1 00:02:23,207 --> 00:02:26,577 "A big stick. Sometimes a metal chain." 2 00:02:26,677 --> 00:02:28,402 Where? 3 00:02:29,681 --> 00:02:30,915 "On the back." 4 00:02:31,315 --> 00:02:33,933 Is it bad? Does he bleed? 5 00:02:37,022 --> 00:02:38,254 "Sometimes." 6 00:02:40,524 --> 00:02:42,258 And it's his master who's doing this? 7 00:02:46,831 --> 00:02:50,633 It's okay. Tell him I'm from The New York Times. 8 00:02:54,038 --> 00:02:58,907 I want to help you. But I can't help you unless you help me. 9 00:03:00,110 --> 00:03:02,346 I think he wants, you know... 10 00:03:02,446 --> 00:03:04,880 I know what he wants. 11 00:03:08,753 --> 00:03:10,654 You see this? 12 00:03:10,754 --> 00:03:14,459 He can have this. But only when we're done, okay? 13 00:03:17,395 --> 00:03:18,863 Again. 14 00:03:18,963 --> 00:03:22,333 Is it his master from the cocoa plantation that's doing the beatings? 15 00:03:27,905 --> 00:03:29,907 "Yes." 16 00:03:31,909 --> 00:03:34,979 All right. And his parents are dead? 17 00:03:41,652 --> 00:03:44,822 "No." He says they live in the country. 18 00:03:44,922 --> 00:03:48,292 Okay, so it's... It's his parents who are dead. 19 00:03:48,392 --> 00:03:50,595 Yes, I think so. 20 00:03:58,402 --> 00:04:00,037 Wait, wait, wait. 21 00:04:00,137 --> 00:04:02,641 Will you ask him to take his shirt off, so I can see his back? 22 00:04:07,678 --> 00:04:10,681 Tell him we need to take a picture for the paper. 23 00:04:13,467 --> 00:04:15,152 It's okay. 24 00:04:15,252 --> 00:04:17,288 This is me. 25 00:04:17,388 --> 00:04:20,258 Mike Finkel from The New York Times. 26 00:04:43,514 --> 00:04:45,549 Excuse me. 27 00:04:46,484 --> 00:04:49,754 - Do you speak English? - A little. 28 00:04:50,541 --> 00:04:53,659 I can't figure this out. This takes coins, right? 29 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:56,762 I think so, yeah. 30 00:04:58,229 --> 00:05:00,731 - Ta-da. - You did it. 31 00:05:03,100 --> 00:05:05,736 Why do they light candles? 32 00:05:05,836 --> 00:05:08,074 So people get to heaven? 33 00:05:09,574 --> 00:05:11,809 I'm not Catholic. 34 00:05:13,244 --> 00:05:16,780 - Are you German? - Yeah. 35 00:05:18,115 --> 00:05:20,651 What brings you to Mexico? 36 00:05:20,751 --> 00:05:23,521 Some winter sun. 37 00:05:23,621 --> 00:05:25,857 Oh, yeah. 38 00:05:28,258 --> 00:05:30,260 You? 39 00:05:35,900 --> 00:05:38,268 I'm a journalist. 40 00:05:38,569 --> 00:05:41,805 Journalist? Cool. 41 00:05:41,905 --> 00:05:46,177 Yeah. Whatever. It's just a job. 42 00:05:46,277 --> 00:05:49,580 What is your name then, Mr. Journalist? 43 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,349 Me? 44 00:05:51,449 --> 00:05:56,086 Mike Finkel, with The New York Times. 45 00:05:56,186 --> 00:05:59,390 - Lena. Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 46 00:06:45,853 --> 00:06:47,689 Ten minutes, Mike. We gotta put this thing to bed. 47 00:06:47,939 --> 00:06:50,384 I'm on it. Raise $250. 48 00:06:50,484 --> 00:06:52,527 - You serious? - You heard me. $250. 49 00:06:52,627 --> 00:06:53,829 Motherfucker. 50 00:06:53,929 --> 00:06:55,513 So how long are you back for, Mike? 51 00:06:55,613 --> 00:06:59,184 Just tonight. I just came back to make sure they didn't sub the shit out of me again. 52 00:06:59,284 --> 00:07:00,735 Where do they put me? The fucking Hilton. 53 00:07:00,835 --> 00:07:03,221 - Nice. - Yeah. It's a circus out there. 54 00:07:03,321 --> 00:07:04,423 - Call. - Yeah. 55 00:07:04,523 --> 00:07:07,418 You know, when I arrived, at the same hotel as me, a guy from Reuters, 56 00:07:07,518 --> 00:07:09,844 two from Le Monde, and that Kwiatowski from CNN. 57 00:07:09,944 --> 00:07:12,212 - Turn. Ace of spades. - Hello. 58 00:07:12,312 --> 00:07:14,281 - $500. - Bullshit. 59 00:07:14,381 --> 00:07:15,833 - Mike? - I'm on it. 60 00:07:15,933 --> 00:07:18,269 - It'll need proofing. - No, it won't. 61 00:07:18,369 --> 00:07:19,670 The whole thing stinks. 62 00:07:19,770 --> 00:07:22,524 You know, people are starving on the coast and 200 miles inland, 63 00:07:22,624 --> 00:07:24,543 it's all Bon Jovi and French fries. 64 00:07:24,643 --> 00:07:26,355 But what do they care? As far as they're concerned, 65 00:07:26,455 --> 00:07:28,612 they're getting a cigar box from Gaddafi at Christmas. 66 00:07:28,712 --> 00:07:32,483 You know what I want for Christmas? 6,000 words. 67 00:07:32,583 --> 00:07:34,606 Are we playing poker, or what? 68 00:07:34,706 --> 00:07:35,820 King of spades. 69 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,855 Here, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy. 70 00:07:37,955 --> 00:07:41,225 - $750. - He's got the fucking Jack. 71 00:07:41,625 --> 00:07:43,929 - I'm out. - We all ready to drink this town? 72 00:07:44,229 --> 00:07:47,464 Come on, Mike, show us. You got those Jacks, or what? 73 00:07:47,898 --> 00:07:49,967 He doesn't have to. You folded. 74 00:07:50,067 --> 00:07:53,203 Come on, asshole, show us. 75 00:07:53,303 --> 00:07:55,339 Me? 76 00:07:56,206 --> 00:07:59,461 - I don't have shit. A pair of deuces. - Oh, my... 77 00:07:59,561 --> 00:08:01,526 Really? 78 00:08:01,626 --> 00:08:03,982 Can someone help me scoop up all this money I just won? 79 00:08:04,082 --> 00:08:05,817 You're paying for drinks tonight. 80 00:08:19,997 --> 00:08:21,666 Mom. 81 00:08:21,766 --> 00:08:25,136 This is 42nd Street, with transfers to the ACE and E train. 82 00:08:25,236 --> 00:08:28,071 Stay clear of the closing doors. 83 00:08:28,672 --> 00:08:30,041 So did you read it? 84 00:08:30,141 --> 00:08:33,311 Read it? What do you think? I'm framing it now. 85 00:08:33,411 --> 00:08:35,947 Seriously. You don't have to do that. 86 00:08:36,047 --> 00:08:37,682 What? I'm, like, your biggest fan. 87 00:08:37,782 --> 00:08:41,019 Mike, that's 9 covers in 3 years. 88 00:08:41,119 --> 00:08:45,023 - 10, but who's counting? - 9, 10, whatever. 89 00:08:45,123 --> 00:08:47,224 You going to give yourself a day off now? 90 00:08:47,324 --> 00:08:50,227 No, I'm actually going into the office. Marcus and Karen want to see me. 91 00:08:50,327 --> 00:08:52,696 Really? What about? 92 00:08:52,796 --> 00:08:55,433 No idea, but I have a hunch it rhymes with Smulitzer. 93 00:08:55,533 --> 00:08:59,204 - I wish I was there to celebrate with you. - If you lived here, you would be. 94 00:08:59,304 --> 00:09:02,206 You know I can't. Come home soon. 95 00:09:02,306 --> 00:09:06,051 - I will. I love you. - I love you, too. 96 00:09:08,879 --> 00:09:10,749 - What's up, man? - My dude. 97 00:09:10,849 --> 00:09:12,208 Hey. 98 00:09:17,421 --> 00:09:19,990 - Hey. - Hey. 99 00:09:20,090 --> 00:09:22,293 Listen, I don't want to bother you with this, 100 00:09:22,393 --> 00:09:26,292 but Marcus got a call from Save the Children about that article of yours. 101 00:09:26,392 --> 00:09:28,799 The cocoa plantation piece. 102 00:09:28,899 --> 00:09:32,203 They say that's not Youssouf Male on the cover. 103 00:09:32,303 --> 00:09:34,205 This is. 104 00:09:34,505 --> 00:09:36,674 I can't remember. I interviewed both of them. 105 00:09:36,774 --> 00:09:38,909 They wrong? 106 00:09:39,009 --> 00:09:40,444 They must be. 107 00:09:40,544 --> 00:09:43,414 Hey, these things happen all the time. Let's go tell him. 108 00:09:43,814 --> 00:09:46,450 - Sure. - You better bring your old notebooks. 109 00:09:46,750 --> 00:09:49,104 They've also taken issue with some of the content. 110 00:09:49,204 --> 00:09:52,490 It's all checkable. None of it should be a problem. 111 00:09:52,590 --> 00:09:54,592 15 minutes? 112 00:09:55,315 --> 00:09:57,194 Sure. 113 00:09:59,096 --> 00:10:01,665 Is this him or not? 114 00:10:02,933 --> 00:10:05,770 Everything I wrote about Male happened to at least one of the boys. 115 00:10:07,237 --> 00:10:11,141 Is this or is this not Youssouf Male? 116 00:10:11,241 --> 00:10:14,211 This boy with scars like a mountain range. 117 00:10:14,311 --> 00:10:15,980 Yes, it is. 118 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,082 - You sure? - Yes, I'm sure. 119 00:10:19,750 --> 00:10:24,087 Okay, great. So just show us where his details are in here. 120 00:10:30,828 --> 00:10:33,764 - I can't do that. - Why not? 121 00:10:33,864 --> 00:10:36,600 Because I didn't take notes that day. 122 00:10:36,900 --> 00:10:39,536 It might not be him? 123 00:10:45,743 --> 00:10:48,812 This article was about saving young people's lives. 124 00:10:48,912 --> 00:10:50,949 I wanted to write about all the kids I interviewed. 125 00:10:51,049 --> 00:10:52,319 I came back with a plan for that. 126 00:10:52,619 --> 00:10:56,421 A more aggressive story about the corruption within these aid agencies. 127 00:10:56,521 --> 00:10:58,289 But we felt it was too broad. 128 00:10:58,389 --> 00:11:01,026 Don't imply this has anything to do with anyone other than you, Mike. 129 00:11:01,126 --> 00:11:02,610 You said write about one boy. 130 00:11:02,710 --> 00:11:06,131 Suggest the issues through one boy's story. A personal portrait. 131 00:11:06,231 --> 00:11:08,032 And you were right. You were absolutely right. 132 00:11:08,132 --> 00:11:09,700 I assumed you had the research. 133 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,013 - I did, just not all in one place. - Then that's not research. 134 00:11:13,113 --> 00:11:15,840 Mike, you must understand how damaging this could be 135 00:11:15,940 --> 00:11:17,908 for the charities who work with these children. 136 00:11:18,008 --> 00:11:20,612 - Not to mention the paper. - You said write it up. 137 00:11:20,712 --> 00:11:23,181 I... I thought it could work on a higher level. 138 00:11:23,281 --> 00:11:27,085 I said write it up, not make it up. The higher level is the truth. 139 00:11:27,185 --> 00:11:31,521 You didn't have the research, that's the only fact that matters here. 140 00:11:31,621 --> 00:11:33,624 Do you think this stuff writes itself? 141 00:11:33,724 --> 00:11:38,362 You hire people like me to get on the ground and hunt. 142 00:11:38,462 --> 00:11:41,231 That's how this paper has competitive advantage. 143 00:11:41,331 --> 00:11:44,769 - I did the best with what I had. - You lied. 144 00:11:45,469 --> 00:11:46,904 I just can't understand why. 145 00:11:47,004 --> 00:11:49,708 It's not like you had anything to prove to any of us, 146 00:11:49,808 --> 00:11:53,187 you're an exceptional journalist. It just bewilders me. 147 00:11:53,287 --> 00:11:55,446 We'll have to be open with our readers about this, Mike, 148 00:11:55,546 --> 00:11:58,253 which is no small embarrassment. Explain what you've done. 149 00:11:58,353 --> 00:12:00,884 Do you know what that means for those poor kids? 150 00:12:00,984 --> 00:12:05,457 For the support your article gave them, for their futures? For your future? 151 00:12:05,557 --> 00:12:09,559 - What the fuck were you thinking? - Okay, that's enough, Karen. 152 00:12:12,896 --> 00:12:16,032 All right. I... 153 00:12:16,500 --> 00:12:19,504 I can write a retraction, if that's what you want. 154 00:12:19,604 --> 00:12:22,039 That's what I can do. I can go... I'll go right now. 155 00:12:22,139 --> 00:12:25,310 I'll go and I'll just write you a retraction, 156 00:12:25,410 --> 00:12:28,011 if that's what you want, okay? 157 00:12:36,753 --> 00:12:41,358 Just... can you not print the apology? 158 00:12:43,794 --> 00:12:46,097 If you print the apology, no one will touch me. 159 00:12:46,197 --> 00:12:49,600 Can you just... Can you do that? Can you just not print the apology? 160 00:12:49,900 --> 00:12:52,452 Just that, please? 161 00:12:54,538 --> 00:12:58,241 You have a great future ahead of you, Mike. 162 00:12:58,341 --> 00:13:00,777 But not here. 163 00:13:56,332 --> 00:13:59,136 Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. 164 00:13:59,236 --> 00:14:02,072 We're about to begin our descent into Bozeman, Montana. 165 00:14:02,172 --> 00:14:06,077 For those of you returning, we would like to welcome you home. 166 00:14:06,177 --> 00:14:10,580 For those passengers visiting Montana for the first time... 167 00:14:28,598 --> 00:14:31,468 I can be working again by summer. 168 00:14:31,601 --> 00:14:34,337 If I can find something good. 169 00:14:36,873 --> 00:14:41,378 I can ask the university for a raise, or... 170 00:14:41,478 --> 00:14:45,882 - take on some high school teaching. - No, I'll make some calls. 171 00:14:49,186 --> 00:14:52,296 It'll be nice to have you back for a while. 172 00:15:28,805 --> 00:15:30,861 Tonya, it's Mike. 173 00:15:30,961 --> 00:15:33,363 Finkel. Yeah. 174 00:15:33,463 --> 00:15:35,265 I know, it's been a long time. 175 00:15:35,365 --> 00:15:38,870 Anyway, listen, I have this great idea. It's a snowboarding piece. 176 00:15:38,970 --> 00:15:43,305 I'm going to shoot with my war photographer, Chris, so it's going to look like... 177 00:15:43,405 --> 00:15:44,976 But this is... This is winter sports. 178 00:15:45,076 --> 00:15:47,712 This doesn't have anything to do with what happened. 179 00:15:47,812 --> 00:15:50,313 Hi, Ed, it's Mike Finkel. 180 00:15:50,914 --> 00:15:53,283 Since the A.P. awards dinner, yes. 181 00:15:53,783 --> 00:15:56,091 So, listen, Ed, I have this thing I've been working up 182 00:15:56,191 --> 00:15:58,656 on black ops in the Marine Corps from my war days. 183 00:15:58,756 --> 00:16:02,492 And it feels like a GQ piece. 184 00:16:02,592 --> 00:16:05,929 Right, but none of my other work has any suspicion. 185 00:16:06,229 --> 00:16:09,032 How long have we known each other? Don't make me beg here. 186 00:16:09,132 --> 00:16:11,318 Right, but it's 11:30. 187 00:16:11,418 --> 00:16:15,406 I know he can't be at lunch because Playboy doesn't even open until 11:00. 188 00:16:15,506 --> 00:16:17,358 I understand. 189 00:16:17,458 --> 00:16:19,442 Okay. 190 00:16:23,146 --> 00:16:24,799 Hey. 191 00:16:24,899 --> 00:16:28,866 Hang on, hang on. Here. 192 00:16:29,887 --> 00:16:31,489 Hey, it's okay. 193 00:16:31,589 --> 00:16:36,026 It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. 194 00:16:36,126 --> 00:16:38,695 - I'm sorry. - It's okay. 195 00:16:53,609 --> 00:16:56,180 - Hello? - Hi, my name is Pat Frato. 196 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:57,715 I'm a reporter with The Oregonian. 197 00:16:57,815 --> 00:17:00,151 Oh, I'm sure you're buried in all this by now, 198 00:17:00,251 --> 00:17:04,187 but I wanted to get your side on the Christian Longo story. 199 00:17:04,287 --> 00:17:07,958 - Who? - Christian Longo? The child killer? 200 00:17:08,058 --> 00:17:12,130 He murdered his entire family out here in Newport. You must know about him. 201 00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:15,399 They finally took him down in Cancun last week. You hadn't heard? 202 00:17:15,499 --> 00:17:18,302 No. Why are you telling me this? 203 00:17:18,602 --> 00:17:23,106 Because when they apprehended him, he said he was Mike Finkel, 204 00:17:23,206 --> 00:17:25,775 of The New York Times. 205 00:17:26,910 --> 00:17:28,978 Hello? 206 00:17:29,779 --> 00:17:32,766 Hello? Mr. Finkel? 207 00:17:33,316 --> 00:17:36,453 - Hello? - Hold on one second. 208 00:17:59,976 --> 00:18:02,379 When they picked him up in Mexico, he denied all knowledge of it, 209 00:18:02,479 --> 00:18:05,415 but the cops clearly felt they had enough to bring him in. 210 00:18:05,815 --> 00:18:10,221 He was just a regular guy, an intelligent, sane man from a good family. 211 00:18:10,321 --> 00:18:14,325 Comes home one night and kills his wife and kids. It makes no sense. 212 00:18:14,425 --> 00:18:17,694 At any rate, this turned out to be the end of the line for them. 213 00:18:17,994 --> 00:18:20,130 He... He drowned them. 214 00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:25,268 Although there is evidence to suggest that his wife and baby were strangled first. 215 00:18:25,368 --> 00:18:28,239 - Where are they holding him now? - Lincoln County Jail. 216 00:18:28,739 --> 00:18:31,909 He'll stay there until it comes to trial, I suspect. 217 00:18:33,943 --> 00:18:37,515 I'm going to have to start getting back. I'm afraid it's quite a drive. 218 00:18:37,615 --> 00:18:39,416 But you can keep all of this. 219 00:18:39,516 --> 00:18:41,452 Thank you so much, Pat. I really appreciate... 220 00:18:41,552 --> 00:18:47,089 No, I wanted to meet you as much as you me. I love your writing. 221 00:18:49,992 --> 00:18:53,984 Hey, listen. Did he say anything at all about why he claimed to be me? 222 00:18:54,084 --> 00:18:56,551 I'd hoped you might be able to tell me that. 223 00:18:56,651 --> 00:19:00,023 Just one for your diaries, I guess. 224 00:19:01,003 --> 00:19:03,539 - Thanks a lot. - Yeah. 225 00:19:18,054 --> 00:19:19,629 Dear Mr. Longo: 226 00:19:19,729 --> 00:19:23,093 This is Michael Finkel. I am told you've been using my name. 227 00:19:23,193 --> 00:19:26,696 I can't say I understand why, as I don't recall us ever meeting. 228 00:19:26,796 --> 00:19:28,571 But, actually, I don't mind. 229 00:19:28,671 --> 00:19:31,553 In fact, in a way, it makes me feel kind of honored. 230 00:19:31,653 --> 00:19:33,970 I know you are facing an upcoming trial and have been instructed 231 00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:38,341 to avoid people like me, but I was wondering whether you would agree to meet. 232 00:19:38,441 --> 00:19:41,778 You see, I've been through a kind of trial myself. 233 00:19:41,878 --> 00:19:44,715 And at the very same time that you were using my name, 234 00:19:44,815 --> 00:19:47,183 they stripped me of it. 235 00:19:47,917 --> 00:19:49,988 Since then, I've been doing a lot of soul searching. 236 00:19:50,088 --> 00:19:52,622 I've been trying to find out who I really am. 237 00:19:52,772 --> 00:19:56,793 I thought maybe you could tell me what it's like to be me. 238 00:20:07,837 --> 00:20:11,274 You get 15 minutes. Guard will be in attendance the whole time. 239 00:20:11,974 --> 00:20:15,379 No physical contact during any part of the meeting, understood? 240 00:20:16,179 --> 00:20:17,814 He'll... He'll be in the room with me? 241 00:20:18,214 --> 00:20:20,651 Lincoln County doesn't get many cases like this, 242 00:20:20,751 --> 00:20:22,653 so he gets the only room we've got. 243 00:20:22,753 --> 00:20:25,655 I just thought because he's accused of multiple homicide... 244 00:20:25,755 --> 00:20:28,993 Visiting privileges are determined by your behavior in here, 245 00:20:29,093 --> 00:20:30,860 not your crimes out there. 246 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,565 - And how's his behavior been? - Longo? Exemplary. 247 00:21:00,590 --> 00:21:03,593 Thank you for seeing me, Mr. Longo. 248 00:21:09,299 --> 00:21:11,534 Call me Chris. 249 00:21:11,634 --> 00:21:15,672 - Nice to meet you, Chris. - Yeah, nice to meet you, too. 250 00:21:17,974 --> 00:21:20,343 What are you writing? 251 00:21:21,511 --> 00:21:24,081 Sorry. It's... It's a habit. 252 00:21:25,748 --> 00:21:27,984 First impressions? 253 00:21:28,651 --> 00:21:31,121 Yes, first impressions. 254 00:21:32,021 --> 00:21:33,699 What did you put down? 255 00:21:35,425 --> 00:21:37,263 Brown eyes. 256 00:21:39,896 --> 00:21:42,599 That's not very remarkable. 257 00:21:42,699 --> 00:21:45,835 I'm sure 70% of the world has brown eyes. 258 00:21:45,935 --> 00:21:48,571 I guess so. I don't. 259 00:21:49,807 --> 00:21:52,108 You know, there's a... 260 00:21:52,208 --> 00:21:55,112 mathematical technique that will determine 261 00:21:55,212 --> 00:21:57,780 how ordinary a person you are. 262 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,118 Not just your looks, but your whole life. 263 00:22:00,218 --> 00:22:02,890 - Really? - From my calculations, I'd say... 264 00:22:02,990 --> 00:22:05,488 I'm pretty ordinary. 265 00:22:05,588 --> 00:22:09,359 I've been decent and regular for... 266 00:22:09,459 --> 00:22:12,562 92.88% of the time. 267 00:22:13,062 --> 00:22:16,332 But you couldn't tell that from reading the papers. 268 00:22:16,466 --> 00:22:19,335 They write about me and... 269 00:22:20,203 --> 00:22:23,640 - I'm just another... - Pariah. 270 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,593 Yeah. Exactly. 271 00:22:30,747 --> 00:22:32,716 So why... why me? 272 00:22:33,216 --> 00:22:35,920 Picked up The Times and you thought the name sounded funny? 273 00:22:36,020 --> 00:22:39,589 No, I... I've followed your whole career. 274 00:22:39,689 --> 00:22:40,558 What? 275 00:22:40,658 --> 00:22:43,110 I've always found your writing appealing. 276 00:22:43,210 --> 00:22:45,128 The adventure. 277 00:22:45,228 --> 00:22:48,998 The way you stand up for people that don't have voices. 278 00:22:49,098 --> 00:22:51,502 I've probably read everything you've done. 279 00:22:51,602 --> 00:22:53,770 I guess I felt like I knew you. 280 00:22:56,506 --> 00:22:59,508 So I read the paper. 281 00:23:00,777 --> 00:23:03,012 Did you do it? 282 00:23:05,315 --> 00:23:07,684 I should be asking you the same thing. 283 00:23:10,887 --> 00:23:13,689 I'm gonna take that as a yes. 284 00:23:15,658 --> 00:23:17,390 Why? 285 00:23:20,530 --> 00:23:22,899 I don't know. 286 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,504 You know... I needed the story to be ahead of the game. 287 00:23:31,908 --> 00:23:34,034 But deep down, you know, I don't know. 288 00:23:36,512 --> 00:23:38,085 And now you're here. 289 00:23:41,684 --> 00:23:43,753 Well... 290 00:23:44,654 --> 00:23:48,357 All the networks have been chasing me, and... 291 00:23:48,725 --> 00:23:53,289 I've had a bunch of requests from different newspapers. 292 00:23:54,564 --> 00:23:58,101 - The Times? - Not yet. 293 00:23:58,201 --> 00:24:00,920 I know I'm very valuable to people like you. 294 00:24:01,020 --> 00:24:04,190 And not everything's been said yet. 295 00:24:04,540 --> 00:24:06,943 But most journalists 296 00:24:07,043 --> 00:24:09,746 they're only interested in writing what their readers want to hear. 297 00:24:09,846 --> 00:24:11,705 They don't want to take the time 298 00:24:11,805 --> 00:24:15,918 to find out the truth about what really happened. 299 00:24:16,886 --> 00:24:19,108 But maybe at this point, it doesn't matter. 300 00:24:19,208 --> 00:24:22,826 Of course it matters. The truth always matters. 301 00:24:22,926 --> 00:24:25,941 It always seems to matter to you. 302 00:24:27,096 --> 00:24:29,932 You know, when I was being you, 303 00:24:30,633 --> 00:24:34,137 it was the happiest I'd been in a long time. 304 00:24:35,338 --> 00:24:39,241 Do you think you could ever imagine being me? 305 00:24:40,009 --> 00:24:43,079 Longo! Time to go. 306 00:24:43,546 --> 00:24:46,215 Okay. Mike. 307 00:24:46,883 --> 00:24:50,753 I want to tell you my side of this. Only you. 308 00:24:50,853 --> 00:24:52,767 But I know that eventually you're gonna want to write about it, 309 00:24:52,867 --> 00:24:55,892 so I'm gonna need two things from you in return. 310 00:24:55,992 --> 00:24:57,594 What? 311 00:24:57,694 --> 00:24:59,896 I need your word 312 00:24:59,996 --> 00:25:04,167 that you will not tell anyone what I tell you until after the trial. 313 00:25:04,267 --> 00:25:06,803 And in return, 314 00:25:06,903 --> 00:25:09,939 I will grant you exclusive access. 315 00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:12,542 - Okay? - I promise. 316 00:25:13,242 --> 00:25:15,801 But if I write about you, you may not like what you read. 317 00:25:15,901 --> 00:25:18,114 I understand. 318 00:25:19,248 --> 00:25:21,851 What's the second thing? 319 00:25:25,488 --> 00:25:28,124 I want you to teach me to write. 320 00:25:34,964 --> 00:25:37,104 - This him? - Yeah. 321 00:25:42,305 --> 00:25:44,574 You might not even hear from him again. 322 00:25:44,674 --> 00:25:46,709 I will. 323 00:25:47,910 --> 00:25:51,047 - I think he trusts me. - Can you trust him? 324 00:25:51,447 --> 00:25:53,383 - Don't do that. - What? 325 00:25:53,483 --> 00:25:56,586 You think after what happened, I didn't cross-check the police reports? 326 00:25:56,686 --> 00:26:00,012 This is a once-in-a-lifetime story. 327 00:26:02,191 --> 00:26:05,061 Don't you see this as a second chance? 328 00:26:42,665 --> 00:26:44,616 Dear Mike: 329 00:26:44,716 --> 00:26:45,903 Write what you know? 330 00:26:46,003 --> 00:26:50,608 Well, here is a list of all the ways I've gone wrong through life, 331 00:26:50,708 --> 00:26:55,045 so I may better understand how I reached this path I now find myself on. 332 00:26:55,145 --> 00:26:58,748 My father was a strict man. I once stole a roll of quarters from... 333 00:26:58,848 --> 00:27:02,419 We married pretty young and I definitely struggled for work at first. 334 00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:04,021 And eventually, because they liked what I was doing, 335 00:27:04,121 --> 00:27:07,550 they put me on the executive fast track. I also made a few stupid decisions 336 00:27:07,650 --> 00:27:10,093 about what we spent our money on. We traveled a lot... 337 00:27:10,193 --> 00:27:13,062 The children came like a flock of starlings. 338 00:27:13,162 --> 00:27:17,100 No one tells you how hard it's gonna be when you have kids. 339 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,971 Providing for them was all I sought to do. You just get through it. No matter what. 340 00:27:21,071 --> 00:27:23,006 These were the boom years in America. 341 00:27:23,106 --> 00:27:25,645 No matter where we traveled, I could never find enough 342 00:27:25,745 --> 00:27:28,212 to give them all what they truly deserved. 343 00:27:28,312 --> 00:27:30,213 We had to forfeit all our property. 344 00:27:30,613 --> 00:27:35,651 We went from Ohio all the way to Oregon. Motels, takeout. 345 00:27:35,751 --> 00:27:38,591 Being brought up a Jehovah's Witness was a blessing in my life, 346 00:27:38,691 --> 00:27:40,390 because it was there I met my wife. 347 00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:42,326 For 2 months, we had to sleep in the warehouse. 348 00:27:42,426 --> 00:27:46,011 We went on the run. Shame is a terrible emotion for a man. 349 00:27:46,111 --> 00:27:48,231 To lose your dignity in front of your wife and children... 350 00:27:48,331 --> 00:27:51,769 I took any work I could find. I spent 4 months in Starbucks, 351 00:27:51,869 --> 00:27:54,872 making coffee for kids and guys who used to work for me. 352 00:27:55,372 --> 00:27:59,676 The car we had broke down, so I just drove off the lot. 353 00:27:59,776 --> 00:28:02,813 All my friends were going to college. 354 00:28:02,913 --> 00:28:05,081 We were teaching our kids how to walk. 355 00:28:05,181 --> 00:28:09,253 I wish I could have gone to college. It felt so good just to make M.J. happy. 356 00:28:09,353 --> 00:28:12,672 When I think back to my life before that awful night, 357 00:28:12,772 --> 00:28:14,908 it's like looking at a watercolor. 358 00:28:15,158 --> 00:28:19,095 The outlines are clear, but they fade at the edges 359 00:28:19,595 --> 00:28:22,498 leaving blurs and smudges. 360 00:28:22,598 --> 00:28:25,301 Everything after that... 361 00:28:25,901 --> 00:28:27,970 is dark. 362 00:29:11,013 --> 00:29:14,016 - How long are you going for? - A couple days. 363 00:29:16,986 --> 00:29:20,022 - What was her name? - The wife? 364 00:29:20,890 --> 00:29:23,692 - Mary Jane. - And the baby? 365 00:29:23,792 --> 00:29:25,795 Madison. 366 00:29:26,729 --> 00:29:29,231 How old was she? 367 00:29:30,099 --> 00:29:32,501 She was 3 years old. 368 00:29:33,202 --> 00:29:36,772 - Look, I know what I'm doing, okay? - I know. 369 00:29:39,808 --> 00:29:43,763 - Take care. - I'll call you, all right? 370 00:29:44,013 --> 00:29:46,015 Love you. 371 00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:06,402 So this is it? 372 00:30:06,502 --> 00:30:09,940 - Second floor, the one on the left. - Can we see it? 373 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,409 Well, it's totally empty, the cops cleared it out. 374 00:30:12,509 --> 00:30:14,244 But I can show you where they were found. 375 00:30:15,044 --> 00:30:17,680 According to the coroner, Mary Jane and Madison 376 00:30:17,780 --> 00:30:22,386 were beaten and strangled to death, and then zipped inside two suitcases 377 00:30:22,486 --> 00:30:25,255 with free weights and dropped here, 378 00:30:25,355 --> 00:30:29,626 breaking a water pipe on the way down, which is noticed the next morning 379 00:30:29,726 --> 00:30:33,230 and becomes part of the reason the canal was searched the following week. 380 00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:38,000 - It's pretty public here. - I know. Crazy. 381 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,171 And then Zach and Sadie are driven 15 miles south 382 00:30:41,271 --> 00:30:44,707 and dropped in the water at Waldport, over there. 383 00:30:44,807 --> 00:30:48,379 Why drive 15 miles to dump bodies on the edge of the next town? 384 00:30:48,479 --> 00:30:50,631 Don't you find that odd? 385 00:30:50,731 --> 00:30:52,815 Maybe something in him wanted to get caught. 386 00:30:52,915 --> 00:30:56,152 - Then why'd flee? - I guess he changed his mind. 387 00:30:56,252 --> 00:30:58,354 So this is where he dropped them. 388 00:30:58,454 --> 00:31:02,024 It's not high enough to kill them outright, so they would have drowned. 389 00:31:02,124 --> 00:31:04,594 Unless the cold made them go into cardiac arrest. 390 00:31:04,694 --> 00:31:08,164 It was well below zero that night. 391 00:31:08,864 --> 00:31:12,735 - Terrible thing for him to do. - If he did it. 392 00:31:12,835 --> 00:31:16,372 - If? - He's gonna plead innocent. 393 00:31:16,472 --> 00:31:18,941 How do you know? 394 00:31:19,041 --> 00:31:22,144 - He told me. - You spoke to him? 395 00:31:22,244 --> 00:31:25,514 - I met him. - Why? 396 00:31:25,648 --> 00:31:27,851 I wanted to hear his side of the story. 397 00:31:29,518 --> 00:31:33,290 I'm not sure Christian Longo deserves to have his story heard. 398 00:31:36,192 --> 00:31:38,662 Everybody deserves to have their story heard. 399 00:31:44,033 --> 00:31:46,035 Mommy! 400 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,395 I know you did it. 401 00:32:13,495 --> 00:32:16,031 You know you did it. 402 00:32:17,066 --> 00:32:20,263 We don't need the how or why, just three little words. 403 00:32:20,363 --> 00:32:22,251 They can be spoken real quick. 404 00:32:26,976 --> 00:32:29,511 I just can't right now. 405 00:32:29,611 --> 00:32:31,647 I'm sorry. 406 00:32:45,101 --> 00:32:48,330 Chris, your letter was an extraordinary thing. 407 00:32:49,131 --> 00:32:52,668 But this story between the two of us, it's... 408 00:32:52,768 --> 00:32:54,774 it's not an article I can write. 409 00:32:58,457 --> 00:33:00,959 But it could be a book. 410 00:33:01,477 --> 00:33:02,512 Really? 411 00:33:02,612 --> 00:33:05,615 But if we're gonna write something like that together, 412 00:33:05,715 --> 00:33:08,818 it's what you tell me, not how, that's important. 413 00:33:09,618 --> 00:33:12,421 I know. It's just that... 414 00:33:12,521 --> 00:33:16,258 you speak so beautifully, you have such a mastery of words, 415 00:33:16,358 --> 00:33:18,761 and I want that. 416 00:33:19,161 --> 00:33:23,765 It inspires me. I... I need it. 417 00:33:25,301 --> 00:33:27,436 Okay. 418 00:33:27,536 --> 00:33:29,805 Let's make a trade. 419 00:33:29,905 --> 00:33:32,242 I give you a note, you answer a question. 420 00:33:36,545 --> 00:33:39,758 - Okay. - All right. 421 00:33:41,050 --> 00:33:42,983 All right, so on page 23 you write, 422 00:33:43,083 --> 00:33:46,523 "When I lost my position at the realtor's, Mary Jane thought I'd tried to get fired, 423 00:33:46,623 --> 00:33:49,292 "but I never said it was a job I didn't want." 424 00:33:49,392 --> 00:33:52,717 So that's a double negative, "never said I didn't want." 425 00:33:54,996 --> 00:33:58,367 - Okay. - It's weak, a double negative. 426 00:33:58,467 --> 00:34:01,471 In good journalism, we would write, "It was a job I wanted." 427 00:34:02,071 --> 00:34:05,475 I get it. Two negatives don't make a positive. 428 00:34:05,575 --> 00:34:07,610 Okay. 429 00:34:08,377 --> 00:34:10,612 My turn. 430 00:34:12,181 --> 00:34:14,150 Okay. 431 00:34:14,250 --> 00:34:17,820 Why did you hook up with that German girl in Mexico? 432 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,541 - How'd you know about that? - I spoke to her. 433 00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:33,435 I don't know. 434 00:34:35,237 --> 00:34:40,276 I was... I was grieving so much, 435 00:34:40,376 --> 00:34:45,515 it was as if the old Chris Longo was dead. 436 00:34:46,682 --> 00:34:48,952 But you slept with her on the first night. 437 00:34:51,353 --> 00:34:53,255 I don't know. 438 00:34:53,355 --> 00:34:55,858 That's what she says. 439 00:34:56,225 --> 00:35:00,662 Chris, did you do what you're accused of doing? 440 00:35:16,745 --> 00:35:19,948 I loved my family. 441 00:35:21,884 --> 00:35:25,487 I only wanted what was best for them. 442 00:35:32,394 --> 00:35:35,531 I'm really sorry, Mike. I can't do this right now. 443 00:35:35,631 --> 00:35:37,766 Do what? 444 00:35:40,502 --> 00:35:42,939 I can't tell you what really happened. 445 00:35:46,108 --> 00:35:48,144 Okay. 446 00:35:50,446 --> 00:35:52,314 Okay. Then... 447 00:35:52,414 --> 00:35:56,085 Then why flee to Mexico right after they were found? 448 00:35:56,185 --> 00:36:00,072 I mean, you have to understand, that makes you look incredibly guilty. 449 00:36:00,656 --> 00:36:02,658 Sometimes, 450 00:36:04,259 --> 00:36:07,863 you have to accept looking one way... 451 00:36:07,963 --> 00:36:11,456 in order to protect something more important. 452 00:36:12,634 --> 00:36:17,189 Chris, if you're hiding something from me, I will find out. 453 00:36:17,289 --> 00:36:21,210 That's what I do. I look everywhere. 454 00:36:30,686 --> 00:36:33,121 Why did you kill them? 455 00:36:45,434 --> 00:36:47,252 I didn't kill them. 456 00:37:45,527 --> 00:37:48,380 It's part true crime, but it's part mea culpa. 457 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,999 It's really about writing itself. 458 00:37:50,099 --> 00:37:52,002 And you're sure it's a full book and not an article? 459 00:37:52,102 --> 00:37:55,239 - You really feel that there's enough there? - It's a book, it is a book. 460 00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:58,464 We're not gonna find out later it's like the African story? 461 00:37:58,564 --> 00:38:01,543 You can imagine how difficult that would be for us. 462 00:38:02,077 --> 00:38:05,814 Of course, of course. And I... 463 00:38:06,515 --> 00:38:08,450 You have nothing to worry about. 464 00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:11,454 It all came at once, and I had 5 mouths to feed, 465 00:38:11,554 --> 00:38:15,491 - so I took any job I could get. - That was when you started stealing? 466 00:38:18,293 --> 00:38:20,596 You know about that? 467 00:38:20,696 --> 00:38:24,936 It was just small amounts. Food and clothes, and diapers. 468 00:38:25,036 --> 00:38:26,928 Books. 469 00:38:27,028 --> 00:38:28,654 That... 470 00:38:28,754 --> 00:38:30,974 teddy bear they found with Madison, 471 00:38:31,074 --> 00:38:34,426 with her body. That was originally Zach's. 472 00:38:34,526 --> 00:38:38,430 And it was handed down to Sadie and then to Madison. 473 00:38:38,580 --> 00:38:42,217 All because I couldn't buy new toys. 474 00:38:42,718 --> 00:38:45,854 I mean, what kind of loser can't even... 475 00:38:45,954 --> 00:38:48,557 That says more about you than anything. 476 00:38:49,157 --> 00:38:50,160 It does? 477 00:38:50,260 --> 00:38:52,915 That's exactly what I would want to use in the book. 478 00:38:53,015 --> 00:38:59,821 Chris, it's not easy to relate to someone who's accused of four murders. 479 00:39:00,869 --> 00:39:04,097 But everyone understands a child needing a toy. 480 00:39:05,474 --> 00:39:10,163 And the teddy bear ending up... It's like it died when she died. 481 00:39:11,580 --> 00:39:14,683 I never thought of it that way. 482 00:39:16,084 --> 00:39:18,145 This is my notebook from Africa. You gotta see this. 483 00:39:19,045 --> 00:39:20,989 Look. 484 00:39:26,261 --> 00:39:28,530 That's weird. 485 00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:32,869 Two men, same age, from completely different worlds, different educations, 486 00:39:32,969 --> 00:39:36,606 and yet... there's something so similar about us. 487 00:39:39,841 --> 00:39:42,778 Some of what he writes is really... 488 00:39:42,878 --> 00:39:45,113 It's moving. 489 00:39:46,381 --> 00:39:49,417 You think he's innocent, don't you? 490 00:39:50,886 --> 00:39:53,600 I don't presume anything anymore. 491 00:39:54,339 --> 00:39:57,040 I'm going to say a word, then we just write the first thing that comes to our mind. 492 00:39:57,140 --> 00:39:59,119 - Don't even think about it. - All right. 493 00:39:59,219 --> 00:40:01,963 Okay? The future. 494 00:40:02,664 --> 00:40:04,700 Future? 495 00:40:15,577 --> 00:40:18,281 I wrote "always another opportunity." 496 00:40:19,281 --> 00:40:21,483 I didn't write anything. 497 00:40:25,821 --> 00:40:28,356 All right, you try one. 498 00:40:33,929 --> 00:40:35,209 Love. 499 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,043 "Something I always screw up." 500 00:40:49,395 --> 00:40:51,880 That's depressing, but true. 501 00:40:51,980 --> 00:40:54,766 Oh, that's really weird, because... 502 00:40:54,866 --> 00:40:57,103 for "love" I wrote "Mike and Jill." 503 00:40:58,003 --> 00:40:59,304 What? 504 00:40:59,404 --> 00:41:03,141 I guess I was just looking at you and... 505 00:41:03,809 --> 00:41:06,745 I thought you were writing about her. 506 00:41:06,845 --> 00:41:09,014 Maybe you were, in a way. 507 00:41:10,682 --> 00:41:12,991 I'd have thought you would have written "M.J." 508 00:41:16,288 --> 00:41:18,323 I couldn't. 509 00:41:18,924 --> 00:41:20,959 Why not? 510 00:41:23,763 --> 00:41:26,226 It's too complicated. 511 00:41:27,098 --> 00:41:29,301 What was she like? 512 00:41:29,601 --> 00:41:31,639 Beautiful. 513 00:41:32,088 --> 00:41:35,628 Supportive. She was a great mother. 514 00:41:36,975 --> 00:41:38,910 Loyal. 515 00:41:39,010 --> 00:41:42,147 We made a pact that... 516 00:41:42,247 --> 00:41:45,250 we would never lie to each other. 517 00:41:45,350 --> 00:41:48,086 That was very important. 518 00:41:49,888 --> 00:41:52,257 You must miss her. 519 00:41:55,593 --> 00:41:57,829 Yeah. 520 00:41:58,630 --> 00:42:01,199 She was like the ocean. 521 00:42:02,233 --> 00:42:03,669 How so? 522 00:42:04,736 --> 00:42:07,038 She was deep. 523 00:42:07,138 --> 00:42:09,374 Rolling. 524 00:42:10,508 --> 00:42:13,284 Sometimes stormy. 525 00:42:14,813 --> 00:42:17,349 That's really nice. 526 00:42:18,984 --> 00:42:21,686 Let's do one more. 527 00:42:23,121 --> 00:42:25,523 All right, but they're so hard. 528 00:42:25,623 --> 00:42:28,661 It's good that it's hard. That's why it's a good exercise. 529 00:42:28,761 --> 00:42:30,795 Okay. 530 00:42:33,949 --> 00:42:35,563 "Lies." 531 00:42:37,535 --> 00:42:38,861 "Lies"? 532 00:42:57,255 --> 00:42:58,591 - I'm a liar? - Yes. 533 00:42:58,691 --> 00:43:01,093 I'm a liar? 534 00:43:01,193 --> 00:43:03,462 You stole my identity. 535 00:43:03,562 --> 00:43:07,232 I was in Mexico. I mean, who was I supposed to choose? 536 00:43:07,332 --> 00:43:09,768 I don't know. Dr. Seuss. 537 00:43:09,868 --> 00:43:12,838 No, I needed somebody that nobody knew. 538 00:43:12,938 --> 00:43:14,973 I'm sorry. 539 00:43:16,341 --> 00:43:18,990 No, it's okay. I know I'm a nobody. 540 00:43:20,178 --> 00:43:21,947 Not to me. 541 00:43:22,047 --> 00:43:25,016 You know his real name was Theodor Geisel? 542 00:43:25,417 --> 00:43:28,820 Oh, yeah. Dr. Seuss. Yeah, I knew that. 543 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,990 - You knew that? - He was born in Wisconsin. 544 00:43:32,090 --> 00:43:36,395 There's a park there, with statues of all the Dr. Seuss characters. 545 00:43:37,495 --> 00:43:39,765 You out-Seussed me. That's impressive. 546 00:43:39,865 --> 00:43:42,200 I have kids. 547 00:43:45,971 --> 00:43:49,207 We went to Seussland. 548 00:43:53,512 --> 00:43:55,847 Time to go. 549 00:43:58,350 --> 00:44:00,240 All right, buddy. 550 00:44:17,402 --> 00:44:19,822 Thanks, Mike. 551 00:44:20,871 --> 00:44:22,940 Let's go. 552 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,298 The more I dig into this thing, 553 00:44:30,398 --> 00:44:32,484 the more I think it could be the best thing I've ever worked on. 554 00:44:32,684 --> 00:44:35,452 - And do you have a title in mind? - "True Story," I think. 555 00:44:35,552 --> 00:44:38,324 True Story, right. And when do you think you might be able to get us something? 556 00:44:38,424 --> 00:44:41,478 Soon. Incredibly soon. 557 00:46:45,417 --> 00:46:48,253 Let's wrap it up, Shortstop. 558 00:46:48,686 --> 00:46:50,922 Shortstop. 559 00:46:51,189 --> 00:46:53,458 It's my nickname. 560 00:46:53,558 --> 00:46:55,126 Long-go. 561 00:46:55,226 --> 00:46:58,296 Short-stop. 562 00:47:01,466 --> 00:47:03,335 Shortstop. 563 00:47:03,435 --> 00:47:05,903 We'll give him the dedication. 564 00:47:08,073 --> 00:47:10,008 Dedicate... 565 00:47:10,108 --> 00:47:14,346 For the book. "For Shortstop." Like a wink. 566 00:47:15,913 --> 00:47:18,383 What's a wink? 567 00:47:18,583 --> 00:47:20,218 A wink is... 568 00:47:20,318 --> 00:47:24,223 when a writer puts in a secret message for someone special. 569 00:47:24,323 --> 00:47:26,724 Like a private joke. 570 00:47:27,825 --> 00:47:29,861 Cool. 571 00:47:30,295 --> 00:47:32,664 My mom will be proud. 572 00:47:37,835 --> 00:47:40,672 Chris, you know, if you're found guilty, 573 00:47:40,772 --> 00:47:42,908 I can't give you any money for the book. 574 00:47:43,108 --> 00:47:46,711 Even if I wanted to, the law wouldn't allow it. 575 00:47:47,212 --> 00:47:49,547 I understand. 576 00:47:50,482 --> 00:47:53,118 Just as long as you're not hoping I am. 577 00:47:53,218 --> 00:47:55,420 Am what? 578 00:47:56,721 --> 00:47:59,190 Found guilty. 579 00:48:14,373 --> 00:48:15,674 Thank you. 580 00:48:18,376 --> 00:48:20,211 I just got off the phone with HarperCollins. 581 00:48:20,561 --> 00:48:21,830 And? 582 00:48:21,930 --> 00:48:24,474 They offered me a $250,000 advance. 583 00:48:26,585 --> 00:48:28,488 They say it's exactly what they needed. They loved the writing. 584 00:48:28,588 --> 00:48:32,446 They're very excited, and they want me to sign up immediately. 585 00:48:35,660 --> 00:48:39,214 - And he told you the whole story? - He told me what I needed. 586 00:48:40,165 --> 00:48:41,371 Did he do it? 587 00:48:47,638 --> 00:48:50,074 I don't know. 588 00:48:54,312 --> 00:48:56,996 Hey, could you... be careful with that, please? 589 00:48:57,096 --> 00:49:00,192 - Sorry. - No, no. 590 00:49:01,554 --> 00:49:06,023 It's just that I want to send them a hard copy of the first chapters. 591 00:49:07,024 --> 00:49:10,095 - You okay? - Yeah. 592 00:49:13,931 --> 00:49:16,634 I'm glad it all worked out. 593 00:49:17,168 --> 00:49:19,771 You should be proud. 594 00:49:26,578 --> 00:49:29,380 So how have you been this week? 595 00:49:31,484 --> 00:49:32,684 I'm... 596 00:49:32,784 --> 00:49:38,364 just thinking I should plead guilty to everything, so it'll all be over. 597 00:49:39,524 --> 00:49:43,761 People are gonna think what they want to think. It doesn't matter what I say. 598 00:49:43,861 --> 00:49:48,331 Chris, come on, of all people, I know what it's like to avoid the truth. 599 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,871 But I'm smart enough to know a second chance when I see it. 600 00:49:52,971 --> 00:49:58,009 I've never admitted this to anyone, not even Jill, 601 00:50:01,012 --> 00:50:04,569 but the things that I got fired for, 602 00:50:05,983 --> 00:50:08,119 I did them. 603 00:50:08,486 --> 00:50:11,089 When I wrote that Africa story, I didn't mix up my notes. 604 00:50:11,189 --> 00:50:15,260 I didn't combine the characters by accident. 605 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,095 I knew what I was doing. 606 00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:21,782 I knew readers would care more if they thought all these things 607 00:50:21,882 --> 00:50:25,069 happened to one kid instead of five. 608 00:50:25,169 --> 00:50:27,159 And I needed people to care. 609 00:50:28,373 --> 00:50:31,977 I got so wrapped up in trying to tell a great story 610 00:50:32,077 --> 00:50:36,714 that I completely lost my obligation to the truth. 611 00:50:37,949 --> 00:50:40,518 Don't make the same mistake I made. 612 00:50:40,618 --> 00:50:45,189 If you're covering for someone, if you're lying for them, 613 00:50:45,657 --> 00:50:51,081 you may think it's easier, but it will eat away at you. 614 00:50:51,181 --> 00:50:52,665 It will destroy you. 615 00:51:00,638 --> 00:51:05,345 This is the plea hearing for the State of Oregon versus Christian Michael Longo, 616 00:51:05,445 --> 00:51:09,213 case number VRN1641. 617 00:51:10,882 --> 00:51:13,685 Is the defendant in attendance and represented? 618 00:51:13,785 --> 00:51:15,850 Yes, Your Honor. 619 00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:17,999 Would the defendant please rise? 620 00:51:23,294 --> 00:51:26,964 Mr. Longo, I will go over the charges one by one... 621 00:51:28,933 --> 00:51:31,895 in the order they were filed. 622 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:39,977 For the death of Zachary Longo, how do you plead? 623 00:51:41,613 --> 00:51:43,982 My client pleads not guilty. 624 00:51:46,351 --> 00:51:49,227 For the death of Sadie Longo, how do you plead? 625 00:51:51,856 --> 00:51:55,760 My client pleads not guilty, Your Honor. 626 00:51:55,860 --> 00:51:58,464 Hi, this is Mike Finkel. I'm calling to see if case number 641 627 00:51:58,564 --> 00:52:01,833 is out of plea hearings yet? How did it go? 628 00:52:01,933 --> 00:52:04,636 For the death of Mary Jane Longo, how do you plead? 629 00:52:08,706 --> 00:52:10,722 My client pleads guilty. 630 00:52:19,283 --> 00:52:21,949 For the death of Madison Longo, how do you plead? 631 00:52:22,620 --> 00:52:25,375 My client pleads guilty. 632 00:52:26,091 --> 00:52:27,580 Order. Order. 633 00:52:28,526 --> 00:52:30,662 Mr. Longo, 634 00:52:32,130 --> 00:52:36,334 you do realize how confusing the court will find this plea. 635 00:52:36,434 --> 00:52:39,238 And that unless you have been advised otherwise, 636 00:52:39,338 --> 00:52:42,674 you could be facing a life sentence at the very least. 637 00:52:42,774 --> 00:52:45,673 Yes, sir, I do understand that. 638 00:52:46,411 --> 00:52:49,246 Do you have any questions? 639 00:52:50,281 --> 00:52:52,917 I do not. 640 00:52:53,818 --> 00:52:56,821 But, Mike, everything you sent suggested he was pleading innocent on all counts. 641 00:52:56,921 --> 00:52:58,499 I know, I know. 642 00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:01,227 And now every news outlet in the country is covering the story, 643 00:53:01,327 --> 00:53:03,628 but you seem to be completely in the dark. 644 00:53:03,728 --> 00:53:05,597 Yes, I realize... I realize that. 645 00:53:05,697 --> 00:53:08,120 Mike, we need your word you'll get us something we can rely on. 646 00:53:08,220 --> 00:53:10,601 Without that, we have no book. 647 00:53:12,687 --> 00:53:13,722 Fuck! 648 00:53:14,172 --> 00:53:15,607 What are you doing? 649 00:53:15,707 --> 00:53:17,709 - What are you doing? - Mike... 650 00:53:17,809 --> 00:53:19,644 You told me you were innocent. 651 00:53:19,744 --> 00:53:22,448 - I'm sorry about that. - You should be fucking sorry, Chris. 652 00:53:22,548 --> 00:53:25,884 Who pleads guilty to two murders and innocent to two others? 653 00:53:25,984 --> 00:53:29,250 - Look, I... - Stupid. 654 00:53:30,556 --> 00:53:33,458 Yo, Chris, I don't understand. 655 00:53:33,558 --> 00:53:35,507 And you seem to have no interest in telling me the truth, 656 00:53:35,607 --> 00:53:37,462 so why should I believe a word that you say? 657 00:53:37,562 --> 00:53:40,932 Sometimes the truth isn't believable. That doesn't mean that it's not true. 658 00:53:41,032 --> 00:53:43,735 What the fuck are you talking about? 659 00:53:43,835 --> 00:53:48,239 Do you hear yourself? Just stop. Tell me something real! 660 00:53:48,339 --> 00:53:51,809 Mike, I would, but I can't. This isn't just about me. 661 00:53:51,909 --> 00:53:55,747 - Who? Who do you have to protect? - I can't say. 662 00:53:56,047 --> 00:53:58,284 I know better than to blindly trust my sources. 663 00:53:58,384 --> 00:54:01,152 If anybody on Earth knows that, it's me. 664 00:54:01,252 --> 00:54:03,856 But this is different, okay? This has been months. 665 00:54:03,956 --> 00:54:06,625 My whole reputation's on the line, or what's left of it anyway. 666 00:54:06,725 --> 00:54:08,926 Mike... 667 00:54:09,594 --> 00:54:12,396 you are a good friend. 668 00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:15,917 And I owe you so much. 669 00:54:16,017 --> 00:54:18,413 So, so much. 670 00:54:19,113 --> 00:54:22,473 Mike, don't give up on me. 671 00:54:23,474 --> 00:54:27,742 Writing with you has been the only thing that's kept me going. 672 00:54:28,179 --> 00:54:30,582 How did it feel to write about your family? 673 00:54:31,782 --> 00:54:33,518 It was hard. 674 00:54:38,022 --> 00:54:41,659 The trial for their murders begins tomorrow. I suggest you think about them tonight. 675 00:54:42,359 --> 00:54:45,328 I think about them every night. 676 00:54:53,538 --> 00:54:55,807 Mr. Finkel? 677 00:54:56,207 --> 00:54:57,776 My name is Greg Ganley, 678 00:54:57,876 --> 00:55:00,528 I'm an investigator with the Oregon Department of Justice. 679 00:55:00,628 --> 00:55:04,216 I'll be assisting the prosecution's office in its case against Christian Longo. 680 00:55:04,316 --> 00:55:05,251 Okay. 681 00:55:05,351 --> 00:55:07,453 I was wondering if we might be able to speak together. 682 00:55:07,553 --> 00:55:10,241 - Sure. - Great. 683 00:55:10,341 --> 00:55:12,424 You want to go somewhere quiet? More quiet? 684 00:55:12,524 --> 00:55:15,058 - Yeah. - Thanks. 685 00:55:18,062 --> 00:55:21,332 I know you've been communicating with Mr. Longo. 686 00:55:21,432 --> 00:55:23,619 Maybe he's even been candid with you 687 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,604 about matters directly related to the trial, I don't know. 688 00:55:26,704 --> 00:55:29,642 But I need to ask you for help now for our side. 689 00:55:29,742 --> 00:55:32,643 So we can get some justice here. 690 00:55:33,043 --> 00:55:35,246 Help how? 691 00:55:35,346 --> 00:55:37,715 Tell us what you and Longo have discussed. 692 00:55:37,815 --> 00:55:42,887 Let us review any letters or taped conversations between the two of you. 693 00:55:44,422 --> 00:55:48,660 I... I can't do that. I promised Chris I wouldn't. 694 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,561 Let me spell this out for you. 695 00:55:50,661 --> 00:55:55,600 Your cooperation might make the difference between him being found guilty or set free. 696 00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:58,870 Set free? What are you talking about? He pleaded guilty. 697 00:55:58,970 --> 00:56:02,040 No. We think he might be trying to confuse the jury 698 00:56:02,140 --> 00:56:04,242 as part of some bigger game plan. 699 00:56:04,342 --> 00:56:08,246 If he can sow enough doubt to force a mistrial, he's won. 700 00:56:08,346 --> 00:56:09,811 I know this doesn't make any sense right now, 701 00:56:09,911 --> 00:56:13,885 but I've seen a lot of killers in court down the years. 702 00:56:13,985 --> 00:56:18,155 Most of the time, they look like cornered foxes, wild and confused. 703 00:56:18,255 --> 00:56:21,893 Longo has this calm about him. 704 00:56:21,993 --> 00:56:24,529 He knows something. 705 00:56:25,796 --> 00:56:29,534 I believe we're dealing with an exceptionally dangerous man who has killed before, 706 00:56:29,634 --> 00:56:34,772 and he will kill again if he is allowed. So, what can you do for us? 707 00:56:42,379 --> 00:56:47,051 I'm trying to make you feel bad enough or guilty enough to talk to me. 708 00:56:47,151 --> 00:56:50,888 I'm putting the turd, so to speak, in your pocket. 709 00:56:53,624 --> 00:56:57,962 Are you really going to be the man who might set him free? 710 00:56:58,496 --> 00:57:03,100 You've done your thing. This is for the law now. 711 00:57:08,138 --> 00:57:10,641 I can't help you. 712 00:57:11,008 --> 00:57:13,444 Can I ask why? 713 00:57:13,544 --> 00:57:16,415 Is it because you don't want to share your scoop, is that it? 714 00:57:16,515 --> 00:57:19,559 You want to keep it all for yourself? 715 00:57:29,394 --> 00:57:31,528 All right. 716 00:57:32,830 --> 00:57:35,666 I said what I wanted to say. 717 00:57:41,472 --> 00:57:44,841 Why don't you give me a call if you're having trouble sleeping. 718 00:58:16,674 --> 00:58:18,743 Hello? 719 00:58:19,043 --> 00:58:23,381 Jill, hey. It's nice to meet you. 720 00:58:23,481 --> 00:58:26,484 Meet... meet your voice, anyways. 721 00:58:27,284 --> 00:58:29,403 - Chris? - Exactly. 722 00:58:29,503 --> 00:58:32,824 Hi. I was trying to reach Mike, 723 00:58:32,924 --> 00:58:35,627 but I couldn't get him on his cell phone, so... 724 00:58:36,427 --> 00:58:38,563 I was wondering if you'd take a message for me? 725 00:58:38,663 --> 00:58:40,665 Okay. 726 00:58:41,565 --> 00:58:44,038 Just tell him that my lawyer said 727 00:58:44,138 --> 00:58:48,706 he can get him a seat when the trial begins tomorrow. Okay? 728 00:58:48,806 --> 00:58:50,708 Sure. 729 00:58:50,808 --> 00:58:54,912 Great. Well, it's truly nice to talk to you, Jill. 730 00:58:55,312 --> 00:58:58,616 You know, Mike's such a... such a sweet guy. 731 00:58:58,716 --> 00:59:03,287 And he's been a... he's been a real friend to me. 732 00:59:03,904 --> 00:59:06,041 I'm sure he's like that with everyone. 733 00:59:06,191 --> 00:59:08,392 No, I think you're special. 734 00:59:08,492 --> 00:59:11,996 Yeah, well, exactly. It... 735 00:59:12,096 --> 00:59:16,434 feels like we've known each other, like, from before. 736 00:59:18,969 --> 00:59:20,871 And he really loves you. 737 00:59:20,971 --> 00:59:26,510 You know. Even if he... seems like he doesn't want to let it out. 738 00:59:26,610 --> 00:59:28,747 He told you that? 739 00:59:28,847 --> 00:59:32,149 Yeah. He tells me everything. 740 00:59:32,249 --> 00:59:35,052 Life in Finkelwood, 741 00:59:35,152 --> 00:59:38,155 his record collection, 742 00:59:38,255 --> 00:59:40,528 your old piano, 743 00:59:40,628 --> 00:59:44,395 that bathtub you bought together. 744 00:59:44,495 --> 00:59:46,231 He just goes on and on. 745 00:59:46,531 --> 00:59:50,000 It's like I'm writing the book about him, rather than him about me. 746 00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:54,471 I know he must be under a lot of pressure, though. 747 00:59:56,373 --> 01:00:00,544 It must be hard for you to have him so preoccupied like that. 748 01:00:00,644 --> 01:00:03,647 You know nothing about me. 749 01:00:06,817 --> 01:00:09,753 It feels like I do, though. 750 01:00:11,522 --> 01:00:14,558 I don't mean to make you uncomfortable. 751 01:00:14,658 --> 01:00:19,063 I just hope that we can be friends, too. 752 01:00:19,163 --> 01:00:21,099 I'd really like that. 753 01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:24,202 Mike means so much to both of us. 754 01:00:24,868 --> 01:00:30,207 Oh, my... my credit's up. Will you let him know? 755 01:00:30,307 --> 01:00:31,942 Sure. 756 01:00:32,042 --> 01:00:34,378 Thanks, Jill. 757 01:00:48,125 --> 01:00:50,512 I'm standing outside Lincoln County Courthouse, 758 01:00:50,612 --> 01:00:54,466 where prosecutors say they will seek the death penalty for Christian Longo, 759 01:00:54,566 --> 01:00:57,669 who has been charged with aggravated murder in the deaths of his wife... 760 01:01:27,965 --> 01:01:29,934 Be seated. 761 01:01:56,026 --> 01:01:58,329 December 16th. 762 01:01:58,629 --> 01:02:02,166 It's a night we're going to spend a lot of time talking about. 763 01:02:06,270 --> 01:02:10,541 It was the last night in this woman and these children's lives. 764 01:02:10,641 --> 01:02:12,760 Mary Jane Longo, 34. 765 01:02:12,860 --> 01:02:16,013 Zachary Longo, 4 years old. Sadie Longo... 766 01:02:16,113 --> 01:02:18,650 During questioning, I asked him what happened to his family. 767 01:02:18,750 --> 01:02:21,553 And he said he'd sent them to a better place. 768 01:02:21,653 --> 01:02:24,421 A better place? What do you think he meant by that? 769 01:02:24,521 --> 01:02:26,057 Do you believe that he had murdered his family? 770 01:02:26,157 --> 01:02:27,991 - That he had, or that... - Objection. 771 01:02:28,091 --> 01:02:29,159 Overruled. 772 01:02:29,259 --> 01:02:32,314 A car like that up on a bridge at 4:30 in the morning? 773 01:02:32,414 --> 01:02:36,433 I mean, I've lived up there my whole life, and that's unusual. 774 01:02:36,533 --> 01:02:38,637 Anyway, I heard a couple of splashes. 775 01:02:38,937 --> 01:02:43,603 So I called up and asked him what was going on. 776 01:02:43,703 --> 01:02:45,844 He said, "Nothing." 777 01:02:45,944 --> 01:02:49,214 - Could you recognize that man today? - Yeah... Yeah. 778 01:02:49,314 --> 01:02:51,982 Could you point to the man? 779 01:02:53,417 --> 01:02:57,304 Let the record show the witness points to the defendant. 780 01:02:57,454 --> 01:02:59,356 Do you know the defendant? 781 01:02:59,456 --> 01:03:01,864 - Yes, I do. - How do you know him? 782 01:03:01,964 --> 01:03:05,062 I am the manager at the Starbucks where he worked. 783 01:03:05,162 --> 01:03:07,965 - How long did he work for you? - About two months. 784 01:03:08,065 --> 01:03:11,804 - When was the last time you saw him? - December 17th. 785 01:03:11,904 --> 01:03:15,322 In the morning, he came in to work about an hour late. 786 01:03:15,422 --> 01:03:18,209 This was the day after the murders. 787 01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:20,779 - Yes. - Did he say anything? 788 01:03:20,879 --> 01:03:24,481 He said his wife had left him for another man. 789 01:03:24,581 --> 01:03:26,917 A reporter. 790 01:03:27,017 --> 01:03:30,167 - How did he seem? - The same as always. 791 01:03:30,267 --> 01:03:32,489 Very calm. 792 01:03:32,589 --> 01:03:34,625 Very remote. 793 01:03:34,725 --> 01:03:38,462 You say you know the defendant. When did you last see him? 794 01:03:38,562 --> 01:03:39,852 December 19th. 795 01:03:39,952 --> 01:03:42,611 December 19th. 2 days after the murder? 796 01:03:42,711 --> 01:03:44,636 - Yes. - What was he doing? 797 01:03:44,736 --> 01:03:46,103 Playing basketball. 798 01:03:46,203 --> 01:03:48,974 He was playing basketball 2 days after his wife and children were murdered? 799 01:03:49,074 --> 01:03:50,308 Yeah. We attend the same gym. 800 01:03:50,408 --> 01:03:52,775 Neither of the children's bodies displayed any evidence 801 01:03:52,875 --> 01:03:54,619 of having struggled with an attacker, 802 01:03:54,719 --> 01:03:57,849 which suggests they likely knew and trusted their killer. 803 01:04:00,584 --> 01:04:05,055 Both Zachary and Sadie had Play-Doh under their fingernails. 804 01:04:06,223 --> 01:04:10,127 Sadie's toenails were painted with a pearlescent polish, 805 01:04:10,227 --> 01:04:13,470 the same as on Mary Jane's toes. 806 01:04:14,081 --> 01:04:16,984 They likely painted them together. 807 01:04:19,002 --> 01:04:21,505 Madison... 808 01:04:21,605 --> 01:04:24,541 was found in the suitcase. 809 01:04:26,310 --> 01:04:29,915 Tiny scratch marks here indicate 810 01:04:30,015 --> 01:04:34,385 Madison must have come around at some point before she drowned. 811 01:04:34,485 --> 01:04:39,123 Dozens of facial capillaries burst as she struggled for air. 812 01:04:39,223 --> 01:04:42,292 Mary Jane's body was found in this suitcase. 813 01:04:42,392 --> 01:04:45,563 This was a violent and frenzied act. 814 01:04:45,863 --> 01:04:48,232 A ferocious attack. 815 01:04:48,332 --> 01:04:50,768 Her neck has been broken. 816 01:04:50,868 --> 01:04:53,104 Though this looks like it may have happened after she died, 817 01:04:53,204 --> 01:04:56,333 when she was forced into the suitcase. 818 01:04:57,241 --> 01:05:00,344 The prosecution rests, Your Honor. 819 01:05:01,078 --> 01:05:04,148 Then we shall begin with the defense's first witness, 820 01:05:04,248 --> 01:05:07,518 Christian Longo, tomorrow morning. 821 01:05:07,618 --> 01:05:11,021 This court is hereby adjourned until 10:00 a.m. tomorrow. 822 01:05:20,130 --> 01:05:23,249 - I'm very sorry. - For what? 823 01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:25,903 This must be an incredibly difficult day for your family. 824 01:05:26,003 --> 01:05:29,840 Why are you talking to me? Do you need this scene for your book or something? 825 01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:33,411 - No, not at all. - But you're still writing it? 826 01:05:34,878 --> 01:05:37,190 - I have a commission I have to honor. - You had a choice 827 01:05:37,290 --> 01:05:40,785 of so many stories to tell, and you chose his. 828 01:05:41,135 --> 01:05:44,071 Actually, he picked me. 829 01:05:44,521 --> 01:05:49,126 You pick your wedding day, Mr. Finkel, your children's names. 830 01:05:49,226 --> 01:05:53,130 The important things. He didn't pick you. He used you. 831 01:05:53,730 --> 01:05:56,566 Oh, God. 832 01:07:28,759 --> 01:07:32,162 So, the night of the 15th, 833 01:07:32,262 --> 01:07:37,168 you were honest with her about your debts for the first time? 834 01:07:37,868 --> 01:07:41,405 Maybe it was too much all at once like that, but... 835 01:07:41,505 --> 01:07:43,607 yes, I told her everything. 836 01:07:43,707 --> 01:07:47,677 She had tears in her eyes. 837 01:07:47,777 --> 01:07:51,916 But I intended to put it all out into the open. 838 01:07:52,516 --> 01:07:54,418 Go on. 839 01:07:54,518 --> 01:07:56,403 So I told her. 840 01:07:56,503 --> 01:07:59,724 I told her that we weren't paid up on the condo. 841 01:07:59,824 --> 01:08:01,692 And that we'd have to move again. 842 01:08:01,792 --> 01:08:06,030 About the credit cards that I'd gotten by forging her father's signature. 843 01:08:06,130 --> 01:08:09,734 About the counterfeit checks. About stealing the van. 844 01:08:10,534 --> 01:08:12,836 I think that hurt her the most. 845 01:08:12,936 --> 01:08:18,174 I'd given it to her for our anniversary. 846 01:08:19,276 --> 01:08:21,211 She'd always wanted one. 847 01:08:21,311 --> 01:08:24,681 How did she react when you told her? 848 01:08:25,415 --> 01:08:28,118 She was pretty shaken up. 849 01:08:28,218 --> 01:08:31,355 When I told her about the van, she hit me. 850 01:08:31,455 --> 01:08:34,725 She was screaming that I should get out and leave her alone. 851 01:08:34,825 --> 01:08:37,161 I'd never seen her like that. 852 01:08:38,161 --> 01:08:41,356 Zach and Sadie were asleep in the living room, and... 853 01:08:41,456 --> 01:08:44,335 so I just went and joined them. 854 01:08:44,435 --> 01:08:47,038 When I woke up, it was morning. 855 01:08:47,138 --> 01:08:52,175 I made the kids breakfast. I went in to check on MaryJane. 856 01:08:53,577 --> 01:08:57,247 She was asleep with Maddie. 857 01:08:57,347 --> 01:09:00,284 When I woke her, she pushed past me and went into the bathroom. 858 01:09:00,784 --> 01:09:03,821 So I took Maddie and sat with her in the living room with the kids. 859 01:09:04,256 --> 01:09:06,061 We... 860 01:09:06,161 --> 01:09:09,465 made some animals out of Play-Doh. 861 01:09:12,946 --> 01:09:16,768 And then it was getting close to the time I was supposed to be at work. 862 01:09:16,868 --> 01:09:20,370 So I offered to call in sick, 863 01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:24,308 but Mary Jane said I had to go because we were in such a deep hole, 864 01:09:24,408 --> 01:09:26,843 we couldn't afford any more sick days. So... 865 01:09:26,943 --> 01:09:30,014 she got dressed and drove me to work. 866 01:09:30,614 --> 01:09:32,516 And... 867 01:09:32,616 --> 01:09:34,485 I worried about her all day. 868 01:09:34,785 --> 01:09:37,788 But when I got home, late, 869 01:09:39,756 --> 01:09:42,259 the door was open. 870 01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:44,928 She was inside. 871 01:09:45,028 --> 01:09:47,831 She was wearing just her robe. 872 01:09:48,899 --> 01:09:51,985 And she wouldn't speak. 873 01:09:52,936 --> 01:09:55,406 And then she collapsed. 874 01:09:56,006 --> 01:09:58,675 I asked her what was wrong. 875 01:09:58,775 --> 01:10:00,811 And I was actually 876 01:10:00,911 --> 01:10:03,948 getting irritated because she wouldn't answer. 877 01:10:04,048 --> 01:10:05,816 She was just sobbing. 878 01:10:06,516 --> 01:10:11,846 So I went into the bedroom to change, 879 01:10:12,789 --> 01:10:15,392 and that's... 880 01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:18,762 That's when I saw Madison. 881 01:10:19,112 --> 01:10:21,765 She was... 882 01:10:21,865 --> 01:10:23,834 tangled in the sheets. 883 01:10:23,934 --> 01:10:27,704 She looked sick. Purplish. 884 01:10:27,804 --> 01:10:30,107 She wasn't moving. 885 01:10:30,207 --> 01:10:34,746 So, I went over and sort of jostled her. 886 01:10:34,846 --> 01:10:37,547 That's when I discovered that she was cold to the touch. 887 01:10:37,947 --> 01:10:40,302 Very cold. 888 01:10:41,084 --> 01:10:42,520 And I couldn't... 889 01:10:42,620 --> 01:10:45,622 I couldn't believe what was happening. 890 01:10:45,922 --> 01:10:47,791 I ran into the living room. 891 01:10:48,091 --> 01:10:51,061 I grabbed Mary Jane and lifted her to her feet. 892 01:10:51,161 --> 01:10:53,730 And I was... I was yelling, 893 01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:57,034 "What happened to Maddie? What... What's wrong with her?" 894 01:11:01,104 --> 01:11:07,444 And that's when I realized... what about Zach and Sadie? 895 01:11:07,544 --> 01:11:12,116 And when I said their names out loud, Mary Jane got hysterical. 896 01:11:12,216 --> 01:11:15,453 She started hitting me with her fists. 897 01:11:15,553 --> 01:11:17,855 And I was saying, 898 01:11:17,955 --> 01:11:21,658 "You have to control yourself. You have to tell me what happened." 899 01:11:21,958 --> 01:11:24,694 I was just trying to shake her. 900 01:11:25,929 --> 01:11:28,634 She looked me right in the eye. 901 01:11:29,232 --> 01:11:31,768 And she said, 902 01:11:32,235 --> 01:11:34,489 "You did this. 903 01:11:35,105 --> 01:11:37,812 "This is your fault." 904 01:11:39,342 --> 01:11:43,113 And I didn't know what she was talking about. 905 01:11:44,481 --> 01:11:47,450 And then she said, 906 01:11:48,351 --> 01:11:50,854 "You did this. 907 01:11:51,388 --> 01:11:54,090 "You killed us." 908 01:11:56,759 --> 01:11:59,397 So, I had her up against the wall 909 01:11:59,497 --> 01:12:04,000 and I was just trying to get her to tell me where the kids were. 910 01:12:04,701 --> 01:12:06,903 I was shoving her, 911 01:12:07,003 --> 01:12:10,473 just trying to force her to tell me. 912 01:12:12,609 --> 01:12:16,746 But you know I... I lost control and... 913 01:12:16,846 --> 01:12:19,482 I was so angry. 914 01:12:20,517 --> 01:12:22,952 What did she say? 915 01:12:28,758 --> 01:12:31,093 She said... 916 01:12:32,062 --> 01:12:33,641 they were in the water. 917 01:12:38,768 --> 01:12:41,237 Order, please. 918 01:12:45,175 --> 01:12:48,178 She said they were in the bay. 919 01:12:48,278 --> 01:12:51,981 And she slumped to the floor. 920 01:12:53,683 --> 01:12:55,819 I... 921 01:12:56,219 --> 01:12:59,789 picked her up by her throat. 922 01:13:00,423 --> 01:13:04,127 She grabbed my forearm. 923 01:13:04,561 --> 01:13:07,516 But she let me do it. 924 01:13:10,667 --> 01:13:14,065 And I know that's how she died. 925 01:13:18,675 --> 01:13:20,659 What did you do then? 926 01:13:21,644 --> 01:13:24,581 I went and got the... 927 01:13:24,681 --> 01:13:29,018 big suitcase and a little suitcase. 928 01:13:29,352 --> 01:13:32,856 And I put Mary Jane in the big suitcase. 929 01:13:32,956 --> 01:13:36,693 And I intended to do the same with Madison... 930 01:13:38,995 --> 01:13:45,213 when my heart stopped. Because she was still breathing. 931 01:13:46,469 --> 01:13:49,045 Not very well, but she was. 932 01:13:51,007 --> 01:13:54,143 So I laid her down. 933 01:13:56,246 --> 01:13:57,797 And... 934 01:13:58,381 --> 01:14:03,652 even though she was breathing, I... considered her already dead. 935 01:14:04,387 --> 01:14:07,791 There was nothing I could do for her. 936 01:14:07,891 --> 01:14:09,826 Nothing. 937 01:14:10,076 --> 01:14:12,479 So I... 938 01:14:13,029 --> 01:14:16,032 put my hand over her... 939 01:14:16,132 --> 01:14:18,401 little neck. 940 01:14:18,735 --> 01:14:20,904 And I squeezed. 941 01:14:26,242 --> 01:14:29,612 I could feel the life going out of her. 942 01:14:33,383 --> 01:14:36,653 And then she breathed again. 943 01:14:37,153 --> 01:14:40,089 So I squeezed harder. 944 01:14:45,396 --> 01:14:49,632 And then... I realized I couldn't... 945 01:14:49,732 --> 01:14:54,371 I couldn't put her in the suitcase like that. It was too big. 946 01:14:56,172 --> 01:14:59,203 I just wanted her to be comfortable. 947 01:15:00,910 --> 01:15:05,081 So I... I lay in some of her clothes. 948 01:15:05,181 --> 01:15:08,351 I put in all her favorite things. 949 01:15:08,451 --> 01:15:12,722 All the things that would make her happy. 950 01:15:13,056 --> 01:15:16,392 And her favorite teddy bear. 951 01:15:18,561 --> 01:15:23,666 It was almost like the teddy bear died when she died. 952 01:15:26,636 --> 01:15:29,940 And then I took the suitcases out to the bay and I... 953 01:15:30,940 --> 01:15:33,743 put them in the water. 954 01:15:34,077 --> 01:15:36,379 And I drove to the bridge. 955 01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,349 And I just... 956 01:15:39,449 --> 01:15:44,087 I just stayed there, thinking about my children. 957 01:15:50,093 --> 01:15:52,562 Why do you think she would do this? 958 01:15:52,662 --> 01:15:56,817 Why not just take the kids and leave? 959 01:16:00,336 --> 01:16:03,139 She told me once... 960 01:16:03,239 --> 01:16:07,248 that if I ever left her, she wouldn't be able to go on. 961 01:16:08,344 --> 01:16:11,915 And so by doing this... 962 01:16:12,015 --> 01:16:15,319 maybe she was trying to show me how much I meant to her. 963 01:16:16,219 --> 01:16:19,622 Maybe she thought she could make something good 964 01:16:19,722 --> 01:16:23,059 out of two things that were bad. 965 01:16:27,197 --> 01:16:29,366 Like a double negative. 966 01:16:36,739 --> 01:16:39,075 The defense rests. 967 01:16:41,077 --> 01:16:43,346 Court adjourned. 968 01:17:08,438 --> 01:17:11,975 I have something for you. It's my correspondence from Longo. 969 01:17:12,675 --> 01:17:14,610 Look. 970 01:17:14,710 --> 01:17:18,118 I have over 100 letters back home. This one was over 80 pages. 971 01:17:18,218 --> 01:17:19,770 You should submit this. 972 01:17:21,951 --> 01:17:24,487 - Did you write back? - Sometimes. 973 01:17:24,687 --> 01:17:26,118 Pen pals. 974 01:17:27,223 --> 01:17:30,694 You might want to look after them. You're gonna need them for that book. 975 01:17:30,794 --> 01:17:33,263 This is material evidence. 976 01:17:33,363 --> 01:17:36,966 You want to see what material evidence looks like, you come by my office. 977 01:17:37,066 --> 01:17:39,519 But you can put that away. It's done. 978 01:17:39,619 --> 01:17:42,640 If you had legally compelled me to testify, you would have had this. 979 01:17:42,740 --> 01:17:45,208 It could have influenced the jury. 980 01:17:45,708 --> 01:17:48,144 Yeah, I know. 981 01:17:48,644 --> 01:17:53,188 If they find for manslaughter, he might be out in a few years. 982 01:17:54,718 --> 01:17:59,641 But in the end, you wouldn't have made a very good witness, credibility-wise. 983 01:18:00,723 --> 01:18:02,759 You've been through a sort of... 984 01:18:02,859 --> 01:18:04,994 trial of your own recently. 985 01:18:05,094 --> 01:18:08,123 And the verdict was you're a liar. 986 01:18:11,367 --> 01:18:15,371 We better hope the jury comes to the same conclusion about him. 987 01:18:47,537 --> 01:18:50,472 I thought you'd be taller. 988 01:18:51,540 --> 01:18:53,209 Why? 989 01:18:53,309 --> 01:18:55,212 I don't know. 990 01:18:55,312 --> 01:18:58,314 Maybe because he looks up to you. 991 01:18:58,414 --> 01:19:01,984 No. I look up to him. 992 01:19:06,422 --> 01:19:09,458 Is it too cold for you in here? 993 01:19:09,558 --> 01:19:12,428 No, I'm fine. 994 01:19:14,197 --> 01:19:16,345 Is... Is he okay? 995 01:19:18,901 --> 01:19:21,138 I was hoping you could tell me. 996 01:19:22,705 --> 01:19:26,109 Well, we don't talk as much anymore. 997 01:19:26,209 --> 01:19:29,011 That's two of us. 998 01:19:32,815 --> 01:19:36,085 I haven't seen a woman in so long. 999 01:19:36,185 --> 01:19:38,621 Looking at you is... 1000 01:19:38,721 --> 01:19:40,741 like seeing the ocean. 1001 01:19:41,591 --> 01:19:43,336 I'm more of a pond, I think. 1002 01:19:47,597 --> 01:19:50,566 Can I play you something? 1003 01:20:06,249 --> 01:20:09,785 "Se la mia morte brami." 1004 01:20:10,987 --> 01:20:14,323 "If you crave my death." 1005 01:20:16,359 --> 01:20:19,996 Carlo Gesualdo wrote it in 1611, 1006 01:20:20,096 --> 01:20:24,166 a few years after killing his wife and newborn son. 1007 01:20:26,135 --> 01:20:28,004 His wife had a lover. 1008 01:20:28,104 --> 01:20:30,990 So he tracked them down with a hunting knife. 1009 01:20:31,090 --> 01:20:35,545 He stabbed her many, many times all over her body. 1010 01:20:35,645 --> 01:20:38,431 And as she was bleeding to death on the floor, 1011 01:20:38,531 --> 01:20:41,518 he forced the lover to strip her naked, 1012 01:20:41,618 --> 01:20:46,097 put on her bloody nightdress and humiliate himself. 1013 01:20:47,056 --> 01:20:50,059 Before shooting him in the head. 1014 01:20:51,694 --> 01:20:54,464 Then he went upstairs 1015 01:20:54,564 --> 01:20:59,942 and beat his infant son to death against the side of his crib. 1016 01:21:01,437 --> 01:21:05,442 That music is almost beautiful enough to make me forget him, 1017 01:21:05,542 --> 01:21:08,868 listening to something written by a man who... 1018 01:21:08,968 --> 01:21:13,709 broke his baby's skull on a piece of furniture. 1019 01:21:16,185 --> 01:21:18,554 But not quite. 1020 01:21:23,326 --> 01:21:26,729 You see, Mike wants to try and understand you. 1021 01:21:26,829 --> 01:21:29,297 I think he believes that if he can understand you, 1022 01:21:29,397 --> 01:21:32,336 then maybe he can understand himself. 1023 01:21:33,236 --> 01:21:37,040 But I don't want to understand you at all. 1024 01:21:37,340 --> 01:21:39,976 You're a murderer. 1025 01:21:40,076 --> 01:21:43,146 You kill women and children. 1026 01:21:43,846 --> 01:21:47,370 You're a narcissist who resents every single second of attention 1027 01:21:47,470 --> 01:21:49,911 not given to you. 1028 01:21:50,453 --> 01:21:53,239 I'm here to tell you that whatever else is coming to you, 1029 01:21:53,339 --> 01:21:56,041 you will never... 1030 01:21:56,141 --> 01:21:59,733 ever escape what you are. 1031 01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,220 Members of the jury, have you come to a verdict 1032 01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:17,814 in the case of the State of Oregon against the defendant, Christian Michael Longo? 1033 01:22:17,914 --> 01:22:19,550 We have, Your Honor. 1034 01:22:19,650 --> 01:22:23,419 Clerk of the court, let the verdict be submitted. 1035 01:22:23,519 --> 01:22:27,657 For the murder of Sadie Longo, how do you find the defendant? 1036 01:22:27,757 --> 01:22:29,725 Guilty, Your Honor. 1037 01:22:29,825 --> 01:22:33,729 And for the murder of Zachary Longo, how do you find the defendant? 1038 01:22:33,829 --> 01:22:36,099 Guilty, Your Honor. 1039 01:22:36,199 --> 01:22:40,904 For the murder of Mary Jane Longo, should the defendant receive a sentence of death? 1040 01:22:41,004 --> 01:22:45,040 To this question, the jury has answered yes. 1041 01:22:45,309 --> 01:22:48,777 For the murder of Madison Longo, Zachary Longo, and Sadie Longo, 1042 01:22:48,877 --> 01:22:52,381 to this question, the jury has answered yes. 1043 01:22:52,881 --> 01:22:54,633 The jury is dismissed. 1044 01:22:59,705 --> 01:23:01,457 Okay. 1045 01:23:01,557 --> 01:23:04,650 It's done. I'll be outside. 1046 01:23:08,064 --> 01:23:10,167 Order. 1047 01:23:10,667 --> 01:23:12,735 Order. 1048 01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:18,497 Mr. Longo, 1049 01:23:19,809 --> 01:23:23,341 you had the opportunity to spare the relatives of your victims 1050 01:23:23,441 --> 01:23:28,340 further pain by admitting the true extent of your crime. 1051 01:23:29,819 --> 01:23:34,490 Instead, you manipulated this court like you manipulated your family 1052 01:23:34,590 --> 01:23:38,494 despite the overwhelming evidence against you. 1053 01:23:40,829 --> 01:23:42,747 Blaming your wife 1054 01:23:42,847 --> 01:23:45,735 for killing her own children 1055 01:23:45,835 --> 01:23:51,207 was a grotesque betrayal, both of her and her memory. 1056 01:23:51,807 --> 01:23:56,111 You must have realized no one would believe you. 1057 01:23:58,114 --> 01:24:01,294 Quite frankly, you are a mystery to me. 1058 01:24:02,885 --> 01:24:06,955 And, God willing, you will remain so. 1059 01:24:08,023 --> 01:24:12,662 I therefore place you in the custody of the Oregon Department of Corrections 1060 01:24:12,762 --> 01:24:17,700 for transport to death row at the Oregon State Penitentiary. 1061 01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:19,803 Court is adjourned. 1062 01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:46,440 I knew you'd come. 1063 01:26:48,551 --> 01:26:50,386 You look good. 1064 01:26:52,155 --> 01:26:54,723 I'm still writing. 1065 01:26:55,191 --> 01:26:57,960 Nobody wrote me back at first, which hurt. 1066 01:26:58,060 --> 01:27:01,274 And I must be getting better, because... 1067 01:27:01,374 --> 01:27:04,129 I've had two marriage proposals. 1068 01:27:04,229 --> 01:27:06,869 Good luck with that. 1069 01:27:07,269 --> 01:27:12,174 The only good thing that came out of all this is that I got to meet you. 1070 01:27:12,274 --> 01:27:15,177 And I even screwed that up. 1071 01:27:15,277 --> 01:27:17,813 I regret that. 1072 01:27:17,913 --> 01:27:19,849 Me, too. 1073 01:27:21,116 --> 01:27:23,319 Yeah. 1074 01:27:23,419 --> 01:27:26,075 Is that why you wrote to me? 1075 01:27:29,392 --> 01:27:33,095 You're ready? To tell the truth? 1076 01:27:41,671 --> 01:27:44,439 I did it. 1077 01:27:46,475 --> 01:27:49,511 I killed Mary Jane. 1078 01:27:50,713 --> 01:27:55,484 When I got there that night, she was straddling the bed 1079 01:27:55,584 --> 01:28:00,456 and she was pushing a pillow down towards the mattress. 1080 01:28:00,556 --> 01:28:04,293 Underneath, I saw Madison. Fighting. 1081 01:28:04,393 --> 01:28:06,029 I don't know why she was doing it, 1082 01:28:06,129 --> 01:28:09,465 but I was furious that she was taking it out on our daughter. 1083 01:28:09,565 --> 01:28:13,703 And then I snapped. I went crazy, Mike. 1084 01:28:13,803 --> 01:28:18,441 I must have killed Zach and Sadie, but I don't remember. 1085 01:28:18,541 --> 01:28:20,710 I... I don't remember anything. 1086 01:28:20,810 --> 01:28:24,414 I don't even know which one I killed first. 1087 01:28:24,514 --> 01:28:26,628 It's just a blank. 1088 01:28:26,728 --> 01:28:29,018 The first thing I remember is waking up in the airport. 1089 01:28:29,118 --> 01:28:31,187 You blacked out? 1090 01:28:31,287 --> 01:28:33,690 You know, that can count as temporary insanity. 1091 01:28:34,290 --> 01:28:37,060 Well, I have a new lawyer. He's filing an appeal. 1092 01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:40,380 It's powerful. But it makes no sense. 1093 01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:43,901 Even if Mary Jane had wanted to kill Madison, she would've had the entire day. 1094 01:28:44,001 --> 01:28:47,070 Why would she wait for you to get home so you could catch her in the act? 1095 01:28:47,170 --> 01:28:50,874 Either she's calculating or she's out of her mind. You can't have it both ways. 1096 01:28:50,974 --> 01:28:54,076 The only thing that makes sense is a break-in. 1097 01:28:54,176 --> 01:28:57,947 You came home, you found everyone dead, you panicked. 1098 01:28:58,047 --> 01:28:59,849 You thought someone was trying to frame you. 1099 01:28:59,949 --> 01:29:02,919 So you dumped the bodies and you went on the run. 1100 01:29:03,019 --> 01:29:07,089 But somebody else killed them. Is that possible? 1101 01:29:07,189 --> 01:29:08,930 Maybe. 1102 01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:10,560 No, it's not. 1103 01:29:10,660 --> 01:29:15,798 None of those stories hold water because they're all fucking lies. 1104 01:29:16,365 --> 01:29:21,036 You killed them, you sick fuck. You killed all of them. 1105 01:29:21,136 --> 01:29:23,473 Your lawyer called me for the appeal. 1106 01:29:23,573 --> 01:29:26,125 He asked me to be a character reference for you. 1107 01:29:26,225 --> 01:29:29,044 The first thing I tell the judge is look out for the lies. 1108 01:29:29,544 --> 01:29:31,614 Look out for temporary insanity. 1109 01:29:31,714 --> 01:29:35,050 Look out for self-defense. Look out for intruder. 1110 01:29:35,150 --> 01:29:40,088 Look out for every wet-eyed piece of bullshit he serves up. 1111 01:29:45,293 --> 01:29:47,830 How's the book, Mike? 1112 01:29:48,964 --> 01:29:50,860 How are the sales? 1113 01:29:54,870 --> 01:29:58,607 You didn't have to finish it. But you did. 1114 01:29:58,707 --> 01:30:01,844 Because you couldn't help yourself. 1115 01:30:03,646 --> 01:30:07,016 - We're not so different. - Yes, we are. 1116 01:30:07,516 --> 01:30:12,455 All these stories... you know what? No one's listening anymore. 1117 01:30:12,555 --> 01:30:15,023 One person is. 1118 01:30:15,123 --> 01:30:17,526 You, Mike. 1119 01:30:18,026 --> 01:30:22,031 I'm the most important thing that ever happened to you. 1120 01:30:22,431 --> 01:30:24,734 From now on, you'll just be the guy 1121 01:30:24,834 --> 01:30:27,970 who talked to the guy who killed his family. 1122 01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:30,539 And that's it. 1123 01:30:32,174 --> 01:30:37,180 And if I ever open my mouth, you'll just come running. 1124 01:31:01,036 --> 01:31:02,938 "I hated him. 1125 01:31:03,038 --> 01:31:05,869 "I hated him in the intense way that you can only hate someone 1126 01:31:05,969 --> 01:31:08,511 "who you truly care about. 1127 01:31:08,611 --> 01:31:10,846 "I'd been fascinated by Longo. 1128 01:31:10,946 --> 01:31:13,782 "And also been fooled by him. 1129 01:31:13,882 --> 01:31:16,386 "He was gone, condemned to die. 1130 01:31:16,486 --> 01:31:19,288 "And I had the sense of having survived something. 1131 01:31:19,388 --> 01:31:21,457 "A storm of sorts. 1132 01:31:21,557 --> 01:31:26,595 "But although I was alive and intact, that was all I'd been left with." 1133 01:31:27,195 --> 01:31:29,223 Thank you. 1134 01:31:34,169 --> 01:31:38,057 If we could, Mr. Finkel, your publishers promised us a Q and A. 1135 01:31:38,157 --> 01:31:41,451 I know there are a lot of folks with questions. Isn't that right? 1136 01:31:41,551 --> 01:31:42,578 Yes? 1137 01:31:42,678 --> 01:31:46,382 Mr. Finkel, do you think he'll kill again, like in prison maybe? 1138 01:31:47,383 --> 01:31:48,818 I doubt it. He's locked up. 1139 01:31:49,118 --> 01:31:53,722 Will they have to restrain him? With straps and stuff? 1140 01:31:54,022 --> 01:31:56,024 No. 1141 01:31:56,425 --> 01:32:01,324 Where would you place him on a list of comparable killers, Mr. Finkel? 1142 01:32:01,897 --> 01:32:04,733 Like Ted Bundy? Ed Gein, say? 1143 01:32:04,833 --> 01:32:07,202 Mr. Finkel, 1144 01:32:07,302 --> 01:32:09,872 may I ask you something? 1145 01:32:16,929 --> 01:32:19,465 Do you ever regret contacting him? 1146 01:32:21,750 --> 01:32:23,552 What do you mean? 1147 01:32:23,652 --> 01:32:28,256 Well, it seems to me that Christian Longo has lost his liberty, but... 1148 01:32:28,356 --> 01:32:30,126 hearing you read today, 1149 01:32:30,226 --> 01:32:33,630 I was just wondering what you might have lost as well.