1 00:00:10,677 --> 00:00:14,681 [thumping] 2 00:00:15,223 --> 00:00:18,143 [thumping intensifies] 3 00:00:19,185 --> 00:00:24,774 [thumping slows down] 4 00:00:26,234 --> 00:00:28,987 [phone rings] 5 00:00:29,529 --> 00:00:31,197 Hello, it's Yance. 6 00:00:31,281 --> 00:00:34,034 Hello, it's Demitri Jones returning your phone call. 7 00:00:34,117 --> 00:00:36,369 -Hi, Miss Jones. How are you? -OK. 8 00:00:36,453 --> 00:00:41,124 I am not sure if you remember my name, or my brother's name. 9 00:00:41,207 --> 00:00:42,876 He was a homicide victim, 10 00:00:42,959 --> 00:00:47,088 back in 1992, when you were with the Suffolk County District Attorney's Office. 11 00:00:47,172 --> 00:00:49,132 -OK. -His name was William Ford. 12 00:00:49,215 --> 00:00:52,135 You worked on the case with Stephen O'Brien 13 00:00:52,218 --> 00:00:54,262 and Detective James Hughes. 14 00:00:54,345 --> 00:00:56,014 OK, what do you want to know? 15 00:00:56,556 --> 00:00:58,516 I was calling to see if you were willing 16 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,187 to, within, you know, your legal restrictions, 17 00:01:02,270 --> 00:01:05,023 answer some of the questions that have been, 18 00:01:05,565 --> 00:01:08,443 sort of, plaguing me for the last 22 years. 19 00:01:09,402 --> 00:01:11,821 No. I'm not going to do that. 20 00:01:12,781 --> 00:01:14,866 OK. Do you mind if I ask you why? 21 00:01:14,949 --> 00:01:17,233 Because as a prosecutor, everything that 22 00:01:17,238 --> 00:01:19,621 happens in the Grand Jury is confidential. 23 00:01:19,704 --> 00:01:23,166 -So I'm not going to discuss it. -Sure. Right. No. 24 00:01:23,249 --> 00:01:25,376 I'm asking about the investigation. 25 00:01:25,460 --> 00:01:27,837 Yeah, no, I'm not willing to discuss any 26 00:01:27,842 --> 00:01:30,173 of my prior cases on film with anybody. 27 00:01:30,715 --> 00:01:33,134 -May I interview you by phone? -No. 28 00:01:34,010 --> 00:01:36,429 -OK, and... -I don't want to discuss the case. 29 00:01:36,513 --> 00:01:38,515 And you don't want to make any comment? 30 00:01:38,598 --> 00:01:40,558 I do not want to make any comment. 31 00:01:40,642 --> 00:01:42,977 -OK, Miss Jones. Thank you. -Bye. 32 00:01:47,106 --> 00:01:48,691 My son... 33 00:01:51,820 --> 00:01:54,114 lying dead in a coffin, 34 00:01:55,907 --> 00:02:00,829 with the most peaceful look on his face. 35 00:02:04,332 --> 00:02:07,335 You, your sister... 36 00:02:12,674 --> 00:02:14,884 And I remember thinking... 37 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:22,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 38 00:02:25,770 --> 00:02:28,690 "How are we gonna make it without him? 39 00:02:32,652 --> 00:02:36,698 How will our life go on, without him?" 40 00:02:38,533 --> 00:02:40,326 Even then, 41 00:02:43,454 --> 00:02:45,165 I was saying, 42 00:02:45,832 --> 00:02:49,210 "Wait until we get to court! 43 00:02:51,296 --> 00:02:57,844 I said, "This is a young man who has never been in trouble in his entire life. 44 00:02:59,053 --> 00:03:02,307 Wait until we get to court." 45 00:03:02,849 --> 00:03:05,768 [Yance] So you were saying this to yourself on the day of the funeral? 46 00:03:06,603 --> 00:03:08,646 "Wait until we get to court. 47 00:03:08,730 --> 00:03:11,774 This death is not going to be in vain." 48 00:03:12,567 --> 00:03:16,195 I'm not surprised that the case didn't go to trial. 49 00:03:17,739 --> 00:03:19,866 I just want to know all the reasons why. 50 00:03:20,867 --> 00:03:21,701 [thumps] 51 00:03:21,784 --> 00:03:23,661 I'm not angry. 52 00:03:29,626 --> 00:03:34,339 I'm also not willing to accept 53 00:03:36,132 --> 00:03:40,178 that someone else gets to say 54 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,389 who William was. 55 00:03:44,807 --> 00:03:49,270 And if you're uncomfortable with me asking these questions, 56 00:03:50,188 --> 00:03:52,065 you should probably get up and go. 57 00:04:01,532 --> 00:04:05,328 [crickets chirping] 58 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,928 All of the years that we were growing up, 59 00:04:23,471 --> 00:04:28,601 if we went through a section, or passed a section 60 00:04:28,685 --> 00:04:31,145 that was predominantly white, 61 00:04:31,771 --> 00:04:32,814 you ran. 62 00:04:34,190 --> 00:04:38,903 That's when I started to realize the economic difference. 63 00:04:38,987 --> 00:04:44,200 OK, so these people weren't wealthy, 64 00:04:45,410 --> 00:04:47,662 but their wealth was that they were white. 65 00:04:49,914 --> 00:04:53,543 My father's name was George Alexander Dunmore. 66 00:04:54,252 --> 00:04:56,254 I was two when my father died. 67 00:04:57,130 --> 00:05:00,091 He had a severe asthma attack. 68 00:05:00,633 --> 00:05:04,220 He was taken to the hospital. 69 00:05:05,054 --> 00:05:08,558 There was a White waiting room, 70 00:05:08,641 --> 00:05:11,436 and a Colored waiting room, 71 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:15,398 and even though he was critically... 72 00:05:16,024 --> 00:05:19,027 in respiratory difficulty, 73 00:05:20,486 --> 00:05:22,113 he was made to wait. 74 00:05:22,989 --> 00:05:26,451 And during that period of time, he died. 75 00:05:29,662 --> 00:05:32,707 [Yance] Tell me the story of how you met Dad. When did you meet Dad? 76 00:05:32,790 --> 00:05:35,126 [Barbara] Well, let's not say, "When did I meet him?" 77 00:05:35,209 --> 00:05:38,129 When did I become aware of him? 78 00:05:38,212 --> 00:05:39,881 [Yance] What's the difference? 79 00:05:40,423 --> 00:05:44,927 Because I saw him when I was in the sixth grade, 80 00:05:45,011 --> 00:05:46,679 and he was in the seventh grade. 81 00:05:48,389 --> 00:05:51,642 I did not speak with him 82 00:05:52,185 --> 00:05:57,857 until October of 1958. 83 00:05:58,524 --> 00:06:00,026 I was a sophomore, 84 00:06:00,860 --> 00:06:02,528 and he was a junior. 85 00:06:04,155 --> 00:06:07,825 And... where we lived, 86 00:06:07,909 --> 00:06:10,286 in Charleston, South Carolina, 87 00:06:10,369 --> 00:06:13,039 we always had a Coronation Ball 88 00:06:13,581 --> 00:06:15,458 at County Hall. 89 00:06:17,168 --> 00:06:19,170 Your father came over. 90 00:06:19,253 --> 00:06:20,880 He asked me for a dance, 91 00:06:20,963 --> 00:06:24,550 and he asked me that night if I would be his girl. 92 00:06:26,052 --> 00:06:29,305 I tried to be cool, 93 00:06:29,388 --> 00:06:31,808 and let a few seconds pass 94 00:06:31,891 --> 00:06:34,310 before I said, "Yes!" 95 00:06:34,852 --> 00:06:37,355 I didn't say yes, I said, 96 00:06:37,897 --> 00:06:39,857 "Yeah, I guess so." 97 00:06:39,941 --> 00:06:43,736 You know? But I was jumping for joy inside. 98 00:06:43,820 --> 00:06:46,531 Because I had loved this man from afar 99 00:06:46,614 --> 00:06:50,118 since I was in sixth grade. 100 00:06:53,204 --> 00:06:56,249 [gentle music] 101 00:06:59,210 --> 00:07:03,631 [Barbara] We got married July 10th, 1965. 102 00:07:05,007 --> 00:07:06,217 Now, 103 00:07:06,884 --> 00:07:10,930 I think that my husband... 104 00:07:11,013 --> 00:07:14,892 was a gorgeous man, OK? 105 00:07:15,351 --> 00:07:17,061 He was handsome. 106 00:07:26,154 --> 00:07:31,784 [laidback jazz] 107 00:07:37,206 --> 00:07:39,000 [Barbara] We moved to New York. 108 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:46,466 I absolutely loved it. 109 00:07:49,260 --> 00:07:52,763 We found an apartment in Brooklyn. 110 00:07:57,351 --> 00:08:00,313 I enjoyed it immensely. 111 00:08:04,525 --> 00:08:07,612 It was the kind of apartment building 112 00:08:07,695 --> 00:08:12,158 that had a lot of old Jewish ladies who lived there. 113 00:08:12,658 --> 00:08:15,828 And they would line up in front of the window 114 00:08:16,329 --> 00:08:18,831 in the afternoon, and they'd sit there. 115 00:08:20,666 --> 00:08:23,794 They were wonderful. 116 00:08:25,922 --> 00:08:28,174 I remember coming home one day, 117 00:08:28,257 --> 00:08:30,176 and one of them said, 118 00:08:30,259 --> 00:08:33,596 "It looks as if you're going to have a baby!" 119 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,475 I said, "Oh, my goodness, I thought I was hiding it." 120 00:08:38,726 --> 00:08:41,562 I was elated, you know. 121 00:08:41,646 --> 00:08:44,607 And when I sang he would get quiet, 122 00:08:45,149 --> 00:08:48,861 and when I stopped, he would move a little. 123 00:08:48,945 --> 00:08:51,572 And if I didn't start right back up, 124 00:08:51,656 --> 00:08:55,618 his little feet and hands would be moving. 125 00:08:59,622 --> 00:09:02,917 William was born in 1967. 126 00:09:06,379 --> 00:09:10,424 Your father would say, "That boy's gonna be so spoiled." 127 00:09:10,841 --> 00:09:13,678 He was. He was. 128 00:09:14,804 --> 00:09:18,140 [gentle music] 129 00:09:34,865 --> 00:09:37,702 [Barbara] I made an "A" on the national teachers exam. 130 00:09:38,661 --> 00:09:41,414 I loved teaching. 131 00:09:41,956 --> 00:09:43,082 I loved it. 132 00:09:43,165 --> 00:09:47,920 Because I knew what being educated 133 00:09:48,462 --> 00:09:52,592 had done for my sisters and me. 134 00:09:54,594 --> 00:09:58,472 And I also knew the struggle. 135 00:09:58,556 --> 00:10:02,018 My mom stripped tobacco for a living, 136 00:10:02,643 --> 00:10:03,811 OK? 137 00:10:03,894 --> 00:10:07,732 She left school in the fourth grade, 138 00:10:08,649 --> 00:10:10,276 and went to work. 139 00:10:10,359 --> 00:10:12,778 I helped her learn how to read. 140 00:10:13,571 --> 00:10:15,448 I think she had no shame with me, 141 00:10:16,365 --> 00:10:18,284 because I was the youngest. 142 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,995 And I was proud 143 00:10:21,537 --> 00:10:25,499 that I could help her read and write. 144 00:10:29,462 --> 00:10:31,523 [Yance] My mother started out her career 145 00:10:31,528 --> 00:10:33,549 in New York City as an English teacher, 146 00:10:33,633 --> 00:10:36,044 and worked her way up to become Principal 147 00:10:36,049 --> 00:10:37,970 of Thomas Jefferson High School 148 00:10:38,054 --> 00:10:39,722 in East New York. 149 00:10:39,805 --> 00:10:41,140 After 13 years there, 150 00:10:41,724 --> 00:10:46,187 she opened a school for girls and women at Rikers, 151 00:10:46,270 --> 00:10:48,564 the jail that sits in... 152 00:10:49,190 --> 00:10:52,985 essentially at the end of the runway at LaGuardia Airport. 153 00:10:56,405 --> 00:10:58,824 [ambient music] 154 00:10:58,908 --> 00:11:02,870 [Yance] She named it Rosewood, and she developed programs 155 00:11:02,953 --> 00:11:06,707 that helped women leave prison with skills, 156 00:11:06,791 --> 00:11:10,711 so that they would have options when they got out of prison. 157 00:11:13,089 --> 00:11:17,593 And my father just believed 158 00:11:17,676 --> 00:11:20,179 in my mother's ability to do anything. 159 00:11:22,515 --> 00:11:26,102 [Barbara] Your father worked at Andrew Geller's. 160 00:11:27,019 --> 00:11:28,854 Fabulous shoes. 161 00:11:29,397 --> 00:11:34,068 Fantastic, beautiful shoes, and I loved them. 162 00:11:38,531 --> 00:11:40,699 He wanted to be a draftsman. 163 00:11:44,620 --> 00:11:48,541 He took the test for the Transit Authority 164 00:11:48,624 --> 00:11:50,167 to become a motorman... 165 00:11:52,086 --> 00:11:54,296 but he could still go to school. 166 00:11:57,925 --> 00:11:59,343 Then you were born. 167 00:12:01,804 --> 00:12:03,931 When Lauren was born, 168 00:12:04,807 --> 00:12:06,475 he was overjoyed. 169 00:12:07,017 --> 00:12:10,479 He was overjoyed. 170 00:12:12,064 --> 00:12:15,568 But as you guys grew, you were so rambunctious. 171 00:12:18,821 --> 00:12:22,241 We were looking for an apartment. 172 00:12:22,575 --> 00:12:25,578 We looked in Brooklyn. 173 00:12:26,579 --> 00:12:31,167 Nothing that we found did your father like. 174 00:12:32,126 --> 00:12:35,838 He did not like anything that we found. 175 00:12:35,921 --> 00:12:41,886 I must not have spoken to him for a month, OK? 176 00:12:41,969 --> 00:12:45,681 I would put pillows in the middle of the bed, 177 00:12:46,724 --> 00:12:48,601 because it meant that 178 00:12:49,226 --> 00:12:51,270 we had to keep looking, 179 00:12:51,353 --> 00:12:55,691 and at the time, I did not know how dead set he was 180 00:12:55,774 --> 00:12:57,693 on moving to Long Island. 181 00:13:01,238 --> 00:13:03,115 [Yance] My father drove the J Train, 182 00:13:04,033 --> 00:13:06,381 which ran on a loop through some of the 183 00:13:06,386 --> 00:13:08,537 toughest neighborhoods in the city. 184 00:13:11,373 --> 00:13:13,402 From his motorman's cabin, he saw a 185 00:13:13,407 --> 00:13:15,628 very different New York than my mother. 186 00:13:17,129 --> 00:13:20,341 He saw poverty, and crime, 187 00:13:21,300 --> 00:13:22,760 and violence, 188 00:13:24,136 --> 00:13:25,930 and a rapidly declining city. 189 00:13:28,682 --> 00:13:30,935 My father was not a fearful man. 190 00:13:31,810 --> 00:13:33,354 He was a realist. 191 00:13:36,190 --> 00:13:39,151 He had already gotten out of the Jim Crow South in one piece, 192 00:13:39,235 --> 00:13:42,738 and he didn't want to put his family or our future at risk. 193 00:13:43,572 --> 00:13:46,700 [Barbara] We came out one Saturday, 194 00:13:47,326 --> 00:13:49,537 and met Sam McCollough. 195 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:52,873 Nice, you know. He lived in the community. 196 00:13:53,999 --> 00:13:57,545 He was the agent for the company 197 00:13:57,628 --> 00:14:00,548 that bought this land and built the houses. 198 00:14:01,131 --> 00:14:06,095 I was told later that they wanted to attract... 199 00:14:07,137 --> 00:14:12,059 people who were employed by the city, you know, 200 00:14:12,601 --> 00:14:16,272 whom they thought could afford the homes. 201 00:14:17,273 --> 00:14:21,443 A lot of... African Americans 202 00:14:21,527 --> 00:14:23,571 were moving out to Long Island. 203 00:14:24,196 --> 00:14:29,326 Civil servants, like bus drivers, police officers, correction officers... 204 00:14:31,453 --> 00:14:36,125 and they would put them in pockets, or neighborhoods in the different towns. 205 00:14:36,208 --> 00:14:37,835 You could go to certain towns... 206 00:14:37,918 --> 00:14:42,172 go to Deer Park and find the same "new D," Amityville, find the same "new D," 207 00:14:42,256 --> 00:14:46,927 but all the rest of Long Island was, you know, predominantly white. 208 00:14:47,011 --> 00:14:50,472 So in that one neighborhood, 209 00:14:51,015 --> 00:14:52,308 it was a haven. 210 00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:55,060 When you would go out, you know... 211 00:14:56,854 --> 00:14:59,565 you might be running back for your life, you know? 212 00:15:01,066 --> 00:15:03,611 Growing up in a new development, a "new D"... 213 00:15:04,570 --> 00:15:06,155 was beautiful. 214 00:15:06,822 --> 00:15:08,365 It was wonderful. 215 00:15:08,991 --> 00:15:10,200 It was safe. 216 00:15:14,830 --> 00:15:19,335 [Barbara] I really, really did not like it. 217 00:15:20,461 --> 00:15:22,004 Everybody was black. 218 00:15:22,087 --> 00:15:23,764 -[Yance] You think that was an accident? 219 00:15:23,769 --> 00:15:24,924 -[Barbara] Of course not. 220 00:15:25,591 --> 00:15:26,467 But... 221 00:15:29,094 --> 00:15:30,638 I guess... 222 00:15:33,057 --> 00:15:35,476 not having grown up... 223 00:15:36,268 --> 00:15:42,149 in a home that belonged to us as a family, 224 00:15:43,484 --> 00:15:45,903 I wanted to ensure 225 00:15:45,986 --> 00:15:50,366 that you guys had it differently. 226 00:15:53,035 --> 00:15:55,287 This has been our home: 227 00:15:55,371 --> 00:15:59,416 147 Cone Avenue, Central Islip. 228 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:02,753 [ice cream van playing tinkling music] 229 00:16:07,383 --> 00:16:10,260 [music continues] 230 00:16:15,933 --> 00:16:19,937 When they moved to the neighborhood where I grew up in Central Islip, 231 00:16:20,688 --> 00:16:23,941 it was essentially moving back into a segregated community. 232 00:16:25,818 --> 00:16:29,488 Segregation draws a line around not just your neighborhood, 233 00:16:29,571 --> 00:16:30,906 but your life. 234 00:16:33,242 --> 00:16:37,454 "Sorry, you can't have more. Sorry, you can't earn more. 235 00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:42,292 You can't shop here. You can't live here. You can't move here. 236 00:16:42,376 --> 00:16:43,460 This is it for you." 237 00:16:46,964 --> 00:16:50,217 [Yance] While the houses were affordably priced, it was deceptive. 238 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:53,971 The taxes were high and the public schools were bad. 239 00:16:55,597 --> 00:16:58,350 And now, on top of a mortgage and car payments, 240 00:16:58,892 --> 00:17:01,729 they had to pay a combined 36 years of tuition 241 00:17:01,812 --> 00:17:04,481 to put three kids through Catholic school. 242 00:17:11,405 --> 00:17:15,492 [Barbara] The bottom line was, your father had to leave college. 243 00:17:15,576 --> 00:17:17,327 It got too much for him. 244 00:17:17,870 --> 00:17:20,539 He started working the night shift. 245 00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:26,462 Sometimes I'd be coming down the Southern State, coming home, 246 00:17:26,545 --> 00:17:28,422 and he'd be going in. 247 00:17:28,505 --> 00:17:32,134 I would blow at him, he'd blow at me and we would wave, you know. 248 00:17:32,217 --> 00:17:37,097 And for many, many, many years, that's the way it was. 249 00:17:37,639 --> 00:17:40,309 I think it was good for you guys, 250 00:17:40,851 --> 00:17:45,022 but not good for a marriage to thrive. 251 00:17:47,441 --> 00:17:49,151 [Ray Charles: "Let the Good Times Roll"] 252 00:17:49,234 --> 00:17:53,155 Hey, everybody Let's have some fun 253 00:17:53,238 --> 00:17:57,242 You only live but once And when you're dead, you're done 254 00:17:57,326 --> 00:17:59,787 So let the good times roll 255 00:18:01,497 --> 00:18:03,499 I said, let the good times roll 256 00:18:07,002 --> 00:18:09,171 I don't care if you're young or old 257 00:18:09,254 --> 00:18:12,257 You ought to get together Let the good times roll 258 00:18:17,971 --> 00:18:21,767 [Yance] I loved that my mother, especially, 259 00:18:22,434 --> 00:18:26,230 made it really clear that, no matter what, 260 00:18:27,272 --> 00:18:29,316 my brother, my sister and I, 261 00:18:29,399 --> 00:18:32,361 our principal job in life was to love each other. 262 00:18:33,779 --> 00:18:35,405 I'm grateful for that directive. 263 00:18:35,489 --> 00:18:37,991 It's one of the reasons why I miss my brother so much. 264 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,293 William was seven years older than I was, 265 00:18:48,377 --> 00:18:50,796 and that is fantastic. 266 00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:54,633 Being nine years old and having a 16-year-old brother 267 00:18:54,716 --> 00:18:57,136 who can get you into R-rated movies 268 00:18:57,219 --> 00:18:59,888 and buy you comic books, 269 00:18:59,972 --> 00:19:02,891 and be able to drive you around... 270 00:19:02,975 --> 00:19:06,395 He would look at me and say, "Kato, we're on a mission." 271 00:19:06,478 --> 00:19:08,355 No matter what we were doing. 272 00:19:08,438 --> 00:19:11,400 We could be going to the grocery store to pick up... 273 00:19:12,526 --> 00:19:15,529 wax paper, you know, and he was like, "We're on a mission." 274 00:19:15,612 --> 00:19:18,323 [male narrator] Another challenge for the Green Hornet, 275 00:19:18,407 --> 00:19:22,035 his aide, Kato, and their rolling arsenal, the Black Beauty. 276 00:19:22,786 --> 00:19:25,205 [Lauren] Kato was the Green Hornet's sidekick. 277 00:19:25,289 --> 00:19:26,915 Kato was played by Bruce Lee. 278 00:19:27,958 --> 00:19:31,461 We grew up watching old-school Batman and Robin, 279 00:19:31,545 --> 00:19:33,672 and The Green Hornet. 280 00:19:33,755 --> 00:19:36,216 Hornet gun. Let's roll, Kato. 281 00:19:36,925 --> 00:19:39,970 Being called Kato was like, an honor, you know, 282 00:19:40,053 --> 00:19:41,680 because Bruce Lee was awesome. 283 00:19:41,763 --> 00:19:46,185 We both loved martial arts, you know, and comic books and stuff like that. 284 00:19:46,268 --> 00:19:48,353 We'd, like, pass them around 285 00:19:48,437 --> 00:19:51,481 and say, "Look at this. Do you see the artwork on this one?" 286 00:19:51,565 --> 00:19:54,193 "Oh, did you see the plotline on this one? Oh, man! 287 00:19:54,276 --> 00:19:56,445 They're going to kill this guy off? No!" 288 00:19:56,528 --> 00:19:57,738 You know? 289 00:19:58,655 --> 00:20:00,574 It was just awesome. 290 00:20:03,619 --> 00:20:06,455 [Kevin] Football is how we met. 291 00:20:07,831 --> 00:20:11,877 His dad and my dad, and his self and myself, 292 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,921 were all on the same team. 293 00:20:14,004 --> 00:20:16,757 And that's how we began our friendship. 294 00:20:17,299 --> 00:20:20,594 Ford was a center, I was a defensive end, 295 00:20:21,136 --> 00:20:23,358 and we used to rely on each other for 296 00:20:23,363 --> 00:20:25,390 rides back and forth to practice. 297 00:20:25,474 --> 00:20:26,308 [Kevin laughs] 298 00:20:26,391 --> 00:20:30,103 From that time... until he passed away, 299 00:20:30,187 --> 00:20:32,981 I would pretty much say we were pretty much inseparable. 300 00:20:35,525 --> 00:20:36,526 Me and William. 301 00:20:38,528 --> 00:20:40,822 [Kevin] Ford was protective of those around him, 302 00:20:40,906 --> 00:20:42,699 especially his sisters. 303 00:20:43,992 --> 00:20:46,286 [Lauren] I was 15. 304 00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:50,207 He was the first person to tell me I looked pretty, you know? 305 00:20:50,290 --> 00:20:52,334 He's like, "Now look at yourself." 306 00:20:54,169 --> 00:20:56,588 And he's like, "You're pretty." 307 00:20:59,091 --> 00:21:02,761 And I'm like, "No, I'm not." And he's like, "Yes, yes, you are." 308 00:21:06,139 --> 00:21:08,016 That's just something I never forgot. 309 00:21:14,606 --> 00:21:18,485 [Yance] My parents wanted to raise remarkable kids. 310 00:21:19,278 --> 00:21:22,781 Our blackness, and what it meant to be black in America, 311 00:21:22,864 --> 00:21:25,075 and how to survive being black in America, 312 00:21:25,158 --> 00:21:28,578 and the resilience that needed to be black in America, 313 00:21:28,662 --> 00:21:30,330 as well as the pride, 314 00:21:30,414 --> 00:21:31,976 was something that our parents 315 00:21:31,981 --> 00:21:33,834 instilled in us extraordinarily well. 316 00:21:34,501 --> 00:21:38,380 But it didn't occur to them that there were other things 317 00:21:38,463 --> 00:21:40,465 that their kids might struggle with. 318 00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:46,388 William's room had been directly across the hall from my parents. 319 00:21:46,471 --> 00:21:49,182 He quickly... 320 00:21:52,102 --> 00:21:53,020 [sighs] 321 00:21:53,103 --> 00:21:55,230 OK, what I remember... 322 00:22:03,405 --> 00:22:07,617 There are five steps from the main level of the house 323 00:22:07,701 --> 00:22:09,328 down into the basement. 324 00:22:10,662 --> 00:22:13,749 By that summer, William had moved to the basement. 325 00:22:13,832 --> 00:22:15,876 I would sneak into William's room 326 00:22:15,959 --> 00:22:19,504 and I'd read his magazines, and... 327 00:22:20,547 --> 00:22:22,883 You know, I read a lot of Playboy... 328 00:22:24,217 --> 00:22:25,343 that summer! 329 00:22:26,136 --> 00:22:30,265 I read a lot of Forum magazine that summer. 330 00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:35,854 And... 331 00:22:36,938 --> 00:22:40,692 that was something that I... 332 00:22:41,943 --> 00:22:43,361 felt, really... 333 00:22:44,362 --> 00:22:45,739 both... 334 00:22:47,991 --> 00:22:50,994 excited by, and ashamed of. 335 00:22:54,748 --> 00:22:56,875 Because I knew I was queer, 336 00:22:56,958 --> 00:23:00,003 and there was no one to talk about it with. 337 00:23:00,087 --> 00:23:05,842 [all sing] Happy birthday, dear Yance! 338 00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:10,180 Happy birthday to you! 339 00:23:10,263 --> 00:23:12,682 [cheering, applause] 340 00:23:14,684 --> 00:23:19,856 [The Crests: "Sixteen Candles" playing] 341 00:23:22,651 --> 00:23:25,737 [Yance] I never asked... I never asked my parents questions. 342 00:23:28,281 --> 00:23:30,700 You know, we had health class in school, 343 00:23:30,784 --> 00:23:34,538 so I learned about sex and childbirth... 344 00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:37,207 from Catholic nuns. 345 00:23:38,917 --> 00:23:42,546 Instead of going to math class, I went to the library and found... 346 00:23:42,629 --> 00:23:44,464 you know, Rita Mae Brown books, 347 00:23:44,548 --> 00:23:47,592 and even though they were corny, I read those. 348 00:23:48,552 --> 00:23:51,513 That's how I learned that there were other gay people in the world. 349 00:23:55,725 --> 00:23:58,478 I never told William that I was queer, 350 00:24:00,438 --> 00:24:01,940 and I wish I had. 351 00:24:08,238 --> 00:24:12,450 That's right, the basement room was my brother's last room, 352 00:24:12,534 --> 00:24:14,369 and he was living at home, 353 00:24:15,829 --> 00:24:17,164 when he was killed. 354 00:24:22,836 --> 00:24:24,462 [Lauren] I think it was a weekend, 355 00:24:24,546 --> 00:24:28,425 because William and Lesline had taken me bowling. 356 00:24:29,467 --> 00:24:31,011 It was a fun night. 357 00:24:31,094 --> 00:24:33,597 I bowled a 96. 358 00:24:35,098 --> 00:24:36,683 On the way back, 359 00:24:37,475 --> 00:24:39,102 I was sitting behind William. 360 00:24:39,186 --> 00:24:40,854 Lesline was driving. 361 00:24:41,479 --> 00:24:45,734 We were going to take the shortcut onto Brightside, and as we were turning, 362 00:24:45,817 --> 00:24:50,113 I saw this tow truck that didn't have any lights on, 363 00:24:51,198 --> 00:24:54,618 and before I could say, "Look out," 364 00:24:55,327 --> 00:24:57,746 bam, we were in a car accident. 365 00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:03,376 [Lauren] William helped me out of the car. 366 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:05,045 He asked me if I was OK. 367 00:25:06,129 --> 00:25:07,631 I said yes, 368 00:25:07,714 --> 00:25:10,675 and then he walked me over to the tree stump, 369 00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:14,012 sat me down, said, "Stay here." 370 00:25:14,596 --> 00:25:17,641 The tow truck belonged to some kind of body shop, 371 00:25:18,308 --> 00:25:22,604 and they said that if they didn't file a police report, 372 00:25:22,687 --> 00:25:24,856 that they would fix Lesline's car. 373 00:25:25,774 --> 00:25:29,194 [Lauren] All I knew was that it was being fixed by the guys who hit it. 374 00:25:33,531 --> 00:25:35,700 [Kevin] Once I found out where the car was at, 375 00:25:35,784 --> 00:25:38,495 I said to Ford that, 376 00:25:38,578 --> 00:25:40,828 "I don't think the place is legit. I 377 00:25:40,833 --> 00:25:43,291 don't think it is what you think it is." 378 00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:46,962 That, "You got to be very careful." 379 00:25:47,045 --> 00:25:50,632 That they weren't the kind of people you wanted to play around with. 380 00:25:52,550 --> 00:25:54,886 [Barbara] I was on Rikers Island at the time, 381 00:25:55,428 --> 00:25:58,974 and Lesline got a job working for me. 382 00:25:59,516 --> 00:26:01,977 One day, we were driving home, 383 00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,271 and she asked me if I would stop by 384 00:26:04,354 --> 00:26:07,691 so she could see if her car was finished. 385 00:26:07,774 --> 00:26:11,152 But it wasn't finished. 386 00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:14,781 And that's when the drama started. 387 00:26:23,248 --> 00:26:25,292 [Kevin] Sitting downstairs on the sofa, 388 00:26:25,375 --> 00:26:28,211 and the phone rang, and it was Ford, and he says, 389 00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:30,547 "Hey, what's going on? I need a favor." 390 00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:35,010 So I said, "What's up?" And he goes, "I need to go to pick up the car." 391 00:26:35,552 --> 00:26:37,387 It was late, I thought it was weird, 392 00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:41,349 but at that point I'd known the shop to be open all types of hours of night. 393 00:26:41,433 --> 00:26:45,770 So I said, "Oh, great! Are you sure you're picking up the car?" 394 00:26:45,854 --> 00:26:48,857 He's like, "Yeah, it's all done," and I'm like, "This is over. 395 00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:50,525 Let's get in the car. It's over." 396 00:26:50,608 --> 00:26:52,247 I got in the car, went the three 397 00:26:52,252 --> 00:26:54,612 blocks to get to Ford's house. 398 00:26:55,238 --> 00:26:57,744 He came outside, seemed in a good mood, 399 00:26:57,749 --> 00:26:59,617 so I didn't think anything. 400 00:26:59,701 --> 00:27:01,077 He gets in the car. 401 00:27:01,745 --> 00:27:04,622 I remember turning the car on and saying, 402 00:27:04,706 --> 00:27:06,207 "Let's go to Queens." 403 00:27:06,291 --> 00:27:08,835 "Queens" was our strip club's... 404 00:27:09,419 --> 00:27:10,920 code for going to a strip club. 405 00:27:11,004 --> 00:27:12,881 "Let's go to Queens, let's get a beer." 406 00:27:12,964 --> 00:27:15,550 He goes, "Yeah, sure. Let me just go and get the car." 407 00:27:15,633 --> 00:27:17,010 I said OK. 408 00:27:17,093 --> 00:27:20,180 We got up the street to the first stop sign, 409 00:27:20,263 --> 00:27:23,725 and again I said, "I think we should go get a beer," 410 00:27:23,808 --> 00:27:27,479 and he says, "Kev, you're bugging. Take me to get the car." 411 00:27:27,562 --> 00:27:29,615 We turn, we start heading down Ferndale 412 00:27:29,620 --> 00:27:31,107 towards Brightside, and... 413 00:27:31,191 --> 00:27:33,735 once you make that turn it's pretty much right there. 414 00:27:36,154 --> 00:27:37,919 I remember him going into the yard and 415 00:27:37,924 --> 00:27:39,616 somebody coming out of the shop door 416 00:27:39,699 --> 00:27:41,117 and meeting him in the yard. 417 00:27:41,201 --> 00:27:43,195 And immediately words started getting 418 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,330 exchanged. And I said, "Oh, here we go." 419 00:27:45,413 --> 00:27:49,209 And it's nothing physical, and it's nothing too out of control, 420 00:27:50,377 --> 00:27:52,796 so I'm just, like, not saying nothing. 421 00:27:53,338 --> 00:27:56,132 I'm just kind of standing there, and then... 422 00:27:57,133 --> 00:28:00,595 someone walked out of the garage area. 423 00:28:03,807 --> 00:28:06,309 Three feet, four feet, stopped dead in his tracks. 424 00:28:06,393 --> 00:28:08,353 Ford turned and said, 425 00:28:08,436 --> 00:28:11,314 "Kevin, that's the kid that cursed out my mother." 426 00:28:12,565 --> 00:28:17,070 And then, back we grew up, nobody disrespects your mom. 427 00:28:17,153 --> 00:28:20,740 At that point, I knew somebody was going to get into a fight. 428 00:28:21,282 --> 00:28:24,911 There was nothing for me to say, so I just said, "OK." 429 00:28:25,495 --> 00:28:28,415 And Ford went to walk towards him. 430 00:28:28,498 --> 00:28:30,458 The kid turned, 431 00:28:31,376 --> 00:28:33,294 went back in the garage and made a left. 432 00:28:33,378 --> 00:28:34,712 Disappeared. 433 00:28:34,796 --> 00:28:37,715 The minute Ford walked into that garage door and made a left, 434 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:39,342 I heard a pop. 435 00:28:40,051 --> 00:28:43,054 And I said to the guy, I said, "What the hell was that?" 436 00:28:43,138 --> 00:28:44,931 And he says, "I don't know." 437 00:28:45,014 --> 00:28:47,976 I said, "It sounded like an air compressor," 438 00:28:48,059 --> 00:28:50,228 and then I said, "Do you guys have a gun here?" 439 00:28:50,311 --> 00:28:52,188 He said, "Yeah, we have one in the back." 440 00:28:52,772 --> 00:28:54,274 I said, "Oh, shit." 441 00:28:57,026 --> 00:28:58,528 [Barbara] The phone rang. 442 00:29:01,156 --> 00:29:03,491 Kevin was on the phone. 443 00:29:04,701 --> 00:29:06,077 "Ms. Ford, 444 00:29:07,287 --> 00:29:10,290 you need to come to Super Stang." 445 00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:14,836 I said, "Why?" 446 00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:17,130 He said, "Something happened." 447 00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:19,758 She takes the car. 448 00:29:21,718 --> 00:29:25,889 And all I know is that she pulled out of the driveway, 449 00:29:25,972 --> 00:29:28,933 heading down Cone Avenue. 450 00:29:38,735 --> 00:29:40,695 [Barbara] There was a barricade. 451 00:29:44,741 --> 00:29:47,911 No officer spoke to me. 452 00:29:50,497 --> 00:29:52,457 No officer... 453 00:29:53,917 --> 00:29:55,585 would look at me. 454 00:29:56,878 --> 00:29:59,464 Kevin came to me, 455 00:30:00,965 --> 00:30:03,384 and he said, 456 00:30:04,594 --> 00:30:07,555 "Mark Reilly shot William." 457 00:30:09,098 --> 00:30:12,060 And I said to the officer, 458 00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:14,103 you know... 459 00:30:15,563 --> 00:30:19,484 "Where is my son? I want to be with my son." 460 00:30:22,237 --> 00:30:25,198 And he told me that... 461 00:30:28,034 --> 00:30:31,788 they had taken him to LIPA, 462 00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:35,166 to airlift him... 463 00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:38,294 to Stony Brook. 464 00:30:40,129 --> 00:30:42,549 We went to the emergency room. 465 00:30:43,591 --> 00:30:45,927 The area where he was, 466 00:30:46,553 --> 00:30:47,387 was... 467 00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:50,723 from here to that wall... 468 00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:58,731 with beds, you know, where people were being treated. 469 00:31:07,448 --> 00:31:08,616 And... 470 00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:16,833 he was laying there. 471 00:31:22,046 --> 00:31:24,465 And he looked so peaceful. 472 00:31:30,346 --> 00:31:32,090 [Yance, reading] "The body is that of 473 00:31:32,095 --> 00:31:33,725 a well-developed obese black male. 474 00:31:34,267 --> 00:31:36,936 The body weighs 240 pounds, 475 00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:39,105 is five feet, eight inches in height, 476 00:31:39,188 --> 00:31:42,859 and appears compatible with the reported age of 24 years. 477 00:31:43,693 --> 00:31:46,779 Cause of death: gunshot wound of chest. 478 00:31:46,863 --> 00:31:49,240 Manner of death: homicide." 479 00:31:52,702 --> 00:31:54,537 [Lauren] Eleven o'clock rolls by. 480 00:31:54,996 --> 00:31:59,417 Midnight comes by, and I haven't heard anything from Mom. 481 00:32:00,209 --> 00:32:02,962 And Dad gets home. It's about one o'clock in the morning. 482 00:32:03,046 --> 00:32:06,925 "What are you doing up? Where is your mother? Where is William?" 483 00:32:07,008 --> 00:32:09,802 And I'm like, "He was in a fight and Mom went to get him." 484 00:32:11,012 --> 00:32:13,097 I hear a car pull up outside. 485 00:32:14,724 --> 00:32:18,353 You know, Dad's looking at her, I'm downstairs looking at her, 486 00:32:19,187 --> 00:32:22,190 and she comes in and she's like, "He's gone." 487 00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:26,861 -[Yance] Is that how she said it? -Yeah. 488 00:32:33,409 --> 00:32:35,703 Dad just held her, 489 00:32:37,705 --> 00:32:39,624 and held me, and... 490 00:32:41,501 --> 00:32:42,627 cried. 491 00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:44,379 We all just cried. 492 00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,174 You know? 493 00:32:50,802 --> 00:32:52,804 Dad sent me upstairs to my room. 494 00:32:54,764 --> 00:32:57,225 Whatever she explained, she explained to Dad. 495 00:32:57,767 --> 00:32:59,560 She never explained it to me. 496 00:33:01,813 --> 00:33:04,899 [soft, sinister music] 497 00:33:07,694 --> 00:33:09,862 [Yance, reading] "My boss asked me to call home. 498 00:33:10,613 --> 00:33:13,616 She was the Dean of Multicultural Recruitment at Hamilton. 499 00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:16,327 I asked her what was wrong. 500 00:33:17,412 --> 00:33:18,955 She told me to stay calm. 501 00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:22,083 I told her not to tell me to stay calm. 502 00:33:23,918 --> 00:33:25,545 My dad answered the phone. 503 00:33:25,628 --> 00:33:27,380 I said, 'Is it Mom?' 504 00:33:28,548 --> 00:33:30,466 He said, 'Your mother is fine.' 505 00:33:31,134 --> 00:33:34,345 I said, 'Lauren?' Or maybe I said, 'What's happening?' 506 00:33:35,346 --> 00:33:37,473 He said, 'Your brother is gone.' 507 00:33:40,101 --> 00:33:42,562 The next part of the conversation is a blur to me. 508 00:33:43,229 --> 00:33:45,273 I remember screaming and punching the wall. 509 00:33:46,566 --> 00:33:48,276 Packing a few clothes, 510 00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:50,445 including the one dress I owned, 511 00:33:50,528 --> 00:33:51,571 and leaving. 512 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,075 That was the beginning. 513 00:33:59,162 --> 00:34:00,747 I remember walking into the house 514 00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:03,791 and feeling immediately like I was surrounded by strangers, 515 00:34:04,333 --> 00:34:07,628 even though they were people I had known for most of my life. 516 00:34:08,671 --> 00:34:13,426 I remember walking in and having to suppress the urge 517 00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:16,679 to tell everyone to get the fuck out of the house. 518 00:34:18,765 --> 00:34:23,102 My mother was on the couch, sleeping and crying. 519 00:34:24,437 --> 00:34:25,980 My father was... 520 00:34:28,858 --> 00:34:29,859 stunned. 521 00:34:31,110 --> 00:34:32,570 Imploding. 522 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,656 My sister... 523 00:34:36,532 --> 00:34:37,867 was alone. 524 00:34:43,498 --> 00:34:49,003 And I felt like all the people who were there were in the way, 525 00:34:49,587 --> 00:34:51,564 and were obstructing my ability to see 526 00:34:51,569 --> 00:34:53,549 where the next threat was coming from. 527 00:34:58,721 --> 00:35:01,099 If I could have turned around and left, 528 00:35:03,601 --> 00:35:06,437 I would have, but that wasn't an option." 529 00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:10,733 [soft, sinister music] 530 00:35:25,206 --> 00:35:28,876 [Barbara] We went to meet with the DA. 531 00:35:29,418 --> 00:35:33,673 I'm not going to lie to you and say, 532 00:35:33,756 --> 00:35:37,468 "Well, the DA said this and the detective said that." 533 00:35:38,219 --> 00:35:40,012 This is what I can tell you: 534 00:35:40,096 --> 00:35:42,014 from what they said, 535 00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:47,019 I did not feel that we were received 536 00:35:47,103 --> 00:35:51,190 as parents of a victim. 537 00:35:53,025 --> 00:35:56,779 OK? We weren't received as parents of a victim. 538 00:35:57,321 --> 00:35:59,907 We were received as... 539 00:36:01,701 --> 00:36:07,665 folks being informed that an investigation had to be conducted, 540 00:36:08,332 --> 00:36:10,209 and would be conducted. 541 00:36:10,293 --> 00:36:11,419 OK? 542 00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:17,592 I... 543 00:36:18,926 --> 00:36:22,263 was foolish enough to think 544 00:36:22,889 --> 00:36:25,558 that, well, you know, 545 00:36:25,641 --> 00:36:27,018 "It's gonna be OK." 546 00:36:28,436 --> 00:36:30,646 And then one day I got a call to come... 547 00:36:32,023 --> 00:36:33,274 see Ms. Jones. 548 00:36:33,816 --> 00:36:36,319 We had no experience with this kind of stuff. 549 00:36:36,402 --> 00:36:39,697 Maybe I should have had a lawyer. I don't know what should have went on. 550 00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:41,532 She called and said "Meet me." 551 00:36:41,616 --> 00:36:45,870 You just go there, answer questions... you know, about that night. 552 00:36:45,953 --> 00:36:47,038 That's what I thought. 553 00:36:47,121 --> 00:36:51,250 To be honest, I didn't know she was a DA. I was thinking I was going to a detective. 554 00:36:51,334 --> 00:36:54,629 I was shocked when she walked in the room. 555 00:36:55,504 --> 00:36:57,798 She really started with the stuff with the gym. 556 00:36:57,882 --> 00:37:01,135 She was like, "You look like you're in pretty good shape," 557 00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:03,512 and, "How much do you weigh?" 558 00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:07,225 She asked something about William's size, 559 00:37:07,308 --> 00:37:11,145 kind of, more telling me than asking me, and I don't think she sat down. 560 00:37:11,229 --> 00:37:14,273 She kept walking back and forth in front of the table. 561 00:37:14,357 --> 00:37:15,524 It was just... 562 00:37:15,608 --> 00:37:16,692 I was like, 563 00:37:16,776 --> 00:37:21,656 "Why are they asking me all these questions about strength and gym and..." 564 00:37:22,198 --> 00:37:25,034 It was not a lot about that night, 565 00:37:25,576 --> 00:37:26,994 or about... 566 00:37:29,121 --> 00:37:30,164 William. 567 00:37:33,084 --> 00:37:35,836 [Barbara] What they spent time on 568 00:37:36,545 --> 00:37:42,051 was investigating his background. 569 00:37:44,053 --> 00:37:46,055 That's what they spent time on. 570 00:37:48,683 --> 00:37:52,228 [Yance] Day by day, you hear that your son is being investigated. 571 00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:54,772 Day by day, you hear rumors. 572 00:37:58,693 --> 00:38:00,736 And you grow more and more afraid. 573 00:38:01,821 --> 00:38:05,700 [soft, sinister music] 574 00:38:10,037 --> 00:38:12,290 [phone rings] 575 00:38:16,294 --> 00:38:18,879 [ringing continues] 576 00:38:21,048 --> 00:38:23,509 Countless number of times, 577 00:38:24,885 --> 00:38:26,846 at all hours of the night, 578 00:38:28,764 --> 00:38:31,225 during the summer after my brother was killed, 579 00:38:31,809 --> 00:38:33,894 I could look outside the window, 580 00:38:33,978 --> 00:38:36,230 and there was a car parked across the street. 581 00:38:37,231 --> 00:38:40,192 That car, and whoever was in that car 582 00:38:40,735 --> 00:38:44,530 was watching our house and trying to intimidate my parents. 583 00:38:46,407 --> 00:38:49,327 The phone rang in the middle of the night, 584 00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:51,412 every night for months. 585 00:38:52,872 --> 00:38:57,418 When I was home, I unplugged all of the phones in the house 586 00:38:57,501 --> 00:38:59,045 except for the one in my room, 587 00:38:59,587 --> 00:39:01,714 so my parents could sleep through the night. 588 00:39:01,797 --> 00:39:05,718 So that they wouldn't have to pick up the phone and say, "Hello?" 589 00:39:07,053 --> 00:39:09,680 and not have anyone respond. 590 00:39:10,222 --> 00:39:15,102 So they wouldn't have to hang up the phone and go to the window, 591 00:39:15,186 --> 00:39:18,105 and see the car sitting across the street. 592 00:39:21,192 --> 00:39:23,569 [Yance] Having grown up in the South, 593 00:39:23,652 --> 00:39:27,698 where the cops and the Klan were one and the same, 594 00:39:27,782 --> 00:39:32,661 my parents didn't turn to the police for protection. 595 00:39:33,621 --> 00:39:35,664 They had already felt that the police 596 00:39:35,669 --> 00:39:37,124 had turned their own son 597 00:39:37,208 --> 00:39:39,752 into the prime suspect in his own murder. 598 00:39:42,088 --> 00:39:43,837 So not only is the phone ringing, not 599 00:39:43,842 --> 00:39:45,633 only is there a car across the street, 600 00:39:45,716 --> 00:39:48,052 but there's the growing sense 601 00:39:48,677 --> 00:39:52,973 that the DA is going to actually let this kid 602 00:39:53,057 --> 00:39:55,309 get away with murder. 603 00:40:00,564 --> 00:40:05,444 "May 20th, 1992. District Attorney James Catterson. 604 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,991 Dear Mr. Catterson, I am the mother of William Ford Jr. 605 00:40:11,075 --> 00:40:14,203 a 24-year-old man who was murdered by Mark Reilly. 606 00:40:15,704 --> 00:40:19,041 My family and I have been working with Detective James Hughes 607 00:40:19,125 --> 00:40:21,252 and Assistant DA Stephen O'Brien 608 00:40:21,335 --> 00:40:23,462 regarding the investigation of this crime. 609 00:40:24,505 --> 00:40:28,592 We have waited and worked cooperatively with the investigation. 610 00:40:29,218 --> 00:40:31,762 There is, however, a nagging doubt which I have, 611 00:40:31,846 --> 00:40:34,056 regarding the prosecution of this crime. 612 00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:39,728 Now, nearly two months later after his deliberate death, 613 00:40:39,812 --> 00:40:44,275 I and my family have yet to receive even a note from the Reillys. 614 00:40:45,276 --> 00:40:47,111 Adding insult to injury, 615 00:40:47,194 --> 00:40:51,407 I now fear that your office has not yet fully embraced the advocacy 616 00:40:51,490 --> 00:40:54,869 for the people of the State of New York in the prosecution of this case. 617 00:40:55,744 --> 00:40:56,662 Why? 618 00:40:57,455 --> 00:41:02,877 It is because we are being told, quote, 'It is entirely up to the Grand Jury.' 619 00:41:04,086 --> 00:41:07,298 I believe that the strength of the presentation 620 00:41:07,381 --> 00:41:11,635 made to the Grand Jury by your office is the determining factor. 621 00:41:13,012 --> 00:41:17,099 My son was not armed, not violent, not aggressing. 622 00:41:17,183 --> 00:41:20,603 In no way is his death justifiable. 623 00:41:21,687 --> 00:41:25,983 I intend never to rest until his murderer is brought to justice. 624 00:41:27,151 --> 00:41:31,030 With the advocacy of your office for the people of the State of New York, 625 00:41:31,113 --> 00:41:33,240 I trust that it will be soon, 626 00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:36,076 for we too, are the people. 627 00:41:37,036 --> 00:41:38,496 Barbara Dunmore-Ford." 628 00:41:42,708 --> 00:41:45,920 You know, the Grand Jury is sort of this mystery, right, to people, 629 00:41:46,003 --> 00:41:48,297 And it's written right into our Constitution. 630 00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:50,966 So really, it shouldn't be a mystery, but it is. 631 00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:54,970 You know, the Bill of Rights calls for a Grand Jury in felony cases, 632 00:41:55,054 --> 00:42:00,434 and that allows the prosecutor to present its evidence to a neutral party, 633 00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:04,063 whether it's a Grand Jury or a judge in a preliminary hearing, 634 00:42:04,146 --> 00:42:05,689 to show that there's two things: 635 00:42:05,773 --> 00:42:09,151 one, that there is probable cause that a crime has been committed, 636 00:42:09,235 --> 00:42:13,072 and probable cause that this is the individual who committed the crime. 637 00:42:19,161 --> 00:42:24,250 So at a trial, we have to prove beyond reasonable doubt, to a moral certainty, 638 00:42:24,333 --> 00:42:27,670 that the person charged is the defendant who committed the crime. 639 00:42:27,753 --> 00:42:30,339 But in the Grand Jury it's just probable cause. 640 00:42:35,844 --> 00:42:39,974 In order for the case to go to a trial, the Grand Jury would have had to... 641 00:42:40,057 --> 00:42:43,727 I mean, I wasn't there, but presumably they would have voted a True Bill, 642 00:42:43,811 --> 00:42:46,355 saying that there was probable cause to move forward. 643 00:42:54,488 --> 00:42:58,158 So a Grand Jury is somewhat mysterious, I think, to the general public. 644 00:42:58,242 --> 00:43:01,203 Another reason that is, is that it's secret. 645 00:43:02,162 --> 00:43:04,331 And, you know, that actually... 646 00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:08,043 I think some people get concerned with that. 647 00:43:08,127 --> 00:43:11,046 It's actually supposed to be a protection for the defendant. 648 00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:14,008 And the idea there is, you know, 649 00:43:14,091 --> 00:43:17,678 if the Grand Jury decides that there is not probable cause, 650 00:43:17,761 --> 00:43:21,015 that the person should not have the stigma of, you know, 651 00:43:21,098 --> 00:43:23,851 having been brought before a Grand Jury. 652 00:43:24,393 --> 00:43:25,728 And, you know, 653 00:43:25,811 --> 00:43:30,024 the disclosure of secret Grand Jury material can be a crime in jurisdictions, 654 00:43:30,107 --> 00:43:34,028 and it's certainly unethical for a prosecutor to disclose... 655 00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:35,946 things that happen in a Grand Jury. 656 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:38,407 And the Grand Jurors themselves can't disclose. 657 00:43:38,490 --> 00:43:40,367 Now, the witnesses, in New York, 658 00:43:40,451 --> 00:43:43,120 are free to talk about what they presented to the Grand Jury. 659 00:43:44,705 --> 00:43:46,789 [Barbara] What flashed into my mind just 660 00:43:46,794 --> 00:43:48,751 now, was the room we were waiting in. 661 00:43:48,834 --> 00:43:51,211 The ADA came in, 662 00:43:51,295 --> 00:43:53,797 and called me in to testify. 663 00:43:55,341 --> 00:43:57,676 I walk in. I sit down. 664 00:43:58,677 --> 00:44:00,387 I look around the room. 665 00:44:00,929 --> 00:44:03,223 I see nobody who looks like me. 666 00:44:05,017 --> 00:44:06,894 No person of color. 667 00:44:13,942 --> 00:44:19,239 They were sitting in an area like a theater. 668 00:44:19,865 --> 00:44:21,450 Elevated seats. 669 00:44:22,951 --> 00:44:25,913 There must have been twenty-something people there. 670 00:44:27,748 --> 00:44:29,875 One person was reading a book, 671 00:44:29,958 --> 00:44:32,503 another lady was reading a magazine, 672 00:44:33,045 --> 00:44:35,673 there was a conversation going on... 673 00:44:36,590 --> 00:44:41,095 My feelings were, when I sat in that chair... 674 00:44:43,555 --> 00:44:47,768 was, "They don't care about what I have to say. 675 00:44:47,851 --> 00:44:49,186 They really don't." 676 00:44:49,937 --> 00:44:51,605 They weren't paying attention. 677 00:44:52,898 --> 00:44:54,191 They weren't. 678 00:44:54,817 --> 00:44:55,734 OK? 679 00:44:56,693 --> 00:44:57,736 And... 680 00:44:59,738 --> 00:45:03,826 I became very angry with myself, 681 00:45:04,785 --> 00:45:07,079 because at one point... 682 00:45:09,123 --> 00:45:10,999 I began to cry. 683 00:45:12,543 --> 00:45:14,420 And I... 684 00:45:15,546 --> 00:45:18,298 hated that moment. 685 00:45:19,675 --> 00:45:20,968 Because... 686 00:45:24,138 --> 00:45:25,848 I felt that... 687 00:45:27,724 --> 00:45:30,602 you know, they were going to say, 688 00:45:31,353 --> 00:45:34,690 "Here is another black woman 689 00:45:34,773 --> 00:45:38,193 who didn't do her job with her child, 690 00:45:38,277 --> 00:45:41,447 and now she wants us to make somebody pay." 691 00:45:43,365 --> 00:45:44,533 That's how I felt. 692 00:45:45,951 --> 00:45:48,245 When your father came back, 693 00:45:48,787 --> 00:45:50,080 he said to me... 694 00:45:52,833 --> 00:45:55,085 "Don't expect anything, 695 00:45:55,169 --> 00:45:58,046 because it ain't gonna happen." 696 00:45:58,130 --> 00:46:01,383 -[Yance] And how did you find out? -They came here. 697 00:46:01,467 --> 00:46:02,759 [Yance] Who came here? 698 00:46:04,511 --> 00:46:05,637 [sighs] 699 00:46:06,763 --> 00:46:08,432 One ADA, 700 00:46:09,516 --> 00:46:11,393 and a detective. 701 00:46:14,563 --> 00:46:16,190 [Yance] And what did they tell you? 702 00:46:17,774 --> 00:46:19,359 They didn't indict. 703 00:46:19,443 --> 00:46:21,361 They returned a No True Bill. 704 00:46:26,575 --> 00:46:27,868 [Yance] That was it? 705 00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:30,704 "I'm sorry." 706 00:46:34,458 --> 00:46:35,959 [Yance] What happened after that? 707 00:46:36,043 --> 00:46:38,587 I opened the door and said, "Thank you for coming." 708 00:46:42,966 --> 00:46:45,219 And I will be very honest with you. 709 00:46:45,302 --> 00:46:47,513 When that door closed, I collapsed. 710 00:46:51,141 --> 00:46:53,602 [soft music] 711 00:47:19,211 --> 00:47:22,381 [Yance] I haven't ever, not once, 712 00:47:23,674 --> 00:47:25,759 tried to imagine what he looks like. 713 00:47:28,095 --> 00:47:29,721 I think he looks like... 714 00:47:34,184 --> 00:47:36,270 no offense to present company, 715 00:47:36,895 --> 00:47:38,730 every white man I've ever seen. 716 00:47:43,402 --> 00:47:46,905 I think he looks like... the ticket taker... 717 00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:49,199 on the Long Island Railroad. 718 00:47:49,283 --> 00:47:51,660 I think he looks like, you know... 719 00:47:53,996 --> 00:47:57,374 the guy in front of me, buying a beer, 720 00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:59,501 at the bar. 721 00:48:02,462 --> 00:48:04,464 I think he looks like, you know... 722 00:48:07,718 --> 00:48:09,678 the schmuck who took my cab. 723 00:48:11,179 --> 00:48:13,056 He looks like my physical therapist. 724 00:48:16,977 --> 00:48:19,146 He looks like, you know... 725 00:48:21,356 --> 00:48:23,692 anybody, anyone, everyone. 726 00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:26,403 He's everywhere. 727 00:48:30,115 --> 00:48:31,617 He looks like everywhere. 728 00:48:40,125 --> 00:48:42,002 It's one of those things you do in high school. 729 00:48:42,085 --> 00:48:43,295 Everybody just.... 730 00:48:44,212 --> 00:48:45,047 proves themselves. 731 00:48:45,130 --> 00:48:48,634 And... Ford proved himself on a daily basis! 732 00:48:48,717 --> 00:48:50,052 [Kevin laughs] 733 00:48:50,135 --> 00:48:53,639 He just took on this personality, I guess, once he realized his size, 734 00:48:53,722 --> 00:48:57,351 and that he could... you know, that he could intimidate people. 735 00:48:57,934 --> 00:49:01,063 It was actually my birthday, I think it was my 16th birthday, 736 00:49:01,146 --> 00:49:03,852 and one of the more menacing kids decided 737 00:49:03,857 --> 00:49:06,401 that day was my turn to get picked on. 738 00:49:06,485 --> 00:49:10,280 We were in a fight, and one of his friends had a knife, 739 00:49:10,364 --> 00:49:15,035 and tried to give the knife to the person I was engaged with. 740 00:49:15,911 --> 00:49:18,747 Ford just stopped him, and he goes, 741 00:49:19,498 --> 00:49:21,249 "I wouldn't do that if I was you." 742 00:49:21,333 --> 00:49:24,294 He just grabbed the knife and the kid just kind of looked at him, 743 00:49:24,378 --> 00:49:27,172 and went back to watching the fight. 744 00:49:27,255 --> 00:49:29,299 You know, I don't know if he saved my life. 745 00:49:29,383 --> 00:49:31,134 It was just, Ford was very protective. 746 00:49:34,763 --> 00:49:37,099 [Kevin] Ford got his license in the 11th grade. 747 00:49:37,683 --> 00:49:41,978 Your family had an extremely large, green station wagon. 748 00:49:44,064 --> 00:49:45,953 I think it probably fit, like, 15 people 749 00:49:45,958 --> 00:49:47,693 in it, and we made sure that it did. 750 00:49:47,776 --> 00:49:51,071 And we would travel to different towns, 751 00:49:51,154 --> 00:49:54,157 looking for trouble and looking for girls. 752 00:49:54,241 --> 00:49:57,160 Ninety-nine percent trouble and one percent girls! 753 00:49:57,244 --> 00:49:58,662 [JVC Force: "Strong Island"] 754 00:49:58,745 --> 00:50:03,166 Living in CI, who the hell am I? AJ Rok the juice, I get fly 755 00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:05,502 Cool with the riffing Guy, keep a handle 756 00:50:05,585 --> 00:50:08,338 Cause if you don't I'll wax you down like a candle 757 00:50:08,422 --> 00:50:10,632 Kill it or shoot it Buy it or distribute it 758 00:50:10,716 --> 00:50:12,676 But either way the two's unconstituted 759 00:50:12,759 --> 00:50:15,804 Styling and wilding Constantly smiling 760 00:50:15,887 --> 00:50:18,640 We'll keep trooping In a place called Strong Island 761 00:50:19,474 --> 00:50:22,561 So the first time I met him was in '85, 762 00:50:22,644 --> 00:50:25,564 our freshman year at Howard University in Washington DC. 763 00:50:26,398 --> 00:50:31,027 And Ford was the only one that had on a shirt and tie, 764 00:50:31,570 --> 00:50:35,657 slacks, and some... you know, a pair of dress shoes! 765 00:50:35,741 --> 00:50:38,243 Everybody else was in sneakers and shorts. 766 00:50:38,326 --> 00:50:40,829 And it was strange, 767 00:50:40,912 --> 00:50:43,957 because the first thought you would think is, 768 00:50:44,666 --> 00:50:46,084 "Is he a nerd?" 769 00:50:46,168 --> 00:50:48,670 You know, was he a square, or... 770 00:50:48,754 --> 00:50:52,174 But he actually wasn't any of that. 771 00:50:52,257 --> 00:50:53,967 You know, he was just... 772 00:50:56,803 --> 00:50:59,598 He liked to make a good impression, you know? 773 00:51:00,807 --> 00:51:03,018 The second semester was the hardest for him. 774 00:51:06,188 --> 00:51:08,857 He didn't love Howard, you know. 775 00:51:10,233 --> 00:51:14,279 He wanted to be home, you know. He wanted to be home. Yeah. 776 00:51:22,204 --> 00:51:25,040 [Yance, reading] "January 30th, 1989. 777 00:51:26,291 --> 00:51:28,919 I'm trying to keep all aspects of my life balanced 778 00:51:29,002 --> 00:51:31,213 and be successful in all of them. 779 00:51:31,296 --> 00:51:33,757 I cut school today to go get a job. 780 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:38,470 I got a Sunday-to-Thursday three-to-11 shift, driving a cab. 781 00:51:39,054 --> 00:51:42,474 I need the money for Valentine's Day and Mom's birthday, 782 00:51:42,557 --> 00:51:44,810 and my other job doesn't start until the 15th." 783 00:51:47,938 --> 00:51:48,939 Untitled. 784 00:51:50,315 --> 00:51:52,567 "Looking at her is peace itself. 785 00:51:53,401 --> 00:51:55,654 He is at last where he has longed to be. 786 00:51:56,196 --> 00:51:58,281 Finally, a loving place in her heart. 787 00:51:59,825 --> 00:52:01,827 He looks upon her and now begins to wonder 788 00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:04,412 if the love of someone so radiant can be possessed. 789 00:52:06,414 --> 00:52:08,458 He likes holding her in his arms, 790 00:52:08,542 --> 00:52:12,462 close to him, breathing together as if from one heart. 791 00:52:14,089 --> 00:52:16,151 He loves her gentle kisses under his neck 792 00:52:16,156 --> 00:52:17,884 that make him powerless to stand. 793 00:52:19,845 --> 00:52:22,597 Does she know that she is the ghost that haunts his dreams? 794 00:52:23,598 --> 00:52:26,059 Dream, and dream. 795 00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:28,687 He begins to wonder. 796 00:52:29,271 --> 00:52:32,232 He looks at her because he doesn't want to lose 797 00:52:32,315 --> 00:52:34,609 what he is not certain he truly has. 798 00:52:35,902 --> 00:52:37,195 He will always look. 799 00:52:38,947 --> 00:52:40,198 Anything she wants. 800 00:52:41,074 --> 00:52:42,576 William Ford, Jr." 801 00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:46,705 Some of the stuff, I couldn't wrap my mind around. 802 00:52:46,788 --> 00:52:49,875 I said, "Bread, man, what are you writing about, man?" 803 00:52:50,792 --> 00:52:53,253 But in retrospect, 804 00:52:53,336 --> 00:52:56,256 it could have just been life, man, you know. 805 00:52:57,591 --> 00:53:00,093 [Yance] William needed a job to get him back on his feet, 806 00:53:00,176 --> 00:53:02,257 and my mother helped him get a position 807 00:53:02,262 --> 00:53:03,680 as an assistant teacher. 808 00:53:04,723 --> 00:53:07,309 He was assigned to the boys' school on Rikers Island 809 00:53:07,392 --> 00:53:10,186 and helped teach math to the young men who were jailed there. 810 00:53:12,105 --> 00:53:14,859 [Harvey] When Cornbread started teaching 811 00:53:14,864 --> 00:53:17,736 at Rikers, I think his innocence was lost. 812 00:53:19,195 --> 00:53:21,239 The tragedy... 813 00:53:24,784 --> 00:53:27,829 to see others... 814 00:53:30,206 --> 00:53:33,668 that... that look like you, are you... 815 00:53:36,004 --> 00:53:37,380 still in bondage. 816 00:53:38,506 --> 00:53:42,969 To try to wrap your mind around what needs to be done, 817 00:53:43,762 --> 00:53:45,180 at a young age, 818 00:53:45,263 --> 00:53:47,724 realizing there's no quick fix, 819 00:53:47,807 --> 00:53:50,602 and this was... it was like a culture shock. 820 00:53:53,063 --> 00:53:57,025 I think the... his experience at Rikers 821 00:53:57,859 --> 00:54:00,362 deepened him, you know? 822 00:54:03,323 --> 00:54:05,033 It deepened him, 823 00:54:05,116 --> 00:54:06,910 to the point that... 824 00:54:10,789 --> 00:54:13,249 he wanted to... to make... 825 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,049 make his... efforts count for something. 826 00:54:22,092 --> 00:54:23,259 Yeah. 827 00:54:30,183 --> 00:54:33,436 [Kevin] William walked towards the garage and made a left. 828 00:54:35,063 --> 00:54:37,691 It wasn't maybe two seconds, three seconds... 829 00:54:37,774 --> 00:54:39,526 I just heard, like, a pop. 830 00:54:41,194 --> 00:54:43,321 By the time I got to the garage door, 831 00:54:43,405 --> 00:54:45,782 William was backpedaling, 832 00:54:45,865 --> 00:54:49,244 and he just kind of spun, I mean, with the biggest eyeballs, 833 00:54:49,327 --> 00:54:52,580 and he just looked at me and he goes, "Kev, he shot me." 834 00:54:53,832 --> 00:54:57,502 And... I wasn't strong enough to hold him up. 835 00:54:57,585 --> 00:54:59,462 We both kind of fell to the ground. 836 00:54:59,546 --> 00:55:02,757 You know, once I asked the guy, he was named Tom, 837 00:55:02,841 --> 00:55:04,426 "What kind of gun is it?" 838 00:55:04,509 --> 00:55:07,887 And he goes, "Oh, it's a twenty-two. It's a rifle." 839 00:55:07,971 --> 00:55:09,597 So I kind of chuckled and I... 840 00:55:09,681 --> 00:55:13,018 you know, it's kind of something you use to hunt rabbits or birds, you know? 841 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,229 I remember laughing, and I'm holding Ford, and going, 842 00:55:16,312 --> 00:55:18,064 "Dude you got shot with a .22! 843 00:55:18,148 --> 00:55:20,650 This is hilarious! Are you kidding me? Get up!" 844 00:55:21,568 --> 00:55:22,944 And, 845 00:55:23,611 --> 00:55:24,821 Ford wasn't saying nothing. 846 00:55:24,904 --> 00:55:26,614 I'm like, "Dude, get up." 847 00:55:26,698 --> 00:55:28,199 And... 848 00:55:29,826 --> 00:55:32,245 Then I saw some kind of... 849 00:55:33,121 --> 00:55:36,291 fluid, you know, on the pavement, 850 00:55:36,374 --> 00:55:38,251 and I'm just, like, "What is that?" 851 00:55:38,334 --> 00:55:39,377 And... 852 00:55:40,795 --> 00:55:43,089 you know, it was never... 853 00:55:43,173 --> 00:55:44,758 I never saw any blood. 854 00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:48,887 I just remember things happening very fast at that point. 855 00:55:48,970 --> 00:55:52,557 The police came and they're, like, grabbing me, 856 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,978 and pulling me to get away from Ford, and I'm like, "You can't leave him there!" 857 00:55:57,062 --> 00:56:01,191 And they're like, "There's a person with a gun inside, get behind the car." 858 00:56:01,274 --> 00:56:04,110 They put me behind the police car and they left Ford there. 859 00:56:04,194 --> 00:56:05,945 I'm like, "You can't leave him here." 860 00:56:06,029 --> 00:56:09,657 And, one police officer was like, "You better not move." 861 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,410 And the next thing I know, 862 00:56:12,494 --> 00:56:16,081 they were walking out with the guy that, you know, shot him. 863 00:56:16,623 --> 00:56:21,419 And he never went in handcuffs, and that was kind of odd to me. 864 00:56:21,503 --> 00:56:25,590 I don't remember them putting him in a police car. They put him against the car. 865 00:56:25,673 --> 00:56:27,967 And there was a conversation that ensued. 866 00:56:28,051 --> 00:56:32,388 That's the part that was just weird to me. I kept paying attention to that part. 867 00:56:33,098 --> 00:56:35,225 At some point, a limousine pulled up, 868 00:56:35,767 --> 00:56:38,394 and I remember them walking this kid to the limousine. 869 00:56:38,478 --> 00:56:43,399 And I just stood there, like, "This is crazy that he's not in handcuffs, 870 00:56:43,483 --> 00:56:45,485 that he's going to get into a limo." 871 00:56:47,445 --> 00:56:49,823 He was in there for some period of time. 872 00:56:50,907 --> 00:56:54,244 I kept asking, I said, "Where's the ambulance? What's going on? 873 00:56:54,327 --> 00:56:57,497 I've got to go see Ford. I've got to go see my friend." 874 00:56:57,580 --> 00:57:01,626 And this cop is like, "You're not going anywhere, you're coming to the precinct. 875 00:57:01,709 --> 00:57:03,461 You have a lot of questions to answer. 876 00:57:03,545 --> 00:57:07,507 You have to understand that a man has been murdered here tonight." 877 00:57:07,590 --> 00:57:12,262 It's how I found out that Ford had already, I guess, passed away. 878 00:57:13,263 --> 00:57:16,850 And I remember standing there, and I'm like, "What? 879 00:57:16,933 --> 00:57:19,102 What do you mean? He's dead?" 880 00:57:20,019 --> 00:57:22,564 From the time that William was shot 881 00:57:22,647 --> 00:57:24,274 and that limo pulled up, 882 00:57:24,357 --> 00:57:25,942 the story got made then. 883 00:57:26,943 --> 00:57:28,111 You know, 884 00:57:28,194 --> 00:57:31,573 that this person... 885 00:57:32,449 --> 00:57:35,785 was not going to jail, period. 886 00:57:36,703 --> 00:57:37,871 You know. 887 00:57:38,913 --> 00:57:40,540 It just wasn't going to happen. 888 00:57:49,507 --> 00:57:51,676 [Yance] So after William was killed, I was... 889 00:57:52,218 --> 00:57:54,637 I tried to have eyes in the back of my head. 890 00:57:57,515 --> 00:57:59,392 Am I saying what I really mean? 891 00:58:03,396 --> 00:58:06,065 I remember coming here and I remember... 892 00:58:08,776 --> 00:58:10,612 you know, kind of... 893 00:58:13,031 --> 00:58:15,700 you know, kind of coming inside and seeing you guys. 894 00:58:18,578 --> 00:58:20,663 And your mom was sitting on the couch, 895 00:58:21,664 --> 00:58:23,708 and I was kind of scared to approach her. 896 00:58:24,626 --> 00:58:27,212 And she was, like... She's like, "Come here." 897 00:58:27,295 --> 00:58:30,798 And I kind of walked over and she said, "Sit on my lap." 898 00:58:30,882 --> 00:58:34,844 And she said, "Kevin, just two things." 899 00:58:34,928 --> 00:58:37,430 She goes, "Don't desert me," 900 00:58:38,097 --> 00:58:39,098 and she goes, 901 00:58:39,182 --> 00:58:42,810 "This is what Ford would have wanted. He would have wanted you to be there." 902 00:58:47,148 --> 00:58:48,900 That was just... 903 00:58:53,905 --> 00:58:56,449 It took the air out of me, you know? 904 00:58:59,118 --> 00:59:02,080 It left me constantly winded, man. 905 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,333 You know. 906 00:59:06,918 --> 00:59:08,378 You know... 907 00:59:13,508 --> 00:59:16,803 I decided not to let anybody see me upset. 908 00:59:17,554 --> 00:59:20,515 Because then they would want to talk about it. 909 00:59:20,598 --> 00:59:24,394 And I don't want to talk about it. Back then, I didn't want to talk about it. 910 00:59:25,603 --> 00:59:30,191 So whenever anybody asked me how I was doing, I said I was doing fine. 911 00:59:31,693 --> 00:59:34,195 I started spending some time... 912 00:59:36,030 --> 00:59:40,493 away from home, because I couldn't be here by myself. 913 00:59:41,995 --> 00:59:44,664 Or, you know, with Mom and Dad. 914 00:59:45,206 --> 00:59:48,167 Mom just spontaneously crying, and... 915 00:59:48,626 --> 00:59:53,131 If I wasn't with my friends after school, 916 00:59:53,673 --> 00:59:56,259 I was here, either in my room, 917 00:59:56,843 --> 00:59:58,344 or watching TV. 918 00:59:59,512 --> 01:00:01,973 And just... just staying quiet. 919 01:00:07,228 --> 01:00:09,731 [Yance] After William was killed, I was scared. 920 01:00:10,940 --> 01:00:14,277 I was scared to leave my home, 921 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:15,945 I was scared to stay. 922 01:00:20,575 --> 01:00:23,036 I was scared that my parents would... 923 01:00:33,046 --> 01:00:36,758 Your father said to me, 924 01:00:39,052 --> 01:00:41,721 "Don't do anything to hurt my daughters. 925 01:00:45,058 --> 01:00:48,686 Don't do anything to hurt my girls. 926 01:00:49,354 --> 01:00:51,397 These are vicious people. 927 01:00:52,982 --> 01:00:56,194 Your son was shot down like a dog. 928 01:00:58,112 --> 01:01:00,448 You're not going to be with them always, 929 01:01:00,531 --> 01:01:02,200 I'm not with them always. 930 01:01:02,867 --> 01:01:04,702 The girls are all we have left." 931 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,791 [soft, sinister music] 932 01:01:14,170 --> 01:01:18,257 [Barbara] I wanted him to be angry. 933 01:01:18,341 --> 01:01:21,552 I wanted him to be outraged. 934 01:01:23,721 --> 01:01:25,598 I wanted him... 935 01:01:26,641 --> 01:01:28,017 to... 936 01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:31,604 I wanted him to get a gun... 937 01:01:34,399 --> 01:01:38,027 to avenge my son's death. 938 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,909 He became silent. 939 01:01:55,128 --> 01:01:58,673 We never sat down as a family and talked about what happened. 940 01:02:03,761 --> 01:02:05,430 We just kind of... 941 01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:12,228 went into our own spaces, went into our own heads. 942 01:02:19,819 --> 01:02:22,238 [Barbara] The house had a stillness 943 01:02:23,573 --> 01:02:26,409 unlike anything I've ever felt 944 01:02:27,535 --> 01:02:28,995 in my life. 945 01:02:33,499 --> 01:02:35,209 It was like... 946 01:02:36,669 --> 01:02:38,713 all the sound... 947 01:02:39,672 --> 01:02:41,048 left the world. 948 01:02:47,263 --> 01:02:50,141 I thought... 949 01:02:51,058 --> 01:02:54,270 that I could comfort your father, 950 01:02:55,855 --> 01:02:58,983 or... and that he would comfort me. 951 01:03:01,986 --> 01:03:04,030 But he turned his back. 952 01:03:08,367 --> 01:03:11,287 I would move over, over... 953 01:03:12,121 --> 01:03:15,374 and... he couldn't go any further. 954 01:03:16,125 --> 01:03:17,835 He couldn't go any further. 955 01:03:20,213 --> 01:03:23,758 So I got up and I walked around the bed, 956 01:03:24,300 --> 01:03:26,219 and I got in front of him. 957 01:03:28,471 --> 01:03:29,931 I just said, 958 01:03:32,183 --> 01:03:34,435 "It's not your loss. 959 01:03:35,812 --> 01:03:38,064 It's our loss. 960 01:03:41,108 --> 01:03:44,529 We, together, created this child. 961 01:03:45,363 --> 01:03:48,991 God granted him to us for these years. 962 01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:57,291 You can't grieve an issue that came from my body, 963 01:03:57,375 --> 01:03:58,960 and shut me out." 964 01:04:03,297 --> 01:04:04,841 And we both cried. 965 01:04:05,383 --> 01:04:08,719 He embraced me, and we both cried. 966 01:04:08,803 --> 01:04:10,930 And that's how we went to sleep. 967 01:04:19,105 --> 01:04:22,900 [soft wind blows] 968 01:04:32,493 --> 01:04:34,537 [chattering crowd] 969 01:04:36,622 --> 01:04:38,082 Yance, go down. 970 01:04:38,666 --> 01:04:41,377 Why don't you let us button up your strap? 971 01:04:42,086 --> 01:04:42,962 No. 972 01:04:43,045 --> 01:04:44,859 [Yance] My father had the stroke that 973 01:04:44,864 --> 01:04:46,883 paralyzed him on the left side of his body 974 01:04:46,966 --> 01:04:49,093 the year after my brother was killed. 975 01:04:52,638 --> 01:04:54,473 Help me stand up. 976 01:04:54,557 --> 01:04:56,058 Help you stand up? 977 01:04:57,602 --> 01:04:58,811 Yeah. 978 01:05:04,483 --> 01:05:06,402 Right. OK. 979 01:05:07,194 --> 01:05:08,654 [Lauren] Yance, stand next to Dad. 980 01:05:08,738 --> 01:05:10,406 -Do you want to stand beside me? -Yeah. 981 01:05:10,489 --> 01:05:12,491 -Where are you? -I'm right here. 982 01:05:13,868 --> 01:05:15,786 That's the good side. 983 01:05:16,621 --> 01:05:19,040 The right side is the good side. 984 01:05:19,123 --> 01:05:21,834 -I know. -Alright. OK. 985 01:05:21,918 --> 01:05:23,210 [Lauren] Smile, Dad. 986 01:05:23,294 --> 01:05:24,587 [he chuckles] 987 01:05:26,088 --> 01:05:27,632 What else? 988 01:05:28,215 --> 01:05:30,468 [Lauren] OK, this is good. I'm done. 989 01:05:32,553 --> 01:05:34,513 And... fading to black. 990 01:05:34,597 --> 01:05:36,432 [woman laughs] 991 01:05:37,683 --> 01:05:40,686 When I went to college, I did start doing what I wanted to do. 992 01:05:41,228 --> 01:05:46,025 I had filled out an application for the Rochester Police Department... 993 01:05:47,234 --> 01:05:48,444 you know? 994 01:05:49,195 --> 01:05:51,948 And I was looking into the Monroe Sheriff's County... 995 01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:55,451 the Monroe County Sheriff's Department. 996 01:05:55,993 --> 01:05:59,080 I wanted to... I was pursuing... 997 01:05:59,872 --> 01:06:03,376 you know, being a cop or being an EMT up there, 998 01:06:03,918 --> 01:06:05,336 when Dad had his stroke, 999 01:06:05,419 --> 01:06:06,379 and... 1000 01:06:07,505 --> 01:06:09,674 Mom was like, "We can't afford to keep you up there." 1001 01:06:17,139 --> 01:06:19,934 [Lauren] 7:30 in the morning. I had woken up late. 1002 01:06:20,017 --> 01:06:22,728 I got dressed, got my stuff together... 1003 01:06:24,814 --> 01:06:27,900 I had to go to class, because we had a test. 1004 01:06:32,613 --> 01:06:34,907 I go into the city. I do my thing. 1005 01:06:35,282 --> 01:06:36,409 I come back home, 1006 01:06:38,077 --> 01:06:41,247 but the first thing I see is Dad's wheelchair folded up 1007 01:06:41,831 --> 01:06:45,042 in the corner of the foyer, and I'm like, "What's going on?" 1008 01:06:47,878 --> 01:06:50,923 Mom found him outside, 1009 01:06:52,091 --> 01:06:54,552 underneath the porch in a nice shady spot, 1010 01:06:54,635 --> 01:06:57,596 where he liked to sit and watch people go by. 1011 01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:01,058 [gentle ambient music] 1012 01:07:36,010 --> 01:07:40,347 [Barbara] I did William a great disservice 1013 01:07:41,849 --> 01:07:45,436 in raising him the way we did. 1014 01:07:46,687 --> 01:07:48,439 Because, 1015 01:07:48,522 --> 01:07:52,359 we've always tried to teach you guys 1016 01:07:52,443 --> 01:07:56,489 that you see character and not color. 1017 01:08:01,077 --> 01:08:03,746 And many, many times, I wonder... 1018 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,460 how I could be so wrong. 1019 01:08:31,565 --> 01:08:34,443 [Yance] The only nightmare I ever remember having 1020 01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:39,406 is my mother, standing at the top of the stairway 1021 01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:41,200 in her nightgown. 1022 01:08:42,201 --> 01:08:44,078 Her hair is on end. 1023 01:08:44,745 --> 01:08:46,372 There's light behind her. 1024 01:08:47,414 --> 01:08:49,125 I can't see her face. 1025 01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:52,211 She says to me, 1026 01:08:53,504 --> 01:08:55,548 "This house is made of bone. 1027 01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,010 This house is made of bone. 1028 01:09:02,263 --> 01:09:04,849 This house is made of bone." 1029 01:09:12,815 --> 01:09:15,276 [buzzing] 1030 01:09:28,998 --> 01:09:30,708 [Barbara] I failed 1031 01:09:31,292 --> 01:09:34,712 to keep my son alive. 1032 01:09:37,673 --> 01:09:41,010 I failed you and your sister, 1033 01:09:41,677 --> 01:09:45,764 in not pursuing justice. 1034 01:09:49,393 --> 01:09:51,478 How do you know... 1035 01:09:52,021 --> 01:09:55,149 when and what to do differently? 1036 01:09:56,775 --> 01:09:59,236 [Yance] OK, my dear. 1037 01:10:00,112 --> 01:10:01,906 [Barbara] Thank you very much. 1038 01:10:02,489 --> 01:10:04,867 [Yance] Want to go up to the mirror to take a look? 1039 01:10:13,334 --> 01:10:16,420 My mother always suspected that there was something else, 1040 01:10:16,962 --> 01:10:19,882 that she didn't know, or that she hadn't been told, 1041 01:10:19,965 --> 01:10:23,719 that had happened, that had contributed to my brother's death. 1042 01:10:25,054 --> 01:10:26,347 She had asked me, 1043 01:10:26,889 --> 01:10:29,350 "Is there anything that you know that I don't know?" 1044 01:10:29,892 --> 01:10:33,979 And I flat out lied to her on more than one occasion, 1045 01:10:34,063 --> 01:10:34,980 and said, "No. 1046 01:10:35,940 --> 01:10:37,650 You know everything I know." 1047 01:10:39,985 --> 01:10:41,528 [Yance] And that wasn't true. 1048 01:10:45,491 --> 01:10:47,547 I never told my mom about the conversation 1049 01:10:47,552 --> 01:10:48,911 that William had with me. 1050 01:10:48,994 --> 01:10:51,121 I never told my mother that he called. 1051 01:10:53,999 --> 01:10:55,914 I went to college 300 miles from home, 1052 01:10:55,919 --> 01:10:57,670 in the middle of upstate New York. 1053 01:10:58,837 --> 01:11:01,757 When I got to Hamilton, I could finally come out. 1054 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,843 I just didn't have to hide anymore. 1055 01:11:05,469 --> 01:11:07,888 And that's the person that William didn't know. 1056 01:11:11,684 --> 01:11:15,145 When William had a confrontation... 1057 01:11:15,229 --> 01:11:19,108 Not the night that he was shot but about a month earlier, 1058 01:11:20,526 --> 01:11:22,194 at the garage, 1059 01:11:22,987 --> 01:11:28,158 and threw a vacuum cleaner and picked up a... a car door... 1060 01:11:30,703 --> 01:11:32,454 threatening to slam it down... 1061 01:11:34,623 --> 01:11:36,000 He called me after that, 1062 01:11:36,542 --> 01:11:40,212 and told me what he had done, and... 1063 01:11:41,463 --> 01:11:43,924 I was proud of him. 1064 01:11:44,675 --> 01:11:48,053 I cheered him on, for being a bad-ass, 1065 01:11:48,137 --> 01:11:50,431 for not taking shit from anybody. 1066 01:11:50,514 --> 01:11:52,182 And he actually called me. 1067 01:11:54,268 --> 01:11:56,353 He could have called his friends. 1068 01:11:57,354 --> 01:11:59,648 He could have chosen not to call anyone. 1069 01:11:59,732 --> 01:12:02,735 But he called me, and told me about it. 1070 01:12:02,818 --> 01:12:04,987 Because he was proud of himself. 1071 01:12:05,821 --> 01:12:08,157 And I think that he wanted me to be proud of him. 1072 01:12:08,741 --> 01:12:09,992 And I was. 1073 01:12:12,286 --> 01:12:14,246 And I felt a little bit like... 1074 01:12:16,206 --> 01:12:20,085 even though he might not have fully known who he was talking to... 1075 01:12:22,421 --> 01:12:25,549 it felt like he was talking to the real me. 1076 01:12:29,053 --> 01:12:31,138 And that's why that phone call is so dear. 1077 01:12:32,848 --> 01:12:34,558 That's why it's so important. 1078 01:12:36,352 --> 01:12:38,354 And that's why I feel like I fucked it up. 1079 01:12:41,690 --> 01:12:44,026 [Yance] Mark Reilly is accountable for William's death 1080 01:12:44,109 --> 01:12:45,986 because Mark Reilly shot William. 1081 01:12:47,613 --> 01:12:51,617 But I could have helped William stay out of that situation to begin with. 1082 01:12:52,826 --> 01:12:56,205 If I had told my parents about the first incident, 1083 01:12:56,288 --> 01:12:59,625 he would have been stopped in his tracks, 1084 01:12:59,708 --> 01:13:01,710 because they both would have come down on him. 1085 01:13:02,711 --> 01:13:04,129 But instead, 1086 01:13:04,671 --> 01:13:06,340 I enjoyed... 1087 01:13:07,383 --> 01:13:09,176 my brother, the hero. 1088 01:13:10,844 --> 01:13:14,139 And a month later or so, 1089 01:13:14,223 --> 01:13:15,766 that hero was dead. 1090 01:13:17,726 --> 01:13:20,646 The madness that is my brother's death, 1091 01:13:21,271 --> 01:13:23,232 would drive me mad, 1092 01:13:24,358 --> 01:13:26,402 if I weren't able... 1093 01:13:28,487 --> 01:13:31,657 to hold myself accountable for at least a small part of it. 1094 01:13:32,783 --> 01:13:35,869 Because then, it sort of... it grounds it somewhere. 1095 01:13:35,953 --> 01:13:37,621 It puts it on the earth, 1096 01:13:38,664 --> 01:13:42,918 as opposed to in the ether, or as opposed to... in the unknown, 1097 01:13:43,001 --> 01:13:44,795 or in the anonymous. 1098 01:13:46,255 --> 01:13:50,175 If I don't ground it, in some way, in myself, 1099 01:13:50,717 --> 01:13:53,011 then it's everywhere, all the time. 1100 01:13:53,095 --> 01:13:54,555 It's ubiquitous. 1101 01:13:57,933 --> 01:14:02,020 And that actually is a greater, more damaging, 1102 01:14:02,563 --> 01:14:04,690 heavier burden to live with, 1103 01:14:05,315 --> 01:14:09,945 than to blame myself for not being a smarter 19-year-old, 1104 01:14:10,028 --> 01:14:12,448 when my brother called me and told me 1105 01:14:13,073 --> 01:14:15,492 about this stupid fight that he had. 1106 01:14:20,873 --> 01:14:22,374 Does that make sense? 1107 01:14:29,131 --> 01:14:31,341 [train horn blaring] 1108 01:14:50,027 --> 01:14:52,821 [car passes outside] 1109 01:14:55,741 --> 01:14:58,869 [phone dialing] 1110 01:15:00,621 --> 01:15:03,415 [ringing] 1111 01:15:08,378 --> 01:15:10,047 [man] Detective's Association. 1112 01:15:10,130 --> 01:15:13,634 Good morning. I was hoping to speak to Detective James Hughes, please. 1113 01:15:13,717 --> 01:15:15,594 This is Detective James Hughes. 1114 01:15:15,677 --> 01:15:18,680 Good morning, Detective Hughes. My name is Yance Ford. 1115 01:15:19,223 --> 01:15:21,475 I don't know if my name is familiar to you at all. 1116 01:15:21,558 --> 01:15:23,661 It's familiar because I just got back from 1117 01:15:23,666 --> 01:15:25,604 vacation and listened to your message. 1118 01:15:25,687 --> 01:15:27,790 I do remember the case. I remembered it 1119 01:15:27,795 --> 01:15:29,900 as soon as I heard your brother's name. 1120 01:15:30,442 --> 01:15:34,279 You know, obviously, the Grand Jury, when presented with the evidence, 1121 01:15:34,363 --> 01:15:36,406 came back with a No True Bill on the case. 1122 01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:38,283 You know, there was a... 1123 01:15:40,494 --> 01:15:45,749 The Grand Jury pretty much looked at the case as... a self-defense case. 1124 01:15:45,832 --> 01:15:48,794 They felt it was a justifiable... shooting. 1125 01:15:49,753 --> 01:15:53,382 The way the Grand Jury went was supported by the facts and evidence. 1126 01:15:54,091 --> 01:15:58,595 Just, you know, I mean... and that's part of what made the case so hard. 1127 01:15:59,972 --> 01:16:02,015 But, I mean, this wasn't a thing 1128 01:16:02,099 --> 01:16:04,476 where I thought the Grand Jury went the wrong way. 1129 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,771 Because I had a number of different statements from people, 1130 01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:10,566 about incidents prior to this incident. 1131 01:16:11,233 --> 01:16:12,234 And... 1132 01:16:12,317 --> 01:16:15,696 [Yance] I mean, I know that there was one incident before... 1133 01:16:15,779 --> 01:16:17,322 the night that he was killed, 1134 01:16:17,406 --> 01:16:19,491 because he told me about it. 1135 01:16:19,575 --> 01:16:23,453 You know, he'd picked up a car door. He'd thrown a vacuum cleaner. 1136 01:16:23,537 --> 01:16:24,496 [James] Oh, yeah. 1137 01:16:24,580 --> 01:16:27,374 So I know that that incident occurred. I don't know... 1138 01:16:27,457 --> 01:16:30,002 Let me see if I can get a hold of any of my reports. 1139 01:16:30,085 --> 01:16:33,630 OK. Anything... Anything you could share with me would be really helpful. 1140 01:16:33,714 --> 01:16:36,300 -I can't promise. But if I can... -No, of course not. 1141 01:16:36,383 --> 01:16:38,552 I really appreciate it. Thank you very much. 1142 01:16:38,635 --> 01:16:42,139 -I'll talk to you within the next week. -OK, sounds good. Thank you. 1143 01:16:44,391 --> 01:16:45,892 [exhales] 1144 01:17:00,949 --> 01:17:03,952 [dialing on phone] 1145 01:17:09,916 --> 01:17:12,461 [ringing tone] 1146 01:17:19,468 --> 01:17:21,428 -[woman] Hey, there. -[Yance] Hey. 1147 01:17:21,511 --> 01:17:22,638 [woman] How's it going? 1148 01:17:23,013 --> 01:17:25,807 I just talked to Detective Hughes. 1149 01:17:26,433 --> 01:17:28,060 Oh, my goodness. 1150 01:17:28,769 --> 01:17:31,688 I need to talk. I just need to hear your voice for a few minutes. 1151 01:17:31,772 --> 01:17:33,815 I'm right here. I'm right here. 1152 01:17:33,899 --> 01:17:36,068 The fucking vacuum cleaner... 1153 01:17:36,818 --> 01:17:37,903 incident... 1154 01:17:37,986 --> 01:17:39,404 Oh, my God. 1155 01:17:40,197 --> 01:17:42,366 ...is why they didn't indict him. 1156 01:17:44,534 --> 01:17:45,744 [woman gasps] What? 1157 01:17:47,537 --> 01:17:51,041 Because he threw a vacuum cleaner. Because he picked up a car door. 1158 01:17:51,124 --> 01:17:55,629 And because apparently that's enough to justify reasonable fear. 1159 01:17:55,712 --> 01:17:57,756 What kind of investigation was this? 1160 01:18:00,550 --> 01:18:04,262 The fucking vacuum cleaner. Oh, my gosh, my love. 1161 01:18:04,930 --> 01:18:06,306 OK. 1162 01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:08,225 Wait. What else did he say? 1163 01:18:08,308 --> 01:18:10,644 Nothing. I just hung up the phone with him. 1164 01:18:10,727 --> 01:18:12,437 He's going to call me back next week. 1165 01:18:12,521 --> 01:18:14,856 -He's gonna call you back next week. OK. -Yeah. 1166 01:18:14,940 --> 01:18:16,983 Did you start crying on the phone or after? 1167 01:18:17,609 --> 01:18:20,153 After. I managed to keep myself together! 1168 01:18:21,238 --> 01:18:23,532 Deep breath. Take a deep breath. 1169 01:18:24,074 --> 01:18:25,075 Thank you. 1170 01:18:25,158 --> 01:18:28,036 -I'll be home soon, OK? -OK. Talk to you soon. Bye. 1171 01:18:31,540 --> 01:18:33,250 [inhales deep breath] 1172 01:18:40,090 --> 01:18:41,800 [Yance sobs quietly] 1173 01:18:42,551 --> 01:18:44,803 [high-pitched whining noise] 1174 01:18:51,852 --> 01:18:55,147 [screams] 1175 01:19:01,486 --> 01:19:04,489 [breathes deeply] 1176 01:19:13,790 --> 01:19:17,544 [high-pitched whining noise] 1177 01:19:24,676 --> 01:19:27,971 [noise fades to crickets chirping] 1178 01:19:29,556 --> 01:19:32,601 You know, I actually had hoped to not be in New York that weekend. 1179 01:19:32,684 --> 01:19:36,188 I had hoped to be in Chicago with a bunch of my friends. 1180 01:19:36,271 --> 01:19:39,608 But I couldn't get anyone to cover my shifts at the DA's office. 1181 01:19:40,317 --> 01:19:43,987 I didn't have any cash so I went to the local ATM, 1182 01:19:44,946 --> 01:19:46,948 and as I was doing the transaction, 1183 01:19:47,032 --> 01:19:49,075 I felt something at the back of my head. 1184 01:19:49,159 --> 01:19:52,162 And at first I actually thought it was one of my roommates, 1185 01:19:52,245 --> 01:19:54,956 maybe playing a joke or something like that. 1186 01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,209 I turned around and there was, you know, 1187 01:19:57,292 --> 01:19:59,461 a man standing there with a gun in his hand. 1188 01:20:00,962 --> 01:20:02,589 You know, very surreal. 1189 01:20:02,672 --> 01:20:06,593 You know, it's sort of... people describe... sort of slow motion. 1190 01:20:06,676 --> 01:20:09,638 And that's sort of what I, you know, went through at that point. 1191 01:20:09,721 --> 01:20:12,849 My, sort of, heart, at that point was in my throat. 1192 01:20:12,933 --> 01:20:16,937 You know, I could feel my sort of... constriction, in my throat. 1193 01:20:17,020 --> 01:20:19,689 And I basically made a break for the door, 1194 01:20:20,482 --> 01:20:24,110 you know, giving him the money, and then there was an explosion. 1195 01:20:25,403 --> 01:20:29,032 And, you know, I remember actually more the sound first, 1196 01:20:29,115 --> 01:20:31,535 and then this feeling, 1197 01:20:31,618 --> 01:20:35,956 like someone had just, you know... punched me in the kidney, right? 1198 01:20:36,039 --> 01:20:37,040 And... 1199 01:20:37,791 --> 01:20:39,626 And it was this huge disconnect. 1200 01:20:39,709 --> 01:20:42,337 It just... the explosion was one thing, 1201 01:20:42,420 --> 01:20:46,883 And then there was this feeling in my... like a really hard punch to the kidney. 1202 01:20:48,134 --> 01:20:50,262 And then it was suddenly this realization. 1203 01:20:50,345 --> 01:20:52,264 "Oh, my God, I've been... He shot me." 1204 01:20:52,347 --> 01:20:55,058 And I remember yelling out, like, "Oh my God, he shot me." 1205 01:20:56,309 --> 01:20:57,769 And then he was gone. 1206 01:20:57,853 --> 01:21:00,647 I remember thinking, "I'm not going to die here. Not today. 1207 01:21:00,730 --> 01:21:02,774 Not here on the streets of Brooklyn." 1208 01:21:02,858 --> 01:21:04,484 And... sorry. 1209 01:21:09,155 --> 01:21:12,659 So I put my hand behind my back, because I was like, "What is that?" 1210 01:21:12,742 --> 01:21:16,121 Like I was feeling, like... moisture. 1211 01:21:16,872 --> 01:21:20,542 And my hand was soaked in blood. 1212 01:21:22,794 --> 01:21:24,087 I'm dying. 1213 01:21:24,671 --> 01:21:26,214 So I... 1214 01:21:26,756 --> 01:21:28,717 I just need to get to a live person, 1215 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,469 someone I can talk to who's going to know what to do. 1216 01:21:31,553 --> 01:21:34,139 I knew the one place you always find people is the subway, 1217 01:21:34,222 --> 01:21:36,516 and also the token clerk, and... 1218 01:21:37,475 --> 01:21:40,854 So I actually had a badge, as a prosecutor, 1219 01:21:40,937 --> 01:21:44,566 and you know, I pulled out my badge and I said, "Help me, I've been shot." 1220 01:21:44,649 --> 01:21:48,153 And I sort of put it up against the window and... 1221 01:21:48,236 --> 01:21:51,823 She was like, "OK, alright," you know, "Hold on, honey. Hold on, honey." 1222 01:21:51,907 --> 01:21:55,493 And, you know, she quickly made a call on something and then she came out, 1223 01:21:55,577 --> 01:21:58,079 which, I found out later, is against all protocol. 1224 01:21:58,163 --> 01:21:59,331 But... 1225 01:22:00,165 --> 01:22:02,042 it was this moment of humanity. 1226 01:22:02,125 --> 01:22:03,293 She... 1227 01:22:06,922 --> 01:22:08,256 She just held me. 1228 01:22:08,340 --> 01:22:12,928 And... she encouraged me to sit down, and I was afraid to shut my eyes, 1229 01:22:13,011 --> 01:22:15,555 because if I fall asleep, I'm not going to wake up. 1230 01:22:17,474 --> 01:22:18,767 So... 1231 01:22:19,768 --> 01:22:20,894 Sorry. 1232 01:22:25,565 --> 01:22:28,360 They got me up. They got me into an ambulance. 1233 01:22:28,443 --> 01:22:30,462 I didn't realize that they shut down the 1234 01:22:30,467 --> 01:22:32,405 Brooklyn Bridge, to get me over there. 1235 01:22:32,989 --> 01:22:34,991 The other thing I had a vague memory of, 1236 01:22:35,075 --> 01:22:37,327 when I was still down in the subway... 1237 01:22:37,869 --> 01:22:39,913 These two guys coming up and one saying, 1238 01:22:39,996 --> 01:22:42,457 "Hey, man, what happened? Where did you go?" 1239 01:22:43,375 --> 01:22:47,545 You know. "We saw you, we saw you." Or, you know, "We couldn't find you." 1240 01:22:47,629 --> 01:22:50,465 And again, I found out later from the prosecutor 1241 01:22:50,548 --> 01:22:52,217 that one of them was your brother. 1242 01:22:52,926 --> 01:22:55,136 Or was your brother or his friend. 1243 01:22:56,012 --> 01:22:57,931 They apparently had seen part of it, 1244 01:22:58,014 --> 01:23:01,184 or had seen this... one of the guys running away. 1245 01:23:01,267 --> 01:23:04,062 And I guess one of them would chase after the guy, 1246 01:23:04,145 --> 01:23:05,897 and one of them went to try to find me. 1247 01:23:08,775 --> 01:23:11,361 Mr. Ford's testimony was basically, 1248 01:23:11,444 --> 01:23:15,073 the guy was running right down the middle of the street, and he ran after him. 1249 01:23:15,156 --> 01:23:18,076 The guy with the gun. And jumped on him, and caught him. 1250 01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:20,912 That's my remembrance of what had happened. 1251 01:23:21,454 --> 01:23:24,749 And I remember that we made an X right in the middle of the street, 1252 01:23:24,833 --> 01:23:27,252 on a picture, as to where that had happened. 1253 01:23:29,713 --> 01:23:31,673 I mean, he just, he reacted, 1254 01:23:31,756 --> 01:23:35,260 and I was trying to remember, was he in the service or something? 1255 01:23:35,343 --> 01:23:37,554 What gave him the training or ability 1256 01:23:37,637 --> 01:23:42,058 to handle himself in such a... effective way? 1257 01:23:42,142 --> 01:23:43,685 You know? Fearless. 1258 01:23:45,854 --> 01:23:49,524 It was a... it was a heroic act, I think. 1259 01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,408 [Yance, reading] "January 1st, 1992. It's a new year. 1260 01:23:58,491 --> 01:24:00,785 I'd said I was not going to make any resolutions, 1261 01:24:00,869 --> 01:24:04,247 but there are some goals that I would like to get accomplished. 1262 01:24:04,330 --> 01:24:07,751 One. By June 1st, I would like to be a corrections officer. 1263 01:24:07,834 --> 01:24:10,045 Or I will be back in school. 1264 01:24:10,128 --> 01:24:11,921 These are my only two options. 1265 01:24:12,005 --> 01:24:15,800 Two. This year, I want to stand and not falter. 1266 01:24:15,884 --> 01:24:19,512 I want to calm some of my fears. I want to feel peaceful. 1267 01:24:19,596 --> 01:24:22,223 This is the year for me to find me. 1268 01:24:22,307 --> 01:24:23,308 January 2nd. 1269 01:24:23,391 --> 01:24:27,270 It's only the second day of the year and already I'm feeling lonely. 1270 01:24:27,937 --> 01:24:32,108 I'm tired of every aspect of my life having an undecided feeling. 1271 01:24:32,734 --> 01:24:33,777 January 7th. 1272 01:24:33,860 --> 01:24:37,489 When I got home, there was a letter from the Department of Corrections, 1273 01:24:37,572 --> 01:24:40,784 telling me I have 30 days to come in for my weigh-in. 1274 01:24:41,826 --> 01:24:44,085 I'm on a two-day fast, and will be 1275 01:24:44,090 --> 01:24:46,998 back down to 245 by Wednesday. 1276 01:24:47,791 --> 01:24:50,835 I couldn't ask for a more powerful motivation. 1277 01:24:50,919 --> 01:24:52,837 40,000 dollars a year! 1278 01:24:52,921 --> 01:24:55,548 I've been trying to get this job for almost two years, 1279 01:24:55,632 --> 01:24:58,760 and now it all comes down to the next 28 days. 1280 01:24:58,843 --> 01:25:02,138 The only thing that I must remember is that there can be no failure. 1281 01:25:02,222 --> 01:25:03,848 There is no starting over. 1282 01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:07,143 This is the last chance I'm going to get, and I must take it. 1283 01:25:08,478 --> 01:25:10,897 January 9th. I'm at 241. 1284 01:25:10,980 --> 01:25:14,359 My next goal is to be at 230 by the 19th. 1285 01:25:14,442 --> 01:25:18,363 The goal after that is 225 by the 25th. 1286 01:25:18,446 --> 01:25:22,575 Then, if I am down to 220 by the 30th, 1287 01:25:22,659 --> 01:25:24,994 I will go in on the 31st. 1288 01:25:25,078 --> 01:25:28,790 And I still have two tricks up my sleeve that I've been holding in reserve: 1289 01:25:28,873 --> 01:25:31,459 Ex-Lax and Lasix. 1290 01:25:33,545 --> 01:25:34,963 January 28th. 1291 01:25:35,672 --> 01:25:37,924 The only problem is, I think I'm getting sick. 1292 01:25:38,508 --> 01:25:40,927 I'm feeling weaker than I have felt the whole time. 1293 01:25:41,469 --> 01:25:42,887 I have to hang on until Friday. 1294 01:25:42,971 --> 01:25:46,141 I don't care if I have to crawl into the place. I will not give up. 1295 01:25:47,142 --> 01:25:49,978 January 30th. The last day. 1296 01:25:50,061 --> 01:25:52,772 I do know that this is a chance to start over, 1297 01:25:52,856 --> 01:25:54,691 with a whole new everything. 1298 01:25:55,275 --> 01:25:56,985 It's not just a new job, 1299 01:25:57,610 --> 01:25:58,862 it's a new adventure. 1300 01:25:59,863 --> 01:26:02,282 Pull this off, and then you can... 1301 01:26:03,491 --> 01:26:06,786 actually make a small chunk of the world yours. 1302 01:26:08,246 --> 01:26:12,333 Pull this off, and you can actually make a small chunk of the world yours. 1303 01:26:12,417 --> 01:26:13,626 Just do it." 1304 01:26:24,095 --> 01:26:25,430 "Dear Candidate, 1305 01:26:26,014 --> 01:26:29,475 This is in reply to your appeal to the City Civil Service Commission 1306 01:26:29,559 --> 01:26:31,884 of your disqualification for appointment 1307 01:26:31,889 --> 01:26:34,314 to the above position, Correction Officer, 1308 01:26:34,397 --> 01:26:36,524 for medical reasons: weight. 1309 01:26:37,442 --> 01:26:40,195 The City Personnel Director has granted your appeal, 1310 01:26:40,278 --> 01:26:42,488 and you have been marked: qualified." 1311 01:26:44,324 --> 01:26:46,326 It's May 15th, 1312 01:26:46,409 --> 01:26:49,245 so he has been dead now... 1313 01:26:53,583 --> 01:26:55,376 He's been dead for six weeks. 1314 01:27:00,590 --> 01:27:01,716 But, hey, 1315 01:27:02,258 --> 01:27:03,927 he's medically qualified. 1316 01:27:08,306 --> 01:27:10,183 [phone rings] 1317 01:27:13,811 --> 01:27:14,854 [Barbara] Hello? 1318 01:27:15,396 --> 01:27:16,856 Hi! 1319 01:27:17,857 --> 01:27:20,193 Oh, I'm getting there. 1320 01:27:20,276 --> 01:27:22,695 I had my eyes done. 1321 01:27:23,363 --> 01:27:26,908 I certainly look as if I fought with Muhammad Ali, 1322 01:27:26,991 --> 01:27:29,869 he beat me up, went and had dinner, 1323 01:27:29,953 --> 01:27:33,206 and came back and punched me in the face some more! 1324 01:27:34,207 --> 01:27:36,376 [laughs] 1325 01:27:37,252 --> 01:27:39,295 The children are doing well. 1326 01:27:39,379 --> 01:27:41,256 They're not children anymore. 1327 01:27:41,798 --> 01:27:43,633 They tell me what to do. 1328 01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:47,762 But every now and then, you've got to put them back in place. 1329 01:27:48,346 --> 01:27:52,183 You've got to let them know that you're still the boss. 1330 01:27:53,059 --> 01:27:55,061 I'm still the boss, Yance. 1331 01:27:55,144 --> 01:27:56,729 [Yance] I always knew that. 1332 01:27:56,813 --> 01:27:58,147 [Barbara laughs] 1333 01:27:58,231 --> 01:27:59,816 [Barbara] Thank you for calling. 1334 01:27:59,899 --> 01:28:04,237 You brought bright rays of sunshine in my life. 1335 01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:10,076 What are you doing now? 1336 01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:13,705 I want to make sure that there's ice going down the side of your cheek. 1337 01:28:14,580 --> 01:28:16,207 Like, to this place, here. 1338 01:28:16,291 --> 01:28:17,458 OK. 1339 01:28:17,542 --> 01:28:20,253 And down the side of here, also. 1340 01:28:21,087 --> 01:28:24,299 You know, so that we get some ice on the corners. 1341 01:28:24,382 --> 01:28:29,220 So why don't you put a piece of tape from here, back there? 1342 01:28:29,304 --> 01:28:32,015 And if you need to take the earring out, you can. 1343 01:28:32,515 --> 01:28:35,018 [Hughes] From what I was able to put together... 1344 01:28:36,227 --> 01:28:39,188 ...there was a car accident on February 16th. 1345 01:28:39,272 --> 01:28:41,324 Apparently, it was with a Super Stang 1346 01:28:41,329 --> 01:28:43,109 vehicle, driven by Mark Reilly. 1347 01:28:43,192 --> 01:28:45,403 There was an agreement made at the scene 1348 01:28:45,486 --> 01:28:47,697 that Super Stang would fix the car. 1349 01:28:47,780 --> 01:28:50,074 Then time started to stretch out. 1350 01:28:50,158 --> 01:28:53,189 By March 19th, Lesline and your mom went 1351 01:28:53,194 --> 01:28:56,039 to the shop to see what was going on. 1352 01:28:56,122 --> 01:29:01,502 Mark Reilly may have said something that got your mom... your mom upset, 1353 01:29:01,586 --> 01:29:03,171 which got William upset. 1354 01:29:03,254 --> 01:29:06,090 And William went to the shop with Kevin Myers. 1355 01:29:06,174 --> 01:29:08,509 William was speaking to Thomas Datre. 1356 01:29:08,593 --> 01:29:10,970 Coincidentally, he's in the news now. Have you seen it? 1357 01:29:11,054 --> 01:29:11,888 [Yance] I have. 1358 01:29:11,971 --> 01:29:13,639 [Hughes] William was talking to Datre. 1359 01:29:13,723 --> 01:29:16,059 He was very angry because he'd upset his mother. 1360 01:29:16,142 --> 01:29:17,894 He was described as "shaking with anger." 1361 01:29:17,977 --> 01:29:20,313 Wanted to know who disrespected his mother. 1362 01:29:20,396 --> 01:29:23,649 He picked up a car door and was about to throw it, from a Corvette. 1363 01:29:23,733 --> 01:29:25,686 The girl who owned the Corvette was there 1364 01:29:25,691 --> 01:29:27,487 and stepped in. He put the door down. 1365 01:29:27,570 --> 01:29:30,448 At that time William picked up a vacuum, put it over his head. 1366 01:29:30,531 --> 01:29:33,201 The water kind of, like, fell out onto him, 1367 01:29:33,284 --> 01:29:35,828 and he threw the vacuum and broke it. 1368 01:29:35,912 --> 01:29:39,040 He picked up a hammer, and began... He came at Mark Reilly. 1369 01:29:39,123 --> 01:29:40,708 I guess he held him responsible, 1370 01:29:40,792 --> 01:29:43,961 because he may have been the one who disrespected your mom. 1371 01:29:44,045 --> 01:29:47,131 He never swung it at him, never hit him, he never threatened him. 1372 01:29:47,215 --> 01:29:49,342 -But he had the hammer in his hand. -Right. 1373 01:29:49,425 --> 01:29:50,551 Mark was petrified. 1374 01:29:50,635 --> 01:29:53,763 But other members there, they actually were kind of, like... 1375 01:29:54,305 --> 01:29:55,139 laughing at him. 1376 01:29:55,223 --> 01:29:57,308 And they were calling him a little girl. 1377 01:29:57,313 --> 01:29:59,227 I mean, he was obviously frightened. 1378 01:29:59,310 --> 01:30:01,813 Your brother was a big guy, and he was intimidated. 1379 01:30:02,522 --> 01:30:04,357 After that, William went home, 1380 01:30:04,440 --> 01:30:06,651 and your mom noticed that he was soaking wet. 1381 01:30:06,734 --> 01:30:08,986 Asked what happened, and he said 1382 01:30:09,070 --> 01:30:11,614 that he was... he was wet with sweat from the gym. 1383 01:30:12,281 --> 01:30:14,408 And I followed up on that. I went to the gym. 1384 01:30:14,492 --> 01:30:16,786 But your brother had not been at the gym that day. 1385 01:30:17,370 --> 01:30:21,582 I was there, the night of the... Corvette incident. 1386 01:30:22,542 --> 01:30:26,170 You know, William kept saying, "What do I have to do? 1387 01:30:26,254 --> 01:30:30,508 Why isn't my car being fixed? You got time to work on everything else." 1388 01:30:30,591 --> 01:30:33,511 And he's... kind of like this. And then he saw the Corvette. 1389 01:30:33,594 --> 01:30:37,306 I was like, "No, not the Corvette!" You know, kind of like that, you know. 1390 01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:38,724 And, 1391 01:30:39,433 --> 01:30:40,977 he never damaged the car. 1392 01:30:41,519 --> 01:30:45,231 And it wasn't a situation. Because there were guys laughing. 1393 01:30:45,314 --> 01:30:48,985 There were people, like... I don't want to use the word "egging him on," 1394 01:30:49,068 --> 01:30:50,278 but clowning with him. 1395 01:30:50,361 --> 01:30:53,990 We were laughing, and clowning, and... 1396 01:30:54,532 --> 01:30:58,119 I'd say there were ten to 15 people there. Scared of what? 1397 01:30:58,786 --> 01:31:00,619 [Hughes] The vehicle was subsequently 1398 01:31:00,624 --> 01:31:02,623 released to your... to your mom, I guess. 1399 01:31:02,707 --> 01:31:04,555 There was something about somebody 1400 01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:06,544 from the shop following the car home, 1401 01:31:07,086 --> 01:31:10,631 and as a result of that, on April 7th, 1402 01:31:10,715 --> 01:31:13,676 Kevin Myers, again with William, returned to Super Stang. 1403 01:31:13,759 --> 01:31:16,137 And William was yelling at Tom Datre, 1404 01:31:16,220 --> 01:31:19,557 and ultimately sees Mark, and goes after Mark. 1405 01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:23,895 Mark retreated into the paint room, where he grabbed a rifle. 1406 01:31:24,979 --> 01:31:27,398 Your brother walked into the paint room and approached, 1407 01:31:27,481 --> 01:31:29,901 made a comment about, "What are you gonna do with that?". 1408 01:31:29,984 --> 01:31:31,068 He came at him. 1409 01:31:31,152 --> 01:31:33,779 And Mark fired one shot. Hit him in the chest. 1410 01:31:34,322 --> 01:31:35,489 Right. 1411 01:31:36,365 --> 01:31:39,452 There was no stone left unturned in this, I can tell you that. 1412 01:31:39,535 --> 01:31:41,954 It's just... an unfortunate thing. 1413 01:31:42,038 --> 01:31:45,041 I mean, I certainly put every effort into this being, you know, 1414 01:31:45,124 --> 01:31:48,169 into this being covered 100 percent, 110 percent. 1415 01:31:55,051 --> 01:31:57,803 [Yance, reading] "April 1st, 1992. 1416 01:31:58,346 --> 01:32:00,890 Tomorrow, I have to go to court in downtown Brooklyn, 1417 01:32:00,973 --> 01:32:03,351 for my first day of testimony in the Breen case. 1418 01:32:04,352 --> 01:32:06,771 Mr. Boyar is expecting me by ten o'clock. 1419 01:32:07,563 --> 01:32:10,650 I need to pick up my suit from the dry cleaners before they close." 1420 01:32:11,567 --> 01:32:16,155 This is where William was on April 2nd: Kings County Court. 1421 01:32:16,906 --> 01:32:19,325 This is where William was, April 3rd: 1422 01:32:19,408 --> 01:32:21,744 testifying for the prosecution. 1423 01:32:22,370 --> 01:32:25,039 This is where William was on Monday, April 6th. 1424 01:32:25,748 --> 01:32:30,419 This is where William was on Tuesday, April 7th. 1425 01:32:31,087 --> 01:32:34,632 Kings County Court, testifying for the prosecution. 1426 01:32:36,842 --> 01:32:38,675 [Hughes] The vehicle was subsequently 1427 01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:40,680 released to your... to your mom, I guess. 1428 01:32:40,763 --> 01:32:42,470 There was something about somebody 1429 01:32:42,475 --> 01:32:44,308 from the shop following the car home, 1430 01:32:44,392 --> 01:32:46,477 and... as a result of that, 1431 01:32:47,019 --> 01:32:50,231 on April 7th, William returned to Super Stang. 1432 01:32:50,314 --> 01:32:53,359 And I think it was just, you know... 1433 01:32:53,442 --> 01:32:56,529 your brother was caught up in what had happened to your mom. 1434 01:32:57,780 --> 01:32:59,365 [Kevin] I get out. Ford gets out. 1435 01:32:59,448 --> 01:33:01,236 I remember him going into the yard and 1436 01:33:01,241 --> 01:33:02,994 somebody coming out of the shop door, 1437 01:33:03,077 --> 01:33:04,662 and meeting him in the yard. 1438 01:33:04,745 --> 01:33:07,581 Words started getting exchanged, and I said, "Oh, here we go." 1439 01:33:08,124 --> 01:33:11,669 William was arguing outside, in the yard, 1440 01:33:11,752 --> 01:33:14,630 with someone other than the kid who shot him at the time? 1441 01:33:14,714 --> 01:33:16,173 -Correct. -[Yance] OK. 1442 01:33:16,257 --> 01:33:20,386 So, the person he was arguing with was Tom Datre, Jr. 1443 01:33:20,469 --> 01:33:22,847 -He was sort of the owner of the shop? -Right. 1444 01:33:23,431 --> 01:33:26,851 And that the person who was in the back, with the rifle... 1445 01:33:27,435 --> 01:33:29,186 Excuse me. His name was Mark Reilly. 1446 01:33:29,270 --> 01:33:31,022 He was an employee of the shop. 1447 01:33:31,647 --> 01:33:32,481 Right. 1448 01:33:33,274 --> 01:33:37,778 I read that Datre Jr. had been, two years before that... 1449 01:33:38,696 --> 01:33:41,365 arrested for, essentially, 1450 01:33:41,449 --> 01:33:44,660 running a chop-shop out of the garage at his parents' house. 1451 01:33:45,411 --> 01:33:47,496 He recruited kids, 1452 01:33:47,580 --> 01:33:50,541 and paid them to steal cars. 1453 01:33:50,624 --> 01:33:54,462 And then he chopped up the cars, and sold... sold off the pieces. 1454 01:33:56,964 --> 01:33:58,799 What I'm trying to figure out is... 1455 01:34:00,593 --> 01:34:03,095 what happened, if anything? 1456 01:34:03,179 --> 01:34:08,476 What did William say, if anything, to Tom Datre Jr., 1457 01:34:08,559 --> 01:34:11,896 when they were in the yard, outside of the garage? 1458 01:34:12,938 --> 01:34:15,191 [Kevin] You know, he didn't make any threats. 1459 01:34:15,274 --> 01:34:17,360 He didn't say, "I'm gonna beat you up." 1460 01:34:17,443 --> 01:34:20,696 He says, "I got accepted to Police Academy and Corrections Academy. 1461 01:34:20,780 --> 01:34:23,449 When I become either one, I am telling you, 1462 01:34:23,532 --> 01:34:25,993 I'm going to get this place shut down." 1463 01:34:27,870 --> 01:34:30,122 Ford was serious about what he was saying, 1464 01:34:30,206 --> 01:34:33,793 but he wasn't doing anything... anything that night, 1465 01:34:34,627 --> 01:34:38,297 to provoke a fight, or to get shot. 1466 01:34:38,381 --> 01:34:42,218 It was a conversation. "I'm gonna do this, once I become a cop." 1467 01:34:42,301 --> 01:34:46,389 Then we started to walk away. That's when Mark walked out. 1468 01:34:46,931 --> 01:34:49,975 He didn't look surprised. He didn't look panicked. 1469 01:34:50,601 --> 01:34:53,854 He just glanced and made a U-turn, and went back into the garage. 1470 01:34:54,647 --> 01:34:57,483 That's when William looked at me and he just kind of went, 1471 01:34:58,025 --> 01:35:00,111 "That's the guy that cursed out my mother." 1472 01:35:00,194 --> 01:35:01,195 I was like... 1473 01:35:02,321 --> 01:35:05,950 William turned. He didn't say anything. He just turned and he walked. 1474 01:35:06,033 --> 01:35:08,494 And he got to the doorway. He made a left. 1475 01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:11,038 So then, we heard a pop. 1476 01:35:12,289 --> 01:35:17,545 There was no: "Stop! I'll shoot you! I'm scared!" 1477 01:35:18,087 --> 01:35:19,839 No scuffle, no fight. 1478 01:35:19,922 --> 01:35:22,133 William turned and was shot. 1479 01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:29,890 I don't understand the self-defense, because there were options. 1480 01:35:29,974 --> 01:35:31,845 There had to be a back door to the place. 1481 01:35:31,850 --> 01:35:33,227 He could have went that way. 1482 01:35:33,769 --> 01:35:36,272 I'm sure some door had a lock behind it. 1483 01:35:36,355 --> 01:35:38,732 Even when they say, "This happened a month ago," 1484 01:35:38,816 --> 01:35:40,794 or "He was afraid," or this and that... 1485 01:35:40,799 --> 01:35:42,653 OK, so a month ago, you were afraid. 1486 01:35:43,195 --> 01:35:45,239 If that even was the truth that night. 1487 01:35:46,907 --> 01:35:48,784 And after leaving... 1488 01:35:50,453 --> 01:35:51,996 the Grand Jury, 1489 01:35:53,747 --> 01:35:57,168 I kind of got in the car, and I kind of knew... what they were at. 1490 01:35:57,251 --> 01:35:59,211 I didn't know if it would work, 1491 01:35:59,295 --> 01:36:02,256 but I strongly felt 1492 01:36:02,339 --> 01:36:07,261 that everything was being made to present a case of... 1493 01:36:07,845 --> 01:36:11,265 "Mark was scared. He did what he did because he was scared." 1494 01:36:12,933 --> 01:36:15,436 [Yance, reading] "Gunshot wound of the right chest. 1495 01:36:15,519 --> 01:36:18,981 Hemorrhagic wound track, perforating right chest wall, 1496 01:36:19,064 --> 01:36:24,028 mediastinum, heart, left lung, and left chest wall. 1497 01:36:24,653 --> 01:36:28,908 Wound path: front to back, right to left and downward. 1498 01:36:29,492 --> 01:36:32,953 Deformed, non-jacketed, small caliber bullet recovered. 1499 01:36:33,496 --> 01:36:36,707 There is no evidence of gunpowder stippling or soot deposition 1500 01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:38,542 on the skin around the wound." 1501 01:36:39,418 --> 01:36:42,046 There is no evidence of close range firing. 1502 01:36:43,631 --> 01:36:47,301 How do you measure the distance of reasonable fear? 1503 01:36:52,806 --> 01:36:54,850 [Yance] What are the contours of fear? 1504 01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:00,189 What do your eyes tell you? 1505 01:37:00,814 --> 01:37:04,235 [soft, eerie music] 1506 01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:10,032 [Yance] Do you see my brother? 1507 01:37:16,580 --> 01:37:19,833 [music swells] 1508 01:37:19,917 --> 01:37:22,419 [Yance] Dredge the river and you will find him. 1509 01:37:24,838 --> 01:37:27,174 Or someone who could have been him. 1510 01:37:34,848 --> 01:37:36,892 So you tell me, 1511 01:37:37,434 --> 01:37:40,104 whose fear is reasonable? 1512 01:37:44,817 --> 01:37:47,903 [music fades] 1513 01:37:50,281 --> 01:37:51,782 [Yance, reading] "The body is cold, 1514 01:37:51,865 --> 01:37:55,494 and rigor is present and fixed to an equal degree in all extremities. 1515 01:37:56,370 --> 01:37:58,747 There is an earring hole in the left earlobe. 1516 01:37:59,456 --> 01:38:02,251 No tattoos or needle tracks are observed. 1517 01:38:02,793 --> 01:38:05,379 The irides are brown, the cornea are cloudy, 1518 01:38:05,462 --> 01:38:07,715 the conjunctivae are unremarkable. 1519 01:38:08,674 --> 01:38:10,593 The liver is unremarkable. 1520 01:38:11,552 --> 01:38:13,637 The kidneys are unremarkable. 1521 01:38:15,097 --> 01:38:16,473 The heart... 1522 01:38:16,557 --> 01:38:17,975 is unremarkable." 1523 01:38:25,649 --> 01:38:31,363 I looked at... the Grand Jury. 1524 01:38:32,197 --> 01:38:34,408 I looked around. 1525 01:38:34,491 --> 01:38:37,244 I saw who was paying attention. 1526 01:38:38,037 --> 01:38:38,912 OK? 1527 01:38:38,996 --> 01:38:43,000 How could you come to a viable decision, 1528 01:38:43,083 --> 01:38:45,210 if you're reading a magazine, 1529 01:38:45,294 --> 01:38:47,463 if you're doing a crossword puzzle, 1530 01:38:47,546 --> 01:38:49,673 if you're talking with somebody? 1531 01:38:50,215 --> 01:38:53,093 I think serving on a jury, 1532 01:38:53,177 --> 01:38:55,638 and particularly a Grand Jury, 1533 01:38:55,721 --> 01:38:59,558 is one of the greatest... privileges 1534 01:38:59,642 --> 01:39:02,519 of citizenship in this country. 1535 01:39:03,604 --> 01:39:07,149 And you shouldn't take it that way, 1536 01:39:07,691 --> 01:39:10,861 based on race, creed or color. 1537 01:39:11,403 --> 01:39:16,158 You should judge the content of the evidence presented. 1538 01:39:16,867 --> 01:39:20,996 My feelings were that they just didn't give a damn. 1539 01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:25,542 And if I die today, tomorrow or the next day, 1540 01:39:25,626 --> 01:39:29,088 I will die believing that they didn't care, 1541 01:39:29,171 --> 01:39:33,300 because my son was a young man of color. 1542 01:39:33,384 --> 01:39:36,762 I will always believe that. Always. 1543 01:39:36,845 --> 01:39:38,514 Until the day I die. 1544 01:39:42,685 --> 01:39:44,395 [bird chirps] 1545 01:39:49,942 --> 01:39:54,113 [Yance] It was election day and... four o'clock in the morning, 1546 01:39:54,863 --> 01:39:56,365 the phone rings. 1547 01:39:56,448 --> 01:40:00,953 I knew because of the time that something was wrong. 1548 01:40:05,416 --> 01:40:09,128 [breathing through tube] 1549 01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:15,008 [machine beeping] 1550 01:40:23,726 --> 01:40:27,146 [breathing continues] 1551 01:40:43,203 --> 01:40:46,790 [Yance] And there was this... one day, 1552 01:40:47,332 --> 01:40:49,418 before she was in a coma, 1553 01:40:51,420 --> 01:40:55,299 where I thought that she was trying to pull herself up in bed. 1554 01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:59,052 And I had given her my right hand, 1555 01:41:00,053 --> 01:41:01,764 to, you know... 1556 01:41:02,806 --> 01:41:06,810 I had offered my right hand, for her to grasp with her right hand. 1557 01:41:07,519 --> 01:41:10,439 And I thought she was trying to pull herself up. 1558 01:41:11,190 --> 01:41:13,609 And really she was trying to pull me toward her. 1559 01:41:14,777 --> 01:41:16,111 And... 1560 01:41:16,987 --> 01:41:19,698 it took me a good five minutes to realize that... 1561 01:41:20,365 --> 01:41:23,368 I was trying to make my mother more comfortable in bed, 1562 01:41:23,452 --> 01:41:25,954 and what she wanted was for me to hug her. 1563 01:41:40,427 --> 01:41:44,723 [soft, eerie music] 1564 01:42:07,955 --> 01:42:11,124 [music swells] 1565 01:42:22,761 --> 01:42:26,557 [music builds further] 1566 01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:42,239 [Yance] You stumble out of the garage and into the yard, 1567 01:42:42,781 --> 01:42:44,074 where you fall. 1568 01:42:47,870 --> 01:42:50,998 You lie on the ground, hole in your chest, 1569 01:42:51,540 --> 01:42:53,000 another in your lung. 1570 01:42:56,545 --> 01:43:00,549 You feel the pain and know you will never see your sisters again. 1571 01:43:01,091 --> 01:43:03,635 Your mother. Your father. 1572 01:43:05,762 --> 01:43:08,181 You wonder how your family will survive this. 1573 01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,477 You realize that you will not survive this. 1574 01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:19,192 You realize you starved yourself for 32 days, for nothing. 1575 01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:24,573 You lie on the ground, bullet through your heart. 1576 01:43:25,616 --> 01:43:28,952 You can't speak, and no one speaks to you. 1577 01:43:30,704 --> 01:43:33,014 You do not know your death may, in fact, 1578 01:43:33,019 --> 01:43:35,042 be the actual death of our family. 1579 01:43:36,460 --> 01:43:39,671 You do not know that we are silent in our grief, 1580 01:43:39,755 --> 01:43:41,381 even with one another. 1581 01:43:43,175 --> 01:43:45,928 You do not know your killer will say he had to shoot you. 1582 01:43:47,763 --> 01:43:51,183 You do not know your killer will make you out to be a monster. 1583 01:43:52,559 --> 01:43:54,770 Mark Reilly will make you out to be a monster, 1584 01:43:54,853 --> 01:43:56,438 and people will believe him. 1585 01:43:58,231 --> 01:44:00,651 You do not realize that there will be no trial. 1586 01:44:02,152 --> 01:44:05,155 You don't know that 23 white people will decide 1587 01:44:05,238 --> 01:44:07,616 no crime has even been committed. 1588 01:44:09,534 --> 01:44:12,120 You realize there may be no Heaven. 1589 01:44:14,039 --> 01:44:15,749 There may only be the ground. 1590 01:44:23,465 --> 01:44:26,551 [distant city noise] 1591 01:45:07,426 --> 01:45:10,053 [Ray Charles: "Let the Good Times Roll"] 1592 01:45:10,846 --> 01:45:12,389 Let's have some fun 1593 01:45:13,140 --> 01:45:16,935 You only live but once And when you're dead, you're done 1594 01:45:17,019 --> 01:45:19,271 So let the good times roll 1595 01:45:21,314 --> 01:45:23,817 I said, let the good times roll 1596 01:45:26,445 --> 01:45:29,031 I don't care if you're young or old 1597 01:45:29,114 --> 01:45:32,451 You ought to get together Let the good times roll 1598 01:45:35,996 --> 01:45:39,791 Don't sit there mumbling Talking trash 1599 01:45:40,751 --> 01:45:44,379 If you want to have a ball You've got to go out and spend some cash 1600 01:45:44,463 --> 01:45:47,424 And let the good times roll, now 1601 01:45:48,717 --> 01:45:50,761 I'm talking about the good times 1602 01:45:53,430 --> 01:45:56,266 Well, it makes no difference Whether you're young or old 1603 01:45:56,349 --> 01:46:00,062 All you've got to do is get together Let the good times roll 1604 01:46:03,231 --> 01:46:06,902 [brass solo] 1605 01:46:31,051 --> 01:46:34,930 Hey, you all, tell everybody Ray Charles is in town 1606 01:46:35,889 --> 01:46:39,810 I got a dollar and a quarter And I'm just ringing the clock 1607 01:46:40,352 --> 01:46:44,564 But don't let no female play me cheap 1608 01:46:44,648 --> 01:46:49,528 I've got 50 cents more Than I'm gonna keep 1609 01:46:49,611 --> 01:46:51,947 So let the good times roll 1610 01:46:54,116 --> 01:46:57,828 I tell you all I'm gonna let The good times roll now 1611 01:46:59,079 --> 01:47:02,082 Well, it don't make no difference If you're young or old 1612 01:47:02,165 --> 01:47:05,669 All you've got to do is get together Let the good times roll 1613 01:47:08,421 --> 01:47:12,968 Yeah, no matter whether Rainy weather 1614 01:47:13,510 --> 01:47:17,347 If you want to have a ball You got to get yourself together 1615 01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:20,725 Oh, get yourself under control 1616 01:47:22,269 --> 01:47:24,771 Let the good times roll 1616 01:47:25,305 --> 01:47:31,158