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♪♪

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-Good evening,
ladies and gentlemen.

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[ Laughter ]

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-Norman, that hat,
that chapeau you're wearing --

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Now, is that your favorite hat?

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You're known to wear hats.

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-In the world,
this is my favorite --

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not just my favorite hat --
This is my favorite garment.

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-Why do you wear that hat?

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-When I was writing
television shows,

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I picked my head,
and I lost all my hair.

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I had picked all my hair away.

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[ Both laugh ]

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-♪ Whippoorwills call ♪

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♪ Evening is nigh ♪

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-Do you sing, Norman?

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-I sing very well.

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-What's your favorite song?

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-♪ You see a smiling face,
fireplace ♪

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♪ A cozy room, Molly and me ♪

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-♪ Just Molly and me ♪

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-♪ And the baby makes three ♪

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-This is me?

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-♪ We're happy in my ♪

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♪ In my blue heaven ♪

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♪ Just Molly and me ♪

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♪ And the baby makes three ♪

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♪ We're so happy
in my blue heaven ♪

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♪ We're happy in my ♪

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-♪ My ♪

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-♪ Blue heaven ♪

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♪ We're happy in my ♪
-♪ In my ♪

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-♪ Blue heaven ♪

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-How about that?

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People think, you know,

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that, turning 90,
maybe you change,

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but it's everybody else
who changes.

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Suddenly, I'm extremely wise,

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and everybody's
asking me for advice,

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and I am sometimes applauded

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for walking across a room.

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But the sound and the fact of 90

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has got everybody believing

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I'm some kind
of special intelligence.

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♪♪

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But, I mean,

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I think about it now
as wondrous,

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what I got to experience.

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-You know what I like
about you, Archie?

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-What's that, Maude?

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-Nothing.

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-I have never been
in a situation in my life,

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however tragic,

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where I didn't see some comedy.

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-Norman Lear has changed
the face of television,

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and at least
120 million Americans

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watch Norman Lear shows
every week.

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-Oh, no, sir,
Master Jefferson,

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you done showed me the way!

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-Stop it!
Stop it!

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-Say "please."

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-We've gone
from straight comedy

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into something else,

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and that other thing is satire.

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And it's never been done
on television before.

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-I'm telling you that whites
should only dance with whites.

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You don't believe me,
look at the movies.

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-Do you have a quick answer
for the people

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who say the show
reinforces bigotry?

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-Yes, my quick answer is "no."

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-That's the quick answer?

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-I gravitate to subjects
that matter,

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the things
that people talk about,

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and I think
America has responded.

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I think human beings
are just a little foolish.

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That knits us all together.

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[ Applause ]

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Isn't it amazing?

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I've lived my life moment
to moment, day to day,

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and even though I appear 93,

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I never lost my childlike view
of the world.

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-Norman!

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-[ Laughs ] Hi.
-Oh! Hello, friend.

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-Oh, how are you guys?
-Hi.

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Are you ready for tonight?

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-God, I like you.

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-Take your time.

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Please think about this.
Make this --

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I need it to be long
but brief, heartfelt.

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[ Laughs ]

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[ Cheers and applause ]

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-He has been around
approximately forever.

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He is 92 years old.

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He has spent the last six
of those years

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writing his memoir.

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It is called "Even This,
I Get to Experience."

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Ladies and gentlemen,
Norman Lear.

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[ Cheers and applause ]
-Yo!

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-You guys know each other.

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There is
a mutual admiration society.

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-Do we know each other?
-Right?

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-Yes.

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-You have called
"All in the Family"

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the best show
on television, ever.

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-I think so.

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My son's name is Archie.
[ Laughs ]

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[ Laughter ]

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-You both talk a lot

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about where you came from,
about your upbringing.

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You talk a lot about your dad.

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Archie Bunker,
you have said,

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bears no small resemblance
to your dad.

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-Mm-hmm.
-True?

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-We're good to go.

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"When I was a boy," pickup one.

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-When I was a boy,

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I thought that if I could turn
a screw in my father's head

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just 1/16 of an inch one way
or the other,

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it might help him tell
the difference

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between right and wrong.

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♪♪

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My father was extremely outgoing
and affectionate,

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but the underside

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of his good nature
was not admirable.

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Herman Lear was a man
of supreme optimism.

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He went out into the jungle
each day with a shoeshine

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and a smile,

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pledging to come home,

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his fortune made, in 10 days

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to two weeks -- tops.

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My father was about
to take a plane to Tulsa.

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He was traveling on some kind
of business.

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"Monkey business,"
said my mother,

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who sensed the men
he had fallen in with

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were not to be trusted.

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"Herman, I don't like this,"
she told him,

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but Herman, as always,
knew better.

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"Jeanette," he screamed,

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the veins in his neck bulging,

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"Stifle!"

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And off he went.

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The next time I saw him,

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he had a hat
in front of his face,

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and he was manacled
to a detective,

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and they were coming down
the steps of the courthouse.

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Nobody explained to me.

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Nobody ever talked to me,
explained to me.

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My father simply went to jail.

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At 9, I was forced
to become an adult.

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But that kid
still existed inside me...

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well through my life,

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if not to this very minute.

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I asked my mother, years later,
"Where the hell were you?

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How come I have no memory
of you?"

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And, inevitably,

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the discussion
would end with, "Please!

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Oh, please!"

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I was shipped off to an uncle,
lived there for a while.

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Shipped off to another uncle,
lived there for a while.

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And I wind up
with my grandparents.

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But I had to pay my own way.

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♪♪

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-Hurry! Hurry!
Step this way!

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The strangest sights
on the island!

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It's just starting,
so hurry, hurry!

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Look them over.
The lady without a head!

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They're all inside!

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-I held three jobs
at Coney Island.

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I used to take photographs.

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I had a photo booth,
and we sold a lot of pictures.

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But I remember the, "Hey! Hey!

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You ought to be in pictures,
little lady."

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[ Laughs ]

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That was the spiel.

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I was obviously a striver.

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I needed to be a good provider,

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because that's
what my grandparents' generation

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admired the most,
is a good provider.

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Oh, I wanted to be that.

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[ Chorus vocalizing ]

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-When did you get your first
break in the business?

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-Not long after I was here.

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I was living with my wife
and my little girl

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in one little room behind
another home in Hollywood.

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And I had met a fellow
by the name of Ed Simmons,

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who was married
to a cousin of mine.

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And he wanted to be a writer,

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and our wives went
to a movie one evening,

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we were babysitting,

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and we wrote some material
together.

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They came home,

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and we went out
and sold it to --

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We sold this parody that we
had written for 25 bucks,

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but it was $25 like that,
you know, and for having fun,

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for having a good, good time
laughing and working.

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And then we decided
we would continue writing.

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[ Typewriter keys clacking ]

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-Touch,
and you can adjust fine-tuning

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to suit your taste at any time.

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-"The Colgate Comedy Hour,"

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starring Dean Martin
and Jerry Lewis.

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-Are you ready?

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-Ready.
-Ready.

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-It was the beginning
of television,

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and Ed Simmons and I
became the writers

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on "The Dean Martin/Jerry
Lewis Colgate Comedy Hour."

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-Dean and I -- well,
I especially -- love the crew.

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They've been so kind,
I pour my heart out to them

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because they're wonderful
to me --

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-I'm sorry. Is everything
all right in there?

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I'm sorry, Mr. Lewis,
but we seem to --

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-This is Mr. Lear,
one of our crew members, and --

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-Are we all right?
I'm sorry, Mr. Lewis.

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But something's gone wrong
in there. We're off the air.

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-We're off the air?!

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What do you mean,
"We're off the air"?

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Why are we always doing things
that aren't right?!

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-We're on!
We're on!

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-Here's one of our technicians

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that has been with us
for four years.

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Isn't that right, Norman?

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Get the mike boom
out of the way!

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-♪ Some people say a man
is made out of mud ♪

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♪ A poor man's made
out of muscle and blood ♪

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♪ Muscle and blood
and skin and bones ♪

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♪ A mind that's weak
and a back that's strong ♪

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♪ You load 16 tons,
and what do you get? ♪

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♪ Another day older
and deeper in debt ♪

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♪ St. Peter, don't you call me,
'cause I can't go ♪

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♪ I owe my soul
to the company store ♪

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-"The Ford Show."

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-You might call it
a comedy show.

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-The following is brought
to you in living color.

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-♪ I picked up my shovel,
and I walked to the mine ♪

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♪ I loaded 16 tons
of number-9 coal ♪

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♪ And the straw boss said,
"Well, bless my soul" ♪

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♪ You load 16 tons,
what do you get? ♪

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♪ Another day older
and deeper in debt ♪

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♪ St. Peter, don't you call me,
'cause I can't go ♪

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♪ I owe my soul
to the company store ♪

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-It's every tobacco company
in the business.

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[ Helicopter blades whirring ]

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-People were dying in Vietnam.

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[ Machine-gun fire ]

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Nixon was escalating the war.

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And we saw the demonstrations
outside the White House.

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We saw the demonstrations
on college campuses --

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the anti-war movement,

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but exclusively
on the evening news.

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You just didn't see that
in the distraction

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that passed
as prime-time television.

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-This is all taking place
in a period of time

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where we were at probably
our greatest change, socially.

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We were in the midst

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of a revolution
of talking about ideas.

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Mainstream television was one
of the last things to jump,

257
00:13:55,268 --> 00:14:01,306
and the first person to force it
over that hill was Norman.

258
00:14:01,408 --> 00:14:02,907
-You and your bloody wars.

259
00:14:03,009 --> 00:14:04,709
Eh?
You and your bloody wars.

260
00:14:04,811 --> 00:14:06,678
I mean, look at you.
Look at you!

261
00:14:06,780 --> 00:14:07,979
-If ever there was a time

262
00:14:08,081 --> 00:14:09,380
in history
of this bloody country

263
00:14:09,482 --> 00:14:11,482
when we needed a war, mate,
it's now --

264
00:14:11,585 --> 00:14:13,218
a war
to get rid of most of them.

265
00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:14,586
-You're mad!
You know that?

266
00:14:14,688 --> 00:14:15,854
-Mad?

267
00:14:15,956 --> 00:14:18,389
[ Indistinct arguing ]

268
00:14:18,491 --> 00:14:20,692
-I was living in England,

269
00:14:20,794 --> 00:14:24,896
and that's where I saw a show
called "Till Death Us Do Part."

270
00:14:24,998 --> 00:14:27,398
I sent a tape back to Norman,

271
00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:30,668
and I said,
"This'll blow your mind."

272
00:14:30,770 --> 00:14:32,270
And he was the one
that came up with the idea.

273
00:14:32,372 --> 00:14:34,839
He said, "Well,
why don't we do it in America?"

274
00:14:34,941 --> 00:14:37,175
I said, "Geez,
we get this on the air,

275
00:14:37,277 --> 00:14:39,010
it'll be a miracle."

276
00:14:39,112 --> 00:14:41,179
-The show
was about a father and son.

277
00:14:41,281 --> 00:14:44,682
The father was conservative.
The kid was progressive.

278
00:14:44,784 --> 00:14:45,950
And I thought, "Holy,

279
00:14:46,052 --> 00:14:48,186
how did I never think
about that?

280
00:14:48,288 --> 00:14:50,288
That's a terrific idea.

281
00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:52,790
I lived that with my father."

282
00:14:52,893 --> 00:14:56,527
So I went with that relationship

283
00:14:56,630 --> 00:15:00,865
and never had reason
to regret it.

284
00:15:02,802 --> 00:15:04,469
-Anything interesting
in the paper?

285
00:15:04,571 --> 00:15:08,773
-Yeah, 200 arrested at Vietnam
Day Peace Demonstration.

286
00:15:08,875 --> 00:15:10,642
200. They should have thrown
the whole bunch of them

287
00:15:10,744 --> 00:15:12,277
in the can.

288
00:15:12,379 --> 00:15:15,880
-Well, I think they just
don't like the idea of America

289
00:15:15,982 --> 00:15:19,150
fighting an illegal
and immoral war.

290
00:15:19,252 --> 00:15:23,388
-Well, if they don't like it,
they can lump it...

291
00:15:23,490 --> 00:15:26,457
take it down the road
and dump it.

292
00:15:29,095 --> 00:15:30,495
-What are you --
You're saying "America --

293
00:15:30,597 --> 00:15:32,163
love it or leave it?"
-That's right.

294
00:15:32,265 --> 00:15:34,465
'Cause this is America,
land that I love.

295
00:15:34,567 --> 00:15:36,334
-Well, I love it, too,
Mr. Bunker,

296
00:15:36,436 --> 00:15:38,436
and it's because I do, I protest
when I think things are wrong.

297
00:15:38,538 --> 00:15:41,472
-And stand beside her
and guide her...

298
00:15:41,574 --> 00:15:43,441
-The right of dissent
is the principle

299
00:15:43,543 --> 00:15:44,943
upon this country was based!

300
00:15:45,045 --> 00:15:46,477
-Through the night
with the light from above.

301
00:15:46,579 --> 00:15:48,579
-Listen to me.
It's in the Bill of Rights!

302
00:15:48,682 --> 00:15:53,251
-God bless America,
you dumb Polack!

303
00:15:53,353 --> 00:15:55,153
-You're prejudiced!
You're prejudiced!

304
00:15:55,255 --> 00:15:57,255
-My home, sweet home.

305
00:15:57,357 --> 00:15:58,523
-Not anymore!
I'm leaving!

306
00:15:58,625 --> 00:15:59,791
-♪ God bless America ♪

307
00:15:59,893 --> 00:16:02,093
-You're prejudiced!

308
00:16:02,195 --> 00:16:03,628
[ Door slams ]

309
00:16:03,730 --> 00:16:12,337
♪ My home, sweet home ♪

310
00:16:40,734 --> 00:16:42,967
♪♪

311
00:16:43,069 --> 00:16:44,902
-There's a reason Richard Nixon

312
00:16:45,005 --> 00:16:47,238
put Norman
on his enemies list.

313
00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:49,640
To be able
to talk about real life

314
00:16:49,743 --> 00:16:54,045
and real issues, forget
how controversial they are --

315
00:16:54,147 --> 00:16:56,247
They're real.

316
00:16:56,349 --> 00:16:59,650
That's what's so relevant.

317
00:16:59,753 --> 00:17:02,320
That stuff
didn't happen in sitcoms.

318
00:17:02,422 --> 00:17:04,355
-I mean, it was, you know,
as we used to say,

319
00:17:04,457 --> 00:17:06,224
it's too hip
for the room, you know?

320
00:17:06,326 --> 00:17:09,560
I mean, it was just too smart
and too different and too edgy,

321
00:17:09,662 --> 00:17:11,529
and, you know, we thought,
"Oh, goodbye, and good luck."

322
00:17:11,631 --> 00:17:13,898
And the fact is,
CBS was nervous about it.

323
00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,101
They put on a big disclaimer
saying, you know, essentially,

324
00:17:17,203 --> 00:17:20,571
"We don't have anything
to do with this show."

325
00:17:36,689 --> 00:17:40,224
-The headline is "'All
in the Family' introduces

326
00:17:40,326 --> 00:17:44,195
the world
to foul-mouthed Archie Bunker.

327
00:17:44,297 --> 00:17:46,297
CBS rolled the dice
last night

328
00:17:46,399 --> 00:17:50,101
with a new situation comedy,
'All in the Family,'

329
00:17:50,203 --> 00:17:52,103
which will either be
the biggest hit

330
00:17:52,205 --> 00:17:55,873
of the season
or the biggest bomb."

331
00:17:55,975 --> 00:17:57,308
So, here you go.

332
00:17:57,410 --> 00:17:59,744
That's what it says.

333
00:18:02,315 --> 00:18:06,150
Eight.
We did eight seasons.

334
00:18:06,252 --> 00:18:08,820
-You know something, Archie,
just because a guy is sensitive

335
00:18:08,922 --> 00:18:10,321
and he's an intellectual

336
00:18:10,423 --> 00:18:12,423
and he wears glasses,
you make him out a queer.

337
00:18:12,525 --> 00:18:15,726
-I never said a guy
who wears glasses is a queer.

338
00:18:15,829 --> 00:18:17,728
A guy who wears glasses
is a four-eyes.

339
00:18:17,831 --> 00:18:20,064
A guy who is a fag is a queer.

340
00:18:22,502 --> 00:18:25,069
-You know, you're right, Archie.
You're right.

341
00:18:25,171 --> 00:18:27,438
<i>The British are a bunch
of pansies --</i>

342
00:18:27,540 --> 00:18:29,307
pansies, fairies, and sissies.

343
00:18:29,409 --> 00:18:31,242
And the Japanese
are a race of midgets,

344
00:18:31,344 --> 00:18:33,678
the Irish are boozers,
the Mexicans are bandits --

345
00:18:33,780 --> 00:18:35,980
-And you Polacks are meatheads.

346
00:18:38,885 --> 00:18:40,985
-We promise we'll get to our
guest here in just a moment.

347
00:18:41,087 --> 00:18:42,753
Yes, ma'am.
You'll stand, please?

348
00:18:42,856 --> 00:18:44,989
-I raised four children,
got through them

349
00:18:45,091 --> 00:18:47,992
when sex was coming
into its own on television,

350
00:18:48,094 --> 00:18:50,294
and now I have
a 5-year-old granddaughter,

351
00:18:50,396 --> 00:18:51,829
after seeing
"All in the Family,"

352
00:18:51,931 --> 00:18:55,199
asked me to explain to her
what is a vasectomy.

353
00:18:55,301 --> 00:18:58,102
-Yeah.
Um, can I just...

354
00:18:58,204 --> 00:18:59,470
Uh, so?

355
00:18:59,572 --> 00:19:02,173
-So it's getting
a little difficult.

356
00:19:02,275 --> 00:19:05,309
-Yeah, but you're intimidated
by the question.

357
00:19:05,411 --> 00:19:06,644
-Yes, I am.

358
00:19:06,746 --> 00:19:08,779
-Okay, I'm not asking -- Huh?

359
00:19:08,882 --> 00:19:10,448
Well, hang on a minute.
Excuse me just a moment.

360
00:19:10,550 --> 00:19:12,350
Yeah. You want to stand, please?
-Absolutely.

361
00:19:12,452 --> 00:19:13,651
Why can't you explain it?

362
00:19:13,753 --> 00:19:15,353
What's wrong with a vasectomy?

363
00:19:15,455 --> 00:19:16,787
I mean --
-Oh, wait a minute.

364
00:19:16,890 --> 00:19:18,990
[ Applause ]

365
00:19:23,796 --> 00:19:25,563
-The way I look at it,
television

366
00:19:25,665 --> 00:19:29,834
can be broken into two parts,
B.N. and A.N. --

367
00:19:29,936 --> 00:19:32,236
before Norman and after Norman,
right?

368
00:19:32,338 --> 00:19:33,804
He's the most
influential producer

369
00:19:33,907 --> 00:19:35,740
in the history of television

370
00:19:35,842 --> 00:19:38,676
because of this gigantic change

371
00:19:38,778 --> 00:19:42,413
that happened when "All
in the Family" hit the air.

372
00:19:42,515 --> 00:19:47,818
-CBS News
presents "Look Up and Live."

373
00:19:47,921 --> 00:19:51,689
Today, "Laughter: Hurt or Heal?"

374
00:19:51,791 --> 00:19:54,091
-I have to say,
I have to feel

375
00:19:54,194 --> 00:19:55,860
that the laughter hurts,

376
00:19:55,962 --> 00:20:01,766
that the repetition
of these stereotype terms

377
00:20:01,868 --> 00:20:03,768
that we thought had died

378
00:20:03,870 --> 00:20:08,272
tends to be hurtful and harmful
to the public good.

379
00:20:08,374 --> 00:20:10,508
-Well, Mr. Lear?

380
00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:12,343
-I've heard all these epithets.

381
00:20:12,445 --> 00:20:14,845
If they had died,
where had they gone to?

382
00:20:14,948 --> 00:20:16,681
Do you really believe

383
00:20:16,783 --> 00:20:20,618
that "All in the Family"
resurrected them from death?

384
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,954
So, my mission is to entertain.

385
00:20:23,056 --> 00:20:27,725
I chose to entertain with
what I consider real people.

386
00:20:28,394 --> 00:20:30,661
♪♪

387
00:20:33,933 --> 00:20:37,468
-As everybody knows by now,
there's a television series

388
00:20:37,570 --> 00:20:39,604
on the air
about a lovable bigot.

389
00:20:39,706 --> 00:20:41,539
That's how they always refer
to this show and the character

390
00:20:41,641 --> 00:20:43,107
that my next guest plays.

391
00:20:43,209 --> 00:20:44,375
His name is Carroll O'Connor.

392
00:20:44,477 --> 00:20:46,711
Will you welcome
the Archie Bunker?

393
00:20:46,813 --> 00:20:48,779
[ Applause ]

394
00:20:53,219 --> 00:20:55,653
How do you do?
See what happened to me?

395
00:21:02,395 --> 00:21:03,861
-While you said "lovable bigot,"

396
00:21:03,963 --> 00:21:06,664
I don't know about
the lovable part of it.

397
00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:08,399
We're presenting
the story of a man

398
00:21:08,501 --> 00:21:12,303
who's basically
a pretty unhappy guy.

399
00:21:12,405 --> 00:21:15,339
You people may laugh
at him and enjoy him,

400
00:21:15,441 --> 00:21:17,742
but you mustn't.

401
00:21:17,844 --> 00:21:19,310
Look at Archie as a man

402
00:21:19,412 --> 00:21:23,981
who could be getting
a lot more out of his life

403
00:21:24,083 --> 00:21:26,717
if he didn't have
these burdens on him

404
00:21:26,819 --> 00:21:29,186
and these things
that have poisoned his life.

405
00:21:34,494 --> 00:21:36,994
-I loved theater.

406
00:21:37,096 --> 00:21:38,429
I was attracted to people

407
00:21:38,531 --> 00:21:41,499
who performed
before a live audience,

408
00:21:41,601 --> 00:21:45,069
and Carroll O'Connor
walked into a room,

409
00:21:45,171 --> 00:21:46,937
sat at a table,

410
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,006
we said our pleasantries.

411
00:21:49,108 --> 00:21:52,043
We didn't get off the first page
before I knew,

412
00:21:52,145 --> 00:21:55,346
my God, this was Archie Bunker.

413
00:21:57,984 --> 00:22:03,521
But Carroll
is an Irish Catholic liberal,

414
00:22:03,623 --> 00:22:07,191
and he was carrying this role
on his shoulders,

415
00:22:07,293 --> 00:22:09,126
in his body,

416
00:22:09,228 --> 00:22:11,729
in every piece of his being.

417
00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:15,700
So his responsibility...

418
00:22:15,802 --> 00:22:19,270
I mean, he had a lot riding
that I didn't have.

419
00:22:19,372 --> 00:22:21,572
I wasn't playing that character.

420
00:22:23,543 --> 00:22:26,711
And so I knew shortly into it

421
00:22:26,813 --> 00:22:31,949
that he would likely be unhappy
with the script every time.

422
00:22:34,687 --> 00:22:37,288
Carroll would challenge me
at the end of a reading --

423
00:22:37,390 --> 00:22:41,125
"This isn't gonna play.
This isn't gonna work."

424
00:22:41,227 --> 00:22:43,894
But there was
a particular episode

425
00:22:43,996 --> 00:22:47,365
where everything took place
in an elevator...

426
00:22:51,404 --> 00:22:55,473
...and a woman's gonna deliver a
child while they were inside it.

427
00:22:55,575 --> 00:22:58,576
-[ Moaning ]
-Shh.

428
00:22:58,678 --> 00:23:02,480
-Geez. I don't think
I can get through this.

429
00:23:02,582 --> 00:23:04,181
-He didn't think
that could happen.

430
00:23:04,283 --> 00:23:05,750
He wasn't gonna do it.

431
00:23:05,852 --> 00:23:08,018
I wasn't gonna do it
if he wasn't gonna do it.

432
00:23:08,121 --> 00:23:10,020
There was not gonna be a show.

433
00:23:10,123 --> 00:23:12,022
Oh, he had his lawyer,
his manager.

434
00:23:12,125 --> 00:23:14,959
Everybody that could
be involved was involved.

435
00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:16,861
-Carlos, Carlos.
-Sí, sí, sí, sí, sí.

436
00:23:16,963 --> 00:23:19,196
Okay.
-All right. Hold my hand.

437
00:23:19,298 --> 00:23:20,498
-I think it's the baby.
It's coming.

438
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,099
-Oh, no, no.
Listen.

439
00:23:22,201 --> 00:23:23,701
We're gonna be downstairs
in a couple of minutes.

440
00:23:23,803 --> 00:23:26,437
Now wait, wait!
Hold-o! Stop-o!

441
00:23:28,641 --> 00:23:32,209
-It was so, so crazy,
but, of course,

442
00:23:32,311 --> 00:23:35,613
the crying would take place
someplace below him.

443
00:23:35,715 --> 00:23:38,616
He would look out of the corner
of his eye,

444
00:23:38,718 --> 00:23:40,518
and the camera
would be on his face

445
00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:43,320
at the birth of that child,

446
00:23:43,423 --> 00:23:46,557
and it was gold.

447
00:23:46,659 --> 00:23:48,659
It was platinum.

448
00:23:48,761 --> 00:23:51,295
-Ain't it supposed to cry
or nothing?

449
00:23:53,399 --> 00:23:55,099
[ Baby crying ]

450
00:23:58,237 --> 00:23:59,937
That sounds kosher.

451
00:24:04,811 --> 00:24:06,610
-Come see my son.

452
00:24:15,455 --> 00:24:17,288
-You got a little boy.

453
00:24:25,865 --> 00:24:27,231
-What do you think
Carroll O'Connor

454
00:24:27,333 --> 00:24:29,834
is doing right now?

455
00:24:29,936 --> 00:24:32,937
You know, I can't help
but think about that.

456
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:35,272
Does he know this is going on?

457
00:24:35,374 --> 00:24:40,945
Does he know how -- oh, God --

458
00:24:41,047 --> 00:24:44,515
how much I think of him?

459
00:24:44,617 --> 00:24:48,385
-♪ Boy, the way
Glenn Miller played ♪

460
00:24:48,488 --> 00:24:52,256
-♪ Songs that made
the hit parade ♪

461
00:24:52,358 --> 00:24:56,026
-♪ Guys like us,
we had it made ♪

462
00:24:56,128 --> 00:25:00,598
♪ Those were the days ♪
-♪ Those were the days ♪

463
00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:04,134
♪ And you knew
who you were then ♪

464
00:25:04,237 --> 00:25:07,738
-♪ Girls were girls,
and men were men ♪

465
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:14,812
-♪ Mister, we could use a man
like Herbert Hoover again ♪

466
00:25:14,914 --> 00:25:18,282
-♪ Didn't need
no welfare state ♪

467
00:25:18,384 --> 00:25:21,652
-♪ Everybody pulled his weight ♪

468
00:25:21,754 --> 00:25:25,823
-♪ Gee, our old LaSalle
ran great ♪

469
00:25:25,925 --> 00:25:29,960
♪ Those were the days ♪
-♪ Those were the days ♪

470
00:25:30,062 --> 00:25:32,530
[ Applause ]

471
00:25:37,003 --> 00:25:38,669
-Are you wearing your hat
on the show?

472
00:25:38,771 --> 00:25:40,271
-I am. I am.
Oh, yeah.

473
00:25:40,373 --> 00:25:42,439
-So I won't do too much up here.
-Nothing up there.

474
00:25:42,542 --> 00:25:43,874
-Okay.

475
00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:49,613
I have to say,
I love all your shows.

476
00:25:49,715 --> 00:25:51,415
-Oh, thank you.

477
00:25:51,517 --> 00:25:54,251
I certainly love this one.

478
00:25:54,353 --> 00:25:57,187
-[ High-pitched voice ] ♪ And
they knew who you were then ♪

479
00:25:57,290 --> 00:25:59,523
[ Laughter ]

480
00:25:59,625 --> 00:26:01,592
[ Normal voice ] Come on.
You raised me.

481
00:26:01,694 --> 00:26:03,160
How are you, young man?

482
00:26:03,262 --> 00:26:04,628
Nice to see you.

483
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:06,931
-Tell me,
what would you like me to say?

484
00:26:07,033 --> 00:26:08,332
-You can talk about
whatever you want to talk about.

485
00:26:08,434 --> 00:26:09,934
You've earned it.

486
00:26:10,036 --> 00:26:11,368
It's just such a pleasure.
I can't even believe.

487
00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:13,504
You know,
I used to sit in my house.

488
00:26:13,606 --> 00:26:15,439
You know, back then,
there was nothing to watch.

489
00:26:15,541 --> 00:26:16,640
You know,
people didn't have DVR.

490
00:26:16,742 --> 00:26:18,108
They didn't have
any of that stuff.

491
00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:20,277
And when "All in the Family"
would come on,

492
00:26:20,379 --> 00:26:22,546
it was the greatest,
just the best.

493
00:26:22,648 --> 00:26:24,281
-I mean, that's the way

494
00:26:24,383 --> 00:26:26,350
we feel about
the Jon Stewart show.

495
00:26:26,452 --> 00:26:27,685
-This one?
-Yes!

496
00:26:27,787 --> 00:26:29,320
-So in some ways,
I'm raising you.

497
00:26:29,422 --> 00:26:31,555
-Yes.
Isn't that life?

498
00:26:31,657 --> 00:26:34,525
-Cycle of life, man.
Cycle of life.

499
00:26:34,627 --> 00:26:36,193
[ Cheers and applause ]

500
00:26:36,295 --> 00:26:41,165
Where I think I learned
how to process complex thoughts,

501
00:26:41,267 --> 00:26:44,335
things that I really cared about
through the lens of comedy,

502
00:26:44,437 --> 00:26:46,403
was watching Norman Lear shows.

503
00:26:46,505 --> 00:26:48,572
-What could make me prouder?

504
00:26:48,674 --> 00:26:50,140
We were all serious people.

505
00:26:50,242 --> 00:26:52,543
Comedy was our business,

506
00:26:52,645 --> 00:26:55,346
but there was something
on our minds.

507
00:26:57,249 --> 00:26:59,850
♪♪

508
00:27:11,497 --> 00:27:13,430
The news
that to be a Jew in America

509
00:27:13,532 --> 00:27:16,000
was to be different
had come to me

510
00:27:16,102 --> 00:27:18,669
shockingly
when I was 9 years old,

511
00:27:18,771 --> 00:27:21,372
just before they sent
my dad away.

512
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,453
-Re-creation 1-A, take one.

513
00:27:36,555 --> 00:27:37,855
A-mark.

514
00:27:40,192 --> 00:27:44,194
-When I was a kid,
I spent a lot of hours

515
00:27:44,296 --> 00:27:47,564
listening
to a crystal radio set.

516
00:27:49,735 --> 00:27:51,402
-All right, Jake, let's go.

517
00:27:51,504 --> 00:27:53,270
Two of you men come with us.

518
00:27:53,372 --> 00:27:56,707
-They might do something
to Uncle if we don't hurry.

519
00:27:56,809 --> 00:28:02,279
-And I'm alone
with this crystal set one night,

520
00:28:02,381 --> 00:28:05,049
and I hear a voice,

521
00:28:05,151 --> 00:28:09,420
a fellow who was known
as Father Coughlin.

522
00:28:09,522 --> 00:28:15,793
-I distinguish most carefully
between good Jews and bad Jews.

523
00:28:15,895 --> 00:28:19,063
In all countries,
Jews are in the minority,

524
00:28:19,165 --> 00:28:22,566
but a powerful minority
in their influence,

525
00:28:22,668 --> 00:28:25,569
a minority endowed
with an aggressiveness

526
00:28:25,671 --> 00:28:28,072
and initiative.

527
00:28:28,174 --> 00:28:30,474
This is attributable
to the fact that Jews,

528
00:28:30,576 --> 00:28:33,410
through their native ability,

529
00:28:33,512 --> 00:28:37,247
have risen to such high places
in radio and in press

530
00:28:37,349 --> 00:28:39,583
and in finance.

531
00:28:39,685 --> 00:28:45,489
Perhaps this persecution is only
the coincidental last straw

532
00:28:45,591 --> 00:28:49,626
which has broken the back
of this generation's patience.

533
00:28:50,863 --> 00:28:53,464
[ Cheers and applause ]

534
00:29:03,776 --> 00:29:05,175
-Ladies and gentlemen,

535
00:29:05,277 --> 00:29:07,177
you have just listened
to Father Coughlin

536
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:09,113
delivering one
of the outstanding addresses

537
00:29:09,215 --> 00:29:10,981
of this year.

538
00:29:11,083 --> 00:29:14,551
-[ Sighs ]

539
00:29:14,653 --> 00:29:16,420
God.

540
00:29:19,391 --> 00:29:22,793
How the...
did I understand that?

541
00:29:22,895 --> 00:29:26,630
But I did.
But I did.

542
00:29:26,732 --> 00:29:28,999
It just...

543
00:29:29,101 --> 00:29:31,001
It never left my mind.

544
00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:33,804
Never, ever, left my mind.

545
00:29:33,906 --> 00:29:35,305
[ Sirens wailing ]

546
00:29:47,486 --> 00:29:52,823
It was a Sunday morning,
I was at Emerson College,

547
00:29:52,925 --> 00:29:55,058
and somebody came scampering
down a fire escape

548
00:29:55,161 --> 00:29:58,695
to tell us that the Japanese
had bombed Pearl Harbor.

549
00:30:03,435 --> 00:30:06,270
You were automatically
excused from service

550
00:30:06,372 --> 00:30:11,241
if you were in college,
so I didn't have to,

551
00:30:11,343 --> 00:30:15,412
but I wanted to be known
as a Jew who served.

552
00:30:22,888 --> 00:30:25,422
I wanted to battle.
I wanted to bomb.

553
00:30:27,493 --> 00:30:29,326
I wanted to kill.

554
00:30:47,146 --> 00:30:49,680
♪♪

555
00:30:57,656 --> 00:31:01,191
I was the radio operator
on a B-17.

556
00:31:08,934 --> 00:31:10,968
I was closer to the bomb bays,

557
00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:14,071
so I would look down
to see them dropping

558
00:31:14,173 --> 00:31:17,307
and report to the pilot,

559
00:31:17,409 --> 00:31:20,110
and I remember still,
watching those bombs go down,

560
00:31:20,212 --> 00:31:22,512
hundreds of them, and think

561
00:31:22,615 --> 00:31:28,919
maybe the bomb
could miss the target

562
00:31:29,021 --> 00:31:32,155
and think, "I don't care."

563
00:31:32,258 --> 00:31:36,593
You know, "If it just killed,
I don't care."

564
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,201
-Well, look at us.

565
00:31:44,303 --> 00:31:46,403
[ Laughter ]

566
00:31:46,505 --> 00:31:48,138
Hi. [ Grunts ]

567
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,240
-Come and sit.
Come further into the house.

568
00:31:50,342 --> 00:31:52,075
-Further in.

569
00:31:52,177 --> 00:31:54,144
-It was right after the war,
but it was very kind of Carl.

570
00:31:54,246 --> 00:31:56,313
-You know that this is 61 years
ago you're talking about?

571
00:31:56,415 --> 00:31:58,348
-Yeah.
-You may be right.

572
00:31:58,450 --> 00:32:00,150
-You remind me,
getting out of the Army,

573
00:32:00,252 --> 00:32:02,252
first thing I ever saw you
in -- "Call Me Mister."

574
00:32:02,354 --> 00:32:03,754
-Yes, yes.

575
00:32:03,856 --> 00:32:06,156
-And I've been trying
to find the senator song.

576
00:32:06,258 --> 00:32:08,025
-♪ Nothing is too good
for the man ♪

577
00:32:08,127 --> 00:32:11,328
♪ Who fought for the man
who saved the day ♪

578
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:12,729
♪ Through the muck
and the mire ♪

579
00:32:12,831 --> 00:32:14,431
♪ Through the flack
and the fire ♪

580
00:32:14,533 --> 00:32:16,900
♪ The military magic
did its work ♪

581
00:32:17,002 --> 00:32:20,504
♪ From the foreign shore,
he is back once more ♪

582
00:32:20,606 --> 00:32:21,738
♪ Duddley-di-di, di-di ♪

583
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,040
♪ Still a jerk ♪

584
00:32:23,142 --> 00:32:24,841
-[ Laughs ]
I love it.

585
00:32:24,944 --> 00:32:26,176
Very good.

586
00:32:26,278 --> 00:32:28,011
You remind me of the Jews
in the mountains.

587
00:32:28,113 --> 00:32:30,347
You want a bit?
Do you want a bit?

588
00:32:30,449 --> 00:32:31,782
Jews came to the mountains

589
00:32:31,884 --> 00:32:33,884
to get out of the heat
of New York City,

590
00:32:33,986 --> 00:32:37,788
and a lot of them died.

591
00:32:37,890 --> 00:32:40,023
What killed them was,

592
00:32:40,125 --> 00:32:43,060
they all loved a song
called "Dancing in the Dark."

593
00:32:43,162 --> 00:32:44,761
-Everybody did.

594
00:32:44,863 --> 00:32:48,031
-And this is the only way
to sing "Dancing in the Dark."

595
00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:50,534
♪ Dancing in the dark ♪

596
00:32:50,636 --> 00:32:52,302
♪ Till the tune ends ♪

597
00:32:52,404 --> 00:32:54,604
♪ Waltzing in the dark ♪

598
00:32:54,707 --> 00:32:56,373
♪ Soon ends ♪

599
00:32:56,475 --> 00:33:00,243
♪ Dancing as we're dancing
in the dark ♪

600
00:33:00,346 --> 00:33:02,245
That's how high it goes.
-Yes.

601
00:33:02,348 --> 00:33:03,480
-Jews...

602
00:33:03,582 --> 00:33:05,482
♪ Dancing in the dark ♪

603
00:33:05,584 --> 00:33:08,385
Already trouble.
Already --

604
00:33:08,487 --> 00:33:10,320
♪ Till the tune ends ♪

605
00:33:10,422 --> 00:33:13,790
♪ We're waltzing in the dark ♪

606
00:33:13,892 --> 00:33:15,592
♪ And it soon ends ♪

607
00:33:15,694 --> 00:33:20,731
[ Loudly ] ♪ And we can face
the music together! ♪

608
00:33:20,833 --> 00:33:22,065
♪ Dancing in -- ♪

609
00:33:22,167 --> 00:33:24,334
-♪ Dancing in the dark ♪

610
00:33:24,436 --> 00:33:25,836
[ Camera shutter clicks ]

611
00:33:25,938 --> 00:33:28,171
-What are we doing here?
What are we doing here?

612
00:33:28,273 --> 00:33:30,173
-If you think about it, I mean,

613
00:33:30,275 --> 00:33:34,745
that group of people
was basically responsible

614
00:33:34,847 --> 00:33:37,781
for everything
that you laughed at

615
00:33:37,883 --> 00:33:41,351
in the second half
of the 20th century.

616
00:33:41,453 --> 00:33:42,853
They were friends.

617
00:33:42,955 --> 00:33:47,457
I mean, it was my mother
and father, Mel Brooks,

618
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:49,493
and Anne Bancroft,

619
00:33:49,595 --> 00:33:52,763
and Norman and Frances.

620
00:33:52,865 --> 00:33:54,765
♪♪

621
00:34:02,708 --> 00:34:06,610
-I know
that they met at a party,

622
00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:09,379
and there was chemistry.

623
00:34:09,481 --> 00:34:12,649
By the end of the evening,
my mother was with my father.

624
00:34:14,787 --> 00:34:17,320
-Frances and I
hit it off very quickly,

625
00:34:17,423 --> 00:34:21,625
and we hit it off in every way
very quickly.

626
00:34:21,727 --> 00:34:26,563
And it remained that.

627
00:34:26,665 --> 00:34:30,133
-My mother was a feminist

628
00:34:30,235 --> 00:34:33,570
who changed the lives
of many women,

629
00:34:33,672 --> 00:34:37,574
and they had a wonderful
intellectual connection

630
00:34:37,676 --> 00:34:40,877
and would talk
and talk and talk.

631
00:34:40,979 --> 00:34:41,978
-ERA!

632
00:34:42,081 --> 00:34:43,713
-When do we want it?
-Now!

633
00:34:43,816 --> 00:34:45,949
-What do we want?
-ERA!

634
00:34:46,051 --> 00:34:49,019
-Frances was very much
engaged in the women's movement,

635
00:34:49,121 --> 00:34:53,623
and I, as the father of three
daughters at that time, also.

636
00:34:53,725 --> 00:34:57,327
So we all became feminists.

637
00:34:58,964 --> 00:35:02,232
-Mrs. Naugatuck.
I would like a word with you.

638
00:35:02,334 --> 00:35:03,800
-In a moment, madam.

639
00:35:03,902 --> 00:35:05,402
Just when I've set
the chairs up.

640
00:35:05,504 --> 00:35:07,571
-My husband can take care
of that.

641
00:35:07,673 --> 00:35:11,374
-Oh, you can't let a man
do that, ma'am.

642
00:35:11,477 --> 00:35:14,111
That's woman's work!

643
00:35:17,516 --> 00:35:18,982
-Woman's work?

644
00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:25,822
Mrs. Naugatuck, in this house,

645
00:35:25,924 --> 00:35:28,658
there is no such thing
as woman's work

646
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,160
or man's work.

647
00:35:30,262 --> 00:35:32,996
There is no discrimination
between the sexes.

648
00:35:33,098 --> 00:35:35,031
That's what tonight's party
is all about.

649
00:35:35,134 --> 00:35:38,668
-Oh, blimey.
Another Vanessa Redgrave.

650
00:35:42,441 --> 00:35:46,042
-I prefer to think of myself
as a tall Jane Fonda.

651
00:35:50,549 --> 00:35:51,915
-People think that I am Maude.

652
00:35:52,017 --> 00:35:53,350
I'm not Maude.

653
00:35:53,452 --> 00:35:55,452
Bea Arthur is Maude.

654
00:35:55,554 --> 00:35:58,288
And because she and I
are both tall

655
00:35:58,390 --> 00:36:01,057
and dark and strong and Jewish,

656
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,859
many people think
that we're alike,

657
00:36:02,961 --> 00:36:08,698
and in some respects, Norman
has taken episodes in my life

658
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,701
and put them into episodes
on the screen for "Maude."

659
00:36:13,805 --> 00:36:17,374
-It was the height
of the women's movement.

660
00:36:17,476 --> 00:36:21,878
That's what fueled
the whole thing.

661
00:36:21,980 --> 00:36:24,147
So that's where "Maude"
took off, which was wonderful,

662
00:36:24,249 --> 00:36:29,419
because then we could tackle
any subject imaginable.

663
00:36:29,521 --> 00:36:31,821
-And can I trust you
to keep a secret?

664
00:36:31,924 --> 00:36:33,623
-What is it?

665
00:36:33,725 --> 00:36:34,958
-[ Breathes deeply ]

666
00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:38,161
Vivian...

667
00:36:38,263 --> 00:36:39,863
I'm pregnant.

668
00:36:51,610 --> 00:36:54,844
-You're kidding.

669
00:36:54,947 --> 00:36:57,247
-Vivian, at age 62,

670
00:36:57,349 --> 00:37:00,217
I'll be the mother
of an Eagle Scout!

671
00:37:02,187 --> 00:37:04,421
-Look, there's only one
sensible way out of this.

672
00:37:04,523 --> 00:37:05,822
You don't have to have the baby.

673
00:37:05,924 --> 00:37:07,691
It's legal now.
-You know, she's right.

674
00:37:07,793 --> 00:37:09,926
It's legal in New York State.
You better give that a thought.

675
00:37:10,028 --> 00:37:12,162
-I have given it a thought.

676
00:37:12,264 --> 00:37:13,430
Oh, I don't know.

677
00:37:13,532 --> 00:37:15,599
I don't know.
I just don't know!

678
00:37:15,701 --> 00:37:17,167
-And she left out a shot.
-She left out

679
00:37:17,269 --> 00:37:19,135
"That's what I admire most
about you."

680
00:37:19,238 --> 00:37:20,637
-Oh, no, no.
I don't mean for it to,

681
00:37:20,739 --> 00:37:23,373
but, I mean,
there's your beginning,

682
00:37:23,475 --> 00:37:24,874
and here's your finish.
-Oh.

683
00:37:24,977 --> 00:37:26,376
-I mean, that's where
you're falling apart.

684
00:37:26,478 --> 00:37:27,611
-Yeah. Okay.
-Let's try it.

685
00:37:27,713 --> 00:37:30,280
-Yeah.

686
00:37:30,382 --> 00:37:34,084
-The euphemism for censor
was "program practices."

687
00:37:36,121 --> 00:37:39,122
And the program practice
department

688
00:37:39,224 --> 00:37:41,658
simply didn't want
to deal with abortion.

689
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,793
[ Indistinct conversations ]

690
00:37:43,895 --> 00:37:49,032
From Friday to yesterday,
this thing has escalated.

691
00:37:49,134 --> 00:37:51,067
-Yeah.
Well, I just want...

692
00:37:51,169 --> 00:37:55,305
-But I understood intuitively

693
00:37:55,407 --> 00:37:58,942
that if I gave in
to this silliness...

694
00:38:01,413 --> 00:38:05,081
...I would lose battle after
battle after battle following.

695
00:38:06,151 --> 00:38:09,152
-What's your beef
against the networks?

696
00:38:09,254 --> 00:38:11,821
-I spend hour upon hour

697
00:38:11,923 --> 00:38:16,359
arguing with censors
about the tiniest things.

698
00:38:16,461 --> 00:38:18,328
The network
often takes the position

699
00:38:18,430 --> 00:38:20,196
that "Norman Lear

700
00:38:20,299 --> 00:38:22,232
and the others in
the creative community," I mean,

701
00:38:22,334 --> 00:38:23,667
"how can they do this?

702
00:38:23,769 --> 00:38:26,369
How can they bite the hand
that feeds them?"

703
00:38:26,471 --> 00:38:28,405
I consider
that the creative community

704
00:38:28,507 --> 00:38:30,240
are the hands that feed.

705
00:38:30,342 --> 00:38:33,043
-And they're biting your hand.
-And they're biting our hands.

706
00:38:36,448 --> 00:38:37,547
-Just tell me, Walter,

707
00:38:37,649 --> 00:38:41,251
that I'm doing
the right thing

708
00:38:41,353 --> 00:38:43,586
not having the baby.

709
00:38:46,358 --> 00:38:49,259
-For you, Maude, for me,

710
00:38:49,361 --> 00:38:52,429
and the privacy
of our own lives,

711
00:38:52,531 --> 00:38:54,497
you're doing the right thing.

712
00:38:57,569 --> 00:38:59,703
-I love you, Walter Findlay.

713
00:39:02,474 --> 00:39:04,908
[ Telephones ringing ]

714
00:39:05,010 --> 00:39:07,444
[ Busy signal ]
-If you'd like to make a call...

715
00:39:07,546 --> 00:39:10,113
-Your beloved, our beloved,
Beatrice Arthur!

716
00:39:10,215 --> 00:39:11,448
[ Cheers and applause ]

717
00:39:11,550 --> 00:39:13,116
-That episode of "Maude"

718
00:39:13,218 --> 00:39:19,589
got 17,000 letters
and 65 million viewers.

719
00:39:21,326 --> 00:39:25,128
And there wasn't a single state
that seceded from the Union.

720
00:39:25,230 --> 00:39:26,796
[ Applause ]

721
00:39:33,672 --> 00:39:35,905
-Thanks for coming
on our show, Mr. Lear.

722
00:39:36,007 --> 00:39:37,474
-Please, Bob, it's Norman.

723
00:39:37,576 --> 00:39:39,075
-No, no.
When I address the man

724
00:39:39,177 --> 00:39:42,479
who owns the industry
I work in, I say "mister."

725
00:39:42,581 --> 00:39:43,913
-Don't exaggerate, Bob.
Do you realize

726
00:39:44,015 --> 00:39:46,082
I don't have a single show
on this network?

727
00:39:46,184 --> 00:39:48,651
-Well, I think you're
a little too brave for NBC.

728
00:39:48,754 --> 00:39:50,019
They canceled "Flipper"

729
00:39:50,122 --> 00:39:52,722
because he refused
to wear swim trunks.

730
00:39:53,859 --> 00:39:55,825
♪♪

731
00:39:59,765 --> 00:40:04,200
-What was new was that
we were engaging in reality.

732
00:40:04,302 --> 00:40:06,936
They're ordinary subjects
in family life

733
00:40:07,038 --> 00:40:09,806
where they affect people,

734
00:40:09,908 --> 00:40:13,543
and abortion, I mean,

735
00:40:13,645 --> 00:40:17,380
there's much more
political correctness now

736
00:40:17,482 --> 00:40:20,617
than there was
when we were on a playing field

737
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,585
where we hadn't played before.

738
00:40:27,726 --> 00:40:30,360
Anyway, they're telling me
I got to run.

739
00:40:32,798 --> 00:40:34,297
-I'll let you know
when we're on air, sir.

740
00:40:34,399 --> 00:40:36,466
-Okay.
I'm happy to see you again.

741
00:40:36,568 --> 00:40:37,867
-Hi, Norman.
-Hey. How are you?

742
00:40:37,969 --> 00:40:40,804
-Good to see you.
-Good to see you.

743
00:40:40,906 --> 00:40:41,971
You all right?

744
00:40:42,073 --> 00:40:44,641
-This is a television camera.

745
00:40:44,743 --> 00:40:48,411
Here's Norman,
and here's Bea.

746
00:40:48,513 --> 00:40:51,481
Just think what Norman Lear
will be able to do with this.

747
00:40:51,583 --> 00:40:54,551
-Does it worry you, the kind
of spying that could go on?

748
00:40:54,653 --> 00:40:56,820
-Yes.
-The kind of lack of privacy

749
00:40:56,922 --> 00:40:58,488
that could come
from all of that?

750
00:40:58,590 --> 00:40:59,889
-It does bother me.

751
00:40:59,991 --> 00:41:01,491
-Now all of the eavesdropping...

752
00:41:01,593 --> 00:41:03,626
-Well, that's exactly
what he was talking about.

753
00:41:23,515 --> 00:41:27,183
-There is a tendency for people
when they get older

754
00:41:27,285 --> 00:41:29,686
to stop asking questions,

755
00:41:29,788 --> 00:41:31,955
and they're not
learning anymore.

756
00:41:32,057 --> 00:41:34,591
And Norman, I can guarantee you,

757
00:41:34,693 --> 00:41:38,094
the conversation will mostly be
him trying to ask questions.

758
00:41:38,196 --> 00:41:42,398
He's interested in people
and life,

759
00:41:42,501 --> 00:41:45,869
not just in telling stories,
but interested in humankind.

760
00:41:57,015 --> 00:41:59,449
♪♪

761
00:42:13,999 --> 00:42:16,799
-When I was
about 13, 14 years old,

762
00:42:16,902 --> 00:42:20,036
it cost a nickel to ride
all day on the subway.

763
00:42:24,576 --> 00:42:30,580
When the train slipped
into 125th Street Station,

764
00:42:30,682 --> 00:42:34,317
you could almost reach out
to touch the tenement windows.

765
00:42:38,223 --> 00:42:41,658
They were
largely black families,

766
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,960
and I related to it somehow.

767
00:42:46,231 --> 00:42:50,800
My bumper sticker reads
"just another version of you."

768
00:42:50,902 --> 00:42:52,335
And that is my belief.

769
00:42:52,437 --> 00:42:55,505
We are just versions
of each other.

770
00:42:57,709 --> 00:43:00,543
-214, take three, mark.
[ Clapboard clicks ]

771
00:43:00,645 --> 00:43:01,945
-♪ Good times ♪

772
00:43:02,047 --> 00:43:03,913
-♪ Any time you need a payment ♪

773
00:43:04,015 --> 00:43:05,114
-♪ Good times ♪

774
00:43:05,216 --> 00:43:07,283
-♪ Any time you need a friend ♪

775
00:43:07,385 --> 00:43:08,751
-♪ Good times ♪

776
00:43:08,853 --> 00:43:10,920
-♪ Any time
you're out from under ♪

777
00:43:11,022 --> 00:43:15,124
-♪ Ain't we lucky we got 'em ♪

778
00:43:15,226 --> 00:43:23,232
♪ Good times ♪

779
00:43:23,335 --> 00:43:24,934
-There weren't
any African-Americans

780
00:43:25,036 --> 00:43:29,572
on TV at that time to speak of,
with the exception of,

781
00:43:29,674 --> 00:43:31,140
well, "Amos 'n Andy."

782
00:43:31,242 --> 00:43:32,442
If I wanted to see someone

783
00:43:32,544 --> 00:43:33,943
that looked like me
on the screen,

784
00:43:34,045 --> 00:43:38,581
it was usually Sidney Poitier
in the movies.

785
00:43:38,683 --> 00:43:41,451
That was about it.

786
00:43:41,553 --> 00:43:43,019
-James!
Honey, what happened?

787
00:43:43,121 --> 00:43:44,087
Did you graduate?

788
00:43:44,189 --> 00:43:45,688
-Has a pig got knuckles?

789
00:43:45,790 --> 00:43:47,924
-Oh!
-[ Screaming ]

790
00:43:50,862 --> 00:43:52,095
-Well, this is supposed
to be a party!

791
00:43:52,197 --> 00:43:54,197
Let's get it on!
-Oh, James.

792
00:43:54,299 --> 00:43:56,265
It's beautiful.
-Ain't it?

793
00:43:56,368 --> 00:43:58,167
You are now looking
at a skilled laborer.

794
00:43:58,269 --> 00:44:00,670
No more busting my back
on the loading dock at Brady's.

795
00:44:00,772 --> 00:44:02,438
This means good pay, good jobs,

796
00:44:02,540 --> 00:44:04,874
and goodbye, 79-cent muscatel,

797
00:44:04,976 --> 00:44:07,010
and hello, $1.50 champagne!

798
00:44:07,112 --> 00:44:09,245
[ Cork pops ]

799
00:44:09,347 --> 00:44:11,481
[ "Ain't No Mountain
High Enough" plays ]

800
00:44:19,090 --> 00:44:22,625
-The vibe couldn't have been
better going into the show.

801
00:44:22,727 --> 00:44:24,394
Everybody
was enjoying themselves.

802
00:44:24,496 --> 00:44:26,629
Everybody was having
a great time.

803
00:44:29,501 --> 00:44:32,969
Then something changed
with the adult players...

804
00:44:33,071 --> 00:44:34,303
[ Music stops ]

805
00:44:34,406 --> 00:44:36,906
...because a sense
of responsibility

806
00:44:37,008 --> 00:44:41,310
to their audience,
to their race,

807
00:44:41,413 --> 00:44:43,746
descended on them.

808
00:44:43,848 --> 00:44:49,385
-Esther, in the first act,
you're the one

809
00:44:49,487 --> 00:44:51,454
who says to...

810
00:44:51,556 --> 00:44:54,857
to Thelma...
-Mm-hmm.

811
00:44:54,959 --> 00:44:57,627
-..."What's the matter with --
If you don't have

812
00:44:57,729 --> 00:44:59,295
the same interests, honey,
there's something wrong."

813
00:44:59,397 --> 00:45:00,963
I mean, in effect,
that's what you're saying.

814
00:45:01,066 --> 00:45:03,299
You recognize that they don't
have the same interests.

815
00:45:03,401 --> 00:45:05,535
-No, I'm saying
that it's not necessary

816
00:45:05,637 --> 00:45:07,737
to have the same interests.

817
00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:09,372
-Well, I don't follow.

818
00:45:09,474 --> 00:45:11,674
She's upset that she doesn't
have the same interests,

819
00:45:11,776 --> 00:45:13,676
so you say, "Okay."

820
00:45:13,778 --> 00:45:16,245
-There were lines
that were dropped on you

821
00:45:16,347 --> 00:45:20,183
that were meant for you to say

822
00:45:20,285 --> 00:45:24,220
because you were black.

823
00:45:24,322 --> 00:45:27,657
And I had to see
behind all of that foolishness

824
00:45:27,759 --> 00:45:31,194
and say, "No, no, no, no, no.
I can't say that."

825
00:45:31,296 --> 00:45:33,696
But yet, some of the things
I was saying in the beginning --

826
00:45:33,798 --> 00:45:35,331
-Yeah, but to do that
is to ignore completely

827
00:45:35,433 --> 00:45:36,666
what's happening.
-Right, right.

828
00:45:36,768 --> 00:45:38,234
-And it's...

829
00:45:38,336 --> 00:45:41,504
-Esther and I both
had assumed the responsibility

830
00:45:41,606 --> 00:45:45,842
of being the first
black family on TV,

831
00:45:45,944 --> 00:45:48,845
and I was worried
about what people would think.

832
00:45:48,947 --> 00:45:53,883
I didn't want to be seen
in a role

833
00:45:53,985 --> 00:45:56,419
that was gonna disparage
and denigrate a black family.

834
00:45:56,521 --> 00:45:58,354
I wasn't gonna do it.

835
00:45:58,456 --> 00:46:00,590
I wanted it to be right.

836
00:46:00,692 --> 00:46:06,062
-She's the fuse
that sets off Kid Dy-no-mite!

837
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,368
-Once he said "dy-no-mite,"

838
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:17,039
there would be a space
of maybe half a page,

839
00:46:17,142 --> 00:46:18,708
10, 15, 20 seconds,

840
00:46:18,810 --> 00:46:21,210
which can be an eternity
in television,

841
00:46:21,312 --> 00:46:23,813
where the writers
wouldn't have to write.

842
00:46:23,915 --> 00:46:27,216
"Just let him say 'dy-no-mite,'
and we can coast for a while."

843
00:46:27,318 --> 00:46:31,988
-Well, I don't know
about Kid Dy-no-mite!

844
00:46:32,090 --> 00:46:33,589
It grates on my nerves.

845
00:46:33,691 --> 00:46:35,892
I couldn't stand it.

846
00:46:35,994 --> 00:46:41,330
To make him the most
popular black in America,

847
00:46:41,432 --> 00:46:44,967
in these United States, was...

848
00:46:45,069 --> 00:46:47,637
a way of putting us all down.

849
00:46:47,739 --> 00:46:49,806
-Greetings
from The Chicken Shack!

850
00:46:58,049 --> 00:47:03,686
-I insist
that you can have comedy

851
00:47:03,788 --> 00:47:07,290
without buffoonery.

852
00:47:07,392 --> 00:47:10,159
[ Indistinct conversations ]

853
00:47:10,261 --> 00:47:12,261
-Oh.

854
00:47:12,363 --> 00:47:15,164
-Okay.

855
00:47:15,266 --> 00:47:16,499
-Oh.

856
00:47:16,601 --> 00:47:18,701
-John ain't here.
-Why?

857
00:47:18,803 --> 00:47:20,469
-He's sick,
but he'll be in tomorrow.

858
00:47:20,572 --> 00:47:22,772
So we have a guy
who's been standing in.

859
00:47:22,874 --> 00:47:24,473
What's his name?

860
00:47:24,576 --> 00:47:30,146
-We had to do the show
for 26 weeks,

861
00:47:30,248 --> 00:47:34,016
and it had to be good.

862
00:47:34,118 --> 00:47:36,352
But we couldn't deal
with this reaction

863
00:47:36,454 --> 00:47:41,791
of actors being upset
with the script all the time.

864
00:47:41,893 --> 00:47:44,126
It was extraneous
to the needs of a show

865
00:47:44,229 --> 00:47:47,563
that had to be done every week.

866
00:47:47,665 --> 00:47:50,466
-Thelma?
Where's Thelma?

867
00:47:50,568 --> 00:47:55,304
-And so I sat everybody down
and said,

868
00:47:55,406 --> 00:48:00,376
"These are decisions
I'm gonna have to make.

869
00:48:00,478 --> 00:48:02,879
I'm not black,

870
00:48:02,981 --> 00:48:04,914
but I am a father,
I am an uncle,

871
00:48:05,016 --> 00:48:06,482
I am a brother, I'm a son.

872
00:48:06,584 --> 00:48:11,220
I'm all of those male things
that John is,

873
00:48:11,322 --> 00:48:14,390
and I don't think
there's any difference.

874
00:48:14,492 --> 00:48:17,994
You guys know the language,

875
00:48:18,096 --> 00:48:20,496
the behavior, the...

876
00:48:20,598 --> 00:48:23,966
But we share the same feelings.

877
00:48:26,938 --> 00:48:32,008
-He said, "John, don't take this
quite so seriously."

878
00:48:32,110 --> 00:48:34,844
He said,
"You've got a wonderful role.

879
00:48:34,946 --> 00:48:37,179
Enjoy it."

880
00:48:37,282 --> 00:48:40,850
But I was taking it extremely
personally, to the point

881
00:48:40,952 --> 00:48:42,885
that the writers
got tired of their lives

882
00:48:42,987 --> 00:48:46,956
being threatened over jokes
and scriptand punch lines.

883
00:48:47,058 --> 00:48:50,559
My thing was, take the crap
out, or let's fight.

884
00:48:50,662 --> 00:48:52,828
♪♪

885
00:49:15,687 --> 00:49:17,086
[ Knocking ]

886
00:49:17,188 --> 00:49:18,154
[ Tape rewinding ]

887
00:49:18,256 --> 00:49:21,624
-♪ Revolution has come ♪

888
00:49:21,726 --> 00:49:24,393
♪ Time to pick up the guns ♪

889
00:49:24,495 --> 00:49:27,396
-One day, three members
of the Black Panthers

890
00:49:27,498 --> 00:49:30,466
stormed into my offices at CBS,

891
00:49:30,568 --> 00:49:34,603
saying they'd "come
to see the garbage man."

892
00:49:37,342 --> 00:49:39,976
"Good Times" was garbage,
they said,

893
00:49:40,078 --> 00:49:42,945
and on they ranted.

894
00:49:43,047 --> 00:49:45,147
Shows nothing
but a white man's version

895
00:49:45,249 --> 00:49:46,749
of a black family.

896
00:49:46,851 --> 00:49:48,317
-Who you supposed to be?

897
00:49:48,419 --> 00:49:51,587
-I'm Michael, J.J.'s brother.

898
00:49:51,689 --> 00:49:54,256
-The character of J.J.
is a put-down.

899
00:49:54,359 --> 00:49:56,292
Every time you see a black man
on the tube,

900
00:49:56,394 --> 00:49:59,028
he is dirt poor,
wears...clothes,

901
00:49:59,130 --> 00:50:01,364
can't afford nothing.

902
00:50:01,466 --> 00:50:06,635
We got black men in America
doing better than most whites.

903
00:50:06,738 --> 00:50:08,604
-Get yourself together, blood.

904
00:50:08,706 --> 00:50:10,206
We got to move.

905
00:50:10,308 --> 00:50:11,507
-I said, "Hold on,
hold on, hold on.

906
00:50:11,609 --> 00:50:13,876
Okay, let's talk."

907
00:50:13,978 --> 00:50:17,046
And that may have had as much
to do as anything else

908
00:50:17,148 --> 00:50:20,783
with the, "Why don't we
make 'The Jeffersons'?"

909
00:50:20,885 --> 00:50:23,652
-♪ Fish don't fry
in the kitchen ♪

910
00:50:23,755 --> 00:50:26,322
♪ Beans don't burn
on the grill ♪

911
00:50:26,424 --> 00:50:28,958
♪ Took a whole lot of trying ♪

912
00:50:29,060 --> 00:50:31,560
♪ Just to get up that hill ♪

913
00:50:31,662 --> 00:50:34,063
♪ As long as we live,
it's you and me, baby ♪

914
00:50:34,165 --> 00:50:35,865
♪ There ain't
nothing wrong with that ♪

915
00:50:35,967 --> 00:50:37,400
♪ Well, we're moving on up ♪

916
00:50:37,502 --> 00:50:39,001
-I wanted to get off my chin,
but whatever.

917
00:50:39,103 --> 00:50:40,736
-♪ To the East Side ♪
-♪ Moving on up ♪

918
00:50:40,838 --> 00:50:42,238
-Cream.

919
00:50:42,340 --> 00:50:50,012
♪ We finally got
a piece of the pie ♪

920
00:50:50,114 --> 00:50:51,547
-"Good Times" was,
you know, it was cool.

921
00:50:51,649 --> 00:50:55,151
I mean, it was an insight
into a loving family.

922
00:50:55,253 --> 00:50:59,488
You get to like them,
get to speak like them.

923
00:50:59,590 --> 00:51:01,490
"Good Times"
was for white people.

924
00:51:01,592 --> 00:51:04,994
For white people
to get to know them

925
00:51:05,096 --> 00:51:06,829
and maybe sympathize with them,

926
00:51:06,931 --> 00:51:08,998
maybe love them,
maybe see them in the street

927
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:11,033
and want to talk to them.

928
00:51:11,135 --> 00:51:14,070
"The Jeffersons"
was for black people.

929
00:51:14,172 --> 00:51:18,841
Aspirational,
angry to some degree --

930
00:51:18,943 --> 00:51:20,876
"The Jeffersons"
represented the American Dream

931
00:51:20,978 --> 00:51:22,711
for black people.

932
00:51:22,814 --> 00:51:24,346
-Oh, hi.
-Hi.

933
00:51:24,449 --> 00:51:27,049
-Uh, George,
this is Diane Stockwell.

934
00:51:27,151 --> 00:51:29,518
Diane, this is my husband,
George.

935
00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:31,220
-Do both of y'all live here?
-Uh-huh.

936
00:51:31,322 --> 00:51:32,955
Some place, ain't it?
-Yeah.

937
00:51:33,057 --> 00:51:35,524
I didn't know
the Jeffersons had a couple.

938
00:51:35,626 --> 00:51:37,393
-A couple of what?

939
00:51:39,797 --> 00:51:41,797
-A maid and a butler.
You two.

940
00:51:41,899 --> 00:51:42,865
-Butler?
-What?

941
00:51:42,967 --> 00:51:45,367
-Yeah, they must be real rich.

942
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:46,602
-Hold it, Diane.

943
00:51:46,704 --> 00:51:48,571
<i>We are the Jeffersons.</i>

944
00:51:48,673 --> 00:51:50,072
-[ Coughing ]

945
00:51:50,174 --> 00:51:52,308
[ Laughs ]

946
00:51:52,410 --> 00:51:56,178
-You're right, Louise --
He's a great joker.

947
00:51:58,382 --> 00:52:00,583
-I don't remember the first time
I saw George Jefferson,

948
00:52:00,685 --> 00:52:03,085
but I do know
what I got from him.

949
00:52:03,187 --> 00:52:04,987
He taught me how to walk.

950
00:52:05,089 --> 00:52:07,089
George would poke his chest out,
let you know --

951
00:52:07,191 --> 00:52:10,259
"I ain't no punk,
and I'm as good as you."

952
00:52:10,361 --> 00:52:11,760
It wasn't even necessarily
out of anger

953
00:52:11,863 --> 00:52:14,230
as much as it was,
"This is real.

954
00:52:14,332 --> 00:52:16,999
Are you blind?"

955
00:52:17,101 --> 00:52:20,536
-George, why do we have
to fight so much?

956
00:52:20,638 --> 00:52:21,871
If we have a problem,

957
00:52:21,973 --> 00:52:23,672
why can't we just
talk it through

958
00:52:23,774 --> 00:52:26,208
like Tom and Helen?
They don't fight.

959
00:52:26,310 --> 00:52:27,743
-They don't fight
'cause they're scared to fight.

960
00:52:27,845 --> 00:52:29,245
-What's that supposed to mean?

961
00:52:29,347 --> 00:52:30,913
-You know damn well
what it means.

962
00:52:31,015 --> 00:52:33,082
If you two ever really
started going at one another,

963
00:52:33,184 --> 00:52:35,284
inside of five minutes,
he'd be calling you ...

964
00:52:35,386 --> 00:52:36,385
-Don't say it.
-nigger.

965
00:52:36,487 --> 00:52:37,853
-He said it.

966
00:52:51,969 --> 00:52:53,602
-It was so progressive then.

967
00:52:53,704 --> 00:52:59,508
It was such a smart, insightful,
and important dialogue.

968
00:52:59,610 --> 00:53:02,845
And Norman Lear was part
of the healing

969
00:53:02,947 --> 00:53:04,813
in what he gave us.

970
00:53:28,773 --> 00:53:30,806
-As a producer
of television shows,

971
00:53:30,908 --> 00:53:33,742
I and my fellow producers
are constantly testing

972
00:53:33,844 --> 00:53:36,579
and experimenting
with new concepts.

973
00:53:36,681 --> 00:53:37,646
-Hello, Norman.

974
00:53:37,748 --> 00:53:40,082
-Ah, Weiskopf.

975
00:53:40,184 --> 00:53:43,319
Tell me, sir...

976
00:53:43,421 --> 00:53:45,688
what is new with the new series?

977
00:53:45,790 --> 00:53:48,591
-The father
is a union organizer.

978
00:53:48,693 --> 00:53:49,825
-A union organizer.

979
00:53:49,927 --> 00:53:51,660
-The mother is his boss,

980
00:53:51,762 --> 00:53:53,529
the president
of a large steel company.

981
00:53:53,631 --> 00:53:55,064
-Mm.
-But the father is proud,

982
00:53:55,166 --> 00:53:56,832
and they live on his money.
-Mm-hmm.

983
00:53:56,934 --> 00:54:00,236
-Now, the daughter is a nun,

984
00:54:00,338 --> 00:54:04,073
and their son
is a gay state trooper.

985
00:54:06,310 --> 00:54:08,244
♪♪

986
00:54:13,384 --> 00:54:16,452
-Norman is a hell of a salesman,

987
00:54:16,554 --> 00:54:19,888
and when he's got
that selling light on,

988
00:54:19,991 --> 00:54:21,724
he's hard to say "no" to.

989
00:54:21,826 --> 00:54:25,327
And, of course,
he's a fountain of ideas.

990
00:54:27,465 --> 00:54:31,100
-See that glow?
-What glow?

991
00:54:31,202 --> 00:54:33,202
Do you mean the waxy
yellow buildup?

992
00:54:33,304 --> 00:54:35,037
-What do you mean?

993
00:54:37,475 --> 00:54:40,643
It is a little yellow, isn't it?

994
00:54:40,745 --> 00:54:43,012
♪♪

995
00:54:43,114 --> 00:54:47,483
-Norman was enjoying
a hell of a run.

996
00:54:47,585 --> 00:54:52,221
At one point, he had 6
of the top 10 shows on the air.

997
00:54:54,759 --> 00:54:56,258
It was a house of hits.

998
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,128
I mean, he's irrepressible.
He's unstoppable.

999
00:54:59,230 --> 00:55:01,363
-Well, I want
to congratulate Norman Lear.

1000
00:55:01,465 --> 00:55:03,532
I understand that he just
sold his acceptance speech

1001
00:55:03,634 --> 00:55:04,767
as a new series.

1002
00:55:04,869 --> 00:55:06,468
[ Laughter ]

1003
00:55:11,175 --> 00:55:13,342
-"Mary Hartman,"
"All in the Family,"

1004
00:55:13,444 --> 00:55:17,246
"The Jeffersons,"
"Maude," "Good Times."

1005
00:55:17,348 --> 00:55:20,349
Some people are saying
Lear is doing too much,

1006
00:55:20,451 --> 00:55:23,185
he's spreading
himself too thin.

1007
00:55:23,287 --> 00:55:26,255
Why so much?

1008
00:55:26,357 --> 00:55:28,157
-Why so much?

1009
00:55:32,697 --> 00:55:33,962
-Action.

1010
00:55:34,065 --> 00:55:37,299
-Fella,
you're 10 times the man I was.

1011
00:55:37,401 --> 00:55:39,768
[ Laughter, applause ]

1012
00:55:39,870 --> 00:55:42,705
-Once more for the boss.
-Oh, geez.

1013
00:55:42,807 --> 00:55:44,073
-Hey!
-Hello!

1014
00:55:44,175 --> 00:55:46,375
-Boy, Norman's always
in here, man.

1015
00:55:46,477 --> 00:55:48,043
-Okay.
-Okay, cast.

1016
00:55:48,145 --> 00:55:49,611
-Good to see you.

1017
00:55:49,714 --> 00:55:51,313
We don't have to nail down
a story this meeting.

1018
00:55:51,415 --> 00:55:52,815
[ Intercom buzzes ]
Oh.

1019
00:55:52,917 --> 00:55:54,116
I'm sorry.
Hello?

1020
00:55:54,218 --> 00:55:55,584
Good night, love.
See you tomorrow.

1021
00:55:55,686 --> 00:55:57,619
-Goodbye, and thank you.
-They just sent her over.

1022
00:55:57,722 --> 00:56:00,122
-I had a show on the air.
I had another show on the air.

1023
00:56:00,224 --> 00:56:02,925
Yes, no.
Bep-bep-bep-bep-bep.

1024
00:56:03,027 --> 00:56:04,993
It required another ear.

1025
00:56:05,096 --> 00:56:07,129
So I grew another ear.

1026
00:56:07,231 --> 00:56:10,065
It required a broom up my butt

1027
00:56:10,167 --> 00:56:14,236
so I could sweep the floor
at the same time.

1028
00:56:14,338 --> 00:56:16,171
I love the expression
"...or go blind."

1029
00:56:16,273 --> 00:56:18,440
I didn't know
whether to...or go blind.

1030
00:56:18,542 --> 00:56:21,310
[ Laughs ]

1031
00:56:21,412 --> 00:56:25,447
There was a moment when
I had five families on the air

1032
00:56:25,549 --> 00:56:31,019
and one in Encino
on Mooncrest Drive.

1033
00:56:31,122 --> 00:56:32,321
The families on the air

1034
00:56:32,423 --> 00:56:35,491
needed me
for every breath they took.

1035
00:56:35,593 --> 00:56:37,459
The family on Mooncrest Drive

1036
00:56:37,561 --> 00:56:41,864
seemed to get along just fine
with limited me.

1037
00:56:41,966 --> 00:56:45,167
I think I was too busy

1038
00:56:45,269 --> 00:56:48,170
struggling to be
a good provider.

1039
00:56:48,272 --> 00:56:50,806
♪♪

1040
00:56:58,749 --> 00:57:01,150
-My dad was extraordinarily busy
during those years --

1041
00:57:01,252 --> 00:57:03,018
the TV years.

1042
00:57:05,890 --> 00:57:09,725
He would be in the zone
and in his office,

1043
00:57:09,827 --> 00:57:12,828
barricaded for a couple of days.

1044
00:57:14,899 --> 00:57:17,866
And then he emerges with
this beautiful piece of writing.

1045
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:26,442
He was so, you know,
at the top of his game.

1046
00:57:29,780 --> 00:57:34,817
But my mother was not
a great fan of Hollywood.

1047
00:57:34,919 --> 00:57:37,519
You know, certain things
are expected of mothers

1048
00:57:37,621 --> 00:57:39,021
that are not expected
of fathers,

1049
00:57:39,123 --> 00:57:41,156
especially in that generation.

1050
00:57:43,427 --> 00:57:46,128
So they had
a difficult marriage.

1051
00:57:49,867 --> 00:57:53,769
At some point, my mother
rented an apartment,

1052
00:57:53,871 --> 00:57:56,438
and nobody knew where it was.

1053
00:57:56,540 --> 00:57:57,906
Nobody had the address.

1054
00:57:58,008 --> 00:58:00,642
But she didn't come home
one night.

1055
00:58:09,787 --> 00:58:13,355
-I was going
from building to building.

1056
00:58:13,457 --> 00:58:15,023
It was a small apartment,

1057
00:58:15,125 --> 00:58:18,460
entirely furnished by its owner
but for some photographs

1058
00:58:18,562 --> 00:58:23,866
and a rug I recalled us buying
years before in Morocco.

1059
00:58:23,968 --> 00:58:27,135
Frances was lying on it.

1060
00:58:27,238 --> 00:58:30,239
And her [Sighs]

1061
00:58:30,341 --> 00:58:32,107
Frances...

1062
00:58:40,217 --> 00:58:41,717
Choking back a scream,

1063
00:58:41,819 --> 00:58:44,219
I'd reached for a pulse
I could not detect

1064
00:58:44,321 --> 00:58:47,890
while the super called 911.

1065
00:58:47,992 --> 00:58:51,260
In the emergency room
at Cedars-Sinai,

1066
00:58:51,362 --> 00:58:53,095
the first doctor to see her

1067
00:58:53,197 --> 00:58:58,734
said she was just minutes away
from leaving us.

1068
00:58:58,836 --> 00:59:00,502
When I left the hospital,

1069
00:59:00,604 --> 00:59:04,873
Frances was in a private room
and out of danger.

1070
00:59:17,054 --> 00:59:20,155
She was manic-depressive.

1071
00:59:20,257 --> 00:59:22,524
We -- It was...

1072
00:59:22,626 --> 00:59:24,493
We didn't know
she was manic-depressive

1073
00:59:24,595 --> 00:59:27,129
until she was 50.

1074
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:30,933
And our marriage was so --

1075
00:59:31,035 --> 00:59:33,835
We were having
such a difficult time.

1076
00:59:41,412 --> 00:59:42,611
She wanted to move to New York.

1077
00:59:42,713 --> 00:59:44,646
I didn't want to move
to New York.

1078
00:59:48,085 --> 00:59:50,419
And, at some point, she left.

1079
00:59:53,457 --> 00:59:58,961
-Around the time that Norman
and Frances split up,

1080
00:59:59,063 --> 01:00:01,363
Norman sat up and said,

1081
01:00:01,465 --> 01:00:05,267
"I have an announcement
that I want to make."

1082
01:00:22,753 --> 01:00:28,256
-The great Norman Lear, the king
of situation comedy, leaves,

1083
01:00:28,359 --> 01:00:32,027
and without
a whole lot of notice.

1084
01:00:32,129 --> 01:00:33,662
And he asked me to come over

1085
01:00:33,764 --> 01:00:38,033
and basically
take over the shows.

1086
01:00:38,135 --> 01:00:40,602
And for me,
it was as if the Pied Piper

1087
01:00:40,704 --> 01:00:43,739
said to me, "I'm leaving.

1088
01:00:43,841 --> 01:00:46,875
Here's my flute.

1089
01:00:46,977 --> 01:00:48,744
Good luck."

1090
01:00:51,148 --> 01:00:53,415
-Norman, why are you
quitting the business

1091
01:00:53,517 --> 01:00:55,250
of television comedy?

1092
01:00:55,352 --> 01:01:01,056
-Well, I'm not so much quitting
the business as leaving it.

1093
01:01:01,158 --> 01:01:03,125
But we figured it out,

1094
01:01:03,227 --> 01:01:06,294
and it comes
to 16 television series

1095
01:01:06,397 --> 01:01:09,064
and 700 hours
of prime-time television.

1096
01:01:09,166 --> 01:01:10,632
It's hard
for me to say the words,

1097
01:01:10,734 --> 01:01:11,933
it stuns me so.

1098
01:01:12,036 --> 01:01:14,369
And I've loved it.

1099
01:01:14,471 --> 01:01:16,705
I've had a marvelous time
doing it.

1100
01:01:16,807 --> 01:01:19,241
I just want to exercise
some other muscles.

1101
01:01:22,513 --> 01:01:23,879
-I was not thinking

1102
01:01:23,981 --> 01:01:28,550
I was leaving
the entertainment business.

1103
01:01:28,652 --> 01:01:34,556
I was thinking it's
all the entertainment business.

1104
01:01:34,658 --> 01:01:37,726
♪♪

1105
01:01:55,512 --> 01:01:59,614
-♪ Onward, Christian soldiers ♪

1106
01:01:59,717 --> 01:02:01,249
-I'm sick and tired

1107
01:02:01,351 --> 01:02:04,419
of hearing
about all of the radicals

1108
01:02:04,521 --> 01:02:07,622
and the perverts
and the liberals.

1109
01:02:07,725 --> 01:02:09,491
It's time for God's people

1110
01:02:09,593 --> 01:02:14,029
to come out of the churches
and change America.

1111
01:02:14,131 --> 01:02:15,997
-We have
a threefold responsibility.

1112
01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:18,767
Number one -- get people saved.
Number two -- get them baptized.

1113
01:02:18,869 --> 01:02:22,003
Number three --
get them registered to vote.

1114
01:02:22,106 --> 01:02:25,774
-Looking at the things
that Jimmy Carter supports,

1115
01:02:25,876 --> 01:02:28,009
I'm not sure
that Jesus Christ...

1116
01:02:28,112 --> 01:02:31,613
<i>well, I know that Christ
would not support that platform.</i>

1117
01:02:31,715 --> 01:02:34,549
-Praise God.
Let's be happy about this.

1118
01:02:34,651 --> 01:02:38,787
-We've got to raise up an army
of men and women in America

1119
01:02:38,889 --> 01:02:44,059
who call this nation back
to moral sanity and sensibility.

1120
01:02:44,161 --> 01:02:45,727
I call that the moral majority.

1121
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:54,703
-♪ Amen ♪

1122
01:02:58,275 --> 01:02:59,975
-Ready?
Any time.

1123
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,714
-It isn't the Moral Majority.

1124
01:03:05,816 --> 01:03:08,717
It is the religious New Right.

1125
01:03:08,819 --> 01:03:11,753
The Reverend Falwell
is very good at what he does,

1126
01:03:11,855 --> 01:03:15,023
and he somehow manages to
push himself so far to the front

1127
01:03:15,125 --> 01:03:18,660
that attention must be paid.

1128
01:03:18,762 --> 01:03:21,563
I was concerned about what
I was seeing on television --

1129
01:03:21,665 --> 01:03:27,669
the proliferation
of TV evangelical ministers

1130
01:03:27,771 --> 01:03:30,272
mixing politics and religion.

1131
01:03:30,374 --> 01:03:33,675
Thundering with the Bible!

1132
01:03:33,777 --> 01:03:38,346
You know,
calling this a Christian nation

1133
01:03:38,448 --> 01:03:43,819
and waving it like it was a bomb
or a bomb threat.

1134
01:03:45,823 --> 01:03:47,856
So I thought,
"I want to take the flag

1135
01:03:47,958 --> 01:03:52,194
and the Bible back
for all of us,

1136
01:03:52,296 --> 01:03:56,631
and the way I know how to do it
is television."

1137
01:03:56,733 --> 01:03:58,967
[ Cheers and applause ]

1138
01:03:59,069 --> 01:04:01,970
-I'm the one
that they're singing about.

1139
01:04:02,072 --> 01:04:04,372
Yeah, I'm the Stars
and Stripes Forever.

1140
01:04:04,474 --> 01:04:06,107
Star-Spangled Banner.

1141
01:04:06,210 --> 01:04:08,977
You can call me Old Glory,
but let's just keep it simple.

1142
01:04:09,079 --> 01:04:12,147
Just call me Flag.

1143
01:04:12,249 --> 01:04:15,083
Oh, say, can you see?
Okay.

1144
01:04:16,486 --> 01:04:18,553
A little flag humor.

1145
01:04:18,655 --> 01:04:22,090
You know, I'm 204 years old.

1146
01:04:22,192 --> 01:04:25,560
People say, "Flag,
how do you stay so young?

1147
01:04:25,662 --> 01:04:27,729
Is it jogging?"
No.

1148
01:04:27,831 --> 01:04:30,098
"Is it tennis?"
No.

1149
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:31,933
It's waving.

1150
01:04:32,035 --> 01:04:33,768
[ Laughter ]

1151
01:04:37,107 --> 01:04:39,274
-Norman was gonna do
a comedy movie

1152
01:04:39,376 --> 01:04:41,243
about the rise
of the religious right,

1153
01:04:41,345 --> 01:04:42,844
and then he realized
that it was much deeper.

1154
01:04:42,946 --> 01:04:44,412
This was not just a movie,

1155
01:04:44,514 --> 01:04:46,081
and this wasn't just something
that was funny.

1156
01:04:46,183 --> 01:04:48,283
And that's
why he decided to retire

1157
01:04:48,385 --> 01:04:50,585
from his successful
television shows

1158
01:04:50,687 --> 01:04:54,256
to really devote his life
to activism.

1159
01:04:54,358 --> 01:04:55,757
The Constitution's ban

1160
01:04:55,859 --> 01:04:58,260
on the establishment
of an official religion

1161
01:04:58,362 --> 01:05:01,129
and its guarantee
of the free exercise of religion

1162
01:05:01,231 --> 01:05:03,365
are clear and unchallengeable.

1163
01:05:03,467 --> 01:05:06,301
The separation of church
and state, pluralism,

1164
01:05:06,403 --> 01:05:07,669
and free debate,

1165
01:05:07,771 --> 01:05:10,005
and the struggle
against intolerance --

1166
01:05:10,107 --> 01:05:12,173
We must nourish them all

1167
01:05:12,276 --> 01:05:15,844
if we are to preserve
the American way.

1168
01:05:15,946 --> 01:05:18,380
-It was in the fall of 1978
that he told me

1169
01:05:18,482 --> 01:05:20,382
he was gonna found
People for the American Way

1170
01:05:20,484 --> 01:05:24,052
and told me what the substance
of the organization would be,

1171
01:05:24,154 --> 01:05:26,621
what its purpose was.

1172
01:05:26,723 --> 01:05:28,290
And I said to him,
I said, "Look, Norman,

1173
01:05:28,392 --> 01:05:35,797
you're a wealthy
Hollywood Jewish liberal."

1174
01:05:35,899 --> 01:05:39,334
Those who will, and do, disagree
with you

1175
01:05:39,436 --> 01:05:43,972
are powerful entities
themselves,

1176
01:05:44,074 --> 01:05:49,411
and you could be headed
for a rough ride here.

1177
01:05:49,513 --> 01:05:51,680
-I would like to know
if Mr. Lear believes in God.

1178
01:05:51,782 --> 01:05:54,683
Perhaps he does,
but there are many of us,

1179
01:05:54,785 --> 01:05:56,818
after so many vicious,
distorted attacks

1180
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,386
against
Bible-believing Christians,

1181
01:05:58,488 --> 01:06:02,590
who wonder maybe he's
on an anti-Christian kick.

1182
01:06:02,693 --> 01:06:04,025
-You are not opposed --

1183
01:06:04,127 --> 01:06:05,727
Let's clear up
a popular misconception.

1184
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:07,562
You are not opposed

1185
01:06:07,664 --> 01:06:09,898
to fundamentalists
getting involved in politics.

1186
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,232
-No.
Oh, not at all.

1187
01:06:11,335 --> 01:06:13,101
I'm not opposed
to any American anywhere

1188
01:06:13,203 --> 01:06:15,370
speaking his mind
or her mind at any time.

1189
01:06:15,472 --> 01:06:16,905
-Does it bother you to be viewed

1190
01:06:17,007 --> 01:06:19,741
as you are by some
as the embodiment

1191
01:06:19,843 --> 01:06:22,911
of anti-moral,
anti-Christian America?

1192
01:06:23,013 --> 01:06:24,446
-Yeah, well,
of course it bothers me,

1193
01:06:24,548 --> 01:06:26,348
but it bothers me far more

1194
01:06:26,450 --> 01:06:27,916
when hundreds of thousands,

1195
01:06:28,018 --> 01:06:29,718
perhaps millions of Americans

1196
01:06:29,820 --> 01:06:32,420
are persuaded to vote
a certain way,

1197
01:06:32,522 --> 01:06:35,557
or it's suggested that if
they don't vote a certain way,

1198
01:06:35,659 --> 01:06:37,125
they are demonic, satanic.

1199
01:06:37,227 --> 01:06:38,360
They are in league
with the devil.

1200
01:06:38,462 --> 01:06:41,696
They are not one
of God's people.

1201
01:06:41,798 --> 01:06:45,600
Jerry Falwell sent out a mailing

1202
01:06:45,702 --> 01:06:48,103
in which he called me
"the number-one enemy

1203
01:06:48,205 --> 01:06:50,105
of the American family
in our generation."

1204
01:06:50,207 --> 01:06:51,673
That's a quote.

1205
01:06:51,775 --> 01:06:54,776
And I started to get
some death threats.

1206
01:06:54,878 --> 01:06:57,312
So it was serious stuff.

1207
01:06:57,414 --> 01:07:00,048
♪♪

1208
01:07:02,686 --> 01:07:05,286
-George Orwell said
the most important thing

1209
01:07:05,389 --> 01:07:10,025
is to see what's obvious
and tell us about it.

1210
01:07:10,127 --> 01:07:12,794
And that's what Norman did.

1211
01:07:12,896 --> 01:07:15,363
He became the first
purely American response

1212
01:07:15,465 --> 01:07:19,667
to an un-American strain
of bigotry.

1213
01:07:21,872 --> 01:07:24,005
I cannot, you know...

1214
01:07:24,107 --> 01:07:29,144
I cannot overemphasize
what a patriot this man is.

1215
01:07:29,246 --> 01:07:32,881
-An original copy of
the Declaration of Independence

1216
01:07:32,983 --> 01:07:34,482
is making news --

1217
01:07:34,584 --> 01:07:37,786
sold at auction yesterday
for more than $8 million.

1218
01:07:37,888 --> 01:07:40,055
-Jesus, you don't have room
for this story.

1219
01:07:40,157 --> 01:07:42,724
I mean, there's no way.

1220
01:07:42,826 --> 01:07:45,226
-He didn't call me and ask me,
"What do you think, pal?"

1221
01:07:45,328 --> 01:07:47,629
He called me and said,
"Guess what!

1222
01:07:47,731 --> 01:07:50,365
I own the Declaration
of Independence!"

1223
01:07:50,467 --> 01:07:51,833
And I said, "Norman,
I thought we all do."

1224
01:07:51,935 --> 01:07:53,968
He said,
"I'm gonna make sure you do."

1225
01:07:54,071 --> 01:07:56,071
-He pulls out
this big glass thing,

1226
01:07:56,173 --> 01:07:58,473
and there's the Declaration
of Independence.

1227
01:07:58,575 --> 01:08:02,077
And you're like -- I can't
believe it was for sale somehow.

1228
01:08:02,179 --> 01:08:05,180
But he felt
he had such a responsibility

1229
01:08:05,282 --> 01:08:07,082
to make sure that kids saw it

1230
01:08:07,184 --> 01:08:10,251
and understood
from where they came

1231
01:08:10,353 --> 01:08:13,721
and what this meant and what
these people were fighting for.

1232
01:08:13,824 --> 01:08:15,090
[ Cheers and applause ]

1233
01:08:15,192 --> 01:08:18,827
-Go, U.S.A.!

1234
01:08:18,929 --> 01:08:25,867
-The Declaration of Independence
is right here in Utah

1235
01:08:25,969 --> 01:08:29,504
and will be available
for viewing throughout the games

1236
01:08:29,606 --> 01:08:31,372
thanks to Norman Lear.

1237
01:08:38,748 --> 01:08:41,049
♪♪

1238
01:08:48,592 --> 01:08:50,191
-So, sweetheart,

1239
01:08:50,293 --> 01:08:53,561
how does it feel to be married
to a man 25 years older?

1240
01:08:53,663 --> 01:08:58,600
-It makes a difference now
more than it used to.

1241
01:08:58,702 --> 01:09:00,902
-Did you tell them

1242
01:09:01,004 --> 01:09:03,471
how the sex gets better
and better and better?

1243
01:09:03,573 --> 01:09:06,975
-Oh, especially the one
in the spring, right?

1244
01:09:07,077 --> 01:09:08,910
-[ Laughs ]

1245
01:09:11,715 --> 01:09:15,617
-I was doing my dissertation
on fundamentalism at the time,

1246
01:09:15,719 --> 01:09:18,486
and when I heard about
People for the American Way,

1247
01:09:18,588 --> 01:09:20,755
I was just very interested
in what he was doing

1248
01:09:20,857 --> 01:09:22,257
and what that was all about.

1249
01:09:22,359 --> 01:09:23,525
I was like, "Norman Lear.

1250
01:09:23,627 --> 01:09:25,593
I thought
he was short and bald."

1251
01:09:25,695 --> 01:09:29,130
You know, no, I didn't expect
him to be as tall as he was

1252
01:09:29,232 --> 01:09:32,467
and kind of as handsome
and charming.

1253
01:09:32,569 --> 01:09:34,202
But we went out for lunch,

1254
01:09:34,304 --> 01:09:36,404
and that's sort
of where it all happened.

1255
01:09:38,708 --> 01:09:42,110
It was very clear to me
that I wanted to have children,

1256
01:09:42,212 --> 01:09:45,013
and I said,
"When you marry a younger woman,

1257
01:09:45,115 --> 01:09:46,447
it sort of comes
with the territory.

1258
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:49,083
So you have to decide."

1259
01:09:53,823 --> 01:09:57,625
-I remember sitting
at a café with my father,

1260
01:09:57,727 --> 01:10:01,529
and my dad said,
"So, guess what.

1261
01:10:01,631 --> 01:10:02,797
We're pregnant.

1262
01:10:02,899 --> 01:10:05,066
And it's twins!"

1263
01:10:05,168 --> 01:10:08,603
And I almost fell into my soup.

1264
01:10:08,705 --> 01:10:11,806
-♪ A buzzard took a monkey
for a ride in the air ♪

1265
01:10:11,908 --> 01:10:14,909
♪ The monkey thought that
everything was on the square ♪

1266
01:10:15,011 --> 01:10:17,779
♪ The buzzard tried to throw
the monkey off of his back ♪

1267
01:10:17,881 --> 01:10:21,316
♪ The monkey grabbed his neck
and said, "Now, listen, Jack" ♪

1268
01:10:21,418 --> 01:10:24,452
♪ Straighten up and fly right ♪

1269
01:10:24,554 --> 01:10:26,421
♪ Straighten up
and fly right ♪

1270
01:10:26,523 --> 01:10:27,722
-Yes, I have my son!

1271
01:10:27,824 --> 01:10:30,458
-I see me in that camera.

1272
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,995
-♪ Cool down, Papa,
don't you blow your top ♪

1273
01:10:34,097 --> 01:10:36,564
♪ Ain't no use in diving ♪

1274
01:10:36,666 --> 01:10:39,767
♪ What's the use of jiving? ♪

1275
01:10:39,869 --> 01:10:42,770
♪ Straighten up and fly right ♪

1276
01:10:42,872 --> 01:10:46,574
♪ Cool down, Papa,
don't you blow your top ♪

1277
01:10:47,744 --> 01:10:49,110
♪ Fly right ♪

1278
01:10:49,212 --> 01:10:52,280
-Good night, sweetheart.
[ Smooches, blows ]

1279
01:10:54,451 --> 01:10:56,417
[ Cheers and applause ]

1280
01:10:56,886 --> 01:10:58,786
-[ Breathes deeply ]

1281
01:10:58,888 --> 01:11:01,956
Um, okay.

1282
01:11:02,058 --> 01:11:04,959
I have this class at my school.

1283
01:11:05,061 --> 01:11:08,963
I remember this one girl saying,
"You know what?

1284
01:11:09,065 --> 01:11:12,267
My family is so weird.

1285
01:11:12,369 --> 01:11:16,037
My dad is 67."

1286
01:11:16,139 --> 01:11:19,340
And all I remember
myself saying is,

1287
01:11:19,442 --> 01:11:23,177
or thinking to myself is,
you know, "My dad's 80."

1288
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,347
[ Laughter ]

1289
01:11:26,449 --> 01:11:29,917
My dad has been a senior citizen
ever since I was born.

1290
01:11:33,923 --> 01:11:35,790
[ Laughs ]

1291
01:11:35,892 --> 01:11:38,559
I knew my father
was older than most --

1292
01:11:38,662 --> 01:11:40,662
than all -- very early.

1293
01:11:40,764 --> 01:11:42,063
I liked it.

1294
01:11:42,165 --> 01:11:43,331
I feel like
it's kind of a cool thing

1295
01:11:43,433 --> 01:11:45,800
to have in your pocket.

1296
01:11:45,902 --> 01:11:49,871
He's the most important person
in my life, for sure.

1297
01:12:13,630 --> 01:12:15,830
-Oh, I don't do refolding.
I'm sorry.

1298
01:12:15,932 --> 01:12:17,432
-Completely...

1299
01:12:17,534 --> 01:12:19,600
[ Indistinct conversation ]

1300
01:12:19,703 --> 01:12:22,403
This next one's
gonna be completely...

1301
01:12:24,407 --> 01:12:25,807
-Here, guys.
Fold them.

1302
01:12:25,909 --> 01:12:27,709
[ Laughter ]
-Wait, wait, wait.

1303
01:12:27,811 --> 01:12:29,110
Which word had three syllables?

1304
01:12:29,212 --> 01:12:30,511
-"Even This,
I Get to Experience."

1305
01:12:30,613 --> 01:12:31,946
-Little word.
-Me.

1306
01:12:32,048 --> 01:12:33,448
-"Even this..."
-That's two syllables.

1307
01:12:33,550 --> 01:12:36,017
-"The man who" and "hat."

1308
01:12:36,119 --> 01:12:38,186
-It's a book.
-It's a book.

1309
01:12:38,288 --> 01:12:39,787
-Oh, yeah.
It's about...

1310
01:12:39,889 --> 01:12:41,622
-"The Man Who Mistook His Wife
for a Hat"

1311
01:12:41,725 --> 01:12:43,658
-Yeah.
[ Cheers and applause ]

1312
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,061
-Wow, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!

1313
01:12:47,163 --> 01:12:48,863
-Amazing.

1314
01:12:48,965 --> 01:12:50,331
-Whoo-hoo!

1315
01:12:50,433 --> 01:12:54,335
-That's a good --
That's a good name.

1316
01:12:54,437 --> 01:13:00,608
-My family is the greatest joy
in my life.

1317
01:13:07,417 --> 01:13:11,085
But I look back over the years,

1318
01:13:11,187 --> 01:13:14,555
and I think I realize

1319
01:13:14,657 --> 01:13:19,861
that each of us is responsible
for our own happiness.

1320
01:13:19,963 --> 01:13:22,663
And that's the great journey
in life --

1321
01:13:22,766 --> 01:13:28,002
learning that you have to find
the satisfaction yourself.

1322
01:13:28,104 --> 01:13:32,173
[ Sighs ]

1323
01:13:32,275 --> 01:13:35,176
It's hard to be a human being.
[ Chuckles ]

1324
01:13:35,278 --> 01:13:37,211
Remember, you heard it here.

1325
01:13:50,460 --> 01:13:52,393
It goes back, in my life,
to a grandfather.

1326
01:13:52,495 --> 01:13:54,662
If you got a minute, I'll tell
you about my grandfather.

1327
01:13:54,764 --> 01:13:58,065
My grandfather
loved this country,

1328
01:13:58,168 --> 01:14:02,737
stood holding my hand so tightly
it hurt on street corners

1329
01:14:02,839 --> 01:14:04,739
when a parade went by.

1330
01:14:04,841 --> 01:14:06,240
And I'd look up --
When the flag came by,

1331
01:14:06,342 --> 01:14:07,675
I'd look up at his face,

1332
01:14:07,777 --> 01:14:09,744
and a tear
would be coming down his cheek.

1333
01:14:09,846 --> 01:14:11,913
And he wrote Presidents.

1334
01:14:12,015 --> 01:14:14,482
He was an inveterate
letter writer to Presidents,

1335
01:14:14,584 --> 01:14:16,284
and every letter

1336
01:14:16,386 --> 01:14:19,754
started with "My dearest,
darling Mr. President."

1337
01:14:19,856 --> 01:14:21,289
My immigrant grandfather.

1338
01:14:21,391 --> 01:14:22,990
He was a man
who wrote the President

1339
01:14:23,092 --> 01:14:25,092
every single month of his life.

1340
01:14:25,195 --> 01:14:27,462
He used to write, "My dearest,
darling Mr. President,

1341
01:14:27,564 --> 01:14:29,497
don't you listen to them
when they say such and such."

1342
01:14:29,599 --> 01:14:30,832
And every letter started

1343
01:14:30,934 --> 01:14:32,667
"My dearest, darling
Mr. President."

1344
01:14:32,769 --> 01:14:35,603
[ Laughter ]
"Don't you listen to them

1345
01:14:35,705 --> 01:14:38,439
when they say such and such
and so-and-so."

1346
01:14:38,541 --> 01:14:41,275
And when he disagreed with them,

1347
01:14:41,377 --> 01:14:42,543
the letters
started the same way --

1348
01:14:42,645 --> 01:14:44,645
"My dearest, darling
Mr. President,

1349
01:14:44,747 --> 01:14:46,881
didn't I tell you last week..."

1350
01:14:46,983 --> 01:14:49,116
"I wrote you.
I said that you should..."

1351
01:14:49,219 --> 01:14:51,285
But he got answers.

1352
01:14:51,387 --> 01:14:52,954
Every once in a while,

1353
01:14:53,056 --> 01:14:55,189
I would run down
the three flights of steps,

1354
01:14:55,291 --> 01:14:57,358
York Street,
New Haven, Connecticut,

1355
01:14:57,460 --> 01:14:59,293
and there's
the little white envelope

1356
01:14:59,395 --> 01:15:00,728
that said White House.

1357
01:15:00,830 --> 01:15:03,631
[ Echoing ] White House.

1358
01:15:03,733 --> 01:15:07,735
He got letters
from the White House.

1359
01:15:07,837 --> 01:15:10,505
And my 9-, 10-year-old heart
would just...

1360
01:15:10,607 --> 01:15:13,174
[ Tapping chest ]
I couldn't get over it.

1361
01:15:16,946 --> 01:15:20,081
That wasn't true.

1362
01:15:20,183 --> 01:15:23,651
I made that up.

1363
01:15:23,753 --> 01:15:24,919
I had a great friend.

1364
01:15:25,021 --> 01:15:27,989
Arthur Marshall was his name.

1365
01:15:28,091 --> 01:15:31,659
And he had a grandfather
who wrote the President

1366
01:15:31,761 --> 01:15:35,930
"My dearest, darling
Mr. President."

1367
01:15:36,032 --> 01:15:38,165
I adored that,

1368
01:15:38,268 --> 01:15:43,938
and I guess out of some need,

1369
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:45,773
I adopted it.

1370
01:15:45,875 --> 01:15:50,177
Or, more honestly said,
I stole it...

1371
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,347
because I think now

1372
01:15:53,449 --> 01:15:55,516
I just needed
that father figure,

1373
01:15:55,618 --> 01:16:00,121
and if he didn't
exist in reality,

1374
01:16:00,223 --> 01:16:04,191
he certainly existed in my head.

1375
01:16:04,294 --> 01:16:07,128
I did what I had to do.

1376
01:16:07,230 --> 01:16:09,030
You know, I needed that --

1377
01:16:09,132 --> 01:16:12,400
to believe in that, and I did.

1378
01:16:13,469 --> 01:16:16,904
♪♪

1379
01:16:31,020 --> 01:16:33,821
-Will you stifle?!
Yeah, you.

1380
01:16:33,923 --> 01:16:37,725
Gloria, you married the laziest
white man I ever seen.

1381
01:16:37,827 --> 01:16:41,629
-Did you ever think
that possibly your father

1382
01:16:41,731 --> 01:16:44,165
just might be wrong?

1383
01:16:44,267 --> 01:16:46,400
My old man used to call people
the same things

1384
01:16:46,502 --> 01:16:47,969
as your old man,

1385
01:16:48,071 --> 01:16:49,637
but I always knew he was wrong.

1386
01:16:49,739 --> 01:16:50,871
So was your old man.

1387
01:16:50,974 --> 01:16:52,306
-No, he wasn't.
-Yes, he was.

1388
01:16:52,408 --> 01:16:53,975
-He wasn't.
-Your father was wrong.

1389
01:16:54,077 --> 01:16:57,678
-Don't!
-Your father was wrong!

1390
01:16:57,780 --> 01:17:02,316
-Your father is the man
that comes home,

1391
01:17:02,418 --> 01:17:05,753
bringing you candy.

1392
01:17:05,855 --> 01:17:10,992
Your father is the first guy
to throw a baseball to you...

1393
01:17:11,094 --> 01:17:15,563
and take you for walks
in the park,

1394
01:17:15,665 --> 01:17:19,266
holding you by the hand.

1395
01:17:19,369 --> 01:17:22,036
My father held me by the hand.

1396
01:17:22,138 --> 01:17:25,373
Oh, hey...

1397
01:17:25,475 --> 01:17:30,378
my father had a hand on him,
now, I'll tell you.

1398
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:32,580
He busted that hand once,

1399
01:17:32,682 --> 01:17:38,285
and he busted it on me
to teach me to do good.

1400
01:17:38,388 --> 01:17:40,221
Hmm?

1401
01:17:40,323 --> 01:17:44,358
My father, he shoved me
in a closet for seven hours

1402
01:17:44,460 --> 01:17:48,763
to teach me to do good,
'cause he loved me.

1403
01:17:48,865 --> 01:17:50,665
He loved me.

1404
01:17:53,469 --> 01:17:55,469
Yeah.

1405
01:17:55,571 --> 01:18:01,575
How can any man that loves you
tell you anything that's wrong?

1406
01:18:07,183 --> 01:18:10,451
-[ Voice breaking ]
Oh, son of a bitch

1407
01:18:12,889 --> 01:18:14,855
Was that good.

1408
01:18:17,260 --> 01:18:19,026
[ Sighing ] Oh.

1409
01:18:29,539 --> 01:18:32,073
♪♪

1410
01:18:38,414 --> 01:18:40,281
Meanwhile, my father
was about to take a plane

1411
01:18:40,383 --> 01:18:42,616
to Tulsa, Oklahoma.

1412
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:45,986
"Herman, I don't like this,"
she told him.

1413
01:18:46,089 --> 01:18:48,622
"I don't want you
to see those men."

1414
01:18:48,725 --> 01:18:52,727
That was
just past my 9th birthday.

1415
01:18:52,829 --> 01:18:55,129
This had to be the moment

1416
01:18:55,231 --> 01:18:57,198
when my awareness
of the foolishness

1417
01:18:57,300 --> 01:18:59,600
of the human condition was born.

1418
01:19:08,845 --> 01:19:11,245
-Straight ahead for me.

1419
01:19:11,347 --> 01:19:14,515
[ Camera shutters clicking ]
Straight ahead for me.

1420
01:19:14,617 --> 01:19:16,083
-This is Norman's book.
-Hello, hello.

1421
01:19:16,185 --> 01:19:18,652
-It's such an honor to meet you.
I'm...

1422
01:19:18,755 --> 01:19:20,321
You don't even know
how I feel about you.

1423
01:19:20,423 --> 01:19:22,890
It's beyond the beyond.

1424
01:19:25,928 --> 01:19:27,862
-Like all of you,

1425
01:19:27,964 --> 01:19:31,599
I've known the voice of Norman
my whole life,

1426
01:19:31,701 --> 01:19:34,935
and his voice
was in my living room,

1427
01:19:35,037 --> 01:19:37,838
on every night, when I grew up.

1428
01:19:37,940 --> 01:19:41,108
And the whole time,
we were laughing.

1429
01:19:41,210 --> 01:19:43,677
Do you know how hard that is?

1430
01:19:43,780 --> 01:19:49,316
Do you know how...hard
it is to make people laugh?

1431
01:19:51,454 --> 01:19:54,622
To tackle big issues

1432
01:19:54,724 --> 01:19:58,092
<i> and get big ratings?</i>

1433
01:19:58,194 --> 01:20:01,896
It's so hard that people
don't even do it anymore.

1434
01:20:01,998 --> 01:20:03,964
[ Laughter ]

1435
01:20:04,066 --> 01:20:06,133
[ Cheers and applause ]

1436
01:20:06,235 --> 01:20:08,369
Please help me congratulate
the winner

1437
01:20:08,471 --> 01:20:11,105
of the PEN Center U.S.A.
Lifetime Achievement Award...

1438
01:20:11,207 --> 01:20:12,706
Norman Lear.

1439
01:20:12,809 --> 01:20:14,708
[ Cheers and applause ]

1440
01:20:17,146 --> 01:20:18,846
-Thank you.

1441
01:20:23,286 --> 01:20:27,688
Here is where I am today --
a nonagenarian

1442
01:20:27,790 --> 01:20:30,991
in what the doctors tell me
is excellent health

1443
01:20:31,093 --> 01:20:32,860
looking down my arm
and wondering,

1444
01:20:32,962 --> 01:20:34,595
as I peck away
on my computer,

1445
01:20:34,697 --> 01:20:40,234
what my father's hand is doing
hanging out of my sleeve.

1446
01:20:40,336 --> 01:20:42,837
My family, nuclear and extended,

1447
01:20:42,939 --> 01:20:44,338
brings me nothing but joy.

1448
01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:46,106
I go to sleep each night,

1449
01:20:46,209 --> 01:20:49,844
anticipating and delighting
in the great taste of the coffee

1450
01:20:49,946 --> 01:20:52,913
I will be drinking
the next morning --

1451
01:20:53,015 --> 01:20:56,851
something I have done
almost 30,000 times.

1452
01:20:56,953 --> 01:20:59,420
And having looked back
with new eyes

1453
01:20:59,522 --> 01:21:03,357
on all the lives I've been
so fortunate to have led,

1454
01:21:03,459 --> 01:21:06,861
I've learned,
as hopefully you now will,

1455
01:21:06,963 --> 01:21:11,732
who I was as I scrambled
to get here from there.

1456
01:21:11,834 --> 01:21:14,635
Even this, I get to experience.

1457
01:21:14,737 --> 01:21:16,437
[ Cheers and applause ]

1458
01:21:16,539 --> 01:21:18,339
I thank you.

1459
01:21:26,315 --> 01:21:27,715
Oh.

1460
01:21:27,817 --> 01:21:30,284
Let's go to the wrap party.

1461
01:21:31,921 --> 01:21:34,889
Like any good film
or any good play,

1462
01:21:34,991 --> 01:21:38,425
you don't know what's there
until you get to it,

1463
01:21:38,527 --> 01:21:40,461
and isn't that
what we're talking about

1464
01:21:40,563 --> 01:21:41,795
when we're talking about life?

1465
01:21:41,898 --> 01:21:45,266
We, none of us,
know where it leads.

1466
01:21:51,340 --> 01:21:53,407
-Here he is, at 93,

1467
01:21:53,509 --> 01:21:56,577
thinking about,
"What's my next big hit?"

1468
01:21:56,679 --> 01:22:01,782
I mean, he doesn't think
death is the last act.

1469
01:22:01,884 --> 01:22:03,918
-All right,
let's get to...work!

1470
01:22:04,020 --> 01:22:05,252
[ Woman laughs ]

1471
01:22:05,354 --> 01:22:08,455
♪♪

1472
01:22:15,932 --> 01:22:17,564
My name is Norman Lear.

1473
01:22:17,667 --> 01:22:19,366
[ Cheers and applause ]

1474
01:22:23,272 --> 01:22:27,675
Laughter, you know,
just has to add time.

1475
01:22:27,777 --> 01:22:31,345
You know, if lifting weights
or running, you know,

1476
01:22:31,447 --> 01:22:34,515
can add time, oh God,

1477
01:22:34,617 --> 01:22:37,217
how laughter can add time.

1478
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:42,089
Laughing, myself,
and watching others.

1479
01:22:42,191 --> 01:22:45,592
That was my life.

1480
01:22:45,695 --> 01:22:47,461
Oh, yes.

1481
01:22:56,504 --> 01:22:58,839
[ "Sixteen Tons" plays ]

1482
01:22:58,941 --> 01:23:01,842
-♪ Some people said
a man is made out of mud ♪

1483
01:23:01,944 --> 01:23:04,945
-"Norman Lear:
Just Another Version of You"

1484
01:23:05,047 --> 01:23:07,581
is available on Blu-ray and DVD.

1485
01:23:07,683 --> 01:23:10,818
To order, visit shopPBS.org

1486
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,954
or call 1-800-PLAY-PBS.

1487
01:23:14,056 --> 01:23:17,491
-♪ You load sixteen tons,
and what do you get? ♪

1488
01:23:17,593 --> 01:23:20,594
♪ Another day older
and deeper in debt ♪

1489
01:23:20,696 --> 01:23:25,165
♪ Saint Peter, don't you call me
'cause I can't go ♪

1490
01:23:25,267 --> 01:23:32,406
♪ I owe my soul ♪

1491
01:23:32,508 --> 01:23:38,145
♪ I owe my soul ♪

1492
01:23:38,247 --> 01:23:43,751
♪ I owe my soul ♪

1493
01:23:43,853 --> 01:23:49,056
♪ To the company store ♪