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MAN: They had a perfect moment in time.

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That's as much as that cliff
was going to give them.

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I'm glad that she got in her car
and drove off.

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Because if she would have hung out
any longer,

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it was like the entire mountain
was going to fall on top of her.

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That cliff had it out for them
or something.

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I don't know what it was but it just
didn't end well for the Boenishes.

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Nothing happens by chance.

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Every single thing that ever happens,
happens for a reason.

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Happens due to the law of the universe.

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And it's just incumbent upon me

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to figure out enough
what those laws are and obey those laws.

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I feel that when I jump off a cliff,

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I'm obeying those laws of the universe,
including gravity.

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- Ready?
- WOMAN: I'm ready.

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OK. Four, three, two, one, go.

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We've moved over to the mid-point
of our newsroom

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to get away from
the mainstream news of the day

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and look at some more unusual things
going on.

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Of course, I have been the one

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with the more unusual things going on
for most of the day.

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One of them is the growing fad
of parachuting from skyscrapers.

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Especially here in Los Angeles. And you
pursued that yesterday afternoon.

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MAN: Downtown Los Angeles is a natural
for this sort of thing.

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In particular, the high-rise
construction boom is a big attraction.

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Because the unfinished buildings
usually have little security,

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jumpers can make it secretly
to the top and make theirjumps.

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Not too many years ago, this sport
wouldn't have worked in Los Angeles

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because there were no true
high-rise buildings.

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But now several buildings
are above 50 stories tall

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and skyscraper skydiving is a big sport.
It is also illegal.

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MAN: We almost feel like we're
astronauts walking on the moon.

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It just gives us a feeling of power
and of joy.

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We want to share it with the world
but every time we try to,

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people can't relate because,
in a sense, it's out of their realm.

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When I first started this story,
I thought that's a crazy thing.

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Why would anyone want to do that?

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But after talking for a while
with those people

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and hearing the thrill they get from it,

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I have to admit it's a little tempting.

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- No!
- Only a little, but it is.

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- Doofus!
- (LAUGHS)

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My guest's name rhymes with Danish.
His name is Carl Boenish.

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You are a cinematographer, A,
but you are, B, a cliff jumper.

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I want to say that again
so people know I meant to say it.

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Cliff jumper. You jump off cliffs, Carl.
You do do that?

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Yes, I do, Pat.

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CARL: One of my mottos is
there's no future in growing up.

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I just never want to grow up.

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Most people, I guess they grow old.
I don't want to grow old or grow up.

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(WOMAN LAUGHS)

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I don't want to be childish.

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But I think there are a lot of virtues
in being childlike.

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Because if you study a child, he hasn't
been taught what he can't do.

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- WOMAN: We all do a lot of praying.
- MAN: You do pray?

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CARL: I think a lot of this comes
from a metaphysical basis, even.

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A spiritual basis.

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I think that the biggest aspect to why
I do this is for rejuvenation.

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Because if I can master these goals, it
improves every other department in life.

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I think that if a group of people
can watch me jump off a building

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and be successful, they can say,
"Well, I probably don't want to do that

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but maybe I could bowl
that perfect 300 game."

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LONG: He was a guy that was everything
and everywhere all at once.

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And he had this crazy infectious
enthusiasm. And he would laugh.

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And he would fly over to the piano
and play some classical riffs

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and then he would talk about
quantum mechanics.

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And then he would get a little weepy

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and then he'd wax nostalgic
about some job that he had.

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Then we'd go out
and jump on the trampoline.

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It was like a stream of consciousness.

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Half from hell and half from, you know,
some better world somewhere.

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I mean, it was really an interesting
kind of thing being around this guy.

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WOMAN: Our father's name was Carl.

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And Ronnie was Carl,
so at home, we always called him Ronnie.

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My brother got polio
from a polio vaccine.

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They weren't sure he was going to live.

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MAN: But he survived it.

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And for his recovery he was in
a wheelchair and couldn't walk.

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His legs were really weak.

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So he spent his time
playing the piano.

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PRICE: When he had polio, he missed
a whole year of elementary school.

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But once he finally got cleared
and could go back to school,

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he challenged every boy in his class
one at a time

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until he could beat them
in a foot race.

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And he beat every one of them.

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He talked to me a lot about
his birth mother leaving.

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And I think that touched him deeply.

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Then he was in high school
and he was, you know,

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very intellectual
and always doing his calculus.

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BOB: So he had just finished college
when I was born

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and started working for Hughes Aircraft
as an electrical engineer.

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WENTZEL: Once he got into skydiving
he just changed.

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They're always pulling you in.
You're part of a group.

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You have to fly together.
So he changed completely.

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WOMAN: You used to be an engineer.
Pretty safe, secure type job.

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When and how did you make
the decision to give that all up

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and go into doing this,
what you like to do, full time?

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It's funny.
My boss at Hughes Aircraft told me,

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"Carl, the man who knows how
will always have a job."

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"The man who knows why
will be his boss."

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And at that time I knew how to design
electrical circuits.

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I knew how to skydive.

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But I knew why to skydive

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much better than I knew
why the electronic circuits worked.

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OK, new sheet of paper.
New heading entitled The <i>Gypsy</i> Moths.

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PRICE:
He was working at Hughes Aircraft.

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And he got the opportunity
to do <i>Gypsy</i> Moths.

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And that was a big MGM production.

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CARL: I was asked by MGM

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to be in charge of the aerial free-fall
filming sequences.

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MAN: John Frankenheimer,

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the director who created
the excitement of <i>Grand Prix,</i>

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now captures the drama and spectacle

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of the death-defying game called
skydiving in The <i>Gypsy</i> Moths.

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So he went and took the <i>Gypsy</i> Moths job

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and that was the end
of his electrical engineering career.

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CARL: I didn't know how I wanted
to film the aerial sequences.

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I had to experiment
and try all kinds of things.

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And I had to find really young guys
who were willing to do that.

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Pull it! Pull it!

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Carl was an innovator. He was
probably the only one in Hollywood,

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or the area, that was known
for free-fall photography.

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MAN: Background of Carl Boenish
and his films.

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Carl Boenish's early start.

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He has been able to put off going back
to work two months at a time

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such that for over the last ten years,
he's never had to go back to work,

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and is accustomed to making film
payments instead of car payments.

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As it's worked out in the past,

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Carl Boenish usually spends
about two years

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to make one 15-minute film.

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If you were jumping with Boenish,
it was expected

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that you'd wear a helmet-mounted camera
or possibly two.

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Carl's main focus was to share
the wealth. Share that feeling.

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To share the feeling with people
that didn't understand it,

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that thought we were absolutely crazy
to do something like this.

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But once you see it
and see the beauty of it,

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I think people tend to understand
the motive.

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CARL:
I've been skydiving for 18 years now

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and I've been filmmaking
forjust as long.

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Primarily, I consider myself a filmmaker
first and a skydiver second.

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So whatever he did, he wanted to capture
on film the best way he could.

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I think he wanted to show the humanity,
the freedom, that is felt

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when you are pushing the envelope of
what the human spirit can accomplish.

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MAN: Yosemite is beautiful.
It's breathtaking.

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Many people cry when they first see it.

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It's beyond their expectation,
beyond their experience.

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I was the chief ranger in
Yosemite National Park.

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And my job was protection.

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So protecting the park from the people
and the people from the park

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and the people from the people.

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Where did you get the inclination
to jump off a cliff?

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Well, this comes from making
1500 parachute jumps over 15 years

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and becoming so proficient at it
that you wonder,

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well, what else is out there?

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MAN: El Capitan.
3,600 feet of polished granite

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rising from California's
Yosemite Valley.

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For climbers, its vertical ascent

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is one of the great challenges
of North America.

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A group of professional parachuters

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traveled to this unique spot
to experience flight.

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When I organized the first load
to go to El Capitan,

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we spent nearly all summer there,
four or five trips,

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scouting of the geography, finding,
hopefully, places suitable to jump.

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Then we stumbled upon
this really idyllic place

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that's about 3,000 feet tall

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with an overhang
of a couple hundred feet.

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And as soon as I saw it I yelled,
"Eureka!"

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MAN: The pioneers of this remarkable
attempt

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are skydivers Kent Lane and Tom Stark.

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Along with Kenny Gosselin, Mike Sherrin
and helper Sally Wenlzel.

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Expedition leader Carl Boenish
with Dave Blattell.

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Carl, on his own, was doing
a lot of research on El Cap.

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He then asked me
to help him with the filming of it.

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I wanted to figure out a way,
if possible,

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to film a person running off a cliff.

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But from a vantage point
looking back toward the cliff.

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The first jumps were going to be made
off El Cap

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and Carl wanted to get
motion-picture footage

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of the first jumpers running towards him
jumping off the cliff

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and then that way he could then follow
them down as they were in free fall.

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CARL: Actually, I made a homemade ladder

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that's about 20 feet long
out of aluminum.

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I perched on the end of this ladder
so I could film toward the cliff.

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BLATELL: It was a long pole.

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And it had some crosspieces on it

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to kind of make it like
a little bit of a ladder.

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When it was set up
by the rock climbers on El Cap,

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it was just this rod sticking out
from the mountain

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with a little bicycle seat.

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And if you were going to sit on
that bicycle seat,

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there's nothing between you
and 3,000 feet below you.

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I mean, it was just nothing.

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He would go out there...

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and then he'd have to get up the nerve

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and swing 180
so that he could sit on that seat.

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He was nuts.

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He was absolutely nuts.
Then you would hear his laugh

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and you were guaranteed
that he was nuts.

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And he talked us into jumping off
this thing.

200
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So we're all nuts.

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We were all young and not knowing
any better. We're ready to go.

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BLATELL: Kent Lane,
first jumper off of the first trip.

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Two and a half years' jumping,
600 jumps.

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My name is Kent Lane.
The first time I heard about it,

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it sounded like really a neat thing
to do.

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I was scared to death.

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When I was out on this ladder,
I'd make sure everyone was ready.

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And I would start the countdown.

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Five, four, three, two, one, go!

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I saw a wall, a huge granite wall,
accelerating right next to me.

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When you exit off of a cliff,
there's no wind to work with.

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And so how you go off

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is how you're going to stay
for the next four or five seconds.

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Can't wait to do it again.

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And so once we got down
on the ground

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we had ground crew
that took our gear

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and they placed them under rocks
or under logs. It is all mapped out.

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We were all dressed up as hikers.
All we did was we'd land and stood

219
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and ground crew changed us
from skydiver to hiker.

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And then we just, you know, dispersed.

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We were entirely successful
in all our cliff jumps

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because I feel that we were
constantly led by the idea

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that we were glorifying mankind's
beautiful spirit of seeking adventure

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and that we were within our rights of
freedom and dominium over all the Earth.

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There are many man-made laws that aren't
laws at all that need to be broken.

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One is a belief that it's impossible
to jump off a cliff.

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I felt the activity
I thought was exciting.

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And to do it off of El Cap
just trigged my imagination.

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I thought that was wonderful.

230
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,446
I didn't feel adversarial,

231
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,848
but it didn't keep me
from doing my job at times.

232
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,804
It didn't seem
like it was going to stop.

233
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,207
How do you herd a bunch of cats?

234
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,883
We had word that there were
going to be cliff jumpers

235
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,327
coming into the top of El Cap.

236
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,444
And it was against the law.

237
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,325
This is a cat-and-mouse part of it.

238
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,848
LANE: A couple weeks later
when Carl and I went back

239
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,088
and we jumped off,
I got caught by the ranger.

240
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:42,366
I was the first person ever caught
for BASE jumping in Yosemite.

241
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,962
MAN: Tom Stark, Dave Blattell
and Jill Morgan got citations.

242
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,969
I was an attorney for
the Federal Government.

243
00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:51,485
So I couldn't represent them.

244
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,921
But I did a lot of pro bono work
for them

245
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,368
and we were trying to challenge
their park's regulation.

246
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,249
Speaking of El Capitan, there have been
some controversies around that.

247
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,882
Apparently the park did not want people
jumping off their cliffs.

248
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,766
Yeah. That's true. And we can
certainly see their point of view.

249
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,803
But they just didn't understand.

250
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,322
In fact, they couldn't even believe
that we just jumped off.

251
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,723
Basically, <i>we</i> will just jump off
and fall for ten seconds

252
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,251
and fall over a thousand feet.

253
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,882
I found most of the jumpers
very agreeable.

254
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:33,530
Carl was special. You kind of have
an instinct about the ringleaders.

255
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:38,362
He was easy to remember.
He had this aura of life.

256
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,008
You don't have to dislike someone
to take away their freedom.

257
00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:47,841
My name is Carl Boenish.
I'm expedition of this leader.

258
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,930
(LAUGHTER)

259
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,041
Cut.

260
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,164
MAN: The park ranger at the time
that issued these citations

261
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,851
was aware that Carl was involved in it.

262
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,844
MAN: <i>What did you say
with respect to the filming?</i>

263
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,681
<i>CARL: OK, they asked me, you know,
whose equipment it was</i>

264
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,087
<i>and first of all they said,
"Where is Carl?"</i>

265
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,447
<i>You know, I mean,
where is Carl Boenish?</i>

266
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,888
<i>- Really?
- Yeah. They're out for blood.</i>

267
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,851
WENTZEL:
Somehow we got involved with rangers.

268
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,367
The film was confiscated.

269
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,609
Carl was very concerned about his film.

270
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,442
MAN: One of those what was there
was the park ranger

271
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,881
that sort of had this vendetta
against Carl

272
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,244
and they continued to press
the litigation aspect.

273
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,165
We don't want to be limited
by anything except nature.

274
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,090
We always have to listen
to nature's laws.

275
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,726
But not necessarily man's laws.

276
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,450
The US Magistrate, Don Pitts,

277
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:54,771
he was kind of tired of seeing
this parade of cliff jumpers coming in.

278
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,531
So he was throwing the book at him.

279
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:06,044
MAN: I know that the park ranger
was really trying to focus on Carl.

280
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,567
CARL:
I don't mind being called paranoid,

281
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,843
if that's what you want
to call it or me.

282
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,965
I do admit to being extreme and radical.

283
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:23,371
And I feel that I'm justified
in being extremely radical

284
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,887
if it's based on truth and principle.

285
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,321
I believe that truth is radical.

286
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,688
WENTZEL: My time with Carl ended
at the beginning of '79.

287
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:40,250
You were either all in or,
you know, there were challenges.

288
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:48,286
At some level he was really trying
to kind of close that gap

289
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:54,282
of getting that unconditional,
forever love by his side.

290
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,802
The fact that Carl was around
40 years old and not married

291
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,605
told me that he either wasn't
interested in women

292
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,006
or not interested in marriage.

293
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:07,329
He was a geek, a nerd, everything
you can imagine in that scope.

294
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,524
I wouldn't say he was popular
with the ladies.

295
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:20,005
I know that when it came to Jeanie,
something really captured him about her.

296
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:27,569
His whole life just changed
and the focus of his life was Jeanie.

297
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,807
Those of us who met Carl,
anybody, would go away

298
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,924
with part of his goodness,
it becomes a part of you.

299
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,327
And whenever
anybody expresses goodness,

300
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,046
it travels away with that person.

301
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,928
Carl and I first met in April of 1979.

302
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,850
I was a sophomore at Pomona College.

303
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:58,851
Carl was showing his most recent film,
which was Skydive.

304
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,162
(APPLAUSE)

305
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,451
Afterwards, he had us get in a circle.

306
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,645
He said, "Everybody stand up.
Get in a circle and hold hands."

307
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,651
So the group of us stood up and
held hands the way he had requested.

308
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,287
We're thinking, "This is a bit odd.
Where is he going with this?"

309
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,968
And, of course, he just wanted us
to experience the position

310
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,404
that skydivers would be in
when they came into a star formation.

311
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,449
His purity
was a very attractive quality.

312
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,046
And everybody recognized that.

313
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,206
When we were all departing,

314
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,450
I saw another girl was talking to him
and giving him her phone number.

315
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:04,323
And I thought, well, she's very
interested. So I just let it be.

316
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:08,124
It had been fun to see Carl's movie.

317
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,569
It was nice to meet
and talk with a parachutist.

318
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,965
I wanted to pursue this somehow.

319
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,289
And I thought to myself, "I know Carl."

320
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,200
I believe that I wrote him a letter,
actually.

321
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,365
He ended up calling me
and telling me,

322
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,690
"I'll come out and get you.
It's right on the way to drop zone."

323
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,208
And this ended up being our first date.

324
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,370
Carl and I talked a lot
going out to the drop zone.

325
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,086
It was a long drive.

326
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,091
We talked about things
that we believed in.

327
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,726
Principles that we held to.

328
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:05,886
While we were at the drop zone
Carl said, "Let's have a foot race."

329
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,526
And I thought, "OK."

330
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,688
I think we were running
next to the airplane

331
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,320
as the airplane
was starting to take off.

332
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,411
It was just something
that came to him to do.

333
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,161
I guess maybe in a sense,
it was just a gauge.

334
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,005
A gauge of possibilities.

335
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,722
It had gotten late in the day
after our day at the drop zone

336
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,968
and it was a long drive back.

337
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,401
Carl had told me that
his sister had her house

338
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:03,560
right there at Lake Elsinore
and that she wasn't home.

339
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,525
He said it will be fine
if we just spent the night there.

340
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,366
So he said,
"Well, you can sleep here on the couch

341
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,927
and I'll go sleep in the bedroom
where I usually do."

342
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,762
After a couple of hours
he came in and said,

343
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,202
"Can I lie down here
beside you on the floor?"

344
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:27,082
Then I said, "Well, that's OK."

345
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,480
"That's OK."

346
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,410
Then he said, "Can I hold your hand?"

347
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,888
And so I said, "Yeah."

348
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,846
And so he was lying there
parallel to me

349
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,210
and we're holding hands
and that's the way we spent the night.

350
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,804
In a matter of just a few weeks,

351
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:14,802
we covered all the ground
that each of us felt was necessary

352
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:20,046
to figure out if we were sufficiently
compatible to start a life together.

353
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,205
It wasn't start a relationship,
live together, any of that.

354
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,051
It was start a life together,
get married.

355
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,162
You're about to get married in a week.

356
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,169
Yes. I'm very excited about that.

357
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,170
Does your fiancée jump off cliffs?

358
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,605
Well, not yet. She would like to.
Since we met, she's made eight skydives

359
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,530
and she has a natural affinity
for the air.

360
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,927
I think she's going to be
a very fine skydiver.

361
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,011
She didn't seem like
the skydiver type to me.

362
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:08,362
I remember she wore this
red and yellow and blue bright clothes.

363
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,962
And she kind of looked like she worked
at the little hot-dog stand

364
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,048
where they dip the hot dogs.

365
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,528
This girl just does not look like
a skydiver.

366
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,682
JEAN: More than once, people at
the drop zone pegged me as a librarian

367
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,006
and some as a nun.

368
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,522
They were trying to figure out
where I was coming from.

369
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,683
There's this psychologist named Jung.

370
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,930
And he always talked about
the marriage of opposites, right?

371
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,249
And if you wanted
the diametric opposite of Carl Boenish

372
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,521
that would be Jean Boenish.

373
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:59,729
JEAN: I had that thoughtful demeanor,
and Carl did too.

374
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:05,370
We were both very analytical,
very detail oriented,

375
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,520
and interested in
an intelligent approach to everything.

376
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:17,086
We were two people who were
a very good coupling. A unique coupling.

377
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:22,809
We were very well fit for each other
and we loved each other very much.

378
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,367
And now, ladies and gentlemen,
here we are.

379
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,403
I am interviewing you live

380
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:32,651
from the church of the marriage
of Jean and Carl Boenish.

381
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,282
Jean, would you like to come here
and say a word? Quick. Hurry, hurry.

382
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,643
We ran out of tape. And this is...

383
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,529
Alright, one word. I don't know
what I've gotten myself into.

384
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,770
- One word is, "I do!"
- Those are two words.

385
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,764
JEAN: When I was considering
BASE jumping,

386
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,247
when it was presented to me by Carl,

387
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:02,083
it was something that struck me
as pleasant as camping.

388
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:09,526
MAN: One of the most interesting and
incomprehensible love stories ever.

389
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,404
But they got along great.

390
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,330
She was sort of the brains
of the operation.

391
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,771
JEAN: So I was marrying into
his established business

392
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,807
and joining him in partnership
as the team.

393
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,046
Fifteen seconds!

394
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,371
Camera goes on at five. Here you go.

395
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,407
Five, four, three, two, one, go!

396
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,488
There she goes!

397
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,042
(WHOOPS) Alright!

398
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,208
JEAN:
It was a wonderful thing for both of us

399
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:52,167
to begin our life
working together on a daily basis.

400
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,681
Beautiful. Perfect form. Oh, man.

401
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,965
Hey, Carl. it went really well.
Let me tell you something, though.

402
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,369
It takes more than four seconds to open.

403
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,608
Well, at least the count of four
when you're scared.

404
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,611
Roger. I copy. Yeah, I'll tell you...

405
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:10,484
You had such flawless form.

406
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,807
You were rock steady.
Everything went mint.

407
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,322
<i>You make a hard act to follow, Jeanie.
That was flawless stability.</i>

408
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,284
<i>I'm going to try to do the same thing.
Even I bend the knee.</i>

409
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,370
<i>It's pretty easy, though.
Have a good one.</i>

410
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,720
<i>Okay duke.</i>

411
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,731
It's a rush, you know? I'm using
the word scared because it's not...

412
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,081
When you're counting the seconds,
it's not that.

413
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,965
It's just that you seem to count
extra fast.

414
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,691
It's what skydivers call a rush.

415
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,002
You jump off
and there's absolutely nothing

416
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,724
because you can't work with anything.

417
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,401
You're at the mercy of nothing.
You're falling.

418
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,363
Jean Boenish,
if I saw her in the street,

419
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,204
the last thing in the world
I would think

420
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,846
is that she would put a parachute on
and jump off a rock.

421
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,928
But she believed and loved him so much,

422
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,927
and if Carl said that you could
jump off a cliff, do this, she did it.

423
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,811
And she did it better than
most of the men at the time.

424
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,490
CARL: Well, we're kind of used
to people calling us crazy.

425
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,410
But at least in our opinion,
we're not crazy.

426
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,844
We're basically fun-loving adventurers
and we really have fun skydiving.

427
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,931
It's almost become a way of life for us,
we take it so seriously.

428
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,647
Interestingly enough,
if it weren't for the camera,

429
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,247
I, personally, probably wouldn't be
that interested in skydiving.

430
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,206
Because the camera captures
something not only for ourselves

431
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,166
but for everybody,
over a vast amount of time.

432
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,411
And it's really a sense of creativity
that we do a lot of things in skydiving

433
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,284
just for the sake of the camera,

434
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,721
and hence for millions of people,
to see what we do.

435
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,085
BOB: Pretty much all the BASE jumping
was called into the Manor Drive house.

436
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:50,050
"We're going to go jump El Capitan
at six o'clock tomorrow morning."

437
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,247
"Want to come and film?"

438
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,284
<i>Carl and Jean, this is Mary Todd.
Well, I'm over here.</i>

439
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,849
<i>We did El Cap yesterday
and it just went so fantastic.</i>

440
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,042
<i>Piece of cake. Everything.</i>

441
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:09,609
<i>As you can tell, nothing happened.
No rangers.</i>

442
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:13,281
BOB: Soto say he was a ringleader,
yes, he didn't tell people to go jump

443
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,727
but he knew about it.

444
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,164
Even though we had had problems
with the National Park Service

445
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:25,406
as far as arrests or people
wanting to fine or prohibit,

446
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,765
BASE jumping
was not an illegal activity.

447
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,123
And in the park service specifically,

448
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,806
it should easily have been
a permitted activity.

449
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,010
Currently it's pretty illegal to jump
off of the top of most of those cliffs.

450
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,964
And I know that you've been instrumental
in fighting that.

451
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,320
What's going on with that now?

452
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,681
Is that going to be legalized
in your opinion?

453
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,406
Well, we hope that in time,
just like mountain climbing,

454
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,528
that it will be unregulated.

455
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,531
Right now, we want to work
hand in hand with the park service.

456
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,728
WENDT: We both wanted the same thing.
To legalize it.

457
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,368
To reduce the danger
of jumping illegally.

458
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,451
Because they're doing it at night.
Trying to evade us.

459
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,086
MAN: Bill Wendt is the National Park
Service director for Yosemite.

460
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,080
El Capitan happens to be
inside of Yosemite National Park.

461
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:23,607
And it's one of the few cliffs
in the world

462
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,842
where they can safely jump
from the top of a cliff

463
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,645
and parachute down
to a suitable landing site.

464
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,128
We have finally, after a year of
negotiating back and forth,

465
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:35,483
you might say, convinced the park
service that it can be done safely.

466
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,490
The park service is issuing permits.

467
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,688
WENDT: It worked,
and it worked for a while,

468
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,804
but it really started to be untenable.

469
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,685
There were just too many free spirits.

470
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:36,202
And we had to shut them down.
The ninth of September.

471
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,364
CARL: Jumping off El Capitan
was first unregulated

472
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,687
because it was unthought of.

473
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,521
And then it was regulated
because it was feared.

474
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,246
And then it was banned
because it was abused.

475
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,206
WENDT: We got it started
because I recommended it.

476
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,091
And it was stopped
because I recommended it.

477
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:57,925
So I'm responsible.

478
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,966
And maybe I was too impatient
and didn't...

479
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:06,563
That... that I will admit.

480
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,968
It really has no connection
with what we consider

481
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,646
to be an International Aviation sport.

482
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,560
It's more closely related
to circus acrobats and circus tricks.

483
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:28,847
MAN: OK, the Granite Circus
was one of Carl's dreams.

484
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,451
The last day of jumping,
he wanted to make it spectacular.

485
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,121
So he arranged for one person
to be on stilts, that was me.

486
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,050
Mayfield was going to walk
on his hands, doing a handstand.

487
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,650
Carl was on a pogo stick

488
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,888
and one other guy
was going to be on a skateboard.

489
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,283
I got up on the stilts, made about
two or three steps and I was gone.

490
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,922
It was so cool

491
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,971
that that kind of set my heels in.
I was into BASE jumping.

492
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,209
Even though it wasn't called
BASE jumping at the time.

493
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,482
That was the program for me.

494
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,164
After the permitted season
of jumping from El Capitan,

495
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:26,049
the number of jumpers interested
doing this activity was growing.

496
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:31,803
And Carl in his foresight knew
that we needed to be able

497
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,641
to call it something other
than fixed object skydiving

498
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,367
or skydiving from fixed objects
or cliff-jumping.

499
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,121
There were boundaries
beyond just cliffs.

500
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:47,962
I found some other objects around that
I thought might be interesting to jump.

501
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,004
MAN: Phil Smith, Smitty,
came up with a couple ideas.

502
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,566
One of them was jumping off TV towers.

503
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:57,691
He had a TV tower in Houston
that was over a thousand feet high.

504
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,325
He also mentioned that there was a
building going up at a construction

505
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,929
that was ultimately going to be
about 900 feet high, a little bit more.

506
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,485
One thing led to another.

507
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,649
Carl and Jean decided to come out
in January of 1981.

508
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,922
The four of us would go down
and jump the TV tower.

509
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,121
That was the prime focus.

510
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:20,481
The building had been mentioned
almost in passing.

511
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,080
It seemed like not having done
either one

512
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,289
that a TV tower jump would be
a lot more feasible than a building

513
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,131
just because of the logistics
of getting onto a building.

514
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,002
Smitty did all the homework
and lined it up for us.

515
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,646
And by that I mean figured out
when we need to be there

516
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,571
and how to get onto the tower
because we'd have to climb a fence.

517
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:40,929
How to get away and how many sets of
cables there were on the tower

518
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,204
so we could avoid hitting those.
Bottom line is we jumped that.

519
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,650
JEAN: Carl and I had traveled out
to Phil Mayfield's house

520
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,122
and we met Phil Smith there as well.

521
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:21,245
MAYFIELD: And we started talking about
Carl's latest ideas. His grand idea.

522
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,124
His big picture of fixed object jumping.

523
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,090
SMITH: That evening we were up
in Phil's house in Arlington.

524
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,362
And we were planning
our next day's jump.

525
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,371
And Carl had been daydreaming all week
and brainstorming this thing.

526
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,847
He came up with the idea
of making an organization

527
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,485
where to be a member,

528
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,371
you had to have jumped
these four different kinds of objects.

529
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:48,249
MAYFIELD: So we started brainstorming
different acronyms, different names

530
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,364
so that we could come up with
something that was kind of catchy.

531
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,804
I don't really know who came up with it,
but it evolved into the word BASE.

532
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,527
And all of the guys instantly
just grabbed hold of BASE

533
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,001
and said, "Well, that's the one."

534
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,282
- MAN: What's your group called?
- CARL: We don't...

535
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,329
Crazy Men of the World.
No, what are you called?

536
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,921
That's what most people call us.

537
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,168
But we've got an organization.

538
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,770
We have to be members of it

539
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,123
although we don't have a roster
of official members yet.

540
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,691
It's too new an organization.

541
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,044
The type of jumping that we do,
first of all, is called BASE jumping.

542
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:28,731
B-A-S-E is an acronym for Buildings,
Antennae Towers, Spans and Earth.

543
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,049
SMITH: So at that time nobody had
jumped off four things.

544
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,721
We had kind of planned
to do the building in Houston.

545
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,003
At that time, it was called
Texas Commerce Tower.

546
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,283
You jumped off a cliff. What's next?
I heard you want to jump off buildings.

547
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,882
Well, yes. It's just mankind's spirit
that's bubbling out saying,

548
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,923
"if there are mountains
let's climb them."

549
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,522
"if there are buildings,
let's jump off of them."

550
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,842
SMITH: Houston was going through
a lot of growth.

551
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,769
They were building several new buildings

552
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,644
that would be
about a thousand feet high.

553
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,649
At that time,
that was kind of our criteria.

554
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,882
I didn't want to do
much lower than that.

555
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,482
The nice thing about those buildings is
when a building is under construction,

556
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,723
they're really vulnerable
to people like us.

557
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,722
Often the building would have
just a chain-link fence around it.

558
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,441
You could just pull it apart and find
someplace to get in or climb over it.

559
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,768
It was really easy to do.

560
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,808
There is a stairway, no elevator.

561
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,367
But there's a stairway and we just
went up to the top, no problem.

562
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,642
With Carl Boenish,
you have to understand

563
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,081
the number-one thing is the film.

564
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:45,449
So it didn't matter the security
of getting away and making the jump

565
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,570
and getting all that stuff;
that was secondary to getting that film.

566
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,809
So we got in there real early. We could
have made a jump then and got out

567
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,048
but the light wouldn't have been good.

568
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,842
So we always had to wait on Carl
for perfect light.

569
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,362
About the time we started seeing a
little bit of traffic down the streets,

570
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,201
Carl let us know that time
is right. The conditions are good.

571
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,728
Once we put the jumpsuits on and
the cameras on and plugged them in,

572
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,049
we knew that it was just about the time.

573
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,325
As soon as we got the go-ahead,
"OK, we're ready down there."

574
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,842
"The helicopter's ready.
OK, you guys, we're waiting on you."

575
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,770
We knew that we had to start
the countdown, turn the cameras on.

576
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,008
I didn't want to screw up.
Neither one of us did.

577
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:45,250
OK. Five, four, three, two, one.

578
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,962
The thing that I remember most was
looking down as I was pushing out

579
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,401
at the windows on each floor going by.

580
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,603
The first second,
I saw two or three go by.

581
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,650
Then by the third second
they're going by just incredibly fast.

582
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,041
(MAKES WHOOSHING SOUNDS)

583
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,127
Step off and then...
(EXHALES)

584
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,490
You'll see the building behind you
or the cliff or whatever it is.

585
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,449
As it just goes...
(MAKES WHOOSHING SOUND)

586
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,806
MAYFIELD: I let go of my pilot chute,
which opens my canopy,

587
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,809
because I see Smitty's over here.

588
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,649
His is already starting to string out.

589
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,850
I let mine go.
I opened probably 150 feet below him.

590
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,487
And just as soon as I got open
and I was not facing the building,

591
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,887
I breathed an enormous sigh of relief.

592
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,571
Because now the whole thing is over.
All the danger is over.

593
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,927
All I got to do is land
and hopefully get away.

594
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,811
But even if I don't get away,
if I get detained by the police

595
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,281
because I was trespassing,
I'm OK with that.

596
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,966
So Phil Mayfield and I,
I guess we skyrocketed into history

597
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,163
and made the first completed
BASE members.

598
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,011
MAN:
Phil Smith is BASE jumper number one.

599
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,289
He was the first person to jump
all four required objects

600
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,641
and has since made
over 50 successful leaps.

601
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,560
Skydiving then was just as much
a challenge as BASE jumping is now.

602
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,411
So it's that challenge
that we're seeking.

603
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,925
And we really want to...
We want to expand our environment

604
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,281
to include bigger
and more and greater things.

605
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,404
BASE jumping, there's so many things
out there that haven't been tamed

606
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,330
that I'm really excited to tackle them.

607
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,764
SMITH: 1981, that's when
the BASE program started.

608
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,005
We actually told the public,
told the world, about BASE.

609
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,282
Of course,
it grew exponentially after that.

610
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,042
MAYFIELD: Almost immediately, Carl was
bent on legitimizing it to the world.

611
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,606
Are you bored with your life
nine to five

612
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,842
looking at the clock,
check in, check out?

613
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,850
Look, you only go around once.
You might as well go for it.

614
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,810
MAN: Carl and Jean Boenish are here.
They're BASE jumpers.

615
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,611
You jump off of buildings,
antennae towers and bridges?

616
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:45,927
Yes. And cliffs.

617
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,168
- And you're both crazy.
- No, we're not.

618
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,006
As the equipment got better
and word spread about this thing

619
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,441
then the numbers began
really accelerating.

620
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,210
Then it became a worldwide thing.

621
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,041
Not just the United States
or not just Texas and California.

622
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,764
It took off.

623
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:36,047
MAN: The still uncompleted 54-storey
Crocker Center in downtown LA

624
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,727
may have seen the last skydiver
jump from its lofty heights.

625
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,844
A group of intrepid divers have been
climbing to the top of the building

626
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,168
and parachuting off
for about four months.

627
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,248
But always at two or three
in the morning.

628
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,931
The jumpers say it's a new sport
called BASE diving.

629
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,485
Police aren't sure what to call it.

630
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,286
But they say there's no law against it,
except maybe trespassing.

631
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,611
Question: why did you jump
off the Crocker Center building

632
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:03,087
in downtown Los Angeles?

633
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,364
Answer: because it was there
and a lot of fun.

634
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,881
Carl, how can you justify breaking
the law to jump that building?

635
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,050
Answer: what laws am I breaking?

636
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:19,210
He assigned a lot more importance
to the laws of nature

637
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:20,407
than he did the laws of man.

638
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,605
The laws of man, in Carl's eyes,
were temporary at best.

639
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,966
JEAN: There were buildings
in downtown Los Angeles

640
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,809
that were under construction.

641
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,045
The Crocker Center happened
to start construction

642
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,482
when we were interested
in jumping off of buildings.

643
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,082
CARL: Well, you know, Jean and I
have each jumped from a building.

644
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:45,210
A thousand-foot, 75-story skyscraper.

645
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,249
And people say why?

646
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,243
Why did you do it, Jean?

647
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,044
I actually do it for the fun of it.

648
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,970
It's the feeling that you get
when you jump off of a high dive.

649
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,570
There's nothing to push against

650
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:57,927
like when you're swimming
through the water.

651
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,606
You are falling, literally,
for the first two seconds.

652
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:02,324
And you can't control your fall.

653
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,445
That's why you have to be very careful
in the manner in which you exit.

654
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:12,681
One morning, Carl had gone
to do an early morning jump

655
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,609
after it was already light.

656
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:17,326
MAN: Yesterday three men jumped off
the unfinished building,

657
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,081
the Cracker building in Los Angeles,
in their sport of skydiving.

658
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,010
And today I talked to one of the three,
Carl Boenish.

659
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,289
You're standing there and no matter
how seasoned a skydiver you are,

660
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,370
or a BASE jumper, you're very
apprehensive and you're nervous.

661
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,522
But you know in your mind you can do it,

662
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,120
even though your physical body
says you'd better not do it.

663
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,402
I mean, that's 700 feet straight down.

664
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,848
So finally you say,
"Here we go. Ready, set, go."

665
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,090
And the first second you start
accelerating incredibly fast.

666
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,965
It leaves you almost breathless.

667
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:53,405
And then the second second you
have a feeling of freedom and power

668
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,126
and confidence, almost euphoria.

669
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,681
You think, "Wow, I feel like Superman."

670
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,444
JEAN: The next day, the <i>LA</i> Times
had this photograph of Carl

671
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,325
right on the front page
jumping off of Crocker Center.

672
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,169
Plain as day, literally.

673
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,364
<i>Mr Boenish, my name is Fred Gooch.</i>

674
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,371
<i>I'm an attorney for the owner
of the Crocker Center.</i>

675
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:25,691
<i>I want to advise you
that at 1 :30 tomorrow afternoon</i>

676
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,850
<i>in department 85 to the
Los Angeles County Superior Court,</i>

677
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,927
<i>the owners of the property are going
to seek an injunction against you.</i>

678
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,489
<i>An X party application for a temporary
restraining order against you,</i>

679
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,410
<i>members of your group,
and any other skydivers</i>

680
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,922
<i>from jumping off of the Cracker Center.</i>

681
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,568
<i>I suggest that you have your attorney
call me.</i>

682
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,808
And I pick up the <i>LA</i> Times one day

683
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,890
and I see this picture of somebody
jumping off Crocker Bank.

684
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,241
And I read the article
and, OK, that's Carl.

685
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,404
Then a day or two later I get
this phone call from Carl saying,

686
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,444
"Jim, I think I'm in
a little bit of trouble."

687
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,608
Here's the message.

688
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:12,044
<i>Carl and Jean, this is Jim Winkler.</i>

689
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,124
<i>Give me a call as soon as possible.</i>

690
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,489
<i>Cracker Bank apparently
does not want to settle.</i>

691
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:23,089
JEAN: They wanted to get control
over this situation.

692
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,807
So the Crocker Center decided that
they wanted to start legal proceedings

693
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,568
specifically against Carl
because he was named in the newspaper.

694
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,762
BOB: They couldn't catch him
most of the time.

695
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:39,761
Then, when he was caught,
I would guess the prosecutor at the time

696
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,486
basically told the judge,
"We know this guy's doing this."

697
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,803
So the court ordered that
he could not go into anything

698
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,720
over a 30-story building
without a judge's approval.

699
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,645
CARL: Why do you do your homework
and know what you're doing?

700
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:57,049
A lot of us do this day in and day out
and we do it very systematically.

701
00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:01,484
The difference in attention to detail
is being a hero or being dead.

702
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,366
MAN: Some BASE jumps are illegal,
others are not.

703
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,891
Tomorrow in Memphis, Tennessee,

704
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,162
as part of that city's annual
Cotton Carnival

705
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,049
BASE jumpers Jean and Carl Boenish

706
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,642
plan to parachute from the top
of a downtown office building.

707
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,570
JEAN: That building is called
the Hundred North Main Building

708
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:23,720
and it's 432 feet
to the top of the 36th floor.

709
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,650
A man came up and introduced himself.

710
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,687
He happened to also be the president
of the Union Planters Bank Building,

711
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,850
which was the largest building
in Memphis, Tennessee.

712
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,050
And he said, "Would you like
to jump off of that building

713
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,400
for the Cotton Carnival?"

714
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,364
Carl and I just looked at each other.

715
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,370
We both turned back to him
and we said,

716
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,280
"Well, that would be great.
We'd be very interested in doing that."

717
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,363
They had a parade

718
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:58,361
and they had arranged for Carl and I
to ride on one of the floats

719
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:03,162
so that we would be
the co-grand marshals of the parade.

720
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,721
(CARNIVAL MUSIC)

721
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:26,964
So we were co-grand marshals and our
job was to jump down from the building

722
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,287
with crystal medallions

723
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:34,645
that were made especially for the king
and queen of the Cotton Carnival.

724
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,331
LONG: If you were around the Boenishes
long enough

725
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,011
you got the feeling of people
that really didn't belong.

726
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,680
They weren't weird, alright.
They were different.

727
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,882
A little eccentric, even.

728
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,844
They didn't really fit anywhere, right?

729
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,126
See you at the bottom.

730
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,725
But they fit together.

731
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,683
Here we go.

732
00:55:54,800 --> 00:56:01,001
Five, four, three, two, one, go!

733
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,483
We've just reached the Trollveggen,

734
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,524
which is the largest cliff face
in Europe.

735
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:38,282
It'll be the site for our assault
on the world BASE jumping record.

736
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,842
Standing over here on this ledge
is Carl Boenish and his wife, Jean.

737
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,645
They're about to fling themselves
off the mountain

738
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,603
in something called BASE jumping.

739
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:53,330
At that time, I was a recently
graduated dude with no career

740
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,882
from graduate school
studying literature and philosophy.

741
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,243
I had no idea what I was going to do
other than what I had been doing

742
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,125
which was rock climbing and sea kayaking

743
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,250
and generally doing things
that were really fun that made no money.

744
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,007
So I just took my expertise in adventure
and applied it to production,

745
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,930
and I ended up working for David Frost.

746
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,284
We needed to have a centerpiece
for an ABC special.

747
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,846
That special being
The Guinness Book <i>of World</i> Records

748
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,847
which showed on ABC and also on BBC.
We needed to have a centerpiece thing,

749
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,770
which was an international
big action-adventure thing

750
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,644
that could carry the whole show.

751
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,888
I figured BASE jumping
was going to be it.

752
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,528
JEAN: Carl was thrilled to be contacted
by the Guinness people

753
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,842
and given the opportunity it was...

754
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,407
This was really an opportunity
being given to us.

755
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,370
Meeting Carl Boenish was...

756
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,682
...not like anything
I'd ever experienced.

757
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,441
By that time, I had been in New Guinea
and the fricking North Pole.

758
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:59,128
I'd been all over and had seen just
about every kind of person imaginable.

759
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,368
But I had never seen anybody
like Carl Boenish.

760
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:07,121
Super energetic.
He had plans to do everything

761
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,084
and he documented everything,
he had pictures of everything.

762
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,922
He was everything. Everything about Carl
was out there right from the beginning.

763
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,008
And it was like running into a geyser.

764
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,124
It was just like,
"Whoa, look at this guy!" You know?

765
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:21,930
Carl, what's the old record?

766
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,771
The tallest BASE jump ever made
is 4900 feet.

767
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,724
And that was made at Half Dome
at Yosemite National Park.

768
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,969
High by anybody's standards. Jean,
what are you going to attempt today?

769
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,401
Well, I'm not exactly sure
what the height is here

770
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,881
but it's definitely over 4900 feet.

771
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,889
- All the best to you both.
- Thank you.

772
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,685
JEAN: When they said let's go and do
a record jump,

773
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,007
let's find a site that's the highest

774
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,044
from point of launch
to point of landing.

775
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,970
And where would you like to go
and do that?

776
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:56,085
The world was our oyster
and we chose Norway.

777
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,162
Norway. Norway's beautiful.

778
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:07,845
And the people are wonderful.

779
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:12,602
And, as they say,
there's a very open trust.

780
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,724
That's Norway.

781
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,488
It was like mounting an expedition,
really.

782
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,165
We were pretty much involved in that

783
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,563
from the time that he said
he could and would do it

784
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,731
until the time we left which is, I don't
know, two and a half weeks later,

785
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,405
it was pretty much a mad dash.

786
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,524
I flew across the Atlantic and went to
London and spent a day there.

787
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,286
Took a flight up to Oslo and
the Boenishes were already there.

788
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,404
I just jumped in a rental car with them
and we drove up to Andalsnes

789
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,090
which took all day.

790
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,722
It was that time of year where
the nights weren't really nights.

791
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,842
There's a midnight sun kind of thing.

792
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,531
So the sun never really totally set.

793
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,042
So we just kept driving
and driving and driving.

794
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,687
That went on for eight hours
and we ended up in Andalsnes

795
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,404
and I saw this cliff for the first time.

796
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,603
I said, "Wow,
that's going to be interesting."

797
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,121
It's a scary sort of place.

798
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:27,047
It's like Sleepy Hollow with
these huge cliffs rising on both sides.

799
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,202
Really formidable
and really intimidating.

800
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:36,088
And it was really bad weather. It was
just drizzly and cloudy and weird.

801
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,363
I wasn't real enthusiastic that
it was going to break any time soon.

802
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,164
Wasn't necessarily a bad thing.

803
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,046
I knew it would take us a little while
to figure out what we were going to do

804
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,049
and where we were going to jump.

805
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,881
One glance up there and I knew
it was going to take me a while

806
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,401
to get fluent with the whole area.
it was just too big.

807
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,245
It was too big
and too confusing up there.

808
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,045
So I was lucky enough
to meet with a friend.

809
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,128
He had climbed around here a whole lot.

810
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:05,882
He was not only a great sort of partner
and climber

811
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,606
but a really decent, soulful guy.

812
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,929
We got along perfectly
from the beginning.

813
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,721
We hooked up and every day we'd hike up
the back side of Trollveggen,

814
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,525
go up there marching around
looking for places to go.

815
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:20,484
MAN: I started climbing when I was 15

816
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:25,128
and I've been doing a lot of climbing
in the area here in Romsdal.

817
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:31,771
I first met Carl when the others
asked me to be a local guide

818
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,521
and be responsible
for the security up in the mountains

819
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,130
while they were doing the parachute.

820
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:41,131
I really didn't know what's going on
then, what they were going to do.

821
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:46,280
But it was really a exciting time
to be together with them.

822
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:48,601
I remember his leg.

823
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,810
That he had hurt it once
and broke it, I think.

824
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,083
And that he did not go to a doctor.

825
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,164
LONG: When Fred and I first started
hiking up to the top of Troll Wall

826
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,090
to figure out a location
where we're going to jump,

827
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:08,205
Carl went along with us
but he was such a slow hiker

828
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:12,848
that ultimately we decided most
of the time to go up there without him

829
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,082
because he just couldn't keep up.

830
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,602
Carl, when he got up into the mountains,

831
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,246
had some problems with his leg
all the time.

832
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,121
He got very tired because
it was hurting very much, I think.

833
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,163
LONG: I go, "What what's with this guy?"

834
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,961
"Why is he going so fricking slow?"
It was driving me crazy.

835
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,289
It'd take half the day to get up
to the top of the cliff, right?

836
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,210
And I thought he was just lazy.

837
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,370
And finally there's a little stone hut

838
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:45,166
that you can sort of take shelter in
on your way up.

839
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,607
And we got about halfway up
and we got to the stone hut

840
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,923
and it started raining
so we had to actually go in this hut.

841
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,885
We went in this hut. We're sitting down
and Carl's rubbing his leg.

842
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,128
I go, "What's going on?
What's up, Carl?"

843
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:03,245
And he pulls his pant leg up
and his leg has this...

844
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,563
The bone goes down like this
and takes this jog.

845
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,564
I'm like,
"Carl what's going on with that leg?"

846
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,887
And it turned out he'd broken his leg.

847
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:17,085
He'd broken his leg hang gliding
a couple years before.

848
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,410
And he'd never got it set
because he's a Christian Scientist.

849
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,568
I didn't know anything
about any of that.

850
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,167
CARL: I believe that there's a law
and order to the universe.

851
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,248
Some people call it God.

852
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:31,600
I don't care what you call it.

853
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,525
I just know that mathematics
never fails us.

854
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,809
If we get the wrong answer,
we didn't apply something correctly.

855
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,682
Nothing happens by chance.

856
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,885
Every single thing that ever happens,
happens for a reason.

857
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,651
Happens due to the law of the universe.

858
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,289
LONG:
One of the things I kept looking for

859
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,529
was someplace that was
cantilevered out like that.

860
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,487
So we found this thing,
Stabben pinnacle.

861
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,410
We get to the top and
there's a bunch of big boulders around.

862
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,490
What you do is you do
what's called a rock test.

863
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,211
And what you want
is something that falls

864
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:14,325
somewhere between 15 and 20 seconds
before it hits the wall.

865
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,287
The whole thing with BASE jumping
is you don't want to hit the wall.

866
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,687
That's what's going to kill you.

867
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,804
Fred and I pushed ten rocks
off the top of Stabben pinnacle

868
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,601
and they all hit between
three and five seconds.

869
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,087
Every time.

870
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,010
We did the rock test
and immediately ruled that out

871
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:35,645
as something we would do.

872
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,691
Carl goes, "No, it's too dangerous.
it doesn't give it enough time."

873
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,761
There was quite a lot of people
because it was a big team

874
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,450
and they had all the helicopters.

875
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:49,451
So it was both local people that was
going up to see what was going on

876
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,050
and there was a lot of tourists

877
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,881
that were stopping because of the
helicopter traffic that was going on.

878
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,808
LONG:
It was a big event in Europe also.

879
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,123
So news teams
from all over Europe were here

880
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,766
waiting for this thing to happen.

881
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,564
I mean, it was a zoo.

882
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,644
I was hoping to be able to do this thing
sort of on a low profile.

883
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:19,209
But by the time the thing finally
happened, it was no secret to anybody.

884
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,883
The Boenishes were both...
Well, Jean, it was hard to tell

885
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,526
because she seemingly never got
excited about anything.

886
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:32,363
But Carl was coming out of his skin.
You know, like uncontainable enthusiasm.

887
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,642
This is a celebration of
the human spirit

888
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,804
and thank you for bringing
your spirits too.

889
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,924
Take a shot of Jean and me
and the crowd.

890
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:48,642
Put it on Infinity.
You have it on Infinity?

891
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,290
OK, look at the camera.

892
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,250
No, it's the other button.

893
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,688
LONG: I mean, it's like a geyser,
you know? Just like Old Faithful.

894
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,764
The day prior to when
we really got the thing on film,

895
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:06,329
he had done the jump basically
at night already, and done it perfectly.

896
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,330
So we knew that everything
was going to be perfect.

897
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,046
As soon as the sun comes up,
he can do this jump.

898
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,447
We're going to get it a couple times
so we got it covered,

899
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:15,607
then we're out of there.

900
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,241
Carl's enthusiasm was so high,
everybody was really high on this thing.

901
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:24,922
Remember, BASE jumping had never been
filmed on any kind of big scale.

902
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,289
It was little teeny 16mm documentaries

903
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,960
that people showed
on their bathroom wall.

904
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:36,081
And a huge network television crew
had swooped in here

905
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,124
with an internationally famous star,
David Frost.

906
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,601
<i>He was the host
of The Guinness Book of World Records</i>

907
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,406
and all this hoopla right?
And, boom, we have six cameras.

908
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:49,002
I think Boenish had another couple
cameras. We had cameras everywhere.

909
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,811
This is going to be a big event.
Everything was going great.

910
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,123
Everybody was enthusiastic.
It was sort of a big thing.

911
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,010
Then we got up, the sun was perfect.

912
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,441
It was a perfect bluebird day.
That was lucky enough.

913
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,484
We got everybody in position
in a matter of a couple hours.

914
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,369
DAVID FROST: They're getting ready now.

915
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:11,081
The Boenishes approaching
the jumping off spot, coming out there.

916
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,767
And the pilot is doing a fantastic job.
It's very difficult right there.

917
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:19,169
He seems to be balancing that helicopter
almost on one skid.

918
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,324
And there are the Boenishes over there.
There they are.

919
01:08:22,440 --> 01:08:25,444
Perched on that very, very tiny outcrop.

920
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:30,282
Now with the help of our key mountain
climber, cameraman as well,

921
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,529
they're making their final
equipment checks.

922
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,611
Thirty seconds.

923
01:08:38,440 --> 01:08:39,646
Are you ready?

924
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,767
- Twenty seconds.
- Twenty seconds.

925
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:53,968
Ten seconds.

926
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,047
Are you ready?

927
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:06,240
Five, four, three, two, one, go!

928
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,642
- Congratulations.
- Thank you very much.

929
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,081
Let's find Carl now.
He's a little behind.

930
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,208
JEAN: He was very enthusiastic.

931
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,125
WOMAN: There he is.
Alright! Perfect landing!

932
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,284
JEAN: He was always enthusiastic
about all of his projects.

933
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:49,327
Particularly after a jump was finished
or the film was in the can.

934
01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:51,408
Terrific. Congratulations.

935
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,046
- Thank you very much.
- That really excited him.

936
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:58,444
It was exciting. Wow. Wow.

937
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,489
That's a jump of a lifetime.

938
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,770
Well, did you see how much lift
this big parachute has?

939
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,089
- I was staying up forever.
- Listen, just by landing safely,

940
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,409
that means you have set now
a new world's record for BASE jumping.

941
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,443
Norris, do you have the exact figures?

942
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,326
At least 400 feet further
than any other BASE jump in history.

943
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:37,444
And the speed,
because you deployed so late,

944
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,643
it was like flashing through
a 20-story building in one second.

945
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:45,368
Carl was really enthusiastic
about having finished the jumps.

946
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:50,970
To see that wall rushing by.
Man, we loved it.

947
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:55,449
And for Carl, too, to have been able
to make a record jump.

948
01:10:55,600 --> 01:11:02,165
It was like, "Let's get out of here
before the mountain falls on top of us."

949
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,367
I just had this feeling of doom

950
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:09,689
hanging over something
that was potentially that sketchy.

951
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,450
So the moment they are over,

952
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,570
as though retroactively
something could happen,

953
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,883
and combined with the fact
that that was the last piece

954
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,008
that we needed to do on the show,

955
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:24,967
both of those combined and in concert
gave everybody a reason to get...

956
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,885
It put jet underneath everybody.

957
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,082
They were gone. Barn! Out of there.

958
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:43,488
JEAN: After our record jumps,
we were both really tired

959
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:48,367
because we had been up for
a number of days with very little sleep.

960
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:51,689
Particularly
in the last 24 hours or more.

961
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,684
It was one o'clock in the morning
and it was not dark.

962
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:03,250
We really had a great deal of difficulty
in this midnight sun situation.

963
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,847
We had a short night that night.

964
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,806
I was...

965
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,088
...tired from the jumps the day before.

966
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,644
And I told him I was going to sleep in

967
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:04,005
and he had decided he wanted
to go and jump the Bruraskaret

968
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,448
which was the normally jumped site,
so I didn't think much of it.

969
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:12,964
But I was grousing a bit.
"You're tired. Why don't you stay?"

970
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,731
"Why do you have
to go do this right now,

971
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:20,528
right today, when you're tired?
Stay here and sleep."

972
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:24,611
That morning that Carl left for the jump
as I was lying in bed,

973
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,563
I was grumping at him

974
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:31,811
that I didn't think that he should be
doing this because he must be tired.

975
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:33,604
And that was the way

976
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:40,291
I was expressing my feelings
and my intuitions about it.

977
01:13:40,440 --> 01:13:47,449
If I had had 30 years more
of experience that I have now,

978
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:52,646
perhaps I would have expressed
my feelings in a different way

979
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:58,005
and understood that there was
a message there for me.

980
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:02,324
That it was not a good idea
for him to do this.

981
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,969
That's the honest truth about it. And...

982
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,362
I can only look at it in hindsight
from here.

983
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:27,722
HUSOY: There was two locals.
Friends of mine that followed them up.

984
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,401
And also Jean was aware
that he was going up, of course,

985
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:37,602
but somewhere on the route
they decided to go for Stabben instead.

986
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,081
His foot made much trouble for him

987
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,402
because I'd seen that
in earlier days as well,

988
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:49,963
that he was having problems when
we were walking up in the rough terrain.

989
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,527
It was quite rough
up in the back of the Trolltind.

990
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,924
And it was a decision he took
there and then

991
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:02,250
to get back down an easy way, I think.

992
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,409
LONG: The fact is we had done the record
jump, filmed it,

993
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,564
and not more than 12 hours later,
he had hiked back up there.

994
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,524
That didn't make any sense to me.
I don't know how that was possible.

995
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:15,884
The fact we heard he'd done Stabben
didn't make any sense

996
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:21,245
because we had agreed when we did
the rock-drop test that it was suicidal.

997
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:25,206
Nobody could survive that jump.
Why had he done that?

998
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,164
Why was it that
if he was going to go back up

999
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,409
he didn't ask Fred or I
to go up with him?

1000
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:38,809
MAN: On Friday night I was on
Grand Hotel at Andalsnes

1001
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:45,246
because Carl had borrowed a room
so he could pack his parachute.

1002
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:49,005
So I and my brother was with him.

1003
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:55,241
And they explained a lot about BASE
jumping and how to pack the chute

1004
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,563
so it released quick
and things like that.

1005
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,849
It didn't go well that day.

1006
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:09,008
I have an impression that Carl,
more than most of us,

1007
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:13,728
thought that God had a plan for him
that he had to fulfill.

1008
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:21,324
I am a person who remembers in pictures

1009
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:26,048
so I have a small glimpse
of what happened during the day.

1010
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:31,287
Me and my brother,
we picked him up in my brother's car

1011
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:34,011
where he lived with the Griiners.

1012
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:39,365
I remember driving from the Griiners'
and up to Trollstigen.

1013
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,240
It was not so good weather.

1014
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,564
It was a little rain and quite windy.

1015
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:30,842
We went not so fast because
he had the problem with his leg.

1016
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:35,682
And then we went further up to Stabben.

1017
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:41,203
We climbed up to the pinnacle...

1018
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:48,041
...and sat there for at least...
it was more than a half an hour,

1019
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,242
maybe up to an hour.

1020
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:58,048
He started to throw stones
to measure the height of the wall.

1021
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:03,730
We sat on top of the pinnacle
and chatted

1022
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,845
about different matters of life.

1023
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:17,446
On the top of the mountain he asked us
if we knew the story from the Bible.

1024
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,723
The Temptation of Jesus.

1025
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:27,882
The Devil brought Jesus to Jerusalem

1026
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:32,927
and put him on the highest point
of the temple.

1027
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:37,250
And he said that
if you throw yourself down,

1028
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:44,721
God will send his angels
and carry you in their arms

1029
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:49,050
so you will not hurt your foot
on the rock.

1030
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:53,967
Jesus answered,
"Do not put the Lord on test."

1031
01:18:54,120 --> 01:19:01,208
Carl just had...
he had a particular laughter.

1032
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,130
He pointed to his parachute and he said,

1033
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,084
"This is my angel."

1034
01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:18,089
I think it's really amazing
kind of last words.

1035
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:24,403
I don't know what it means
but it feels like it means something.

1036
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,210
Finally, he said that he wanted to jump.

1037
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:35,409
We prepared our cameras.

1038
01:19:36,440 --> 01:19:39,569
So I saw his jump through the lens.

1039
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:50,962
I saw the back of the whole body

1040
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:54,482
more like just his feet diving down.

1041
01:19:54,640 --> 01:20:00,010
His parachute was stalling
against the mountain.

1042
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:07,371
He slid under his parachute
down the mountain

1043
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,648
and stopped in some snow.

1044
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:14,847
No signs of life.

1045
01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:21,128
No movements or anything
after the parachute stopped.

1046
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,968
It was before the days
of the mobile phone.

1047
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:32,206
It was decided my brother
would run down

1048
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,927
to call the police
and start the rescue operation.

1049
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:48,724
I waited, looking down on him,
on top of the mountain.

1050
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:59,609
Police district Romsdalen,
on Saturday the 7th of July, '84

1051
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,964
approximately 4:35pm,
I received a call from Arnstein Myskja.

1052
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:07,289
Arnstein explained he was calling
from Trollstigen Fjellstue

1053
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:11,007
and reported that he had just,
at approximately at 3:50pm,

1054
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:15,370
been a witness to Boenish, Carl Ronald,
jump from Stabben,

1055
01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:18,370
a mountaintop situated
between Trollveggen and Semletind

1056
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:20,369
in Trolltindmassivet.

1057
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,251
The jump had,
for one reason or another, failed

1058
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:27,809
such that Boenish hit the mountain wall
and was suspended over the valley.

1059
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,524
MYSKJA: We had brought a camera each,

1060
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:38,611
and we were taking pictures
when the accident happened.

1061
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:43,123
You get so shocked
you started to think about...

1062
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,289
That you don't want to sell the photos.

1063
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:50,200
Why don't we have the photos
and just don't sell it?

1064
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,722
It's not more difficult than that.

1065
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:59,450
But we decided to destroy the pictures.

1066
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:04,169
Just to open up
and pull it out of the cassette

1067
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:08,484
so it was fully exposed to the light.

1068
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,200
LONG: I went back to where I was staying
after we wrapped.

1069
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:27,484
I think I just laid down. It was
probably still mid to late afternoon

1070
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,046
and I didn't really get up
until the next morning

1071
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,562
when Fred came hammering on my door,

1072
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,047
saying Carl's been in an accident.

1073
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:39,842
Fred came and got me. I got in the car.

1074
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,162
We drove down, looked up,
saw Carl's body.

1075
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:43,805
It wasn't moving.

1076
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,641
But his red parachute
was sort of billowing in the air.

1077
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,047
He was probably
three quarters of a mile away

1078
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:54,125
and a couple thousand feet
up the flank of the bottom of the wall.

1079
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,004
We went back to the police and said,

1080
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:02,444
"We're going to have to try and figure
something out to get up to get him."

1081
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:06,884
They're going to have to call in
a coast guard helicopter, and they did.

1082
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:11,165
They had to fly up into the slab
at the bottom of the wall.

1083
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:15,444
We couldn't really climb up to it.
It was sort of an isolated area,

1084
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:19,007
but they recovered Carl's body,
brought it on the helicopter.

1085
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:24,047
They flew that helicopter down
to the police station and landed.

1086
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,924
Meanwhile,
we hadn't gotten a hold of Jean,

1087
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,607
which was probably not fair to her.

1088
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:36,931
Nobody got a hold of Jean
until the helicopter was on its way.

1089
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,687
I was there with the police officer
and let me tell you,

1090
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,282
one of the boldest things
I've ever seen anybody do,

1091
01:23:44,440 --> 01:23:47,205
was to call her up.
I mean, I'll never forget it.

1092
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:52,008
This guy is talking on the phone.
He knew that the situation was bad.

1093
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:55,329
And he's talking to her
and he was holding it together

1094
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:57,568
with the last ounce of strength
that he had

1095
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:01,207
saying your husband
had been involved in an accident

1096
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:02,810
and it doesn't look good.

1097
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:06,561
I'll never forget watching that. God!

1098
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:09,490
That was awful watching that.

1099
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:13,526
But...

1100
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,646
That was just one of those things
where you just had to watch it

1101
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,810
and deal with it, you know?
It was like, "This is happening."

1102
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,844
"Is this really happening?"
Well, it was, you know?

1103
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,370
JEAN: The police had come. Two of them.

1104
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,491
And I met them downstairs
at Griiners' hytter.

1105
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:45,767
And they told me that Carl was dead.

1106
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:51,882
Everybody in the room looked at me,
silently.

1107
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:57,166
And I could tell instantly
that it was up to me and my response...

1108
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:04,962
...to determine the entire atmosphere
that would surround everything

1109
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,521
that would happen
subsequent to this announcement.

1110
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,769
At first, I didn't understand
because it didn't make sense

1111
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:14,970
because I still thought
he had jumped from Bruraskaret.

1112
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:19,165
But then as the conversation proceeded,

1113
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,529
that was when it was revealed
that he had jumped from Stabben.

1114
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:26,964
And things started to fall into place
in a very different way.

1115
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:36,408
So my response may not have been
what they expected because...

1116
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:44,765
...I needed to put on the hat
of finding out what happened.

1117
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,362
Carl and I were not just husband
and wife. We were professionals.

1118
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:49,760
We were pioneers.

1119
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:56,490
We were people working together
in something that was a vital activity.

1120
01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:01,083
And as a vital activity that other
people were participating in as well,

1121
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:05,609
the necessity was to find out
what in the world happened.

1122
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,328
He had a good exit.

1123
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:12,728
But somehow obviously
got turned around into the cliff.

1124
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:20,042
And that is not a site where
you have achieved the distance

1125
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,164
from the cliff that you need
to be able to handle

1126
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:27,609
being turned into the cliff
that soon upon opening.

1127
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:33,568
I have a picture in my mind of him
lying here with his red helmet on.

1128
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:37,730
A blue jacket and also the injuries.

1129
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:45,281
He had many bad injuries
and serious injuries both in breast,

1130
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:49,564
head and also the arms and the legs.

1131
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,326
I think he died immediately.

1132
01:26:53,280 --> 01:27:00,880
I could see that it looked like Carl,

1133
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,288
as far as the presence of the body.

1134
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:09,884
But the real Carl
was absolutely clearly not there.

1135
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,401
I have seen a lot of dead people,
and dying,

1136
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:16,730
but this particular moment here
is one of the strongest moments

1137
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:22,085
because of his visions, his dreams,
and what he did in Trollveggen.

1138
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:28,481
What Carl did was something that
the whole country was interested in.

1139
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:33,846
So it was... it was strange.

1140
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,645
Touching.

1141
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,081
It's about...

1142
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:44,045
...limits. Living on the edge.

1143
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:49,326
And, of course, his dreams as I said,
his vision,

1144
01:27:49,480 --> 01:27:52,643
and then suddenly he was here,
lying dead.

1145
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:57,368
And you know, when they are here,
they are really dead.

1146
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:07,444
JEAN: After that we got on a ferry

1147
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,131
and it was just, you know, beautiful.

1148
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:15,287
And I cried a little in the car.

1149
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:21,285
And kept driving back to Andalsnes
to Griiners' hytter.

1150
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,401
A couple of days after Carl died

1151
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:30,367
was the day that Erik Fenz
was planning on jumping.

1152
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:36,489
There I was. I was going to jump off
the Troll Wall and Carl dies.

1153
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,126
I'm just, like, holy shit.

1154
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:42,687
But there was something that was,
you know,

1155
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,406
there was something that was
bigger than the moment

1156
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:49,241
that was driving me to want to continue.

1157
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:55,923
JEAN: Word spread like wildfire
that Carl had died.

1158
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:01,001
Very quickly people around the world
in the jumping community

1159
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:02,565
knew what had happened.

1160
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:07,720
And it really, really shocked
and shook so many people.

1161
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:09,410
I said, "I want to still do it."

1162
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:14,931
She was like, "I want to do it too.
With you. We're going to go do it."

1163
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:24,603
Not wanting him to seem disrespectful
in making ajump,

1164
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:30,921
it would remove any aura
of seeming disrespect

1165
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:39,403
for me to be the one to be making a jump
first after Carl's death

1166
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:45,010
to show people it's fine, it's OK.

1167
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:49,802
Carl wanted everybody to get on
with their lives after he died

1168
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:53,766
and that there was nothing wrong
with BASE jumping because of this.

1169
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:57,726
We just had to learn from it and go on.

1170
01:30:34,440 --> 01:30:37,728
(WOMAN SPEAKING IN NORWEGIAN)

1171
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:55,203
JEAN: As I was under canopy
coming down from that jump

1172
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:59,041
I had my last personal time.

1173
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,487
I had my last quiet time.

1174
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,120
And I could see as I was coming in
for a landing

1175
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:08,370
that there was a group
that had gathered.

1176
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:13,606
And there was the prospect
of having to deal with the press.

1177
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:19,808
Well, I'm a BASE jumper.
And I'm a professional.

1178
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:25,131
And Carl wanted that no one
should miss a beat in their lives

1179
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:29,080
if and when he died,
whenever that would have been.

1180
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:31,282
And it didn't matter how.

1181
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:33,880
Everybody goes through
the same things in life.

1182
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,004
From the time they're born
to the time they die.

1183
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,009
We all go through birth and death.

1184
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:43,921
But we have had cultural pressures
about how to handle it.

1185
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:46,646
What did you feel doing this jump today?

1186
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:51,049
It was just like any other BASE jump.
It was the same.

1187
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:54,607
Were you thinking of some special thing?

1188
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:58,770
No. No. Nothing really special.

1189
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:02,248
So you didn't have your husband in mind?

1190
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:07,207
Well, under canopy I thought of him.
But that's really kind of personal.

1191
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:15,606
Everyone has his own real way
of reacting. It will be individual.

1192
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:21,409
And BASE jumping encourages people
to think as individuals,

1193
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:25,241
to discover and explore
their individuality.

1194
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,091
It is not unique to BASE jumping.

1195
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:32,842
BASE jumping is just
a condensed version.

1196
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:38,080
Somehow, in this earthly experience,

1197
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:41,011
we have to depart.

1198
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:45,364
There has been no one who has not
departed from this earthly experience.

1199
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:50,887
So don't let death impede you
as a hurdle.

1200
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:54,362
Don't let it be a wall
that you bang up against

1201
01:32:54,480 --> 01:32:57,290
and then can't see past,
can't see through,

1202
01:32:57,400 --> 01:32:59,846
can't see over.

1203
01:32:59,960 --> 01:33:03,931
Climb the walls quickly as you can
and go on.

1204
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:10,369
We know everyone
doesn't want to do this

1205
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:12,807
but if they see us do it,
they can be inspired

1206
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,924
to go out and bowl a perfect 300 game
or mow the lawn.

1207
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:19,169
It doesn't matter what.
They're encouraged by what we can do.

1208
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:22,767
I think it makes, you know,
a better quality life for us

1209
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:24,962
to know that we can do this.

1210
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,128
You always wondered with Carl

1211
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:34,402
that underneath, what's the real story?

1212
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:37,331
What are those core beliefs
that would drive you to do that?

1213
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:39,920
I got to think
it's that sort of mystical thing

1214
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:42,646
where he thought that he could...
That mind-over-matter thing.

1215
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:45,087
He was the one person
that could get away with it.

1216
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:48,488
But the Troll Wall had other ideas.

1217
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:12,804
JEAN: What deserves the praise?

1218
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:15,321
Death doesn't deserve praise.

1219
01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:21,322
Life and the wondrous works that
we do in life from our good ideas,

1220
01:34:21,480 --> 01:34:24,245
those deserve the praise.

1221
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:26,681
That's what we should be standing by.

1222
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:30,287
That's what we should be
paying attention to.

1223
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,131
And that's what Carl was all about.

1224
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:45,760
Carl would love to have the new wing
suit flyers standing on his shoulders

1225
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:47,962
and jumping v"-

1226
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:53,928
They have taken from what
he was trying to inspire in people

1227
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:57,607
about breaking through
artificial limitations

1228
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:03,847
and going beyond what people say
can or cannot be done.

1229
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:12,044
He would be right there
with the wing suit flyers.

1230
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:14,208
And, in essence, is.

1231
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:35,484
<i>(THE AIR THAT I BREATHE
BY THE HOLMES</i>

1232
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:42,129
<i>If I could make a wish</i>

1233
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:46,922
<i>I think I'd pass</i>

1234
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:55,649
<i>Can't think of anything I need</i>

1235
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:04,441
No cigarettes, <i>no</i> sleep

1236
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:11,170
<i>No light, no sound</i>

1237
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:15,126
<i>Nothing to eat</i>

1238
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:20,167
<i>No books to read</i>

1239
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:26,207
Sometimes

1240
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:30,490
<i>All I need is the air that I breathe</i>

1241
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:33,888
<i>And to love you</i>

1242
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:38,728
<i>All I need is the air that I breathe</i>

1243
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:42,362
<i>Yes, to love you</i>

1244
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:50,243
<i>All I need is the air that I breathe</i>

1245
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:14,122
Sometimes

1246
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:18,444
<i>All I need is the air that I breathe</i>

1247
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:22,451
<i>And to love you</i>

1248
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:26,849
<i>All I need is the air that I breathe</i>

1249
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:31,005
<i>Yes, to love you</i>

1250
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:38,527
<i>All I need is the air that I breathe</i>

1251
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:50,927
<i>PGGCQ came UPON me</i>

1252
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:57,446
<i>And it leaves me weak</i>

1253
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:03,325
<i>So sleep, silent angel</i>

1254
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:06,489
Go <i>to</i> sleep

1255
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:13,127
Sometimes

1256
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:17,165
<i>All I need is the air that I breathe</i>

1257
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:20,170
<i>And to love you</i>

1258
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:25,730
<i>All I need is the air that I breathe</i>

1259
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:28,446
<i>And to love you</i>

1260
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:31,285
<i>(SUNSHINE SUPERMAN
BY</i> DONOVAN)

1261
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:46,724
<i>Sunshine came softly</i>

1262
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:50,805
<i>Through my a-window today</i>

1263
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:54,248
<i>Could've tripped out easy</i>

1264
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:58,331
<i>it But I've a-changed my ways</i>

1265
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:05,682
<i>It'll take time, I know it
But in a while</i>

1266
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:10,245
<i>You're gonna be mine, I know it</i>

1267
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:13,409
<i>We'll do it in style</i>

1268
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:19,448
<i>Cos I made my mind up
You're going to be mine</i>

1269
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:20,891
<i>I'll tell you right now</i>

1270
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:24,886
<i>Any trick in the book now, baby</i>

1271
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:27,731
<i>All that I can find</i>

1272
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:30,320
<i>Superman or Green Lantern</i>

1273
01:40:30,440 --> 01:40:34,331
<i>Ain't got a-nothin' on me</i>

1274
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:37,603
<i>I can make like a turtle</i>

1275
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:42,971
<i>And dive for your pearls in the sea</i>

1276
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:48,929
<i>A-you can just sit there thinking
on your velvet throne</i>

1277
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:50,411
Yes

1278
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:55,248
<i>About all the rainbows a-you can
a-have for your own</i>

1279
01:40:57,120 --> 01:41:03,082
<i>Cos I've made my mind up
You're going to to be mine</i>

1280
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:04,844
<i>I tell you right now</i>

1281
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:08,442
<i>Any trick in the book a-now, baby</i>

1282
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:11,769
<i>All that I can find</i>

1283
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:18,411
<i>Everybody's hustlin'
a- just to have a little scene</i>

1284
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:21,163
<i>When I say we'll be cool</i>

1285
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:24,921
<i>I think that you know what I mean</i>

1286
01:41:26,440 --> 01:41:29,762
<i>We stood on a beach at sunset</i>

1287
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:32,850
<i>Do you remember when?</i>

1288
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:37,489
<i>I know a beach where, baby</i>

1289
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:40,365
<i>A-it never ends</i>

1290
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:43,569
<i>When you've made your mind up</i>

1291
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:46,889
<i>Forever to be mine</i>

1292
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:48,525
<i>Mm-mm-mm-mm</i>

1293
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:54,682
<i>I'll pick up your hand
And slowly blow your little mind</i>

1294
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:58,009
<i>Cos I made my mind up</i>

1295
01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:01,050
<i>You're going to be mine</i>

1296
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:02,531
<i>I'll tell you right now</i>

1297
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:06,531
<i>Any trick in the book a-now, baby</i>

1298
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:10,287
<i>That I can find</i>

1299
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:59,242
<i>Superman or Green Lantern
ain't got a-nothin' on me</i>

1300
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:02,562
<i>I can make like a turtle</i>

1301
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:07,527
<i>And dive for your pearls in the sea
Yep</i>

1302
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:09,688
<i>A-you, you, you can just sit there</i>

1303
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:14,681
<i>While thinking on your velvet throne</i>

1304
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:18,646
<i>'Bout all the rainbows you can</i>

1305
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:21,604
<i>A-have for your own</i>

1306
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:24,803
<i>When you've made your mind up</i>

1307
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:27,764
<i>Forever to be mine</i>

1308
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:29,570
<i>Mm-mm-mm-mm</i>

1309
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:31,290
<i>I'll pick up your hand</i>

1310
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:35,962
<i>And slowly blow your little mind</i>

1311
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:39,209
<i>When you've made your mind up</i>

1312
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:42,204
<i>Forever to be mine</i>

1313
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:45,762
<i>I'll pick up your hand</i>

1314
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:50,966
<i>And slowly blow your little mind</i>

1315
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:53,970
<i>Blow your little mind...</i>

1316
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:58,167


1317
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:29,804