 01:05:03,481 doing their art. 1130 01:05:05,234 --> 01:05:08,029 The people that were going to die or drink themselves to death, 1131 01:05:08,112 --> 01:05:10,531 as many great artists did, or get strung out... 1132 01:05:11,198 --> 01:05:15,161 uh, went down to... uh... 1133 01:05:16,162 --> 01:05:18,789 She'ol, as Kerouac did, 1134 01:05:19,373 --> 01:05:22,627 105 miles from this ocean, buried in Lowell. 1135 01:05:23,711 --> 01:05:26,797 But that's where I got all my poetry, out of Mexico City Blues. 1136 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:28,840 You ever read this? 1137 01:05:29,050 --> 01:05:30,384 - Sure. - This book... 1138 01:05:30,843 --> 01:05:33,387 - This is my favorite. - Yeah, I... I read this. Uh... 1139 01:05:34,764 --> 01:05:37,433 My good friend Dave Whitaker gave me a copy of this book. 1140 01:05:37,516 --> 01:05:40,853 - When? - Uh, in Minneapolis in 1959. 1141 01:05:40,937 --> 01:05:41,937 Uh-huh. 1142 01:05:42,438 --> 01:05:45,608 I remember when David gave me this book, it just blew a hole in my mind. 1143 01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:46,942 Really? 1144 01:05:47,777 --> 01:05:50,071 Yeah. "What's been buried in the grave? 1145 01:05:50,154 --> 01:05:50,988 Dust. 1146 01:05:51,155 --> 01:05:52,341 - Perfect..." - "Perfect dust." 1147 01:05:52,365 --> 01:05:54,659 "Perfect dust in time." 1148 01:05:55,409 --> 01:05:57,036 He wrote a lot about being dead. 1149 01:05:58,204 --> 01:06:00,790 "Once I went to a movie At midnight, 1940, 1150 01:06:00,873 --> 01:06:02,375 Mice and Men, the name of it. 1151 01:06:02,458 --> 01:06:05,419 The Red Block Boxcars Rolling by 1152 01:06:05,878 --> 01:06:06,712 Yessir 1153 01:06:06,796 --> 01:06:08,673 life finally gets tired of living - 1154 01:06:09,215 --> 01:06:11,759 On both occasions I had wild Face looking into lights 1155 01:06:11,842 --> 01:06:13,219 Of streets where phantoms 1156 01:06:13,302 --> 01:06:16,180 Hastened out of sight Into Memorial cello time." 1157 01:06:16,263 --> 01:06:17,863 Oh, yeah. 1158 01:06:17,932 --> 01:06:20,267 Here's one. "Dead and don't know it, 1159 01:06:20,351 --> 01:06:21,394 Living and do. 1160 01:06:21,811 --> 01:06:23,562 The living have a dead idea. 1161 01:06:24,105 --> 01:06:25,856 A person is a living idea; 1162 01:06:25,982 --> 01:06:27,775 after death, a dead idea. 1163 01:06:27,858 --> 01:06:29,402 When rock becomes air..." 1164 01:06:29,485 --> 01:06:30,569 "I will be there." 1165 01:06:31,570 --> 01:06:33,280 - He's here. - Yeah, this is where he is. 1166 01:06:33,364 --> 01:06:35,700 - Yeah. So rock has become air. - Yeah. 1167 01:06:38,744 --> 01:06:40,784 - Let's sit down a minute, relax. - Well, this is... 1168 01:06:41,330 --> 01:06:44,834 - Yes, it's not every day... - Kerouac, he honored life. 1169 01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:48,963 I had to read everything again, that Kerouac wrote. 1170 01:06:49,046 --> 01:06:51,882 Not that I did, but I thought about it differently. 1171 01:06:52,425 --> 01:06:54,301 All of a sudden, On the Road, 1172 01:06:55,761 --> 01:06:57,680 he was talking about the road of life. 1173 01:07:07,231 --> 01:07:09,025 "Strange now to think of you, 1174 01:07:09,108 --> 01:07:11,235 gone without corsets and eyes, 1175 01:07:11,318 --> 01:07:13,112 while I walk on the sunny pavement 1176 01:07:13,195 --> 01:07:14,405 of Greenwich Village, 1177 01:07:15,197 --> 01:07:16,782 downtown Manhattan, 1178 01:07:17,033 --> 01:07:18,242 clear winter noon, 1179 01:07:18,576 --> 01:07:20,578 and I've been up all night talking, 1180 01:07:20,661 --> 01:07:21,662 talking, 1181 01:07:21,746 --> 01:07:23,247 reading the Kaddish aloud, 1182 01:07:23,664 --> 01:07:25,166 listening to Ray Charles 1183 01:07:25,249 --> 01:07:27,752 blues shout blind on the phonograph 1184 01:07:28,169 --> 01:07:29,962 The rhythm, the rhythm 1185 01:07:30,629 --> 01:07:32,910 and your memory in my head..." "like a poem in the dark... 1186 01:07:32,965 --> 01:07:35,301 escaped back to Oblivion... 1187 01:07:35,926 --> 01:07:37,178 No more to say, 1188 01:07:37,261 --> 01:07:40,723 and nothing to weep for but the Beings in the Dream, 1189 01:07:40,806 --> 01:07:42,516 trapped in its disappearance, 1190 01:07:43,017 --> 01:07:44,017 sighing, 1191 01:07:44,268 --> 01:07:45,268 screaming with it, 1192 01:07:45,603 --> 01:07:48,856 buying and selling pieces of phantom, 1193 01:07:49,065 --> 01:07:51,525 laughing and weeping over mahjong, 1194 01:07:51,776 --> 01:07:53,444 worshipping each other, 1195 01:07:53,611 --> 01:07:56,072 worshipping the God included in it all... 1196 01:07:56,447 --> 01:07:58,908 longing or inevitability? 1197 01:07:59,116 --> 01:08:01,327 while it lasts, a Vision... 1198 01:08:01,786 --> 01:08:05,164 Death, stay thy phantoms! 1199 01:08:05,748 --> 01:08:08,292 O mother what have I left out 1200 01:08:08,876 --> 01:08:11,420 O mother what have I forgotten 1201 01:08:11,796 --> 01:08:14,465 O mother farewell 1202 01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:16,801 with a long black shoe 1203 01:08:17,301 --> 01:08:19,720 farewell with Communist Party 1204 01:08:19,804 --> 01:08:21,305 and a broken stocking 1205 01:08:21,764 --> 01:08:23,933 farewell with six dark hairs 1206 01:08:24,016 --> 01:08:25,684 on the wen of your breast 1207 01:08:26,185 --> 01:08:28,562 farewell with your old dress 1208 01:08:28,646 --> 01:08:31,649 and a long black beard around the vagina 1209 01:08:32,066 --> 01:08:35,569 with your eyes with your eyes of Russia 1210 01:08:35,653 --> 01:08:37,822 with your eyes of no money 1211 01:08:37,947 --> 01:08:40,241 with your eyes of Aunt Elanor 1212 01:08:40,533 --> 01:08:42,326 with your eyes of shock 1213 01:08:42,618 --> 01:08:44,829 with your eyes of lobotomy 1214 01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:49,583 with your eyes of divorce with your eyes of stroke 1215 01:08:49,792 --> 01:08:52,002 with your eyes alone 1216 01:08:52,169 --> 01:08:53,337 with your eyes 1217 01:08:53,754 --> 01:08:54,964 with your eyes 1218 01:08:55,214 --> 01:08:57,883 with your death full of flowers." 1219 01:09:20,406 --> 01:09:23,701 ♪ She walks alone Through the city blocks ♪ 1220 01:09:24,493 --> 01:09:27,705 ♪ Oh, hears the tickin' of the clocks ♪ 1221 01:09:29,039 --> 01:09:31,625 ♪ Hunts for her by the waterfront docks ♪ 1222 01:09:31,834 --> 01:09:34,670 ♪ Where the sailors all come in ♪ 1223 01:09:35,838 --> 01:09:38,340 ♪ Maybe he'll see her there once again ♪ 1224 01:09:39,592 --> 01:09:42,803 ♪ How long must he wait? ♪ 1225 01:09:44,638 --> 01:09:48,976 ♪ One more time For a simple twist of fate ♪ 1226 01:09:52,021 --> 01:09:54,040 Tell me a bit about the spirit of the tour. 1227 01:09:54,064 --> 01:09:56,501 - 'Cause you're doing new songs, right? - Yeah. 1228 01:09:56,525 --> 01:09:59,528 And a lot of people in the audience expected the old songs. 1229 01:09:59,612 --> 01:10:01,464 But Ratso, you know, that's the first... 1230 01:10:01,488 --> 01:10:03,383 - one of the first rules... - What's that? 1231 01:10:03,407 --> 01:10:04,807 The expectations, you know? 1232 01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:07,369 If you have big expectations, you're gonna be let down. 1233 01:10:07,453 --> 01:10:09,371 You can't have any expectations. 1234 01:10:09,455 --> 01:10:11,135 But people do have preconceptions. 1235 01:10:11,207 --> 01:10:13,918 That's their problem, Ratso. That's their own problem. 1236 01:10:14,001 --> 01:10:16,587 We can't account for everybody who's walking around, you know? 1237 01:10:16,670 --> 01:10:18,088 Like having expectations. 1238 01:10:18,172 --> 01:10:19,590 I mean, who gives a shit? 1239 01:10:19,673 --> 01:10:20,841 Yeah. 1240 01:10:20,925 --> 01:10:24,094 ♪ They sat together in the park ♪ 1241 01:10:25,137 --> 01:10:27,723 ♪ As the evening sky got dark ♪ 1242 01:10:28,933 --> 01:10:31,477 ♪ She looked at him and he felt a spark ♪ 1243 01:10:32,853 --> 01:10:35,356 ♪ Tingle to his bones ♪ 1244 01:10:36,774 --> 01:10:39,360 ♪ 'Twas then he felt alone ♪ 1245 01:10:40,611 --> 01:10:43,739 ♪ And he wished he'd gone straight ♪ 1246 01:10:44,990 --> 01:10:49,828 ♪ And watched out For a simple twist of fate ♪ 1247 01:10:53,874 --> 01:10:56,919 ♪ They walked along by the old canal ♪ 1248 01:10:57,962 --> 01:11:00,714 ♪ A little confused, I remember well ♪ 1249 01:11:02,091 --> 01:11:04,885 ♪ And stopped into a strange hotel ♪ 1250 01:11:05,469 --> 01:11:08,430 ♪ With a neon burnin' bright ♪ 1251 01:11:09,598 --> 01:11:12,601 ♪ He felt the heat of the night ♪ 1252 01:11:13,519 --> 01:11:17,731 ♪ Hit him like a freight train ♪ 1253 01:11:18,023 --> 01:11:22,778 ♪ Moving with a simple twist of fate ♪ 1254 01:11:26,907 --> 01:11:29,952 ♪ A saxophone someplace softly played ♪ 1255 01:11:30,869 --> 01:11:33,831 ♪ As she was walkin' on by the arcade ♪ 1256 01:11:34,999 --> 01:11:37,876 ♪ She heard the melody rise and fade ♪ 1257 01:11:38,585 --> 01:11:41,380 ♪ The sun was coming up ♪ 1258 01:11:42,214 --> 01:11:45,551 ♪ She dropped a coin into the cup ♪ 1259 01:11:46,343 --> 01:11:49,680 ♪ Of a blind man at the gate ♪ 1260 01:11:50,681 --> 01:11:55,686 ♪ And forgot about A simple twist of fate ♪ 1261 01:12:00,024 --> 01:12:03,110 ♪ He woke up, she was gone ♪ 1262 01:12:03,902 --> 01:12:06,739 ♪ He didn't see nothing but the dawn ♪ 1263 01:12:07,906 --> 01:12:11,076 ♪ He got out of bed And put his clothes back on ♪ 1264 01:12:12,161 --> 01:12:14,288 ♪ Pushed back the blinds ♪ 1265 01:12:15,247 --> 01:12:18,292 ♪ Found a note she'd left behind ♪ 1266 01:12:19,126 --> 01:12:22,629 ♪ To which he just could not relate ♪ 1267 01:12:24,214 --> 01:12:28,469 ♪ All about a simple twist of fate ♪ 1268 01:12:34,391 --> 01:12:37,853 ♪ He hears the ticking of the clocks ♪ 1269 01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:42,024 ♪ And walks alone Through the city blocks ♪ 1270 01:12:42,649 --> 01:12:45,861 ♪ Hunts her down by the waterfront docks ♪ 1271 01:12:45,944 --> 01:12:48,947 ♪ Where the sailors all roll in ♪ 1272 01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:52,993 ♪ Maybe he'll spot her once again ♪ 1273 01:12:53,494 --> 01:12:57,206 ♪ How long must he wait? ♪ 1274 01:12:58,791 --> 01:13:03,337 ♪ One more time For a simple twist of fate ♪ 1275 01:13:07,549 --> 01:13:10,177 ♪ People tell me it's a crime ♪ 1276 01:13:11,428 --> 01:13:14,640 ♪ To know too much for too long a time ♪ 1277 01:13:15,724 --> 01:13:18,977 ♪ She should've caught me in my prime ♪ 1278 01:13:19,728 --> 01:13:22,106 ♪ She would've stayed with me ♪ 1279 01:13:22,773 --> 01:13:26,026 ♪ Instead I'm going off to sea ♪ 1280 01:13:26,652 --> 01:13:30,531 ♪ And leaving me to meditate ♪ 1281 01:13:31,824 --> 01:13:37,079 ♪ Upon that simple twist of fate ♪ 1282 01:14:27,504 --> 01:14:30,924 I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. 1283 01:14:31,008 --> 01:14:33,927 Vice President Ford will be sworn in as president 1284 01:14:34,428 --> 01:14:37,055 at that hour in this office. 1285 01:14:37,139 --> 01:14:40,851 ♪ I dreamed I saw Saint Augustine ♪ 1286 01:14:40,976 --> 01:14:43,896 ♪ Alive as you or me... ♪ 1287 01:14:44,188 --> 01:14:47,274 Thomas Jefferson said, "The people... 1288 01:14:48,108 --> 01:14:52,821 are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty." 1289 01:14:52,905 --> 01:14:56,867 ♪ With a blanket underneath his arm ♪ 1290 01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:58,994 ♪ And a coat of solid gold... ♪ 1291 01:14:59,077 --> 01:15:02,831 Abraham Lincoln renewed this American article of faith 1292 01:15:02,915 --> 01:15:08,003 asking, "Is there any better way or equal hope in the world?" 1293 01:15:08,128 --> 01:15:09,129 Go! 1294 01:15:09,213 --> 01:15:10,964 Everybody get out of the way, now! 1295 01:15:11,131 --> 01:15:12,131 Get down! 1296 01:15:12,341 --> 01:15:13,383 Get out of the way! 1297 01:15:16,136 --> 01:15:19,389 ♪ Come out ye gifted kings and queens... ♪ 1298 01:15:19,473 --> 01:15:22,976 We've got too many people who are knocking every institution, 1299 01:15:23,143 --> 01:15:25,521 including the Congress, the president, the flag, 1300 01:15:25,604 --> 01:15:26,604 everything. 1301 01:15:26,813 --> 01:15:28,398 I think it's time to stand up and say, 1302 01:15:28,482 --> 01:15:31,527 "Well, we believe in these institutions, and we believe in America." 1303 01:15:32,236 --> 01:15:34,154 And I think America ought to sing a little bit. 1304 01:15:34,238 --> 01:15:35,822 ♪...accordingly ♪ 1305 01:15:35,906 --> 01:15:40,786 ♪ And know you're not alone ♪ 1306 01:15:44,248 --> 01:15:46,792 Now, we're talking about Bob Dylan the man, 1307 01:15:46,917 --> 01:15:49,836 that's who we're talking about, the message he preaches when he sings... 1308 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,232 - You can't use microscopes on everything. - The happiness... 1309 01:15:52,256 --> 01:15:53,549 You're not using microscopes. 1310 01:15:53,632 --> 01:15:56,426 - You can't use a scalpel that way. - You're using the message. 1311 01:15:56,969 --> 01:15:58,971 I thought it was sort of depressing... 1312 01:15:59,555 --> 01:16:02,683 that people would stand in line for two days to see a man. 1313 01:16:02,766 --> 01:16:04,142 It just so... shows... 1314 01:16:05,894 --> 01:16:08,564 they have that need for something or somebody to... 1315 01:16:10,816 --> 01:16:13,318 bring salvation or something. You know? 1316 01:16:13,986 --> 01:16:15,153 But I did it, too. 1317 01:16:16,196 --> 01:16:17,196 I don't know. 1318 01:16:17,406 --> 01:16:20,033 About five in the afternoon, the day before the show, right? 1319 01:16:20,117 --> 01:16:20,993 - Yeah. - You were there, 1320 01:16:21,076 --> 01:16:23,596 you'd been there for a couple of days, you hit on me right away. 1321 01:16:23,662 --> 01:16:25,222 You said you wanted this button, right? 1322 01:16:25,289 --> 01:16:26,969 Thought I was Dylan or some shit like that. 1323 01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,584 - Yeah, right. Mm-hmm. - Yeah. 1324 01:16:29,167 --> 01:16:31,336 A lot of people think you are, Larry. 1325 01:16:31,753 --> 01:16:34,256 Well, it's pretty obvious. 1326 01:16:34,339 --> 01:16:36,341 Take your glasses off for a minute. 1327 01:16:37,467 --> 01:16:39,511 - I'm not him. - Well, anyways... 1328 01:16:39,636 --> 01:16:42,806 That little shit Ratso, he was the worst. 1329 01:16:42,889 --> 01:16:45,517 He dressed like Dylan, he tried to talk like Dylan, 1330 01:16:45,601 --> 01:16:47,561 always trying to ingratiate himself. 1331 01:16:47,644 --> 01:16:49,104 He thought he was Hunter Thompson 1332 01:16:49,187 --> 01:16:51,481 just because he was writing for Rolling Stone. 1333 01:16:51,565 --> 01:16:54,276 He didn't want anyone else with vision around. 1334 01:16:55,235 --> 01:16:57,338 Did he wind up causing problems for you? 1335 01:16:57,362 --> 01:16:58,363 Please. 1336 01:16:58,655 --> 01:17:01,450 Does the cockroach really cause problems for the house? 1337 01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:03,368 No, it's just a nuisance. 1338 01:17:03,702 --> 01:17:05,871 Van Dorp was an unusual guy. 1339 01:17:06,455 --> 01:17:09,416 He's one of those kind of people who's trying to... just needs an enemy. 1340 01:17:09,499 --> 01:17:10,499 And... 1341 01:17:10,542 --> 01:17:13,420 uh, he was trying to make enemies where there weren't any, 1342 01:17:13,670 --> 01:17:16,256 and, uh, he... he was... 1343 01:17:16,340 --> 01:17:17,966 he was successful at that. 1344 01:17:20,052 --> 01:17:23,764 He... He angered a lot... lots of people, especially in catering. 1345 01:17:23,847 --> 01:17:26,975 He would eat two or three, uh, meals 1346 01:17:27,142 --> 01:17:30,437 that really... really were for somebody else. 1347 01:17:31,813 --> 01:17:34,441 So, he ate more than he was supposed to, 1348 01:17:35,025 --> 01:17:36,985 and I think... and I think he... 1349 01:17:39,529 --> 01:17:43,950 ...uh, I think he stuck his nose in places it might've should not have been. 1350 01:17:45,661 --> 01:17:47,496 He was also a very paranoid person. 1351 01:17:48,246 --> 01:17:50,540 Complained to people that his room was bugged. 1352 01:17:51,708 --> 01:17:54,961 Uh, which, you know, McGuinn was on that tour, 1353 01:17:55,170 --> 01:18:00,384 and McGuinn who at that point was into, uh, very sophisticated electronics. 1354 01:18:00,467 --> 01:18:02,469 So I'm not saying it wasn't bugged but... 1355 01:18:03,261 --> 01:18:05,430 but I'm not saying that it was bugged, 1356 01:18:05,514 --> 01:18:07,099 because I don't know that for a fact. 1357 01:18:07,182 --> 01:18:09,267 All tickets are $8.50 a ticket. 1358 01:18:10,018 --> 01:18:11,937 What were the audiences like... 1359 01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:13,105 that you played to? 1360 01:18:15,357 --> 01:18:17,609 Well, they would all be... 1361 01:18:18,652 --> 01:18:19,820 hysterically happy. 1362 01:18:20,404 --> 01:18:22,155 So, I mean, you can't really judge much 1363 01:18:22,239 --> 01:18:24,282 from saying, "What would the audiences be like?" 1364 01:18:24,366 --> 01:18:27,536 They would all be people who would've slit each other's throats to get there. 1365 01:18:32,624 --> 01:18:35,877 What a lovely couple! 1366 01:18:38,422 --> 01:18:41,466 - Don't make myths. A couple of what? - A couple of what? 1367 01:18:52,519 --> 01:18:57,190 ♪ They say ev'rything can be replaced ♪ 1368 01:19:00,444 --> 01:19:04,322 ♪ That ev'ry distance is not near ♪ 1369 01:19:07,701 --> 01:19:11,872 ♪ So I remember ev'ry face ♪ 1370 01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:19,045 ♪ Of ev'ry man who put me here ♪ 1371 01:19:19,588 --> 01:19:21,757 Joan Baez and me could sing anything. 1372 01:19:22,632 --> 01:19:24,551 We could sing together in our sleep. 1373 01:19:25,427 --> 01:19:26,553 As a matter of fact, 1374 01:19:27,095 --> 01:19:29,931 lot of times when I was sleeping, I'd hear her voice. 1375 01:19:32,142 --> 01:19:35,896 ♪ Yonder down here in this lonely crowd ♪ 1376 01:19:39,649 --> 01:19:43,904 ♪ Is a man who swears he's not to blame ♪ 1377 01:19:47,491 --> 01:19:51,953 ♪ All day long I hear him shouting loud ♪ 1378 01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:59,044 ♪ Crying out that he been framed ♪ 1379 01:20:01,630 --> 01:20:03,006 ♪ I see my light... ♪ 1380 01:20:03,131 --> 01:20:05,133 Joan was so courageous. 1381 01:20:06,092 --> 01:20:07,092 Self-disciplined. 1382 01:20:08,011 --> 01:20:11,264 When I first met her, it seemed like she'd come down to Earth from a meteorite. 1383 01:20:11,890 --> 01:20:12,890 And she's never changed. 1384 01:20:12,933 --> 01:20:15,852 She always seems like she's just come down from a meteorite. 1385 01:20:20,482 --> 01:20:23,318 You had no reservations about going on tour? 1386 01:20:24,152 --> 01:20:25,152 Well... 1387 01:20:25,654 --> 01:20:27,030 Sure. 1388 01:20:27,781 --> 01:20:28,781 I mean... 1389 01:20:29,533 --> 01:20:34,579 I think it probably sounded like... fun, but I also had experienced Dylan, 1390 01:20:34,913 --> 01:20:38,500 and, you know, how much fun that can be on any tour or not. 1391 01:20:38,959 --> 01:20:39,959 So, um... 1392 01:20:40,418 --> 01:20:43,630 But I think, know... knowing that it was gonna be a lot of people, 1393 01:20:43,713 --> 01:20:46,842 and I was gonna have my own family with me... 1394 01:20:51,638 --> 01:20:54,391 It sounded exciting, you know. 1395 01:21:04,401 --> 01:21:06,027 I had my own freedom... 1396 01:21:06,111 --> 01:21:09,865 to sing and dance in a way that I didn't do on my own stage. 1397 01:21:16,830 --> 01:21:18,766 Maybe there wasn't enough for her to do 1398 01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:20,470 and she'd begin to go a little stir-crazy. 1399 01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:21,500 Started doing, uh... 1400 01:21:21,710 --> 01:21:25,422 boogaloo and hanging out with people maybe she shouldn't be hanging out with, 1401 01:21:25,505 --> 01:21:26,506 and, um... 1402 01:21:27,299 --> 01:21:28,299 Ugh. 1403 01:21:29,593 --> 01:21:30,927 I don't know what happened. 1404 01:21:32,387 --> 01:21:34,890 Boy, sitting right next to Bob Dylan, man. Whew. 1405 01:21:34,973 --> 01:21:37,017 I got a light if you got a smoke. 1406 01:21:37,726 --> 01:21:40,103 One time, I got all dressed up as Bob, 1407 01:21:40,186 --> 01:21:41,855 which I would do periodically. 1408 01:21:42,063 --> 01:21:45,567 I used to put these little beard markings all over and have a mustache on. 1409 01:21:45,901 --> 01:21:48,028 And then I'd put his hat on 1410 01:21:48,570 --> 01:21:49,863 and some whiteface. 1411 01:21:50,155 --> 01:21:52,240 ♪ All the time you dress so fine ♪ 1412 01:21:53,617 --> 01:21:56,745 ♪ Threw the bums a dime in your prime... ♪ 1413 01:21:56,828 --> 01:21:59,623 I walked over with nobody really paying attention, 1414 01:21:59,706 --> 01:22:01,166 and I'd be Bob. 1415 01:22:01,666 --> 01:22:05,003 And there was this table of, like, food and catering and coffee, 1416 01:22:05,337 --> 01:22:07,213 and Louie was there, and I said... 1417 01:22:07,297 --> 01:22:09,257 "Handsome, give me some coffee." 1418 01:22:09,966 --> 01:22:12,552 Instantly, people got me some coffee like that. 1419 01:22:13,136 --> 01:22:16,014 "D'you want this? D'you want this? You want milk? Do you want sugar?" 1420 01:22:16,097 --> 01:22:18,934 And I just had a cigarette in my hand, going like that, 1421 01:22:19,017 --> 01:22:21,019 and they treated me the way they treat Bob. 1422 01:22:21,102 --> 01:22:23,102 "D'you want this? D'you want that? What can we do?" 1423 01:22:23,146 --> 01:22:24,272 It was amazing. 1424 01:22:24,981 --> 01:22:27,859 It was amazing until finally I said something like, 1425 01:22:27,943 --> 01:22:31,196 "Oh, for Christ sake, Louie." And then he realized. 1426 01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:34,366 Oh, yeah, and I had a little wig on with my hair coming out underneath it. 1427 01:22:34,658 --> 01:22:36,910 Terrible. 1428 01:22:40,330 --> 01:22:43,625 It's like the court of Henry VIII or something, you know? 1429 01:22:43,833 --> 01:22:46,836 Who's Anne Boleyn, you know? Which one is gonna get the ax, you know? 1430 01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,465 You know what I mean? You know, there's that kind of dynamic. 1431 01:22:50,548 --> 01:22:52,884 And people are maneuvering to get closer, 1432 01:22:52,968 --> 01:22:55,804 and then there are the people who are using you to maneuver. 1433 01:22:56,137 --> 01:22:58,974 David Mansfield wanted to sing a song with me, uh... 1434 01:22:59,182 --> 01:23:00,934 Ugh. God. 1435 01:23:01,226 --> 01:23:03,687 That, uh, a drummer did. 1436 01:23:03,812 --> 01:23:06,022 I didn't see what the point of it all was. 1437 01:23:07,691 --> 01:23:11,069 - What does makeup do for you? - I don't know. 1438 01:23:11,152 --> 01:23:13,780 Just hides, you know, the ugliness a little bit. 1439 01:23:16,032 --> 01:23:19,828 Everyone, of course, you know, wanted their shot, 1440 01:23:19,911 --> 01:23:21,454 wanted their time in the sun. 1441 01:23:22,330 --> 01:23:24,582 But we all know that, you know, you have to... 1442 01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,543 give for the good of the show. 1443 01:23:26,668 --> 01:23:28,753 And it was such an honor to be there, 1444 01:23:29,838 --> 01:23:31,297 so that was no problem. 1445 01:23:36,094 --> 01:23:38,739 Who were the people you were closest with on the tour? 1446 01:23:38,763 --> 01:23:41,558 I know this sounds funny, but I felt close to Bob. 1447 01:23:42,058 --> 01:23:45,145 I just always felt close to him from the moment I met him. 1448 01:23:45,353 --> 01:23:48,273 Um, I'm sure many people that feel that way. 1449 01:23:49,107 --> 01:23:50,108 Um... 1450 01:23:50,942 --> 01:23:54,070 I know Mick Ronson told me, however, when I said, um... 1451 01:23:54,988 --> 01:23:57,308 you know, "Don't you love Bob?" and he said, "I don't know. 1452 01:23:57,365 --> 01:23:58,616 He's never spoken to me." 1453 01:24:00,118 --> 01:24:03,371 Um, and then once we were in Massachusetts, 1454 01:24:03,913 --> 01:24:05,540 and people were about to arrive. 1455 01:24:05,623 --> 01:24:08,501 I don't know who they were, but not our little group. 1456 01:24:09,002 --> 01:24:12,380 Bob and I were alone in the basement, and Bob said, "Ronee, help." 1457 01:24:12,714 --> 01:24:13,923 And I said, "Help what?" 1458 01:24:15,175 --> 01:24:19,137 And... And I felt so bad about that afterwards because I didn't mean to be... 1459 01:24:19,846 --> 01:24:23,850 cruel or thoughtless to Bob, but I always thought, you know, 1460 01:24:23,933 --> 01:24:25,935 I had to treat him just like a regular person 1461 01:24:26,019 --> 01:24:27,896 if I were going to be friends with him. 1462 01:24:29,814 --> 01:24:33,777 But later on, I understood a little more what he might be asking help for. 1463 01:24:34,027 --> 01:24:35,421 What was he asking help for? 1464 01:24:35,445 --> 01:24:37,280 I think the onslaught of strangers. 1465 01:24:39,157 --> 01:24:41,076 Hello, take my picture, please! 1466 01:24:41,493 --> 01:24:42,577 Hiya, man. 1467 01:24:47,957 --> 01:24:52,796 I was in the park with another one of my modeling jobs. 1468 01:24:53,421 --> 01:24:55,461 Of course, the whole park is full of everybody doing 1469 01:24:55,507 --> 01:24:59,511 whatever they're doing, and suddenly I hear, "Hey, Kiss," 1470 01:24:59,928 --> 01:25:01,888 and I'm just, of course, mortified. 1471 01:25:01,971 --> 01:25:03,389 And then I realize... 1472 01:25:03,973 --> 01:25:05,350 that it's him. 1473 01:25:05,767 --> 01:25:08,436 So, of course, I'm even more mortified. 1474 01:25:09,938 --> 01:25:12,065 I think I met her with her mother. 1475 01:25:12,190 --> 01:25:13,316 She was a nice girl. 1476 01:25:13,608 --> 01:25:14,608 Uh... 1477 01:25:15,527 --> 01:25:17,278 She was so young, anyway, you know. 1478 01:25:18,822 --> 01:25:20,323 But she seemed old for her age. 1479 01:25:22,575 --> 01:25:24,869 Everybody wants to be a movie star... 1480 01:25:25,036 --> 01:25:26,036 don't they? 1481 01:25:26,955 --> 01:25:29,749 But, you know, when you live in the middle of nowhere, 1482 01:25:29,833 --> 01:25:32,594 when you tell somebody you wanna be a movie star, they think you're... 1483 01:25:33,294 --> 01:25:34,294 insane. 1484 01:25:36,005 --> 01:25:38,133 She, uh, used to tell me, 1485 01:25:38,216 --> 01:25:40,718 uh, someday she's going to be a famous actress. 1486 01:25:41,511 --> 01:25:42,511 Uh, okay. 1487 01:25:43,263 --> 01:25:45,807 A couple of days later he said, um... 1488 01:25:47,183 --> 01:25:48,268 "You know, hey... 1489 01:25:49,686 --> 01:25:53,439 how about if you just come on the road with us?" 1490 01:25:55,275 --> 01:25:58,319 And I thought, "And do what?" 1491 01:26:01,030 --> 01:26:03,658 "You know, you could help out with the costumes 1492 01:26:03,741 --> 01:26:06,369 and help out backstage and stuff." 1493 01:26:07,453 --> 01:26:10,123 - "Just Like a Woman." - What? 1494 01:26:10,540 --> 01:26:12,750 - "Just Like a Woman"? - Yeah! 1495 01:26:12,834 --> 01:26:15,314 - Do we know that song? - I don't know, we could fake it. 1496 01:26:15,378 --> 01:26:17,422 It was one of the first shows. 1497 01:26:18,256 --> 01:26:20,717 - I was backstage. - ...we'll try it. 1498 01:26:21,050 --> 01:26:23,261 Joan Baez had asked me to iron her shirt. 1499 01:26:24,387 --> 01:26:27,682 A second later I hear, "Hey... Sharon." 1500 01:26:28,766 --> 01:26:32,854 And there was this, um, really decrepit old piano 1501 01:26:32,937 --> 01:26:37,650 shoved off to the side, and Bob was kinda hunched over it. 1502 01:26:37,942 --> 01:26:40,069 And he gives me that... that look. 1503 01:26:41,613 --> 01:26:44,324 He's like, "I wrote a song about you." 1504 01:26:44,824 --> 01:26:49,746 ♪ Nobody feels any pain ♪ 1505 01:26:52,248 --> 01:26:57,003 ♪ Tonight as I stand inside the rain ♪ 1506 01:26:58,254 --> 01:27:00,131 And then he gets to the line... 1507 01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:06,179 ♪ And she makes love just like a woman ♪ 1508 01:27:08,014 --> 01:27:10,141 ♪ But she breaks ♪ 1509 01:27:10,767 --> 01:27:16,439 ♪ Just like a little girl ♪ 1510 01:27:18,608 --> 01:27:23,738 I just broke out crying. You know? Full-on tears. 1511 01:27:23,947 --> 01:27:26,991 I get... I think T Bone's the one who told me that the song was... 1512 01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,619 ten years old. 1513 01:27:29,953 --> 01:27:31,287 "Just Like a Woman." 1514 01:27:31,371 --> 01:27:33,289 Yeah! 1515 01:27:33,748 --> 01:27:35,083 What's just like a woman? 1516 01:27:35,375 --> 01:27:36,626 What's just like a woman? 1517 01:27:36,751 --> 01:27:39,379 Nothin' like a woman. 1518 01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:46,970 Do a protest song! 1519 01:27:51,933 --> 01:27:53,393 Yeah, here's the one for you. 1520 01:28:19,252 --> 01:28:24,257 ♪ Oh, sister, when I come To lie in your arms ♪ 1521 01:28:26,426 --> 01:28:31,055 ♪ You should not treat me Like a stranger ♪ 1522 01:28:33,599 --> 01:28:39,439 ♪ Our Father would not like The way that you act ♪ 1523 01:28:40,732 --> 01:28:45,778 ♪ And you must realize the danger ♪ 1524 01:29:16,601 --> 01:29:21,356 ♪ Oh, sister, am I not a brother to you ♪ 1525 01:29:23,733 --> 01:29:29,072 ♪ And one deserving of affection? ♪ 1526 01:29:31,032 --> 01:29:36,371 ♪ And is our purpose not the same On this earth ♪ 1527 01:29:38,122 --> 01:29:43,169 ♪ To love and follow His direction? ♪ 1528 01:30:13,491 --> 01:30:15,952 ♪ We grew up together ♪ 1529 01:30:16,244 --> 01:30:19,205 ♪ From the cradle to the grave ♪ 1530 01:30:20,289 --> 01:30:22,959 ♪ We died and were reborn ♪ 1531 01:30:23,167 --> 01:30:30,133 ♪ And then mysteriously saved ♪ 1532 01:30:35,972 --> 01:30:41,185 ♪ Oh, sister, when I come To knock on your door ♪ 1533 01:30:42,937 --> 01:30:48,025 ♪ Don't turn away, you'll create sorrow ♪ 1534 01:30:49,944 --> 01:30:55,241 ♪ Time is an ocean But it ends at the shore ♪ 1535 01:30:56,993 --> 01:31:01,622 ♪ You may not see me tomorrow ♪ 1536 01:31:40,786 --> 01:31:42,830 Bob Dylan for president! 1537 01:31:45,500 --> 01:31:47,084 President of what? 1538 01:31:49,587 --> 01:31:52,131 Was he in a special mode of singing at that time? 1539 01:31:52,215 --> 01:31:54,175 Was he different than you'd seen him before? 1540 01:31:54,258 --> 01:31:56,385 It was... There was a Rolling Thunder energy. 1541 01:31:57,053 --> 01:32:00,223 That was his invention, you know, and all these people showed up. 1542 01:32:00,848 --> 01:32:01,848 So, yeah. 1543 01:32:05,186 --> 01:32:07,706 - What do you got, Larry? - The tour was very open-ended, 1544 01:32:07,730 --> 01:32:10,066 so whatever city they went to, 1545 01:32:10,358 --> 01:32:12,485 if there was a local friend and musician, 1546 01:32:12,777 --> 01:32:14,820 there would be a slot for them to come up and play. 1547 01:32:14,904 --> 01:32:17,573 For example, uh, in Connecticut, Joni Mitchell... 1548 01:32:18,157 --> 01:32:20,076 came up, did a couple of songs, 1549 01:32:20,368 --> 01:32:22,928 and loved it so much that she stayed on for the rest of the tour. 1550 01:32:22,954 --> 01:32:25,289 She just became part of the... this experience. 1551 01:32:30,753 --> 01:32:32,880 How did you two end up on the road? 1552 01:32:32,964 --> 01:32:34,483 - I don't know... - I came through Allen. 1553 01:32:34,507 --> 01:32:36,133 She came through Allen Ginsberg. 1554 01:32:36,467 --> 01:32:39,428 Um... I had finished a project and... 1555 01:32:40,137 --> 01:32:40,972 was, you know, 1556 01:32:41,055 --> 01:32:42,765 in a kind of a postnatal state 1557 01:32:42,848 --> 01:32:45,560 and wanted to come and see a concert, 1558 01:32:45,643 --> 01:32:48,312 and, uh, got sucked into it. 1559 01:32:48,396 --> 01:32:50,982 You know, just shelved everything that... 1560 01:32:51,524 --> 01:32:54,652 Everything else seemed, uh, minorly important 1561 01:32:54,735 --> 01:32:56,988 compared to this, like, as an experience, 1562 01:32:57,071 --> 01:33:01,033 and an experiment in communal existence. You know? 1563 01:33:01,909 --> 01:33:02,952 What do you think? 1564 01:33:03,035 --> 01:33:05,454 I think you've gotta come on the stage right now. 1565 01:33:05,538 --> 01:33:06,956 Okay, I'm coming. 1566 01:33:08,374 --> 01:33:11,252 ♪ Ah ♪ 1567 01:33:21,846 --> 01:33:24,724 Some days, I'd see it as this kind of allegorical thing 1568 01:33:24,807 --> 01:33:29,228 or as this group of pilgrims on a kind of journey and quest. 1569 01:33:29,312 --> 01:33:32,857 Of course, you... you know, you... the deal is you find yourself back home, 1570 01:33:32,940 --> 01:33:34,900 but you have to take this whole journey. 1571 01:33:35,443 --> 01:33:38,487 And then when you open it up to, you know, here you are in America, 1572 01:33:38,571 --> 01:33:41,824 and... and all the things that Bob seemed to care about 1573 01:33:41,907 --> 01:33:44,493 in terms of these other... the... the folk culture 1574 01:33:44,577 --> 01:33:46,245 is getting thrown in there. 1575 01:33:48,497 --> 01:33:50,708 And that's another weave. This sort of... 1576 01:33:50,791 --> 01:33:54,211 This... This American yearning for, I don't know, redemption. 1577 01:33:55,838 --> 01:34:00,092 ♪...circle be unbroken ♪ 1578 01:34:00,176 --> 01:34:04,555 ♪ By and by, Lord, by and by ♪ 1579 01:34:05,556 --> 01:34:06,724 ♪ There's a better... ♪ 1580 01:34:06,807 --> 01:34:10,394 Columbus didn't discover America. There were people here already. 1581 01:34:10,811 --> 01:34:14,440 Even though they stole most everything they could get their hands on. 1582 01:34:15,483 --> 01:34:20,029 Our land, children, women, whatever, they took it. 1583 01:34:20,821 --> 01:34:22,615 Left us very poor people. 1584 01:34:22,865 --> 01:34:25,368 A lot of our people homeless in our own country. 1585 01:34:26,285 --> 01:34:28,162 But the best things of all, 1586 01:34:29,038 --> 01:34:30,331 that they had no value, 1587 01:34:30,915 --> 01:34:32,458 was our way of life. 1588 01:34:40,466 --> 01:34:43,594 It's beautiful music when that thunder rolls. 1589 01:34:44,845 --> 01:34:46,764 And that's the way I got my name. 1590 01:34:47,431 --> 01:34:50,726 I used to scream like a little eagle is what they told me. 1591 01:34:50,893 --> 01:34:54,897 Even when I was a baby in diapers, run right out in the storm. 1592 01:34:55,690 --> 01:34:56,690 Yeah, I love it. 1593 01:34:57,233 --> 01:35:00,945 And that lightning flash, there's a lot of power in it, I tell you. 1594 01:35:03,572 --> 01:35:06,012 This tour was named after Chief Rolling Thunder. 1595 01:35:06,450 --> 01:35:11,539 So, it made sense that we go to the Tuscarora Indian Reservation and... 1596 01:35:12,957 --> 01:35:13,957 and play. 1597 01:35:14,083 --> 01:35:15,876 We're gonna let our guests get their food. 1598 01:35:16,210 --> 01:35:19,797 I was just told it's gonna be cafeteria style. 1599 01:35:20,506 --> 01:35:22,883 Bob was seated right across the table from me, 1600 01:35:22,967 --> 01:35:23,967 and he said, 1601 01:35:24,009 --> 01:35:28,389 "You remember Peter's song about Ira Hayes?" 1602 01:35:29,348 --> 01:35:33,018 And even today, there are things to write about... 1603 01:35:34,019 --> 01:35:36,188 for a cowboy, and I'm a cowboy. 1604 01:35:36,772 --> 01:35:38,858 An Indian, and I'm part Indian. 1605 01:35:39,108 --> 01:35:40,568 Or a human being. 1606 01:35:41,402 --> 01:35:43,654 This is a song about a human being, 1607 01:35:45,156 --> 01:35:46,741 who is also an Indian. 1608 01:35:49,326 --> 01:35:51,412 And if you don't remember his name, 1609 01:35:52,371 --> 01:35:55,416 I think you may after this song. 1610 01:35:55,583 --> 01:35:58,461 It's called Ira Hayes. 1611 01:36:04,925 --> 01:36:08,262 - Where would you want me to stand? - Anywhere you want. It'll be all right. 1612 01:36:31,911 --> 01:36:35,831 ♪ Come gather 'round me, people And a story I will tell ♪ 1613 01:36:36,791 --> 01:36:40,836 ♪ About Ira Hayes, an Indian You should remember well ♪ 1614 01:36:41,962 --> 01:36:46,425 ♪ From the tribe of Pima Indians A proud and a peaceful band ♪ 1615 01:36:47,259 --> 01:36:51,263 ♪ They farmed the Phoenix Valley In the Arizona land ♪ 1616 01:36:52,807 --> 01:36:57,603 ♪ Down their ditches for a thousand years The running water rushed ♪ 1617 01:36:57,853 --> 01:37:00,439 ♪ Till the white man Stole the water rights ♪ 1618 01:37:00,523 --> 01:37:02,483 ♪ And the running water hushed ♪ 1619 01:37:05,402 --> 01:37:10,491 ♪ Now Ira's folks were hungry And their farms grew crops of weeds ♪ 1620 01:37:11,325 --> 01:37:16,580 ♪ But when war came, Ira volunteered And forgot the white man's greed ♪ 1621 01:37:17,581 --> 01:37:22,086 ♪ Now they started up Iwo Jima hill With two hundred and fifty men ♪ 1622 01:37:22,837 --> 01:37:27,174 ♪ But only twenty-seven lived To walk back down that hill again ♪ 1623 01:37:27,758 --> 01:37:32,012 ♪ And when the fight was over And Old Glory raised ♪ 1624 01:37:32,763 --> 01:37:36,892 ♪ One of the men that held it high Was the Indian Ira Hayes ♪ 1625 01:37:37,810 --> 01:37:40,521 ♪ Call him drunken Ira Hayes ♪ 1626 01:37:40,604 --> 01:37:42,606 ♪ He won't answer anymore ♪ 1627 01:37:43,357 --> 01:37:45,484 ♪ Not the whiskey-drinkin' Indian ♪ 1628 01:37:45,568 --> 01:37:47,945 ♪ Or the Marine that went to war ♪ 1629 01:37:48,737 --> 01:37:51,323 ♪ Call him drunken Ira Hayes ♪ 1630 01:37:51,407 --> 01:37:53,701 ♪ He won't answer anymore ♪ 1631 01:37:54,368 --> 01:37:56,579 ♪ Not the whiskey-drinkin' Indian ♪ 1632 01:37:56,745 --> 01:37:59,456 ♪ Or the Marine that went to war ♪ 1633 01:38:00,666 --> 01:38:03,794 This is a United States diplomatic medal. 1634 01:38:04,461 --> 01:38:06,297 It has... It has, uh... 1635 01:38:07,339 --> 01:38:12,177 an Indian and the first diplomatic team of... of the United States, 1636 01:38:12,553 --> 01:38:17,725 was given in Philadelphia on July the 4th, 1776. 1637 01:38:18,559 --> 01:38:21,270 Also, been told that there's a possibility 1638 01:38:21,562 --> 01:38:23,731 that these could be the same beads, 1639 01:38:23,856 --> 01:38:26,734 these, uh, larger ones, that Peter Minuit 1640 01:38:27,484 --> 01:38:30,571 traded the... our people for Manhattan Island. 1641 01:38:30,654 --> 01:38:33,115 Will you accept this? 1642 01:38:34,700 --> 01:38:36,619 Thanks for everything. What do you say, folks? 1643 01:38:38,996 --> 01:38:40,796 But somewhere along the line, 1644 01:38:40,831 --> 01:38:42,291 something has failed, and... 1645 01:38:42,458 --> 01:38:46,170 we hope that this country can straighten out before too long, 1646 01:38:46,253 --> 01:38:49,590 because there are many things that's going to happen to shape 1647 01:38:49,673 --> 01:38:51,508 not only this country but the world. 1648 01:38:53,135 --> 01:38:54,135 Bob. 1649 01:38:55,137 --> 01:38:56,889 What you... You guys still here? 1650 01:38:58,349 --> 01:39:00,309 Can I ask just one question? 1651 01:39:06,565 --> 01:39:09,652 ♪ William Zanzinger Killed poor Hattie Carroll ♪ 1652 01:39:10,319 --> 01:39:13,989 ♪ With a cane that he twirled Round his diamond ring finger ♪ 1653 01:39:14,281 --> 01:39:17,701 ♪ At a Baltimore hotel Society gath'rin' ♪ 1654 01:39:18,285 --> 01:39:21,914 ♪ And the cops were called in And his weapon took from him ♪ 1655 01:39:22,247 --> 01:39:25,960 ♪ As they rode him in custody Down to the station ♪ 1656 01:39:26,043 --> 01:39:30,255 ♪ And booked William Zanzinger For first-degree murder ♪ 1657 01:39:33,133 --> 01:39:36,971 ♪ Yes, and you who philosophize disgrace ♪ 1658 01:39:37,054 --> 01:39:39,974 ♪ And criticize all fear ♪ 1659 01:39:41,225 --> 01:39:45,020 ♪ Take the rag away from your face ♪ 1660 01:39:45,312 --> 01:39:48,732 ♪ Now ain't the time for your tears ♪ 1661 01:39:54,279 --> 01:39:58,659 Everything is forgiven whenever I would see Bob sing. 1662 01:39:59,743 --> 01:40:01,078 It is so... 1663 01:40:01,495 --> 01:40:02,830 the charisma... 1664 01:40:03,914 --> 01:40:06,291 that he has, I've never seen anywhere, 1665 01:40:06,917 --> 01:40:08,293 before or since. 1666 01:40:09,169 --> 01:40:12,047 And the beauty of those songs... 1667 01:40:13,924 --> 01:40:14,925 I don't. 1668 01:40:15,134 --> 01:40:17,553 Jack Kerouac, uh, writes like ticker tape. 1669 01:40:18,554 --> 01:40:20,681 I used to see you write like ticker tape. 1670 01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:25,227 I used to feed you salad and red wine while you wrote like ticker tape. 1671 01:40:25,811 --> 01:40:26,687 Yeah, I remember. 1672 01:40:26,770 --> 01:40:28,856 Brilliant stuff. William Zanzinger. 1673 01:40:29,064 --> 01:40:31,150 Overlooking the Pacific. 1674 01:40:31,859 --> 01:40:34,069 The wild Pacific Ocean in Big Sur, right? 1675 01:40:34,153 --> 01:40:36,030 - William Zanzinger. - Where was that written? 1676 01:40:36,113 --> 01:40:38,741 "Hattie Carroll." One of the best songs I think you ever wrote. 1677 01:40:38,824 --> 01:40:40,544 I think it's one of the best songs you sing. 1678 01:40:40,576 --> 01:40:43,579 Thank you. How come you take it on the stage now? 1679 01:40:43,954 --> 01:40:46,123 'Cause you won't sing it. 1680 01:40:47,249 --> 01:40:48,249 Oh, Bob. 1681 01:40:49,251 --> 01:40:50,251 Sure, I will. 1682 01:40:51,211 --> 01:40:52,796 Just 'cause I screwed up the words. 1683 01:40:53,047 --> 01:40:54,927 - Well, it really... - How do you like my dress? 1684 01:40:54,965 --> 01:40:57,676 ...displeases me that you... that you went off and got married 1685 01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:59,011 and... and, uh... 1686 01:41:00,637 --> 01:41:03,140 You went off and got married first and didn't tell me. 1687 01:41:03,682 --> 01:41:05,684 Yeah, but... 1688 01:41:09,188 --> 01:41:12,399 - You should have told me or something. - But I married the woman I loved. 1689 01:41:12,483 --> 01:41:13,483 I know, that's true. 1690 01:41:14,568 --> 01:41:17,404 That's true. And I married the man I thought I loved. 1691 01:41:22,284 --> 01:41:24,244 See, that's what thought has to do with it. 1692 01:41:24,328 --> 01:41:25,829 Thought will fuck you up. 1693 01:41:27,206 --> 01:41:28,540 You're right. I agree with that. 1694 01:41:28,624 --> 01:41:30,876 See, it's heart, it's not... it's not head. 1695 01:41:39,718 --> 01:41:42,221 ♪ Hattie Carroll was A maid of the kitchen ♪ 1696 01:41:42,638 --> 01:41:46,225 ♪ She was fifty-one years old And gave birth to ten children ♪ 1697 01:41:46,725 --> 01:41:50,521 ♪ She cleaned up the dishes Hauled out the garbage ♪ 1698 01:41:50,896 --> 01:41:53,816 ♪ And never sat once At the head of the table ♪ 1699 01:41:54,608 --> 01:41:57,945 ♪ She just cleaned up All the food from the table ♪ 1700 01:41:58,529 --> 01:42:01,824 ♪ And emptied the ashtrays On a whole other level ♪ 1701 01:42:02,282 --> 01:42:06,078 ♪ Got killed by a blow Lay slain by a cane ♪ 1702 01:42:06,245 --> 01:42:09,915 ♪ That sailed through the air And came down through the room ♪ 1703 01:42:10,290 --> 01:42:13,794 ♪ Doomed and determined To destroy all the gentle ♪ 1704 01:42:14,002 --> 01:42:17,881 ♪ And she never done nothing To William Zanzinger ♪ 1705 01:42:20,801 --> 01:42:27,516 ♪ Yes, and you who philosophize disgrace And criticize all fears ♪ 1706 01:42:28,809 --> 01:42:32,771 ♪ Take the rag away from your face ♪ 1707 01:42:32,855 --> 01:42:36,066 ♪ Now ain't the time for your tears ♪ 1708 01:43:00,007 --> 01:43:03,552 ♪ In the courtroom of honor The judge pounded his gavel ♪ 1709 01:43:04,094 --> 01:43:07,681 ♪ To show that all's equal And that the courts are on the level ♪ 1710 01:43:07,890 --> 01:43:11,310 ♪ That the strings in the books Ain't pulled and persuaded ♪ 1711 01:43:11,852 --> 01:43:15,480 ♪ And that even the nobles Get properly handled ♪ 1712 01:43:15,856 --> 01:43:19,484 ♪ Once that the cops Have chased after and caught 'em ♪ 1713 01:43:19,735 --> 01:43:22,946 ♪ That the ladder of law Has no top and no bottom ♪ 1714 01:43:23,655 --> 01:43:27,326 ♪ Stared at the person Who killed for no reason ♪ 1715 01:43:27,492 --> 01:43:31,288 ♪ Who just happened to be feelin' That way without warnin' ♪ 1716 01:43:31,455 --> 01:43:35,375 ♪ And he spoke through his cloak So deep and distinguished ♪ 1717 01:43:35,709 --> 01:43:39,171 ♪ Handed out strongly For penalty and repentance ♪ 1718 01:43:39,421 --> 01:43:43,383 ♪ William Zanzinger With a six-month sentence ♪ 1719 01:43:46,011 --> 01:43:49,806 ♪ Yes, and you who philosophize disgrace ♪ 1720 01:43:49,932 --> 01:43:52,851 ♪ And criticize all fear ♪ 1721 01:43:54,186 --> 01:43:57,814 ♪ Bury the rag deep in your face ♪ 1722 01:43:58,148 --> 01:44:01,151 ♪ Now is the time for your tears ♪ 1723 01:44:25,092 --> 01:44:27,678 ♪ But sleep won't come ♪ 1724 01:44:29,388 --> 01:44:31,515 ♪ The whole night through ♪ 1725 01:44:33,642 --> 01:44:37,646 ♪ Your cheatin' heart ♪ 1726 01:44:37,938 --> 01:44:39,898 ♪ Will tell on you ♪ 1727 01:44:42,317 --> 01:44:45,570 ♪ You'll walk the floor ♪ 1728 01:44:46,655 --> 01:44:49,241 ♪ And shout my name ♪ 1729 01:44:50,951 --> 01:44:52,470 The hours are creeping down. 1730 01:44:52,494 --> 01:44:55,122 - We got to get the story. - I'm getting it! 1731 01:44:55,205 --> 01:44:58,417 I'm only up all fuckin' night when the hours are creeping down. 1732 01:44:59,042 --> 01:45:01,104 Well, I mean, you had two fuckin' weeks, Larry. 1733 01:45:01,128 --> 01:45:01,962 To do what? 1734 01:45:02,045 --> 01:45:05,275 - To get a story, instead of... - I gave you a story, I gave you... 1735 01:45:05,299 --> 01:45:07,426 That had a lot of fuckin' holes in it. 1736 01:45:07,509 --> 01:45:09,988 - Well, but you're a bureaucrat. - Oh, bullshit. 1737 01:45:10,012 --> 01:45:11,948 - Where do you get that crap? - You ask... 1738 01:45:11,972 --> 01:45:13,932 You are a bureaucrat. You ask me fuckin'... 1739 01:45:14,016 --> 01:45:15,934 uh, Wall Street Journal questions. 1740 01:45:16,018 --> 01:45:18,037 - Bullshit. - Those are the questions... 1741 01:45:18,061 --> 01:45:19,831 Everybody in the fuckin' country wants to know... 1742 01:45:19,855 --> 01:45:23,066 You're asking me music business questions, man. 1743 01:45:23,483 --> 01:45:24,711 That's part of it, isn't it? 1744 01:45:24,735 --> 01:45:26,462 But that's not what the kids wanna read. 1745 01:45:26,486 --> 01:45:29,281 - How do you know? - I know kids, man! I ask them. 1746 01:45:29,364 --> 01:45:33,118 ♪...and call my name ♪ 1747 01:45:33,201 --> 01:45:36,288 Rolling Stone magazine was interested in the economics, 1748 01:45:36,371 --> 01:45:38,290 how much are these people getting paid... 1749 01:45:38,373 --> 01:45:41,084 You know, why are they playing bigger halls as the tour went on? 1750 01:45:41,168 --> 01:45:43,128 Those were the kind of questions they were asking, 1751 01:45:43,211 --> 01:45:44,651 and I didn't give a shit about that. 1752 01:45:44,713 --> 01:45:48,717 I mean, what I was concerned with was, you know, chronicling this... 1753 01:45:49,593 --> 01:45:51,470 this, uh, cultural event. 1754 01:45:52,846 --> 01:45:55,182 - Can I offer you a beer? - Sure. 1755 01:45:57,184 --> 01:45:58,935 - There we go. - Thank you. 1756 01:46:00,312 --> 01:46:02,689 There ain't too many Medicis around these days, 1757 01:46:03,065 --> 01:46:06,276 and whether you're out on the road with a lot of people, 1758 01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:07,652 or you're making a movie, 1759 01:46:07,736 --> 01:46:11,031 or any kind of creative endeavor that takes resources, 1760 01:46:11,865 --> 01:46:12,865 you need money. 1761 01:46:12,949 --> 01:46:15,410 And you gotta go to somebody who believes 1762 01:46:15,494 --> 01:46:18,497 that they're gonna get their money back and maybe a little more. 1763 01:46:18,580 --> 01:46:21,583 So, yeah, there's always this natural tension 1764 01:46:21,666 --> 01:46:22,918 between art and commerce. 1765 01:46:23,001 --> 01:46:25,063 Okay, how 'bout... We gotta cut one of Jack's. 1766 01:46:25,087 --> 01:46:28,232 - He says to cut "Muleskinner." - He wants to cut "Muleskinner." 1767 01:46:28,256 --> 01:46:30,217 All right. Okay. 1768 01:46:31,051 --> 01:46:32,719 I'll talk to Bob about this. 1769 01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:36,515 - All right, Allen's gonna do something? - Five minutes. Very brief. 1770 01:46:36,598 --> 01:46:39,410 You got a whole different audience. Did you look at those people? 1771 01:46:39,434 --> 01:46:42,354 They're not familiar with Dylan or Baez or anybody else. 1772 01:46:42,437 --> 01:46:43,271 Right. 1773 01:46:43,355 --> 01:46:45,715 If you go up and spill poetry for any length of time, 1774 01:46:45,774 --> 01:46:47,734 they're gonna be, you know, gone, you know? 1775 01:46:47,818 --> 01:46:49,319 Make it two minutes, Allen. 1776 01:46:49,403 --> 01:46:51,238 Two minutes is plenty, I'm telling you. 1777 01:46:51,321 --> 01:46:52,864 - Okay. - What about more cuts? 1778 01:46:52,948 --> 01:46:54,866 - Two minutes. - We're still cutting. 1779 01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:57,202 The show was originally three hours. 1780 01:46:57,285 --> 01:47:00,372 Ginsberg, who appeared in the show originally, 1781 01:47:00,997 --> 01:47:04,584 there was not enough time for him to perform during the show, 1782 01:47:04,668 --> 01:47:06,711 so his section was cut. 1783 01:47:10,715 --> 01:47:13,760 He and Peter Orlovsky became the baggage handlers. 1784 01:47:15,137 --> 01:47:18,807 We would put our bags outside the door, and he would take them every day. 1785 01:47:19,641 --> 01:47:21,059 You're a fuckin' luggage handler? 1786 01:47:21,143 --> 01:47:23,645 - God, yeah, and I give massages sometimes. - You're a poet! 1787 01:47:23,728 --> 01:47:26,314 I make myself useful around, on the, uh... 1788 01:47:27,023 --> 01:47:31,403 Uh... helping Chris with the newsletter and putting out the newsletter. 1789 01:47:31,486 --> 01:47:32,904 - You do errands? - Errands, right. 1790 01:47:32,988 --> 01:47:34,531 I can't believe this shit. 1791 01:47:34,614 --> 01:47:37,367 What kind of tour is this? You're a fuckin' great poet, Peter. 1792 01:47:37,451 --> 01:47:40,871 I'm learning... Been practicing banjo, and I've been sitting every morning... 1793 01:47:40,954 --> 01:47:44,166 Uh, tomorrow morning, we're gonna sit with Allen for one hour. 1794 01:47:44,249 --> 01:47:46,585 - To do what? - After we wake up, sit and meditate. 1795 01:47:49,087 --> 01:47:51,423 At a party at Gordon Lightfoot's house, 1796 01:47:51,506 --> 01:47:52,966 Toronto, Canada. 1797 01:48:19,117 --> 01:48:22,496 Joni Mitchell, she would go out and do her new songs. 1798 01:48:22,579 --> 01:48:23,872 She wouldn't do any hits. 1799 01:48:24,289 --> 01:48:27,459 And the audience reaction was a little sort of muted 1800 01:48:27,542 --> 01:48:28,835 for these new songs, 1801 01:48:28,919 --> 01:48:31,421 as it usually is when artists try to do new songs. 1802 01:48:31,505 --> 01:48:33,548 And I remember, she came off and she said, 1803 01:48:33,632 --> 01:48:36,927 "McGuinn, I don't know why I'm so scared out there. I just don't..." 1804 01:48:37,010 --> 01:48:38,553 I said, "You're just doing new songs. 1805 01:48:38,637 --> 01:48:40,437 You ought to do something that they recognize, 1806 01:48:40,514 --> 01:48:42,349 and then they'll, you know, loosen up." 1807 01:48:42,432 --> 01:48:45,727 She said, "No, no, I... I can't do that. I think that's a bad idea." 1808 01:48:52,025 --> 01:48:56,196 I admired her for her courage to do the new stuff only. 1809 01:48:58,615 --> 01:49:00,909 Joni wrote this song about this tour, 1810 01:49:00,992 --> 01:49:03,370 and on this tour, and for this tour. 1811 01:49:23,014 --> 01:49:24,182 Okay, D-minor now. 1812 01:49:28,603 --> 01:49:30,063 Yeah, some dissonance. 1813 01:49:31,356 --> 01:49:37,153 I had been loudly proclaiming that my three favorite male songwriters 1814 01:49:37,529 --> 01:49:40,156 were Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, and Kinky Friedman. 1815 01:49:40,949 --> 01:49:45,870 So, Jonistarted interrogating me backstage one day, saying, 1816 01:49:46,621 --> 01:49:48,206 "What do you mean, male? 1817 01:49:48,290 --> 01:49:50,458 Why do you make that distinction, male songwriters? 1818 01:49:50,542 --> 01:49:52,210 I mean, what about my stuff? 1819 01:49:52,419 --> 01:49:55,338 I mean, don't you characterize my stuff, like, you know, 1820 01:49:55,422 --> 01:49:57,882 in the same league as Bob and Leonard Cohen?" 1821 01:50:00,552 --> 01:50:02,637 And we got into this long discussion about, 1822 01:50:02,721 --> 01:50:06,182 well, the male versus female perspective, and anima-animus, 1823 01:50:06,266 --> 01:50:08,810 and, you know, male-female dynamic, and everything, you know. 1824 01:50:08,893 --> 01:50:12,731 But it became this long, drawn-out confrontation, 1825 01:50:12,814 --> 01:50:14,274 and we bonded on that. 1826 01:50:15,442 --> 01:50:17,152 ♪ No regrets, Coyote ♪ 1827 01:50:17,861 --> 01:50:20,905 ♪ We just come from such different sets Of circumstance ♪ 1828 01:50:20,989 --> 01:50:22,699 ♪ I'm up all night in the studios ♪ 1829 01:50:22,782 --> 01:50:26,453 ♪ And you're up early on your ranch ♪ 1830 01:50:26,995 --> 01:50:29,289 ♪ Brushing out a broodmare's tail ♪ 1831 01:50:29,456 --> 01:50:31,041 ♪ While the sun is ascending ♪ 1832 01:50:31,124 --> 01:50:34,961 ♪ And I'll just be getting home With my reel-to-reel ♪ 1833 01:50:35,545 --> 01:50:37,255 ♪ There's no comprehending ♪ 1834 01:50:38,006 --> 01:50:40,425 ♪ Just how close To the bone and the skin ♪ 1835 01:50:40,675 --> 01:50:43,428 ♪ And the eyes and the lips you can get ♪ 1836 01:50:43,887 --> 01:50:46,389 ♪ And still feel so alone ♪ 1837 01:50:46,931 --> 01:50:49,059 ♪ And still feel related ♪ 1838 01:50:49,517 --> 01:50:51,519 ♪ Like stations in a relay ♪ 1839 01:50:51,936 --> 01:50:54,939 ♪ You're not a hit-and-run driver No, no ♪ 1840 01:50:55,565 --> 01:50:57,150 ♪ Racing away ♪ 1841 01:50:58,234 --> 01:51:00,070 ♪ You just picked up a hitcher ♪ 1842 01:51:00,654 --> 01:51:05,408 ♪ A prisoner of the white lines On the freeway ♪ 1843 01:51:15,418 --> 01:51:17,462 ♪ We saw a farmhouse burning down ♪ 1844 01:51:18,296 --> 01:51:21,007 ♪ In the middle of nowhere In the middle of the night ♪ 1845 01:51:21,132 --> 01:51:23,343 ♪ And we rolled right past that tragedy ♪ 1846 01:51:23,551 --> 01:51:26,346 ♪ Till we came to some roadside lights ♪ 1847 01:51:26,638 --> 01:51:29,015 ♪ And a local band was playing ♪ 1848 01:51:29,099 --> 01:51:32,185 ♪ Locals were mincin' And shakin' on the floor ♪ 1849 01:51:32,477 --> 01:51:33,978 ♪ The next thing I know ♪ 1850 01:51:35,271 --> 01:51:36,815 ♪ That Coyote's at my door ♪ 1851 01:51:37,899 --> 01:51:40,694 ♪ And he pins me in a corner And he won't take no ♪ 1852 01:51:41,111 --> 01:51:42,946 ♪ He drags me out on the dance floor ♪ 1853 01:51:43,029 --> 01:51:46,032 ♪ And we're dancin' close and slow ♪ 1854 01:51:46,366 --> 01:51:48,493 ♪ He's got a woman at home ♪ 1855 01:51:48,827 --> 01:51:52,080 ♪ One for the night And now he wants one for the day ♪ 1856 01:51:52,414 --> 01:51:56,501 ♪ Oh, why'd you have to get so drunk And lead me on that way? ♪ 1857 01:51:57,711 --> 01:51:59,629 ♪ You just picked up a hitcher ♪ 1858 01:52:00,296 --> 01:52:04,467 ♪ A prisoner of the white lines And the freeway ♪ 1859 01:52:32,954 --> 01:52:34,581 Let's call Hopper, man. 1860 01:52:34,664 --> 01:52:36,458 Fuck yeah. Let me change channels. 1861 01:52:36,541 --> 01:52:38,251 Why do you have that? 1862 01:52:38,334 --> 01:52:39,878 What are you on, channel 31? 1863 01:52:39,961 --> 01:52:41,796 - Uh, give me, uh... - Okay. 1864 01:52:42,005 --> 01:52:42,839 Okay. 1865 01:52:42,922 --> 01:52:45,967 ♪ I took my troubles Down to Madame Rue ♪ 1866 01:52:46,885 --> 01:52:49,971 ♪ You know that gypsy With the gold-capped tooth ♪ 1867 01:52:50,555 --> 01:52:53,892 ♪ She's got a pad Down on Thirty-Fourth and Vine ♪ 1868 01:52:54,392 --> 01:52:59,564 ♪ Sellin' little bottles Of Love Potion Number Nine ♪ 1869 01:52:59,647 --> 01:53:01,065 What poetry is, 1870 01:53:01,941 --> 01:53:04,861 the natural object, where we are now, 1871 01:53:04,944 --> 01:53:06,696 is always adequate symbol, 1872 01:53:06,780 --> 01:53:09,616 so you don't have to invent romantic myths, 1873 01:53:10,033 --> 01:53:12,702 diamond dancers on oceansides. 1874 01:53:13,953 --> 01:53:18,124 The scratching of the pen or the noise in the back of the bar 1875 01:53:18,541 --> 01:53:19,667 is part of the music. 1876 01:53:21,211 --> 01:53:24,756 ♪ She bent down, turned around And gave me a wink ♪ 1877 01:53:25,006 --> 01:53:28,384 ♪ She said, "I'm gonna mix it up Right here in the sink" ♪ 1878 01:53:28,718 --> 01:53:30,553 ♪ It smelled like turpentine... ♪ 1879 01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:33,848 I've never had more faith in America 1880 01:53:34,516 --> 01:53:35,558 than I do today. 1881 01:53:36,351 --> 01:53:37,644 We have an America 1882 01:53:38,186 --> 01:53:39,896 that, in Bob Dylan's phrase, 1883 01:53:40,438 --> 01:53:42,190 is busy being born, 1884 01:53:43,525 --> 01:53:44,776 not busy dying. 1885 01:53:48,154 --> 01:53:50,990 I was very enamored of Jimmy Carter. 1886 01:53:51,074 --> 01:53:54,994 He... I thought he was a really soulful, interesting guy, 1887 01:53:55,078 --> 01:53:56,246 and he liked me. 1888 01:53:56,788 --> 01:53:59,874 So, you know, Imaintained a relationship with him for a long time. 1889 01:53:59,958 --> 01:54:01,167 And he's the guy 1890 01:54:01,709 --> 01:54:05,338 who got me into the Rolling Thunder concert that night. 1891 01:54:05,547 --> 01:54:06,756 Jimmy Carter. 1892 01:54:07,340 --> 01:54:08,508 Which is another story. 1893 01:54:09,467 --> 01:54:13,137 I was... I was one of the youngest members of the Congress. 1894 01:54:13,221 --> 01:54:14,931 And so I was, um... 1895 01:54:16,140 --> 01:54:19,269 Yeah, I mean, I was torn between two generations there. 1896 01:54:19,352 --> 01:54:22,480 I was being pulled in both... You know, you want to get anything done, 1897 01:54:22,564 --> 01:54:24,691 you have to get along with people in the Congress. 1898 01:54:24,858 --> 01:54:28,361 You know, you don't get anything done anymore because nobody wants to, but... 1899 01:54:28,736 --> 01:54:30,905 in my day you, you know, you made an effort 1900 01:54:31,155 --> 01:54:32,365 to get along with these guys. 1901 01:54:32,448 --> 01:54:34,492 And most of them were considerably older than I was. 1902 01:54:34,576 --> 01:54:38,413 And Dylan was considered the enemy, really, by a lot of these guys. 1903 01:54:38,746 --> 01:54:41,541 I had grown up in this era where, you know, you wanted to be an adult, 1904 01:54:41,624 --> 01:54:44,085 you wanted to drink a martini with your dad, you know. 1905 01:54:44,168 --> 01:54:45,211 And now... 1906 01:54:45,503 --> 01:54:48,131 you know, "Never trust anybody over 30." Right? 1907 01:54:48,214 --> 01:54:51,092 And I'm caught in the middle of this, and I'm dealing in the Congress 1908 01:54:51,175 --> 01:54:52,760 with all these old guys, and... 1909 01:54:52,927 --> 01:54:55,555 You know, it's an interesting conundrum. 1910 01:54:56,598 --> 01:54:59,518 My own interest in the criminal justice system 1911 01:54:59,601 --> 01:55:00,935 is very heartfelt. 1912 01:55:01,436 --> 01:55:03,646 One of the sources for my understanding about 1913 01:55:03,771 --> 01:55:05,523 what's right and wrong in this society 1914 01:55:05,607 --> 01:55:08,318 is from a personal, very close friend of mine 1915 01:55:08,693 --> 01:55:10,653 a great poet named Bob Dylan. 1916 01:55:11,696 --> 01:55:15,199 After listening to his records about "The Ballad of Hattie Carroll" 1917 01:55:15,283 --> 01:55:17,160 and "Like a Rolling Stone," 1918 01:55:17,744 --> 01:55:23,666 I've learned to appreciate the dynamism of change in a modern society. 1919 01:55:24,542 --> 01:55:27,587 I grew up as a landowner's son, 1920 01:55:27,962 --> 01:55:31,132 but I don't think I ever realized that the proper interrelationship 1921 01:55:31,215 --> 01:55:33,968 between the landowner and those who worked on a farm 1922 01:55:34,385 --> 01:55:36,846 until I heard Dylan's record, 1923 01:55:36,930 --> 01:55:39,349 "I Ain't Gonna Work On Maggie's Farm No More." 1924 01:55:40,433 --> 01:55:42,953 So I went to this meeting, I believe it was in Atlanta. 1925 01:55:43,478 --> 01:55:47,690 Jimmy was there, and he and I spoke about a few things. 1926 01:55:47,774 --> 01:55:51,402 And I can't remember exactly what was left unsaid, 1927 01:55:51,486 --> 01:55:54,072 but I told him that I would call him back that night, 1928 01:55:54,155 --> 01:55:56,074 and we were gonna finish this conversation. 1929 01:55:56,157 --> 01:55:57,700 I had to get to the airport. 1930 01:55:58,201 --> 01:56:00,328 So I get on the flight, I'm trying to get home. 1931 01:56:00,828 --> 01:56:05,375 And I got caught in a storm, and we got diverted to Niagara Falls. 1932 01:56:06,042 --> 01:56:08,962 And I get stashed in this cheesy little motel 1933 01:56:09,045 --> 01:56:10,546 that the airline put us up in. 1934 01:56:11,005 --> 01:56:12,725 I called Jimmy to say I hadn't reached home, 1935 01:56:12,757 --> 01:56:15,009 but we could talk tomorrow, and he said, "Where are you?" 1936 01:56:15,093 --> 01:56:17,387 And I said, "I'm in Niagara Falls." And he says, "Well, 1937 01:56:17,470 --> 01:56:19,764 you just hit the jackpot because... 1938 01:56:19,847 --> 01:56:22,934 because Bob Dylan's doing this Rolling Thunder concert 1939 01:56:23,017 --> 01:56:25,144 there tonight, and you can go." 1940 01:56:25,603 --> 01:56:29,232 He said, "I'll call him and I'll get you in." 1941 01:56:29,691 --> 01:56:32,151 Dylan! 1942 01:56:33,069 --> 01:56:34,862 Dylan, you're beautiful! 1943 01:56:36,823 --> 01:56:39,325 Uncle Sam is going to sing 1944 01:56:39,409 --> 01:56:42,537 one of his versions of "The Star-Spangled Banner." 1945 01:56:42,787 --> 01:56:43,787 Ladies and gentlemen... 1946 01:56:43,830 --> 01:56:46,541 I saw the best minds of my generation 1947 01:56:46,624 --> 01:56:48,334 destroyed by madness, 1948 01:56:48,418 --> 01:56:49,627 starving hysterical... 1949 01:56:49,752 --> 01:56:52,255 This song about a human being 1950 01:56:52,338 --> 01:56:53,589 who is also an Indian. 1951 01:56:55,550 --> 01:56:58,803 - "Let America be America again." - And if you don't remember... 1952 01:56:58,886 --> 01:57:00,972 "Let it be the dream it used to be." 1953 01:57:08,312 --> 01:57:09,992 No, I'm sorry, you... you can't... 1954 01:57:10,023 --> 01:57:12,859 - Excuse me. You can't shoot in here. - You need authorization. 1955 01:57:12,942 --> 01:57:14,819 You cannot shoot in here, sir. 1956 01:57:14,902 --> 01:57:17,780 - Why can't I shoot in here? - He's running the camera. 1957 01:57:17,864 --> 01:57:19,344 What organization are you from? 1958 01:57:21,826 --> 01:57:23,494 Do you know where you're going to? 1959 01:57:23,578 --> 01:57:25,121 I don't know. You'll have to ask him. 1960 01:57:26,539 --> 01:57:30,501 I'm sorry you had the hassle. Uh, we didn't know you were coming. 1961 01:57:31,335 --> 01:57:32,335 Obviously. 1962 01:57:32,378 --> 01:57:34,148 We just happened to be in the neighborhood. 1963 01:57:34,172 --> 01:57:37,050 - I heard it was you. - I brought a friend if you don't mind. 1964 01:57:37,133 --> 01:57:40,011 No, I don't mind, but I'm sorry you had any trouble downstairs. 1965 01:57:40,094 --> 01:57:41,554 Uh, Irwin, this is Bob. 1966 01:57:41,637 --> 01:57:42,847 - How are you? - Good. 1967 01:57:42,930 --> 01:57:44,182 But if you're looking... 1968 01:57:45,224 --> 01:57:46,726 to help the guy, in effect, 1969 01:57:46,934 --> 01:57:50,646 you know, and your purpose is a social one rather than a record one, 1970 01:57:51,022 --> 01:57:54,275 then I think it probably would make sense, you know, to comment, you know, early. 1971 01:57:54,358 --> 01:57:56,986 You know what I'm saying? I don't know what your motivations are. 1972 01:57:57,320 --> 01:57:59,840 You're kind of throwing it out and I haven't given a lot of thought. 1973 01:57:59,864 --> 01:58:01,532 I think there's a Top 40 AM problem. 1974 01:58:01,616 --> 01:58:05,453 Conversely, there may be a lot of black radio play, 1975 01:58:05,536 --> 01:58:06,954 for example, in the east. 1976 01:58:07,205 --> 01:58:09,916 - Or you make it AM play. - So WWRL would... 1977 01:58:09,999 --> 01:58:12,835 It's a Bob Dylan statement, that it is unique. 1978 01:58:12,919 --> 01:58:14,271 Whoever wants to play it can play it, 1979 01:58:14,295 --> 01:58:15,975 but the idea is he wants it on the streets, 1980 01:58:16,005 --> 01:58:18,257 so people can do with it what they want. 1981 01:58:18,341 --> 01:58:19,842 But with those caveats, 1982 01:58:19,926 --> 01:58:22,970 your motivation is to try to do what you can for the guy, 1983 01:58:23,054 --> 01:58:25,454 then it probably makes sense to do it as quickly as possible. 1984 01:58:25,515 --> 01:58:27,809 - That's the motivation. - Uh... 1985 01:58:27,892 --> 01:58:31,104 ♪ Pistol shots ring out In a barroom night ♪ 1986 01:58:31,646 --> 01:58:35,358 ♪ Enter Patty Valentine From the upper hall ♪ 1987 01:58:35,775 --> 01:58:39,028 ♪ She sees the bartender In a pool of blood ♪ 1988 01:58:39,612 --> 01:58:43,199 ♪ Cries out, "My God They killed them all"... ♪ 1989 01:58:43,282 --> 01:58:46,452 If they can get it out on the street in a week that's, you know, that's good. 1990 01:58:46,536 --> 01:58:47,995 That's what they were talking about. 1991 01:58:49,122 --> 01:58:52,041 Rubin Carter was an amazing boxer, 1992 01:58:52,125 --> 01:58:53,000 middleweight, 1993 01:58:53,084 --> 01:58:54,794 who had been framed 1994 01:58:55,419 --> 01:58:57,713 for a murder in New Jersey 1995 01:58:57,797 --> 01:59:01,425 and was languishing now in Rahway State Prison. 1996 01:59:02,677 --> 01:59:04,277 Bob wrote this incredible song, 1997 01:59:04,846 --> 01:59:08,641 "Hurricane," and was very concerned about getting him out. 1998 01:59:09,267 --> 01:59:12,854 I'd written songs about boxers before, so that was nothing new, but, uh... 1999 01:59:13,938 --> 01:59:16,357 I hadn't really thought about, uh, Hurricane... 2000 01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:19,318 because I didn't know about Hurricane. 2001 01:59:19,610 --> 01:59:20,610 Uh... 2002 01:59:21,028 --> 01:59:22,028 It... 2003 01:59:23,114 --> 01:59:24,949 It never really crossed my path. 2004 01:59:26,367 --> 01:59:27,967 I got the book. I read it. 2005 01:59:27,994 --> 01:59:30,997 Um, I, you know, made a mental note that if I was coming east, 2006 01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:33,249 or if I was east, I would, uh, visit him. 2007 01:59:33,499 --> 01:59:36,294 We were there for, you know, most of the day, 2008 01:59:36,377 --> 01:59:37,628 as far as I can remember. 2009 01:59:37,837 --> 01:59:40,923 Uh, we got there in the morning and then left him when it was dark. 2010 01:59:41,757 --> 01:59:43,217 I realized the man's philosophy 2011 01:59:43,301 --> 01:59:46,679 and my philosophy were running on the same road. 2012 01:59:46,888 --> 01:59:49,765 You know, and, uh, you don't meet too many people like that, 2013 01:59:49,849 --> 01:59:55,062 you know, that you just know that kinda on the same path, mentally, you know. 2014 01:59:55,146 --> 01:59:56,272 Yeah. 2015 01:59:56,355 --> 02:00:00,401 Dylan was different than other people who came to see me. 2016 02:00:00,776 --> 02:00:03,571 I mean, other people would ask the obvious questions. 2017 02:00:03,654 --> 02:00:05,198 "Rubin, are you guilty?" 2018 02:00:05,573 --> 02:00:08,784 You know, "Did you commit this crime?" "Did you do that?" You know. 2019 02:00:08,868 --> 02:00:10,328 But Dylan wasn't asking that. 2020 02:00:10,828 --> 02:00:14,373 Not at all. It seemed like he was searching for something else. 2021 02:00:14,665 --> 02:00:16,417 It was as if he was saying, 2022 02:00:17,543 --> 02:00:18,544 "Who are you, man?" 2023 02:00:19,045 --> 02:00:21,422 You know, "Are you what I see?" 2024 02:00:22,590 --> 02:00:26,928 I had a friend of mine send me his lyrics to his songs, 2025 02:00:27,511 --> 02:00:29,138 and so I could read his lyrics, 2026 02:00:29,222 --> 02:00:33,601 so I can get an... an idea of who I'm talkin' to here, you know. 2027 02:00:34,518 --> 02:00:35,518 And... 2028 02:00:35,853 --> 02:00:39,523 I found something that was, uh, very interesting.Very... 2029 02:00:39,857 --> 02:00:41,234 That really connected us. 2030 02:00:41,525 --> 02:00:46,280 Both of us were... were performers and crowd-pleasers. 2031 02:00:46,572 --> 02:00:49,033 You know, me with the vicious left hook, 2032 02:00:49,825 --> 02:00:54,080 you know, whose parents grew up in the Jim Crow South, 2033 02:00:54,664 --> 02:01:00,378 and Dylan, uh, you know, with his... uh... the troubadour. 2034 02:01:00,836 --> 02:01:03,636 So you got back, and you had the germ of an idea to do a song? 2035 02:01:03,714 --> 02:01:04,858 - Yeah. - Why? 2036 02:01:04,882 --> 02:01:07,176 I mean, you know, is this a return to protest... 2037 02:01:07,301 --> 02:01:08,594 I mean... 2038 02:01:08,678 --> 02:01:11,681 You know, is this, uh, "Hattie Carroll" revisited? 2039 02:01:12,932 --> 02:01:15,851 Um, there's an injustice that has been done, you know. 2040 02:01:15,935 --> 02:01:18,437 And the fact is that it can happen to anybody. 2041 02:01:18,521 --> 02:01:19,957 - Mm-hmm. - You know? 2042 02:01:19,981 --> 02:01:22,525 - And we have to be confronted with that. - So... So... 2043 02:01:23,025 --> 02:01:25,027 This song is called "Hurricane." 2044 02:01:26,821 --> 02:01:28,864 If you got any political pull at all, 2045 02:01:28,948 --> 02:01:31,367 maybe you can help us get this man out of jail, 2046 02:01:31,993 --> 02:01:33,536 back onto the streets. 2047 02:01:58,477 --> 02:02:01,314 ♪ Pistol shots ring out In the barroom night ♪ 2048 02:02:01,814 --> 02:02:04,817 ♪ Enter Patty Valentine From the outer hall ♪ 2049 02:02:05,276 --> 02:02:07,987 ♪ She sees the bartender In a pool of blood ♪ 2050 02:02:08,279 --> 02:02:11,282 ♪ Cries out, "My God, They've killed 'em all!" ♪ 2051 02:02:11,949 --> 02:02:14,410 ♪ Here comes the story of the Hurricane ♪ 2052 02:02:15,328 --> 02:02:17,705 ♪ The man the authorities came to blame ♪ 2053 02:02:18,581 --> 02:02:20,583 ♪ For somethin' that he never done ♪ 2054 02:02:21,876 --> 02:02:25,421 ♪ Put in a prison cell But one time he coulda been ♪ 2055 02:02:25,671 --> 02:02:27,965 ♪ The champion of the world ♪ 2056 02:02:36,599 --> 02:02:38,893 ♪ Three bodies lyin' there Does Patty see ♪ 2057 02:02:39,894 --> 02:02:43,064 ♪ And another man named Bello Movin' mysteriously ♪ 2058 02:02:43,189 --> 02:02:45,941 ♪ "I didn't do it," he says And he throws up his hands ♪ 2059 02:02:46,025 --> 02:02:49,362 ♪ "I was only robbin' the register You understand ♪ 2060 02:02:49,737 --> 02:02:52,323 ♪ I saw them leave, though" he says And he stops ♪ 2061 02:02:52,990 --> 02:02:55,618 ♪ "One of us had better Call on the cops" ♪ 2062 02:02:56,243 --> 02:02:58,412 ♪ And so Patty calls the cops ♪ 2063 02:02:59,538 --> 02:03:03,167 ♪ And they arrive on the scene With their red lights flashin' ♪ 2064 02:03:03,250 --> 02:03:05,169 ♪ In the hot New Jersey night ♪ 2065 02:03:14,011 --> 02:03:16,514 ♪ Meanwhile, far away In another part of town ♪ 2066 02:03:16,680 --> 02:03:19,892 ♪ Rubin Carter and a couple of friends Are drivin' around ♪ 2067 02:03:20,142 --> 02:03:23,062 ♪ Number one contender For the middleweight crown ♪ 2068 02:03:23,354 --> 02:03:26,524 ♪ Had no idea what kinda shit Was about to go down ♪ 2069 02:03:27,066 --> 02:03:29,568 ♪ When a cop pulled him over To the side of the road ♪ 2070 02:03:30,194 --> 02:03:33,114 ♪ Just like the time before And the time before that ♪ 2071 02:03:33,197 --> 02:03:35,574 ♪ In Paterson, that's the way things go ♪ 2072 02:03:35,908 --> 02:03:40,079 ♪ If you're black, you might as well Not show up on the streets ♪ 2073 02:03:40,287 --> 02:03:42,832 ♪ 'Less you want to draw the heat ♪ 2074 02:03:51,048 --> 02:03:53,634 ♪ Alfred Bello, he laid this rap On the cops ♪ 2075 02:03:53,717 --> 02:03:56,804 ♪ "Me and Arthur Dexter Bradley Were in here prowlin' around ♪ 2076 02:03:57,138 --> 02:04:00,141 ♪ We saw two men runnin' out of here They looked like middleweights ♪ 2077 02:04:00,433 --> 02:04:03,686 ♪ Jumped into a white car With out-of-state plates" ♪ 2078 02:04:04,061 --> 02:04:06,730 ♪ And Miss Patty Valentine Just nodded her head ♪ 2079 02:04:06,856 --> 02:04:09,608 ♪ Cop said, "Wait a minute, boys This one's not dead" ♪ 2080 02:04:09,692 --> 02:04:12,361 ♪ So they took him to the infirmary ♪ 2081 02:04:13,612 --> 02:04:15,573 ♪ And though this man could hardly see ♪ 2082 02:04:15,656 --> 02:04:19,452 ♪ They told him that he could identify The guilty men ♪ 2083 02:04:27,960 --> 02:04:30,296 ♪ Four in the mornin' And they haul Rubin in ♪ 2084 02:04:30,963 --> 02:04:34,049 ♪ Took him to the hospital And they brought him upstairs ♪ 2085 02:04:34,133 --> 02:04:36,886 ♪ The wounded man looks up Through his one dyin' eye ♪ 2086 02:04:37,136 --> 02:04:40,514 ♪ Says, "Why'd you bring him in here for? He ain't the guy!" ♪ 2087 02:04:40,764 --> 02:04:43,184 ♪ Yes, here's the story of the Hurricane ♪ 2088 02:04:44,018 --> 02:04:46,395 ♪ The man the authorities came to blame ♪ 2089 02:04:47,229 --> 02:04:49,315 ♪ For somethin' that he never done ♪ 2090 02:04:50,399 --> 02:04:53,652 ♪ Put in a prison cell But one time he coulda been ♪ 2091 02:04:54,069 --> 02:04:56,238 ♪ The champion of the world ♪ 2092 02:05:04,663 --> 02:05:07,291 ♪ Four months later The ghettos are in flame ♪ 2093 02:05:07,625 --> 02:05:10,503 ♪ Rubin's in South America Fightin' for his name ♪ 2094 02:05:11,086 --> 02:05:13,756 ♪ Arthur Dexter Bradley's Still in the robbery game ♪ 2095 02:05:13,839 --> 02:05:15,639 ♪ And the cops are Puttin' the screws to him ♪ 2096 02:05:15,674 --> 02:05:17,384 ♪ Lookin' for someone to blame ♪ 2097 02:05:17,593 --> 02:05:20,054 ♪ "Remember that murder That happened in a bar? ♪ 2098 02:05:20,763 --> 02:05:23,265 ♪ Remember you said you saw The getaway car? ♪ 2099 02:05:23,682 --> 02:05:26,227 ♪ You think you'd like to play ball With the law? ♪ 2100 02:05:26,936 --> 02:05:30,356 ♪ Think it mighta been that fighter That you saw runnin' that night? ♪ 2101 02:05:30,439 --> 02:05:33,817 ♪ Don't forget now, you're white" ♪ 2102 02:05:41,200 --> 02:05:43,911 ♪ Arthur Dexter Bradley said "I'm really not sure" ♪ 2103 02:05:44,328 --> 02:05:46,914 ♪ Cops said "A poor boy like you could use a break ♪ 2104 02:05:47,331 --> 02:05:50,626 ♪ We got you for the motel job We're talkin' to your friend Bello ♪ 2105 02:05:50,709 --> 02:05:54,171 ♪ You don't wanna have to go back to jail Be a nice fellow ♪ 2106 02:05:54,296 --> 02:05:56,882 ♪ You'll be doin' society a favor ♪ 2107 02:05:57,341 --> 02:06:00,177 ♪ That son of a bitch is brave And gettin' braver ♪ 2108 02:06:00,553 --> 02:06:02,680 ♪ We want to put his ass in stir ♪ 2109 02:06:03,764 --> 02:06:07,101 ♪ We want to pin this triple murder On him ♪ 2110 02:06:07,393 --> 02:06:09,853 ♪ He ain't no Gentleman Jim" ♪ 2111 02:06:17,861 --> 02:06:20,614 ♪ All of Rubin's cards were marked In advance ♪ 2112 02:06:20,906 --> 02:06:23,826 ♪ The trial was a pig-circus He never had a chance ♪ 2113 02:06:24,076 --> 02:06:27,121 ♪ The judge made Rubin's witnesses Drunkards from the slums ♪ 2114 02:06:27,204 --> 02:06:30,416 ♪ To the white folks who watched He was a revolutionary bum ♪ 2115 02:06:30,749 --> 02:06:33,377 ♪ And to the black folks He was just a crazy nigger ♪ 2116 02:06:34,128 --> 02:06:36,547 ♪ No one doubted That he pulled the trigger ♪ 2117 02:06:37,172 --> 02:06:39,550 ♪ And though they could not produce The gun ♪ 2118 02:06:40,342 --> 02:06:43,512 ♪ The DA said he was the one Who did the deed ♪ 2119 02:06:43,762 --> 02:06:46,599 ♪ And the all-white jury agreed ♪ 2120 02:06:54,773 --> 02:06:56,984 ♪ Rubin Carter was falsely tried ♪ 2121 02:06:57,401 --> 02:07:00,279 ♪ The crime was murder one Guess who testified? ♪ 2122 02:07:00,946 --> 02:07:03,282 ♪ Bello and Bradley, and they both lied ♪ 2123 02:07:03,741 --> 02:07:06,910 ♪ And the newspapers They all went along for the ride ♪ 2124 02:07:07,286 --> 02:07:09,455 ♪ How can the life of such a man ♪ 2125 02:07:10,539 --> 02:07:13,000 ♪ Be in the palm of some fool's hand? ♪ 2126 02:07:13,459 --> 02:07:15,753 ♪ To see him obviously framed ♪ 2127 02:07:16,837 --> 02:07:20,174 ♪ Couldn't help but make me feel ashamed To live in a land ♪ 2128 02:07:20,507 --> 02:07:23,135 ♪ Where justice is a game ♪ 2129 02:07:30,726 --> 02:07:33,687 ♪ Now all the criminals In their coats and their ties... ♪ 2130 02:07:34,521 --> 02:07:37,858 "Now all the criminals in their coats and ties 2131 02:07:37,941 --> 02:07:41,737 are free to drink martinis and watch the... and watch the sun rise." 2132 02:07:42,154 --> 02:07:45,282 "While Rubin sits like Buddha in a ten-foot cell, 2133 02:07:45,491 --> 02:07:47,534 an innocent man in a living hell." 2134 02:07:47,743 --> 02:07:49,745 I thought that was great. 2135 02:07:50,204 --> 02:07:53,374 Because the ballad of the Hurricane... 2136 02:07:54,208 --> 02:07:59,463 uh, sent an indelible message of justice gone awry, 2137 02:08:00,089 --> 02:08:01,173 you know what I mean? 2138 02:08:01,298 --> 02:08:02,298 So... So... 2139 02:08:02,508 --> 02:08:07,388 Dylan doing that spread the word far and wide. 2140 02:08:10,265 --> 02:08:12,476 ♪ That's the story of the Hurricane ♪ 2141 02:08:13,394 --> 02:08:15,938 ♪ But it won't be over Till they clear his name ♪ 2142 02:08:16,605 --> 02:08:18,774 ♪ And give him back the time he's done ♪ 2143 02:08:19,692 --> 02:08:23,237 ♪ Put in a prison cell But one time he coulda been ♪ 2144 02:08:23,529 --> 02:08:26,532 ♪ The champion of the world ♪ 2145 02:08:35,749 --> 02:08:37,376 Let me introduce you to everybody. 2146 02:08:38,752 --> 02:08:41,352 Many of the people who came to help me were white people, 2147 02:08:41,797 --> 02:08:44,216 which must have surprised the authorities, 2148 02:08:44,299 --> 02:08:47,428 because the authorities claimed that I committed this crime 2149 02:08:47,511 --> 02:08:49,346 because of my hatred for white people. 2150 02:08:49,513 --> 02:08:51,473 But here's all these white folks 2151 02:08:52,099 --> 02:08:54,435 coming to help this poor black man 2152 02:08:54,643 --> 02:08:56,895 who's in prison for something that he didn't do, 2153 02:08:56,979 --> 02:08:59,606 something that he didn't do. I mean, it... it was great. 2154 02:08:59,982 --> 02:09:02,862 What happens if the courts say no, where do you go from there? 2155 02:09:02,943 --> 02:09:05,320 Are you gonna go back into the courts once again? 2156 02:09:05,404 --> 02:09:07,990 If the courts say no, we just keep on fighting. 2157 02:09:08,240 --> 02:09:10,868 There's no such... There's no such thing as no. 2158 02:09:11,326 --> 02:09:12,578 There's just yes, 2159 02:09:12,661 --> 02:09:15,289 and the road is straight ahead, and we keep on going. 2160 02:09:16,415 --> 02:09:18,083 Bob always been searching. 2161 02:09:18,167 --> 02:09:22,171 Every time I see Bob now, and which we don't see each other frequently, 2162 02:09:22,504 --> 02:09:26,759 but every time I see him, I ask Bob, "Have you found it yet, Bob?" 2163 02:09:27,968 --> 02:09:29,636 And Bob says, "Yeah, I found it." 2164 02:09:30,095 --> 02:09:33,849 But I know he hasn't, 'cause he keeps searching. 2165 02:09:35,142 --> 02:09:38,187 He'd always say, "Hey, what are you searching for today?" 2166 02:09:38,270 --> 02:09:39,354 I'd say, "What?" 2167 02:09:39,438 --> 02:09:42,191 He'd say, "I know you're a searcher. What are you searching for?" 2168 02:09:42,566 --> 02:09:46,528 I'd say, uh, "Well, Hurricane, I'm searching for the Holy Grail." 2169 02:09:46,904 --> 02:09:47,905 And he'd say, "What?" 2170 02:09:48,155 --> 02:09:52,326 I said, "I'm gonna search until I find it, like Sir Galahad." 2171 02:09:54,453 --> 02:09:55,788 That's what I'm looking for. 2172 02:09:58,749 --> 02:10:02,628 - Five minutes. Five minutes. - Do you think he's a genius? 2173 02:10:03,462 --> 02:10:05,005 Is Bob Dylan a genius? 2174 02:10:06,423 --> 02:10:08,884 I don't know. That's a strange word. 2175 02:10:10,052 --> 02:10:11,052 Maybe. 2176 02:10:11,220 --> 02:10:15,140 I think the most brilliant thing he did was putting a group of highly motivated 2177 02:10:15,349 --> 02:10:18,393 and ambitious people on a train with no supervision, 2178 02:10:18,602 --> 02:10:21,939 and then let them become the most extreme versions of themselves. 2179 02:10:22,439 --> 02:10:24,599 Is that how you'd describe what happened? 2180 02:10:24,650 --> 02:10:26,401 I know that's what happened to me. 2181 02:10:26,527 --> 02:10:28,904 Let's go. Let's go. 2182 02:10:30,364 --> 02:10:31,364 Let's go. 2183 02:10:31,865 --> 02:10:34,010 So, why did you come here to speak to me? 2184 02:10:34,034 --> 02:10:38,497 Well, to try and, you know, stake my claim 2185 02:10:38,580 --> 02:10:42,334 and say, "Here I am, this is me. I'm the one who made this. 2186 02:10:42,417 --> 02:10:43,544 You're using it. 2187 02:10:43,961 --> 02:10:47,631 This wouldn't exist without me. I'm the filmmaker here." 2188 02:10:49,132 --> 02:10:52,135 December 4th, 1975, Montreal, Canada, 2189 02:10:52,219 --> 02:10:54,847 last scheduled concert for the Rolling Thunder Revue. 2190 02:10:55,806 --> 02:11:00,644 We phantoms are assembled at the end of the Rolling Thunder tour. 2191 02:11:00,769 --> 02:11:02,479 Roger? Let's go. Luther? 2192 02:11:02,563 --> 02:11:05,399 We started out trying to recover America. 2193 02:11:05,482 --> 02:11:08,318 We discovered a certain amount of truth about ourselves. 2194 02:11:08,777 --> 02:11:11,363 Old friends who thought their loves had been lost 2195 02:11:11,613 --> 02:11:15,325 were able to get together and, uh, face each other eye to eye 2196 02:11:15,617 --> 02:11:17,995 and sing over an electrical microphone 2197 02:11:18,078 --> 02:11:22,332 to please the desires of myriad young yearners, 2198 02:11:22,416 --> 02:11:25,544 who had been seeking some kind of union and community 2199 02:11:25,627 --> 02:11:27,629 and saw therein an image of that community. 2200 02:11:28,755 --> 02:11:30,340 Was the tour a success? 2201 02:11:30,757 --> 02:11:33,427 The tour was a disaster, it was a catastrophe. 2202 02:11:33,510 --> 02:11:34,761 - Why? - Well, 2203 02:11:34,845 --> 02:11:37,764 I told 'em we should be playing to 20,000-seaters, 2204 02:11:37,848 --> 02:11:40,559 but instead, you know, they wanted to play all these small joints. 2205 02:11:40,642 --> 02:11:43,645 Now you've got 16 to 18 people onstage, 2206 02:11:43,729 --> 02:11:46,356 and you got 15 people on the back line. 2207 02:11:47,024 --> 02:11:50,485 Buses and hotel rooms and catering, and you're only playing to houses 2208 02:11:50,569 --> 02:11:53,363 with 3,000 seats, so you're gonna hemorrhage money. 2209 02:11:53,447 --> 02:11:55,532 We were in the red before we even got on the road. 2210 02:11:55,616 --> 02:11:57,868 No, it wasn't a success. 2211 02:11:58,619 --> 02:12:00,954 Not if you measure success in terms of profit. 2212 02:12:02,247 --> 02:12:03,916 But it was a sense of adventure. 2213 02:12:05,208 --> 02:12:09,379 So, in many ways, yes, it was very successful. 2214 02:12:10,797 --> 02:12:11,840 Let's go. 2215 02:12:12,758 --> 02:12:14,009 Time to go. 2216 02:12:14,760 --> 02:12:17,721 - Come on. We're on. - Yeah, Rob, you look pretty. 2217 02:12:22,392 --> 02:12:24,561 What remains of that tour to this day? 2218 02:12:24,645 --> 02:12:25,645 Nothing. 2219 02:12:26,855 --> 02:12:28,106 Not one single thing. 2220 02:12:28,690 --> 02:12:29,690 Ashes. 2221 02:12:33,236 --> 02:12:37,240 ♪ Mama, wipe the blood off of my face ♪ 2222 02:12:40,911 --> 02:12:44,164 ♪ I can't see through it anymore ♪ 2223 02:12:47,584 --> 02:12:51,922 ♪ I need someone to talk to And a new hiding place ♪ 2224 02:12:55,676 --> 02:12:59,221 ♪ I feel like I'm knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2225 02:13:02,975 --> 02:13:06,561 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2226 02:13:10,315 --> 02:13:13,944 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2227 02:13:17,656 --> 02:13:21,952 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2228 02:13:24,955 --> 02:13:29,209 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2229 02:13:32,421 --> 02:13:35,674 ♪ Mama, I can hear that thunder roll ♪ 2230 02:13:39,803 --> 02:13:43,473 ♪ Echoing down from God's distant shore ♪ 2231 02:13:46,852 --> 02:13:50,856 ♪ I can hear Him calling out for my soul ♪ 2232 02:13:54,317 --> 02:13:57,863 ♪ l feel I'm knocking on heaven's door ♪ 2233 02:14:01,867 --> 02:14:05,620 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2234 02:14:09,249 --> 02:14:13,503 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2235 02:14:16,673 --> 02:14:21,053 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2236 02:14:23,930 --> 02:14:28,643 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2237 02:14:51,374 --> 02:14:55,212 You who saw it all, or saw flashes and fragments, 2238 02:14:55,629 --> 02:14:58,173 take from us some example, 2239 02:14:58,256 --> 02:15:00,467 try and get yourselves together, 2240 02:15:00,550 --> 02:15:03,345 clean up your act, find your community, 2241 02:15:03,637 --> 02:15:07,182 pick up on some kind of redemption of your own consciousness, 2242 02:15:07,432 --> 02:15:10,018 become more mindful of your own friends, 2243 02:15:10,102 --> 02:15:11,186 your own work, 2244 02:15:11,269 --> 02:15:13,063 your own proper meditation, 2245 02:15:13,146 --> 02:15:14,397 your own proper art, 2246 02:15:14,481 --> 02:15:15,482 your own beauty. 2247 02:15:15,607 --> 02:15:18,819 Go out and make it for your own eternity. 2248 02:15:23,115 --> 02:15:27,786 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2249 02:15:30,580 --> 02:15:35,001 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2250 02:15:37,754 --> 02:15:42,717 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2251 02:15:45,178 --> 02:15:50,142 ♪ Knock, knock, knockin' On heaven's door ♪ 2252 02:15:54,521 --> 02:15:59,317 ♪ The water is wide ♪ 2253 02:15:59,568 --> 02:16:02,529 ♪ And I can't cross over ♪ 2254 02:16:05,949 --> 02:16:09,911 ♪ I've neither wings ♪ 2255 02:16:11,246 --> 02:16:16,001 ♪ That I could fly ♪ 2256 02:16:16,376 --> 02:16:21,131 ♪ Build me a boat ♪ 2257 02:16:21,882 --> 02:16:26,136 ♪ That can carry two ♪ 2258 02:16:27,387 --> 02:16:30,891 ♪ And both shall row ♪ 2259 02:16:33,059 --> 02:16:37,731 ♪ My love and I ♪ 2260 02:16:46,364 --> 02:16:50,785 ♪ There is a ship ♪ 2261 02:16:51,536 --> 02:16:54,372 ♪ And it sails on the sea ♪ 2262 02:16:57,709 --> 02:17:01,713 ♪ Loaded deep ♪ 2263 02:17:02,464 --> 02:17:07,052 ♪ As deep can be ♪ 2264 02:17:07,802 --> 02:17:12,515 ♪ But not as deep ♪ 2265 02:17:13,058 --> 02:17:17,854 ♪ As the love I'm in ♪ 2266 02:17:18,563 --> 02:17:21,816 ♪ And both shall row ♪ 2267 02:17:23,777 --> 02:17:29,741 ♪ My love and I ♪ 2268 02:17:55,517 --> 02:17:57,519 Bob! 2269 02:18:00,146 --> 02:18:01,898 Encore! 2270 02:18:08,113 --> 02:18:10,407 ♪ Hot chili peppers In the blistering sun ♪ 2271 02:18:13,326 --> 02:18:16,121 ♪ Dust on my face and my cape ♪ 2272 02:18:18,790 --> 02:18:21,710 ♪ Me and Magdalena on the run ♪ 2273 02:18:24,212 --> 02:18:27,924 ♪ I think this time we shall escape ♪ 2274 02:18:29,384 --> 02:18:32,429 ♪ Sold my guitar to the baker's son ♪ 2275 02:18:34,889 --> 02:18:38,685 ♪ For a few crumbs and a place to hide ♪ 2276 02:18:40,312 --> 02:18:43,189 ♪ But I can get another one ♪ 2277 02:18:45,191 --> 02:18:49,279 ♪ And I'll play for Magdalena as we ride ♪ 2278 02:18:50,322 --> 02:18:53,033 ♪ No llores, mi querida ♪ 2279 02:18:53,825 --> 02:18:55,535 ♪ Dios nos vigila ♪ 2280 02:18:56,036 --> 02:18:59,873 ♪ Soon the horse will take us to Durango ♪ 2281 02:19:00,498 --> 02:19:03,251 ♪ Agárrame, mi vida ♪ 2282 02:19:03,460 --> 02:19:05,545 ♪ Soon the desert will be gone ♪ 2283 02:19:06,171 --> 02:19:09,924 ♪ Soon you will be dancing the fandango ♪ 2284 02:19:21,144 --> 02:19:24,189 ♪ Past the Aztec ruins And the ghosts of our people ♪ 2285 02:19:26,066 --> 02:19:29,444 ♪ Hoofbeats like castanets on stone ♪ 2286 02:19:30,612 --> 02:19:33,823 ♪ At night, I dream of bells In the village steeple ♪ 2287 02:19:35,367 --> 02:19:39,287 ♪ Then I see the bloody face of Ramon ♪ 2288 02:19:40,372 --> 02:19:43,666 ♪ Was it me that shot him down In the cantina? ♪ 2289 02:19:45,960 --> 02:19:49,130 ♪ Was it my hand that held the gun? ♪ 2290 02:19:50,799 --> 02:19:53,635 ♪ Come let us fly, my Magdalena ♪ 2291 02:19:55,428 --> 02:19:58,640 ♪ The dogs are barking And what's done is done ♪ 2292 02:19:59,849 --> 02:20:02,727 ♪ No llores, mi querida ♪ 2293 02:20:03,269 --> 02:20:05,021 ♪ Dios nos vigila ♪ 2294 02:20:05,647 --> 02:20:09,025 ♪ Soon the horse will take us to Durango ♪ 2295 02:20:09,818 --> 02:20:12,362 ♪ Agárrame, mi vida ♪ 2296 02:20:12,445 --> 02:20:14,656 ♪ Soon the desert will be gone ♪ 2297 02:20:15,240 --> 02:20:18,743 ♪ Soon you will be dancing the fandango ♪ 2298 02:20:29,212 --> 02:20:32,465 ♪ At the corrida, we'll sit in the shade ♪ 2299 02:20:34,008 --> 02:20:37,345 ♪ And watch the young torero stand alone ♪ 2300 02:20:39,013 --> 02:20:42,308 ♪ Drank tequila Where our grandfathers stayed ♪ 2301 02:20:43,393 --> 02:20:46,896 ♪ When they rode with Villa into Torreón ♪ 2302 02:20:48,356 --> 02:20:51,901 ♪ And the padre will recite The prayers of old ♪ 2303 02:20:53,194 --> 02:20:56,948 ♪ In the little church this side of town ♪ 2304 02:20:57,991 --> 02:21:01,453 ♪ I'll wear new boots And an earring of gold ♪ 2305 02:21:02,662 --> 02:21:06,458 ♪ You'll shine with diamonds In your wedding gown ♪ 2306 02:21:08,126 --> 02:21:10,962 ♪ Was that the thunder that I heard? ♪ 2307 02:21:12,797 --> 02:21:15,842 ♪ My head is vibrating I feel a sharp pain ♪ 2308 02:21:17,385 --> 02:21:20,138 ♪ Come sit by me, don't say a word ♪ 2309 02:21:22,182 --> 02:21:25,393 ♪ Oh, can it be that I am slain? ♪ 2310 02:21:26,895 --> 02:21:29,397 ♪ Quick, Magdalena, take my gun ♪ 2311 02:21:31,608 --> 02:21:34,819 ♪ Look up in the hills That flash of light ♪ 2312 02:21:36,529 --> 02:21:39,157 ♪ Aim well, my little one ♪ 2313 02:21:41,117 --> 02:21:44,621 ♪ We may not make it through the night ♪