0 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:10,000 1 00:00:14,980 --> 00:00:15,530 the 2 00:00:15,530 --> 00:00:20,70 great respect that I have for your leadership mister president 3 00:00:20,70 --> 00:00:23,109 in this little-understood 4 00:00:23,109 --> 00:00:28,80 unfamiliar wars the first war the 21st century 5 00:00:28,80 --> 00:00:33,670 it is not well known it was 6 00:00:33,670 --> 00:00:37,100 not well understood it is complex for people to 7 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:40,309 comprehend and I know with certain 8 00:00:40,309 --> 00:00:45,860 certainty that over time 3 contributions you've made will be 9 00:00:45,860 --> 00:00:48,860 recorded by history our 10 00:00:48,860 --> 00:02:22,720 hard 11 00:02:22,720 --> 00:03:21,730 I'm 12 00:03:21,730 --> 00:03:31,140 here 13 00:03:31,140 --> 00:03:33,279 1 14 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:39,60 E 15 00:03:39,60 --> 00:03:41,30 on May 1st 2003 16 00:03:41,30 --> 00:03:45,690 President George W Bush declared an end two major combat operations in Iraq 17 00:03:45,690 --> 00:03:49,690 and said in the battle over iraq the United States and our allies have 18 00:03:49,690 --> 00:03:50,760 prevailed 19 00:03:50,760 --> 00:04:09,470 in 20 00:04:09,470 --> 00:04:11,500 here 21 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:16,548 and 22 00:04:16,548 --> 00:04:19,779 four years later after over three thousand american deaths 23 00:04:19,779 --> 00:04:23,650 and over 20,000 American wounded iraq has disintegrated 24 00:04:23,650 --> 00:04:26,960 into chaos baghdad his 10 a 25 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,448 10 bombings 10-15 burmese a day ends maybe 26 00:04:30,449 --> 00:04:33,789 50 keia but I suspect this 27 00:04:33,789 --> 00:04:37,128 drastically under-reported we probably cash in a third 28 00:04:37,129 --> 00:04:41,690 what's actually occurring millions of Iraqis have lost access to drinking 29 00:04:41,690 --> 00:04:42,319 water 30 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:46,560 sewage treatment and electricity since the invasion baghdad 31 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,539 a city of 6 million has been under an 8 p.m. curfew since March 32 00:04:50,539 --> 00:04:55,479 2006 over three million Iraqis have fled to neighboring countries 33 00:04:55,479 --> 00:05:00,490 0 estimates have the civilian death toll ranged as high as 600,000 34 00:05:00,490 --> 00:05:04,80 on people who who died 35 00:05:04,80 --> 00:05:07,659 they're lucky but people living they're dead 36 00:05:07,659 --> 00:05:11,449 well their life the west part and the North Park all there are 37 00:05:11,449 --> 00:05:14,860 are controlled by and thousands that other type 38 00:05:14,860 --> 00:05:18,860 is controlled by Yemeni shares iraq's two major muscle groups 39 00:05:18,860 --> 00:05:23,159 the shiite-majority and Sunni minority are increasingly at war 40 00:05:23,159 --> 00:05:26,300 Garnett out what should 41 00:05:26,300 --> 00:05:29,430 oh and other documents ok problem about 42 00:05:29,430 --> 00:05:32,810 what method Rd jet camacho you honey I 43 00:05:32,810 --> 00:05:37,9 Ghaziabad Court Donnie yeah 44 00:05:37,9 --> 00:05:37,849 1 45 00:05:37,849 --> 00:05:43,29 for tonight I just don't do it again 46 00:05:43,29 --> 00:05:53,969 financial ruin 47 00:05:53,969 --> 00:05:58,959 point 48 00:05:58,959 --> 00:06:03,510 a ok 49 00:06:03,510 --> 00:06:10,419 mmm 50 00:06:10,419 --> 00:06:13,849 mom 51 00:06:13,849 --> 00:06:20,340 from January 2003 to January 2005 I was chairman of the National Intelligence 52 00:06:20,340 --> 00:06:20,869 Council 53 00:06:20,870 --> 00:06:23,990 we produced the first national estimate on 54 00:06:23,990 --> 00:06:29,180 the state of the insurgency and iraq the estimate delivery pretty bad news 55 00:06:29,180 --> 00:06:32,900 basically laid out so to bad worst worst scenarios 56 00:06:32,900 --> 00:06:38,30 the president called guesswork and is Harper spokesman called it's our 57 00:06:38,30 --> 00:06:41,900 hand-wringing amazing harm 58 00:06:41,900 --> 00:07:13,248 what was really really into me was the president haven't read it 59 00:07:13,249 --> 00:07:17,110 September 11th 2001 was a very clear break beautiful day 60 00:07:17,110 --> 00:07:20,339 and I had just come back from the pentagon barbershop 61 00:07:20,339 --> 00:07:25,39 walked by my office and glanced up in on the television screen and 62 00:07:25,39 --> 00:07:32,340 there was wanted the Twin Towers burning 63 00:07:32,340 --> 00:07:36,520 we never heard the plane coming at least I didn't suddenly though 64 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,979 whole world turned upside down I saw a fireball 65 00:07:40,979 --> 00:07:45,99 and I don't tell you ice on it and I said to myself I'm going to die today 66 00:07:45,99 --> 00:07:49,840 that plane had come directly under our our section in the office is the army 67 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:50,770 Budget Office 68 00:07:50,770 --> 00:07:53,900 were 38 army employees were killed 69 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:57,99 was directly beneath us and the Navy's new 70 00:07:57,99 --> 00:08:01,159 command center was two floors beneath us everybody was killed in those two 71 00:08:01,159 --> 00:08:06,39 sections this was something that Osama bin Laden had to orchestrate because he 72 00:08:06,39 --> 00:08:07,800 was the only terrorist I could think of 73 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:12,60 who could've coordinated this kind of activity you had that thought 74 00:08:12,60 --> 00:08:15,990 media immediately immediately I'm 75 00:08:15,990 --> 00:08:19,919 a month after September 11th the United States and turn Afghanistan in search of 76 00:08:19,919 --> 00:08:20,590 al Qaeda 77 00:08:20,590 --> 00:08:25,250 and Osama bin Laden but even before the Afghan war several senior administration 78 00:08:25,250 --> 00:08:27,240 officials were looking at another target 79 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:33,49 one that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks when the planes at the pentagon 80 00:08:33,49 --> 00:08:33,468 I was 81 00:08:33,469 --> 00:08:36,800 in the building and then I guess the next 82 00:08:36,799 --> 00:08:40,439 between this or that happened was we immediately got asked 83 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,479 to see if we could write any relationship between 84 00:08:43,479 --> 00:08:47,170 saddam in Arcadia I went right away to the 85 00:08:47,170 --> 00:08:51,149 to the counterterrorism group and to their chief 86 00:08:51,149 --> 00:08:54,600 Iraq analyst the two of us sat down over a few days 87 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,180 and looked at all historical reporting that we could go through 88 00:08:58,180 --> 00:09:02,219 which include well we concluded that there was no relationship 89 00:09:02,220 --> 00:09:06,250 his regime he'd and protect terrorist including 90 00:09:06,250 --> 00:09:10,579 members and al Qaeda we continue to watch iraq's involvement in terrorist 91 00:09:10,579 --> 00:09:11,399 activities 92 00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:15,199 when I want to bring to your attention today is the potentially much more 93 00:09:15,199 --> 00:09:16,910 sinister nexus between 94 00:09:16,910 --> 00:09:20,209 Iraq in the ok I to terrorist network we don't want 95 00:09:20,209 --> 00:09:23,670 smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud iraq has drones 96 00:09:23,670 --> 00:09:26,860 and I don't think these drones and infirm on the ships in ago I'm the 97 00:09:26,860 --> 00:09:31,709 drones with chemical biological weapons in the gulf latest round of the ship's 98 00:09:31,709 --> 00:09:36,469 an attack the East Coast United States you know this is absolute fantasyland 99 00:09:36,470 --> 00:09:38,649 people or 100 00:09:38,649 --> 00:09:41,759 I don't know what they were smoking but it must been very good 101 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:45,40 George W Bush's foreign policy inner circle 102 00:09:45,40 --> 00:09:50,269 cheney rumsfeld and Wolfowitz set the administration on course for war with 103 00:09:50,269 --> 00:09:50,819 Iraq 104 00:09:50,819 --> 00:09:55,929 Condoleezza Rice sided with them colin powell and Richard Armitage 105 00:09:55,929 --> 00:10:00,230 the only senior officials with combat experience expressed concerns privately 106 00:10:00,230 --> 00:10:09,290 but supported the administration in public and 107 00:10:09,290 --> 00:10:12,240 bush's advisers had been involved with saddam hussein 108 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:17,50 since he invaded Iran in 1980 in a brutal war that killed nearly a million 109 00:10:17,50 --> 00:10:17,770 people 110 00:10:17,770 --> 00:10:21,520 iraq used chemical weapons against both the Iranian military 111 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,520 and innocent civilians saddam invested billions of dollars in 112 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,529 clear chemical and biological weapons programs well murdering three hundred 113 00:10:29,529 --> 00:10:30,959 thousand his own citizens 114 00:10:30,959 --> 00:10:34,529 I'm but the reagan administration fearing a ROM 115 00:10:34,529 --> 00:10:38,180 supported saddam with military intelligence and economic aid 116 00:10:38,180 --> 00:10:41,390 Donald Rumsfeld met with saddam in 1983 117 00:10:41,390 --> 00:10:44,689 colin powell was reagan's national security adviser 118 00:10:44,690 --> 00:10:48,490 from 1987 to 1989 it's really summed up 119 00:10:48,490 --> 00:10:51,800 in dreadful but very very telling 120 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,319 State Department document from 1987 121 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,20 which said human rights and chemical weapons use 122 00:10:59,20 --> 00:11:05,310 aside comma our interests run roughly parallel to those in Iraq 123 00:11:05,310 --> 00:11:09,149 the iran-iraq war ends in stalemate in 1988 124 00:11:09,149 --> 00:11:12,320 in nineteen ninety saddam invades kuwait 125 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,329 a us-led coalition expels him 126 00:11:15,329 --> 00:11:19,20 in a war masterminded by Dick Cheney then-secretary of Defense 127 00:11:19,20 --> 00:11:23,29 Paul Wolfowitz then undersecretary of defense for policy 128 00:11:23,29 --> 00:11:26,350 and colin powell then-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 129 00:11:26,350 --> 00:11:31,19 the first president Bush urges the rockies to stage a coup against saddam 130 00:11:31,19 --> 00:11:36,730 there's another way for the bloodshed to stop and that is for the iraqi military 131 00:11:36,730 --> 00:11:41,970 and the Iraqi people to take matters into their own hands and force at 132 00:11:41,970 --> 00:11:43,860 Amherst saying the dictator 133 00:11:43,860 --> 00:11:47,940 to step aside yet when iraq's southern Shiites rise up 134 00:11:47,940 --> 00:11:51,529 the administration allow saddam to repress them 14 135 00:11:51,529 --> 00:11:54,699 auto iraq's in to governors 136 00:11:54,699 --> 00:11:58,240 were under rebel control when general schwartzkopf 137 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,630 allowed saddam hussein to use 138 00:12:01,630 --> 00:12:05,610 helicopter gunships to massacre 139 00:12:05,610 --> 00:12:10,970 the rebels men women and children the 1991 armistice requires a rock to disarm 140 00:12:10,970 --> 00:12:14,470 but saddam refuses to comply as a result 141 00:12:14,470 --> 00:12:18,950 iraq's economy crumbles under a UN embargo instituted in 1993 142 00:12:18,950 --> 00:12:23,500 and continued by the clinton administration saddam's favor delete 143 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:27,560 remain wealthy but ordinary iraqis are plunged into extreme poverty 144 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:32,979 and many turned fundamentalist Islam in 1993 145 00:12:32,980 --> 00:12:37,40 when George Bush Senior visits kuwait saddam attempts to assassinate him 146 00:12:37,40 --> 00:12:41,390 seven years later his son has elected president the United States 147 00:12:41,390 --> 00:12:44,970 when you see the same architects those policies 148 00:12:44,970 --> 00:12:48,210 on the one hand talking about getting right 149 00:12:48,210 --> 00:12:52,490 what they had gone wrong back in 1991 finishing the job 150 00:12:52,490 --> 00:12:58,40 I was tempting to say well we'll maybe they've learned use 151 00:12:58,40 --> 00:13:01,189 use much sweeter with sure you 152 00:13:01,190 --> 00:13:05,120 worse every resume military 153 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:14,70 shoes 154 00:13:14,70 --> 00:13:16,680 if you want to date the beginning love did 155 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:21,239 disaster post-war Iraq it would be january 28th 2003 156 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,240 when bush signed without 157 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,20 as far as I can tell any real discussion within the white house with the 158 00:13:28,20 --> 00:13:33,40 administration national security presidential directive number 24 159 00:13:33,40 --> 00:13:36,430 which gate controller post-war Iraq to the pentagon 160 00:13:36,430 --> 00:13:40,99 that document essentially made on rumsfeld 161 00:13:40,100 --> 00:13:43,730 the main actor on post-war Iraq is war was 162 00:13:43,730 --> 00:13:47,740 conceived by a very small group of people inside the administrator Bush 163 00:13:47,740 --> 00:13:48,790 administration 164 00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:51,890 they had an entirely and naive the 165 00:13:51,890 --> 00:13:56,140 vision of what iraq was and what iraqis would do once the regime 166 00:13:56,140 --> 00:14:00,000 fell in formulating its views on post-saddam Iraq 167 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,100 the administration relied heavily on a man named akhmed 168 00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:08,320 Chalabi since 1992 Chalabi had been president of the Iraqi National Congress 169 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,960 War II and see widely viewed with suspicion 170 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,230 Chalabi had been convicted in jordan over huge bank fraud 171 00:14:15,230 --> 00:14:18,780 the intelligence community found his information unreliable 172 00:14:18,780 --> 00:14:21,920 or even fraudulent at best I think 173 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:26,860 they were liars and at worst they were provocateurs 174 00:14:26,860 --> 00:14:30,70 defer to 9c source it was always 175 00:14:30,70 --> 00:14:33,280 looked at very very skeptically by 176 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,470 the analyst but that wasn't the case with policymakers 177 00:14:36,470 --> 00:14:40,10 Chalabi asserted that post-war Iraq would be pro-american 178 00:14:40,10 --> 00:14:43,780 and easily stabilized particularly if Chalabi himself 179 00:14:43,780 --> 00:14:47,459 was in charge and so the plan was essentially 180 00:14:47,460 --> 00:14:51,330 will stay for three or four months we will install 181 00:14:51,330 --> 00:14:55,90 a government made up %uh exiles and led by 182 00:14:55,90 --> 00:15:00,480 I inchallah be and then in August or September 2003 183 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,850 we will begin ATM drastic reduction of 184 00:15:04,850 --> 00:15:09,810 troops Larry to readdress torsten 14 min said by the end of August 185 00:15:09,810 --> 00:15:14,319 love 2003 we will have all but twenty-five to thirty thousand troops 186 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:15,360 out of Iraq 187 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,460 I heard him say that in a room full of people 188 00:15:18,460 --> 00:15:22,600 and I turned my colleagues I said this guy doesn't know what he's talking about 189 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:22,920 its 190 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,550 physically impossible the state department's future other 191 00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:30,359 iraq project thirteen volumes study on post-war Iraq 192 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,370 was ignored by the pentagon it was ok of a lot of thinking and state department 193 00:15:34,370 --> 00:15:34,750 there 194 00:15:34,750 --> 00:15:37,880 board feet volumes on 195 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,220 how we should do this almost done at this was integrated into the pentagon's 196 00:15:42,220 --> 00:15:42,720 think 197 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,269 secretaries frustration along with my own 198 00:15:46,269 --> 00:15:50,380 grew as we watched are careful planning our detailed planning 199 00:15:50,380 --> 00:15:54,470 my essentially discarded in the people who've been involved in 200 00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:57,670 essentially discarded so that more 201 00:15:57,670 --> 00:16:03,19 loyal in line with the republican party's views and so forth people could 202 00:16:03,19 --> 00:16:04,690 be appointed to key positions 203 00:16:04,690 --> 00:16:08,290 in in Iraq 204 00:16:08,290 --> 00:16:11,410 at this hour American and coalition forces 205 00:16:11,410 --> 00:16:15,240 are in the early stages a military operations to disarm Iraq 206 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,329 reads people defend the world 207 00:16:18,329 --> 00:16:43,359 great danger 208 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,000 generates because thing I've always felt a really important job and I didn't feel 209 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:47,759 like I B 210 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:52,000 content with myself going to life knowing that other people had fought 211 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,259 for my freedom John armitt on 212 00:16:55,259 --> 00:16:58,630 to are support my country and now 213 00:16:58,630 --> 00:17:02,620 us does a good time to the num 214 00:17:02,620 --> 00:17:07,99 it was I A and on our 215 00:17:07,99 --> 00:17:11,208 to go there and help my federal soldiers 216 00:17:11,209 --> 00:17:15,549 to do but they tailed off 217 00:17:15,549 --> 00:17:19,569 to go into their maybe takeout are 218 00:17:19,569 --> 00:17:22,740 dictator out and then power 219 00:17:22,740 --> 00:17:29,679 to reestablish to democracy I just 220 00:17:29,679 --> 00:17:32,770 was waiting for the water to happen because it was the 221 00:17:32,770 --> 00:17:36,240 on the eye of Hall I them I had 222 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,299 to look for and and when it happened I was 223 00:17:40,299 --> 00:17:43,320 the excited and 224 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,510 that things will roll le début and talents that better 225 00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:58,929 circumstances I killed 226 00:17:58,929 --> 00:18:02,90 you're not stuck on another cell 227 00:18:02,90 --> 00:18:06,770 other 11 it's just too confusing 228 00:18:06,770 --> 00:18:10,639 loud noisy scary hopeful place 229 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,730 all kinda wrapped up together I would see kids with 230 00:18:13,730 --> 00:18:18,760 ski caps on it said FBI across it and the beginning with a big thumbs up and I 231 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:19,530 would have other 232 00:18:19,530 --> 00:18:24,710 young men who for probably 15 in civilian clothes can be very hard stares 233 00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:25,590 and 234 00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:29,480 you know kind of sizing me up and always come looking at the license plate of the 235 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:29,940 car 236 00:18:29,940 --> 00:18:34,80 the iraqis were in waiting to see what this was going to bring them 237 00:18:34,80 --> 00:18:37,820 the presence in the Americans had not been rejected 238 00:18:37,820 --> 00:18:41,310 yet by the iraqi 0 239 00:18:41,310 --> 00:18:44,929 no top I've seen people well coming be 240 00:18:44,930 --> 00:18:49,120 coalition talks because we thought everything is planned 241 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:53,428 everything is prepared 242 00:18:53,429 --> 00:18:56,960 how during world war 2 243 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,160 the United States started planning the occupation of germany 244 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,120 two years in advance but the bush administration didn't create the 245 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:06,840 organization that would manage the occupation of Iraq 246 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,740 until 60 days before the invasion or 247 00:19:10,740 --> 00:19:14,890 the organization for reconstruction and humanitarian assistance 248 00:19:14,890 --> 00:19:19,770 reported directly to Defense Secretary Rumsfeld I got a call 249 00:19:19,770 --> 00:19:23,580 from the office security firms in late January 250 00:19:23,580 --> 00:19:27,500 and they were life lead handle humanitarian affairs reconstruction 251 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:31,549 retired army general J garner was appointed to run or a 252 00:19:31,549 --> 00:19:36,570 in the first Gulf War he had commanded 22,000 soldiers responsible for 253 00:19:36,570 --> 00:19:39,129 humanitarian operations in the Kurdish zone 254 00:19:39,130 --> 00:19:43,200 northern Iraq this time he would be running the entire country 255 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:48,410 to think we were prepared to run iraq I think we're ever prepared to me 256 00:19:48,410 --> 00:19:53,230 it you know to for %uh task that made to publish years prepare 257 00:19:53,230 --> 00:19:56,429 court in a Butthead years I got a phone call on my cell phone 258 00:19:56,429 --> 00:20:01,30 from someone at the State Department telling me that retirement age 259 00:20:01,30 --> 00:20:04,40 was looking for me and wanted me back in washington 260 00:20:04,40 --> 00:20:08,340 right now ambassador Barbara Bodine was placed in charge 261 00:20:08,340 --> 00:20:13,000 baghdad only three weeks before the war she was a career foreign service officer 262 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,340 who had served in Yemen 263 00:20:14,340 --> 00:20:18,590 iraq and had been a hostage in kuwait for five months after Saddam's invasion 264 00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:19,699 in nineteen ninety 265 00:20:19,700 --> 00:20:22,990 she was one of the few State Department mideast experts 266 00:20:22,990 --> 00:20:27,20 that the pentagon allowed into iraq she was one of you we could get it and I 267 00:20:27,20 --> 00:20:27,710 thought they 268 00:20:27,710 --> 00:20:30,710 initially made a mistake they thought they had a woman should be an easy mark 269 00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:31,460 barber 270 00:20:31,460 --> 00:20:36,340 wit of its members the servers by 2003 Army Colonel Paul Hughes had worked in 271 00:20:36,340 --> 00:20:40,90 the pentagon for six years doing planning and strategy work for senior 272 00:20:40,90 --> 00:20:41,530 Defense Department officials 273 00:20:41,530 --> 00:20:46,809 I wonder being assigned to the officer reconstruction and humanitarian 274 00:20:46,809 --> 00:20:47,940 assistance 275 00:20:47,940 --> 00:20:53,20 under Jay garner know I was the director strategic policy for him 276 00:20:53,20 --> 00:20:57,320 and 277 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,720 I'll we were given a suite of offices that 278 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,929 had been unoccupied for a couple of years had no computers in it you have 279 00:21:05,929 --> 00:21:08,600 people showing up daily asking where do I said 280 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:13,259 they had no staff I had no personal I had I have nothing 281 00:21:13,259 --> 00:21:16,980 from either a senior deputy down to our a secretary 282 00:21:16,980 --> 00:21:20,70 there is only one meeting at the National Defense University and it was 283 00:21:20,70 --> 00:21:20,720 the 284 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,389 I think the consensus opinion have the people who went to that meeting 285 00:21:24,389 --> 00:21:27,758 with whom I spoke afterwards arm 286 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:33,340 that hey this is crazy that was our first meeting 287 00:21:33,340 --> 00:21:36,350 and we're not given a whole lot of confidence by the first meeting because 288 00:21:36,350 --> 00:21:37,480 essentially 289 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,649 we didn't do anything except meet each other it was completely 290 00:21:41,649 --> 00:21:46,590 unstructured am there were no plans and they're truly were 291 00:21:46,590 --> 00:21:49,830 norplant on the 16th of March or harm 292 00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:54,499 flew out to Kuwait City we had 167 people that flew with us 293 00:21:54,499 --> 00:21:58,399 167 people that were to essentially become the government 294 00:21:58,399 --> 00:22:04,969 up a country of $25 million home 295 00:22:04,970 --> 00:22:08,500 after the hall baghdad we had no idea what was going to happen 296 00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:11,750 and they're certainly didn't seem to be much a plan what we're 297 00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:14,889 generally being told is that we'd be getting back on the ship's 298 00:22:14,889 --> 00:22:18,908 you know within a month or two I love a century conquering iraq 299 00:22:18,909 --> 00:22:24,320 in 300 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,70 in 301 00:22:27,70 --> 00:22:31,320 while we were in kuwait wheeler is glued to the television sentences everyone 302 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:31,720 else 303 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,889 malas the realization that there was 304 00:22:35,889 --> 00:22:38,899 absolute lawlessness and chaos going on 305 00:22:38,899 --> 00:22:43,799 iraq the Americans were doing it 306 00:22:43,799 --> 00:22:47,590 they they would sit at certain intersections but 307 00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:50,889 they wouldn't actually get out the on these are the tanks and 308 00:22:50,889 --> 00:22:55,879 and really do much time passed 309 00:22:55,879 --> 00:22:59,799 and we didn't see any progress there on the progress we found as the 310 00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:00,830 uncontrolled 311 00:23:00,830 --> 00:23:05,939 me down no tears had to note on the governmental buildings and even 312 00:23:05,940 --> 00:23:09,509 private owned company deluding was partly a factor 313 00:23:09,509 --> 00:23:13,129 I'll the troop levels and the 314 00:23:13,129 --> 00:23:17,230 sense that Rumsfeld communicated to his commanders and his commanders 315 00:23:17,230 --> 00:23:19,100 communicated down the chain 316 00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:23,000 to the platoon in company level 317 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,240 that we were not their to run iraq 318 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,460 we were there to get rid of the regime and get out we're not under martial law 319 00:23:31,460 --> 00:23:35,629 in his order general McKiernan was not told 320 00:23:35,629 --> 00:23:40,490 to establish martial law you know not once was martial law declared 321 00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:43,929 I'll just I'll tell you honestly where the transition period 322 00:23:43,929 --> 00:23:47,769 I mean there's an iraqi civil law but there's no 323 00:23:47,769 --> 00:23:51,750 I just heard that we just opened up to the first two courts 324 00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:55,139 today so I i mean when your your started nothin 325 00:23:55,139 --> 00:23:59,418 head martial law been declared which would have been authorized under the 326 00:23:59,419 --> 00:24:00,960 Fourth Geneva Convention 327 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,289 maybe we would have had a bit more security 328 00:24:04,289 --> 00:24:07,750 were pilloried I mean we can't we get early start worrying if we 329 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:11,690 if we do that was our sin task the greatest mystery 330 00:24:11,690 --> 00:24:16,220 post-war Iraq involves that month or so after the fall of Baghdad 331 00:24:16,220 --> 00:24:20,289 why the US didn't do anything to control the looting because no way 332 00:24:20,289 --> 00:24:24,220 everything that's been a problem since then started at first month 333 00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:27,240 people at the National Security Council chicken power 334 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,290 shelf and others 335 00:24:29,290 --> 00:24:31,990 CIA director did express concern about the looting 336 00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:36,520 did you express any concern president bush I was at a meeting where was she 337 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:37,620 expressed by my boss 338 00:24:37,620 --> 00:24:40,679 tell me what mister Paul said that mean well you know it's not the way 339 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,290 we generally work hard my eyes to the president can be kept away private to 340 00:24:44,290 --> 00:24:46,280 the present the word came from 341 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,310 Washington that we're not getting involved in that we're not we're not 342 00:24:49,310 --> 00:24:50,919 gonna stop polluting were not 343 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,550 doing police work that's not what we're here for and I think 344 00:24:55,550 --> 00:24:59,600 so there were explicit instructions from Washington 345 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:09,139 to not interfere with the living yes 346 00:25:09,139 --> 00:25:12,620 hospitals government offices universities 347 00:25:12,620 --> 00:25:17,629 ministries one CPA estimate had been possible leading 348 00:25:17,629 --> 00:25:22,59 at twelve billion dollars that was the revenue 349 00:25:22,59 --> 00:25:26,450 for iraq Ian 2003-2004 350 00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:29,509 I picked up a newspaper today and I couldn't believe 351 00:25:29,509 --> 00:25:34,649 I read a headline they talked about chaos 352 00:25:34,649 --> 00:25:40,370 violence armrest any just was Henny Penny the sky is falling 353 00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:44,739 just imagine the room this week that were sitting in all that you have 354 00:25:44,740 --> 00:25:48,549 is concrete walls everything is gone we talking people coming in 355 00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:51,879 with industrial cranes in walking off with parter 356 00:25:51,879 --> 00:25:55,668 a power plant think what's happened in our cities 357 00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:58,909 when we had riots and prop and looting 358 00:25:58,909 --> 00:26:04,820 stuff happens this was not just people stealing stuff from grocery stores in 359 00:26:04,820 --> 00:26:05,749 this was people 360 00:26:05,749 --> 00:26:08,990 chip in concrete walls into 361 00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:12,350 little pieces so they could take the rebar the image is your thing on 362 00:26:12,350 --> 00:26:13,29 television 363 00:26:13,29 --> 00:26:17,460 you're seeing over and over n over in it the same picture 364 00:26:17,460 --> 00:26:21,610 up some person walking out of some building with the bait I think that was 365 00:26:21,610 --> 00:26:23,389 probably the day that we lost 366 00:26:23,389 --> 00:26:27,629 iraqis you think my goodness with that many believe 367 00:26:27,629 --> 00:26:33,850 yeah it is it possible that there were that many bases in the whole country 368 00:26:33,850 --> 00:26:37,9 that's when it became very clear that 369 00:26:37,9 --> 00:26:41,59 this liberation really didn't have anything to do with the average iraqi 370 00:26:41,59 --> 00:26:44,249 there was a belief that the Americans actually incurred still looking or one 371 00:26:44,249 --> 00:26:44,919 at that 372 00:26:44,919 --> 00:26:49,309 the destruction of our country occur they let this happen 373 00:26:49,309 --> 00:26:54,29 so whether you're Sunni or Shia you outraged about the looting we 374 00:26:54,29 --> 00:26:59,940 had an a list are twenty sites that we thought needed to be protected 375 00:26:59,940 --> 00:27:03,919 I'm historical cultural artistic 376 00:27:03,919 --> 00:27:07,360 religious and we had provided that 377 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:12,310 and and believe me no difference whatsoever 378 00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:22,659 the 379 00:27:22,660 --> 00:27:24,840 the Iraq National Museum in Baghdad 380 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,659 number one on nora's list contains some of the world's most important artifacts 381 00:27:29,660 --> 00:27:33,530 early human civilization the museum was never protected 382 00:27:33,530 --> 00:27:37,570 gonna go to bed I don't want them so that that after them 383 00:27:37,570 --> 00:27:42,210 well other job creation tho Iraq's National Library 384 00:27:42,210 --> 00:27:46,30 and National Archives containing thousands have ancient manuscripts 385 00:27:46,30 --> 00:27:49,190 were burned down all what our pretend 386 00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:52,310 all wat wherever 10 are 387 00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:56,350 kept this library now we have no 388 00:27:56,350 --> 00:28:00,10 national heritage three days ago 389 00:28:00,10 --> 00:28:05,30 me bunny child 390 00:28:05,30 --> 00:28:09,70 want to the head the Marines and Palestine Hotel 391 00:28:09,70 --> 00:28:12,418 we waited there for about four hours 392 00:28:12,419 --> 00:28:16,520 we met kernel that do promise 393 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,200 said he will send of cars to protect 394 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,529 what's left on the museum 395 00:28:23,529 --> 00:28:25,340 three days ago till now 396 00:28:25,340 --> 00:28:29,178 nobody came to try don't lay off the fact that 397 00:28:29,179 --> 00:28:32,570 unfortunate activity 398 00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:35,649 on on a defect in a war plan 399 00:28:35,649 --> 00:28:39,809 it strikes me as a stretch weird specifically by 400 00:28:39,809 --> 00:28:44,39 scholars and others about the danger to the you 401 00:28:44,39 --> 00:28:48,29 what you urge to provide a greater level protection and security in the initial 402 00:28:48,29 --> 00:28:48,789 phase Israel 403 00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:53,210 not to my knowledge no one can claim that they were caught by surprise by the 404 00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:53,630 leading 405 00:28:53,630 --> 00:29:12,979 I just don't think they wanted to know they didn't want to hear it 406 00:29:12,979 --> 00:29:17,139 in the months leading up to the invasion a debate over troop levels required in 407 00:29:17,139 --> 00:29:20,379 Iraq had been privately brewing between the military leadership 408 00:29:20,379 --> 00:29:23,719 and Donald Rumsfeld Rumsfeld and his deputy 409 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,639 Paul Wolfowitz believed that a foursome under 100,000 troops would be sufficient 410 00:29:28,639 --> 00:29:33,189 for the invasion and occupation of Iraq a month before the invasion 411 00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:37,399 the fight over troop levels became public as the Chief of Staff of the army 412 00:29:37,399 --> 00:29:41,109 Eric Shinseki testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee 413 00:29:41,109 --> 00:29:44,649 ignoring pressure from rumsfeld in with words generation sexyy 414 00:29:44,649 --> 00:29:49,969 could you give us some ideas to the magnitude of the Army's force 415 00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:51,39 requirement 416 00:29:51,39 --> 00:29:54,509 for an occupation of Iraq something on the order 417 00:29:54,509 --> 00:29:57,700 several hundred thousand soldiers are are 418 00:29:57,700 --> 00:30:01,529 probably figure that 419 00:30:01,529 --> 00:30:05,399 would be a required home 420 00:30:05,399 --> 00:30:09,590 what is I think reasonably certain areas the idea that it would take several 421 00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:11,259 hundred thousand US forces 422 00:30:11,259 --> 00:30:15,989 I think is far from the mark it's hard to conceive that it would take more 423 00:30:15,989 --> 00:30:19,409 forces to provide stability in post-saddam Iraq 424 00:30:19,409 --> 00:30:23,369 that it would take to conduct the war itself in to secure the surrender saddam 425 00:30:23,369 --> 00:30:27,149 security forces in his army hard to imagine 426 00:30:27,149 --> 00:30:30,189 hard to imagine 427 00:30:30,190 --> 00:30:33,39 anyone who had any experience 428 00:30:33,39 --> 00:30:37,259 in the interventions in the nineties new that the opposite was true 429 00:30:37,259 --> 00:30:40,559 you need X number them soldiers 430 00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:43,629 her thousand citizens simply 431 00:30:43,629 --> 00:30:47,389 to provide up a modicum of security 432 00:30:47,389 --> 00:30:55,389 but Paul Wolfowitz couldn't imagine we're talking about 433 00:30:55,389 --> 00:30:58,799 most are still a tease control over a 434 00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:02,600 piece of geography that fairly significant with 435 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:08,90 the kinds of ethnic tensions that could lead to 436 00:31:08,90 --> 00:31:13,820 other problems and so takes a significant ground force presence 437 00:31:13,820 --> 00:31:17,779 did Josh in Turkey get it right he was asked for his best military pay 438 00:31:17,779 --> 00:31:20,850 and his experience exceeds mine he 439 00:31:20,850 --> 00:31:24,480 commanded our forces in bosnia he did it for your plus 440 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,369 he knows what he's talking about check tree pollen 441 00:31:28,369 --> 00:31:31,470 to the same stand myself 442 00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:36,90 we argued from one more troops and we made some difference but ultimately 443 00:31:36,90 --> 00:31:44,230 Denzin we made enough for the difference personally I feel the word be going 444 00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:45,559 differently if you had 445 00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:49,830 leadership that really understood 446 00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:54,359 number one what its like to be on the ground had actually served in the armed 447 00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:54,980 forces 448 00:31:54,980 --> 00:31:58,480 and number two really had a good 449 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,869 com managerial grasp love making this 450 00:32:01,869 --> 00:32:04,899 this thing work the senior administration officials who overruled 451 00:32:04,899 --> 00:32:06,748 the military and state Department 452 00:32:06,749 --> 00:32:10,600 had no experience with post-war reconstruction efforts and little or no 453 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:11,879 military experience 454 00:32:11,879 --> 00:32:15,899 Cheney had avoided military service during vietnam through 5 draft 455 00:32:15,899 --> 00:32:16,580 deferments 456 00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:19,590 Rumsfeld was a Navy pilot in the nineteen fifties 457 00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:22,928 but it never seen combat wolfowitz and rice 458 00:32:22,929 --> 00:32:24,889 had never served in the military 459 00:32:24,889 --> 00:32:29,80 bush had avoided the vietnam draft by joining the Texas Air National Guard 460 00:32:29,80 --> 00:32:32,149 he also had no foreign policy experience prior 461 00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:35,748 to becoming president we're looking at it I say we 462 00:32:35,749 --> 00:32:39,590 those overseas who had military experience and we would talk about this 463 00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:44,570 often this doesn't look good in mid April 2003 464 00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:48,729 with looting still underway rumsfeld cancel deployment the 1st Cavalry 465 00:32:48,729 --> 00:32:49,619 Division 466 00:32:49,619 --> 00:32:53,228 before some 16,000 soldiers it shocked us 467 00:32:53,229 --> 00:32:57,470 you know how can you turn off that division if we'd head that division 468 00:32:57,470 --> 00:33:01,129 following us into a rock we would destabilize 469 00:33:01,129 --> 00:33:05,418 a lot more iraq just to our present on april nineteenth 470 00:33:05,419 --> 00:33:09,809 or a finally entered iraq to begin post-war operations 471 00:33:09,809 --> 00:33:13,440 know that 20 ministry would bring back sixteen 472 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,460 those buildings were destroyed as a prop as a functionally we were starting from 473 00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:17,960 zero 474 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,889 unit there are no desks and there are no chairs in running typewriters left 475 00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:25,19 where do we go in me iraqis to 476 00:33:25,19 --> 00:33:28,269 start working there was no structure left am 477 00:33:28,269 --> 00:33:31,599 physical structure bureaucratic structure had put people out on the 478 00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:34,779 street walking around asking do you know him as an interview with People measure 479 00:33:34,779 --> 00:33:36,539 helping other people were in the ministry 480 00:33:36,539 --> 00:33:40,929 to you know the P people in Minister of Education within the group itself 481 00:33:40,929 --> 00:33:45,580 we had I think probably five 482 00:33:45,580 --> 00:33:49,320 who spoke any amount to a very big we had 483 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,489 no phoneless we had two phones for a while selling is having a homeless was 484 00:33:53,489 --> 00:33:54,759 not really that important 485 00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:58,590 we had no information we had no place to go we didn't know who to contact 486 00:33:58,590 --> 00:34:03,668 I am not the best way to not the best way to start an occupation 487 00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:07,99 and what followed was this pervasive 488 00:34:07,99 --> 00:34:11,679 senselessness to direct her covered for and guys with guns took over 489 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:17,99 and they were the iraqi got to go 490 00:34:17,99 --> 00:34:18,429 on 491 00:34:18,429 --> 00:34:21,970 it 492 00:34:21,969 --> 00:34:23,949 the firefighter got caught up in 493 00:34:23,949 --> 00:34:28,759 were not fire fights were americans were being attacked it was a rocking on iraqi 494 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,370 firefights he just be driving down stream suddenly 495 00:34:31,370 --> 00:34:34,759 there's a few slaughter fire just opens up on you 496 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,950 and you're just in the middle up these guys shooting channel 497 00:34:37,949 --> 00:34:42,879 the streets were chaotic people could kill and get away with that there was no 498 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,410 working police force 499 00:34:44,409 --> 00:34:47,889 just trying to do. invasion saddam released about a hundred thousand 500 00:34:47,889 --> 00:34:53,319 prisoners common criminals from the jails 501 00:34:53,319 --> 00:34:56,639 in February love 502 00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:00,549 2003 going to petition to come in brief 503 00:35:00,549 --> 00:35:03,849 advisory panel that advises Secretary Rumsfeld on 504 00:35:03,849 --> 00:35:07,239 on defense policy matters what I told them was that 505 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,420 based on our experiences in previous peace operations in on what had happened 506 00:35:11,420 --> 00:35:12,89 in Iraq 507 00:35:12,89 --> 00:35:15,380 historically who is very likely that if the US 508 00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:18,799 intervened and captured Baghdad that we were likely to face 509 00:35:18,799 --> 00:35:23,509 massive civil disturbance I suggested that we needed about 2500 Constabulary 510 00:35:23,509 --> 00:35:24,99 forces 511 00:35:24,99 --> 00:35:27,249 about 4,000 civil police street cops 512 00:35:27,249 --> 00:35:30,999 and then teens and judicial advisors and corrections officers 513 00:35:30,999 --> 00:35:35,58 in the NBA agreed that while this was a good idea 514 00:35:35,59 --> 00:35:38,299 there wasn't enough time but maybe for the next war 515 00:35:38,299 --> 00:35:41,549 prior to the war the but I didn't work received 516 00:35:41,549 --> 00:35:45,269 one murder case a month within the month they were getting about 25 517 00:35:45,269 --> 00:35:48,738 the they were seen grapes open for the first time rapes and murders 518 00:35:48,739 --> 00:35:52,789 directors have been kidnapped so you're acumen disappeared in the streets stop 519 00:35:52,789 --> 00:35:53,799 going to school 520 00:35:53,799 --> 00:35:57,920 stop driving the Americans were not acting as the police 521 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,89 needed no the street a bag that they didn't speak the language they didn't 522 00:36:01,89 --> 00:36:02,219 have interpreters 523 00:36:02,219 --> 00:36:06,609 in sufficient numbers million have intelligence about what was going on 524 00:36:06,609 --> 00:36:10,569 so it was a free-for-all and you just fell 525 00:36:10,569 --> 00:36:16,9 is a is avoid here 526 00:36:16,10 --> 00:36:22,660 here 527 00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:25,770 very quickly the mosque came in a field in that the vacuum 528 00:36:25,770 --> 00:36:29,460 that the Americans created by getting rid of Saddam leaving nothing as place 529 00:36:29,460 --> 00:36:31,670 and she neighborhood say very quickly 530 00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:34,980 establish control in particular the clerks associated with move to the 531 00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:35,400 center 532 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,850 inkatha outsider was the son of a famous Shiite cleric 533 00:36:38,850 --> 00:36:42,750 and started a bid for power based on his father's network of masks 534 00:36:42,750 --> 00:36:47,750 and charities Ohare the No 535 00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:53,710 there 536 00:36:53,710 --> 00:36:57,370 all at 537 00:36:57,370 --> 00:36:58,549 here 538 00:36:58,550 --> 00:37:01,230 there 539 00:37:01,230 --> 00:37:04,130 only a few days after american troops entered baghdad 540 00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:09,20 he assassinated a pro-american Shiite leader then he began creating a heavily 541 00:37:09,20 --> 00:37:09,940 armed militia 542 00:37:09,940 --> 00:37:13,690 the Mahdi Army which took over Baghdad Shiite ghetto 543 00:37:13,690 --> 00:37:17,990 and much of southern iraq if you tended to the issues of policing 544 00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:21,540 if there hadn't been the looting then you would have had people turning to 545 00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:23,670 sectarian militias as their sources 546 00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:29,190 neighborhood security or how worked on recalling the Iraqi military to deal 547 00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:30,619 with the security vacuum 548 00:37:30,619 --> 00:37:34,970 the army Central Command CENTCOM supported this policy 549 00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:38,560 what's up comedy they had factored into their planning to bring it back to the 550 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,328 Iraqi army use Iraqi army to seal the borders to 551 00:37:41,329 --> 00:37:45,589 provide static security things and also help in the reconstruction /url nation 552 00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:50,578 from cellco 553 00:37:50,579 --> 00:37:55,359 he said hey Jade Korea like everything's gonna you did a great job you need team 554 00:37:55,359 --> 00:37:58,799 lectern and a day and all them by the way the president is 555 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:05,310 morning jerry brimmer as the presidential employer 556 00:38:05,310 --> 00:38:09,850 bremen was a former Foreign Service Officer like most official sent to Iraq 557 00:38:09,850 --> 00:38:13,730 brimmer did not speak Arabic had no previous experience with the mideast 558 00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:17,230 or post-war reconstruction and had never served in the military 559 00:38:17,230 --> 00:38:21,240 after grammer's arrival more how would be phased out 560 00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:25,259 and the Coalition Provisional Authority CPA would take its place 561 00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:28,580 we intend to have a very I 562 00:38:28,580 --> 00:38:31,700 affected efficient and well-organized 563 00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:36,290 and Oberon on general garner an iron 564 00:38:36,290 --> 00:38:40,210 pledge to working very closely together he's done an outstanding job we set up a 565 00:38:40,210 --> 00:38:43,980 syriza briefers form he's been a day going throughout her body was not and he 566 00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:44,650 took charge 567 00:38:44,650 --> 00:38:52,790 I came home like third or fourth at the gym 568 00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:56,109 between May 1st in his departure for Iraq on May 10th 569 00:38:56,109 --> 00:38:59,930 bremmer worked at the pentagon and met frequently with rumsfeld 570 00:38:59,930 --> 00:39:03,319 will forward and undersecretary dogfight I'm 571 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,609 romer also worked closely with walter slocum a former undersecretary of 572 00:39:07,609 --> 00:39:08,279 defense 573 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,690 Rumsfeld had appointed to be in charge of post-war policy 574 00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:15,410 for iraq's military they contacted me mid-march 575 00:39:15,410 --> 00:39:19,250 2003 did cross your mind to think you know isn't it kinda 576 00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:23,369 wait for them to be thinking about this yes 577 00:39:23,369 --> 00:39:28,480 Digitel in there 578 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:33,530 now like bremmer slocum had never served in the military 579 00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:37,470 had never been to Iraq had no post-war reconstruction experience 580 00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:40,520 and spoke no Arabic in Bremer 581 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,540 first 10 days at work while still in Washington DC 582 00:39:43,540 --> 00:39:47,910 he made three fateful policy decisions his first decision 583 00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:51,000 was to stop the formation of an interim Iraqi government 584 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,10 even though OJ goner have been working to establish one Jay Carney Shirley 585 00:39:55,10 --> 00:40:00,109 supportable to get some governing body ever Rockies but this was said 586 00:40:00,109 --> 00:40:04,130 done away with on the way to baghdad and I didn't think I'm gonna do about it 587 00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:05,630 beforehand in order to die 588 00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:10,970 we had expected I think I can say we have been promised 589 00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:14,140 that there would be a sovereign government 590 00:40:14,140 --> 00:40:17,720 virtually I'm in charge 591 00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:22,220 and everyone will do what I say and that's it 592 00:40:22,220 --> 00:40:25,279 understand and that's kinda the way 593 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,70 L paul bremer came across much much much 594 00:40:29,70 --> 00:40:33,10 to hardcore into mission-driven 595 00:40:33,10 --> 00:40:36,359 to see that is exclusion love the iraqis 596 00:40:36,359 --> 00:40:40,810 early on from major participation in the decision-making process was a grievous 597 00:40:40,810 --> 00:40:46,640 error 598 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,390 may 2003 we've got the the legal occupation of Iraq 599 00:40:51,390 --> 00:40:55,330 I set up a time believe now but that was mister 600 00:40:55,330 --> 00:40:59,400 on the american basically to leave Iraq completely 601 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,120 not iraqi people threw a rock 602 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,549 the reaction to his next two decisions would be dramatically worse 603 00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:11,540 d better education I am today establishing 604 00:41:11,540 --> 00:41:14,670 an iraqi the bath occasion Council 605 00:41:14,670 --> 00:41:18,780 to ensure that the structure and influence at the bath party 606 00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:23,120 is eliminated for good bremmer second decision his first formal order as head 607 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:23,990 of the CPA 608 00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:27,529 purged an estimated 50,000 members of the bath party 609 00:41:27,530 --> 00:41:31,910 which saddam had used to rule the rock for most primers order meant 610 00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:36,200 permanent unemployment the policy also crippled iraq's government 611 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,720 educational system and economy because i purge senior government officials who 612 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:43,939 would join the party simply to survive under Saddam's regime 613 00:41:43,940 --> 00:41:47,900 I was walking down the hall and master Robin racial can be a city seen this 614 00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:49,550 lesser what is around and she says 615 00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:53,830 the best case russia now so I read it real quick and i said i this 616 00:41:53,830 --> 00:41:57,220 don't think we can do this she said well I think you're good cock torture 617 00:41:57,220 --> 00:42:00,359 to let's say a man tasered about let miss 618 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,480 go through this and the skin on the phone from selling secrets of a little 619 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:04,620 bit he said not all 620 00:42:04,620 --> 00:42:08,240 I'll have that flexibility opinion mortars mnemonics so that and that's 621 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:10,49 good he may have command 622 00:42:10,50 --> 00:42:13,160 and spoken to me at great length about I just don't remember 623 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,210 honestly don't remember you remember these guys coming in and saying she 624 00:42:16,210 --> 00:42:18,190 doesn't even have 1000 people and 625 00:42:18,190 --> 00:42:22,720 my god what are you doing I just a young you I was working 20 hours a day in that 626 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,160 period as well this wasn't the only thing on my 627 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,230 list of things to do the first five days I was there 628 00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:31,260 bremmer appointed Ahmed Chalabi to head the debate 629 00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:35,830 application Council Chalabi use the position to eliminate political rivals 630 00:42:35,830 --> 00:42:40,840 the bath occasion was so deep that I we were able to get the government run in 631 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,590 as efficiently as we should processes we should have and you had a lotta 632 00:42:44,590 --> 00:42:45,700 disenfranchised 633 00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:48,399 method 634 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,350 the were people who were kicked out of their jobs 635 00:42:52,350 --> 00:42:55,520 even tho the were just 636 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,480 professionals engineers direct or 637 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,110 the technocrat the intelligencia then 638 00:43:03,110 --> 00:43:07,390 elementary school librarian being conquered and then losing your job in 639 00:43:07,390 --> 00:43:11,250 not have the means to support yourself your family was incredibly humiliating 640 00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:16,910 experience 641 00:43:16,910 --> 00:43:22,970 it was primers third decision however that was the most explosive 642 00:43:22,970 --> 00:43:26,410 disbanding the Iraqi military and intelligence services 643 00:43:26,410 --> 00:43:30,799 the most important institutions in Iraq CPA order number two 644 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,10 disbanded the Iraqi army Republican Guard special Republican Guard 645 00:43:35,10 --> 00:43:38,510 and secret police overnight bremmer rendered unemployed 646 00:43:38,510 --> 00:43:41,540 and thereby infuriated half a million armed men 647 00:43:41,540 --> 00:43:45,300 equivalent to firing over five million people in the United States 648 00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:48,869 and so these men rather than helping to prevent an insurgency 649 00:43:48,869 --> 00:43:55,420 instead created one 650 00:43:55,420 --> 00:43:58,320 on 651 00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,900 I can't believe they did that 652 00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:03,580 hundreds of thousands of families dependent 653 00:44:03,580 --> 00:44:06,860 on the army they didn't have an Intel they didn't have 654 00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:11,410 providers we by no 655 00:44:11,410 --> 00:44:15,9 no money rely on God children 656 00:44:15,10 --> 00:44:18,20 have their war women wide stepsisters 657 00:44:18,20 --> 00:44:21,20 fathers and stop 658 00:44:21,20 --> 00:44:25,200 eating because they didn't have enough money officially think it's 27 percent 659 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:25,919 unemployment 660 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,490 officially its its almost certainly much higher 661 00:44:29,490 --> 00:44:32,910 I would guessing where from forty to fifty percent 662 00:44:32,910 --> 00:44:36,330 is it any wonder that many of these people who were militant who 663 00:44:36,330 --> 00:44:39,700 almost all had at least some military training since you had to serve in the 664 00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:40,470 army in iraq 665 00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:44,560 or they were active military would turn to 666 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,40 joining the insurgency just as a means to 667 00:44:49,40 --> 00:44:52,100 feed their family and as a means of regaining some %uh that pride 668 00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:55,480 in deciding to disband the Iraqi military 669 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,540 bremer was on doing a policy supported by both the US military 670 00:44:59,540 --> 00:45:03,29 and by aura poll Hughes have a team 671 00:45:03,30 --> 00:45:06,960 that was seeking up a wreck your mean he's beginning to find a lotto 672 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,430 and he had found a lot of them and we had made over two hours to bring them 673 00:45:10,430 --> 00:45:10,799 back 674 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,910 the soldiers when they registered had to sign or fill out a questionnaire 675 00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:20,170 about who the war what unit they were with what they did what their skills or 676 00:45:20,170 --> 00:45:22,340 what military equipment they had at home 677 00:45:22,340 --> 00:45:25,800 want just a I'll a lot 678 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,300 information that would have been useful to us and I was collecting all of that 679 00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:34,720 but the DOD advisory team in charge of dealing with the iraqi military 680 00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:38,359 headed by walter slocum had remained in Washington DC 681 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,920 had never visited Iraq I said I don't see any reason to go out there I can get 682 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,770 ready better here in washington 683 00:45:44,770 --> 00:45:50,259 and I urge them time and again in my conversations with them from baghdad 684 00:45:50,260 --> 00:45:53,570 that they needed to get over there because there were people waiting 685 00:45:53,570 --> 00:45:58,120 on them you know want me and in particular to show up so he could make 686 00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,89 decisions 687 00:45:59,90 --> 00:46:02,600 and get the ball rolling in his absence 688 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,170 I was left with the duty up 689 00:46:05,170 --> 00:46:09,140 having to deal with the Iraqi army just to keep contact with them 690 00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:12,750 Iraqi army was essentially standing there waiting 691 00:46:12,750 --> 00:46:17,329 they were waiting for an overture there waiting for what they thought would 692 00:46:17,329 --> 00:46:17,880 happen 693 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,230 that someone would come to them and say 694 00:46:21,230 --> 00:46:24,230 this is the point and your integral 695 00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:29,69 to that point in we need you no one ever did 696 00:46:29,69 --> 00:46:32,640 when the war was over on the major maneuver fighting was over 697 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,540 who were simply Knoll units still in existence 698 00:46:36,540 --> 00:46:40,109 everybody had gone home generals and commanders were coming back with entire 699 00:46:40,109 --> 00:46:41,980 division saying here are my people 700 00:46:41,980 --> 00:46:45,440 or the Iraqi officers towards the end up 701 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,780 on second or third meeting when baghdad was going 702 00:46:49,780 --> 00:46:53,79 yeah it was in chaos said 703 00:46:53,79 --> 00:46:57,829 call Paul I can have ten thousand military policeman for you next week you 704 00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:58,660 just tell me 705 00:46:58,660 --> 00:47:03,460 I took that back to Bernie Kerik staff and nothing 706 00:47:03,460 --> 00:47:09,660 was done with it I'll 707 00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:14,000 I'll five days after bremmer issued his order 708 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,000 we were farewell in J garner because he was going to leave Iraq 709 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,70 for good the next day we had to home fees 710 00:47:22,70 --> 00:47:25,700 on the highway hang out from the Green Zone 711 00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:29,160 and they were ambushed in two soldiers were killed 712 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,730 and that was when in my mind the insurgency began 713 00:47:33,730 --> 00:47:41,200 I'm 714 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,730 my colleagues and I could sit on the Belkin here on the roof for the 715 00:47:44,730 --> 00:47:46,240 republican power supply 716 00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:49,259 we could watch tracers throughout baghdad 717 00:47:49,260 --> 00:47:52,650 we could watch the players different colours that went up 718 00:47:52,650 --> 00:47:56,369 working where american convoys have certain compositions 719 00:47:56,369 --> 00:48:00,50 or moving and being followed by the insurgents 720 00:48:00,50 --> 00:48:03,000 go means 721 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:10,380 the 722 00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:12,790 these guys all knew where those munitions war 723 00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:16,790 they are new how to get to those weapons and how to use them 724 00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:19,840 and you just sent them away and said they don't exist 725 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,110 common sense tells me you don't do that 726 00:48:23,110 --> 00:48:27,730 when you have a huge ammunition dumps that weren't guarded until 727 00:48:27,730 --> 00:48:31,110 several weeks if not a couple months after major combat 728 00:48:31,110 --> 00:48:34,400 action tended I'm standing there watching these insurgents 729 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,850 pullout rockets and mortars and bombs from these weapons caches that the 730 00:48:38,850 --> 00:48:40,80 iraqis its store 731 00:48:40,80 --> 00:48:45,250 stashed everywhere and you go to the British were to the US where is there 732 00:48:45,250 --> 00:48:46,600 with your little GPS 733 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,980 receiver to hey guys no we found like 734 00:48:49,980 --> 00:48:53,390 eighteen thousand million tons of bombs and they're a bunch 735 00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:58,350 iraqis there with ak-47s take me away probably not the best idea 736 00:48:58,350 --> 00:49:02,529 here's where it's located in a CDO we just don't have enough people to cover 737 00:49:02,530 --> 00:49:02,980 it 738 00:49:02,980 --> 00:49:06,260 just I couldn't believe it was in the right answer 739 00:49:06,260 --> 00:49:10,570 go there and take care of it for your security for the civilian security for 740 00:49:10,570 --> 00:49:16,430 everybody it's just a bad idea 741 00:49:16,430 --> 00:49:25,710 ok 742 00:49:25,710 --> 00:49:30,49 anybody warn you that disbanding the Army in this way 743 00:49:30,49 --> 00:49:33,200 would and then was fueling 744 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,450 major growth the insurgency not a minister 745 00:49:37,450 --> 00:49:41,249 nobody said that you know i'll settle 746 00:49:41,249 --> 00:49:44,629 true but it nobody said nobody still believe it's true 747 00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:48,450 know I'll try and do not believe is true a number the most senior generals 748 00:49:48,450 --> 00:49:51,980 came to the canal hotel to UN headquarters 749 00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:55,670 and they were very explicit a consequence have leading this order 750 00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:56,539 stand 751 00:49:56,539 --> 00:50:00,19 and of marginalizing this incredibly powerful 752 00:50:00,19 --> 00:50:03,328 segment of society would be an insurgency 753 00:50:03,329 --> 00:50:06,779 lebanese on diplomat named Hassan salami 754 00:50:06,779 --> 00:50:10,990 turned to his colleague as the generals walked away after one of the meetings 755 00:50:10,990 --> 00:50:14,740 and said I see bullets in their eyes 756 00:50:14,740 --> 00:50:19,348 I see bullets in their eyes of even more remarkable than the decision to disband 757 00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:20,210 the army 758 00:50:20,210 --> 00:50:23,420 was how that decision was made secretly 759 00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:28,89 over a single week by a few men in Washington DC who had never been to Iraq 760 00:50:28,89 --> 00:50:31,288 they did not consult with the military commanders in Iraq 761 00:50:31,289 --> 00:50:35,200 the Joint Chiefs of Staff or ha the state department 762 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,730 the CIA the National Security Council or even apparently 763 00:50:39,730 --> 00:50:45,109 the President of the United States walter slocum and Paul Hughes worry 764 00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:45,999 interviewed 765 00:50:45,999 --> 00:50:49,629 in order to reconstruct the events leading to the dissolution of the army 766 00:50:49,630 --> 00:50:53,690 these guys called themselves the independent military gathering 767 00:50:53,690 --> 00:50:57,29 independent military gathering at a hundred thousand 768 00:50:57,29 --> 00:51:00,680 on the ninth with me and they already had on defense against this was a 769 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,919 nationwide effort they brought me that 770 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,809 I wanted the printouts I wanted their desks and they gave them to me and I 771 00:51:07,809 --> 00:51:09,700 took them back with me Torre 772 00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:13,489 I said here we go and I and I told Walt and his crew 773 00:51:13,489 --> 00:51:18,339 I've got these things they're here waiting for you use believe that he and 774 00:51:18,339 --> 00:51:18,700 in 775 00:51:18,700 --> 00:51:21,739 hoping to some Iraqi officers 776 00:51:21,739 --> 00:51:25,349 who would have been prepared to reconstitute 777 00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:29,819 unit I'll he really had obtained registration statements from 137 778 00:51:29,819 --> 00:51:31,20 thousand in 779 00:51:31,20 --> 00:51:34,400 he had internet he made he may have read gotten 780 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,40 he met couldn't because nobody could have gotten statement 330,000 781 00:51:38,40 --> 00:51:41,130 anybody for any in the chaos that prevailed 782 00:51:41,130 --> 00:51:45,70 that point they had a career system setup that was running around 783 00:51:45,70 --> 00:51:48,120 the the metropolitan area baghdad 784 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,830 Okemos all above a bus for a and Kirkuk 785 00:51:51,830 --> 00:51:59,600 and I don't understand I I mean I given how difficult it was to do anything 786 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,9 just operational and organizational 787 00:52:03,10 --> 00:52:06,500 nobody on 137 pounds what wasn't there 788 00:52:06,500 --> 00:52:11,470 he never met with these people he had no clue so did you tell slocum 789 00:52:11,470 --> 00:52:16,40 this that this was going on yes he knew this he and his staff knew this 790 00:52:16,40 --> 00:52:20,80 ambassador bremer it you had already made a recommendation 791 00:52:20,80 --> 00:52:23,920 him and he had already made at least a tentative recommendation 792 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:28,10 to Secretary Rumsfeld about the dissolution of the army 793 00:52:28,10 --> 00:52:31,610 I'm punishment your the primary issue 794 00:52:31,610 --> 00:52:35,570 yes on May 9 yes 795 00:52:35,570 --> 00:52:40,10 okay the 9th of May was the last time I had a conversation 796 00:52:40,10 --> 00:52:44,280 with are walt slocum and we talked on the phone before one out 797 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,350 did you ever say to him were thinking you have disbanding the Iraqi army in 798 00:52:48,350 --> 00:52:51,610 stopping your efforts to recall the Iraqi Army's and one other thing should 799 00:52:51,610 --> 00:52:51,880 we 800 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,810 my did just you ever say that to him in those words no 801 00:52:56,810 --> 00:53:00,310 the conversation was I'm coming over 802 00:53:00,310 --> 00:53:03,930 I'm concerned about where I'm going to be living you know am I going to have a 803 00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:05,350 motor pool with me 804 00:53:05,350 --> 00:53:08,730 my own cooks yada yada yada me it was 805 00:53:08,730 --> 00:53:13,710 nothing about the Iraqi military and I was giving him an update on wall 806 00:53:13,710 --> 00:53:18,310 so he didn't say that he had already comes it the tentative conclusion and 807 00:53:18,310 --> 00:53:19,650 recommended to Brammer 808 00:53:19,650 --> 00:53:23,760 to dissolve the arm absolutely not because here he said that I would have 809 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:24,800 been on Jay's 810 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,190 doorstep post haste to you guys 811 00:53:28,190 --> 00:53:31,570 came up with this idea and recommended as Secretary Rumsfeld 812 00:53:31,570 --> 00:53:36,40 without having spoken in you senior people in Iraq responsible for these 813 00:53:36,40 --> 00:53:36,490 matters 814 00:53:36,490 --> 00:53:36,910 that it 815 00:53:36,910 --> 00:53:40,569 subject to and precisely because of the fact 816 00:53:40,570 --> 00:53:43,650 that it had actually been only thought it for a few days 817 00:53:43,650 --> 00:53:47,210 because remember was going on in Burma said the rooms before I make a 818 00:53:47,210 --> 00:53:48,360 recommendation I will 819 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:59,320 talk people on the ground the was a surprise you with its been discussed 820 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,590 with apples to know him discuss me was proper 821 00:54:01,590 --> 00:54:07,420 big surprise really you never called up corner and said we're thinking of doing 822 00:54:07,420 --> 00:54:07,940 this 823 00:54:07,940 --> 00:54:11,690 do you think this is a good idea go 824 00:54:11,690 --> 00:54:16,740 secretive don't you think that might have been a mistake 825 00:54:16,740 --> 00:54:20,330 no what was your reaction 826 00:54:20,330 --> 00:54:30,560 which you think authorities a poor idea I thought we needed bring them back John 827 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:31,890 Abbas a day McCarron 828 00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:36,440 were cops p tell me how about her in up let's get the army-backed let's get 829 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:36,970 their army 830 00:54:36,970 --> 00:54:41,419 there is a large number of former Iraqi soldiers are unemployed now 831 00:54:41,420 --> 00:54:45,840 that is a huge concern not only from a security standpoint but from an economic 832 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:46,840 standpoint 833 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,280 there they're not earning an income right now and there's the announcement 834 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,590 that the Iraqi army has been disbanded 835 00:54:53,590 --> 00:54:57,880 and I was floored and at this particular point I'm 836 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,420 walt slocum and his team still were not and 837 00:55:01,420 --> 00:55:06,40 iraq colonel Hughes was the person who is in charge in dealing with the Iraqi 838 00:55:06,40 --> 00:55:09,740 army because none of the people from your advisory group and yet showed up in 839 00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:11,69 Iraq including you 840 00:55:11,70 --> 00:55:15,110 didn't you think that maybe you should speak with him about this 841 00:55:15,110 --> 00:55:17,460 my cock him 842 00:55:17,460 --> 00:55:19,850 that's funny he says that the order 843 00:55:19,850 --> 00:55:23,610 spending the army came as a complete surprise to him and he learned it by 844 00:55:23,610 --> 00:55:25,470 watching it on television and 845 00:55:25,470 --> 00:55:28,680 airport the checks 846 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,410 believe that so much surprised but it possible 847 00:55:32,410 --> 00:55:39,170 I'll talk mean I talk to him we work together on 848 00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:43,430 a daily basis during the time I was there he came on the 16th 849 00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:47,940 of May 16 to 440 whirlwind tour of the country 850 00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:53,50 now and then he left and he didn't come back until the middle of June 851 00:55:53,50 --> 00:56:05,460 no correct he didn't tell you that 852 00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:09,800 wish idea to disband the entire army was one that came as quite a surprise to me 853 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,500 I C what was your reaction when he learned of it 854 00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:16,970 I so we did just created a problem had a lot about work 855 00:56:16,970 --> 00:56:21,9 soldiers president already made a different decision which was to keep 856 00:56:21,10 --> 00:56:21,710 battalion 857 00:56:21,710 --> 00:56:25,170 and below in force earlier yes 858 00:56:25,170 --> 00:56:28,670 yeah but well within I mean it couple days proximity 859 00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:32,120 I think most of us were caught politically unawares were completely 860 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:33,830 unawares by this disbanding the army 861 00:56:33,830 --> 00:56:36,840 Czech Republic found out about it as I did 862 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:41,350 which was how you just as we found out one day he renounced to be disbanded the 863 00:56:41,350 --> 00:56:41,730 army 864 00:56:41,730 --> 00:56:50,930 about kindly to rise shot to speak for yourself do you have any idea how much 865 00:56:50,930 --> 00:56:54,730 the president knew about these decisions in advance whether he had known as I've 866 00:56:54,730 --> 00:56:56,320 said before I don't know if he was in 867 00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:01,70 I missed from children no idea I was in my office but two hours 868 00:57:01,70 --> 00:57:04,480 and no young MP comes to see me he was curled 869 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,370 use I got some Iraqi officers wanna meet with you 870 00:57:08,370 --> 00:57:11,390 and i was thinkin to myself holy cow 871 00:57:11,390 --> 00:57:16,240 well I told these guys so I finally came downstairs and met with him in the 872 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:16,910 rotunda 873 00:57:16,910 --> 00:57:20,379 the Republican Palace croatia on 874 00:57:20,380 --> 00:57:24,730 service Colonel Paul what happened I settle 875 00:57:24,730 --> 00:57:28,790 I don't know what happened I have no idea how this came about 876 00:57:28,790 --> 00:57:32,370 he said all the soldiers 877 00:57:32,370 --> 00:57:36,710 they now have no recourse they have no money coming to that what are they 878 00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:43,30 supposed to do 879 00:57:43,30 --> 00:57:43,950 %uh 880 00:57:43,950 --> 00:57:55,339 do 881 00:57:55,339 --> 00:57:59,299 Bigham 882 00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:02,299 I diet 883 00:58:02,299 --> 00:58:06,380 do o'clock 884 00:58:06,380 --> 00:58:10,130 here there are some who feel like that 885 00:58:10,130 --> 00:58:13,959 you know the conditions are such that they can attack as their managers bring 886 00:58:13,959 --> 00:58:14,379 them on 887 00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:18,279 I was in the bucket the book it 888 00:58:18,279 --> 00:58:22,650 is on norm are more baby call anything that happen 889 00:58:22,650 --> 00:58:32,840 you gonna get so that nobody wants to be in there 890 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,830 I saw for the blast almost almost directly sir 891 00:58:36,830 --> 00:58:39,970 up that blast and then I came 892 00:58:39,970 --> 00:58:43,689 I I start in the firefight from the Far 893 00:58:43,690 --> 00:58:47,610 to the closest top was tough I'm 894 00:58:47,610 --> 00:58:51,20 we have a limited problem some better enders 895 00:58:51,20 --> 00:58:54,160 some small remnants of the old regime who 896 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,190 are using professional military tactics to attack and kill our soldiers as they 897 00:58:58,190 --> 00:58:58,640 did 898 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:03,730 this morning we don't think this is a coordinated campaign you know there's no 899 00:59:03,730 --> 00:59:06,610 this is a Google a war been alternately we move there's 900 00:59:06,610 --> 00:59:09,790 the Rays will award as a consequence for that blast 901 00:59:09,790 --> 00:59:14,450 I saw for a penetrating traumatic brain injury 902 00:59:14,450 --> 00:59:19,430 and I i last the procession up the light in my right eye 903 00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:24,399 I E suffer a penetrating my left eye that 904 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,670 get me a Mac Lahore in the retina 905 00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:34,730 and will we fight we fight all too long to we hear the cease-fire 906 00:59:34,730 --> 00:59:38,640 house a goner and my driver lost both his legs 907 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,960 and injected me out and now 908 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:47,820 a separate a.m. fractured Famer nearly lost my right arm 909 00:59:47,820 --> 00:59:51,300 and clap song in Tom close payable and 910 00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:55,630 I have since gone to the dictionary and I am looked up 911 00:59:55,630 --> 00:59:59,600 several things one of which I can immediately recapture but one was 912 00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,940 a guerrilla war another was insurgency in other words 913 01:00:02,940 --> 01:00:08,539 a unconventional war pardon me work 914 01:00:08,539 --> 01:00:13,569 no that someone else's business quagmire so I don't do quite Myers 915 01:00:13,569 --> 01:00:16,730 a guy I know music counterinsurgency expert 916 01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:20,349 he was at the palace where the CPA is headquartered 917 01:00:20,349 --> 01:00:23,390 and he was talking to an army colonel 918 01:00:23,390 --> 01:00:26,470 his desk was right outside members office any said 919 01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:31,520 eastward insurgency and the army colonel held up his hand and said 920 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:37,99 there is no insurgency in Iraq there is a high level up domestic violence 921 01:00:37,99 --> 01:00:40,589 the security problem increasingly 922 01:00:40,589 --> 01:00:45,210 aid into our ability to do our job I had hoped 923 01:00:45,210 --> 01:00:50,250 to establish some neighborhood advisory councils 924 01:00:50,250 --> 01:00:54,490 based rejected generals gave probably the most coherent 925 01:00:54,490 --> 01:00:57,720 briefing on the structure and organization 926 01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:02,359 love any fifteen hundred year old city that I think anyone could have gotten 927 01:01:02,359 --> 01:01:05,650 one of them launched all to 928 01:01:05,650 --> 01:01:10,420 this plan for neighborhood Advisory Group 929 01:01:10,420 --> 01:01:15,700 he had this whole grass roots bottom-up democratization 930 01:01:15,700 --> 01:01:18,930 thing nailed it wasn't absolutely 931 01:01:18,930 --> 01:01:22,270 beautiful planet and what happened to it he was assassinated 932 01:01:22,270 --> 01:01:25,450 in the country slipping more more under control the entire time 933 01:01:25,450 --> 01:01:28,549 I think in some ways bremmer his aides no 934 01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:42,470 how bad things were getting outsider the blast walls 935 01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:47,60 headquartered in Saddam's former Republican Palace the CPA compound 936 01:01:47,60 --> 01:01:48,480 called the Green Zone 937 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:54,270 was shielded by seven miles a blast walls to a huge lines 938 01:01:54,270 --> 01:01:57,310 iraqis engineers public officials 939 01:01:57,310 --> 01:02:00,369 people just want to help to translate 940 01:02:00,369 --> 01:02:03,550 standing in line at the gates of the palace 941 01:02:03,550 --> 01:02:07,470 May 28 and not been written by anyone just all go away 942 01:02:07,470 --> 01:02:11,640 can come back these people came there and tried once in two to three times and 943 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:12,359 I gave up 944 01:02:12,359 --> 01:02:15,848 I absolutely hated the Green Zone I got out every chance I could 945 01:02:15,849 --> 01:02:18,780 to meet with the Rockies and sit in their homes and hear their complaints 946 01:02:18,780 --> 01:02:20,30 and their farts 947 01:02:20,30 --> 01:02:23,680 and I would come back and tell dance more you have a problem 948 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:31,230 you not communicating to the iraqis version only 949 01:02:31,230 --> 01:02:35,619 be sends me a little spoke Arabic what counts 950 01:02:35,619 --> 01:02:38,680 maybe 5-6 a month among the top 951 01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:43,399 40 fifties seventy officials we had regional experts who had served 952 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:47,190 in iraq but is has been documented many of them 953 01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:52,190 were not involved in the initial parche after the invasion of Iraq in the 954 01:02:52,190 --> 01:02:53,320 initial occupation 955 01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,660 so that expertise was lost tell us how your time there 956 01:02:56,660 --> 01:03:00,270 ended um understands me 957 01:03:00,270 --> 01:03:03,450 did too sensitive subject say what you're comfortable saying 958 01:03:03,450 --> 01:03:07,109 I'm plus a that'd it 959 01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:11,259 it ended much sooner than I had anticipated and ended 960 01:03:11,260 --> 01:03:14,599 much sooner than i I would have wanted home 961 01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:18,130 I really would have liked to have stayed in and tried to you 962 01:03:18,130 --> 01:03:21,980 given all he had given her frustrations and the limitations it was still a very 963 01:03:21,980 --> 01:03:26,780 worthwhile place to be now and worthwhile thing to be trying to do 964 01:03:26,780 --> 01:03:30,220 you know why she was hard the I know why 965 01:03:30,220 --> 01:03:35,98 have I was told was it and she was difficult to get on with them she had 966 01:03:35,99 --> 01:03:40,160 was offering opinions or counter to the prevailing wisdom in bag at the time 967 01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:44,529 we were getting new people in afterburner showed up 968 01:03:44,530 --> 01:03:48,119 kids right out of college 969 01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:51,460 you know they have a baccalaureate degree 970 01:03:51,460 --> 01:03:53,230 just got it before better 971 01:03:53,230 --> 01:03:57,270 previous spring daddy made a contribution to the campaign 972 01:03:57,270 --> 01:04:02,160 so the kid gets a chance to go over and experience some fun travel and adventure 973 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:06,399 home pretty boys that's what I call them 974 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,40 they sat around Broomes front door and did nothing 975 01:04:10,40 --> 01:04:14,859 during the course my time in and in the green zone when I was in the past I 976 01:04:14,859 --> 01:04:16,109 bumped into one of my sons 977 01:04:16,109 --> 01:04:19,578 just graduated as to what she is doing and 978 01:04:19,579 --> 01:04:23,490 she said well I couldn't believe her luck I'm being asked to 979 01:04:23,490 --> 01:04:27,279 to do the traffic plan for the city and I'm 980 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,920 and after she had any training new school planning she said now 981 01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:37,780 so she's pressure to school and had been put in charge of something quite 982 01:04:37,780 --> 01:04:42,290 complicated to say the least and being an embankment traffic and you as a 983 01:04:42,290 --> 01:04:42,759 parent 984 01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:46,10 must officials that were on three-month contracts 985 01:04:46,10 --> 01:04:49,380 as soon as somebody would develop the appropriate relationships with the 986 01:04:49,380 --> 01:04:50,89 iraqis 987 01:04:50,89 --> 01:04:54,230 in ninety days 108 120 days to go home 988 01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:58,990 and that is a terrible way to run an organization 989 01:04:58,990 --> 01:05:02,709 there was a very strong on preference 990 01:05:02,710 --> 01:05:06,390 on the on by the Pentagon to have American 991 01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:09,740 companies doing the work and there are 992 01:05:09,740 --> 01:05:12,990 numerous instances where local Iraqi contractors 993 01:05:12,990 --> 01:05:16,649 proposed that they could do pieces at work for much much less than 994 01:05:16,650 --> 01:05:19,900 in fact the American contractors could have done 995 01:05:19,900 --> 01:05:24,250 and I took a very different approach to our work than many coalition units have 996 01:05:24,250 --> 01:05:27,630 because we word very very closely with the iraqis 997 01:05:27,630 --> 01:05:31,550 if we're sitting in a meeting at ways Americans 998 01:05:31,550 --> 01:05:34,440 and iraqis and the iraqis had just as much 999 01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,160 say is we did we were building border forts right next to force being put up 1000 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,649 by the Army Corps of Engineers 1001 01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:44,350 that big American contractor Parsons I mean we are forced design-build 1002 01:05:44,350 --> 01:05:49,140 and dedicated a period of about five months I think we left the Parsons force 1003 01:05:49,140 --> 01:05:52,589 which had been started maybe year before we arrived we're still not finished 1004 01:05:52,590 --> 01:05:54,660 while 1005 01:05:54,660 --> 01:05:56,89 of 1006 01:05:56,89 --> 01:05:58,640 the 1007 01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:04,759 of the military officers would often be out in the field expanding the the small 1008 01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,440 amount of funds that they had 1009 01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:10,230 for immediate action to say clean up the street 1010 01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:14,470 affects some temporary improvements in the sewage system 1011 01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:18,319 once the military it expanded its small amount over money to do that 1012 01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:23,260 it would come back to CPA we need this this and this for these projects and 1013 01:06:23,260 --> 01:06:25,780 it's going to cost as much and so forth and 1014 01:06:25,780 --> 01:06:29,160 to disappear it would simply disappear 1015 01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:33,480 what happen to my request what request in this happen 1016 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:41,539 over and over again of 1017 01:06:41,539 --> 01:06:44,369 eighteen billion dollars that was committed by congress 1018 01:06:44,369 --> 01:06:47,499 arm was really misconceived 1019 01:06:47,499 --> 01:06:52,348 and misspent if it was spent it all we expect to produce enough electricity for 1020 01:06:52,349 --> 01:06:56,29 all Iraqis to have electrical service 24 hours daily 1021 01:06:56,29 --> 01:07:00,189 something essential to their hopes for the future 1022 01:07:00,189 --> 01:07:03,848 it was fraud there was corruption om 1023 01:07:03,849 --> 01:07:08,669 there was waste I'm 1024 01:07:08,669 --> 01:07:12,219 the ordinary people have that and 1025 01:07:12,219 --> 01:07:16,109 first on before 2002 our city water comes 1026 01:07:16,109 --> 01:07:20,9 every like now and then every two or three days we spend 1027 01:07:20,9 --> 01:07:24,369 want to shivering covered in blankets because we didn't have enough fuel to 1028 01:07:24,369 --> 01:07:24,880 war 1029 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,939 offering the and that he does that's 1030 01:07:27,939 --> 01:07:45,609 thats that's the life with it 1031 01:07:45,610 --> 01:07:50,790 in May 2003 the united nations sent its best expert in post-war reconstruction 1032 01:07:50,790 --> 01:07:52,340 to help the US occupation 1033 01:07:52,340 --> 01:07:56,380 he was a Brazilian diplomat name Sergio Vieira de Mello 1034 01:07:56,380 --> 01:07:59,760 even though the UN was given nothing meaningful to do 1035 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,460 coffin and supplements and my best if anybody can 1036 01:08:03,460 --> 01:08:06,630 carve out a bigger role for the UN its my guy 1037 01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:09,830 it surgery on and on you know was part of his tee you now his 1038 01:08:09,830 --> 01:08:13,440 principle political adviser at that time 1039 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,670 went together to back it up no political team 1040 01:08:16,670 --> 01:08:20,890 we're all a bit speakers and we'd good experience working in 1041 01:08:20,890 --> 01:08:24,620 in the region and so on when he's a tard you did that is very very poignant in 1042 01:08:24,620 --> 01:08:25,849 retrospect is that 1043 01:08:25,850 --> 01:08:29,120 seen that the United States had boarded itself up 1044 01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:34,170 in the green zone and was not accessing the iraqi Street 1045 01:08:34,170 --> 01:08:38,510 Sergio created a structure in Iraq that was precisely the opposite in the green 1046 01:08:38,510 --> 01:08:38,740 zone 1047 01:08:38,740 --> 01:08:42,340 Michael the anti Green Zone come listen I'm listening to political 1048 01:08:42,340 --> 01:08:44,170 leaders 1049 01:08:44,170 --> 01:08:47,240 although meeting with them on a daily basis who had 1050 01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,849 various discussions with his military who came to the UN 1051 01:08:50,850 --> 01:08:54,109 and met with surgery at the men on 1052 01:08:54,109 --> 01:08:57,730 ask him you know to mediate in the dispute that they have 1053 01:08:57,729 --> 01:09:01,719 with the CPAP you have these long long lines right outside the region but they 1054 01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,420 could not make their complaints felt 1055 01:09:03,420 --> 01:09:07,580 in in the UN compound by contrast was incredibly porous 1056 01:09:07,580 --> 01:09:11,710 if you wanted to complain the UN was was very very eager to hear your complaint 1057 01:09:11,710 --> 01:09:13,340 and Sergio saudis his role 1058 01:09:13,340 --> 01:09:16,630 to relate those complaints to bremmer at the highest levels in hopes that some 1059 01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:18,20 reason to get tended to 1060 01:09:18,20 --> 01:09:21,700 before insurgency took root a meeting with him 1061 01:09:21,700 --> 01:09:23,179 regularly 1062 01:09:23,179 --> 01:09:27,520 and sharing my advice in my experience with him soon as bremmer 1063 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,850 had made use upsurge it had made you so the UN 1064 01:09:30,850 --> 01:09:35,299 are he had almost no time for the united nations and so what's urgent live 1065 01:09:35,299 --> 01:09:36,618 through was two months 1066 01:09:36,618 --> 01:09:40,880 I love in effect being used as a vehicle to get to certain segments in iraqi 1067 01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:41,699 society 1068 01:09:41,698 --> 01:09:45,118 and in for his last month what he endured was not having his phone calls 1069 01:09:45,118 --> 01:09:45,839 returned 1070 01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:49,908 and so on issues like detention policy hollings was one other 1071 01:09:49,908 --> 01:09:53,330 the issues that surgeon raised again and again with Bremer and with 1072 01:09:53,330 --> 01:10:01,530 general Sanchez the hearings have prisoners primer would hear none of it 1073 01:10:01,530 --> 01:10:06,240 up 1074 01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,780 be three or four crucial months 1075 01:10:08,780 --> 01:10:13,670 after the fall of Baghdad the two mean things the US military was doing on the 1076 01:10:13,670 --> 01:10:14,530 ground were 1077 01:10:14,530 --> 01:10:18,599 looking for WMD supplies and looking for saddam hussein 1078 01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:24,550 process have those searches busting in the doors at night rounding up people 1079 01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:54,360 taken and Apple grade having mass arrests really in bettering effect 1080 01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:58,490 you happen to be a military aged iraqi in an area of operation with the 1081 01:10:58,490 --> 01:11:01,389 american military went into there's a good chance you gonna be 1082 01:11:01,390 --> 01:11:05,600 arrested aren't turned is suspected & Surgeons 1083 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,50 just have been a military age man and in that area but operation 1084 01:11:09,50 --> 01:11:13,130 in many occasions you take the you know the Iraqi man a military each other's 1085 01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:13,770 family 1086 01:11:13,770 --> 01:11:25,260 you taking the breadwinner 1087 01:11:25,260 --> 01:11:27,990 you and your not just him but you and your extended family 1088 01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:35,380 because he's probably supporting more than his immediate family 1089 01:11:35,380 --> 01:11:37,500 whenever they here the American 1090 01:11:37,500 --> 01:11:40,760 helicopters pro-american tax driving in their street 1091 01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,660 they immediately wake up even if it's like 2 o'clock in the morning 1092 01:11:45,660 --> 01:11:49,690 and prepare themselves for the pension because it 1093 01:11:49,690 --> 01:11:52,870 it for them this is a usual thing happening even now 1094 01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:57,960 new attacks on the american soldiers themselves 1095 01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:03,10 and so the responders attacks by going out and trying to find the insurgents 1096 01:12:03,10 --> 01:12:06,880 anymore and trying to find the insurgents day sometimes 1097 01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,550 arrested the wrong person they even sometimes 1098 01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:15,890 killed the wrong person are ones people arrested they tended to disappear in the 1099 01:12:15,890 --> 01:12:20,770 American military prison system for a long time without a trace their families 1100 01:12:20,770 --> 01:12:28,560 couldn't get any word on 1101 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,860 it's difficult to understand what it feels like to be an Occupy purse 1102 01:12:31,860 --> 01:12:35,80 they point to conceive energy they stop you in a driving 1103 01:12:35,80 --> 01:12:38,580 iraqis not understand instructions given to them at 1104 01:12:38,580 --> 01:12:41,950 traffic checkpoints they would approach to quickly they will get shot and killed 1105 01:12:41,950 --> 01:12:46,120 mostly American units that I spent time with have tried very very hard to always 1106 01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:47,99 do the right thing 1107 01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:50,150 and to not kill anyone or injure anyone have been arm 1108 01:12:50,150 --> 01:12:53,730 intended to are needed to but there's no question that 1109 01:12:53,730 --> 01:12:56,980 the wars are messy and this one in Iraq 1110 01:12:56,980 --> 01:13:00,599 with the way the insurgency is being waged is particularly so 1111 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:05,90 one after another you have these these have short term decisions which by the 1112 01:13:05,90 --> 01:13:38,40 and have 2003 met you had a country with an insurgency underway 1113 01:13:38,40 --> 01:13:44,119 up 1114 01:13:44,119 --> 01:13:54,679 good 1115 01:13:54,679 --> 01:13:58,10 russian-made truck pulled up right outside Sergio 1116 01:13:58,10 --> 01:14:02,320 their dollars window and set of just a huge amount 1117 01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:07,309 explosives the entire southwestern corner at the UN building collapsed 1118 01:14:07,310 --> 01:14:11,360 Sergio was under the rubble and alive for more than three hours 1119 01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:15,159 awaiting rescue we lost money colleagues that 1120 01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:19,989 moment I think it will slow the sign that something dramatic what happened 1121 01:14:19,989 --> 01:14:23,349 country then search had become that lethal 1122 01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:27,449 full-fledged ready for my mom struggle and long fight 1123 01:14:27,449 --> 01:14:33,169 with the coalition forces 1124 01:14:33,170 --> 01:14:37,360 by 2004 the relationship between the military and the Iraqi people 1125 01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,290 have grown toxic 1126 01:14:41,290 --> 01:14:48,650 right the corner where should like character 1127 01:14:48,650 --> 01:14:50,780 hard 1128 01:14:50,780 --> 01:14:52,620 school 1129 01:14:52,620 --> 01:14:55,769 right here home we can use deadly for 1130 01:14:55,770 --> 01:14:59,650 we can't use deadly force 1131 01:14:59,650 --> 01:15:02,629 few your shit 1132 01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:06,940 PC arm all these civilians who come over to work for 1133 01:15:06,940 --> 01:15:10,969 on the private contractors who were doing so much to work with the 1134 01:15:10,969 --> 01:15:11,949 reconstruction 1135 01:15:11,949 --> 01:15:21,928 religious because we don't have enough troops at these 1136 01:15:21,929 --> 01:15:26,90 gets have special guests and they're not what these people they have brought 1137 01:15:26,90 --> 01:15:30,59 yet and so on they have the right to shoot people just like that 1138 01:15:30,59 --> 01:15:33,610 i've seen and of a lot of civilian contractors who have been 1139 01:15:33,610 --> 01:15:37,18 particularly violent and arm 1140 01:15:37,19 --> 01:16:15,330 and in very short sighted in terms what they're doing 1141 01:16:15,330 --> 01:16:19,400 saddam me an internal hard on themselves the whole other issue 1 1142 01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:23,400 luckily Asia what month are done the 1143 01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:27,230 a saddam and why do not have a conscience 1144 01:16:27,230 --> 01:16:30,360 that he was up with a limp amount of money 1145 01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:36,179 not to lose only a little 1146 01:16:36,180 --> 01:16:38,449 sounding 1147 01:16:38,449 --> 01:16:42,900 much 1148 01:16:42,900 --> 01:16:43,699 finance 1149 01:16:43,699 --> 01:16:51,940 the relief I demand about the guys 1150 01:16:51,940 --> 01:16:56,460 by early 2004 for luger a city of 350,000 people 1151 01:16:56,460 --> 01:17:05,350 West Baghdad have become the center of the Sunni insurgency 1152 01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:07,900 on March 31st 2004 1153 01:17:07,900 --> 01:17:10,910 for american military contractors were killed 1154 01:17:10,910 --> 01:17:14,10 and their bodies were dragged through the streets of a Luger by cheering 1155 01:17:14,10 --> 01:17:14,790 crowds 1156 01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:21,170 beginning in early 2004 1157 01:17:21,170 --> 01:17:25,550 the National Intelligence Council a powerful 12-person committee that sits 1158 01:17:25,550 --> 01:17:27,820 on top america's intelligence community 1159 01:17:27,820 --> 01:17:30,989 conducted several assessment serve the growing insurgency 1160 01:17:30,989 --> 01:17:34,839 which he presented to the white house and senior administration officials 1161 01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,960 well we're chronicling worked was a deepening insurgency 1162 01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,420 who is broadening it was not limited to foreign fighters 1163 01:17:42,420 --> 01:17:48,870 or disaffected batters what we called the insurgency really is a multi-faceted 1164 01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:51,960 deeply rooted they I it's not just a few 1165 01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:56,420 about his dad and uRS is not just a a few extremists from overseas 1166 01:17:56,420 --> 01:18:02,489 but rather reflected multiple motivations and frustrations among the 1167 01:18:02,489 --> 01:18:03,900 iraqi people themselves 1168 01:18:03,900 --> 01:18:07,230 has the economic situation was deteriorating 1169 01:18:07,230 --> 01:18:11,000 has people's personal security was becoming 1170 01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:16,20 weaker and has resentment at the American occupation was growing 1171 01:18:16,20 --> 01:18:21,110 its K played at a 1172 01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:25,509 several scenarios it said 1173 01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:30,150 white could be lousy life could be okay life could be better 1174 01:18:30,150 --> 01:18:33,759 president haven't read it not even the one-page summary 1175 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:38,350 over which we work so hard to produce these findings to single readable page 1176 01:18:38,350 --> 01:18:41,600 president and not read even the executive summary correct 1177 01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:46,179 they were just 1178 01:18:46,179 --> 01:18:49,429 guessing as to what conditions might be like with your estimate 1179 01:18:49,429 --> 01:18:52,940 half the number of people in Iraq who have been 1180 01:18:52,940 --> 01:18:57,719 active at some level in the insurgency active in some level 1181 01:18:57,719 --> 01:19:01,420 if the if you say supporting providing safe haven to 1182 01:19:01,420 --> 01:19:10,510 I potentially you know well over a hundred thousand people for 1183 01:19:10,510 --> 01:19:18,890 filed 1184 01:19:18,890 --> 01:19:22,409 despite the intensification of the insurgency they were still not 1185 01:19:22,409 --> 01:19:23,170 sufficient 1186 01:19:23,170 --> 01:19:27,140 armored vehicles for american soldiers in Iraq we never had a single armored 1187 01:19:27,140 --> 01:19:28,480 Humvee while we are in Iraq 1188 01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:33,659 threw out 2003 we went to Iraq in 2004 with 1189 01:19:33,659 --> 01:19:37,420 on armored Humvees and they were given armor kits 1190 01:19:37,420 --> 01:19:41,620 in kuwait which were just sort of cut out doors with no windows 1191 01:19:41,620 --> 01:19:45,670 arm hand the bullet-proof windshield and that's about it 1192 01:19:45,670 --> 01:19:49,909 if you're on the hadn't been armored what do you think a damage 1193 01:19:49,909 --> 01:19:54,299 that I D would have been I'm think it would been daily why we soldiers 1194 01:19:54,300 --> 01:19:58,120 have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap metal 1195 01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,670 and compromise ballistic last up armored vehicles and why do we have those 1196 01:20:01,670 --> 01:20:10,760 resources readily available to us 1197 01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,910 it's essentially a matter of Physics it isn't a matter of money 1198 01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:18,389 it is a matter on the part of the army %uh desire its it's a matter of 1199 01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:19,350 production 1200 01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:24,60 and and capability of doing it we have I will be a plant closing down 1201 01:20:24,60 --> 01:20:27,650 in america you know I mean a I'm not an 1202 01:20:27,650 --> 01:20:31,889 I'm not a factory expertise retool them to to produce a member Tom the 1203 01:20:31,890 --> 01:20:35,280 it shouldn't be that difficult you go to war with the army you hang out 1204 01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:44,849 another harming you might want or wish to have it at a later time 1205 01:20:44,850 --> 01:20:46,590 in November 2004 1206 01:20:46,590 --> 01:20:51,100 the pentagon decided to attack for luger in an attempt to recapture the city from 1207 01:20:51,100 --> 01:20:52,390 the Sunni insurgency 1208 01:20:52,390 --> 01:21:05,320 for losers 350,000 residents were warned to leave 1209 01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:09,360 the battle destroys seventy percent of the city and renders a hundred and fifty 1210 01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:10,839 thousand people homeless 1211 01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,590 despite intense combat many insurgents escape 1212 01:21:14,590 --> 01:21:21,540 forty marines were killed while the US military was preoccupied with a Luger 1213 01:21:21,540 --> 01:21:33,730 Shiite militias were taking over southern iraq 1214 01:21:33,730 --> 01:21:36,928 there's nothing like an army your and major 1215 01:21:36,929 --> 01:21:43,150 I'm large elements have hundreds of people trying to overthrow where 1216 01:21:43,150 --> 01:21:46,739 or to change the situation in August 2004 1217 01:21:46,739 --> 01:21:49,869 the holy city of Najaf is taken over by the Mahdi Army 1218 01:21:49,869 --> 01:21:53,349 the Shiite militia controlled by muqtada also order 1219 01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:58,110 room 1220 01:21:58,110 --> 01:22:02,619 essentially that turnover we got from the army unit that we replace was 1221 01:22:02,619 --> 01:22:05,699 that most things in Niger for 1222 01:22:05,699 --> 01:22:10,320 pretty peaceful except there's this three thousand-man militia force that 1223 01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:11,389 occupies the centre 1224 01:22:11,389 --> 01:22:16,239 the city in runaround flying on the moors landing 1225 01:22:16,239 --> 01:22:19,769 Michael to the the first into the police station 1226 01:22:19,770 --> 01:22:23,770 reviews took up positions along side the Iraqi police 1227 01:22:23,770 --> 01:22:28,150 and defend it from a Russian but it wasn't until the end of August that we 1228 01:22:28,150 --> 01:22:30,409 actually did a full-scale assault 1229 01:22:30,409 --> 01:22:38,59 on the old city just to collude 1230 01:22:38,60 --> 01:22:41,560 democracy cannot provide for the iraqi people people will say 1231 01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:46,30 to help democracy we need a strong man and I can see the strong man already in 1232 01:22:46,30 --> 01:22:46,580 the offing 1233 01:22:46,580 --> 01:22:50,40 his name is booked at the side and I would say that this is not 1234 01:22:50,40 --> 01:22:54,40 a good choice for the future leader earlier where you part 1235 01:22:54,40 --> 01:22:58,19 deliberations about whether to 1236 01:22:58,20 --> 01:23:01,250 capture or kill more titles hotter yes I was 1237 01:23:01,250 --> 01:23:05,520 did we see maternal side as a troublemaker in a thorn in the side 1238 01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:09,800 absolutely we wanted to arrest him it was it gets back in my view to the 1239 01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:10,180 matter 1240 01:23:10,180 --> 01:23:13,780 trip strip the US military wanna be diverted from their major mission 1241 01:23:13,780 --> 01:23:18,450 to go after what would have been a good probably short term but difficult to 1242 01:23:18,450 --> 01:23:22,690 and I'm sure bloody battle and 1243 01:23:22,690 --> 01:23:27,780 ultimately that's what won out after elections were held in iraq on December 1244 01:23:27,780 --> 01:23:29,480 15th 2005 1245 01:23:29,480 --> 01:23:33,790 the United Iraqi Alliance which Muqtada all starters party is a major 1246 01:23:33,790 --> 01:23:34,740 participant 1247 01:23:34,740 --> 01:23:37,980 took nearly half the seats in Iraq's central government 1248 01:23:37,980 --> 01:23:42,169 that's not easy being a Marine his some you know to my buddies were killed 1249 01:23:42,170 --> 01:23:48,500 by him and his militia and now looking Iraq and see him as a rising politician 1250 01:23:48,500 --> 01:23:53,610 Thrissur another Shiite group with insiders Alliance 1251 01:23:53,610 --> 01:23:57,349 is scary the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq 1252 01:23:57,350 --> 01:24:00,610 ski resort leadership lived in Iran for twenty years 1253 01:24:00,610 --> 01:24:02,780 and is frequently pro-iranian 1254 01:24:02,780 --> 01:24:06,889 these two Shiite group which sometimes engage in armed combat with each other 1255 01:24:06,890 --> 01:24:12,40 are politically allied against soon group Muqtada al solders Mahdi Army 1256 01:24:12,40 --> 01:24:15,300 continues to clash with US forces I'll 1257 01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:18,820 level of activity that we see today from a military standpoint I think 1258 01:24:18,820 --> 01:24:23,200 curly decline I think they're in the in the last throws at you will love the 1259 01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:24,000 insurgency 1260 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,240 when secretary rumsfeld and 1261 01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:31,219 and Vice President Cheney made their comments about the insurgency 1262 01:24:31,220 --> 01:24:35,90 dying out being a few defenders Center you 1263 01:24:35,90 --> 01:24:39,30 new that the intelligence estimates already 1264 01:24:39,30 --> 01:24:42,160 indicated that they were wrong I had been due 1265 01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:45,380 iraqi times a new with the facts on the ground were 1266 01:24:45,380 --> 01:24:48,700 they'll have to speak and they will be judged by their own 1267 01:24:48,700 --> 01:24:57,460 words and actions but to I knew with the fracture 1268 01:24:57,460 --> 01:25:01,260 starting in 2005 the administration's slowly began to correct 1269 01:25:01,260 --> 01:25:05,470 some other two mistakes it accelerated training up the Iraqi army 1270 01:25:05,470 --> 01:25:08,820 and appointed a Muslim diplomat so many calls out 1271 01:25:08,820 --> 01:25:12,309 as ambassador I'm in June 2006 1272 01:25:12,310 --> 01:25:16,80 ambassador columns out sent an ominous cable to come to Lisa rice 1273 01:25:16,80 --> 01:25:20,430 iraqis working for the embassy could not tell their families where they worked 1274 01:25:20,430 --> 01:25:25,330 for fear of being killed they ask what will happen if the Americans evacuate 1275 01:25:25,330 --> 01:25:29,440 many plan ahead for their own abduction I'm 1276 01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:33,519 six months later the day after Republicans lose control of congress 1277 01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:37,120 president bush announces Donald Rumsfeld's resignation 1278 01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:41,269 the new secretary of defense Robert Gates is a pragmatist who had been 1279 01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:42,880 privately critical to war 1280 01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:47,570 I am making a change at the secretary defence to bring a fresh perspective 1281 01:25:47,570 --> 01:25:51,9 as to how to achieve something I think most Americans want which is a victory 1282 01:25:51,10 --> 01:26:00,479 on 1283 01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:06,979 me 1284 01:26:06,979 --> 01:26:10,389 by the time Rumsfeld has replaced the rock is out of control 1285 01:26:10,389 --> 01:26:13,719 the country is increasingly dominated by militias 1286 01:26:13,719 --> 01:26:19,119 insurgents criminals and warlords mixed areas are purged by ethnic cleansing 1287 01:26:19,119 --> 01:26:24,150 Shiite militias have infiltrated the police using them for sectarian killings 1288 01:26:24,150 --> 01:26:27,638 kidnappings and violent deaths have reached several hundred 1289 01:26:27,639 --> 01:26:32,969 per day go and move the ball 1290 01:26:32,969 --> 01:26:37,229 Garnett outlets in the we have so many kinds of militia 1291 01:26:37,229 --> 01:26:41,139 you have the multi-millions your you have the bed that means they have many 1292 01:26:41,139 --> 01:26:42,550 uses in this country 1293 01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:47,320 and the all on her the democratic reform 1294 01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:50,619 at least some people and Kim 1295 01:26:50,619 --> 01:26:53,848 security is terrible and many neighborhoods 1296 01:26:53,849 --> 01:26:57,360 where the ever-present threat of car bombs and ID's 1297 01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,89 was with the unabomber hand 1298 01:27:00,90 --> 01:27:03,210 on in the world No up with no think it'll be 1299 01:27:03,210 --> 01:27:06,340 who is this love the bulbous open 1300 01:27:06,340 --> 01:27:10,850 the heart a blog moving within the heinous crime and you 1301 01:27:10,850 --> 01:27:14,370 I didn't like my 30 Morgan kidnappings especially 1302 01:27:14,370 --> 01:27:17,990 sheer money-making gangster stuff kidnapping over 1303 01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:22,500 or small boat ride from the hotel you know car just stopped grab the boy and 1304 01:27:22,500 --> 01:27:23,220 drove off 1305 01:27:23,220 --> 01:27:26,20 parents get around to note in all somehow have to raise as much money in a 1306 01:27:26,20 --> 01:27:26,550 week 1307 01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:30,000 it's not what you just have one or two or three kidnappings because 100 1308 01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:35,360 and you get overwhelmed on my phone I would probably a military man nothing 1309 01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:40,429 them a honeymoon but no I'm you know you will do it anymore you know to whom and 1310 01:27:40,430 --> 01:27:42,790 what I did have a good man and I'm going on 1311 01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:45,870 just a delusion individuals who are 1312 01:27:45,870 --> 01:27:49,920 asking for helper or or soon don't 1313 01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:53,500 ask for help anymore why reported to the police one we don't trust 'em 1314 01:27:53,500 --> 01:27:57,200 to they may be committing some other crime uniformed use just 1315 01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:00,519 perforated all over the place so you really have watsup 1316 01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,240 rogue elements and people better using your working into the guys in the 1317 01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:05,200 security services 1318 01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:09,269 now you can see people usted once menso sis 1319 01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:13,180 we don't know more on fake checkpoints and the street style 1320 01:28:13,180 --> 01:28:17,170 people passing and look into their ID's and see if they were 1321 01:28:17,170 --> 01:28:20,670 shots sony's kurds arabs and then 1322 01:28:20,670 --> 01:28:27,120 you know can have them out tell them and the same place 1323 01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,120 when I said goodbye to my husband 1324 01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:34,190 I think I'm not going up 1325 01:28:34,190 --> 01:28:38,99 by late 2006 Baghdad had fallen into your anarchy 1326 01:28:38,100 --> 01:28:41,290 the US military controlled the Green Zone 1327 01:28:41,290 --> 01:28:46,30 and the area around Baghdad Airport iraqi security forces controlled areas 1328 01:28:46,30 --> 01:28:47,259 in the east and south 1329 01:28:47,260 --> 01:28:51,570 the Sunni militias controlled several predominately Sunni neighborhoods 1330 01:28:51,570 --> 01:28:55,699 Moqtada al solders Mahdi Army dominated large areas 1331 01:28:55,699 --> 01:29:00,599 including the enormous Shiites love Soccer City scary throw ball Shiite 1332 01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:01,170 militia 1333 01:29:01,170 --> 01:29:04,429 the bottom brigade controlled wealthier Shiite areas 1334 01:29:04,429 --> 01:29:07,750 neighborhood organizations controlled many small zones 1335 01:29:07,750 --> 01:29:11,130 large areas were essentially controlled by no one 1336 01:29:11,130 --> 01:29:15,60 if 1337 01:29:15,60 --> 01:29:18,449 0 I'll 1338 01:29:18,449 --> 01:29:21,549 from a study conducted by Harvard professor Linda Bilmes 1339 01:29:21,550 --> 01:29:25,919 and Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz as a bit early 2007 1340 01:29:25,919 --> 01:29:31,519 the US has spent 379 billion dollars directly on the war in Iraq 1341 01:29:31,519 --> 01:29:36,90 future operating costs are estimated at $389 billion dollars 1342 01:29:36,90 --> 01:29:39,329 the costs a veteran's health care and lost productivity 1343 01:29:39,329 --> 01:29:43,49 those serving in Iraq is $482 billion dollars 1344 01:29:43,50 --> 01:29:46,719 the costs of demobilization and replacing military equipment 1345 01:29:46,719 --> 01:29:50,869 which is being used up six times faster than normal is a hundred and sixty 1346 01:29:50,869 --> 01:29:51,858 billion dollars 1347 01:29:51,859 --> 01:29:56,309 the increase in oil prices do the war have cost the US economy 1348 01:29:56,309 --> 01:29:59,829 400 and fifty billion dollars and 1349 01:29:59,829 --> 01:30:04,249 in total the economic cost to the war is projected to reach 1.8 1350 01:30:04,249 --> 01:30:07,499 trillion dollars I'm 1351 01:30:07,499 --> 01:30:11,949 suffering from most dramatic migraines 1352 01:30:11,949 --> 01:30:18,558 and post-traumatic epilepsy sometimes 1353 01:30:18,559 --> 01:30:22,599 I have Batman what he's 1354 01:30:22,599 --> 01:30:26,780 a while hopping but I am NOT scare them 1355 01:30:26,780 --> 01:30:29,889 do you feel emotionally okay home 1356 01:30:29,889 --> 01:30:33,869 some time to slow I'm 1357 01:30:33,869 --> 01:30:37,18 sometimes yes sometimes no 1358 01:30:37,19 --> 01:30:40,579 still have troll you know dealing with them 1359 01:30:40,579 --> 01:30:45,530 home house will have my apartment now sometimes 1360 01:30:45,530 --> 01:30:49,509 the big big cost 1361 01:30:49,510 --> 01:30:53,719 in terms of veterans disability is for the many hundreds of thousands of people 1362 01:30:53,719 --> 01:30:54,939 who come back 1363 01:30:54,939 --> 01:30:59,639 and they find that they can't work and hold down a job in the way they used to 1364 01:30:59,639 --> 01:31:03,189 because they're just not quite the same as they were before 1365 01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:08,550 how hot does it get in this country his 120 yesterday 1366 01:31:08,550 --> 01:31:10,300 up 1367 01:31:10,300 --> 01:31:14,340 mascot checked I ever sign ago I solutions have been there now on the 1368 01:31:14,340 --> 01:31:15,330 third jury duty 1369 01:31:15,330 --> 01:31:19,240 and someone don't see an end to it they think they'll be back there for their 1370 01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:22,330 fifth sixth and seventh was a duty before the sands 1371 01:31:22,330 --> 01:31:26,870 we don't have enough troops how could we protect against a possible conflict in 1372 01:31:26,870 --> 01:31:27,590 Pyongyang 1373 01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:33,130 a possible conflict with Iran other potentialities in the world what we've 1374 01:31:33,130 --> 01:31:34,860 got everything tied up 1375 01:31:34,860 --> 01:31:38,330 with regard to Iraq and Afghanistan Iran is 1376 01:31:38,330 --> 01:31:42,90 Ardley given %ah 1377 01:31:42,90 --> 01:31:45,280 how much we dislike the Iranian regime 1378 01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:49,509 the single greatest beneficiary the war in Iraq 1379 01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:54,450 we eliminated their historic enemy for them and put them on top 1380 01:31:54,450 --> 01:31:57,559 and no Persian Gulf I mean when you have 1381 01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:02,200 massive civil war violent nasty civil war on top with twenty percent the world 1382 01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:06,450 oil supply that will probably engulf other regional players Iran Saudi Arabia 1383 01:32:06,450 --> 01:32:10,139 Jordan and Syria maybe even Egypt iraq 1384 01:32:10,140 --> 01:32:13,200 disintegrates and becomes an arena of 1385 01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:16,750 single much we could become like the kingdom 1386 01:32:16,750 --> 01:32:20,510 I'm its wearer terrorists all over the world would find 1387 01:32:20,510 --> 01:32:23,570 refuge iraq goes back to some sort of 1388 01:32:23,570 --> 01:32:27,139 Islamic fascist regime like we had in 1389 01:32:27,140 --> 01:32:29,310 under the Taliban in Afghanistan 1390 01:32:29,310 --> 01:32:32,840 and we're back to September the town 2001 acceptance 1391 01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:36,140 much larger scale and 1392 01:32:36,140 --> 01:32:40,890 to let the dogs in all mine in their disposal when we were first starting 1393 01:32:40,890 --> 01:32:45,60 the reconstruction way you would serve joked that they were five hundred ways 1394 01:32:45,60 --> 01:32:46,200 to do it wrong 1395 01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:50,540 territory ways to do it right what we in understands that we were 1396 01:32:50,540 --> 01:32:54,50 can go through all five hundred what do you think all those mistakes for me 1397 01:32:54,50 --> 01:33:02,850 I don't know I have no idea puzzling president bush 1398 01:33:02,850 --> 01:33:06,980 was missing in action on the planning for the post-war 1399 01:33:06,980 --> 01:33:10,879 he deferred to his vice president and the secretary of defense 1400 01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,680 the control over those decisions why on earth 1401 01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:18,70 if you were present in the United States would you plan to use military force and 1402 01:33:18,70 --> 01:33:20,400 then divorce yourself from essentially the 1403 01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:25,960 most important aspect love that use and that is the aftermath who is in charge 1404 01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:26,740 this war 1405 01:33:26,740 --> 01:33:29,360 I don't wanna go through all this time it was he was the president the 1406 01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,259 vice-president secretary defence 1407 01:33:31,260 --> 01:33:35,490 those around around all those people do you include national security adviser 1408 01:33:35,490 --> 01:33:38,690 for the vice president you include now 1409 01:33:38,690 --> 01:33:42,40 that was the dinner team that produced 1410 01:33:42,40 --> 01:33:46,300 the thinking behind the war my mistake was probably not find a way to get 1411 01:33:46,300 --> 01:33:48,300 myself more involved in the planning process 1412 01:33:48,300 --> 01:33:53,740 this so that the dissolution the army would have been a surprise visit 1413 01:33:53,740 --> 01:33:57,750 well I'm accuray still about my day in court I'm a loss but that money 1414 01:33:57,750 --> 01:34:02,10 system ought to be participatory 1415 01:34:02,10 --> 01:34:05,610 and ought to include people are going to say this 1416 01:34:05,610 --> 01:34:07,469 this makes no sense mister president 1417 01:34:07,470 --> 01:34:11,800 this is a bad idea I don't think that kind of decision making process 1418 01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:16,620 existed him the Bush administration hi sorry didn't feel my soft participating 1419 01:34:16,620 --> 01:34:21,650 in such a decision making price the administration never asked for any 1420 01:34:21,650 --> 01:34:25,330 estimator community assessment Iraq before we went to war 1421 01:34:25,330 --> 01:34:28,769 nobody seem to be interested in 1422 01:34:28,770 --> 01:34:31,890 with community had to say I think it's more a matter that mines were made up 1423 01:34:31,890 --> 01:34:32,470 the time 1424 01:34:32,470 --> 01:34:35,650 the course was set whatever 1425 01:34:35,650 --> 01:34:39,129 analysis on these sorts of issues was too 1426 01:34:39,130 --> 01:34:43,380 and the decision-makers felt they had already done it themselves 1427 01:34:43,380 --> 01:34:47,650 Vice President Cheney of course is made takes me the same positions at Secretary 1428 01:34:47,650 --> 01:34:48,960 Rumsfeld it on the war 1429 01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:52,280 does he still have your complete competency don't expect him to stay 1430 01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:56,40 campaign is over yes he does and he'll be here for the remaining see well 1431 01:34:56,40 --> 01:35:00,100 there are nights when I don't sleep very well 1432 01:35:00,100 --> 01:35:03,860 that I for myself for not pushing the issue 1433 01:35:03,860 --> 01:35:07,99 and I think I shoulda gone kicked his door and into 1434 01:35:07,100 --> 01:35:12,340 damnit listen this was a mistake we need to do something to rectify it 1435 01:35:12,340 --> 01:35:16,000 but I never had the opportunity to do it 1436 01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:20,360 and trying to kick in the door you know with ambassador whose 1437 01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:24,630 essentially the you know those are above iraq 1438 01:35:24,630 --> 01:35:28,710 you know for colonel to try and do it just wasn't going to happen you couldn't 1439 01:35:28,710 --> 01:35:30,140 get past the front door 1440 01:35:30,140 --> 01:35:34,370 if my speaking out heads even in them infinitesimally 1441 01:35:34,370 --> 01:35:38,30 to the criticism that counts 1442 01:35:38,30 --> 01:35:43,139 this administration then that's good I don't pretend to say that I'm 1443 01:35:43,140 --> 01:35:47,590 have been effective in that regard but I i just can't hold my peace any longer 1444 01:35:47,590 --> 01:35:50,740 we will bring to the iraqi people food 1445 01:35:50,740 --> 01:35:56,269 and medicines and supplies 1446 01:35:56,270 --> 01:36:02,310 and freedom 1447 01:36:02,310 --> 01:36:07,530 and 1448 01:36:07,530 --> 01:36:11,99 would be 1449 01:36:11,99 --> 01:36:13,150 in 1450 01:36:13,150 --> 01:36:15,370 0 1451 01:36:15,370 --> 01:36:18,210 0 1452 01:36:18,210 --> 01:36:20,490 here 1453 01:36:20,490 --> 01:36:30,700 1 1454 01:36:30,700 --> 01:36:38,119 any just was Henny Penny the sky is falling 1455 01:36:38,119 --> 01:36:40,40 general Gardenhire 1456 01:36:40,40 --> 01:36:46,130 pledged to working very closely together 1457 01:36:46,130 --> 01:36:55,210 there is a large number of love former Iraqi soldiers are unemployed now 1458 01:36:55,210 --> 01:36:59,40 one was group or another was insurgency in other words 1459 01:36:59,40 --> 01:37:05,320 a unconventional war Henry 1460 01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:08,549 where'd in 1461 01:37:08,550 --> 01:37:12,239 their someone else's business quagmire 1462 01:37:12,239 --> 01:37:17,919 I don't do quite merged 1463 01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:22,430 knife I'm listen I'm listening to political 1464 01:37:22,430 --> 01:37:29,510 news 1465 01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:36,840 well 1466 01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:38,650 someday my life in the future 1467 01:37:38,650 --> 01:37:43,280 I gotta look back to iraq and I gotta see something done 1468 01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:46,840 in there so I can look back and said 1469 01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:50,270 I was fired this in my suffering 1470 01:37:50,270 --> 01:37:53,290 in my last I'll have a 1471 01:37:53,290 --> 01:37:56,690 have a meanie 1472 01:37:56,690 --> 01:38:04,400 I'll 1473 01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:09,219 the situation gets better I'm going 1474 01:38:09,220 --> 01:38:10,680 I'm 1475 01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:14,980 no on the front that me on my and 1476 01:38:14,980 --> 01:38:19,780 back 1477 01:38:19,780 --> 01:38:22,389 from here we can't change anything because it's 1478 01:38:22,389 --> 01:38:26,250 it's out of control now I don't have future plans 1479 01:38:26,250 --> 01:38:30,350 are being in Iraq I don't see the 1480 01:38:30,350 --> 01:38:34,10 and bit of flight and the at the end of the tunnel yet 1481 01:38:34,10 --> 01:38:39,170 this is what it is this is how we live in this is how we see it this is how we 1482 01:38:39,170 --> 01:38:39,770 smell it 1483 01:38:39,770 --> 01:38:43,40 and feel it is not a situation that you can say 1484 01:38:43,40 --> 01:38:53,760 let's try this it will help strike this it will help no it's not 1485 01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:55,810 and then you tell me that's the best America can do 1486 01:38:55,810 --> 01:39:00,830 no don't don't tell me that don't tell that 1487 01:39:00,830 --> 01:39:04,410 the Marines who fought for a month and not have that 1488 01:39:04,410 --> 01:39:07,980 don't tell the Marines who who are still fighting every day and pollution that 1489 01:39:07,980 --> 01:39:09,559 that's the best America can do 1490 01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:27,340 that makes me angry 1491 01:39:27,340 --> 01:39:30,670 well 1492 01:39:30,670 --> 01:39:38,730 I'll 1493 01:39:38,730 --> 01:39:52,400 I'll held 1494 01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:55,500 I'll 1495 01:39:55,500 --> 01:40:23,809 I'll 1496 01:40:23,809 --> 01:40:40,219 head 1497 01:40:40,219 --> 01:40:45,239 on 1498 01:40:45,239 --> 01:40:46,218 on 1499 01:40:46,219 --> 01:40:49,930 ok 1500 01:40:49,930 --> 01:40:52,670 on 1501 01:40:52,670 --> 01:40:55,570 on 1502 01:40:55,570 --> 01:40:58,249 on 1503 01:40:58,249 --> 01:41:21,99 up 1504 01:41:21,100 --> 01:41:28,510 0 1505 01:41:28,510 --> 01:41:36,430 and 1506 01:41:36,430 --> 01:41:37,420 me 1507 01:41:37,420 --> 01:41:40,550 I'll 1508 01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:43,989 me 1509 01:41:43,989 --> 01:41:46,58 and of