1 00:00:29,696 --> 00:00:33,894 We never ever had any idea 2 00:00:34,201 --> 00:00:35,930 that this would be as explosively 3 00:00:36,236 --> 00:00:37,999 successful as it was. 4 00:00:44,545 --> 00:00:47,173 Fastest to Fortune 500 5 00:00:47,447 --> 00:00:50,348 and fastest to over a billion? 6 00:00:50,617 --> 00:00:54,075 I would've just said you're blowing smoke. 7 00:01:00,561 --> 00:01:05,055 Compaq is the story of how David takes on Goliath, 8 00:01:05,365 --> 00:01:07,196 and it's not easy, but when you do it, 9 00:01:07,467 --> 00:01:10,368 it fundamentally changes society. 10 00:01:15,709 --> 00:01:18,405 We hope you, too, come to believe that the Compaq 11 00:01:18,712 --> 00:01:20,543 is an important landmark in the short history 12 00:01:20,814 --> 00:01:22,372 of the personal computer field. 13 00:01:22,649 --> 00:01:23,206 Thank you. 14 00:01:25,419 --> 00:01:26,977 Compaq was basically 15 00:01:27,287 --> 00:01:29,448 prying open a lock box. 16 00:01:29,756 --> 00:01:31,155 It's analogous to somebody 17 00:01:31,458 --> 00:01:34,586 saying we're going to put Google out of business. 18 00:01:34,895 --> 00:01:37,056 Are you a Mac or a PC? 19 00:01:37,331 --> 00:01:40,926 The reason they don't say Mac or an IBM is because of Compaq. 20 00:01:41,234 --> 00:01:43,566 You cannot get to the iPhone without 21 00:01:43,837 --> 00:01:44,633 the original Compaq portable. 22 00:01:58,652 --> 00:02:04,454 Man, if you're looking for action. 23 00:02:04,758 --> 00:02:07,352 Man, Houston's the town. 24 00:02:07,661 --> 00:02:09,526 Here's the action town. 25 00:02:09,830 --> 00:02:10,819 One of the first things 26 00:02:11,131 --> 00:02:13,122 I bought when I got a real job, which 27 00:02:13,433 --> 00:02:19,861 was a sacker at a grocery store making $0.45 an hour, 28 00:02:20,173 --> 00:02:26,669 was a '53 Ford for $350. 29 00:02:26,980 --> 00:02:28,174 We'd take our cars way out to North 30 00:02:28,482 --> 00:02:29,642 Houston where it was deserted roads 31 00:02:29,950 --> 00:02:32,851 and maybe run a few races. 32 00:02:33,153 --> 00:02:35,849 And I ain't jivin'. 33 00:02:36,156 --> 00:02:37,817 Street drag racing, like you see in the movies 34 00:02:38,125 --> 00:02:40,286 where you're going around Dead Man's Curve. 35 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,051 Man, Houston's the town. 36 00:02:43,363 --> 00:02:45,695 There weren't any video games. 37 00:02:45,999 --> 00:02:48,832 That car was my computer. 38 00:02:49,136 --> 00:02:50,569 I loved working on it. 39 00:02:50,871 --> 00:02:53,863 I'd change spark plugs, and set the points on the distributor, 40 00:02:54,174 --> 00:02:58,474 and adjust the timing, and that natural inclination 41 00:02:58,745 --> 00:03:00,178 to try to understand how it worked 42 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,179 and to not be afraid of taking it apart and working on it. 43 00:03:05,485 --> 00:03:08,818 I got a lot of enjoyment out of it. 44 00:03:09,089 --> 00:03:11,580 Speak and Spell, a revolutionary learning 45 00:03:11,892 --> 00:03:13,325 aid from Texas Instruments. 46 00:03:13,593 --> 00:03:14,582 It almost thinks. 47 00:03:14,895 --> 00:03:16,260 We were very lucky to have 48 00:03:16,563 --> 00:03:19,327 a high tech company, like Texas Instruments, in Houston. 49 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:21,191 The learning can go on with the Texas 50 00:03:21,501 --> 00:03:22,866 Instruments TI-30. 51 00:03:23,170 --> 00:03:24,933 Specially designed for high school students 52 00:03:25,238 --> 00:03:28,366 to help them find the wonder of numbers never ends. 53 00:03:28,675 --> 00:03:29,869 That's where I wanted to go, 54 00:03:30,177 --> 00:03:32,543 and I got the job and that really got me started 55 00:03:32,846 --> 00:03:33,676 in high tech electronics. 56 00:03:37,851 --> 00:03:41,287 The bosses asked me to take a small team of people 57 00:03:41,588 --> 00:03:43,055 to develop an intelligent terminal. 58 00:03:43,356 --> 00:03:44,584 It was a predecessor to the PC. 59 00:03:47,461 --> 00:03:48,723 He called me up and said, Bill, 60 00:03:49,029 --> 00:03:51,054 would you come work for me and be my business 61 00:03:51,364 --> 00:03:51,887 development manager? 62 00:03:56,903 --> 00:03:59,428 I came out of Texas A&M, 63 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:00,798 electrical engineering degree. 64 00:04:05,412 --> 00:04:06,538 Bill was the marketing guy, 65 00:04:06,813 --> 00:04:08,280 and he was a good one. 66 00:04:08,582 --> 00:04:11,915 Jim was the engineering guy, and even though I was an engineer 67 00:04:12,219 --> 00:04:13,311 by background, I was really sort of 68 00:04:13,620 --> 00:04:15,986 the business guy, the general manager type. 69 00:04:16,289 --> 00:04:20,419 While TI was a great place, as the fun became less 70 00:04:20,727 --> 00:04:25,061 and less over time, Rod and Bill and I would quip to each other, 71 00:04:25,332 --> 00:04:27,061 like, let's go do something. 72 00:04:27,334 --> 00:04:31,236 We were seeing what was going on in Silicon Valley. 73 00:04:37,110 --> 00:04:38,338 You wandered around, 74 00:04:38,645 --> 00:04:40,340 there was still a lot of fruit trees. 75 00:04:40,647 --> 00:04:41,909 It was a lot of empty space. 76 00:04:42,182 --> 00:04:44,650 There was no Silicon Valley as we think of it today. 77 00:04:49,356 --> 00:04:50,789 It started out as purely 78 00:04:51,091 --> 00:04:53,685 hobbyist, not commercial. 79 00:04:53,994 --> 00:04:55,985 You had to solder your own connections 80 00:04:56,296 --> 00:04:58,355 and build your kits. 81 00:04:58,665 --> 00:05:01,099 You had the microprocessor become available 82 00:05:01,368 --> 00:05:02,926 in the very early 1970's, and you 83 00:05:03,203 --> 00:05:08,163 saw a lot of hobbyists coming up with new ways to use it. 84 00:05:08,475 --> 00:05:09,601 When we were out there 85 00:05:09,876 --> 00:05:13,368 it was just exhilarating to be around these guys 86 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,172 and to see their enthusiasm. 87 00:05:17,484 --> 00:05:18,974 The VP of engineering of a small company 88 00:05:19,286 --> 00:05:21,982 would pull up in his Ferrari, which at TI you're 89 00:05:22,289 --> 00:05:23,278 never going to have a Ferrari. 90 00:05:23,557 --> 00:05:24,489 Maybe you can rent one once. 91 00:05:27,561 --> 00:05:29,791 What are we doing? 92 00:05:30,063 --> 00:05:32,156 It was like, oh my goodness, this 93 00:05:32,465 --> 00:05:33,864 is what I would like to do. 94 00:05:34,167 --> 00:05:38,126 Seeded this sense of we ought to go do something together. 95 00:05:38,405 --> 00:05:39,997 Let's just go do something. 96 00:05:40,307 --> 00:05:41,501 Wasn't about getting rich. 97 00:05:41,808 --> 00:05:44,402 It wasn't about building a computer. 98 00:05:44,711 --> 00:05:47,976 It was really about starting a company that 99 00:05:48,248 --> 00:05:49,215 would be a good place to work. 100 00:05:51,685 --> 00:05:52,982 Bill said, why don't we come over 101 00:05:53,253 --> 00:05:56,086 to my house Thursday at 7:30. 102 00:05:56,389 --> 00:05:59,222 And we said, let's do that. 103 00:05:59,526 --> 00:06:01,323 We can at least have a beer. 104 00:06:01,595 --> 00:06:04,257 We bought a thing called Entrepreneur's Manual. 105 00:06:04,564 --> 00:06:06,156 Because surely that'll tell us how to put 106 00:06:06,433 --> 00:06:07,866 together a successful company. 107 00:06:08,168 --> 00:06:09,897 We sit at a table, we each have our piece of paper 108 00:06:10,203 --> 00:06:11,761 with us and a pen, and we're going to start 109 00:06:12,072 --> 00:06:13,198 taking notes about what we say. 110 00:06:13,506 --> 00:06:17,374 It's like, OK, what do we do now? 111 00:06:17,677 --> 00:06:20,373 Let's talk about all the possibilities. 112 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,045 One of the things we did, sort of, 113 00:06:22,349 --> 00:06:24,510 traditionally, was we would go out and eat Mexican food. 114 00:06:24,784 --> 00:06:26,217 Pepe's Tacos restaurants. 115 00:06:26,519 --> 00:06:28,009 Treat yourself to the wonderful world 116 00:06:28,288 --> 00:06:31,086 of Mexican food and authentic Mexican atmosphere. 117 00:06:31,391 --> 00:06:32,881 Bill and I always wanted 118 00:06:33,193 --> 00:06:36,629 to do a Mexican food restaurant, so we brought that up. 119 00:06:36,930 --> 00:06:39,023 Maybe a Mexican food restaurant. 120 00:06:39,299 --> 00:06:40,698 We didn't really want to do 121 00:06:40,967 --> 00:06:42,195 a Mexican food restaurant. 122 00:06:42,469 --> 00:06:44,403 What a stupid idea that would've been. 123 00:06:44,704 --> 00:06:45,728 Pepe's Tacos restaurants 124 00:06:46,039 --> 00:06:47,529 are the family fun place to be. 125 00:06:47,807 --> 00:06:51,709 We finally decided, as you would hope, I guess, 126 00:06:51,978 --> 00:06:55,470 that we ought to stick with what we knew. 127 00:06:55,782 --> 00:06:59,548 And we toasted the beginning of starting a company. 128 00:06:59,819 --> 00:07:01,116 You're probably on your way 129 00:07:01,421 --> 00:07:03,286 up to the top of the ladder. 130 00:07:03,590 --> 00:07:05,558 Texas Instruments, a terrific company. 131 00:07:05,825 --> 00:07:07,486 And you did a silly thing like quit to try to start 132 00:07:07,794 --> 00:07:08,761 your own computer company. 133 00:07:09,062 --> 00:07:11,929 People must have thought you were nuts. 134 00:07:12,232 --> 00:07:13,995 We went to the credit unions 135 00:07:14,301 --> 00:07:15,427 and took out loans. 136 00:07:15,735 --> 00:07:17,635 I knew that I could last 6 months 137 00:07:17,938 --> 00:07:19,667 after I sold my wife's car. 138 00:07:19,973 --> 00:07:23,101 I had three small children, and a wife, 139 00:07:23,410 --> 00:07:25,002 and mortgage. 140 00:07:25,312 --> 00:07:28,076 I'd actually, recently married Rhonda. 141 00:07:28,348 --> 00:07:30,942 I was meeting a lot of her extended family, 142 00:07:31,251 --> 00:07:32,980 and it would be like, what do you do? 143 00:07:33,286 --> 00:07:36,200 Well, I've actually left my job, and I want to start a company. 144 00:07:36,323 --> 00:07:37,290 Oh, that's great. 145 00:07:37,590 --> 00:07:38,989 What is that going to be? 146 00:07:39,292 --> 00:07:41,590 Well, we hadn't decided yet. 147 00:07:41,861 --> 00:07:43,089 And you quit your job? 148 00:07:43,363 --> 00:07:44,625 Yes. 149 00:07:44,931 --> 00:07:46,922 And you could tell they were thinking, poor Rhonda. 150 00:07:54,307 --> 00:07:55,638 The success of IBM had 151 00:07:55,942 --> 00:07:59,503 come about through mainframe computers. 152 00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:02,338 IBM was making big computers 153 00:08:02,649 --> 00:08:05,982 to sell to big companies. 154 00:08:06,286 --> 00:08:09,016 Computers were treated as a priesthood, 155 00:08:09,322 --> 00:08:11,153 and only the priests could touch them, 156 00:08:11,458 --> 00:08:14,359 and everyone else looked through a glass wall. 157 00:08:14,661 --> 00:08:16,458 Eventually, the users wanted to get 158 00:08:16,730 --> 00:08:20,222 hold of that computing power. 159 00:08:20,533 --> 00:08:21,864 IBM wanted to maintain control 160 00:08:22,168 --> 00:08:23,635 over the computing industry as they 161 00:08:23,903 --> 00:08:25,734 had during the 60's and 70's. 162 00:08:26,039 --> 00:08:27,301 Let's build something for the masses 163 00:08:27,574 --> 00:08:29,041 that they can buy and become a commodity. 164 00:08:29,342 --> 00:08:32,175 Everyone else was struggling 165 00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:36,176 to get a permanent foothold. 166 00:08:36,483 --> 00:08:41,853 First PCs, Apple II, Commodore, RadioShack... 167 00:08:42,155 --> 00:08:44,885 It was still a tiny market. 168 00:08:45,191 --> 00:08:51,994 The game changer was when IBM entered the market in '81. 169 00:08:52,265 --> 00:08:54,426 IBM, International Business Machines, 170 00:08:54,734 --> 00:08:57,760 has entered the small computer market for the first time. 171 00:08:58,071 --> 00:08:59,834 It's expected to have a major impact 172 00:09:00,106 --> 00:09:02,199 on what is now the fastest growing sector 173 00:09:02,509 --> 00:09:03,498 of the computer business. 174 00:09:03,777 --> 00:09:04,835 IBM said, we're going 175 00:09:05,111 --> 00:09:08,171 to go from selling million dollar computers 176 00:09:08,448 --> 00:09:10,712 to a few thousand people, to $1,000 computers 177 00:09:11,017 --> 00:09:11,847 to a few million people. 178 00:09:12,118 --> 00:09:13,278 IBM's personal computer 179 00:09:13,586 --> 00:09:15,918 is designed for office, school, or home use. 180 00:09:16,222 --> 00:09:19,385 It's aimed at exactly the same market as its competitors. 181 00:09:19,692 --> 00:09:21,717 It's expected to be sold very aggressively. 182 00:09:22,028 --> 00:09:23,120 And the race was on. 183 00:09:23,430 --> 00:09:26,399 This was going to cause that market to explode. 184 00:09:26,699 --> 00:09:28,064 Sales of personal computers 185 00:09:28,368 --> 00:09:30,461 are so hot this Christmas, Santa Claus may have to replace 186 00:09:30,770 --> 00:09:32,362 his reindeer with microchips. 187 00:09:32,639 --> 00:09:34,869 850,000 people bought home computers 188 00:09:35,141 --> 00:09:36,870 in the United States last year. 189 00:09:37,143 --> 00:09:40,078 The industry expects, this year, more than 3 million will. 190 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:41,711 We're no longer on the verge 191 00:09:41,981 --> 00:09:43,539 of the personal computer revolution. 192 00:09:43,817 --> 00:09:45,910 We're right in the midst of it with more and more people 193 00:09:46,219 --> 00:09:48,744 jumping aboard every day. 194 00:09:49,055 --> 00:09:51,285 Osborne was being very successful 195 00:09:51,591 --> 00:09:53,957 with an extraordinarily ugly portable. 196 00:09:54,260 --> 00:09:56,592 And Rod had purchased the IBM PC, 197 00:09:56,896 --> 00:10:00,559 so he could write business plans on it, 198 00:10:00,834 --> 00:10:03,962 and it became obvious to him that that PC, 199 00:10:04,270 --> 00:10:06,431 if it was portable, that would be a good product. 200 00:10:06,739 --> 00:10:08,297 What popped in my head was, well, 201 00:10:08,608 --> 00:10:12,510 if we could take this idea for a portable, 202 00:10:12,812 --> 00:10:13,938 and we could make it run the software that 203 00:10:14,247 --> 00:10:18,013 was written for the IBM PC, ooh, that's when 204 00:10:18,318 --> 00:10:19,250 the chill went down my spine. 205 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:22,579 It's like, oh, man, would that sell. 206 00:10:26,359 --> 00:10:27,519 Welcome to the Computer Chronicles. 207 00:10:27,827 --> 00:10:30,022 I'm Stewart Cheifet and this is Gary Kildall. 208 00:10:30,330 --> 00:10:33,458 And, Gary, our subject today is IBM and the dominant role 209 00:10:33,766 --> 00:10:35,290 they play in the computer world in general 210 00:10:35,602 --> 00:10:36,796 and the PC world in particular. 211 00:10:37,103 --> 00:10:38,502 Matter of fact, they've taken over the phrase PC. 212 00:10:38,805 --> 00:10:39,931 It doesn't mean personal computer anymore, 213 00:10:40,206 --> 00:10:42,003 it means an IBM personal computer. 214 00:10:42,308 --> 00:10:45,277 IBM has always had this mentality that it 215 00:10:45,545 --> 00:10:46,876 is the king of the world. 216 00:10:47,180 --> 00:10:49,341 What do you think would be the biggest threat to IBM's 217 00:10:49,649 --> 00:10:50,843 position in this situation? 218 00:10:51,151 --> 00:10:53,381 Well, I don't think that anything is really 219 00:10:53,686 --> 00:10:55,483 a threat to the IBM position, and I 220 00:10:55,788 --> 00:10:59,053 don't anticipate that they will begin to decline. 221 00:10:59,359 --> 00:11:00,223 IBM didn't care. 222 00:11:03,730 --> 00:11:06,392 If you weren't Xerox, if you didn't have that massive, 223 00:11:06,699 --> 00:11:09,133 New York, type presence that loomed over the entire country, 224 00:11:09,402 --> 00:11:09,891 you didn't matter. 225 00:11:14,007 --> 00:11:15,838 We weren't really good at writing business plans, 226 00:11:16,142 --> 00:11:17,404 but we knew that the way a product looked 227 00:11:17,710 --> 00:11:19,371 was important to people. 228 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,544 Ted Papa John was an industrial designer, 229 00:11:21,848 --> 00:11:24,749 and we got him, and we drove over to the House of Pies 230 00:11:25,051 --> 00:11:25,915 for two things. 231 00:11:26,219 --> 00:11:27,743 One, a piece of pie, and the other 232 00:11:28,054 --> 00:11:31,512 was to convey to Ted our ideals for what 233 00:11:31,824 --> 00:11:34,190 the unit may look like. 234 00:11:34,494 --> 00:11:36,894 We walked in, looked around, picked a booth 235 00:11:37,197 --> 00:11:39,188 that was kind of by itself. 236 00:11:39,499 --> 00:11:41,729 Unfortunately, we hadn't thought to bring anything with us, 237 00:11:42,035 --> 00:11:44,833 so we turned over the placemat and borrowed a pencil 238 00:11:45,104 --> 00:11:49,666 from the waitress, and proceeded to describe to Ted Papa John 239 00:11:49,943 --> 00:11:52,503 how we wanted it to look. 240 00:11:52,779 --> 00:11:54,940 What he drew was something that 241 00:11:55,248 --> 00:11:56,579 was very professional looking. 242 00:11:56,883 --> 00:11:59,044 We knew where the monitor would go, what the size was, 243 00:11:59,352 --> 00:12:02,185 how the keyboard would go in. 244 00:12:02,455 --> 00:12:04,514 Laid out somewhat like an Osborne 245 00:12:04,791 --> 00:12:07,521 but with much smoother lines, plastic molded case, 246 00:12:07,794 --> 00:12:11,457 keyboard just like an IBM PC. 247 00:12:11,764 --> 00:12:15,359 As I saw that sketch coming together on the paper, 248 00:12:15,635 --> 00:12:18,263 there was an excitement. 249 00:12:18,571 --> 00:12:19,799 We're going to make this work. 250 00:12:20,106 --> 00:12:23,633 I didn't know how yet, but it was headed that way. 251 00:12:23,943 --> 00:12:25,103 This is something we can get funding for. 252 00:12:33,219 --> 00:12:35,779 Post Mark Zuckerberg inventing Facebook 253 00:12:36,089 --> 00:12:38,057 in high school, there is this different path which 254 00:12:38,324 --> 00:12:42,260 is oh, if I study this stuff and I learn computers, 255 00:12:42,562 --> 00:12:44,587 I can move to Palo Alto when I graduate college, 256 00:12:44,897 --> 00:12:47,457 and there's just money raining from the sky. 257 00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:49,496 Uber growth at Uber. 258 00:12:49,802 --> 00:12:51,565 Reuters has learned that the ride sharing service see 259 00:12:51,838 --> 00:12:54,398 its global bookings more than tripling this year 260 00:12:54,674 --> 00:12:56,403 to nearly $11 billion dollars. 261 00:12:56,676 --> 00:12:58,644 A picture is worth a thousand words, 262 00:12:58,945 --> 00:13:01,641 and for Instagram, a billion dollars. 263 00:13:01,948 --> 00:13:03,939 SnapChat, the barely three-year-old company, 264 00:13:04,250 --> 00:13:08,346 raised almost half a billion dollars in investment funding. 265 00:13:08,655 --> 00:13:10,247 There's just so much venture capital. 266 00:13:10,523 --> 00:13:12,855 Back then, there wasn't that much. 267 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:14,626 If you wanted to start a computer company, 268 00:13:14,927 --> 00:13:18,021 there was literally nobody. 269 00:13:18,331 --> 00:13:21,164 You had to go get a bank loan, you had to have collateral. 270 00:13:21,467 --> 00:13:22,764 If you weren't walking in, 271 00:13:23,036 --> 00:13:25,368 in a suit... a nice suit, and a tie, 272 00:13:25,672 --> 00:13:28,766 and you had this education, and you had this background, 273 00:13:29,042 --> 00:13:30,942 and this many decades of experience, 274 00:13:31,210 --> 00:13:33,940 nobody wanted to even listen to you. 275 00:13:34,213 --> 00:13:38,013 We received an introduction to meet 276 00:13:38,318 --> 00:13:39,683 Rod, Bill, and Jim in Houston. 277 00:13:42,789 --> 00:13:46,281 Their business plan had a sketch of the portable computer 278 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,959 on the back of a placemat from the House of Pies. 279 00:13:49,228 --> 00:13:53,961 And they showed for first year sales of $30 million. 280 00:13:54,233 --> 00:13:56,531 Now, that was absurd. 281 00:13:56,836 --> 00:13:59,999 You're taking a chance on somebody from a big company 282 00:14:00,306 --> 00:14:03,673 starting a new company. 283 00:14:03,976 --> 00:14:06,877 It's whether it's a gut feeling or something 284 00:14:07,180 --> 00:14:09,341 about the discussion you have with them 285 00:14:09,649 --> 00:14:12,015 that you feel is going to help differentiate 286 00:14:12,318 --> 00:14:15,913 them from other people. 287 00:14:16,222 --> 00:14:18,690 Rod obviously had some skills, 288 00:14:18,991 --> 00:14:19,821 but he had clear weaknesses. 289 00:14:20,093 --> 00:14:21,253 He wasn't a public speaker. 290 00:14:21,561 --> 00:14:25,224 He didn't have the brash, over-the-top demeanor 291 00:14:25,531 --> 00:14:28,193 that we now associate with tech entrepreneurs. 292 00:14:28,501 --> 00:14:32,028 He was modest, he was extremely clean cut, 293 00:14:32,338 --> 00:14:36,365 he was thoughtful... almost like a boy scout, right. 294 00:14:36,676 --> 00:14:39,907 Pretty much everybody who met him was drawn to him. 295 00:14:55,094 --> 00:14:58,222 We were basically in this class B office space, 296 00:14:58,531 --> 00:15:01,967 and it was right next to a field full of cows. 297 00:15:02,268 --> 00:15:03,428 We had no furniture. 298 00:15:03,736 --> 00:15:05,465 There was one phone line. 299 00:15:05,772 --> 00:15:07,069 I brought my card table and chairs. 300 00:15:07,373 --> 00:15:09,864 So we put a very long cord on it. 301 00:15:10,143 --> 00:15:11,371 It didn't matter who did what. 302 00:15:11,644 --> 00:15:13,305 I don't even know who reported to who. 303 00:15:13,613 --> 00:15:18,448 I ain't jivin' when I say Houston. 304 00:15:18,751 --> 00:15:19,979 Here's the action town. 305 00:15:20,286 --> 00:15:21,810 The people that I wanted to work with 306 00:15:22,121 --> 00:15:23,748 were the people that were coming to this company 307 00:15:24,056 --> 00:15:25,785 that was making a product, and I didn't know what it was. 308 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:28,322 I couldn't tell them what the product was. 309 00:15:28,628 --> 00:15:29,925 It was secret. 310 00:15:30,229 --> 00:15:31,560 I assumed it was in the electronics. 311 00:15:31,831 --> 00:15:33,321 I didn't know if it was a toy, I don't 312 00:15:33,633 --> 00:15:34,657 know if it was a computer. 313 00:15:34,967 --> 00:15:36,059 Was it a sewing machine? 314 00:15:36,335 --> 00:15:36,926 Or a PC? 315 00:15:37,236 --> 00:15:39,636 It really didn't matter. 316 00:15:39,939 --> 00:15:43,340 Once I signed a nondisclosure, and I walked the halls, 317 00:15:43,643 --> 00:15:45,008 they showed me what the product looked like. 318 00:15:45,311 --> 00:15:47,404 They showed us the picture 319 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,672 of the Compaq computer that we were gonna build 320 00:15:50,983 --> 00:15:51,972 and that did it. 321 00:15:52,285 --> 00:15:53,309 It was exciting. 322 00:15:53,619 --> 00:15:55,587 It was like, OK, we can do this. 323 00:15:55,855 --> 00:15:56,617 This is a cool thing. 324 00:15:56,923 --> 00:15:58,254 I would like to own that thing. 325 00:15:58,524 --> 00:16:00,856 I would love to have that, that's better than anything 326 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:02,491 I've seen on the market. 327 00:16:02,795 --> 00:16:05,161 Man, Houston's the town. 328 00:16:05,465 --> 00:16:06,432 Here's the action town. 329 00:16:10,670 --> 00:16:12,831 Get your iPhone, you look at the half million 330 00:16:13,139 --> 00:16:14,436 apps that each of us has on there, 331 00:16:14,707 --> 00:16:17,642 and you look at all of the products 332 00:16:17,944 --> 00:16:21,675 designed for other platforms that miraculously seem to work. 333 00:16:21,981 --> 00:16:25,883 And we now take that for granted. 334 00:16:26,185 --> 00:16:28,847 Before Compaq, nobody took compatibility seriously. 335 00:16:32,124 --> 00:16:34,319 Gary, the subject today is the IBM clones, 336 00:16:34,627 --> 00:16:36,288 and the question I get asked more than anything else 337 00:16:36,562 --> 00:16:38,223 by people who are about to buy computers is, 338 00:16:38,531 --> 00:16:41,398 should I buy an IBM, or should I buy one of the IBM lookalikes? 339 00:16:41,701 --> 00:16:43,464 I think I'm told there's about 50 IBM clones 340 00:16:43,736 --> 00:16:44,703 out there on the market now. 341 00:16:45,004 --> 00:16:46,301 What's the difference, do you think, 342 00:16:46,572 --> 00:16:48,301 between a clone that makes it and a clone that fails? 343 00:16:48,574 --> 00:16:50,337 We didn't want to do 344 00:16:50,643 --> 00:16:53,476 a better machine than IBM, we didn't want 345 00:16:53,746 --> 00:16:55,304 to technically be superior. 346 00:16:55,581 --> 00:16:58,812 We wanted the software to run the same. 347 00:16:59,085 --> 00:17:00,848 The keystrokes were identical, 348 00:17:01,153 --> 00:17:03,144 you didn't have to look at a different manual, 349 00:17:03,422 --> 00:17:04,980 there was no training required. 350 00:17:05,258 --> 00:17:07,920 You just sat in front of it, and it worked the same. 351 00:17:08,227 --> 00:17:09,717 It wasn't some vague definition 352 00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:13,089 of what does compatibility mean... it was very clear. 353 00:17:13,399 --> 00:17:14,991 We have to run all the software, and use all 354 00:17:15,268 --> 00:17:16,326 the peripherals that IBM does. 355 00:17:22,008 --> 00:17:26,035 Do you have any idea how expensive this thing was? 356 00:17:26,345 --> 00:17:27,539 Let's turn this thing inside out. 357 00:17:27,847 --> 00:17:28,871 Halt & Catch Fire 358 00:17:29,181 --> 00:17:30,705 is a show about the reverse engineering 359 00:17:31,017 --> 00:17:33,417 process of the IBM PC. 360 00:17:33,719 --> 00:17:37,246 The thing that really drew us to Texas was the story of Compaq. 361 00:17:37,557 --> 00:17:40,253 You've got characters that, for all intents and purposes, 362 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,860 feel like outlaws, and they're coming in to take on IBM. 363 00:17:45,131 --> 00:17:47,531 And they basically do it by robbing a bank. 364 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,396 Nobody ever got fired for buying an IBM, right? 365 00:17:52,705 --> 00:17:54,798 You can be more. 366 00:17:55,107 --> 00:17:56,870 This is your chance. 367 00:17:57,143 --> 00:17:59,907 What we knew was that IBM had come 368 00:18:00,212 --> 00:18:04,444 out with a product that was made with off the shelf components. 369 00:18:04,750 --> 00:18:06,809 A personal computer, like any other computer, 370 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:08,984 is just a nothing box full of electronic switches 371 00:18:09,288 --> 00:18:10,380 and hardware. 372 00:18:10,656 --> 00:18:11,315 They hadn't designed a new disk 373 00:18:11,624 --> 00:18:13,057 drive or a new processor. 374 00:18:13,326 --> 00:18:15,260 Anyone can buy all this stuff off the shelf right now. 375 00:18:15,561 --> 00:18:17,119 This was stuff that everybody in the industry 376 00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:18,761 was using some form or another. 377 00:18:19,065 --> 00:18:20,464 Except the chip. 378 00:18:20,766 --> 00:18:21,960 Except what's on the chip. 379 00:18:22,268 --> 00:18:24,259 Without IBM code it wouldn't run. 380 00:18:24,570 --> 00:18:26,800 It is the program, it is the magic. 381 00:18:27,106 --> 00:18:32,339 We sent Gary Stimac to Dallas to buy some manuals. 382 00:18:32,645 --> 00:18:34,806 I purchased an IBM reference manual, 383 00:18:35,114 --> 00:18:38,447 and it had all the listings of the IBM code in it. 384 00:18:38,751 --> 00:18:41,618 He says, whoa, this isn't hard at all. 385 00:18:41,921 --> 00:18:44,481 Bad news is they copyrighted it, and they own how it works. 386 00:18:44,790 --> 00:18:46,348 I circled the word copyright, 387 00:18:46,659 --> 00:18:48,991 brought it to my lawyer, and he said, hmm... 388 00:18:49,295 --> 00:18:50,990 What many of the companies were doing was 389 00:18:51,297 --> 00:18:54,630 they were copying IBM's code. 390 00:18:54,934 --> 00:18:57,494 Guess what, IBM sued them, out of business they were. 391 00:18:57,803 --> 00:19:01,204 Good news is there's a way around that, sort of. 392 00:19:01,507 --> 00:19:02,872 We needed to make sure that we did 393 00:19:03,175 --> 00:19:05,439 not shoot ourselves in the foot from a legal standpoint. 394 00:19:05,711 --> 00:19:09,807 I said, Gary, you can no longer write the code 395 00:19:10,116 --> 00:19:11,378 because you've looked at it. 396 00:19:11,684 --> 00:19:14,812 In fact, you can't answer questions about the code. 397 00:19:15,121 --> 00:19:17,385 You're going to have to find a different job here at Compaq. 398 00:19:17,690 --> 00:19:19,954 You can never look, you just can never look. 399 00:19:20,226 --> 00:19:23,059 If you look, and it influences your work, 400 00:19:23,362 --> 00:19:26,729 then you can be open to a lawsuit and you've copied it. 401 00:19:27,033 --> 00:19:29,331 No one in the entire office 402 00:19:29,635 --> 00:19:31,569 could ever buy a tech reference manual 403 00:19:31,871 --> 00:19:36,035 without me removing the pages and me destroying them. 404 00:19:36,342 --> 00:19:39,402 We had to basically create a functional device that 405 00:19:39,712 --> 00:19:41,509 would do what the IBM PC did without knowing 406 00:19:41,814 --> 00:19:44,078 how the IBM PC did it. 407 00:19:44,383 --> 00:19:47,375 Would be similar to playing baseball blindfolded. 408 00:19:47,687 --> 00:19:50,554 Very difficult, not impossible, but very difficult. 409 00:19:50,856 --> 00:19:52,721 So you might strike out a couple times, 410 00:19:53,025 --> 00:19:55,391 and you might fall down a couple times, 411 00:19:55,695 --> 00:19:57,754 but eventually you're going to start to get a feel for it, 412 00:19:58,064 --> 00:19:59,395 and you start getting a hit. 413 00:19:59,699 --> 00:20:02,532 How many of these addresses do we need to transcribe? 414 00:20:02,835 --> 00:20:04,598 65,536. 415 00:20:04,904 --> 00:20:05,836 We went out and got all 416 00:20:06,105 --> 00:20:07,402 the IBM software we could find. 417 00:20:07,707 --> 00:20:10,005 Everything we could find... games, or Lotus 1-2-3, 418 00:20:10,276 --> 00:20:12,403 or unimportant, really important, all of it. 419 00:20:12,712 --> 00:20:14,043 We got every bit we could find. 420 00:20:14,346 --> 00:20:16,211 We would go through and run them 421 00:20:16,515 --> 00:20:18,506 until something broke, and then we'd figure out well, 422 00:20:18,784 --> 00:20:21,048 what broke, and why did it break. 423 00:20:21,353 --> 00:20:22,684 We liked the idea 424 00:20:22,955 --> 00:20:25,549 of what Compaq was trying to do a lot because 425 00:20:25,858 --> 00:20:27,257 of the PC compatibility. 426 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,027 We thought it was the right idea. 427 00:20:29,295 --> 00:20:32,287 We were rooting for it, but nobody really knew 428 00:20:32,598 --> 00:20:34,065 how it was going to come out. 429 00:20:34,366 --> 00:20:37,062 We're IBM, and we've seen some very skeptical people 430 00:20:37,369 --> 00:20:39,200 become very enthusiastic. 431 00:20:39,472 --> 00:20:41,440 And that makes us proud because we 432 00:20:41,741 --> 00:20:45,768 have more computers helping more small businesses than anybody. 433 00:20:46,078 --> 00:20:47,602 So at IBM there was always 434 00:20:47,913 --> 00:20:50,882 this arrogance, this confidence, that no one 435 00:20:51,150 --> 00:20:52,583 could recreate what we did. 436 00:20:52,885 --> 00:20:54,318 And if they did, we could just, 437 00:20:54,620 --> 00:20:56,144 we could just tweak something because 438 00:20:56,455 --> 00:20:57,979 we controlled the marketplace. 439 00:20:58,290 --> 00:21:00,121 IBM entered the personal computer market 440 00:21:00,426 --> 00:21:02,724 two years ago and went all out unleashing 441 00:21:02,995 --> 00:21:05,555 its power as the sixth largest industrial corporation 442 00:21:05,831 --> 00:21:06,798 in the US. 443 00:21:07,099 --> 00:21:08,430 Already, the computer giant has won 444 00:21:08,734 --> 00:21:10,964 25% of the personal computer market, 445 00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:12,567 and its share is growing. 446 00:21:22,481 --> 00:21:27,817 Compaq was basically... they were prying open a lock box, 447 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:30,588 and they were letting the genie out of the bottle. 448 00:21:34,527 --> 00:21:37,928 I was extremely excited and scared to death 449 00:21:38,197 --> 00:21:39,494 because I was the one that had to stand up 450 00:21:39,799 --> 00:21:44,259 and make this speech, which I had never done before. 451 00:21:44,537 --> 00:21:47,938 Rod was not experienced in dealing 452 00:21:48,207 --> 00:21:49,504 with the public and the press. 453 00:21:49,809 --> 00:21:50,833 Ben had made sure 454 00:21:51,143 --> 00:21:52,940 everybody that mattered was there. 455 00:21:53,212 --> 00:21:54,474 TV cameras were there. 456 00:21:54,780 --> 00:21:56,179 We're in this beautiful old room called The Library 457 00:21:56,482 --> 00:21:57,949 at the Helmsley Palace. 458 00:21:58,217 --> 00:22:00,014 Good morning and welcome. 459 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:02,014 My name is Rod Canion, and I am the president 460 00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:05,119 of Compaq Computer Corporation of Houston. 461 00:22:05,391 --> 00:22:06,949 The mysterious company you've been invited 462 00:22:07,226 --> 00:22:09,057 to come and hear about today. 463 00:22:09,361 --> 00:22:11,352 I spent most of the night practicing, 464 00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:13,461 changing, practicing, changing. 465 00:22:13,732 --> 00:22:15,461 This is an important day for us. 466 00:22:15,734 --> 00:22:18,965 The public introduction of a new personal computer that has been 467 00:22:19,238 --> 00:22:20,330 in development for nine months. 468 00:22:20,639 --> 00:22:21,799 It was the big city 469 00:22:22,074 --> 00:22:26,340 and we were the kids from the plains of Texas. 470 00:22:26,645 --> 00:22:28,806 There's a three piece suit, and my thick glasses, 471 00:22:29,081 --> 00:22:30,514 and we looked out of place. 472 00:22:30,816 --> 00:22:33,910 This is the Compaq Portable Computer. 473 00:22:34,220 --> 00:22:37,815 The unit is laid over smoothly using its carrying handle, 474 00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:40,320 and the keyboard is removed by sliding two latches 475 00:22:40,593 --> 00:22:43,061 and lifting it out. 476 00:22:43,362 --> 00:22:46,354 That's how easy it is to get it ready for operation. 477 00:22:46,665 --> 00:22:49,600 It was a portable and that was something 478 00:22:49,902 --> 00:22:54,896 IBM had no entrant in at all, and it was 27 pounds. 479 00:22:55,207 --> 00:22:59,940 Portability... people need to be able to take it anyway. 480 00:23:00,246 --> 00:23:01,406 It's going to have a handle. 481 00:23:01,714 --> 00:23:02,840 It was simultaneously 482 00:23:03,115 --> 00:23:05,845 an incredibly revolutionary idea but sounds so 483 00:23:06,118 --> 00:23:08,245 mundane to today's audiences. 484 00:23:08,554 --> 00:23:09,680 A handle, wow. 485 00:23:09,955 --> 00:23:12,048 It is the only personal computer, 486 00:23:12,358 --> 00:23:16,089 portable or otherwise, that is truly compatible with 487 00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:17,885 the IBM personal computer. 488 00:23:18,197 --> 00:23:20,097 I begin to really realize, this is it. 489 00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:22,526 The flag was going down, and the race was going to begin. 490 00:23:22,801 --> 00:23:26,293 I repeat, Compaq is the only personal computer that is truly 491 00:23:26,605 --> 00:23:28,800 compatible with the IBM PC. 492 00:23:33,812 --> 00:23:34,972 This was just a blip on the screen. 493 00:23:35,281 --> 00:23:37,715 Who cares about a luggable? 494 00:23:37,983 --> 00:23:40,110 It just doesn't matter, it's a toy. 495 00:23:40,419 --> 00:23:42,979 It's a curiosity... it's nothing more. 496 00:23:43,289 --> 00:23:45,052 While some software computer firms are battling 497 00:23:45,324 --> 00:23:46,791 to succeed, one personal computer 498 00:23:47,092 --> 00:23:48,616 company is more concerned with taking 499 00:23:48,928 --> 00:23:51,089 its hardware success forward. 500 00:23:51,397 --> 00:23:53,729 Our company is real all of a sudden. 501 00:23:53,999 --> 00:23:57,400 We have a name, we're on the radio. 502 00:23:57,670 --> 00:23:58,898 We're getting calls 503 00:23:59,171 --> 00:24:00,968 from presidents, and CEOs, and engineers saying, 504 00:24:01,273 --> 00:24:02,638 this is a cool machine. 505 00:24:02,942 --> 00:24:05,433 What I brought today is a Compaq portable computer. 506 00:24:05,744 --> 00:24:09,578 It's a full functioning computer in a portable enclosure. 507 00:24:09,848 --> 00:24:12,817 People were walking with portable computers 508 00:24:13,118 --> 00:24:15,985 down the aisles of airplanes, and the computer 509 00:24:16,288 --> 00:24:17,653 was hitting people in the head. 510 00:24:17,957 --> 00:24:18,981 We didn't hardly have a chance to breathe... 511 00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:20,258 People loved the product. 512 00:24:20,526 --> 00:24:21,857 We couldn't build them fast enough. 513 00:24:22,161 --> 00:24:25,096 Trying to use portable computers, which 514 00:24:25,364 --> 00:24:26,763 were not laptops at that point. 515 00:24:27,032 --> 00:24:30,024 They were sewing machines on the meal tray of airplanes. 516 00:24:30,336 --> 00:24:33,931 The company's first product was a 28 pound portable computer. 517 00:24:34,206 --> 00:24:36,868 The salesman used to demonstrate how rugged it is 518 00:24:37,176 --> 00:24:38,473 by taking it and dropping it. 519 00:24:40,546 --> 00:24:41,638 What Compaq did, 520 00:24:41,947 --> 00:24:45,178 because they built things so damn well, 521 00:24:45,484 --> 00:24:50,979 is they quickly went up to be an acceptable alternative to IBM. 522 00:24:51,290 --> 00:24:52,655 Its founders decided early on 523 00:24:52,958 --> 00:24:54,789 to build machines compatible with those built 524 00:24:55,060 --> 00:24:56,994 by IBM but with new features. 525 00:24:57,296 --> 00:24:59,059 Market research showed customers want it. 526 00:24:59,365 --> 00:25:00,229 Sometimes people 527 00:25:00,532 --> 00:25:01,624 wanted to go home over the weekend 528 00:25:01,900 --> 00:25:03,697 and finish their work before Monday. 529 00:25:04,003 --> 00:25:04,992 They grabbed a portable. 530 00:25:05,304 --> 00:25:07,636 That really turned out to be important. 531 00:25:07,906 --> 00:25:10,204 Product was just flying off the shelves, 532 00:25:10,509 --> 00:25:11,703 and the dealers loved it. 533 00:25:12,011 --> 00:25:13,501 Salespeople already familiar with IBM 534 00:25:13,812 --> 00:25:15,336 products didn't need much training 535 00:25:15,647 --> 00:25:17,410 to sell Compaq computers. 536 00:25:17,716 --> 00:25:20,879 We meet a Computer Land dealer in a little motel, 537 00:25:21,186 --> 00:25:24,246 and there's no wall receptacle. 538 00:25:24,556 --> 00:25:27,047 How am I gonna plug this in? Well, the bathroom has one. 539 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,726 OK, so we put the computer on the toilet seat, 540 00:25:31,030 --> 00:25:34,932 and we plug it in, and it ran. 541 00:25:35,234 --> 00:25:36,360 And they went, wow! 542 00:25:36,668 --> 00:25:39,501 The challenge was building computers 543 00:25:39,772 --> 00:25:41,239 fast enough to meet the demand. 544 00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:45,203 We had no idea that it was going to be as big as it was. 545 00:25:45,511 --> 00:25:47,376 We're cutting back on advertising... we can't cut back 546 00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:51,376 on advertising, and Rod said, well, let me make this 547 00:25:51,683 --> 00:25:53,776 really clear... we're sold out. 548 00:25:54,086 --> 00:25:55,383 Compaq Computer Corporation 549 00:25:55,687 --> 00:25:58,212 delivered its first portable personal computer 550 00:25:58,524 --> 00:26:00,389 in January of 1983. 551 00:26:00,692 --> 00:26:03,923 By the end of the year, the firm had sold $111 million 552 00:26:04,229 --> 00:26:05,423 worth of the machines. 553 00:26:05,731 --> 00:26:07,699 A figure that company executives say 554 00:26:07,966 --> 00:26:10,434 exceeded the first year sales of any firm 555 00:26:10,736 --> 00:26:12,795 in American business history. 556 00:26:13,105 --> 00:26:14,197 That was the first time where 557 00:26:14,473 --> 00:26:16,464 there was a ripple at IBM. 558 00:26:16,775 --> 00:26:19,107 That being said, we had seen other people come in... Amdahl, 559 00:26:19,411 --> 00:26:21,709 Hitachi... and they come and they rise, 560 00:26:21,980 --> 00:26:23,948 and then they go back down. 561 00:26:24,249 --> 00:26:27,309 And we will defeat them in the end. 562 00:26:38,764 --> 00:26:44,225 There was kind of a feeling that something was going on 563 00:26:44,503 --> 00:26:47,939 out there with respect to the PC world 564 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,504 and somehow or other IBM wasn't getting 565 00:26:50,809 --> 00:26:52,299 the share that it wanted. 566 00:26:52,611 --> 00:26:53,976 Now, I know IBM was getting a big share, 567 00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:55,644 but they wanted more. 568 00:26:55,948 --> 00:26:58,849 And so people started paying a little bit of attention. 569 00:26:59,151 --> 00:27:02,814 With a clone that is actually offering more portability, 570 00:27:03,122 --> 00:27:07,081 for example, becomes a successful notion like that, 571 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,851 then isn't it the case that IBM would or even has gone in there 572 00:27:11,163 --> 00:27:13,825 and taken that market to some extent? 573 00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:16,931 That's the danger of playing the IBM compatible game. 574 00:27:17,202 --> 00:27:20,433 There was complete conviction among the Wall Street 575 00:27:20,706 --> 00:27:22,606 public and the press public. 576 00:27:22,875 --> 00:27:25,105 Well, enjoy it while you can because IBM 577 00:27:25,377 --> 00:27:28,642 is going to have a portable and then it's sayonara. 578 00:27:28,947 --> 00:27:30,710 Wall Street hit a record high again today. 579 00:27:31,016 --> 00:27:34,179 One of the better performers was IBM, up more than five points 580 00:27:34,486 --> 00:27:35,510 this week alone. 581 00:27:35,821 --> 00:27:37,948 One of the reasons is IBM's huge success 582 00:27:38,223 --> 00:27:40,691 in the tough home computer market, and the rumor 583 00:27:40,993 --> 00:27:41,857 that there is more to come. 584 00:27:42,161 --> 00:27:43,719 What was IBM going to do, and when 585 00:27:44,029 --> 00:27:47,965 was it going to actually happen, and how successful would it be? 586 00:27:48,233 --> 00:27:50,565 We were always concerned about IBM. 587 00:27:50,869 --> 00:27:52,894 I think anyone else in the computer business 588 00:27:53,205 --> 00:27:56,663 ought to be very frightened, and I think everyone else is. 589 00:27:56,975 --> 00:27:58,374 IBM was arrogant. 590 00:27:58,677 --> 00:28:04,411 Some manager got PO'd at us and said, kind of like a hitman, 591 00:28:04,716 --> 00:28:08,345 go design a portable and take those guys out... tired of them. 592 00:28:08,654 --> 00:28:10,087 The Compaq personal computer's 593 00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:14,348 main selling point is its high compatibility with the IBM PC. 594 00:28:14,660 --> 00:28:18,255 Yet IBM is now bringing its own portable PC to the marketplace. 595 00:28:21,366 --> 00:28:22,697 It's called the Fud Factor. 596 00:28:23,001 --> 00:28:25,731 F-U-D for the fear, uncertainty, and doubt created 597 00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:28,233 among its rivals by IBM. 598 00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:30,371 Will there be life for other home computers 599 00:28:30,676 --> 00:28:33,406 after giant IBM's product appeared? 600 00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:35,390 What nobody outside the company knew 601 00:28:35,581 --> 00:28:37,515 is that we had no orders coming in, 602 00:28:37,783 --> 00:28:41,048 so this wasn't really a future hypothetical problem, 603 00:28:41,353 --> 00:28:42,513 this was an immediate problem 604 00:28:42,788 --> 00:28:43,618 that was threatening to kill us. 605 00:28:46,625 --> 00:28:48,354 Compaq's stock went down 606 00:28:48,627 --> 00:28:50,595 because they were concerned that IBM would 607 00:28:50,896 --> 00:28:51,726 put Compaq out of business. 608 00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:57,534 Compaq was the first one in with the luggable. 609 00:28:57,803 --> 00:29:00,738 IBM put two products, essentially, in there, 610 00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:02,404 and it doesn't do nearly as well. 611 00:29:09,915 --> 00:29:13,544 They didn't really try to make it better 612 00:29:13,819 --> 00:29:16,982 and try to meet Compaq's advances 613 00:29:17,289 --> 00:29:18,483 in technology and performance. 614 00:29:18,790 --> 00:29:22,749 Their product would not run all the software... 615 00:29:23,061 --> 00:29:26,394 Their IBM software, even their IBM software 616 00:29:26,665 --> 00:29:31,466 people did to run in their computers 617 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:34,933 would not necessarily run in their portable. 618 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,400 But you could take that same thing, 619 00:29:36,675 --> 00:29:39,439 and put it in our portable, and it would run. 620 00:29:39,745 --> 00:29:41,076 How could that be? 621 00:29:41,346 --> 00:29:43,906 Of course IBM at the time did the only obvious thing, 622 00:29:44,182 --> 00:29:45,444 and they blamed the user. 623 00:29:45,751 --> 00:29:47,742 You're not doing it correctly, and the user said, 624 00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:49,988 I may be dumb, but I'm not stupid. 625 00:29:50,289 --> 00:29:52,519 Why don't you come back to me when you've got it figured. 626 00:29:52,824 --> 00:29:57,761 I had heard from friends of friends inside IBM 627 00:29:58,030 --> 00:30:01,830 that there was a lot of discussion and turmoil 628 00:30:02,134 --> 00:30:03,362 within their PC ranks. 629 00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:05,500 Why is this happening? 630 00:30:05,804 --> 00:30:08,034 Why is this little company out-marketing us? 631 00:30:17,182 --> 00:30:18,547 They've done a little growing since they 632 00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:20,818 began in February of '82. 633 00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:23,110 They had 6 employees then. 634 00:30:23,388 --> 00:30:25,618 They have 950 now. 635 00:30:25,891 --> 00:30:27,381 Two years ago, they occupied the space 636 00:30:27,693 --> 00:30:29,320 on one floor of this building. 637 00:30:29,628 --> 00:30:33,189 By spring, it'll look like this in one of their locations. 638 00:30:33,498 --> 00:30:35,898 Well, production is up 1600%. 639 00:30:36,201 --> 00:30:38,135 The worry now is they won't get enough workers 640 00:30:38,403 --> 00:30:39,631 to keep up the pace. 641 00:30:39,905 --> 00:30:41,202 If you'd like to apply to Compaq, 642 00:30:41,506 --> 00:30:42,905 you can call this number. 643 00:30:43,208 --> 00:30:47,804 Compaq is looking to add 500 people by the end of the year. 644 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,345 The culture that Rod created within Compaq 645 00:30:51,650 --> 00:30:53,914 was 20 years ahead of its time. 646 00:30:58,323 --> 00:31:02,350 Tech companies today are very progressive and cool, 647 00:31:02,661 --> 00:31:04,526 and they create a fun environment. 648 00:31:04,830 --> 00:31:06,195 Where people aren't working, they're 649 00:31:06,498 --> 00:31:09,160 come play in our sandbox. 650 00:31:09,434 --> 00:31:12,767 If I work at Facebook, they'll do my laundry, 651 00:31:13,071 --> 00:31:15,665 they'll pick me up and drop me off, there's a misuse, 652 00:31:15,941 --> 00:31:19,240 and there's a full time chef who is trained on cordon bleu. 653 00:31:19,544 --> 00:31:21,409 They basically have built a place that is so great 654 00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:23,078 that you never want to leave. 655 00:31:23,382 --> 00:31:25,009 At a time when other computer makers are being squeezed, 656 00:31:25,283 --> 00:31:27,080 why is Compaq still growing? 657 00:31:27,386 --> 00:31:29,946 The answer may lie beyond technology and marketing, 658 00:31:30,255 --> 00:31:32,917 in a corporate culture that gives employees free Cokes 659 00:31:33,225 --> 00:31:34,920 and puts trees in the plants. 660 00:31:35,227 --> 00:31:37,752 We started out providing coffee and soft drinks 661 00:31:38,063 --> 00:31:40,429 for everybody when there were 10 people in the company. 662 00:31:40,732 --> 00:31:42,290 Jim Harris and I would stop by the grocery store 663 00:31:42,601 --> 00:31:45,399 and pick up some more soft drinks for the day 664 00:31:45,704 --> 00:31:46,932 if we needed it. 665 00:31:47,239 --> 00:31:51,369 It was a very egalitarian kind of culture, 666 00:31:51,643 --> 00:31:54,271 and it really owes it to Rod. 667 00:31:54,579 --> 00:31:55,807 You sense that the employees appreciate 668 00:31:56,114 --> 00:31:58,309 the fact that you don't have a marked parking place? 669 00:31:58,617 --> 00:32:00,312 How often do you get to work early 670 00:32:00,619 --> 00:32:01,551 to get your job done and you walk 671 00:32:01,820 --> 00:32:03,378 by an empty reserved parking place? 672 00:32:03,655 --> 00:32:06,419 Just seemed to make sense that the people who got there first 673 00:32:06,725 --> 00:32:08,158 deserved to park closest to the door. 674 00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:10,052 You'd see Rod Canion walking down the hall, 675 00:32:10,328 --> 00:32:13,820 and it was certainly more than permissible... it was hoped... 676 00:32:14,132 --> 00:32:15,292 that you would stop and talk with him if you 677 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,794 had something to talk about. 678 00:32:17,102 --> 00:32:18,660 The corporate culture at Compaq computer 679 00:32:18,970 --> 00:32:20,562 means involving employees in decision 680 00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:22,602 making at almost every level. 681 00:32:22,908 --> 00:32:27,402 What I think, or what I say, can change things where you 682 00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:29,010 work... that makes a difference. 683 00:32:29,314 --> 00:32:31,077 We were all very proud of what we did. 684 00:32:31,349 --> 00:32:33,146 The camaraderie and the teamwork, 685 00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:36,478 and the ability to get things done without the red tape 686 00:32:36,788 --> 00:32:39,018 and without all the hassel that comes 687 00:32:39,324 --> 00:32:40,256 with big company bureaucracies. 688 00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:46,791 IBM was the very definition 689 00:32:47,098 --> 00:32:50,158 of what a large American corporation was. 690 00:32:50,469 --> 00:32:52,801 They don't call it Big Blue for nothing. 691 00:32:53,104 --> 00:32:56,699 It's a company with more than 387,000 employees, 692 00:32:57,008 --> 00:33:04,540 834,000 shareholders, and 590 million shares of common stock. 693 00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:06,875 When you looked at the organization chart of IBM, 694 00:33:07,185 --> 00:33:09,016 it was a very hierarchical organization. 695 00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:11,881 Here's the person up here and you're down here. 696 00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:15,557 What came down from on top is, you better not lose and that 697 00:33:15,861 --> 00:33:17,385 was just in IBM's blood. 698 00:33:17,696 --> 00:33:20,961 So it was a very, very competitive environment 699 00:33:21,233 --> 00:33:22,791 that you had to go through. 700 00:33:23,068 --> 00:33:24,899 The greatest asset the IBM Corporation 701 00:33:25,203 --> 00:33:26,727 has happen to be its people. 702 00:33:27,038 --> 00:33:30,303 If you can give an individual a given set of objectives, 703 00:33:30,575 --> 00:33:32,065 measure them, and then reward them, 704 00:33:32,377 --> 00:33:34,675 then almost any target can be achieved. 705 00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:37,380 IBM was a financially driven company. 706 00:33:37,682 --> 00:33:40,014 Make your numbers, make your numbers, make your numbers. 707 00:33:44,856 --> 00:33:47,324 If you run a small business profits can get 708 00:33:47,592 --> 00:33:50,527 squeezed when inventory doesn't match up with production. 709 00:33:55,233 --> 00:33:59,533 What can help is a visit to an IBM personal computer dealer. 710 00:33:59,838 --> 00:34:01,271 We thought a breakthrough, 711 00:34:01,573 --> 00:34:04,007 kind of out-of-the-box thinking for marketing 712 00:34:04,276 --> 00:34:07,006 was having Charlie Chaplin sell our products. 713 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,372 The IBM personal computer... 714 00:34:09,681 --> 00:34:12,673 not only can it help you plan ahead, it'll balance your books 715 00:34:12,951 --> 00:34:15,044 and give you more time to make dough. 716 00:34:15,353 --> 00:34:17,116 Charlie Chaplin being innovative marketing? 717 00:34:17,422 --> 00:34:20,220 It was for IBM, but it wasn't for the rest of the world. 718 00:34:21,092 --> 00:34:23,617 Why buy just a video game from Atari or on television. 719 00:34:23,929 --> 00:34:26,921 Invest in the wonder computer of the 1980's for under $300. 720 00:34:27,232 --> 00:34:28,563 Everyone was pitching computers. 721 00:34:28,867 --> 00:34:31,199 You had William Shatner for Commodore. 722 00:34:31,469 --> 00:34:33,937 With the Commodore VIC-20, the whole family 723 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,536 can learn computing at home. 724 00:34:35,807 --> 00:34:37,434 My personal favorite, King Kong Bundy, 725 00:34:37,742 --> 00:34:38,936 was selling computers. 726 00:34:39,244 --> 00:34:41,610 Bundy has never used a computer before. 727 00:34:41,913 --> 00:34:43,574 He's sitting down. 728 00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:46,774 Wait a minute, the on screen instructions 729 00:34:47,085 --> 00:34:49,246 are so simple he doesn't have to wrestle with a manual. 730 00:34:49,554 --> 00:34:51,044 Compaq had John Cleese. 731 00:34:51,323 --> 00:34:53,382 Hello, I'm going to tell you about Compaq's 732 00:34:53,658 --> 00:34:55,091 new Portable II computer. 733 00:34:55,393 --> 00:34:57,452 It's such a marvelous machine that it would be quite 734 00:34:57,762 --> 00:34:59,320 unfair to compare it with another computer, 735 00:34:59,631 --> 00:35:02,828 so we've decided to compare it with this fish. 736 00:35:03,134 --> 00:35:05,932 A surrealistic comedian from England 737 00:35:06,237 --> 00:35:09,331 who was more identifiable to the geeks in the audience 738 00:35:09,641 --> 00:35:10,767 than to the general population. 739 00:35:11,076 --> 00:35:12,270 The Compaq Portable II, however, 740 00:35:12,577 --> 00:35:15,910 can run all IBM's most popular software 30% 741 00:35:16,181 --> 00:35:17,671 faster than IBM can. 742 00:35:19,651 --> 00:35:24,179 TV ads with John Cleese were a runaway best selling hit. 743 00:35:24,489 --> 00:35:27,253 Inside Compaq is capacity equal to 30 diskettes. 744 00:35:29,427 --> 00:35:30,359 I need a vacation. 745 00:35:30,662 --> 00:35:32,186 This decision was sound. 746 00:35:32,497 --> 00:35:33,987 Wrong, but sound. 747 00:35:34,299 --> 00:35:35,527 Kind of makes you want to cry, huh? 748 00:35:35,834 --> 00:35:37,096 I am crying. 749 00:35:37,369 --> 00:35:39,428 The same year that we did the John Cleese 750 00:35:39,704 --> 00:35:42,434 commercials, Apple announced the Macintosh 751 00:35:42,707 --> 00:35:43,674 with its 1984 commercial. 752 00:35:45,477 --> 00:35:47,536 And we will bury them with their own confusion. 753 00:35:48,647 --> 00:35:51,275 We shall prevail. 754 00:35:53,885 --> 00:35:54,852 Apple Computer officially 755 00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:56,552 unveiled its new Macintosh. 756 00:35:56,855 --> 00:35:58,720 The new Apple that costs less than $2,500 757 00:35:59,024 --> 00:36:01,822 is supposed to be one of the easiest computers to use. 758 00:36:02,127 --> 00:36:04,288 What the Mac has really brought us is really affordable, 759 00:36:04,562 --> 00:36:05,688 high resolution graphics and that 760 00:36:05,997 --> 00:36:08,693 leads us to a whole new generation of software 761 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,332 where pictures and text are both important. 762 00:36:11,636 --> 00:36:13,729 What corporations had to do, because so many 763 00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:16,132 of their creative types wanted Apple, 764 00:36:16,408 --> 00:36:19,138 is they had to have a subheading. 765 00:36:19,411 --> 00:36:21,811 OK, the creative types can have their Apple, 766 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,811 but Apple was not really compatible with the rest 767 00:36:26,084 --> 00:36:27,244 of the world. 768 00:36:27,552 --> 00:36:29,486 And Apple really didn't want that world. 769 00:36:29,754 --> 00:36:34,714 Apple was not a concern to Compaq 770 00:36:35,026 --> 00:36:37,859 because they seemed perfectly happy with their 4% or 5% 771 00:36:38,163 --> 00:36:41,655 market share, and people that bought 772 00:36:41,933 --> 00:36:44,026 Apples weren't usually people that were 773 00:36:44,335 --> 00:36:45,393 going to buy Compaqs anyway. 774 00:36:45,704 --> 00:36:47,899 Meet the lady. 775 00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:51,664 Her name is Lisa, and she is the most exciting thing 776 00:36:51,943 --> 00:36:54,173 to happen in computers today. 777 00:36:54,446 --> 00:36:56,346 Steve Jobs created the Lisa, 778 00:36:56,614 --> 00:37:00,380 an attempt to do what Compaq ultimately did successfully. 779 00:37:00,685 --> 00:37:03,745 It was an attempt to enter the business market for computers 780 00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:05,215 and it failed miserably. 781 00:37:05,523 --> 00:37:09,015 Unlimited power, Lisa, from Apple. 782 00:37:09,294 --> 00:37:12,422 Despite Steve Jobs welcoming Compaq 783 00:37:12,731 --> 00:37:14,961 to this industry, that they had thought that they had 784 00:37:15,266 --> 00:37:17,894 pioneered, Steve Jobs was gone from his company 785 00:37:18,203 --> 00:37:20,433 within the space of three years. 786 00:37:20,739 --> 00:37:25,438 Compaq basically shook Silicon Valley to its very foundations. 787 00:37:25,744 --> 00:37:28,304 What Compaq did give to Apple 788 00:37:28,613 --> 00:37:30,240 was that it proved that you could 789 00:37:30,548 --> 00:37:34,712 compete against the monster and succeed. 790 00:37:34,986 --> 00:37:36,248 Well, computer stocks haven't exactly 791 00:37:36,554 --> 00:37:38,283 been the darlings of Wall Street of late, 792 00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:40,217 but as Steve Young now reports, that 793 00:37:40,492 --> 00:37:42,790 didn't stop Compaq from promoting its latest 794 00:37:43,094 --> 00:37:44,152 product in gala fashion. 795 00:37:45,797 --> 00:37:47,162 I wear my sunglasses at night. 796 00:37:47,465 --> 00:37:49,057 I wear my sunglasses at night. 797 00:37:49,334 --> 00:37:50,892 Ladies and gentlemen, David Copperfield. 798 00:37:58,443 --> 00:37:59,967 Ken Price basically 799 00:38:00,278 --> 00:38:04,612 came up with the concept of an event to introduce a product. 800 00:38:04,916 --> 00:38:07,077 There were no limits. 801 00:38:07,352 --> 00:38:10,253 Ladies and gentlemen, Compaq Computer Corporation 802 00:38:10,522 --> 00:38:14,925 proudly presents, live, The Pointer Sisters. 803 00:38:15,193 --> 00:38:19,425 I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it. 804 00:38:19,697 --> 00:38:21,130 I went to some of those early Compaq 805 00:38:21,432 --> 00:38:23,366 product introductions, and I'm going, 806 00:38:23,668 --> 00:38:27,160 wow, that's like show biz. 807 00:38:27,472 --> 00:38:29,337 I was doing things that I had never done before. 808 00:38:29,641 --> 00:38:32,109 Ladies and gentlemen, Rod Canion. 809 00:38:32,377 --> 00:38:34,845 Rod Baby Canion as we say in Hollywood, Rod Baby. 810 00:38:35,146 --> 00:38:39,207 All tech CEOs need communications training. 811 00:38:39,517 --> 00:38:42,543 He went from Wal-mart polyester suits and shirts 812 00:38:42,854 --> 00:38:46,654 to really nice woolen designer jackets. 813 00:38:46,958 --> 00:38:49,552 All of us could use a little improvement, right. 814 00:38:49,861 --> 00:38:51,852 He got some dental work done. 815 00:38:52,163 --> 00:38:53,528 He went to speech school. 816 00:38:53,832 --> 00:38:55,959 I never dreamed that it could come this far. 817 00:38:56,234 --> 00:38:57,997 We went out and got contacts. 818 00:38:58,303 --> 00:39:00,498 Rod was more than receptive. 819 00:39:00,805 --> 00:39:02,466 We knew a lot about designing products 820 00:39:02,740 --> 00:39:04,867 and knew nothing about the press, 821 00:39:05,176 --> 00:39:07,144 and Ben took me under his wing and was a very 822 00:39:07,412 --> 00:39:09,403 important influence on me. 823 00:39:09,714 --> 00:39:13,480 Ladies and gentlemen, Miss Irene Cara. 824 00:39:13,751 --> 00:39:14,376 What a feeling. 825 00:39:17,422 --> 00:39:20,050 Even believing. 826 00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:21,655 Today, we would like to introduce 827 00:39:21,926 --> 00:39:25,225 a major addition to the Compaq family, the Compaq Plus. 828 00:39:25,530 --> 00:39:28,328 Compaq Plus stores 30 times more than yours. 829 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,328 Does it have a handle? 830 00:39:29,601 --> 00:39:31,228 Yes. 831 00:39:31,536 --> 00:39:32,434 Oh, drat. 832 00:39:32,737 --> 00:39:33,931 Introducing the Compaq Portable II. 833 00:39:35,907 --> 00:39:38,341 Compaq's sales jumped 54% for the first three 834 00:39:38,610 --> 00:39:39,702 months of the year. 835 00:39:40,011 --> 00:39:41,103 Apparently, I should never have mentioned 836 00:39:41,412 --> 00:39:43,107 Compaq's portable computer. 837 00:39:43,414 --> 00:39:45,279 I should have been telling you about Compaq's DeskPro 838 00:39:45,583 --> 00:39:46,709 computer. 839 00:39:47,018 --> 00:39:47,746 Today, we're announcing the DeskPro 286 840 00:39:48,052 --> 00:39:53,388 and the Portable 286. 841 00:39:53,691 --> 00:39:55,454 Congratulations for another terrific year, 842 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,421 people of Compaq Computers. 843 00:40:03,434 --> 00:40:04,765 We got to enjoy the day and then 844 00:40:05,069 --> 00:40:07,264 we'll get back to work well, maybe tomorrow, I guess. 845 00:40:10,575 --> 00:40:12,566 Jan, this is what the fuss is all about. 846 00:40:12,877 --> 00:40:15,471 The 8386 microprocessor from Intel. 847 00:40:15,780 --> 00:40:18,578 Now, no real operating system, no real software, yet people 848 00:40:18,883 --> 00:40:21,647 are waiting in line to buy computers with 386 in it. 849 00:40:21,953 --> 00:40:24,217 More talk about it than probably anything since the IBM PC 850 00:40:24,489 --> 00:40:25,922 came out. 851 00:40:26,224 --> 00:40:27,452 Is this a lot of hype, or is this really a major development 852 00:40:27,759 --> 00:40:28,657 of personal computers? 853 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,154 Oh, this is not just hype, Stewart, 854 00:40:30,461 --> 00:40:32,725 this is a quantum leap in personal computers. 855 00:40:32,997 --> 00:40:34,464 Right now, people are standing in line 856 00:40:34,766 --> 00:40:37,064 to get these systems just for the raw speed that it offers. 857 00:40:37,335 --> 00:40:39,428 The 386 chips, which give PCs 858 00:40:39,737 --> 00:40:43,229 the power and stunning clarity of so-called workstations, 859 00:40:43,508 --> 00:40:45,999 are expected to become commonplace in a year or two. 860 00:40:46,311 --> 00:40:50,338 IBM always had first access to the Intel computer chip, 861 00:40:50,648 --> 00:40:51,979 so everybody else was followers. 862 00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:55,684 So IBM was always at the tip of the spear so to speak. 863 00:40:55,987 --> 00:41:03,018 IBM for maybe 70 years, I don't know... however long it existed, 864 00:41:03,328 --> 00:41:05,353 expected exclusives. 865 00:41:10,969 --> 00:41:12,596 Intel took the attitude, 866 00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:14,462 we're not going to work with just you, 867 00:41:14,772 --> 00:41:17,263 we're working with everybody. 868 00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:27,283 The significance of them being willing to release 869 00:41:27,552 --> 00:41:30,146 a microprocessor to someone who wasn't IBM, 870 00:41:30,455 --> 00:41:34,653 was at a minimum, a modestly hostile act towards IBM. 871 00:41:34,959 --> 00:41:36,620 Compaq Computer will announce two 872 00:41:36,894 --> 00:41:38,885 new personal computers today, including 873 00:41:39,197 --> 00:41:40,664 the world's fastest model. 874 00:41:40,965 --> 00:41:44,025 A development that could make Big Blue, IBM, green with envy. 875 00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:46,826 Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, 876 00:41:47,138 --> 00:41:49,834 come on, come on, come on. 877 00:41:50,141 --> 00:41:52,473 Today, Compaq Computer Corporation 878 00:41:52,744 --> 00:41:55,542 is stepping to the forefront of the personal computer industry. 879 00:41:55,847 --> 00:42:00,250 The Compaq DeskPro 386 is by far the most advanced 880 00:42:00,551 --> 00:42:02,416 high performance personal computer available in the world 881 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:03,209 today. 882 00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:06,046 The 386 era is here. 883 00:42:06,357 --> 00:42:09,383 Everyone at Intel is very enthused about Compaq's 884 00:42:09,694 --> 00:42:10,718 announcement today. 885 00:42:11,029 --> 00:42:12,223 The system has a maximum RAM 886 00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:14,589 capacity of 14 megabytes. 887 00:42:14,899 --> 00:42:16,491 This provides more than enough memory 888 00:42:16,768 --> 00:42:18,702 for not only today's applications, 889 00:42:19,003 --> 00:42:20,402 but for tomorrow's as well. 890 00:42:20,705 --> 00:42:22,366 Of course, Compaq was first out of the gate 891 00:42:22,673 --> 00:42:26,439 with a 386 computer, but this time IBM is not in the picture. 892 00:42:26,744 --> 00:42:29,508 We spent a lot of time trying to prove, 893 00:42:29,781 --> 00:42:31,442 absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt, 894 00:42:31,749 --> 00:42:32,841 that this thing was going to work 895 00:42:33,117 --> 00:42:34,914 and it was going to succeed, so how better 896 00:42:35,219 --> 00:42:36,709 than having Bill Gates himself standing 897 00:42:37,021 --> 00:42:38,249 up and saying how great it was. 898 00:42:38,556 --> 00:42:40,956 The original vision of Microsoft... that there would 899 00:42:41,259 --> 00:42:44,695 eventually be a machine on most desktops for office work, 900 00:42:44,962 --> 00:42:47,692 will be fulfilled by the power of this type of machine. 901 00:42:47,965 --> 00:42:52,868 It's gutsy, and the industry was like, whoa. 902 00:42:53,137 --> 00:42:56,106 I'm sure IBM went, they what? 903 00:42:56,407 --> 00:42:57,738 We did not see it coming. 904 00:42:58,042 --> 00:43:01,273 They couldn't have been happy. 905 00:43:01,579 --> 00:43:04,548 And we couldn't have been happier. 906 00:43:04,816 --> 00:43:07,910 Compaq insists that I tell you about their new 386 computer, 907 00:43:08,219 --> 00:43:10,380 which they say is the most advanced desktop ever made. 908 00:43:10,655 --> 00:43:13,055 But they're still sticking to this cock and bull story 909 00:43:13,324 --> 00:43:18,990 about it being made from 386 chips and 32 bits of a bus. 910 00:43:19,297 --> 00:43:21,162 Frankly, this is not credible. 911 00:43:21,466 --> 00:43:22,831 It's an insult to your intelligence. 912 00:43:23,134 --> 00:43:25,398 If I were you, I wouldn't watch this commercial. 913 00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:27,433 In fact, I'll switch over for you. 914 00:43:27,738 --> 00:43:32,641 That was the first time that we came out so far ahead of them 915 00:43:32,944 --> 00:43:36,004 that people started asking what happened to IBM. 916 00:43:36,314 --> 00:43:39,340 I mean, you just follow what IBM does, right? 917 00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:41,618 That was the beginning of somebody 918 00:43:41,919 --> 00:43:46,583 putting real chips behind IBM is vulnerable and Intel did that. 919 00:43:46,858 --> 00:43:49,622 The funny thing is that certain other companies are still 920 00:43:49,927 --> 00:43:50,791 trying to make one of these. 921 00:43:51,095 --> 00:43:53,689 So if you work for... 922 00:43:53,998 --> 00:43:58,958 Remember, all you need are 386 chips and 32 bits of a bus. 923 00:43:59,270 --> 00:44:02,137 We still dominated the corporate computing 924 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,206 marketplace, and if they got too big, then we would move in. 925 00:44:06,511 --> 00:44:09,446 Is it fair to characterize you, as a competitor of IBM, 926 00:44:09,714 --> 00:44:11,978 do you really take them on, head on? 927 00:44:12,283 --> 00:44:14,717 Well, we certainly compete directly with IBM. 928 00:44:15,019 --> 00:44:17,647 Our intent is not so much to compete with IBM, 929 00:44:17,955 --> 00:44:21,288 as to compete for customers who have an alternative 930 00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:22,617 of buying IBM products. 931 00:44:22,894 --> 00:44:24,452 It has been a star performer. 932 00:44:24,729 --> 00:44:28,221 It has grown faster than almost any other company in history 933 00:44:28,533 --> 00:44:31,058 in so short a period of time, but this business 934 00:44:31,369 --> 00:44:33,228 is fraught with danger. 935 00:44:33,538 --> 00:44:35,972 Do you think they can continue this pace? 936 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:36,729 It's doubtful. 937 00:44:40,711 --> 00:44:43,578 Compaq released sales predictions Wednesday 938 00:44:43,881 --> 00:44:45,974 saying the company will report first quarter sales 939 00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:48,081 of more than $200 million. 940 00:44:48,386 --> 00:44:49,751 The company's two latest machines, 941 00:44:50,054 --> 00:44:53,421 a desktop and a portable, are pound for pound the most 942 00:44:53,724 --> 00:44:55,316 powerful computers ever made. 943 00:44:55,593 --> 00:44:57,686 Compaq more than doubled it's sales last year 944 00:44:57,995 --> 00:44:59,428 and almost tripled its earnings. 945 00:44:59,730 --> 00:45:02,198 It took Compaq Computer just three years 946 00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:05,765 to leap into the Fortune 500 list of the nation's 947 00:45:06,070 --> 00:45:07,594 largest industrial companies. 948 00:45:07,905 --> 00:45:10,703 The press enjoyed writing about the wild Texans 949 00:45:11,008 --> 00:45:14,205 that came from nowhere and made a stake 950 00:45:14,512 --> 00:45:15,740 in the high tech industry. 951 00:45:16,047 --> 00:45:17,036 The Northwest Eastern storm 952 00:45:17,348 --> 00:45:18,838 is being discussed around the country 953 00:45:19,116 --> 00:45:21,050 as one of the fastest growing companies in recent history. 954 00:45:21,352 --> 00:45:22,683 We were having the time of our life. 955 00:45:27,692 --> 00:45:28,716 We never stopped. 956 00:45:29,026 --> 00:45:30,721 We worked hard, we played hard. 957 00:45:31,028 --> 00:45:32,689 Compaq plans to announce what amounts 958 00:45:32,964 --> 00:45:34,431 to the Lamborghini of PCs. 959 00:45:34,732 --> 00:45:36,063 As time went on you 960 00:45:36,367 --> 00:45:38,699 see neater and cooler cars show up in the parking lot. 961 00:45:38,970 --> 00:45:43,566 I bought a 1982 Porsche 928. 962 00:45:43,874 --> 00:45:45,273 He showed up at my house one morning, 963 00:45:45,576 --> 00:45:47,806 about 10 o'clock with a pitcher of Bloody Mary's, and he 964 00:45:48,112 --> 00:45:50,376 said, c'mon, let's go buy a couple cars. 965 00:45:50,648 --> 00:45:51,774 I had my wife, my kids, 966 00:45:52,083 --> 00:45:53,880 and we went to the Corvette dealer to get me 967 00:45:54,151 --> 00:45:55,618 a red and white Corvette convertible. 968 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,219 I drove a four cylinder Tempest with a cracked windshield, 969 00:45:59,490 --> 00:46:03,950 so that was more or less the kind of cars that were 970 00:46:04,262 --> 00:46:05,559 in the parking lot before then. 971 00:46:12,737 --> 00:46:17,071 Those of us who were used to eating McDonald's 972 00:46:17,341 --> 00:46:19,070 and drinking Budweiser beer, were 973 00:46:19,343 --> 00:46:22,073 suddenly eating smoked salmon and drinking Don Perignon. 974 00:46:22,346 --> 00:46:23,677 I was looking out the window one day 975 00:46:23,981 --> 00:46:26,506 and a helicopter landed. 976 00:46:26,817 --> 00:46:29,411 And this girl I worked with left the building, 977 00:46:29,687 --> 00:46:31,518 walked out, got in the helicopter, 978 00:46:31,822 --> 00:46:32,846 and then a little while later came back. 979 00:46:33,157 --> 00:46:33,953 And I said, what were you doing? 980 00:46:34,258 --> 00:46:35,520 She said, went to lunch. 981 00:46:35,826 --> 00:46:37,521 Every once in a while we slow down enough to step back 982 00:46:37,828 --> 00:46:42,629 and look at it, and it's been tremendously rewarding, 983 00:46:42,933 --> 00:46:44,366 and it does seem like a dream at times. 984 00:46:44,669 --> 00:46:46,500 Sales at the halfway stage this year 985 00:46:46,804 --> 00:46:48,635 were just under half a billion dollars. 986 00:46:48,939 --> 00:46:50,304 Only one company in history 987 00:46:50,608 --> 00:46:53,475 has exceeded $1 billion in sales in his first five years. 988 00:46:53,778 --> 00:46:55,803 It happened just last year, and the company was 989 00:46:56,113 --> 00:46:57,876 Compaq Computer Corporation. 990 00:46:58,182 --> 00:47:01,276 One Wall Street analyst says sales could tap a billion 991 00:47:01,552 --> 00:47:03,884 and a half dollars next year. 992 00:47:04,188 --> 00:47:06,486 Holy shit, what the hell's going on here, right? 993 00:47:06,791 --> 00:47:09,316 I mean, I go and ask the people who've been the investment 994 00:47:09,627 --> 00:47:10,525 business along time, have you ever 995 00:47:10,828 --> 00:47:12,352 seen anything like this before? 996 00:47:12,663 --> 00:47:13,561 And of course nobody had. 997 00:47:20,805 --> 00:47:22,898 My name's Rod and I'm proud of us. 998 00:47:23,207 --> 00:47:25,175 Setting records fast and furious. 999 00:47:25,476 --> 00:47:26,704 Put some cable here, a shock 1000 00:47:27,011 --> 00:47:29,707 mount there, put it in a box that ain't quite square. 1001 00:47:30,014 --> 00:47:32,642 We are Compaq's computer crew, shufflin' on down, 1002 00:47:32,917 --> 00:47:33,884 doing it for you. 1003 00:47:34,185 --> 00:47:36,050 We're so phat, we know we're good. 1004 00:47:36,354 --> 00:47:38,720 Selling the like we knew we would. 1005 00:47:45,563 --> 00:47:54,528 The success of the company was tremendous, 1006 00:47:54,839 --> 00:47:58,502 but on a personal level there were some, I'd say, 1007 00:47:58,776 --> 00:48:01,404 difficulties. 1008 00:48:01,712 --> 00:48:04,579 There was a definitive gap 1009 00:48:04,882 --> 00:48:09,615 between yourself, your spouse, sometimes your family, 1010 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,854 which caused a lot of problems. 1011 00:48:12,123 --> 00:48:16,583 A lot of challenges and a lot of ill feeling. 1012 00:48:19,096 --> 00:48:20,120 Now there were certainly 1013 00:48:20,431 --> 00:48:21,955 some things I did miss, but I worked 1014 00:48:22,266 --> 00:48:26,430 as hard as I could to do both. 1015 00:48:26,737 --> 00:48:33,404 Coaching Little League and spending time at school. 1016 00:48:33,711 --> 00:48:36,578 I think it's always sad when families split up. 1017 00:48:39,884 --> 00:48:44,048 There's nothing I can do about anybody else's, in my own case 1018 00:48:44,321 --> 00:48:46,118 there were a lot of factors that lead to a point 1019 00:48:46,424 --> 00:48:51,794 where ended up getting a divorce. 1020 00:48:52,096 --> 00:48:53,586 And I remember coming home one day, 1021 00:48:53,898 --> 00:48:59,131 and my wife said, Chris, who's my son, 1022 00:48:59,437 --> 00:49:05,103 mistook the gentleman working on the ice machine as you. 1023 00:49:05,409 --> 00:49:08,071 Wait, OK, that's a problem. 1024 00:49:08,345 --> 00:49:09,334 This isn't working. 1025 00:49:12,616 --> 00:49:18,612 And he said, I want to retire. 1026 00:49:18,923 --> 00:49:21,756 And that was a shock. 1027 00:49:22,026 --> 00:49:24,995 It's always been am I enjoying what I'm doing? 1028 00:49:25,296 --> 00:49:27,491 And the moment I'm not, change it. 1029 00:49:31,302 --> 00:49:33,634 This is what happens to all big companies. 1030 00:49:33,938 --> 00:49:35,667 There are none, I don't believe, 1031 00:49:35,973 --> 00:49:39,932 that ever can keep what they had in the beginning 1032 00:49:40,211 --> 00:49:41,940 throughout their growth. 1033 00:49:42,213 --> 00:49:42,770 It's impossible. 1034 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:55,648 That happened during one of the toughest times... 1035 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,487 toughest periods of my leadership of the company. 1036 00:49:59,797 --> 00:50:01,560 While many of the IBM compatible companies 1037 00:50:01,866 --> 00:50:04,334 have already gone under, literally, Compaq 1038 00:50:04,635 --> 00:50:05,966 has yet to really falter. 1039 00:50:06,237 --> 00:50:08,899 Compaq Computer has tried to outsmart IBM. 1040 00:50:09,206 --> 00:50:11,037 First, Compaq took on the big boys, 1041 00:50:11,342 --> 00:50:14,573 then became one of them, and now must fight to stay. 1042 00:50:31,028 --> 00:50:33,360 I knew what IBM was capable of, 1043 00:50:33,664 --> 00:50:36,098 and I knew that they would come sooner or later. 1044 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:37,992 I can't help but be reminded about that joke, 1045 00:50:38,269 --> 00:50:39,395 how do you dance with an elephant? 1046 00:50:39,703 --> 00:50:41,432 Very carefully, right, exactly. 1047 00:50:41,739 --> 00:50:44,230 There was these industry rumors that IBM 1048 00:50:44,542 --> 00:50:45,668 was going to sue Compaq. 1049 00:50:48,746 --> 00:50:50,270 Let me just say Compaq 1050 00:50:50,581 --> 00:50:53,778 was practicing a large number of IBM's patents, large number. 1051 00:50:56,787 --> 00:50:58,755 They were beginning to sense that they weren't 1052 00:50:59,056 --> 00:51:00,546 going to be able to control the PC industry 1053 00:51:00,858 --> 00:51:02,723 and make the kind of profits they were used to, 1054 00:51:03,027 --> 00:51:06,758 so they were looking to make money off of their patents. 1055 00:51:07,064 --> 00:51:10,397 Bob Jackson showed up at our door 1056 00:51:10,701 --> 00:51:14,432 and asked to see the CEO of the company. 1057 00:51:14,738 --> 00:51:17,400 IBM is here. 1058 00:51:17,708 --> 00:51:20,700 When IBM came they brought an army of people. 1059 00:51:20,978 --> 00:51:22,536 I don't really know who they were. 1060 00:51:22,813 --> 00:51:24,747 IBM would do this thing called 1061 00:51:25,049 --> 00:51:27,381 filling the skies with lawyers. 1062 00:51:27,651 --> 00:51:30,984 I got very concerned, very concerned. 1063 00:51:31,288 --> 00:51:32,778 Holy shit. 1064 00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:35,149 The idea was that lawyers would descend on 1065 00:51:35,459 --> 00:51:39,395 you in such a huge number it felt like the airborne was 1066 00:51:39,663 --> 00:51:41,130 parachuting into your office. 1067 00:51:41,432 --> 00:51:42,831 These guys could shut us down. 1068 00:51:43,133 --> 00:51:46,625 I mean, if they really want to go to the mat 1069 00:51:46,937 --> 00:51:50,134 that's a distinct possibility. 1070 00:51:50,441 --> 00:51:53,137 I said, IBM has 9,000 patents. 1071 00:51:53,444 --> 00:51:56,436 OK, maybe half of them don't apply to you, 1072 00:51:56,747 --> 00:51:58,681 but we've shown you 20. 1073 00:51:58,983 --> 00:52:03,283 There are hundreds more, and you can invalidate some of them, 1074 00:52:03,587 --> 00:52:06,920 but you can't invalidate them all. 1075 00:52:07,191 --> 00:52:08,988 They wanted a percentage of our sales price 1076 00:52:09,293 --> 00:52:12,751 for all of our sales. 1077 00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:13,928 They were at $2 billion, 1078 00:52:14,198 --> 00:52:16,598 and we were at $2 million. 1079 00:52:16,867 --> 00:52:21,964 It could end a company, stop a company in its tracks. 1080 00:52:22,272 --> 00:52:25,002 If they misbehaved... loosely used term, 1081 00:52:25,309 --> 00:52:29,439 but if they misbehaved we had the howitzers lined up. 1082 00:52:29,713 --> 00:52:32,648 I went in to Rod and told him we had to get 1083 00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:34,281 serious about the negotiations. 1084 00:52:34,551 --> 00:52:40,012 They weren't going to settle for a few million dollars. 1085 00:52:40,324 --> 00:52:42,292 He was very serious that if we didn't take 1086 00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:46,017 this offer, then they were going to come after us, 1087 00:52:46,330 --> 00:52:48,992 and they weren't going to back off. 1088 00:52:49,299 --> 00:52:53,668 We went up to about $130 million and that closed it. 1089 00:53:03,814 --> 00:53:05,179 The sword hanging over our head, 1090 00:53:05,482 --> 00:53:08,474 which was what's IBM going to do to shut you down, 1091 00:53:08,752 --> 00:53:14,019 seemed like it had left until April the second. 1092 00:53:14,324 --> 00:53:16,224 Hey, everybody, the new computers are here. 1093 00:53:16,527 --> 00:53:17,494 New computers? 1094 00:53:17,761 --> 00:53:19,854 Who may I ask authorized new computers? 1095 00:53:20,164 --> 00:53:20,823 Yeah, who? 1096 00:53:21,098 --> 00:53:21,587 You did. 1097 00:53:21,899 --> 00:53:22,388 Who did? 1098 00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:23,689 I did? 1099 00:53:24,001 --> 00:53:26,060 IBM... of course I did. 1100 00:53:26,370 --> 00:53:29,271 The new IBM Personal System II, the next generation 1101 00:53:29,573 --> 00:53:30,870 of personal computing. 1102 00:53:31,175 --> 00:53:32,665 It was the biggest IBM product announcement 1103 00:53:32,943 --> 00:53:34,706 since the original PC. 1104 00:53:35,012 --> 00:53:37,378 IBM's Personal System II computer 1105 00:53:37,681 --> 00:53:39,911 with the so-called microchannel, an entirely 1106 00:53:40,217 --> 00:53:41,946 new computer system that offers lots 1107 00:53:42,252 --> 00:53:43,742 of extra speed and capacity. 1108 00:53:44,054 --> 00:53:46,249 We built an excellent product. 1109 00:53:46,557 --> 00:53:48,252 The micro channel is, by technical specs, 1110 00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:49,890 superior to the alternative. 1111 00:53:50,194 --> 00:53:51,354 Permitting computer users 1112 00:53:51,628 --> 00:53:54,290 to perform several functions at the same time, 1113 00:53:54,598 --> 00:53:56,065 like writing and printing. 1114 00:53:56,366 --> 00:53:58,630 Functions that on many computers can only be done in succession. 1115 00:53:58,936 --> 00:54:01,029 Another new feature is that it has a port where we can 1116 00:54:01,305 --> 00:54:03,432 plug this mouse, this pointing device, 1117 00:54:03,741 --> 00:54:05,800 directly into the system. 1118 00:54:06,110 --> 00:54:09,910 My first reaction when I saw the announcement of the PSII, 1119 00:54:10,214 --> 00:54:11,647 was oh, shit. 1120 00:54:11,949 --> 00:54:15,282 IBM is introducing a new line of personal computers 1121 00:54:15,586 --> 00:54:17,884 that will be compatible with its own software 1122 00:54:18,155 --> 00:54:21,056 but difficult for competitors to duplicate. 1123 00:54:21,325 --> 00:54:23,225 Microchannel was their way 1124 00:54:23,494 --> 00:54:27,089 of breaking the whole compatibility thing 1125 00:54:27,397 --> 00:54:29,160 and putting it behind them forever. 1126 00:54:29,466 --> 00:54:31,400 IBM, it's just us, it's nobody else. 1127 00:54:31,668 --> 00:54:34,296 This is our operating system, it only runs on this machine. 1128 00:54:34,605 --> 00:54:36,300 You can't have it, you can't have it, you can't have it. 1129 00:54:36,607 --> 00:54:38,939 You have to buy this machine in order to run 1130 00:54:39,243 --> 00:54:40,733 our software, end of story. 1131 00:54:41,011 --> 00:54:41,978 There was no doubt they were just 1132 00:54:42,279 --> 00:54:44,406 absolutely trying to kill everybody 1133 00:54:44,681 --> 00:54:45,807 else... kill all the clones. 1134 00:54:46,116 --> 00:54:48,243 IBM has come out, and in response to the market, 1135 00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:49,918 is lean and mean. 1136 00:54:50,187 --> 00:54:53,315 It's the next revolution and evolution of microcomputers, 1137 00:54:53,624 --> 00:54:55,524 and logically enough, it comes from, still, 1138 00:54:55,826 --> 00:54:56,815 the market leader in PCs. 1139 00:54:57,127 --> 00:54:58,822 United was the first corporate buyer 1140 00:54:59,129 --> 00:55:01,120 of the Personal System II computers with 1141 00:55:01,431 --> 00:55:03,695 an order for 40,000 Model 50's. 1142 00:55:04,001 --> 00:55:07,198 It was the Death Star of our era. 1143 00:55:07,504 --> 00:55:09,096 Something designed to destroy all 1144 00:55:09,373 --> 00:55:10,806 the competition on the planet. 1145 00:55:11,108 --> 00:55:13,941 IBM has developed in the shape that will set the standard 1146 00:55:14,211 --> 00:55:15,371 for the next five years that the others 1147 00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:18,648 will have to play against. 1148 00:55:18,949 --> 00:55:21,884 We had our first PSII inside Compaq 1149 00:55:22,186 --> 00:55:25,053 within three hours of the announcement 1150 00:55:25,355 --> 00:55:26,982 and started tearing those suckers apart. 1151 00:55:33,297 --> 00:55:35,999 We were very confused about this microchannel. 1152 00:55:38,368 --> 00:55:40,461 The drawback is that, for the most part, 1153 00:55:40,737 --> 00:55:42,466 the new microchannel system is not 1154 00:55:42,739 --> 00:55:44,707 compatible with the existing system 1155 00:55:45,008 --> 00:55:48,375 most personal computer companies now use that IBM developed. 1156 00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:50,544 It was faster than the computer it replaced, 1157 00:55:50,848 --> 00:55:54,147 but it made useless $12 billion worth of software 1158 00:55:54,418 --> 00:55:55,976 already bought by business. 1159 00:55:56,253 --> 00:55:57,481 Will it hurt the consumer? 1160 00:55:57,754 --> 00:55:59,688 Well, it is a problem for a company who has a lot 1161 00:55:59,990 --> 00:56:01,890 of existing PCs installed. 1162 00:56:02,192 --> 00:56:03,181 Like Metropolitan Life 1163 00:56:03,493 --> 00:56:04,824 Insurance Company, where they have more 1164 00:56:05,095 --> 00:56:07,154 than 8,000 personal computers. 1165 00:56:07,431 --> 00:56:10,696 More than half of them IBM, but while Metropolitan continues 1166 00:56:11,001 --> 00:56:15,335 to buy PCs, none of them has the new IBM microchannel standard. 1167 00:56:15,606 --> 00:56:16,937 The cat's out of the bag. 1168 00:56:17,241 --> 00:56:19,869 The customers now realize you can buy something that's 1169 00:56:20,177 --> 00:56:22,839 not IBM, and not get fired. 1170 00:56:23,113 --> 00:56:26,048 And in fact, it works better sometimes. 1171 00:56:26,350 --> 00:56:28,784 The ground underneath us is starting to come apart, 1172 00:56:29,086 --> 00:56:30,713 but we're making that last ditch effort. 1173 00:56:31,021 --> 00:56:33,387 It's kind of like the two minute drive at the end of the game 1174 00:56:33,690 --> 00:56:38,889 to try to get this back under control, but it's not working. 1175 00:56:39,196 --> 00:56:41,926 The PSII was the biggest mistake they made. 1176 00:56:42,232 --> 00:56:43,859 They handed us the keys to the PC city 1177 00:56:44,134 --> 00:56:46,102 and we took them. 1178 00:56:46,403 --> 00:56:47,961 Now, the question is, did IBM make 1179 00:56:48,272 --> 00:56:49,899 a mistake that's irreversible? 1180 00:56:50,207 --> 00:56:52,198 One that may lead to even more erosion 1181 00:56:52,476 --> 00:56:54,239 in its share of the personal computer market. 1182 00:56:54,544 --> 00:56:57,604 IBM just screwed all new customers. 1183 00:56:57,915 --> 00:56:59,644 They walked away from compatibility, 1184 00:56:59,950 --> 00:57:01,884 and you're going to pay the price. 1185 00:57:02,152 --> 00:57:07,749 If we could take that message and isolate IBM, 1186 00:57:08,058 --> 00:57:09,958 then it became a much stronger message. 1187 00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:11,887 There is a revolt of the clones this morning. 1188 00:57:12,162 --> 00:57:13,459 The nine personal computer companies 1189 00:57:13,764 --> 00:57:16,062 whose business has always followed IBM's design lead. 1190 00:57:16,333 --> 00:57:18,893 It's a case of IBM versus the rest of the personal computer 1191 00:57:19,169 --> 00:57:20,568 industry. 1192 00:57:20,837 --> 00:57:22,327 Let's call them the gang of nine, a who's who 1193 00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:24,937 of heavyweights in the computer industry. 1194 00:57:25,242 --> 00:57:27,733 Gunning for the increasingly disputed champion, IBM. 1195 00:57:28,011 --> 00:57:30,479 The little guys got together and said, that's enough. 1196 00:57:30,781 --> 00:57:34,273 The first one we went to was Microsoft. 1197 00:57:34,584 --> 00:57:38,247 Bill thought it was a great idea, but he also feared IBM. 1198 00:57:38,522 --> 00:57:40,683 IBM was still his largest customer, 1199 00:57:40,991 --> 00:57:44,119 and he just invested a whole bunch with IBM. 1200 00:57:44,428 --> 00:57:48,626 Microsoft knows it has a market with IBM, 1201 00:57:48,932 --> 00:57:52,493 but they recognized, relatively early on, 1202 00:57:52,803 --> 00:57:55,499 that all of their capabilities were going to be providing 1203 00:57:55,806 --> 00:57:57,034 to the largest number of users. 1204 00:57:57,341 --> 00:57:58,535 He was looking for opportunities. 1205 00:57:58,842 --> 00:58:00,673 He would have jumped at any opportunity 1206 00:58:00,978 --> 00:58:02,809 to do something for Microsoft that 1207 00:58:03,113 --> 00:58:04,444 would build their business. 1208 00:58:04,715 --> 00:58:07,343 If I was Bill Gates, I would see the compatible market 1209 00:58:07,651 --> 00:58:09,312 as the reason why I am eventually 1210 00:58:09,619 --> 00:58:12,281 going to be a multi-billionaire, and one of the most successful 1211 00:58:12,556 --> 00:58:14,023 people on the planet. 1212 00:58:14,324 --> 00:58:16,189 The way you were supposed to deal with IBM was 1213 00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:19,485 that a smile and a hand shake in one hand, 1214 00:58:19,796 --> 00:58:21,889 and a knife to stab them in the back with the other hand. 1215 00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:23,894 Bill said, yep, I'll contact 1216 00:58:24,201 --> 00:58:26,499 all the other manufacturers and give 1217 00:58:26,803 --> 00:58:29,499 you a inroad to their CEOs. 1218 00:58:29,806 --> 00:58:31,501 Compaq, Tandy, Hewlett-Packard, 1219 00:58:31,808 --> 00:58:33,639 Olivetti and NEC. 1220 00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:35,343 It reads like a who's who 1221 00:58:35,645 --> 00:58:38,341 of the high tech world with the notable exception of IBM. 1222 00:58:38,648 --> 00:58:41,173 Now it's not only Compaq, but you've 1223 00:58:41,485 --> 00:58:45,546 got a whole group of people that they've got with them, too. 1224 00:58:45,856 --> 00:58:48,256 You're thinking, wow, maybe this thing 1225 00:58:48,558 --> 00:58:49,991 is bigger than we thought. 1226 00:58:50,260 --> 00:58:51,522 Can you get all the little guys 1227 00:58:51,828 --> 00:58:54,695 together and beat Goliath? 1228 00:58:54,998 --> 00:58:58,365 That wasn't like a sure thing, it was not a sure thing. 1229 00:58:58,668 --> 00:59:03,571 Rod got a call from Lowe the day before we announced it. 1230 00:59:03,874 --> 00:59:05,535 There was no way I wasn't going to go forward, 1231 00:59:05,842 --> 00:59:07,400 and there wasn't any way I was going to indicate 1232 00:59:07,711 --> 00:59:09,008 any weakness to him. 1233 00:59:09,279 --> 00:59:10,871 And he said, I think you're making 1234 00:59:11,181 --> 00:59:13,547 a big mistake by doing this. 1235 00:59:13,850 --> 00:59:15,681 I said, well, we'll see. 1236 00:59:15,952 --> 00:59:18,113 Led by Compaq Computer, IBM rivals 1237 00:59:18,422 --> 00:59:20,185 will unveil the new machines at a major news 1238 00:59:20,457 --> 00:59:21,754 conference in New York. 1239 00:59:22,059 --> 00:59:23,424 They decided to develop their own computer 1240 00:59:23,727 --> 00:59:26,787 standards, called extended industry standard architecture. 1241 00:59:27,097 --> 00:59:28,462 Or EISA for short. 1242 00:59:28,765 --> 00:59:29,925 Challenging the very standard 1243 00:59:30,233 --> 00:59:32,428 IBM is pushing with its highly touted 1244 00:59:32,736 --> 00:59:34,260 Personal System II computers. 1245 00:59:34,571 --> 00:59:37,597 They're not afraid of IBM. 1246 00:59:37,908 --> 00:59:42,902 They are taking on IBM, and the tide is starting to turn now. 1247 00:59:43,213 --> 00:59:46,580 And the microchannel has a real threat to it. 1248 00:59:46,883 --> 00:59:48,612 All of the companies that gathered at the industry 1249 00:59:48,919 --> 00:59:52,719 forum endorsed EISA because it maintains capability 1250 00:59:52,989 --> 00:59:55,150 with the almost 20 million computers 1251 00:59:55,459 --> 00:59:56,892 that exist in the world today. 1252 00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,492 Therefore, it protects the investment of today's millions 1253 00:59:59,796 --> 01:00:01,229 of PC users worldwide. 1254 01:00:01,498 --> 01:00:03,227 While offering just as much speed and memory 1255 01:00:03,500 --> 01:00:06,901 as microchannel, and armed with a host of heavy support. 1256 01:00:07,170 --> 01:00:09,434 It is important that we provide system 1257 01:00:09,739 --> 01:00:14,733 software products which fully support EISA based machines. 1258 01:00:15,011 --> 01:00:20,574 This event exemplifies the industry's determination 1259 01:00:20,851 --> 01:00:23,251 to create and to expand standards. 1260 01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:29,584 The industry together stood up against IBM and prevailed. 1261 01:00:29,860 --> 01:00:31,521 Letting the world know that Big Blue isn't 1262 01:00:31,828 --> 01:00:33,489 calling the shots anymore. 1263 01:00:33,797 --> 01:00:36,322 Their ability to change the market in directions 1264 01:00:36,633 --> 01:00:38,601 that don't make sense to a lot of people 1265 01:00:38,869 --> 01:00:40,598 is just simply not there anymore. 1266 01:00:40,871 --> 01:00:42,998 Some analysts think it was a day that left 1267 01:00:43,306 --> 01:00:45,433 Big Blue looking black and blue. 1268 01:00:45,709 --> 01:00:47,939 The genius of Intel and Microsoft 1269 01:00:48,211 --> 01:00:52,204 was that they both decided to take a chance on Compaq. 1270 01:00:52,516 --> 01:00:54,609 Because essentially, Compaq became 1271 01:00:54,885 --> 01:00:57,649 the canary in the coal mine for the strategy 1272 01:00:57,954 --> 01:00:59,854 of divorcing from IBM. 1273 01:01:00,157 --> 01:01:04,560 And their willingness to place their future 1274 01:01:04,861 --> 01:01:06,954 in the hands of this group from Houston 1275 01:01:07,230 --> 01:01:10,893 was pretty brave, and in retrospect, brilliant. 1276 01:01:26,149 --> 01:01:28,083 One final question, and kind of a personal one, 1277 01:01:28,385 --> 01:01:30,876 are there some mountains out there still for Rod Canion 1278 01:01:31,188 --> 01:01:32,519 to climb? 1279 01:01:32,822 --> 01:01:35,416 I think my biggest challenge for the foreseeable future 1280 01:01:35,725 --> 01:01:37,852 is to keep Compaq together. 1281 01:01:38,161 --> 01:01:41,062 Keep the culture, keep it rolling, 1282 01:01:41,364 --> 01:01:42,831 and reach whatever potential's there. 1283 01:01:43,099 --> 01:01:45,932 Nobody really knows how fast and how far a computer company can 1284 01:01:46,236 --> 01:01:47,362 go, and I'd like to see that. 1285 01:01:47,671 --> 01:01:49,662 Compaq Computer is one of the fastest growing 1286 01:01:49,940 --> 01:01:51,373 personal computer makers. 1287 01:01:51,675 --> 01:01:54,166 There's a company whose sales have grown from $111 million 1288 01:01:54,444 --> 01:01:57,936 in 1983 to more than $2 billion last year. 1289 01:01:58,248 --> 01:01:59,408 So what's to worry about? 1290 01:01:59,716 --> 01:02:02,913 It was a very different company. 1291 01:02:03,220 --> 01:02:05,188 How do you manage 17,000 people in the same way 1292 01:02:05,455 --> 01:02:06,854 that you manage a hundred... it's not possible. 1293 01:02:07,123 --> 01:02:10,889 Every time you hire you end up, potentially, 1294 01:02:11,194 --> 01:02:13,719 starting to dilute, and then over time you 1295 01:02:14,030 --> 01:02:16,430 end up with an organization that isn't 1296 01:02:16,733 --> 01:02:18,701 the same as the organization you started with. 1297 01:02:18,969 --> 01:02:20,436 Has the fun gone out of it now that you've 1298 01:02:20,737 --> 01:02:21,795 built this successful company? 1299 01:02:22,105 --> 01:02:22,594 Will you stay with it? 1300 01:02:22,906 --> 01:02:23,930 What are your plans? 1301 01:02:24,241 --> 01:02:25,970 Oh, no, the fun is still there. 1302 01:02:26,276 --> 01:02:29,803 The challenge is different, that's all I can say. 1303 01:02:30,113 --> 01:02:31,740 There's nothing quite like starting a company 1304 01:02:32,048 --> 01:02:33,640 and having it grow rapidly. 1305 01:02:33,950 --> 01:02:36,783 As we moved to a Fortune 500 status 1306 01:02:37,087 --> 01:02:38,987 and then approaching the billion dollar level, 1307 01:02:39,289 --> 01:02:41,757 the problems are different. 1308 01:02:42,058 --> 01:02:43,582 We knew we needed a leader 1309 01:02:43,893 --> 01:02:48,592 to build a team in Europe, and through a recommendation, 1310 01:02:48,898 --> 01:02:50,957 we contacted Eckhard Pfeiffer and very 1311 01:02:51,268 --> 01:02:52,428 quickly he joined the company and began 1312 01:02:52,736 --> 01:02:53,930 to build our European team. 1313 01:02:54,237 --> 01:02:56,967 We decided that we would go into the major markets 1314 01:02:57,274 --> 01:03:01,335 right from the start, which were Germany, the UK and France. 1315 01:03:01,645 --> 01:03:03,078 And from then on expand gradually 1316 01:03:03,346 --> 01:03:05,143 into all the other countries. 1317 01:03:05,448 --> 01:03:10,511 He was more accustomed to high volume manufacturing, 1318 01:03:10,820 --> 01:03:15,348 get the cost out kinds of situations 1319 01:03:15,659 --> 01:03:18,822 and that's exactly what Compaq needed with the new lower 1320 01:03:19,129 --> 01:03:20,187 cost product line. 1321 01:03:20,497 --> 01:03:22,124 In our CEO forum this week, we take a look 1322 01:03:22,432 --> 01:03:25,026 at the art of competing on the international scene. 1323 01:03:25,335 --> 01:03:27,462 American companies versus the Japanese. 1324 01:03:27,771 --> 01:03:29,932 Do you worry about the competition that's 1325 01:03:30,206 --> 01:03:32,106 coming from the Far East and from Europe, 1326 01:03:32,375 --> 01:03:33,672 particularly in the computer industry? 1327 01:03:33,977 --> 01:03:36,377 The Japanese certainly have a lot of strengths. 1328 01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,513 The Japanese company has major competitors in the long term. 1329 01:03:39,816 --> 01:03:41,875 Foreign manufacturers got to be pretty good. 1330 01:03:42,185 --> 01:03:45,621 Quality improved, and essentially, for someone 1331 01:03:45,889 --> 01:03:49,325 like Compaq, they no longer could get that price 1332 01:03:49,626 --> 01:03:51,184 advantage that they once had. 1333 01:03:51,494 --> 01:03:54,657 You wouldn't want to buy these things for $3,000 anymore. 1334 01:03:54,964 --> 01:03:56,693 Could you buy them for $1,000? 1335 01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,365 Do I hear $950? 1336 01:03:58,668 --> 01:04:01,296 The new notebooks like Toshiba's T-1000, 1337 01:04:01,571 --> 01:04:04,734 Tandy's 1100-FD and Zenus Mini Sport are 1338 01:04:05,041 --> 01:04:06,975 in the $1,000 to $2,000 range. 1339 01:04:07,243 --> 01:04:12,374 At the high end, about $4,000 Compaq LTE 286. 1340 01:04:12,682 --> 01:04:14,673 We had companies like Dell Computer actually 1341 01:04:14,984 --> 01:04:17,384 begin to build better and better products, 1342 01:04:17,687 --> 01:04:19,655 and they were selling them at a lower price. 1343 01:04:19,923 --> 01:04:21,550 Compaq, the Houston giant, 1344 01:04:21,858 --> 01:04:23,849 has been facing an advertising assault from the much 1345 01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:25,559 smaller Dell Computer. 1346 01:04:25,862 --> 01:04:28,831 The industry can't recall anything like these biting ads 1347 01:04:29,099 --> 01:04:30,896 comparing features and price. 1348 01:04:31,201 --> 01:04:35,365 The Dell ad calls Dell appealing and Compaq appalling. 1349 01:04:35,672 --> 01:04:37,105 Dell, top of the mark. 1350 01:04:37,407 --> 01:04:39,602 Compaq, top of the mark-ups. 1351 01:04:39,909 --> 01:04:41,877 Compaq is not amused. 1352 01:04:42,178 --> 01:04:45,375 You can't survive, I believe, for very long at least, 1353 01:04:45,682 --> 01:04:47,445 just by selling the same products at a lower price. 1354 01:04:47,751 --> 01:04:49,116 And there were people 1355 01:04:49,419 --> 01:04:51,717 who said we need to get a low cost product out there now 1356 01:04:52,021 --> 01:04:55,081 and take on these people. 1357 01:04:55,392 --> 01:04:57,553 That was primarily led by Pfeiffer. 1358 01:05:01,131 --> 01:05:02,530 I think it has been a little bit more 1359 01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:06,394 difficult for them to keep up with the changing 1360 01:05:06,703 --> 01:05:07,761 in technology. 1361 01:05:08,071 --> 01:05:09,368 Compaq, a darling of Wall Street 1362 01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:11,573 that could do little wrong in the past, 1363 01:05:11,875 --> 01:05:14,366 found itself on the market's bad side last week, 1364 01:05:14,644 --> 01:05:16,077 Compaq's stock plunged. 1365 01:05:16,379 --> 01:05:19,041 On paper, combined losses to all shareholders 1366 01:05:19,315 --> 01:05:21,715 of more than $740 million. 1367 01:05:21,985 --> 01:05:25,250 It certainly is a stumble in the eyes of the stockholders. 1368 01:05:25,555 --> 01:05:30,822 We didn't want to disappoint relative to expectations, 1369 01:05:31,127 --> 01:05:32,287 but I think you've got to differentiate that 1370 01:05:32,595 --> 01:05:34,085 from the actual health of the company. 1371 01:05:34,397 --> 01:05:38,561 Ben, with some prodding from Pfeiffer, 1372 01:05:38,835 --> 01:05:42,236 was becoming paranoid that we would not be able to recognize, 1373 01:05:42,505 --> 01:05:46,168 and switch, and move, from as high a quality provider as we 1374 01:05:46,476 --> 01:05:49,843 were to low cost computers. 1375 01:05:50,146 --> 01:05:52,011 We certainly started seeing changes 1376 01:05:52,315 --> 01:05:58,447 in marketing strategies, changes in the competitor base, 1377 01:05:58,755 --> 01:06:01,417 changes in the importance of pricing. 1378 01:06:01,691 --> 01:06:03,659 The essential view was that Rod could not 1379 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,656 adapt to what the company needed going forward. 1380 01:06:06,963 --> 01:06:08,328 Ben had other concerns about it. 1381 01:06:08,631 --> 01:06:14,763 He was more concerned about me losing 1382 01:06:15,038 --> 01:06:16,027 commitment to the company. 1383 01:06:16,339 --> 01:06:20,173 Rod was working on a low cost concept, 1384 01:06:20,477 --> 01:06:26,382 but I don't think he was pushing it enough to satisfy the board. 1385 01:06:26,683 --> 01:06:29,015 The chairman of your company is a guy named Ben Rosen. 1386 01:06:29,319 --> 01:06:32,618 What's the chemistry between the two of you? 1387 01:06:32,889 --> 01:06:34,618 I'd say Ben and I are very good friends. 1388 01:06:34,891 --> 01:06:38,622 Ben joined Compaq at a time when we were just forming, 1389 01:06:38,895 --> 01:06:40,692 and I think he's played a key role in helping 1390 01:06:40,997 --> 01:06:42,692 guide us along the way. 1391 01:06:42,999 --> 01:06:44,557 We have a lot of mutual respect, and we bring 1392 01:06:44,868 --> 01:06:47,735 different things to the party. 1393 01:06:48,037 --> 01:06:49,868 You have to give Ben credit for two things. 1394 01:06:50,173 --> 01:06:52,368 One, he saw that the vision was a real vision. 1395 01:06:52,675 --> 01:06:56,543 He got it right away because they did finance the plan, 1396 01:06:56,846 --> 01:06:59,906 and then at each stage thereafter 1397 01:07:00,216 --> 01:07:03,674 he encouraged and supported. 1398 01:07:03,987 --> 01:07:06,854 Without Ben Rosen Compaq Computer Corporation 1399 01:07:07,156 --> 01:07:07,986 would not be where it is today. 1400 01:07:11,094 --> 01:07:13,153 The board did not want 1401 01:07:13,429 --> 01:07:23,031 to take any action against Rod, but they got to the point 1402 01:07:23,339 --> 01:07:26,775 where they felt like we had to do something. 1403 01:07:48,031 --> 01:07:49,623 Ben decided that he might want 1404 01:07:49,933 --> 01:07:51,195 to create a situation where there's 1405 01:07:51,467 --> 01:07:54,561 kind of two bosses, Pfeiffer and Rod, 1406 01:07:54,871 --> 01:08:00,309 because of a loss of confidence in us. 1407 01:08:00,610 --> 01:08:01,907 There are some management changes 1408 01:08:02,211 --> 01:08:05,271 that you make because an opportunity is created 1409 01:08:05,582 --> 01:08:09,416 by bringing that new person in, and even at the time, 1410 01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:14,088 there was no evidence of that at Compaq. 1411 01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:15,948 I don't question the motives of it. 1412 01:08:16,259 --> 01:08:20,389 I think Ben was genuinely concerned, 1413 01:08:20,663 --> 01:08:24,622 I mean there's just no doubt about it. 1414 01:08:24,934 --> 01:08:26,094 Rod wouldn't compromise 1415 01:08:26,402 --> 01:08:27,835 and take the dual leadership. 1416 01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,800 We were getting ready to have a board meeting and Rod told me. 1417 01:08:34,110 --> 01:08:35,907 He said, you know, Jim, they're going to vote 1418 01:08:36,179 --> 01:08:38,909 today on whether to remove me. 1419 01:08:39,182 --> 01:08:40,843 My attitude when we started Compaq was 1420 01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:44,347 I would be ready to move aside if that ever was necessary, 1421 01:08:44,654 --> 01:08:46,178 and I thank the other founders of Compaq 1422 01:08:46,489 --> 01:08:48,980 had the same attitude. 1423 01:08:49,292 --> 01:08:51,920 That night of the board meeting, 1424 01:08:52,195 --> 01:08:57,758 it was 10:30, 11:00 o'clock at night. 1425 01:08:58,034 --> 01:08:59,592 I got a call from Jim. 1426 01:09:12,815 --> 01:09:13,804 I can only say there was 1427 01:09:14,117 --> 01:09:15,482 open weeping in the hallways. 1428 01:09:19,455 --> 01:09:21,446 Going on without him was almost unimaginable. 1429 01:09:26,362 --> 01:09:28,193 I had quit Compaq that day. 1430 01:09:31,300 --> 01:09:32,460 It was like the heart and soul 1431 01:09:32,735 --> 01:09:34,566 of the company being torn out. 1432 01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:39,640 I went ahead and turned my resignation in. 1433 01:09:43,546 --> 01:09:46,674 I cannot even think of being tired of what 1434 01:09:46,983 --> 01:09:48,917 I'm doing and the opportunity that 1435 01:09:49,218 --> 01:09:50,845 I see at Compaq in the same fault... 1436 01:09:51,154 --> 01:09:52,052 They are two different things. 1437 01:09:52,355 --> 01:09:55,051 I see so much challenge out there, 1438 01:09:55,358 --> 01:09:57,417 a challenge that, I believe, we're capable of, 1439 01:09:57,727 --> 01:09:59,592 and yet I really want to see it through. 1440 01:10:03,566 --> 01:10:05,261 Ben convinced himself that this 1441 01:10:05,568 --> 01:10:06,694 was the right move to make. 1442 01:10:09,772 --> 01:10:11,034 He lost it. 1443 01:10:11,340 --> 01:10:14,537 He said several tears over the decision. 1444 01:10:19,515 --> 01:10:23,417 It was inevitable that there'd be a change. 1445 01:10:33,596 --> 01:10:34,620 It was a very sad time. 1446 01:10:39,635 --> 01:10:43,469 It sunk in, what had really happened and what it meant. 1447 01:10:46,909 --> 01:10:48,774 It took a very long time before it 1448 01:10:49,078 --> 01:10:52,809 finally began to feel normal not to be there every day. 1449 01:10:53,116 --> 01:10:56,415 It was tough, it was tough on... it was hard on me. 1450 01:11:39,929 --> 01:11:42,159 Compaq's focus on portability 1451 01:11:42,465 --> 01:11:44,330 was the beginning of mobility and mattering 1452 01:11:44,634 --> 01:11:52,973 to the technology industry, and everything that we do today 1453 01:11:53,276 --> 01:11:56,143 is really driven by the ethic that if you 1454 01:11:56,445 --> 01:12:00,006 can't do it while you're moving around, it's not very valuable. 1455 01:12:00,316 --> 01:12:02,614 And we can thank Compaq for all of that. 1456 01:12:02,885 --> 01:12:05,615 My dad would always look at some of these cell phones, 1457 01:12:05,888 --> 01:12:08,448 or some of the newer computers, and say, 1458 01:12:08,724 --> 01:12:11,215 are you responsible for all of this stuff? 1459 01:12:11,527 --> 01:12:12,619 Well, yeah, it's a good thing. 1460 01:12:12,895 --> 01:12:14,795 I use iPhones, I use iPads, and 1461 01:12:15,064 --> 01:12:17,794 I do know that if Compaq developed those products... now, 1462 01:12:18,067 --> 01:12:19,398 I'm not taking anything away from those guys. 1463 01:12:19,702 --> 01:12:21,499 Those guys did magnificent job, and they can sell them 1464 01:12:21,804 --> 01:12:25,900 to dead people, but if we did them they'd work better, 1465 01:12:26,209 --> 01:12:27,836 I know that. 1466 01:12:28,144 --> 01:12:31,238 If anybody had tried to tell me how successful 1467 01:12:31,547 --> 01:12:35,643 Compaq would become, I would've just said, 1468 01:12:35,918 --> 01:12:38,751 you're blowing smoke. 1469 01:12:39,055 --> 01:12:40,044 That's not possible. 1470 01:12:40,356 --> 01:12:44,588 We never ever had any idea that this 1471 01:12:44,894 --> 01:12:48,386 would be as explosively successful as it was, never. 1472 01:12:48,698 --> 01:12:50,165 I don't think we were ever trying to take 1473 01:12:50,433 --> 01:12:53,493 down the biggest company ever. 1474 01:12:53,769 --> 01:12:55,703 We were trying to survive. 1475 01:12:56,005 --> 01:13:00,669 Here was a product and an idea for a start up 1476 01:13:00,943 --> 01:13:04,379 that should have been in Silicon Valley, if anywhere. 1477 01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:05,237 But Houston? 1478 01:13:05,548 --> 01:13:06,515 Give me a break. 1479 01:13:06,782 --> 01:13:09,444 I had no idea we were going to be doing 1480 01:13:09,752 --> 01:13:10,582 a billion dollar company... 1481 01:13:10,887 --> 01:13:13,048 I mean, the billion dollar baby was IBM. 1482 01:13:13,356 --> 01:13:16,018 How can I even conceive, or think, that we 1483 01:13:16,292 --> 01:13:20,058 would be an IBM in that sense? 1484 01:13:20,363 --> 01:13:24,561 No way, not the slightest. 1485 01:13:24,867 --> 01:13:28,030 I would still like to have a Mexican restaurant.