1 00:00:17,073 --> 00:00:22,073 Subtitles by explosiveskull 2 00:00:25,825 --> 00:00:28,893 I still think that it's accurate to say I've 3 00:00:28,895 --> 00:00:33,563 murdered more people on film than any actor in history. 4 00:01:00,693 --> 00:01:04,494 Unless somebody can dispute that, but I doubt it. 5 00:01:04,496 --> 00:01:06,400 And if you do, I'll fucking kill you. 6 00:01:25,784 --> 00:01:28,952 You know, I'm not sure why I enjoy horror 7 00:01:28,954 --> 00:01:32,789 so much, but I really do and I always have. 8 00:01:32,791 --> 00:01:36,961 People like to be scared when it's in 9 00:01:36,963 --> 00:01:40,732 the safety of their own home or a theater. 10 00:01:40,734 --> 00:01:43,033 They don't really have to take it with them, 11 00:01:43,035 --> 00:01:45,035 but sometimes I think the most effective 12 00:01:45,037 --> 00:01:47,538 horror movies are ones that you do 13 00:01:47,540 --> 00:01:49,874 in fact take out of the theater in 14 00:01:49,876 --> 00:01:51,875 your mind and it stays with you. 15 00:01:51,877 --> 00:01:54,511 We don't address death. 16 00:01:54,513 --> 00:01:55,713 And I remember thinking I was gonna 17 00:01:55,715 --> 00:01:57,615 live forever when I was young too. 18 00:01:57,617 --> 00:01:58,883 I think I can't believe I lived 19 00:01:58,885 --> 00:02:00,754 through some of the adventures I had. 20 00:02:01,855 --> 00:02:04,358 The horror movie makes us confront death. 21 00:02:05,492 --> 00:02:07,658 It's one of the few places we do. 22 00:02:07,660 --> 00:02:10,994 You certainly don't do it in America's Got Talent 23 00:02:10,996 --> 00:02:14,432 or Dancing with the Stars or The Kardashians, 24 00:02:14,434 --> 00:02:16,737 but you do deal with death in a horror movie. 25 00:02:17,837 --> 00:02:20,872 And if you go to a horror movie, if you sit 26 00:02:20,874 --> 00:02:23,940 in the dark with other people, there's a 27 00:02:23,942 --> 00:02:26,042 collective catharsis that's in the air 28 00:02:26,044 --> 00:02:27,677 and the energy in the the air. 29 00:02:27,679 --> 00:02:29,446 It's a really great experience. 30 00:02:29,448 --> 00:02:30,782 Kinda like riding a rollercoaster, 31 00:02:30,784 --> 00:02:33,484 you know the big hill is coming and you know 32 00:02:33,486 --> 00:02:36,754 you're gonna be rushing down it, but you still do it. 33 00:02:36,756 --> 00:02:38,588 It's this great thing that can happen, 34 00:02:38,590 --> 00:02:41,024 and you share it, and you share that 35 00:02:41,026 --> 00:02:44,462 moment of really confronting your own mortality. 36 00:02:44,464 --> 00:02:47,598 I think that's really the key and really 37 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,200 why the horror movie will always be with us, 38 00:02:49,202 --> 00:02:51,635 it's the place to do that a little bit. 39 00:02:51,637 --> 00:02:54,171 I think a lot of people get labeled 40 00:02:54,173 --> 00:02:56,873 horror icons because they happen to 41 00:02:56,875 --> 00:02:58,776 play a role in a film that ended up 42 00:02:58,778 --> 00:03:01,178 gaining a lot of notoriety or becoming 43 00:03:01,180 --> 00:03:03,581 a franchise or whatever it may be. 44 00:03:03,583 --> 00:03:06,516 Well Kane actually legitimately loves this stuff, 45 00:03:06,518 --> 00:03:10,087 and I think the fact that, look, he played Jason, 46 00:03:10,089 --> 00:03:13,658 and Jason is a huge character, but he really 47 00:03:13,660 --> 00:03:17,494 held the torch for Jason for a long time. 48 00:03:17,496 --> 00:03:18,929 He was doing the conventions, the other 49 00:03:18,931 --> 00:03:20,564 guys weren't, not at that time. 50 00:03:20,566 --> 00:03:23,234 It's kinda ironic 'cause you meet a lot 51 00:03:23,236 --> 00:03:25,202 of these people who play heroes and people 52 00:03:25,204 --> 00:03:28,039 who play bad guys, most of the people that 53 00:03:28,041 --> 00:03:30,607 I've met who play heroes are assholes 54 00:03:30,609 --> 00:03:32,542 and most of the people who play 55 00:03:32,544 --> 00:03:34,714 really bad people are nice guy. 56 00:03:36,516 --> 00:03:37,682 It's kinda funny. 57 00:03:37,684 --> 00:03:39,884 What I admire about what Kane has done 58 00:03:39,886 --> 00:03:41,819 is Kane has transcended the role. 59 00:03:41,821 --> 00:03:43,187 He is Kane. 60 00:03:43,189 --> 00:03:46,189 He has made a brand name for himself. 61 00:03:46,191 --> 00:03:49,694 Kane Hodder, plus it's just a cool kickass name. 62 00:03:49,696 --> 00:03:53,066 Kane being the Hawaiian word for man. 63 00:03:54,233 --> 00:03:55,766 I think it's kinda cool considering 64 00:03:55,768 --> 00:03:57,267 I grew up in the South Pacific, 65 00:03:57,269 --> 00:04:00,136 my first name is really Hawaiian, because a lot 66 00:04:00,138 --> 00:04:02,839 of people think it's not my real name, that it's 67 00:04:02,841 --> 00:04:06,743 a stage name or something, but it really is my real name. 68 00:04:06,745 --> 00:04:08,746 The island of Kwajalein in the Pacific 69 00:04:08,748 --> 00:04:12,082 where an anti-ballistic missile system is being perfected. 70 00:04:12,084 --> 00:04:13,818 This artist conception shows a 71 00:04:13,820 --> 00:04:15,852 typical operating missile site 72 00:04:15,854 --> 00:04:17,854 whose job will be to guard against any 73 00:04:17,856 --> 00:04:20,626 possible nuclear attack from Communist China. 74 00:04:26,065 --> 00:04:29,032 I met Kane in 1971. 75 00:04:29,034 --> 00:04:32,068 We both lived on an island called Kwajalein. 76 00:04:32,070 --> 00:04:34,238 Both of our parents were assigned there. 77 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:35,739 It's a military base and they 78 00:04:35,741 --> 00:04:37,741 had other companies out there for support. 79 00:04:37,743 --> 00:04:40,810 It was just an amazing place to live. 80 00:04:40,812 --> 00:04:43,750 An oasis in the real world really. 81 00:04:45,017 --> 00:04:47,183 I played all kinds of sports. 82 00:04:47,185 --> 00:04:49,953 The tough thing with playing high school sports is 83 00:04:49,955 --> 00:04:54,258 that we had to play in men's leagues in every sport. 84 00:04:54,260 --> 00:04:57,294 When you're 16 playing varsity basketball 85 00:04:57,296 --> 00:05:00,830 against a men's team, that's not easy. 86 00:05:00,832 --> 00:05:03,067 Every once in a while, certain sports 87 00:05:03,069 --> 00:05:05,169 like basketball, we would go to Hawaii 88 00:05:05,171 --> 00:05:08,306 for a trip and play a couple high schools 89 00:05:08,308 --> 00:05:10,640 which was incredible for us because we had 90 00:05:10,642 --> 00:05:13,344 never competed against another high school team. 91 00:05:13,346 --> 00:05:15,880 We made a road trip to Hawaii, 92 00:05:15,882 --> 00:05:18,315 there was only 12 of us that went. 93 00:05:18,317 --> 00:05:20,918 It was a fun trip because it was just 94 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,919 fun playing other high school students 95 00:05:22,921 --> 00:05:24,955 for one thing 'cause then we did much better, 96 00:05:24,957 --> 00:05:27,892 and then we had a lot of free time. 97 00:05:27,894 --> 00:05:29,794 On one of the days a bunch of us 98 00:05:29,796 --> 00:05:34,198 went to a hotel and we wanted to see 99 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,200 what the view looked like from high up 100 00:05:36,202 --> 00:05:39,637 in the hotel and there was, on each floor, 101 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:41,705 outside the stairwell there was a balcony 102 00:05:41,707 --> 00:05:43,373 you could just walk out to, you didn't 103 00:05:43,375 --> 00:05:46,277 have to have a room to get on that balcony. 104 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,647 We went up to the 35th floor of the hotel 105 00:05:50,649 --> 00:05:53,049 and we're looking around and I thought hey, 106 00:05:53,051 --> 00:05:57,087 another golden opportunity to entertain my friends. 107 00:05:57,089 --> 00:05:59,657 I thought how fun would it be for 108 00:05:59,659 --> 00:06:02,827 me on that 35th floor balcony to 109 00:06:02,829 --> 00:06:05,762 climb on the outside of the railing. 110 00:06:05,764 --> 00:06:08,832 So I'm holding onto the railing like this 111 00:06:08,834 --> 00:06:11,669 with my feet on the deck, but that's 112 00:06:11,671 --> 00:06:15,171 the balcony, I'm out here over just air. 113 00:06:15,173 --> 00:06:17,274 My friends started freaking out and that 114 00:06:17,276 --> 00:06:19,777 entertained me greatly, so while I'm 115 00:06:19,779 --> 00:06:21,945 holding on like this I thought even more 116 00:06:21,947 --> 00:06:24,981 scary would be to talk to them, go what's 117 00:06:24,983 --> 00:06:28,318 the matter, and then grab on before I fell. 118 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,056 Now 350 feet down. 119 00:06:31,156 --> 00:06:33,257 Sometimes I'm even amazed that I did this 120 00:06:33,259 --> 00:06:37,128 'cause it's not very bright, but I saw their 121 00:06:37,130 --> 00:06:39,195 reaction to that and I did it one more time, 122 00:06:39,197 --> 00:06:42,666 guys I'm fine, and then grab on before I fell. 123 00:06:42,668 --> 00:06:45,202 They took off, they went back into the hotel, 124 00:06:45,204 --> 00:06:47,270 went back down, they were freaking out, 125 00:06:47,272 --> 00:06:50,974 and I thought man, that is entertaining for me. 126 00:06:50,976 --> 00:06:53,813 There were several incidents like that on Kwajalein. 127 00:06:54,781 --> 00:06:56,279 He was a troublemaker. 128 00:06:56,281 --> 00:06:59,015 To make people have that kind of reaction 129 00:06:59,017 --> 00:07:00,918 because I'm doing something that I thought 130 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,686 was easy 'cause I've never really 131 00:07:02,688 --> 00:07:04,921 had a fear of heights at all, I just 132 00:07:04,923 --> 00:07:09,395 found it so much fun to do that with those guys. 133 00:07:14,132 --> 00:07:16,200 I didn't know about Kane's bullying before the book, 134 00:07:16,202 --> 00:07:18,269 and even after we talked about it, it took 135 00:07:18,271 --> 00:07:20,438 a long time for him to open up and really 136 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,709 discuss the bullying and how much it affected him. 137 00:07:34,420 --> 00:07:36,253 During the elementary school years, 138 00:07:36,255 --> 00:07:41,228 when I was 10 and 11, I was a meek, quiet kid. 139 00:07:43,729 --> 00:07:47,667 I started getting picked on a lot. 140 00:07:49,034 --> 00:07:50,868 It became very severe. 141 00:07:50,870 --> 00:07:55,806 There was a story that happened when 142 00:07:55,808 --> 00:07:59,712 my buddy and I went to the community pool 143 00:08:00,947 --> 00:08:02,912 during the summer to go swimming. 144 00:08:02,914 --> 00:08:04,216 It was over at the park. 145 00:08:06,118 --> 00:08:07,450 We went over there and swam all day 146 00:08:07,452 --> 00:08:10,020 and then we were getting ready to leave 147 00:08:10,022 --> 00:08:12,957 and we saw three kids staring at us 148 00:08:12,959 --> 00:08:14,892 that we didn't know, they weren't 149 00:08:14,894 --> 00:08:17,527 from our school, and for some reason 150 00:08:17,529 --> 00:08:21,866 they came over and beat the hell out of us. 151 00:08:21,868 --> 00:08:23,933 I unfortunately got the worst end of it. 152 00:08:23,935 --> 00:08:25,969 There was three of them and they were 153 00:08:25,971 --> 00:08:29,539 much older than us and just beat me 154 00:08:29,541 --> 00:08:32,342 so badly that the next day my face was so 155 00:08:32,344 --> 00:08:35,346 swollen that it was hard to recognize me. 156 00:08:35,348 --> 00:08:37,847 It was so bad that he was embarrassed by it, 157 00:08:37,849 --> 00:08:39,382 and he should've went to the hospital, 158 00:08:39,384 --> 00:08:41,318 but he didn't even wanna show his mom, so he 159 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,453 hid in his room and suffered with all the pain. 160 00:08:43,455 --> 00:08:45,823 I just couldn't figure out why they were doing it 161 00:08:45,825 --> 00:08:47,491 because we hadn't done anything to make 162 00:08:47,493 --> 00:08:52,362 them mad, or to do anything against them 163 00:08:52,364 --> 00:08:55,201 in any way, they just seemed to do it for fun. 164 00:08:57,969 --> 00:08:59,837 I don't know if that spawned other people 165 00:08:59,839 --> 00:09:01,371 to do it from my school, but then I 166 00:09:01,373 --> 00:09:04,176 started getting bullied all the time. 167 00:09:05,310 --> 00:09:08,879 In I think it was seventh grade I was 168 00:09:08,881 --> 00:09:11,816 caught by a guy that had been harassing me 169 00:09:11,818 --> 00:09:14,518 and bullying me who had thrown up 170 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:19,390 in a baggy earlier in the day because 171 00:09:19,392 --> 00:09:21,925 he was sick and threw it on the ground and 172 00:09:21,927 --> 00:09:24,495 after school thought it would be funny if he 173 00:09:24,497 --> 00:09:27,300 poured it in my face while other people watched. 174 00:09:29,035 --> 00:09:31,968 Everybody thought that was hilarious. 175 00:09:31,970 --> 00:09:32,972 Except me of course. 176 00:09:37,142 --> 00:09:38,210 That's the way it was. 177 00:09:43,315 --> 00:09:46,149 I mean there was always the typical 178 00:09:46,151 --> 00:09:49,553 pushing around, calling names, slamming head 179 00:09:49,555 --> 00:09:53,490 into a locker, stuff like that, but it's 180 00:09:53,492 --> 00:09:56,327 sad to say those were the things that 181 00:09:56,329 --> 00:09:59,266 didn't bother me anymore, that was minor. 182 00:10:01,066 --> 00:10:04,869 I didn't say anything because I was embarrassed to. 183 00:10:04,871 --> 00:10:09,876 It's hard to admit to someone that you allowed 184 00:10:11,009 --> 00:10:14,144 this to happen because technically you did. 185 00:10:14,146 --> 00:10:15,446 There's nothing you can do about it 186 00:10:15,448 --> 00:10:17,180 because you just don't have what it 187 00:10:17,182 --> 00:10:20,049 takes inside of you to stand up for yourself. 188 00:10:20,051 --> 00:10:21,488 So you're embarrassed by it. 189 00:10:22,555 --> 00:10:25,088 Very often the response is well just 190 00:10:25,090 --> 00:10:27,891 stand up for yourself, just hit them back. 191 00:10:27,893 --> 00:10:30,928 Very easy to say, but unless you've been 192 00:10:30,930 --> 00:10:33,867 bullied you don't understand how 193 00:10:35,033 --> 00:10:38,170 impossibly difficult that can be at times. 194 00:10:39,372 --> 00:10:42,106 When a kid is severely bullied and ends up 195 00:10:42,108 --> 00:10:45,377 committing suicide as a result of that, 196 00:10:46,912 --> 00:10:50,581 it's my opinion that happens not because 197 00:10:50,583 --> 00:10:55,019 the kid is scared, or even worried about 198 00:10:55,021 --> 00:10:58,154 anything further happening, it's that 199 00:10:58,156 --> 00:11:01,625 the kid starts thinking they're worthless 200 00:11:01,627 --> 00:11:03,897 because they don't do anything to stop it. 201 00:11:06,531 --> 00:11:09,399 Until you've been there, you don't 202 00:11:09,401 --> 00:11:11,872 understand how impossible that can feel. 203 00:11:16,075 --> 00:11:18,274 And then you start hating yourself. 204 00:11:18,276 --> 00:11:21,145 And then you say you know what, fuck this. 205 00:11:21,147 --> 00:11:24,014 I don't need to go through this anymore. 206 00:11:24,016 --> 00:11:25,548 I'm worthless, I don't do anything 207 00:11:25,550 --> 00:11:27,520 to stop, and they end their lives. 208 00:11:34,493 --> 00:11:37,061 Eventually after years, I don't know 209 00:11:37,063 --> 00:11:40,297 how I did this, and I just somehow 210 00:11:40,299 --> 00:11:42,732 snapped and I swung and I punched him. 211 00:11:42,734 --> 00:11:44,168 I couldn't even believe I did it. 212 00:11:44,170 --> 00:11:46,636 It didn't even seem like me doing it, it seemed 213 00:11:46,638 --> 00:11:50,307 like I was outside my body watching me do this. 214 00:11:50,309 --> 00:11:53,077 I punched him not very effectively 215 00:11:53,079 --> 00:11:55,078 and I got the shit beat out of me 216 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:56,480 because of it, but I went home 217 00:11:56,482 --> 00:12:00,717 feeling better about myself because I tried. 218 00:12:00,719 --> 00:12:04,321 So I thought hey, you know what, I lost a fight. 219 00:12:04,323 --> 00:12:05,722 I felt better. 220 00:12:05,724 --> 00:12:08,158 Mentally that turned me around and somehow 221 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,464 I started to let it happen less and less. 222 00:12:13,299 --> 00:12:14,467 Eventually it stopped. 223 00:12:22,208 --> 00:12:25,208 After I graduated from Kwajalein High School, 224 00:12:25,210 --> 00:12:29,380 while I was going to college at UNR, Nevada-Reno, 225 00:12:29,382 --> 00:12:31,548 I saw a sign in my dorm looking for 226 00:12:31,550 --> 00:12:34,050 extras for a movie, and I thought 227 00:12:34,052 --> 00:12:35,486 that might be interesting to go down 228 00:12:35,488 --> 00:12:37,388 there and just see how movies are filmed. 229 00:12:37,390 --> 00:12:41,290 So I went downtown Reno and was able to 230 00:12:41,292 --> 00:12:44,727 work on the film, it was called California Split. 231 00:12:44,729 --> 00:12:48,164 George Segal and Elliott Gould. 232 00:12:48,166 --> 00:12:51,034 I was just an extra in the crowd, and I 233 00:12:51,036 --> 00:12:56,008 was fascinated by the process of filmmaking. 234 00:12:57,642 --> 00:13:00,144 I worked on it for a day and then thought 235 00:13:00,146 --> 00:13:02,513 that was fun, and I had classes the next day, 236 00:13:02,515 --> 00:13:04,781 so I blew off those classes and went 237 00:13:04,783 --> 00:13:07,284 back and worked on the movie again 238 00:13:07,286 --> 00:13:08,785 just 'cause I had so much fun doing it. 239 00:13:08,787 --> 00:13:12,358 It was the only time in my life I've ever been an extra. 240 00:13:14,693 --> 00:13:19,263 Even though that was only 1974, it was 241 00:13:19,265 --> 00:13:22,399 the start of my interest in film by far. 242 00:13:22,401 --> 00:13:25,269 It was the very first thing because the 243 00:13:25,271 --> 00:13:30,276 following year I went to visit my buddy Mike, 244 00:13:31,410 --> 00:13:33,610 and Mike lived in Los Angeles and he said 245 00:13:33,612 --> 00:13:37,146 let's go to Universal Studios and go on the tour. 246 00:13:37,148 --> 00:13:40,550 I loved it, I just loved being on the backlot. 247 00:13:40,552 --> 00:13:43,187 I wanted so badly to get off the tram 248 00:13:43,189 --> 00:13:45,322 and just wander around by myself. 249 00:13:45,324 --> 00:13:47,691 Then the tour was over and we went 250 00:13:47,693 --> 00:13:50,159 to a couple of the live shows, one of 251 00:13:50,161 --> 00:13:52,699 which was the wild west stunt show at Universal. 252 00:13:54,632 --> 00:13:58,302 We watched the show and that was it. 253 00:13:58,304 --> 00:14:00,571 As soon as that show was over 254 00:14:00,573 --> 00:14:02,805 I said that's what I wanna do. 255 00:14:02,807 --> 00:14:04,241 And I knew it. 256 00:14:04,243 --> 00:14:05,310 From that moment. 257 00:14:06,711 --> 00:14:08,278 Once he gets something in his head, 258 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,814 and sorry Kane, but it just stays there. 259 00:14:11,816 --> 00:14:15,818 No matter what you say to him, you can't change his mind. 260 00:14:15,820 --> 00:14:18,856 Very fortune of course over the years 261 00:14:18,858 --> 00:14:23,327 to get to where I've gotten, but I've also 262 00:14:23,329 --> 00:14:25,728 worked hard, it wasn't handed to me in any way. 263 00:14:25,730 --> 00:14:27,731 On a professional level, I love the fact 264 00:14:27,733 --> 00:14:30,800 that he takes these parts so seriously. 265 00:14:30,802 --> 00:14:32,401 There's a lot of times, especially with 266 00:14:32,403 --> 00:14:34,371 producers or studio execs where they'll 267 00:14:34,373 --> 00:14:37,774 say whoever is gonna be this villain, we just need 268 00:14:37,776 --> 00:14:41,712 a big, menacing, physical presence, preferably a 269 00:14:41,714 --> 00:14:44,548 stunt guy who can take hits and punishment. 270 00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:47,483 Kane really gets into it and that's why 271 00:14:47,485 --> 00:14:50,155 the characters he plays are memorable. 272 00:14:58,164 --> 00:15:00,767 Did a movie called Prison in 1987. 273 00:15:02,233 --> 00:15:04,300 I was happy to be the stunt coordinator on it, 274 00:15:04,302 --> 00:15:06,537 it was a great movie stunt wise, and then at 275 00:15:06,539 --> 00:15:08,771 the end of the shooting John Buechler, 276 00:15:08,773 --> 00:15:11,507 who was doing the makeup effects, said we have to 277 00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:14,912 have a guy in the full body prostetic makeup. 278 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:17,780 The wrongly executed prisoner comes 279 00:15:17,782 --> 00:15:20,483 out of the ground strapped to an electric chair 280 00:15:20,485 --> 00:15:22,385 and he has full makeup head to toe, 281 00:15:22,387 --> 00:15:25,722 prosthetics, dentures, lenses, everything. 282 00:15:25,724 --> 00:15:28,424 And I said well I've never done it, I'm happy 283 00:15:28,426 --> 00:15:30,861 to do it 'cause it's not a comfortable thing. 284 00:15:30,863 --> 00:15:34,298 I'd actually designed it on another actor, 285 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:38,704 but when I went to Wyoming I saw that Kane... 286 00:15:39,738 --> 00:15:41,605 I think he had the chops for it. 287 00:15:41,607 --> 00:15:43,539 I put everything on, it took 288 00:15:43,541 --> 00:15:45,375 3 1/2 hours to put everything on, 289 00:15:45,377 --> 00:15:47,476 and then Randy said you know what 290 00:15:47,478 --> 00:15:49,346 would be really cool, since this is 291 00:15:49,348 --> 00:15:52,683 a corpse that has been buried, he said why 292 00:15:52,685 --> 00:15:57,287 don't we put live nightcrawlers all over you. 293 00:15:57,289 --> 00:15:58,688 I said how could would it be if 294 00:15:58,690 --> 00:16:00,656 I had live worms in my mouth? 295 00:16:00,658 --> 00:16:02,959 He's like you would do that? 296 00:16:02,961 --> 00:16:06,862 I said yeah, I still don't think that was a big deal. 297 00:16:06,864 --> 00:16:09,433 He went nuts with it really. 298 00:16:09,435 --> 00:16:12,468 So I put them in my mouth and did the shot. 299 00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:15,338 I think that Randy and John Buechler both 300 00:16:15,340 --> 00:16:16,840 were impressed at my enthusiasm 301 00:16:16,842 --> 00:16:19,345 for working in that kind of makeup. 302 00:16:20,713 --> 00:16:23,847 John in particular liked how I moved in the makeup. 303 00:16:23,849 --> 00:16:27,417 The thing I noticed about Kane during Prison 304 00:16:27,419 --> 00:16:31,791 was that he worked with the makeup. 305 00:16:33,325 --> 00:16:37,260 It's one thing to design a cool looking creature effect. 306 00:16:37,262 --> 00:16:40,364 It's another thing to have it performed well. 307 00:16:40,366 --> 00:16:42,566 Aside from being an amazing stuntman 308 00:16:42,568 --> 00:16:45,501 and a really fine actor, he works with 309 00:16:45,503 --> 00:16:46,837 the appliances and he tries to 310 00:16:46,839 --> 00:16:49,673 do as much as he can with them. 311 00:16:49,675 --> 00:16:51,411 That stuck with me. 312 00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:57,584 So that's 1987, the following year John Buechler 313 00:16:58,883 --> 00:17:02,754 is hired to direct Friday the 13th Part Seven, 314 00:17:03,622 --> 00:17:05,322 and immediately says I got the 315 00:17:05,324 --> 00:17:07,291 guy that I want to play Jason. 316 00:17:07,293 --> 00:17:08,792 I wanted Kane. 317 00:17:08,794 --> 00:17:12,028 I knew that he could act, and I knew that 318 00:17:12,030 --> 00:17:13,863 he could really work with the appliances, 319 00:17:13,865 --> 00:17:16,332 and I wanted to take the mask off of Jason. 320 00:17:16,334 --> 00:17:18,701 I wanted people to see how pissed off he was. 321 00:17:18,703 --> 00:17:21,705 The thing I gave to the Friday 322 00:17:21,707 --> 00:17:24,440 the 13th movies was the rage of Jason. 323 00:17:24,442 --> 00:17:27,579 The makeup for Part Seven was my favorite look. 324 00:17:28,646 --> 00:17:30,813 Very very well done makeup. 325 00:17:30,815 --> 00:17:32,682 It created the illusion that when he 326 00:17:32,684 --> 00:17:35,084 opened his mouth you saw him through holes. 327 00:17:35,086 --> 00:17:39,890 The very first shot I ever did as Jason 328 00:17:39,892 --> 00:17:43,659 in Part Seven being my first movie was 329 00:17:43,661 --> 00:17:48,668 the single shot where Tina has a vision and sees 330 00:17:50,001 --> 00:17:54,539 Michael being stabbed in the kitchen of the house. 331 00:17:55,841 --> 00:17:58,878 That is the very first thing I ever shot as Jason. 332 00:18:01,814 --> 00:18:04,915 When I put that stuff on and went to the set 333 00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:09,518 it felt so natural, and people are gonna go 334 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:14,526 oh my God, he's so full of shit, but really, 335 00:18:15,661 --> 00:18:19,463 it felt right for me to be wearing that stuff. 336 00:18:19,465 --> 00:18:20,930 But I wanted to do whatever I 337 00:18:20,932 --> 00:18:23,499 could to make the movie look good. 338 00:18:23,501 --> 00:18:25,736 To this day it's still my favorite 339 00:18:25,738 --> 00:18:27,603 look of Jason, of all of them really. 340 00:18:27,605 --> 00:18:28,974 Certainly of the ones I did. 341 00:18:30,007 --> 00:18:33,075 There had been six films before 342 00:18:33,077 --> 00:18:36,412 I ever came into the picture. 343 00:18:36,414 --> 00:18:38,849 So the Friday the 13th name, 344 00:18:38,851 --> 00:18:41,884 the Jason name, were known worldwide. 345 00:18:41,886 --> 00:18:44,987 For me to be able to step into that role, 346 00:18:44,989 --> 00:18:47,858 how do you not consider that a huge honor? 347 00:18:47,860 --> 00:18:50,127 And you better do it justice. 348 00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:53,429 You're given an opportunity of a lifetime, 349 00:18:53,431 --> 00:18:57,700 so you need to do whatever you can to add to that. 350 00:18:57,702 --> 00:19:02,642 He brings this special focus, I think, to Jason. 351 00:19:04,008 --> 00:19:06,877 When I first put the makeup on and looked 352 00:19:06,879 --> 00:19:10,080 in the mirror, I thought when Jason is staring at 353 00:19:10,082 --> 00:19:15,088 someone and not moving, he looks like a mannequin. 354 00:19:16,822 --> 00:19:19,156 I said what can I do to still do that 355 00:19:19,158 --> 00:19:23,025 same stare but add life to the character? 356 00:19:23,027 --> 00:19:25,061 I don't think people understand how hard 357 00:19:25,063 --> 00:19:27,831 that is to make anything, a lot of it's 358 00:19:27,833 --> 00:19:30,699 just the movement, a little movement. 359 00:19:30,701 --> 00:19:32,002 A lot of it's in the eyes. 360 00:19:32,004 --> 00:19:35,138 He gets in front of that mirror and he 361 00:19:35,140 --> 00:19:37,040 looks at the makeup and he figures 362 00:19:37,042 --> 00:19:38,975 out what he can do with it. 363 00:19:38,977 --> 00:19:42,044 He pushes the limits and he talks to 364 00:19:42,046 --> 00:19:43,880 the makeup artist, can I do this, will it 365 00:19:43,882 --> 00:19:47,184 hurt the makeup, I mean he's very specific. 366 00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:49,585 I came up with the breathing thing 367 00:19:49,587 --> 00:19:53,725 so instead of this you see this. 368 00:19:55,693 --> 00:19:57,460 To me, that made it look like the 369 00:19:57,462 --> 00:19:59,595 character was about to spring any moment. 370 00:19:59,597 --> 00:20:02,666 Even though he's motionless staring at you, 371 00:20:02,668 --> 00:20:05,067 the heaving chest looked scary as hell 372 00:20:05,069 --> 00:20:07,704 and people have said that's one of 373 00:20:07,706 --> 00:20:09,805 my signature things that I do, 374 00:20:09,807 --> 00:20:12,144 but I just thought it worked. 375 00:20:13,245 --> 00:20:16,079 Kane owns that, and I think that it's 376 00:20:16,081 --> 00:20:19,248 very special and I think that most fans 377 00:20:19,250 --> 00:20:21,751 immediately can tell if it's some 378 00:20:21,753 --> 00:20:24,553 other person wearing the mask and why 379 00:20:24,555 --> 00:20:26,989 it's important for true fans, I think, 380 00:20:26,991 --> 00:20:30,794 that they really respond to the way Kane did it. 381 00:20:30,796 --> 00:20:32,262 I remember the first time I seen him 382 00:20:32,264 --> 00:20:33,964 and he was just breathing and taking 383 00:20:33,966 --> 00:20:35,198 in air and I was like oh my God, oh my God. 384 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,766 I'm not gonna sleep tonight, motherfucker. 385 00:20:37,768 --> 00:20:39,835 That Jason's just a predator. 386 00:20:39,837 --> 00:20:40,803 That's it. 387 00:20:40,805 --> 00:20:44,073 It's like an automatic need. 388 00:20:44,075 --> 00:20:47,046 Just pure nihilistic, must destroy. 389 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,112 There's something about the way Kane 390 00:20:50,114 --> 00:20:53,582 plays that focus that's really fun. 391 00:20:53,584 --> 00:20:56,919 I have never in my life broken a bone. 392 00:20:56,921 --> 00:20:58,854 Which I'm proud of because I always 393 00:20:58,856 --> 00:21:01,524 think it's funny that stunt people 394 00:21:01,526 --> 00:21:04,928 brag about how many bones they've broken. 395 00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:09,131 Isn't the whole point to do a stunt successfully? 396 00:21:09,133 --> 00:21:10,734 'Cause anybody can be crazy and 397 00:21:10,736 --> 00:21:12,768 just go do something and get hurt, 398 00:21:12,770 --> 00:21:14,004 but the whole point is to have a 399 00:21:14,006 --> 00:21:17,607 stunt career successful that you don't get hurt. 400 00:21:17,609 --> 00:21:18,608 I always find it funny when guys 401 00:21:18,610 --> 00:21:22,044 say yeah, I broke 225 bones. 402 00:21:22,046 --> 00:21:23,546 You're not very good then, are you? 403 00:21:23,548 --> 00:21:26,181 Kane is perhaps the safest stunt 404 00:21:26,183 --> 00:21:28,017 coordinator that you'll ever wanna work with. 405 00:21:28,019 --> 00:21:32,054 He is very strong, very firm, very creative on a set. 406 00:21:32,056 --> 00:21:34,658 He can figure out something ridiculous 407 00:21:34,660 --> 00:21:38,861 and over the top instantly. 408 00:21:38,863 --> 00:21:42,131 There was a scene written where as Jason 409 00:21:42,133 --> 00:21:47,105 I chase Tina up the stairs, she goes up 410 00:21:48,172 --> 00:21:49,605 the top of the stairs where the door 411 00:21:49,607 --> 00:21:52,007 of course is locked and there's no escape. 412 00:21:52,009 --> 00:21:53,944 So I come up the stairs, the way it was 413 00:21:53,946 --> 00:21:56,246 written in the script was she makes 414 00:21:56,248 --> 00:21:58,348 the light start moving and it swings and 415 00:21:58,350 --> 00:22:02,217 hits me in the chest and I tumble down the stairs. 416 00:22:02,219 --> 00:22:06,890 I mean Kane doesn't do things 50%. 417 00:22:06,892 --> 00:22:09,793 He does things 150%. 418 00:22:09,795 --> 00:22:11,261 You tell him to scrub a floor, 419 00:22:11,263 --> 00:22:13,630 he'll scrub the shit out of that floor. 420 00:22:13,632 --> 00:22:15,832 And I said to Buechler I said that's not 421 00:22:15,834 --> 00:22:18,802 too bad, but how cool would it be if that 422 00:22:18,804 --> 00:22:20,937 thing just swings and hits me right in 423 00:22:20,939 --> 00:22:23,806 the face, in the mask, and then I just 424 00:22:23,808 --> 00:22:28,078 fall back like a tree and I go through the stairs. 425 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,813 He goes wow, you can do that, and I 426 00:22:30,815 --> 00:22:32,948 said I think so, I think it would look great. 427 00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:36,953 I think it's more in character of Jason. 428 00:22:36,955 --> 00:22:39,956 Tumbling down the stairs I think looks too human. 429 00:22:39,958 --> 00:22:42,792 Take the hit and then fall straight back 430 00:22:42,794 --> 00:22:44,960 onto their staircase, that's one of 431 00:22:44,962 --> 00:22:47,096 my favorite shots in the movie as well. 432 00:22:47,098 --> 00:22:48,698 It must've been difficult, but you could 433 00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:51,368 never tell by the way he performed. 434 00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:55,839 He never showed the discomfort or the 435 00:22:55,841 --> 00:23:00,377 difficulty, he was always 100% performance. 436 00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:04,880 We're at the lake set, this is in Bay Minette, Alabama. 437 00:23:04,882 --> 00:23:07,249 To go to the dressing rooms I would always 438 00:23:07,251 --> 00:23:09,386 walk through the woods, and whenever I was 439 00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:11,321 in character in any of the movies I like 440 00:23:11,323 --> 00:23:16,092 to leave the mask on and stay in character. 441 00:23:16,094 --> 00:23:18,894 2 o'clock in the morning one night or something, 442 00:23:18,896 --> 00:23:23,265 walking on the trail, I saw someone coming 443 00:23:23,267 --> 00:23:25,805 to the set, someone who I didn't recognize. 444 00:23:26,738 --> 00:23:30,273 And I thought this might be fun. 445 00:23:30,275 --> 00:23:32,708 So I stopped on the trail, still had 446 00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:36,615 the mask on, everything, and I stared at him. 447 00:23:37,449 --> 00:23:39,849 He uttered the most ridiculous 448 00:23:39,851 --> 00:23:44,153 question I think I've ever heard. 449 00:23:44,155 --> 00:23:46,156 He looked at me, in all that makeup, 450 00:23:46,158 --> 00:23:49,629 and said excuse me, are you with the movie? 451 00:23:51,063 --> 00:23:53,196 That's a dumb bastard right there. 452 00:23:53,198 --> 00:23:55,899 So I just stared at him and he started 453 00:23:55,901 --> 00:23:57,801 looking around, yeah, you're with the movie right? 454 00:23:57,803 --> 00:24:00,269 And that's when I rushed at him. 455 00:24:00,271 --> 00:24:02,005 He took off running back to the 456 00:24:02,007 --> 00:24:03,973 trucks, I never saw him again. 457 00:24:03,975 --> 00:24:08,111 But the next day, just talking to Buechler 458 00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:10,447 before we started, he said hey, you know 459 00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:14,050 that local sheriff never showed up last night. 460 00:24:14,052 --> 00:24:17,023 I said oh, hmm, I wonder what happened. 461 00:24:21,093 --> 00:24:23,459 For a long long time, my all time 462 00:24:23,461 --> 00:24:25,961 favorite kill was a Jason kill. 463 00:24:25,963 --> 00:24:26,830 The sleeping bag. 464 00:24:26,832 --> 00:24:27,496 The sleeping bag. 465 00:24:27,498 --> 00:24:28,363 Sleeping bag. 466 00:24:28,365 --> 00:24:29,232 Sleeping bag. 467 00:24:29,234 --> 00:24:30,100 Sleeping bag. 468 00:24:30,102 --> 00:24:30,967 Sleeping bag. 469 00:24:30,969 --> 00:24:32,101 The sleeping bag. 470 00:24:32,103 --> 00:24:33,072 Sleeping bag kill in Part Seven. 471 00:24:34,238 --> 00:24:35,271 The sleeping bag is one of the 472 00:24:35,273 --> 00:24:36,973 most classic ones in history. 473 00:24:36,975 --> 00:24:38,408 I killed somebody with something 474 00:24:38,410 --> 00:24:41,343 that's not a weapon, that's pretty amazing. 475 00:24:41,345 --> 00:24:43,947 And it was just such an impactful kill 476 00:24:43,949 --> 00:24:47,316 in the theaters, I went to the Chinese Theater 477 00:24:47,318 --> 00:24:49,218 in Hollywood when the movie opened, 478 00:24:49,220 --> 00:24:52,088 just anonymously sat in the back, 479 00:24:52,090 --> 00:24:55,425 and when that kill came up opening night, 480 00:24:55,427 --> 00:24:57,960 I watched half the audience stand up 481 00:24:57,962 --> 00:24:59,829 high-fiving each other and stuff, 482 00:24:59,831 --> 00:25:02,168 I said wow, that was a pretty amazing feeling. 483 00:25:06,938 --> 00:25:08,103 One of Kane's most legendary 484 00:25:08,105 --> 00:25:11,040 stunts is his burn in Part Seven. 485 00:25:11,042 --> 00:25:13,509 At the time it was a record long fire burn, 486 00:25:13,511 --> 00:25:15,245 the entire thing is on screen. 487 00:25:15,247 --> 00:25:17,112 And I thought let's make it a little 488 00:25:17,114 --> 00:25:18,814 different than what you normally see 489 00:25:18,816 --> 00:25:21,551 because you typically never saw the 490 00:25:21,553 --> 00:25:26,758 ignition of the stunt person on camera. 491 00:25:27,892 --> 00:25:29,159 It always cut from somebody making 492 00:25:29,161 --> 00:25:31,294 a reaction, then it cut to the 493 00:25:31,296 --> 00:25:34,429 person on fire already moving around. 494 00:25:34,431 --> 00:25:37,867 This girl has telekinetic powers, so why 495 00:25:37,869 --> 00:25:42,272 don't we have her make the fire blast out 496 00:25:42,274 --> 00:25:46,575 of the furnace and ignite Jason on camera. 497 00:25:46,577 --> 00:25:49,545 And Buechler was like wow, I've never seen 498 00:25:49,547 --> 00:25:51,147 that really, and I said I haven't 499 00:25:51,149 --> 00:25:53,049 either, so that's why I wanna do it. 500 00:25:53,051 --> 00:25:55,485 We did the ignition of the character on fire 501 00:25:55,487 --> 00:25:58,220 with a propane cannon, then I started 502 00:25:58,222 --> 00:26:00,355 stumbling around doing my acting, 503 00:26:00,357 --> 00:26:03,059 which I always love doing, and ultimately 504 00:26:03,061 --> 00:26:07,429 by the time I went down, because I was going 505 00:26:07,431 --> 00:26:09,565 by the feel of it, I had been on fire 506 00:26:09,567 --> 00:26:12,238 so long that the fuel is almost gone. 507 00:26:14,072 --> 00:26:17,372 I was on fire for 44 seconds which is, 508 00:26:17,374 --> 00:26:20,376 if you watch your watch for 44 seconds and 509 00:26:20,378 --> 00:26:23,111 imagine being completely engulfed in flames 510 00:26:23,113 --> 00:26:26,181 for that long, it's an incredibly long time 511 00:26:26,183 --> 00:26:29,852 and it set some kind of records at the time. 512 00:26:29,854 --> 00:26:32,421 To this day it's probably my favorite fire stunt. 513 00:26:32,423 --> 00:26:35,592 And not only is it an amazing on screen fire burn, 514 00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:38,628 it's a stunt done by someone who almost died 515 00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:41,630 from a fire burn, so it's really poetic. 516 00:26:41,632 --> 00:26:43,533 I mean you have to admit that in 517 00:26:43,535 --> 00:26:45,200 Friday the 13th Part Seven he gave 518 00:26:45,202 --> 00:26:47,169 one of the most spectacular full body 519 00:26:47,171 --> 00:26:49,007 burns you've ever seen in your life. 520 00:26:50,174 --> 00:26:52,976 This from a man who was burnt horribly. 521 00:26:52,978 --> 00:26:55,644 I always say that one of the best qualities 522 00:26:55,646 --> 00:27:00,182 to have as a stunt person is a common sense 523 00:27:00,184 --> 00:27:05,190 knowledge of physics where you think of 524 00:27:06,324 --> 00:27:07,489 a stunt and you anticipate what's 525 00:27:07,491 --> 00:27:09,458 gonna happen and what could go wrong. 526 00:27:09,460 --> 00:27:11,628 That's a huge attribute in the stunt 527 00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:13,929 business to think well what if this 528 00:27:13,931 --> 00:27:15,230 happens, then what are we gonna do? 529 00:27:15,232 --> 00:27:16,835 So then you prepare for that. 530 00:27:17,969 --> 00:27:20,969 Maybe I learned much more from my mistake, 531 00:27:20,971 --> 00:27:25,978 but at the time you have to protect yourself. 532 00:27:29,546 --> 00:27:32,247 Basically until the book came out 533 00:27:32,249 --> 00:27:34,987 I never admitted the real story. 534 00:27:37,689 --> 00:27:39,322 Because he knew for the first time 535 00:27:39,324 --> 00:27:41,994 ever he had to face the truth. 536 00:27:43,161 --> 00:27:44,593 He was embarrassed about it for years, 537 00:27:44,595 --> 00:27:46,996 he lied, he told stories to other people 538 00:27:46,998 --> 00:27:48,230 that it was on the set of this, 539 00:27:48,232 --> 00:27:51,301 on the set of that, he made up different 540 00:27:51,303 --> 00:27:54,437 situations how it happened, but no one knew. 541 00:27:54,439 --> 00:27:56,371 It was really this powerful moment with 542 00:27:56,373 --> 00:27:58,675 me and him when he finally decided he 543 00:27:58,677 --> 00:28:00,208 could tell the world and open up 544 00:28:00,210 --> 00:28:02,411 and tell the story and not be embarrassed 545 00:28:02,413 --> 00:28:04,080 about it anymore, that he's matured enough 546 00:28:04,082 --> 00:28:06,485 to face the facts and tell the full story. 547 00:28:17,128 --> 00:28:19,461 Since I had officially gotten into SAG 548 00:28:19,463 --> 00:28:22,465 and done a TV show, that's when I talked 549 00:28:22,467 --> 00:28:24,667 to this reporter and she said let's do 550 00:28:24,669 --> 00:28:26,669 a story about the local kid that's 551 00:28:26,671 --> 00:28:29,706 making his way in the stunt business. 552 00:28:29,708 --> 00:28:31,274 I'll give you some pictures and if you 553 00:28:31,276 --> 00:28:33,946 want I'll do a fire stunt for you live. 554 00:28:35,313 --> 00:28:37,045 She said really and I said sure, 555 00:28:37,047 --> 00:28:38,450 I've been doing it no problem. 556 00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:43,052 We went out, it was just her and I. 557 00:28:43,054 --> 00:28:45,188 We happened to pick a place that was, where I was 558 00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:48,992 doing the fire stunt, it was right next to a lake. 559 00:28:48,994 --> 00:28:51,060 Six feet away from the lake. 560 00:28:51,062 --> 00:28:54,030 But because it was the lake it was real windy. 561 00:28:54,032 --> 00:28:56,498 We did the stunt and I was on fire 562 00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:58,301 and I put myself out no problem. 563 00:28:58,303 --> 00:29:00,203 I knew that I wasn't gonna be happy with it 564 00:29:00,205 --> 00:29:02,071 because the wind was blowing so hard 565 00:29:02,073 --> 00:29:03,573 it was blowing the flames down, 566 00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:06,077 so I didn't think it looked as dramatic. 567 00:29:07,211 --> 00:29:08,544 Too bad I didn't just settle with it. 568 00:29:08,546 --> 00:29:10,079 So the next day they went to a 569 00:29:10,081 --> 00:29:11,781 different area in the desert, not near 570 00:29:11,783 --> 00:29:14,217 the lake, not near the water, he had 571 00:29:14,219 --> 00:29:16,486 no safety stuff with him, it was just him, 572 00:29:16,488 --> 00:29:19,354 his lighter, and the biggest mistake he did 573 00:29:19,356 --> 00:29:23,092 was he couldn't afford rubber cement at the time. 574 00:29:23,094 --> 00:29:24,761 Even though it was a few bucks he was broke 575 00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:26,329 trying to struggle in Hollywood. 576 00:29:26,331 --> 00:29:29,564 I said I ran out of glue, can you get me some. 577 00:29:29,566 --> 00:29:31,566 The reporter brought some from the 578 00:29:31,568 --> 00:29:33,101 office saying here you go, here's some rubber 579 00:29:33,103 --> 00:29:35,338 cement so you don't have to spend your own money. 580 00:29:35,340 --> 00:29:37,239 Having never used that brand before, 581 00:29:37,241 --> 00:29:40,376 Kane didn't realize how flammable it was. 582 00:29:40,378 --> 00:29:43,780 I got all prepped and ready and I 583 00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:47,483 went to light myself, which is normally, 584 00:29:47,485 --> 00:29:48,784 when I would do this you'd have to 585 00:29:48,786 --> 00:29:51,787 touch the glue with the flame to make it ignite. 586 00:29:51,789 --> 00:29:53,723 He put his arm out away from himself to 587 00:29:53,725 --> 00:29:57,159 be safe, and when he lit the match he ignited. 588 00:29:57,161 --> 00:29:59,364 Completely burst into flames everywhere. 589 00:30:02,734 --> 00:30:06,334 You always see stop, drop, and roll on TV commercials 590 00:30:06,336 --> 00:30:11,343 and stuff, and that's a nice theory, but the thing 591 00:30:12,610 --> 00:30:13,810 that people don't understand, unless you've 592 00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:16,411 been on fire, is that when your head is in 593 00:30:16,413 --> 00:30:20,349 the flames, and you can hear your hair burning 594 00:30:20,351 --> 00:30:21,650 and you can feel your face burning 595 00:30:21,652 --> 00:30:24,088 and your ears burning, you run. 596 00:30:25,222 --> 00:30:28,224 It's not the right thing to do, it's a reflex. 597 00:30:28,226 --> 00:30:30,293 And every person that I've ever talked to 598 00:30:30,295 --> 00:30:32,695 that's been burned seriously in the upper body 599 00:30:32,697 --> 00:30:34,700 says the same thing, they ran. 600 00:30:38,769 --> 00:30:41,169 As I'm running and burning, she doesn't 601 00:30:41,171 --> 00:30:43,840 realize I'm out of control and in trouble, 602 00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:45,874 so she keeps snapping pictures, and again, 603 00:30:45,876 --> 00:30:48,744 I don't blame her in the least for any of this, 604 00:30:48,746 --> 00:30:51,514 but she didn't realize until I started 605 00:30:51,516 --> 00:30:55,717 screaming probably that I was in trouble. 606 00:30:55,719 --> 00:30:58,588 Then I somehow got my wits about me and 607 00:30:58,590 --> 00:31:00,622 realized there was some kind of dampness 608 00:31:00,624 --> 00:31:02,592 on the ground, dove into there and rolled 609 00:31:02,594 --> 00:31:04,192 around and finally got myself put out. 610 00:31:04,194 --> 00:31:06,329 And when he finally was conscious enough 611 00:31:06,331 --> 00:31:08,397 to see the reporter, the reporter looked at 612 00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:11,300 him and that's when he knew how horrible it was. 613 00:31:11,302 --> 00:31:14,236 All my clothes that I had on were gone. 614 00:31:14,238 --> 00:31:17,640 My skin was falling off, I had mud all over me 615 00:31:17,642 --> 00:31:22,378 from the ground that was falling off with my skin. 616 00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:25,881 I knew I was in very very bad shape. 617 00:31:25,883 --> 00:31:28,583 She said let's go, we got in her jeep, 618 00:31:28,585 --> 00:31:31,486 we said we gotta get somewhere to get some help 619 00:31:31,488 --> 00:31:34,157 because this is very serious, my face 620 00:31:34,159 --> 00:31:36,361 was burned, everything, my hair was gone. 621 00:31:37,761 --> 00:31:39,762 We're driving in the jeep out of the desert 622 00:31:39,764 --> 00:31:42,598 and the first thing we see is a fire station. 623 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,499 I think oh perfect. 624 00:31:44,501 --> 00:31:46,268 We go there, we bang on the door, 625 00:31:46,270 --> 00:31:47,903 we try and get, nobody answers. 626 00:31:47,905 --> 00:31:49,738 So we got back in the car, we went to 627 00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:51,642 the first house we could get to. 628 00:31:56,881 --> 00:31:58,517 The photographer... 629 00:32:00,617 --> 00:32:02,351 Sorry. 630 00:32:02,353 --> 00:32:04,856 Photographer knocks on the door and a lady answers. 631 00:32:06,324 --> 00:32:09,926 And she looked at me terrified and says get in here. 632 00:32:09,928 --> 00:32:12,527 And I said what, she goes get in the shower, 633 00:32:12,529 --> 00:32:13,829 stand in my shower, I'll call the 634 00:32:13,831 --> 00:32:15,901 ambulance and they'll come and get you. 635 00:32:20,371 --> 00:32:21,603 I do that. 636 00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,690 As I walk through the house... 637 00:32:52,569 --> 00:32:53,404 Sorry. 638 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,410 As I walk through the house there's a little girl. 639 00:33:08,585 --> 00:33:12,021 Sitting on the floor playing and she was terrified. 640 00:33:12,023 --> 00:33:15,257 And I don't blame her, I mean the way I looked. 641 00:33:15,259 --> 00:33:16,728 She was scared to death. 642 00:33:32,876 --> 00:33:34,643 Kept looking out the shower, looking at 643 00:33:34,645 --> 00:33:37,882 my eyes thinking why does this not hurt yet. 644 00:33:40,384 --> 00:33:42,752 I was just astounded that I knew I was 645 00:33:42,754 --> 00:33:45,454 severely injured and there was no pain. 646 00:33:45,456 --> 00:33:48,794 But I kept waiting for something to start hurting. 647 00:33:50,027 --> 00:33:51,893 The ambulance finally came, I walked 648 00:33:51,895 --> 00:33:53,595 back out, the girl wasn't there anymore 649 00:33:53,597 --> 00:33:55,765 thank God 'cause I felt horrible. 650 00:33:55,767 --> 00:33:58,767 I felt worse for her than I did for myself. 651 00:33:58,769 --> 00:34:01,506 Was three years old or something, just scared to death. 652 00:34:03,908 --> 00:34:05,940 Got in the ambulance and sat up the 653 00:34:05,942 --> 00:34:08,511 whole time in the ambulance all the way there. 654 00:34:08,513 --> 00:34:11,379 As it turns out, when you burn that badly 655 00:34:11,381 --> 00:34:12,647 you burn the nerves completely off 656 00:34:12,649 --> 00:34:15,817 and there's no pain for a while. 657 00:34:15,819 --> 00:34:18,789 The next day it was incredible and didn't stop. 658 00:34:23,995 --> 00:34:26,962 That basically started the next 659 00:34:26,964 --> 00:34:30,802 six months of horrific torture. 660 00:34:32,636 --> 00:34:33,805 Can we cut for a second? 661 00:34:44,748 --> 00:34:46,915 Once the pain started after the 662 00:34:46,917 --> 00:34:50,819 initial shock wore off, it was so 663 00:34:50,821 --> 00:34:54,422 much more than I ever anticipated. 664 00:34:54,424 --> 00:34:57,092 So much worse than you can even imagine. 665 00:34:57,094 --> 00:35:00,631 The worst part of this was he had no painkillers in him. 666 00:35:01,765 --> 00:35:03,031 He didn't know at the time, but his father 667 00:35:03,033 --> 00:35:05,567 pulled aside the doctor and asked him 668 00:35:05,569 --> 00:35:07,002 not to give him any painkillers. 669 00:35:07,004 --> 00:35:08,636 And the doctor went along with that. 670 00:35:08,638 --> 00:35:11,005 I'm not sure why he didn't just say no, 671 00:35:11,007 --> 00:35:13,444 he needs pain medication to get through this. 672 00:35:14,946 --> 00:35:19,114 I had less medication than I should have had. 673 00:35:19,116 --> 00:35:20,850 And the reason for that was his father 674 00:35:20,852 --> 00:35:24,120 was in The War and he saw all his fellow 675 00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:26,755 soldiers who came back with injuries 676 00:35:26,757 --> 00:35:28,089 who got addicted to painkillers and he 677 00:35:28,091 --> 00:35:29,991 was scared that was gonna happen to Kane. 678 00:35:29,993 --> 00:35:31,893 And I know my dad was just trying 679 00:35:31,895 --> 00:35:33,395 to look out for my best interest, 680 00:35:33,397 --> 00:35:34,864 he didn't want me to become addicted 681 00:35:34,866 --> 00:35:36,832 to stuff, but that's something you have 682 00:35:36,834 --> 00:35:38,067 to worry about later, you have to get 683 00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:40,069 rid of the pain so you can heal. 684 00:35:40,071 --> 00:35:45,076 But the pain itself was so unbelievably tremendous. 685 00:35:50,047 --> 00:35:52,480 I got to the hospital and I didn't 686 00:35:52,482 --> 00:35:54,683 know anything about what is the 687 00:35:54,685 --> 00:35:57,453 proper way to take care of burns. 688 00:35:57,455 --> 00:35:59,922 And neither did my parents, so whatever 689 00:35:59,924 --> 00:36:02,891 the hospital did for me we thought was good. 690 00:36:02,893 --> 00:36:04,893 I don't know how else to say it, 691 00:36:04,895 --> 00:36:07,730 they weren't equipped at all to take care 692 00:36:07,732 --> 00:36:11,536 of my injury, but they thought they were. 693 00:36:13,136 --> 00:36:14,969 My parents came in when they could 694 00:36:14,971 --> 00:36:18,410 and my dad walked in and left immediately. 695 00:36:19,576 --> 00:36:22,511 They could just see me from here up. 696 00:36:22,513 --> 00:36:24,513 My face was burnt, but not as badly as the 697 00:36:24,515 --> 00:36:26,982 rest of my body, so I didn't look that terrible. 698 00:36:26,984 --> 00:36:29,784 I didn't know until later, when he walked in, 699 00:36:29,786 --> 00:36:32,620 the smell that was in my room because of 700 00:36:32,622 --> 00:36:34,890 me being burned I guess brought back 701 00:36:34,892 --> 00:36:37,625 terrible memories of him during The War. 702 00:36:37,627 --> 00:36:38,726 He had to run out and he had to 703 00:36:38,728 --> 00:36:40,728 go to the bathroom and throw up. 704 00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:42,931 Then I remember my mom lifting up 705 00:36:42,933 --> 00:36:45,868 the sheet and looking at this arm and just 706 00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:48,536 started crying because it looked so terrible. 707 00:36:48,538 --> 00:36:50,940 It was very very hard for my parents 708 00:36:50,942 --> 00:36:55,947 to see their son in that situation. 709 00:36:58,248 --> 00:37:01,083 Because I was burned all in the upper body, 710 00:37:01,085 --> 00:37:03,752 I couldn't use my hands at all, so I 711 00:37:03,754 --> 00:37:07,255 couldn't go to the bathroom by myself, 712 00:37:07,257 --> 00:37:11,726 I couldn't even change the channel of the TV myself. 713 00:37:11,728 --> 00:37:14,830 It was a terrible way to have to live, 714 00:37:14,832 --> 00:37:19,837 especially since I was 22, when someone else 715 00:37:20,971 --> 00:37:24,973 has to help you take a piss or wipe your ass. 716 00:37:24,975 --> 00:37:27,775 It sounds funny, but it's very humbling. 717 00:37:27,777 --> 00:37:30,513 Then they would take me to what's called 718 00:37:30,515 --> 00:37:32,580 the Hubbard Tank, and they have 719 00:37:32,582 --> 00:37:34,250 to get rid of the dead tissue. 720 00:37:34,252 --> 00:37:36,851 Even when you're healing, dead tissue 721 00:37:36,853 --> 00:37:38,920 accumulates and it has to be removed 722 00:37:38,922 --> 00:37:41,257 so the fresh tissue can heal. 723 00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:42,991 So they would put him down in the basement 724 00:37:42,993 --> 00:37:45,127 because he would scream so loud they had 725 00:37:45,129 --> 00:37:47,161 to hide him from all the other patients. 726 00:37:47,163 --> 00:37:50,031 They would soak him in a bathtub, and then 727 00:37:50,033 --> 00:37:52,033 the doctor would take the back side of a scalpel. 728 00:37:52,035 --> 00:37:55,270 And scrape all of the burned area to get 729 00:37:55,272 --> 00:38:00,074 the material off that needed to be debrided. 730 00:38:00,076 --> 00:38:02,210 This is, again, when I couldn't even stand 731 00:38:02,212 --> 00:38:05,214 the vibration from somebody kicking my bed. 732 00:38:05,216 --> 00:38:06,817 Now you're gonna scrape it? 733 00:38:09,921 --> 00:38:13,288 There is no way I can ever express 734 00:38:13,290 --> 00:38:15,160 the amount of pain there was. 735 00:38:20,665 --> 00:38:22,163 They did a skin graft surgery and they 736 00:38:22,165 --> 00:38:26,902 splinted my arms straight out like this. 737 00:38:26,904 --> 00:38:29,038 From my body, I couldn't move because 738 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,638 they wanted the skin to take, and when 739 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,906 you do skin grafts you need to be 740 00:38:31,908 --> 00:38:35,076 motionless so, it has to be your own skin, 741 00:38:35,078 --> 00:38:38,013 and it can adhere and start growing to your body. 742 00:38:38,015 --> 00:38:40,815 It's taken from a healthy area, my legs, 743 00:38:40,817 --> 00:38:43,085 put on the burned area, and hopefully 744 00:38:43,087 --> 00:38:46,922 grows into it and helps cover up the burn. 745 00:38:46,924 --> 00:38:49,257 As I'm barely conscious coming out of 746 00:38:49,259 --> 00:38:54,265 the O.R., going back to my room, they realize 747 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,933 I can't get in my fucking room because 748 00:38:57,935 --> 00:38:59,734 my arms are like this, I'm too wide 749 00:38:59,736 --> 00:39:02,937 to go through the doorway to my room. 750 00:39:02,939 --> 00:39:05,975 Now I have to, just after waking up 751 00:39:05,977 --> 00:39:08,310 from major surgery, have to stand up 752 00:39:08,312 --> 00:39:12,313 like this, walk into my room, wait for 753 00:39:12,315 --> 00:39:14,216 them to bring the bed in, and then 754 00:39:14,218 --> 00:39:16,685 get back in my bed, which I thought 755 00:39:16,687 --> 00:39:18,654 was the most asinine thing you could 756 00:39:18,656 --> 00:39:20,388 ever do, not look ahead to that? 757 00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:22,290 You couldn't see that coming? 758 00:39:22,292 --> 00:39:24,393 That was just one of the first days and 759 00:39:24,395 --> 00:39:26,698 that was an indicator of what was to come. 760 00:39:28,698 --> 00:39:30,966 I was in that hospital four months, 761 00:39:30,968 --> 00:39:34,002 consistently getting worse every day. 762 00:39:34,004 --> 00:39:36,205 Trying skin grafts that didn't work. 763 00:39:36,207 --> 00:39:37,406 One of the most important things with 764 00:39:37,408 --> 00:39:39,808 a burn injury is to keep a sterile 765 00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:41,913 environment around the patient. 766 00:39:43,247 --> 00:39:46,214 When I'm in a room with another person who has 767 00:39:46,216 --> 00:39:49,083 some other kind of problem, that's not sterile, 768 00:39:49,085 --> 00:39:51,288 and that's what happened in that hospital. 769 00:39:52,422 --> 00:39:53,788 And everyone had to scrub down to 770 00:39:53,790 --> 00:39:54,989 come in except for the doctor, the doctor 771 00:39:54,991 --> 00:39:56,792 would come through and not wash his 772 00:39:56,794 --> 00:39:58,159 hands, be wearing his tennis shoes, 773 00:39:58,161 --> 00:39:59,862 and just walk over and check Kane. 774 00:39:59,864 --> 00:40:02,698 I was amazed that he thought everybody 775 00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:05,870 else should do it, but he was above it. 776 00:40:07,203 --> 00:40:09,140 He shouldn't have been taking care of me at all. 777 00:40:15,046 --> 00:40:16,411 Unfortunately at that hospital they 778 00:40:16,413 --> 00:40:19,681 did very little correctly for me. 779 00:40:19,683 --> 00:40:22,917 There was such a long list of terrible 780 00:40:22,919 --> 00:40:25,254 things that happened as a result of being 781 00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:27,755 in that hospital that never should've happened. 782 00:40:27,757 --> 00:40:30,692 My veins started collapsing, now I have to 783 00:40:30,694 --> 00:40:34,328 submit to a needle in the vein in my groin. 784 00:40:34,330 --> 00:40:37,833 They put pins through my elbows 785 00:40:37,835 --> 00:40:39,301 and you can still see the scar. 786 00:40:39,303 --> 00:40:41,770 They would hold my arms up like this. 787 00:40:41,772 --> 00:40:44,906 When they took the pins out I couldn't put my arms down. 788 00:40:44,908 --> 00:40:46,708 Not being able to sleep, and then when 789 00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:49,111 you finally do doze off I would twitch. 790 00:40:49,113 --> 00:40:52,380 That happened every single time I would doze off. 791 00:40:52,382 --> 00:40:55,183 And I lost my voice completely. 792 00:40:55,185 --> 00:40:58,453 Put a feeding tube through my nose into my stomach. 793 00:40:58,455 --> 00:41:00,188 I had a catheter for a while. 794 00:41:00,190 --> 00:41:03,225 Gained and lost 50 pounds in five days. 795 00:41:03,227 --> 00:41:06,127 Seven skin graft surgeries. 796 00:41:06,129 --> 00:41:09,130 They kept doing the procedures and it wouldn't work. 797 00:41:09,132 --> 00:41:12,870 And I didn't have any health insurance. 798 00:41:13,971 --> 00:41:16,739 If I read it in a book, I would read it 799 00:41:16,741 --> 00:41:20,208 and say this can't be true, he's exaggerating. 800 00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:24,279 To make it sound more horrific than it was. 801 00:41:24,281 --> 00:41:27,482 That can't all be true, and unfortunately it was. 802 00:41:27,484 --> 00:41:30,018 And it's a horrifying story. 803 00:41:30,020 --> 00:41:34,089 It's bad enough being burned obviously, 804 00:41:34,091 --> 00:41:36,024 but all the other things that went wrong, 805 00:41:36,026 --> 00:41:38,761 I mean it couldn't have been worse. 806 00:41:38,763 --> 00:41:41,833 Bottom line is after four months 807 00:41:42,832 --> 00:41:47,136 that doctor told my parents that 808 00:41:47,138 --> 00:41:51,038 I had a staph infection and it 809 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,843 doesn't look like I'm gonna make it. 810 00:41:54,111 --> 00:41:56,377 My parents are like what do you mean? 811 00:41:56,379 --> 00:41:58,813 After four months he's gonna die from the burns? 812 00:41:58,815 --> 00:42:00,516 'Cause typically if you die as 813 00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:03,118 a result of being burned it's early. 814 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,489 You don't get through the first week. 815 00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:10,058 You don't die four months later usually. 816 00:42:10,060 --> 00:42:12,995 They were astounded that he was saying that. 817 00:42:12,997 --> 00:42:14,862 Then he said we're gonna ship him 818 00:42:14,864 --> 00:42:17,102 to a burn unit in San Francisco. 819 00:42:18,502 --> 00:42:23,507 My dad was wait, burn unit, we didn't know what it was. 820 00:42:24,841 --> 00:42:25,940 He said what's that and he said it's a 821 00:42:25,942 --> 00:42:28,210 place that specializes in burn care. 822 00:42:28,212 --> 00:42:30,846 And my dad almost killed the fucking guy by saying 823 00:42:30,848 --> 00:42:34,352 why did you not send him there in the first place? 824 00:42:37,321 --> 00:42:40,054 I get to San Francisco, the Bothin Burn Center 825 00:42:40,056 --> 00:42:45,062 in Saint Francis Hospital and everything changed. 826 00:42:46,196 --> 00:42:47,596 At that time it was the best burn center 827 00:42:47,598 --> 00:42:49,531 west of the Mississippi River. 828 00:42:49,533 --> 00:42:52,266 It was a real first class burn center. 829 00:42:52,268 --> 00:42:55,270 We had attendings, resident doctors and nurses, 830 00:42:55,272 --> 00:42:58,172 they all devoted their time to 831 00:42:58,174 --> 00:43:01,210 treating burn patients specifically. 832 00:43:01,212 --> 00:43:03,045 My doctors were different, this was 833 00:43:03,047 --> 00:43:05,147 a unit that was self-enclosed. 834 00:43:05,149 --> 00:43:07,348 We have our own O.R., we do all our 835 00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:10,018 treatments here, we have hydrotherapy. 836 00:43:10,020 --> 00:43:12,286 That was built in 1967. 837 00:43:12,288 --> 00:43:14,121 The other thing that the burn unit 838 00:43:14,123 --> 00:43:18,159 had to deal with was that I was in bed 839 00:43:18,161 --> 00:43:20,962 at the first hospital for four months, 840 00:43:20,964 --> 00:43:23,198 never being able to sit in any 841 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,234 other position other than maybe 842 00:43:25,236 --> 00:43:27,301 recline a little bit or sit up a 843 00:43:27,303 --> 00:43:31,005 little bit, but I was always on my back. 844 00:43:31,007 --> 00:43:36,013 So consequently I had two really bad bedsores on my back. 845 00:43:37,114 --> 00:43:38,480 The burn unit had to deal with all that too, 846 00:43:38,482 --> 00:43:40,248 they had to get rid of the bedsores, 847 00:43:40,250 --> 00:43:42,583 they had to get rid of the staph infection, 848 00:43:42,585 --> 00:43:45,087 they had to get me skin grafted 849 00:43:45,089 --> 00:43:48,957 and get my weight up, and they 850 00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:52,127 did all of that in six weeks. 851 00:43:52,129 --> 00:43:53,495 Whereas the first hospital took 852 00:43:53,497 --> 00:43:56,935 four months to get me to that horrible position. 853 00:43:58,102 --> 00:43:59,268 If I had been in the burn unit from 854 00:43:59,270 --> 00:44:01,270 the beginning I probably would've 855 00:44:01,272 --> 00:44:03,107 been in there four weeks total. 856 00:44:05,075 --> 00:44:09,377 What stayed the same from when I started 35 years ago 857 00:44:09,379 --> 00:44:14,384 today is the patience that it takes for everybody, 858 00:44:15,518 --> 00:44:18,252 the caregivers, the patient, the families. 859 00:44:18,254 --> 00:44:20,455 The body heals only at a certain rate. 860 00:44:20,457 --> 00:44:25,462 The caring part, the support that these people need, 861 00:44:26,596 --> 00:44:29,330 is exactly the same through the years. 862 00:44:29,332 --> 00:44:30,601 That hasn't changed. 863 00:44:32,169 --> 00:44:35,603 I started getting a more positive attitude 864 00:44:35,605 --> 00:44:38,540 because this place is state of the art, 865 00:44:38,542 --> 00:44:42,145 even back then, for burn care. 866 00:44:43,279 --> 00:44:47,181 Then that's when the depression sets in. 867 00:44:47,183 --> 00:44:50,287 Because at the beginning you're just trying to survive. 868 00:44:51,422 --> 00:44:54,556 Now that you know you're gonna survive, 869 00:44:54,558 --> 00:44:57,591 now you deal with the fact that for 870 00:44:57,593 --> 00:44:59,161 the rest of your life you're gonna 871 00:44:59,163 --> 00:45:02,263 have that visual reminder, which is the scars. 872 00:45:02,265 --> 00:45:04,065 The biggest misconception is 873 00:45:04,067 --> 00:45:05,502 that it's just about the skin. 874 00:45:06,536 --> 00:45:08,303 It's not just about the skin. 875 00:45:08,305 --> 00:45:11,375 Major burns affect every system of the body. 876 00:45:12,509 --> 00:45:15,409 It affects the immune system, it often affects 877 00:45:15,411 --> 00:45:18,714 the lungs if they're burned in an enclosed space. 878 00:45:18,716 --> 00:45:22,016 It affects the GI tract, it affects every 879 00:45:22,018 --> 00:45:24,319 system of the body, and also I think 880 00:45:24,321 --> 00:45:26,721 a lot of people underestimate the 881 00:45:26,723 --> 00:45:29,459 psychosocial recovery of burns. 882 00:45:40,337 --> 00:45:43,237 I didn't let anybody come and visit me really, 883 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,708 just immediate family and that was it. 884 00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:48,377 I actually wanted to go out and see him, 885 00:45:48,379 --> 00:45:53,214 but he didn't want any visitors, and I respected that. 886 00:45:53,216 --> 00:45:56,520 But it was scary. 887 00:45:59,756 --> 00:46:04,962 I just didn't want my close friends to see me like that. 888 00:46:10,701 --> 00:46:15,203 It's the weirdest thing, the things your mind go through. 889 00:46:15,205 --> 00:46:18,172 I'm never gonna be able to take my shirt off again. 890 00:46:18,174 --> 00:46:20,107 People are always gonna stare at me. 891 00:46:20,109 --> 00:46:21,475 I'm gonna have scars for the rest of 892 00:46:21,477 --> 00:46:25,115 my life, limited movement, which I still have. 893 00:46:26,783 --> 00:46:31,521 I got very depressed even when I was getting better. 894 00:46:34,323 --> 00:46:37,658 I was laying in my bed depressed because there 895 00:46:37,660 --> 00:46:41,131 wasn't much to be happy about other than surviving. 896 00:46:43,132 --> 00:46:46,203 I looked at somebody come in to visit the nursing staff. 897 00:46:47,538 --> 00:46:49,538 Everybody had to gown up, when you go in the unit 898 00:46:49,540 --> 00:46:53,408 you have to put on everything to keep it sterile. 899 00:46:53,410 --> 00:46:54,576 Even visitors. 900 00:46:54,578 --> 00:46:56,681 This guy, who I didn't recognize, 901 00:46:58,549 --> 00:47:01,716 was at the nurse's station, and I'm 902 00:47:01,718 --> 00:47:03,618 watching him, he starts laughing 903 00:47:03,620 --> 00:47:06,554 and having a good old time, being happy, 904 00:47:06,556 --> 00:47:09,123 shaking hands with people and I was 905 00:47:09,125 --> 00:47:11,359 laying in there saying fuck you. 906 00:47:11,361 --> 00:47:13,862 You have no idea what I'm going through 907 00:47:13,864 --> 00:47:16,467 and you're fucking happy, I hated him. 908 00:47:19,303 --> 00:47:21,837 Truthfully I became somewhat, I guess you could 909 00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:24,806 say suicidal, because I didn't know 910 00:47:24,808 --> 00:47:27,174 if I wanted to live like this. 911 00:47:27,176 --> 00:47:29,544 I watched this guy laughing and having a good 912 00:47:29,546 --> 00:47:33,183 old time and thinking God, you are so lucky. 913 00:47:35,451 --> 00:47:38,420 He pulls up his sleeve of his gown, 914 00:47:38,422 --> 00:47:41,188 'cause he was warm or something, and I'm 915 00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:43,792 looking at him thinking oh wait a minute. 916 00:47:43,794 --> 00:47:45,462 He's got burn scars. 917 00:47:47,330 --> 00:47:49,598 This guy was in this unit. 918 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,766 He's a former patient that was in here, 919 00:47:52,768 --> 00:47:57,774 burned badly 'cause I could see his arm just like mine. 920 00:47:58,575 --> 00:48:00,141 And he's fucking happy. 921 00:48:00,143 --> 00:48:03,245 And I thought holy shit, this guy does 922 00:48:03,247 --> 00:48:05,783 know what I went through and he's happy? 923 00:48:07,151 --> 00:48:10,417 I thought holy, man, maybe there's 924 00:48:10,419 --> 00:48:12,319 something positive that'll come out of this. 925 00:48:12,321 --> 00:48:16,126 He completely turned my whole attitude around. 926 00:48:21,230 --> 00:48:23,431 So if he can do it, I can do it. 927 00:48:23,433 --> 00:48:24,833 Everything changed after that, 928 00:48:24,835 --> 00:48:27,301 everything started improving. 929 00:48:27,303 --> 00:48:29,437 That's the thing with a burn injury. 930 00:48:29,439 --> 00:48:31,772 If you're sitting and talking to somebody 931 00:48:31,774 --> 00:48:33,841 and they're telling you what to expect 932 00:48:33,843 --> 00:48:36,645 and you don't see burn scars on them, 933 00:48:36,647 --> 00:48:38,379 in your mind you're just thinking, 934 00:48:38,381 --> 00:48:40,748 you're not even listening because you don't know. 935 00:48:40,750 --> 00:48:43,652 But if you're sitting there with scars, 936 00:48:43,654 --> 00:48:47,221 I'll listen to you all day long because you do know. 937 00:48:47,223 --> 00:48:49,891 We do a burn support group once a month 938 00:48:49,893 --> 00:48:52,226 here in the burn center where we have 939 00:48:52,228 --> 00:48:54,295 patients come back for years to 940 00:48:54,297 --> 00:48:56,464 get that support from people who 941 00:48:56,466 --> 00:48:57,868 had been through it like them. 942 00:49:15,752 --> 00:49:18,687 It was an amazing experience that 943 00:49:18,689 --> 00:49:22,524 this guy completely, basically saved 944 00:49:22,526 --> 00:49:24,792 my life a second time without even 945 00:49:24,794 --> 00:49:27,531 knowing it, and never never knew his name. 946 00:49:38,507 --> 00:49:41,509 It seems like this was the angle. 947 00:49:41,511 --> 00:49:42,911 Right here. 948 00:49:42,913 --> 00:49:45,679 It was bigger than this, it went out a little farther. 949 00:49:45,681 --> 00:49:48,618 The beds were this way, not this way. 950 00:49:49,652 --> 00:49:50,518 Right. 951 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,886 We were like this. 952 00:49:51,888 --> 00:49:52,757 He was here. 953 00:49:54,323 --> 00:49:57,761 I guess that could've been the angle I was looking at. 954 00:50:03,533 --> 00:50:06,801 Yeah, I think that was my room. 955 00:50:06,803 --> 00:50:10,373 My biggest goal was to get home for Christmas. 956 00:50:11,674 --> 00:50:14,842 Just to be out of the hospital and home for Christmas. 957 00:50:14,844 --> 00:50:17,547 My doctor's name was Angelo Capozzi. 958 00:50:20,616 --> 00:50:24,518 He was okay with sending me home 959 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,987 really before I should've gone home. 960 00:50:26,989 --> 00:50:28,989 Well I think as we've become more 961 00:50:28,991 --> 00:50:32,393 knowledgeable about taking care of burn patients, 962 00:50:32,395 --> 00:50:34,362 I think it's one of the physician's 963 00:50:34,364 --> 00:50:36,901 duties to keep the patient comfortable. 964 00:50:38,368 --> 00:50:40,701 He allowed me to go home with the 965 00:50:40,703 --> 00:50:43,437 training that he gave my mother for my, 966 00:50:43,439 --> 00:50:48,411 I had slight open wounds all over, but small ones. 967 00:50:49,513 --> 00:50:50,745 Because it was in-between where the 968 00:50:50,747 --> 00:50:52,649 skin grafts were that hadn't quite healed yet. 969 00:50:53,817 --> 00:50:56,784 He knew what I had been through, decided he 970 00:50:56,786 --> 00:50:59,991 was okay with me going home on December 23rd. 971 00:51:10,067 --> 00:51:13,804 I haven't seen Dr. Capozzi in 39 years. 972 00:51:15,471 --> 00:51:16,571 Hey doc. 973 00:51:16,573 --> 00:51:17,438 How are you? 974 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,772 I'm great, I'm great. 975 00:51:18,774 --> 00:51:19,808 Been a long time. 976 00:51:19,810 --> 00:51:20,911 Yes it has. 977 00:51:21,977 --> 00:51:23,411 39 years. 978 00:51:23,413 --> 00:51:24,645 Yeah. 979 00:51:24,647 --> 00:51:26,980 This area was some of my worst, you can see. 980 00:51:26,982 --> 00:51:28,783 It was really quite deep there. 981 00:51:28,785 --> 00:51:30,353 I know, but it looks great. 982 00:51:31,855 --> 00:51:33,355 That's the only bad part still. 983 00:51:33,357 --> 00:51:35,022 A little tight, but if you can 984 00:51:35,024 --> 00:51:36,424 get along with that, I mean that's fine. 985 00:51:36,426 --> 00:51:39,993 I never really got to tell you thank you. 986 00:51:39,995 --> 00:51:42,830 Because you saved my life, there's no, 987 00:51:42,832 --> 00:51:44,598 I'm not trying to be dramatic 'cause 988 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,500 everybody knows I don't do that. 989 00:51:46,502 --> 00:51:47,835 You saved my life and don't try 990 00:51:47,837 --> 00:51:49,870 and be fucking humble about it please. 991 00:51:49,872 --> 00:51:50,739 Because... 992 00:51:50,741 --> 00:51:51,638 Strike that. 993 00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:55,442 I would like to say thank you for everything you did. 994 00:51:55,444 --> 00:51:56,444 You're very welcome. 995 00:51:56,446 --> 00:51:57,612 I really appreciate that. 996 00:51:57,614 --> 00:51:58,849 I went on to have a great life. 997 00:52:22,605 --> 00:52:26,009 I think it's very interesting that I never 998 00:52:27,477 --> 00:52:31,645 developed a fear of fire considering it 999 00:52:31,647 --> 00:52:33,882 almost killed me and I understand 1000 00:52:33,884 --> 00:52:38,018 how terrifying it is to be on fire. 1001 00:52:38,020 --> 00:52:39,620 You would think the last thing I'd 1002 00:52:39,622 --> 00:52:42,790 ever wanna do is be on fire again, 1003 00:52:42,792 --> 00:52:44,692 but another friend of mine that 1004 00:52:44,694 --> 00:52:47,462 gave me a lot of good stunt jobs 1005 00:52:47,464 --> 00:52:51,565 named B.J. Davis, was doing a movie 1006 00:52:51,567 --> 00:52:54,939 in New Orleans called Avenging Force. 1007 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:57,938 I had worked a little bit with him, 1008 00:52:57,940 --> 00:53:00,208 we had become friends, and he said 1009 00:53:00,210 --> 00:53:01,975 why don't you be one of the stunt guys 1010 00:53:01,977 --> 00:53:04,514 to come down for the entire shoot of the movie. 1011 00:53:06,482 --> 00:53:09,583 I was very happy to do that, hadn't done 1012 00:53:09,585 --> 00:53:13,187 much on location before. 1013 00:53:13,189 --> 00:53:17,591 So while I was in New Orleans, B.J. said, 1014 00:53:17,593 --> 00:53:20,060 I don't know how he knew that he 1015 00:53:20,062 --> 00:53:23,931 could ask me this, but he had a good 1016 00:53:23,933 --> 00:53:26,801 sense of my personality I guess, he said 1017 00:53:26,803 --> 00:53:30,737 we gotta do two full burns at the same time. 1018 00:53:30,739 --> 00:53:31,942 You wanna do one with me? 1019 00:53:33,810 --> 00:53:36,176 First I was like oh shit, I didn't 1020 00:53:36,178 --> 00:53:39,480 think anybody would ever ask me that, first of all. 1021 00:53:39,482 --> 00:53:40,748 Then I start thinking about it more 1022 00:53:40,750 --> 00:53:43,217 and I said you know what, he knows what I've 1023 00:53:43,219 --> 00:53:47,091 been through and he's confident in me doing it. 1024 00:53:48,225 --> 00:53:50,491 If he had said you probably don't 1025 00:53:50,493 --> 00:53:52,595 wanna do this, but there's a fire stunt, 1026 00:53:53,730 --> 00:53:55,230 but he didn't do it that way, I guess 1027 00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:57,899 he just did it the right way for me. 1028 00:53:57,901 --> 00:54:01,201 Just offer it to me without any hesitation. 1029 00:54:01,203 --> 00:54:04,038 If I don't wanna do it, fine, somebody else will do it. 1030 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,540 But ultimately I did the stunt with him. 1031 00:54:06,542 --> 00:54:10,143 B.J. comes flying out of a window on fire, 1032 00:54:10,145 --> 00:54:13,248 and I come out of the doorway on fire. 1033 00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:15,583 It was a full burn that I did again 1034 00:54:15,585 --> 00:54:18,589 for the first time since my accident. 1035 00:54:21,690 --> 00:54:22,723 I loved it. 1036 00:54:22,725 --> 00:54:26,127 I felt very comfortable, I see how, 1037 00:54:26,129 --> 00:54:28,996 when you do the proper setup, how easy 1038 00:54:28,998 --> 00:54:34,004 it is to do that stunt really, and I came 1039 00:54:35,138 --> 00:54:38,573 to the conclusion that I love doing fire. 1040 00:54:38,575 --> 00:54:41,174 It's very very surprising that a 1041 00:54:41,176 --> 00:54:45,879 burn survivor could even go near a fire again. 1042 00:54:45,881 --> 00:54:48,917 Doing that first fire stunt again was huge, 1043 00:54:48,919 --> 00:54:51,989 a huge step forward in forgetting about the past. 1044 00:55:01,830 --> 00:55:05,165 I met Kane when he was working 1045 00:55:05,167 --> 00:55:06,868 on a pictures with Wes Craven. 1046 00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:09,069 Called The Hills Have Eyes II. 1047 00:55:09,071 --> 00:55:12,040 I had doubled a character called The Reaper. 1048 00:55:12,042 --> 00:55:13,808 Was a stunt double for him, I was falling 1049 00:55:13,810 --> 00:55:16,044 through a skylight and riding a motorcycle 1050 00:55:16,046 --> 00:55:17,879 and doing some stuff around some fire. 1051 00:55:17,881 --> 00:55:20,681 He was a wonderful and interesting guy. 1052 00:55:20,683 --> 00:55:22,850 Clearly he was a guy that didn't 1053 00:55:22,852 --> 00:55:24,919 seem to be afraid of anything. 1054 00:55:24,921 --> 00:55:27,955 And I ended up doing every one of 1055 00:55:27,957 --> 00:55:30,725 Sean Cunningham's movies for quite 1056 00:55:30,727 --> 00:55:33,928 a while after that one, all the House movies. 1057 00:55:33,930 --> 00:55:35,763 Everything he did really. 1058 00:55:35,765 --> 00:55:40,167 I did the original Friday back in 1979, '80. 1059 00:55:40,169 --> 00:55:43,605 I was around for Friday Two and Friday Three, 1060 00:55:43,607 --> 00:55:45,205 but I was anxious to move on and 1061 00:55:45,207 --> 00:55:49,877 do some other things, so the series 1062 00:55:49,879 --> 00:55:53,080 proceeded for a while without me and then 1063 00:55:53,082 --> 00:55:57,820 we decided to do Friday the 13th Part Nine. 1064 00:55:58,922 --> 00:56:00,355 Fortunately the person that was hired 1065 00:56:00,357 --> 00:56:04,958 to direct, Adam Marcus, was a fan of mine 1066 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,828 as the character and immediately said 1067 00:56:06,830 --> 00:56:09,696 hey, I want him to play Jason again. 1068 00:56:09,698 --> 00:56:12,734 This is my third go around as Jason. 1069 00:56:12,736 --> 00:56:14,402 He just brought a certain kind of 1070 00:56:14,404 --> 00:56:17,404 consistency and flavor to the character 1071 00:56:17,406 --> 00:56:20,141 that the fans really responded to and I 1072 00:56:20,143 --> 00:56:24,245 would be mad if I were to think of replacing him. 1073 00:56:24,247 --> 00:56:26,848 The last shot of the movie, when I read 1074 00:56:26,850 --> 00:56:29,384 the script for the first time, it said 1075 00:56:29,386 --> 00:56:32,219 Jason's mask is laying on the ground 1076 00:56:32,221 --> 00:56:35,656 and Freddy's hand comes out of the ground 1077 00:56:35,658 --> 00:56:40,127 with the glove on and the sweater, and grabs 1078 00:56:40,129 --> 00:56:42,397 the hockey mask and pulls it into the ground 1079 00:56:42,399 --> 00:56:46,967 to set up for Freddy Versus Jason. 1080 00:56:46,969 --> 00:56:49,337 And I said okay, well I'll tell you 1081 00:56:49,339 --> 00:56:50,937 one thing right now, I'm gonna be 1082 00:56:50,939 --> 00:56:53,241 wearing that Freddy glove to do that shot. 1083 00:56:53,243 --> 00:56:55,009 Nobody else is gonna do it 'cause 1084 00:56:55,011 --> 00:56:56,743 Robert Englund is not gonna do it. 1085 00:56:56,745 --> 00:56:59,846 I did that shot, I was underneath the set, 1086 00:56:59,848 --> 00:57:02,917 pulled down the mask and pulled it into the set 1087 00:57:02,919 --> 00:57:06,723 thinking I was setting up for Freddy Versus Jason. 1088 00:57:09,459 --> 00:57:13,094 Back in 1983 I had a meeting with Wes Craven 1089 00:57:13,096 --> 00:57:17,401 and he said I'm developing a new character. 1090 00:57:19,201 --> 00:57:21,171 He's gonna have burn scars. 1091 00:57:22,772 --> 00:57:25,772 I'm thinking about using somebody with real burn scars. 1092 00:57:25,774 --> 00:57:27,910 And I said wow, that's great. 1093 00:57:29,745 --> 00:57:31,344 What kind of character, well he's 1094 00:57:31,346 --> 00:57:35,352 not a really nice guy, he's a pedophile. 1095 00:57:36,386 --> 00:57:39,053 I said okay, and with burn scars, 1096 00:57:39,055 --> 00:57:42,056 and his name is Fred Krueger. 1097 00:57:42,058 --> 00:57:43,725 Wes Craven was a friend of mine, I did 1098 00:57:43,727 --> 00:57:46,194 a series with Wes Craven and I know that, 1099 00:57:46,196 --> 00:57:47,395 I think there was a time when he was 1100 00:57:47,397 --> 00:57:50,063 really considering Kane to play Freddy. 1101 00:57:50,065 --> 00:57:52,799 Obviously we know where this is all headed, 1102 00:57:52,801 --> 00:57:55,469 I did not play the character because he 1103 00:57:55,471 --> 00:57:58,473 decided to go with a more established actor 1104 00:57:58,475 --> 00:58:03,076 with prosthetics instead of real burn scars. 1105 00:58:03,078 --> 00:58:06,179 I think Robert did an amazing job as that character, 1106 00:58:06,181 --> 00:58:10,784 and obviously one of my horror heroes is Robert Englund. 1107 00:58:10,786 --> 00:58:11,853 How different life could've been 1108 00:58:11,855 --> 00:58:14,087 for everybody had that happened, 1109 00:58:14,089 --> 00:58:16,491 but I know that West thought very highly of him. 1110 00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:19,861 Well Kane and I, we go way back. 1111 00:58:19,863 --> 00:58:22,897 Robert and I have been friends for a long time. 1112 00:58:22,899 --> 00:58:24,998 We do conventions together of course. 1113 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,835 And we just hit it off because we both have to 1114 00:58:27,837 --> 00:58:31,806 go through a lot of the same off-screen fan stuff. 1115 00:58:31,808 --> 00:58:32,940 Give it up for Kane Hodder and 1116 00:58:32,942 --> 00:58:34,241 Robert Englund, ladies and gentlemen! 1117 00:58:34,243 --> 00:58:35,942 When I started in this business, 1118 00:58:35,944 --> 00:58:38,980 never anticipated ever signing an autograph. 1119 00:58:38,982 --> 00:58:40,882 You loved it the first time that goth girl 1120 00:58:40,884 --> 00:58:43,150 walked up to you and went sign me, Kane! 1121 00:58:44,853 --> 00:58:46,453 But we have worked together also 1122 00:58:46,455 --> 00:58:48,089 which was a lot of fun for me. 1123 00:58:48,091 --> 00:58:53,096 I had done a web series with Robert called Fear Clinic. 1124 00:58:56,399 --> 00:58:57,832 Well Fear Clinic's where Kane and I 1125 00:58:57,834 --> 00:59:00,234 got to do most of our work together. 1126 00:59:00,236 --> 00:59:03,069 That's really where we found our vibe 1127 00:59:03,071 --> 00:59:05,306 as actors together 'cause we were really, 1128 00:59:05,308 --> 00:59:08,275 we had a lot of scenes between us. 1129 00:59:08,277 --> 00:59:11,112 I'm taking you down before you kill anymore patients. 1130 00:59:11,114 --> 00:59:14,281 I'm not fond of this new attitude of yours. 1131 00:59:14,283 --> 00:59:15,949 Clearly you don't understand the 1132 00:59:15,951 --> 00:59:18,451 employee/employer relationship. 1133 00:59:18,453 --> 00:59:20,020 Now help him! 1134 00:59:20,022 --> 00:59:21,888 Yeah, blah blah blah, I know, 1135 00:59:21,890 --> 00:59:24,257 I got the body, you got the brains. 1136 00:59:24,259 --> 00:59:26,259 It was fun working together. 1137 00:59:26,261 --> 00:59:27,862 It's cool to have pictures of him 1138 00:59:27,864 --> 00:59:32,232 face to face arguing without makeups on. 1139 00:59:32,234 --> 00:59:36,203 Really Freddy versus Jason in a different way. 1140 00:59:36,205 --> 00:59:38,406 There was still this pressing, 1141 00:59:38,408 --> 00:59:42,243 my pressing need to go ahead with Freddy/Jason. 1142 00:59:42,245 --> 00:59:46,913 And still, because New Line and Robert Englund 1143 00:59:46,915 --> 00:59:50,484 and some other issues, we couldn't do that, 1144 00:59:50,486 --> 00:59:53,554 at least not yet, and so that's what led 1145 00:59:53,556 --> 00:59:58,562 us to Jason X, or Jason in Space. 1146 00:59:59,629 --> 01:00:01,429 It seemed like a really good idea and was 1147 01:00:01,431 --> 01:00:03,630 a really fun notion to try to figure 1148 01:00:03,632 --> 01:00:05,866 out how we would do all of that. 1149 01:00:05,868 --> 01:00:08,268 The sets were amazing and the 1150 01:00:08,270 --> 01:00:12,440 movie was pretty clever I thought. 1151 01:00:12,442 --> 01:00:14,609 There was a part of the film where 1152 01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:16,978 somebody created a virtual reality 1153 01:00:16,980 --> 01:00:20,948 to try and slow Jason down, and all of a 1154 01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:25,955 sudden Uber Jason was back at Camp Crystal Lake. 1155 01:00:27,089 --> 01:00:28,288 We're in space and we're looking for 1156 01:00:28,290 --> 01:00:30,091 all the kind of gags that we used 1157 01:00:30,093 --> 01:00:31,591 to do and that Jason's known for. 1158 01:00:31,593 --> 01:00:33,627 Basically this is just for the fans really, 1159 01:00:33,629 --> 01:00:36,364 the fans of the previous films. 1160 01:00:36,366 --> 01:00:39,232 I had a girl in a sleeping bag, 1161 01:00:39,234 --> 01:00:41,167 and I was slamming her against her 1162 01:00:41,169 --> 01:00:43,937 friend that was in her sleeping bag. 1163 01:00:43,939 --> 01:00:46,073 So killing them both with each other. 1164 01:00:46,075 --> 01:00:50,645 Redid the stunt that the fans so loved. 1165 01:00:50,647 --> 01:00:52,980 It was my idea to do one shot 1166 01:00:52,982 --> 01:00:56,386 to the tree just as a throwback. 1167 01:00:59,122 --> 01:01:01,221 It was just so silly. 1168 01:01:01,223 --> 01:01:02,623 My hands down favorite Jason kill 1169 01:01:02,625 --> 01:01:05,158 is the frozen head in Jason X where he 1170 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:06,661 lifts it up and then just shatters it. 1171 01:01:06,663 --> 01:01:08,962 Freeze the head in liquid nitrogen and smash it. 1172 01:01:08,964 --> 01:01:10,431 Liquid nitrogen and smashed on the table. 1173 01:01:10,433 --> 01:01:12,466 And then smashed it and he brain rolls out. 1174 01:01:12,468 --> 01:01:14,000 I thought that was great. 1175 01:01:14,002 --> 01:01:15,201 No one was expecting that and it 1176 01:01:15,203 --> 01:01:17,038 was just so gory and so crazy, and just 1177 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,672 the way he does it, just tosses 1178 01:01:18,674 --> 01:01:21,942 her aside, it's an awesome kill. 1179 01:01:30,620 --> 01:01:35,625 I got a call from an executive at New Line. 1180 01:01:36,725 --> 01:01:38,426 She wanted to have lunch with me. 1181 01:01:38,428 --> 01:01:41,027 She gave me a script called Freddy Versus Jason 1182 01:01:41,029 --> 01:01:43,596 and she said we're finally doing this movie. 1183 01:01:43,598 --> 01:01:47,969 And I said that is fantastic, I'm so happy to hear that. 1184 01:01:47,971 --> 01:01:52,943 I assumed at that time that meant I was doing the movie. 1185 01:01:54,310 --> 01:01:55,509 You're giving me the script and saying we're finally 1186 01:01:55,511 --> 01:02:00,050 doing this movie, pretty sure thing in my mind. 1187 01:02:01,183 --> 01:02:04,217 Then in the weeks that followed I started 1188 01:02:04,219 --> 01:02:08,723 getting a weird vibe from New Line. 1189 01:02:08,725 --> 01:02:11,025 Well I knew Kane. 1190 01:02:11,027 --> 01:02:14,194 I was told by the powers to be, for most 1191 01:02:14,196 --> 01:02:17,297 of that prep time it was always gonna be Kane. 1192 01:02:17,299 --> 01:02:22,002 Ultimately I was told that they had 1193 01:02:22,004 --> 01:02:25,373 hired somebody that played Jason before. 1194 01:02:33,515 --> 01:02:35,518 Then I found out it was Kirzinger. 1195 01:02:37,687 --> 01:02:42,692 I was like how is he having played the character before? 1196 01:02:44,060 --> 01:02:46,127 And then I remembered in Part Eight, 'cause they 1197 01:02:46,129 --> 01:02:48,462 didn't want me to take a chance of 1198 01:02:48,464 --> 01:02:51,732 getting hurt and not being able to work, 1199 01:02:51,734 --> 01:02:54,634 I was forced to allow Ken Kirzinger to do the 1200 01:02:54,636 --> 01:02:58,975 car hit where the cop car hits Jason in the alley. 1201 01:03:00,609 --> 01:03:03,044 Even though I've done that stunt many times, 1202 01:03:03,046 --> 01:03:04,678 they thought if you get a broken leg 1203 01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,147 or something we're in trouble. 1204 01:03:06,149 --> 01:03:08,783 It seems to me that someone, I don't think 1205 01:03:08,785 --> 01:03:10,784 it was him, I'm almost sure it wasn't him 1206 01:03:10,786 --> 01:03:13,353 because I've talked about it with him, 1207 01:03:13,355 --> 01:03:15,790 but someone had represented him 1208 01:03:15,792 --> 01:03:18,759 as having played the character also. 1209 01:03:18,761 --> 01:03:21,127 Based on that shot. 1210 01:03:21,129 --> 01:03:23,431 That was a done deal, he was already hired, 1211 01:03:23,433 --> 01:03:28,171 and I, to say the least I was devastated. 1212 01:03:29,571 --> 01:03:32,138 It's only a role, but it's something that 1213 01:03:32,140 --> 01:03:35,475 I had put my heart and soul into for 15 years, 1214 01:03:35,477 --> 01:03:40,483 four films in a row, and it seemed like... 1215 01:03:44,152 --> 01:03:45,288 None of that mattered. 1216 01:03:50,493 --> 01:03:54,527 I never in a million years would've 1217 01:03:54,529 --> 01:03:56,600 given them a reason to replace me. 1218 01:03:57,799 --> 01:03:59,567 By saying hey, I want this much money 1219 01:03:59,569 --> 01:04:01,101 and they just say oh can't afford that, 1220 01:04:01,103 --> 01:04:03,870 let's go somewhere else, then that's on me. 1221 01:04:03,872 --> 01:04:05,873 But I would never have given them any 1222 01:04:05,875 --> 01:04:07,708 kind of reason, I was never difficult 1223 01:04:07,710 --> 01:04:10,411 to work with, I was never late to the 1224 01:04:10,413 --> 01:04:13,880 set and undependable, nothing like that, 1225 01:04:13,882 --> 01:04:17,250 so I couldn't understand why I was replaced and 1226 01:04:17,252 --> 01:04:21,290 I don't think I'll ever know the real reason. 1227 01:04:23,526 --> 01:04:27,694 It was a very very low point of my career. 1228 01:04:27,696 --> 01:04:31,434 It was almost as low a point for me as getting burned. 1229 01:04:32,535 --> 01:04:35,839 Because I was never told any reason. 1230 01:04:37,205 --> 01:04:39,375 Took me a long time to get over that. 1231 01:04:57,426 --> 01:05:00,627 For almost 20 years he was Jason. 1232 01:05:00,629 --> 01:05:03,496 And in thousands of fans, upon millions 1233 01:05:03,498 --> 01:05:05,665 around the world, he is Jason, he always 1234 01:05:05,667 --> 01:05:07,902 will be Jason no matter if someone 1235 01:05:07,904 --> 01:05:11,272 else plays him more than once, or if he never 1236 01:05:11,274 --> 01:05:14,241 plays it again, he will always be the Jason 1237 01:05:14,243 --> 01:05:16,342 because he's the one that made him iconic. 1238 01:05:16,344 --> 01:05:19,149 That made him more than just a guy with a mask. 1239 01:05:27,924 --> 01:05:32,596 After the whole mess of not doing the 1240 01:05:33,728 --> 01:05:38,734 Freddy Versus Jason movie, I got contacted 1241 01:05:39,835 --> 01:05:43,807 by Adam Green about a new character 1242 01:05:44,940 --> 01:05:48,442 that he thought could be a franchise also. 1243 01:05:48,444 --> 01:05:52,679 Well my first project with Kane was the original Hatchet. 1244 01:05:52,681 --> 01:05:55,315 I was a huge fan of all the slashers. 1245 01:05:55,317 --> 01:05:58,284 Michael Myers, Jason Voorhees, Freddy Krueger, 1246 01:05:58,286 --> 01:06:01,955 and the concept of possibly having 1247 01:06:01,957 --> 01:06:04,391 Kane Hodder be Victor Crowley was 1248 01:06:04,393 --> 01:06:06,594 always just a pipe dream, and then 1249 01:06:06,596 --> 01:06:08,895 John Buechler who was doing the effects, 1250 01:06:08,897 --> 01:06:10,864 when he first suggested well why don't 1251 01:06:10,866 --> 01:06:15,835 I show the script to Kane, I was just like really? 1252 01:06:15,837 --> 01:06:16,971 Seriously? 1253 01:06:16,973 --> 01:06:18,839 'Cause I didn't think he'd wanna do it 1254 01:06:18,841 --> 01:06:20,643 just because he's already done it. 1255 01:06:21,743 --> 01:06:25,245 And he had been a fan of my work as Jason 1256 01:06:25,247 --> 01:06:29,549 and wanted to talk about playing 1257 01:06:29,551 --> 01:06:32,454 a character called Victor Crowley. 1258 01:06:35,390 --> 01:06:37,357 With Jason, he came into that so late 1259 01:06:37,359 --> 01:06:40,594 in the game, and as much as he's the Jason 1260 01:06:40,596 --> 01:06:42,962 as far as anybody who knows what they're 1261 01:06:42,964 --> 01:06:45,665 talking about with Friday the 13th goes, 1262 01:06:45,667 --> 01:06:49,002 this was a great opportunity, especially because 1263 01:06:49,004 --> 01:06:51,437 it's a very different character and 1264 01:06:51,439 --> 01:06:53,973 he's not hidden behind an emotionless mask. 1265 01:06:53,975 --> 01:06:56,743 I was somewhat excited because it was 1266 01:06:56,745 --> 01:06:59,346 similar to Jason, it was a character in makeup 1267 01:06:59,348 --> 01:07:04,353 that didn't speak and killed everyone he could reach. 1268 01:07:05,288 --> 01:07:08,922 That movie was very surprising. 1269 01:07:08,924 --> 01:07:11,292 It was very over the top. 1270 01:07:11,294 --> 01:07:14,627 It started like a comedy at first and then 1271 01:07:14,629 --> 01:07:16,964 suddenly it switches gears and it 1272 01:07:16,966 --> 01:07:20,333 turns into the most horrendous over the 1273 01:07:20,335 --> 01:07:22,069 top makeup effects extravaganza. 1274 01:07:22,071 --> 01:07:23,937 I mean I love that. 1275 01:07:23,939 --> 01:07:26,373 I think Adam purposefully didn't reveal 1276 01:07:26,375 --> 01:07:27,940 everything in the first movie so he 1277 01:07:27,942 --> 01:07:30,377 could give some more information over 1278 01:07:30,379 --> 01:07:32,645 the second one and ultimately answer 1279 01:07:32,647 --> 01:07:35,082 everything left in the third one. 1280 01:07:35,084 --> 01:07:36,683 That's pretty confident for a guy 1281 01:07:36,685 --> 01:07:39,053 that was unknown at the time to 1282 01:07:39,055 --> 01:07:40,721 assume that you're gonna get the 1283 01:07:40,723 --> 01:07:42,422 chance to tell your whole story 1284 01:07:42,424 --> 01:07:43,857 over the course of three films. 1285 01:07:43,859 --> 01:07:45,525 Kane was really one of the only people 1286 01:07:45,527 --> 01:07:48,362 who I said what the next two movies 1287 01:07:48,364 --> 01:07:50,730 were gonna be because I feel like if you're 1288 01:07:50,732 --> 01:07:53,701 gonna do a slasher series, you have to have 1289 01:07:53,703 --> 01:07:56,437 an endgame and you have to have things planned out. 1290 01:07:56,439 --> 01:07:58,538 The idea of just making one, and then 1291 01:07:58,540 --> 01:08:00,674 all of a sudden it performed, so now 1292 01:08:00,676 --> 01:08:02,542 you're gonna make another one, you can start 1293 01:08:02,544 --> 01:08:04,678 to tell as a fan they're just finding 1294 01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,513 their way with this and they're just 1295 01:08:06,515 --> 01:08:08,515 either repeating the same movie over again, 1296 01:08:08,517 --> 01:08:10,650 or they're making shit up, but I had a plan. 1297 01:08:10,652 --> 01:08:15,054 There were a lot of similarities to Jason with Victor. 1298 01:08:15,056 --> 01:08:16,957 And I did not wanna do the same thing, 1299 01:08:16,959 --> 01:08:19,696 I wanted to do more of a grotesque guy. 1300 01:08:21,697 --> 01:08:24,464 We did a demo appliance and the 1301 01:08:24,466 --> 01:08:28,602 prosthetics on top of him, and I did it 1302 01:08:28,604 --> 01:08:31,038 in such a way that it was risky because 1303 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,707 there was so much prosthetic on his face, 1304 01:08:33,709 --> 01:08:35,676 but I think it worked out pretty well. 1305 01:08:35,678 --> 01:08:37,910 Kane really gets into it and that's 1306 01:08:37,912 --> 01:08:41,448 why the characters he plays are memorable. 1307 01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:43,851 When you have a real actor behind these 1308 01:08:43,853 --> 01:08:48,621 prosthetics and makeup, it makes such a difference. 1309 01:08:48,623 --> 01:08:49,957 You can tell when it's somebody just going 1310 01:08:49,959 --> 01:08:51,658 through the motions and when it's a character. 1311 01:08:51,660 --> 01:08:53,427 There are a lot of actors that could have 1312 01:08:53,429 --> 01:08:55,661 simply thrown the makeup on and thrown 1313 01:08:55,663 --> 01:08:57,498 the prosthetics on and just getting 1314 01:08:57,500 --> 01:08:59,133 in front of the camera and going grrr like 1315 01:08:59,135 --> 01:09:01,735 Godzilla in a Godzilla suit or something like that. 1316 01:09:01,737 --> 01:09:04,937 He was, every night, in uncomfortable situations, 1317 01:09:04,939 --> 01:09:08,142 he was off taking it very very seriously, 1318 01:09:08,144 --> 01:09:11,145 so that when he came out and when he did 1319 01:09:11,147 --> 01:09:14,481 his performance, it had a lot of weight 1320 01:09:14,483 --> 01:09:17,851 behind it and it had a lot of realism. 1321 01:09:17,853 --> 01:09:19,186 I mean the character really seems 1322 01:09:19,188 --> 01:09:21,621 like a creature that's in pain. 1323 01:09:21,623 --> 01:09:23,423 And so the fact that he takes it so 1324 01:09:23,425 --> 01:09:25,592 seriously and does not want the 1325 01:09:25,594 --> 01:09:28,762 other actors to see him at all, so when 1326 01:09:28,764 --> 01:09:31,198 he's in the makeup he stays separate. 1327 01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:34,034 Whenever I'm playing a killer like 1328 01:09:34,036 --> 01:09:37,940 Jason or Victor or anyone really, 1329 01:09:39,974 --> 01:09:43,576 I like to fuck with the actors a little bit 1330 01:09:43,578 --> 01:09:48,585 for their performance being enhanced 1331 01:09:49,718 --> 01:09:50,950 and also just for my own entertainment. 1332 01:09:50,952 --> 01:09:52,619 The cast just didn't know anything 1333 01:09:52,621 --> 01:09:54,655 about him and never got to see him 1334 01:09:54,657 --> 01:09:56,923 or spend time with him, and I think 1335 01:09:56,925 --> 01:09:58,792 that made a huge difference because 1336 01:09:58,794 --> 01:10:00,793 that way what you see in the movie 1337 01:10:00,795 --> 01:10:03,230 when the cast sees Victor Crowley, that's their 1338 01:10:03,232 --> 01:10:05,932 first time seeing him and they were terrified. 1339 01:10:05,934 --> 01:10:08,000 What he'll do is as he's getting into 1340 01:10:08,002 --> 01:10:09,735 character you don't know where he is. 1341 01:10:09,737 --> 01:10:11,070 He's off in the woods somewhere and 1342 01:10:11,072 --> 01:10:14,007 you just hear him screaming or kicking trees 1343 01:10:14,009 --> 01:10:17,945 and just these bursts of rawr, rawr, 1344 01:10:17,947 --> 01:10:20,580 and the cast is terrified at that point. 1345 01:10:22,852 --> 01:10:24,817 So the cast is already convinced that 1346 01:10:24,819 --> 01:10:27,221 he's half crazy anyway, and by doing 1347 01:10:27,223 --> 01:10:29,589 things like that it just brings 1348 01:10:29,591 --> 01:10:31,225 so much more to their performance. 1349 01:10:31,227 --> 01:10:34,227 We would do some rehearsal sometimes without him. 1350 01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:36,098 B.J. McDonald would come out and say 1351 01:10:37,233 --> 01:10:38,832 so Kane's gonna come out from behind 1352 01:10:38,834 --> 01:10:41,034 the tree and when you see him squeeze off 1353 01:10:41,036 --> 01:10:43,136 a couple of shots, say your lines, 1354 01:10:43,138 --> 01:10:46,707 and run off in the other direction. 1355 01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:49,843 A lot of times the only time I saw Kane 1356 01:10:49,845 --> 01:10:52,012 on the set was when they would go action 1357 01:10:52,014 --> 01:10:55,982 and Victor Crowley would come out, be in frame, 1358 01:10:55,984 --> 01:10:57,918 scream something horrible at us, 1359 01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,218 and then I'd be running for my life. 1360 01:10:59,220 --> 01:11:00,753 And what was so funny about it is when 1361 01:11:00,755 --> 01:11:02,755 you don't do a lot of rehearsal with him, 1362 01:11:02,757 --> 01:11:04,958 he actually comes out of the pitch black, 1363 01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:06,496 out of the woods, and he scares the crap out of you. 1364 01:11:09,864 --> 01:11:10,731 Amanda! 1365 01:11:11,834 --> 01:11:14,700 There's an interesting connection about 1366 01:11:14,702 --> 01:11:17,070 having been through some violent acts 1367 01:11:17,072 --> 01:11:21,941 in my past and being able to recreate those on 1368 01:11:21,943 --> 01:11:26,045 film has to have helped somewhat because 1369 01:11:26,047 --> 01:11:29,650 that's what people say the most is when they 1370 01:11:29,652 --> 01:11:33,820 watch me kill somebody on film, it's so violent. 1371 01:11:33,822 --> 01:11:36,757 So it's like to become the ultimate badass. 1372 01:11:36,759 --> 01:11:39,226 I think it's a pretty interesting thing that 1373 01:11:39,228 --> 01:11:43,195 he picked up as a result of his background. 1374 01:11:43,197 --> 01:11:47,034 He got used to torment and agony and suffering, 1375 01:11:47,036 --> 01:11:50,971 and then he just started getting paid for it. 1376 01:11:50,973 --> 01:11:52,638 Good deal. 1377 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,776 When it comes to your death scene, it's not gonna be easy. 1378 01:11:55,778 --> 01:11:57,311 I'm not gonna hurt you, but it's not 1379 01:11:57,313 --> 01:12:00,646 gonna be comfortable either because 1380 01:12:00,648 --> 01:12:02,982 I like a little bit of realism. 1381 01:12:02,984 --> 01:12:05,017 Without fail the actor will say 1382 01:12:05,019 --> 01:12:07,053 goddamn, that was a little rough. 1383 01:12:07,055 --> 01:12:09,021 Then they see it on screen and they love it. 1384 01:12:09,023 --> 01:12:10,757 And they're happy we did it that way. 1385 01:12:10,759 --> 01:12:12,926 I've known him for 33 years now. 1386 01:12:12,928 --> 01:12:15,195 I always wanted him to kill me and finally that was 1387 01:12:15,197 --> 01:12:17,964 the thing where he sawed me in half with a chainsaw. 1388 01:12:17,966 --> 01:12:20,700 And I told the guy that was behind me, Coulton, 1389 01:12:20,702 --> 01:12:22,902 I said Coulton, he's gonna take a chainsaw 1390 01:12:22,904 --> 01:12:24,972 and stick it between our legs and lift us up 1391 01:12:24,974 --> 01:12:27,106 in the air and we're gonna get sawed in half. 1392 01:12:27,108 --> 01:12:29,241 He goes yeah I know, I said bring a cup. 1393 01:12:29,243 --> 01:12:33,946 And he goes why, I said I know Kane, bring a cup. 1394 01:12:33,948 --> 01:12:35,248 So Kane comes out, we're standing there 1395 01:12:35,250 --> 01:12:38,852 and he goes waff, lifts us up in the air. 1396 01:12:38,854 --> 01:12:40,219 And as soon as we're done Coulton's 1397 01:12:40,221 --> 01:12:42,222 like this, he goes thank you. 1398 01:12:43,692 --> 01:12:45,060 So yeah, Kane plays hard. 1399 01:12:47,662 --> 01:12:49,061 You would think that would be enough, 1400 01:12:49,063 --> 01:12:52,231 but then there's the pranks which I'm just 1401 01:12:52,233 --> 01:12:54,700 as guilty off because I love doing it as well. 1402 01:12:54,702 --> 01:12:59,138 Adam and I decided that it might be fun to scare Mercedes. 1403 01:12:59,140 --> 01:13:01,842 Mercedes McNab, on the first Hatchet, 1404 01:13:01,844 --> 01:13:03,709 started to complain after a while. 1405 01:13:03,711 --> 01:13:05,945 Well everybody else has been pranked and Kane 1406 01:13:05,947 --> 01:13:08,347 scared them, but nobody's done anything to me. 1407 01:13:08,349 --> 01:13:10,784 I was like, we were already planning it, 1408 01:13:10,786 --> 01:13:13,320 but I'm like now you're just asking for it. 1409 01:13:13,322 --> 01:13:16,390 So in the full Victor Crowley getup Kane 1410 01:13:16,392 --> 01:13:19,159 snuck into her trailer and just stood 1411 01:13:19,161 --> 01:13:21,994 in the bathroom in the dark for a good 1412 01:13:21,996 --> 01:13:25,432 20, 25 minutes, and just waited for her. 1413 01:13:25,434 --> 01:13:27,901 Then Joel David Moore had a camera 1414 01:13:27,903 --> 01:13:29,436 that day on set where he was just 1415 01:13:29,438 --> 01:13:32,039 documenting his day, and so they go 1416 01:13:32,041 --> 01:13:34,106 into Mercedes' trailer and Joel's 1417 01:13:34,108 --> 01:13:36,008 interviewing her, and when he says so 1418 01:13:36,010 --> 01:13:38,411 what was your favorite Victor Crowley moment. 1419 01:13:38,413 --> 01:13:41,013 Kane just comes bursting out of the bathroom. 1420 01:13:43,885 --> 01:13:45,285 Goddammit! 1421 01:13:45,287 --> 01:13:49,356 I scared the absolute shit out of her. 1422 01:13:49,358 --> 01:13:51,324 It was very funny. 1423 01:13:51,326 --> 01:13:53,893 I think she called me some names that I had never 1424 01:13:53,895 --> 01:13:56,232 been called before, so that was pretty creative. 1425 01:14:03,005 --> 01:14:04,771 What he wouldn't want you to know though 1426 01:14:04,773 --> 01:14:07,406 is that the things that he wants, like in 1427 01:14:07,408 --> 01:14:09,910 his trailer, are peanut butter and jelly 1428 01:14:09,912 --> 01:14:14,047 and DVDs of Saturday Night Live. 1429 01:14:14,049 --> 01:14:15,781 We would use code and be like oh bring 1430 01:14:15,783 --> 01:14:17,984 another dead baby to Kane's trailer, 1431 01:14:17,986 --> 01:14:20,052 or another bottle of Jack or whatever, but it's 1432 01:14:20,054 --> 01:14:21,487 really just peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. 1433 01:14:21,489 --> 01:14:24,359 He's a very simple guy when it comes to that. 1434 01:14:25,794 --> 01:14:28,328 My favorite Victor kill is one of the 1435 01:14:28,330 --> 01:14:30,329 goriest kills in the history of cinema where 1436 01:14:30,331 --> 01:14:34,901 he grabs the woman's mouth and rips it open. 1437 01:14:34,903 --> 01:14:36,936 Anybody can kill people with a gun, 1438 01:14:36,938 --> 01:14:39,806 but how many people can catch a woman 1439 01:14:39,808 --> 01:14:42,808 who's running away from them and put your 1440 01:14:42,810 --> 01:14:45,478 hands in her mouth and rip her head apart? 1441 01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:47,079 Now that's creative. 1442 01:14:47,081 --> 01:14:50,217 I like the more hands on creative things, 1443 01:14:50,219 --> 01:14:53,285 I mean that's my favorite kill that I've ever done. 1444 01:15:01,830 --> 01:15:03,496 Hysterical because when I started writing 1445 01:15:03,498 --> 01:15:06,799 Kane's biography, my aunt was like oh 1446 01:15:06,801 --> 01:15:08,134 who is this guy you're writing about, 1447 01:15:08,136 --> 01:15:10,870 so she decided to watch Hatchet, and she's 1448 01:15:10,872 --> 01:15:12,239 never watched a horror movie pretty much 1449 01:15:12,241 --> 01:15:15,208 in her life, and she saw that scene and 1450 01:15:15,210 --> 01:15:17,843 threw up three times, and Kane thinks it's 1451 01:15:17,845 --> 01:15:19,445 the greatest thing in the world that someone 1452 01:15:19,447 --> 01:15:21,847 threw up because of a kill he had in a film. 1453 01:15:21,849 --> 01:15:26,052 It's fun as hell to have an effect like that one somebody. 1454 01:15:26,054 --> 01:15:27,987 I mean for me, knowing that Kane is our 1455 01:15:27,989 --> 01:15:30,390 stunt coordinator, I know I don't have 1456 01:15:30,392 --> 01:15:33,125 to worry about getting hurt, so I always say 1457 01:15:33,127 --> 01:15:35,829 if Kane's coordinating I'm doing my own stunts. 1458 01:15:35,831 --> 01:15:38,397 Unless Kane says you can't do this Dee, 1459 01:15:38,399 --> 01:15:40,803 is the only time that I won't do it. 1460 01:15:42,904 --> 01:15:44,937 When Adam first talked to me about 1461 01:15:44,939 --> 01:15:47,507 playing Victor, I asked him if I 1462 01:15:47,509 --> 01:15:51,945 could do something as another character 1463 01:15:51,947 --> 01:15:54,280 and show some emotion because I wanted 1464 01:15:54,282 --> 01:15:56,549 to show people that I could do something 1465 01:15:56,551 --> 01:15:59,855 other than just violently kill them. 1466 01:16:01,023 --> 01:16:03,423 So that's when he came up with the idea of the 1467 01:16:03,425 --> 01:16:07,427 father, he said let's have you play Victor's father. 1468 01:16:07,429 --> 01:16:09,061 I already believed that Kane 1469 01:16:09,063 --> 01:16:11,130 could play Victor Crowley's father, 1470 01:16:11,132 --> 01:16:15,468 so it's funny, he approached that as 1471 01:16:15,470 --> 01:16:18,038 let me prove to you that I can do this. 1472 01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:19,606 He was already cast, and I don't know 1473 01:16:19,608 --> 01:16:21,007 if I should admit that, but I 1474 01:16:21,009 --> 01:16:22,542 already believed he could do it. 1475 01:16:22,544 --> 01:16:24,210 Just sat there for almost 10 years 1476 01:16:24,212 --> 01:16:26,045 before he finally died of a broken heart. 1477 01:16:26,047 --> 01:16:29,015 And I think he surprised himself a few times, 1478 01:16:29,017 --> 01:16:32,052 but I just love that he's up for the challenge. 1479 01:16:32,054 --> 01:16:34,486 I mean we all draw from our own life experiences 1480 01:16:34,488 --> 01:16:37,257 and they help us become who we are and how we 1481 01:16:37,259 --> 01:16:40,125 deal with things and how willing we are to open up. 1482 01:16:40,127 --> 01:16:43,597 He got to be himself and not be covered in makeup. 1483 01:16:43,599 --> 01:16:48,805 And he cried on camera for real for the first time. 1484 01:16:49,971 --> 01:16:53,138 He was so inspired and moved by that. 1485 01:16:53,140 --> 01:16:56,343 He got out of monster stuntman, gonna do what 1486 01:16:56,345 --> 01:16:58,078 I know how to do and I'm gonna 1487 01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,045 literally take the mask off and 1488 01:17:00,047 --> 01:17:01,580 I'm gonna be vulnerable, and that's 1489 01:17:01,582 --> 01:17:03,083 something that I think is really 1490 01:17:03,085 --> 01:17:06,285 hard for a lot of people, especially a man, 1491 01:17:06,287 --> 01:17:08,221 and someone like Kane, so when he did 1492 01:17:08,223 --> 01:17:11,258 the scene he got a taste of the bug. 1493 01:17:11,260 --> 01:17:13,959 They say when you get the bug it's like a drug. 1494 01:17:13,961 --> 01:17:16,629 So it worked out very well, that started 1495 01:17:16,631 --> 01:17:19,132 all the people thinking wait a second, 1496 01:17:19,134 --> 01:17:22,502 he can do something else, so let's try this. 1497 01:17:22,504 --> 01:17:24,372 That was the beginning of all of it. 1498 01:17:30,979 --> 01:17:32,611 Every time I see Kane at a convention, 1499 01:17:32,613 --> 01:17:34,647 of course we're always choking each other, 1500 01:17:34,649 --> 01:17:36,016 that's the first thing we do, 1501 01:17:36,018 --> 01:17:38,118 we just go over and choke each other. 1502 01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:39,285 He can really choke you. 1503 01:17:39,287 --> 01:17:41,021 He's like, Kane, we're just joking 1504 01:17:41,023 --> 01:17:42,489 around, you're like turning blue. 1505 01:17:42,491 --> 01:17:44,190 Kane definitely choked me one time, 1506 01:17:44,192 --> 01:17:47,326 he grabbed me, he's a tremendously powerful man 1507 01:17:47,328 --> 01:17:52,164 and his hands are large, so when he puts the grip 1508 01:17:52,166 --> 01:17:54,935 around your neck it's surprisingly tighter than 1509 01:17:54,937 --> 01:17:57,137 you think it's gonna be, so you're like 1510 01:17:57,139 --> 01:17:59,539 oh wow, that's fun, I can't breathe. 1511 01:17:59,541 --> 01:18:01,978 I'm known for choking people at conventions. 1512 01:18:03,278 --> 01:18:07,382 Anybody that's had me do it knows that I choke you for real. 1513 01:18:08,517 --> 01:18:10,950 I don't say it in a cavalier way, 1514 01:18:10,952 --> 01:18:13,186 it's just what I've become known for. 1515 01:18:13,188 --> 01:18:15,288 People love it and they love to bring 1516 01:18:15,290 --> 01:18:17,723 their friends who have never met me 1517 01:18:17,725 --> 01:18:20,427 because they can't wait to watch the reaction of 1518 01:18:20,429 --> 01:18:22,161 the person 'cause they've all been through it. 1519 01:18:22,163 --> 01:18:25,164 Watching people turn blue as he chokes them. 1520 01:18:27,269 --> 01:18:29,436 Yeah, they're a little unexpected. 1521 01:18:31,473 --> 01:18:33,306 I thought I was dying 'cause I was like I'm 1522 01:18:33,308 --> 01:18:36,075 fucking getting choked what's going on, holy shit. 1523 01:18:36,077 --> 01:18:38,445 Yeah, it does seem real, you can feel the 1524 01:18:38,447 --> 01:18:40,245 pressure of the hand grip around your neck. 1525 01:18:40,247 --> 01:18:41,414 It definitely felt real. 1526 01:18:41,416 --> 01:18:43,182 It felt real and it's awesome. 1527 01:18:43,184 --> 01:18:44,383 Does he ever choke you? 1528 01:18:44,385 --> 01:18:45,584 It hurts. 1529 01:18:45,586 --> 01:18:47,753 He choked me to death, I don't know. 1530 01:18:47,755 --> 01:18:49,254 I introduced Kane to my mom and 1531 01:18:49,256 --> 01:18:50,990 he's like come here, and he does it 1532 01:18:50,992 --> 01:18:53,994 and I'm just like that's my mom, Kane, stop! 1533 01:18:53,996 --> 01:18:54,931 She can't breathe! 1534 01:18:55,898 --> 01:18:58,063 I've been choked by Kane quite a few times. 1535 01:18:58,065 --> 01:18:59,065 It shocks you a little bit. 1536 01:18:59,067 --> 01:19:00,200 I guess that's the idea. 1537 01:19:00,202 --> 01:19:03,372 I was new to Kane's choking tricks. 1538 01:19:04,505 --> 01:19:06,740 Kane put his hands on mine and started 1539 01:19:06,742 --> 01:19:09,174 squeezing really hard and I realized 1540 01:19:09,176 --> 01:19:10,744 oh my God and there was nothing I could do 1541 01:19:10,746 --> 01:19:13,713 in terms of countering his power. 1542 01:19:13,715 --> 01:19:17,017 Kane was really choking and I panicked. 1543 01:19:17,019 --> 01:19:19,753 He'll grab someone, he'll grab them. 1544 01:19:19,755 --> 01:19:21,657 I mean you'll hear them go. 1545 01:19:23,325 --> 01:19:24,656 He really gets in there, I think he 1546 01:19:24,658 --> 01:19:28,227 enjoys actually scaring people for real. 1547 01:19:28,229 --> 01:19:30,262 He's the only one I've let choke me, so. 1548 01:19:32,300 --> 01:19:35,101 People love to get choked out by Kane Hodder. 1549 01:19:35,103 --> 01:19:36,201 I don't get it. 1550 01:19:36,203 --> 01:19:37,771 I don't understand. 1551 01:19:37,773 --> 01:19:39,204 It does nothing for me. 1552 01:19:40,675 --> 01:19:43,043 But I guess that's your chance to be 1553 01:19:43,045 --> 01:19:45,247 in a scene essentially with Jason. 1554 01:19:46,447 --> 01:19:48,647 Well my experiences with Kane are not 1555 01:19:48,649 --> 01:19:50,450 horror related, my experiences with 1556 01:19:50,452 --> 01:19:52,584 Kane are comedy related, and what a lot 1557 01:19:52,586 --> 01:19:56,321 of people don't know is that Kane is very funny. 1558 01:19:56,323 --> 01:19:58,191 He's a natural comic. 1559 01:19:58,193 --> 01:20:00,526 By the time we got to Holliston, I mean at 1560 01:20:00,528 --> 01:20:02,695 this point Kane doesn't even need to see 1561 01:20:02,697 --> 01:20:04,597 a script I don't think, I just say 1562 01:20:04,599 --> 01:20:07,366 oh hey, we're doing this, and he'll be like great. 1563 01:20:07,368 --> 01:20:11,538 He said he wanted me to play myself in it. 1564 01:20:11,540 --> 01:20:13,073 I thought that's interesting. 1565 01:20:13,075 --> 01:20:15,408 The idea of making fun of the whole 1566 01:20:15,410 --> 01:20:17,509 Kane losing the character of Jason 1567 01:20:17,511 --> 01:20:19,579 in Freddy Versus Jason thing and making 1568 01:20:19,581 --> 01:20:21,548 that a plot point and having him 1569 01:20:21,550 --> 01:20:23,816 own it and laugh at it and make 1570 01:20:23,818 --> 01:20:27,152 fun of it was huge, and for me 1571 01:20:27,154 --> 01:20:29,422 I was just like I hope he gets it. 1572 01:20:29,424 --> 01:20:31,857 And this was somewhat a touchy subject 1573 01:20:31,859 --> 01:20:35,094 not long before this, he said now I want 1574 01:20:35,096 --> 01:20:38,397 you to freak out and try to kill yourself 1575 01:20:38,399 --> 01:20:41,536 every time somebody says Freddy Versus Jason. 1576 01:20:42,703 --> 01:20:45,504 I was like wow, that is going into 1577 01:20:45,506 --> 01:20:48,508 an area that was once very sensitive to me, 1578 01:20:48,510 --> 01:20:52,715 but maybe it's time to make light of that. 1579 01:20:53,614 --> 01:20:54,780 That's exactly what we did. 1580 01:20:54,782 --> 01:20:57,150 Oh God. 1581 01:20:57,152 --> 01:20:57,816 Oh! 1582 01:20:58,620 --> 01:20:59,819 Hey. 1583 01:20:59,821 --> 01:21:01,353 He got it, and he realized hey, if I 1584 01:21:01,355 --> 01:21:03,690 do this, it goes away finally. 1585 01:21:03,692 --> 01:21:05,592 If I'm the one to stand here and 1586 01:21:05,594 --> 01:21:07,593 make jokes about it and be all pathetic 1587 01:21:07,595 --> 01:21:10,295 and try to kill myself anytime somebody says 1588 01:21:10,297 --> 01:21:13,799 Freddy Versus Jason, nobody can say anything anymore. 1589 01:21:13,801 --> 01:21:16,335 So I tried to make fun of it and 1590 01:21:16,337 --> 01:21:18,804 the fans responded to it, they respected 1591 01:21:18,806 --> 01:21:22,875 the fact that I could finally do that. 1592 01:21:22,877 --> 01:21:24,377 It was a fun thing to do. 1593 01:21:24,379 --> 01:21:26,247 I don't have any friends. 1594 01:21:27,349 --> 01:21:28,717 I'm not even Jason anymore. 1595 01:21:29,850 --> 01:21:31,884 Now I'm gonna get stuck doing shit 1596 01:21:31,886 --> 01:21:35,221 Friday the 13th ripoffs with wannabe young directors 1597 01:21:35,223 --> 01:21:37,824 that think they're making the next horror icon. 1598 01:21:37,826 --> 01:21:39,659 Nice ad-lib, dick. 1599 01:21:39,661 --> 01:21:40,826 You like that? 1600 01:21:40,828 --> 01:21:44,864 I've never had an acting class in my life. 1601 01:21:44,866 --> 01:21:49,537 I did do a stage production in high school. 1602 01:22:19,867 --> 01:22:22,569 I enjoyed performing, but I had never 1603 01:22:22,571 --> 01:22:24,937 been trained and still hadn't ever 1604 01:22:24,939 --> 01:22:27,675 had any formal acting training. 1605 01:22:28,843 --> 01:22:32,779 If I do in fact have any talent with acting it's 1606 01:22:32,781 --> 01:22:37,786 gotta be from watching quality actors work in person. 1607 01:22:42,724 --> 01:22:46,258 Did a movie called Monster with Charlize Theron. 1608 01:22:46,260 --> 01:22:48,897 I was the stunt coordinator on the movie. 1609 01:22:50,264 --> 01:22:52,432 I always say that was some of my best 1610 01:22:52,434 --> 01:22:54,700 acting training was watching her work. 1611 01:22:54,702 --> 01:22:56,602 I was on the set every day helping her through the 1612 01:22:56,604 --> 01:23:01,544 action stuff and watching her prepare and do scenes. 1613 01:23:02,644 --> 01:23:03,843 Then the director said you know, I think 1614 01:23:03,845 --> 01:23:05,381 I want you to play a cop in this movie. 1615 01:23:06,313 --> 01:23:08,548 I was like a cop, wow. 1616 01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:09,915 I'm always a bad guy, this is one of the 1617 01:23:09,917 --> 01:23:13,552 first times I've been asked to play a good guy. 1618 01:23:13,554 --> 01:23:15,754 I'm gonna be a cop, finally something good, 1619 01:23:15,756 --> 01:23:16,755 and she goes yeah, you're gonna 1620 01:23:16,757 --> 01:23:19,592 be undercover in a biker bar. 1621 01:23:19,594 --> 01:23:21,494 Oh, well there you go. 1622 01:23:21,496 --> 01:23:22,829 Same thing as always. 1623 01:23:22,831 --> 01:23:24,733 Two whiskeys, two beers for the lady. 1624 01:23:27,469 --> 01:23:28,901 I'm VG. 1625 01:23:28,903 --> 01:23:29,838 Come in here much? 1626 01:23:32,806 --> 01:23:33,841 Oh come on. 1627 01:23:40,581 --> 01:23:43,583 But it was very cool to do a scene 1628 01:23:43,585 --> 01:23:46,918 with someone who wins an Oscar for the character 1629 01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,922 that they're playing in the scene you're doing. 1630 01:23:49,924 --> 01:23:52,959 I was so proud of him for doing that 1631 01:23:52,961 --> 01:23:55,364 'cause it was such an amazing movie. 1632 01:23:56,665 --> 01:23:59,432 All of us get pigeonholed into certain things 1633 01:23:59,434 --> 01:24:02,834 and to break out of that has been amazing. 1634 01:24:02,836 --> 01:24:05,304 He made that transition from stuntman 1635 01:24:05,306 --> 01:24:09,776 to stunt coordinator to actor and really 1636 01:24:09,778 --> 01:24:14,513 did all three very effectively. 1637 01:24:14,515 --> 01:24:15,748 Personally I love seeing him without 1638 01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:17,650 the makeup because he is a good actor 1639 01:24:17,652 --> 01:24:18,985 and people are finally giving him 1640 01:24:18,987 --> 01:24:22,021 a chance to show his acting chops. 1641 01:24:22,023 --> 01:24:25,658 Another guy that I credit to helping me expand 1642 01:24:25,660 --> 01:24:29,561 my acting career in a big way was Mike Feifer. 1643 01:24:29,563 --> 01:24:31,798 I think that Kane was at a place in his career 1644 01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:33,966 where he was looking to do real roles, 1645 01:24:33,968 --> 01:24:36,668 to actually show that he could act. 1646 01:24:36,670 --> 01:24:38,670 I think, you can imagine you're behind 1647 01:24:38,672 --> 01:24:42,975 the mask for so long, nobody knows 1648 01:24:42,977 --> 01:24:44,910 who you are or what you look like. 1649 01:24:44,912 --> 01:24:46,346 Kane is an actor. 1650 01:24:46,348 --> 01:24:48,847 He called and said hey, I'm gonna do a 1651 01:24:48,849 --> 01:24:51,984 movie about Ed Gein, I want you to be in it. 1652 01:24:51,986 --> 01:24:53,919 It's based on the story. 1653 01:24:53,921 --> 01:24:55,823 I think you would be good in the role. 1654 01:24:57,392 --> 01:24:58,924 I was impressed that he had that confidence in me. 1655 01:24:58,926 --> 01:25:00,959 I specifically remember a moment where 1656 01:25:00,961 --> 01:25:02,962 he's sad and he's upset and he has 1657 01:25:02,964 --> 01:25:04,896 a picture of his mother and he drops 1658 01:25:04,898 --> 01:25:06,899 the picture and he hits the wall 1659 01:25:06,901 --> 01:25:09,968 and he slides down the wall crying. 1660 01:25:09,970 --> 01:25:13,573 And I was like wow, I mean there's somewhere he's reaching. 1661 01:25:13,575 --> 01:25:16,042 I tried to make him uncomfortable 1662 01:25:16,044 --> 01:25:20,079 all the time, just weird and creepy 1663 01:25:20,081 --> 01:25:22,448 'cause that's the impression I got 1664 01:25:22,450 --> 01:25:24,717 from reading books about Ed that he 1665 01:25:24,719 --> 01:25:27,453 wasn't really that terrifying, but everybody 1666 01:25:27,455 --> 01:25:30,757 was always like God, that guy's weird. 1667 01:25:30,759 --> 01:25:33,125 So I tried to make him just feel 1668 01:25:33,127 --> 01:25:35,861 uncomfortable all the time and it was 1669 01:25:35,863 --> 01:25:38,567 great playing a character like that. 1670 01:25:41,736 --> 01:25:43,503 He said I liked what you did in Ed Gein, 1671 01:25:43,505 --> 01:25:45,905 now I want you to play Dennis Rader, 1672 01:25:45,907 --> 01:25:49,441 who was a guy known as B.T.K., another real guy 1673 01:25:49,443 --> 01:25:52,844 who was a serial killer and I loved that role 1674 01:25:52,846 --> 01:25:57,517 because here's a character that an actor 1675 01:25:57,519 --> 01:26:00,786 would die for because he has to be really 1676 01:26:00,788 --> 01:26:03,755 likable in a lot of scenes because that's 1677 01:26:03,757 --> 01:26:05,892 what the history was with him. 1678 01:26:05,894 --> 01:26:07,493 People loved the guy. 1679 01:26:07,495 --> 01:26:09,795 He was a church president, he was a Boy Scout leader, 1680 01:26:09,797 --> 01:26:13,031 and then he was a murderous maniac. 1681 01:26:13,033 --> 01:26:14,499 That's right, girls. 1682 01:26:14,501 --> 01:26:15,700 Your father has been chosen to 1683 01:26:15,702 --> 01:26:17,638 take the church down a new path. 1684 01:26:21,910 --> 01:26:24,977 I think he really creepily enjoyed 1685 01:26:24,979 --> 01:26:27,012 playing that character, so it was fun 1686 01:26:27,014 --> 01:26:29,048 to watch Kane inhabit this role of this 1687 01:26:29,050 --> 01:26:32,118 straight guy who's really mean and nasty. 1688 01:26:38,559 --> 01:26:40,860 Kane and I are doing a movie together called Death House. 1689 01:26:40,862 --> 01:26:42,661 Directed by a guy named Harrison Smith. 1690 01:26:42,663 --> 01:26:44,963 What I love about Kane is that he 1691 01:26:44,965 --> 01:26:47,165 speaks exactly what's on his mind. 1692 01:26:47,167 --> 01:26:49,569 And it was a lot of fun working with Kane. 1693 01:26:49,571 --> 01:26:52,070 It's awesome, it's like The Expendables of horror. 1694 01:26:52,072 --> 01:26:54,473 It's got all kinds of horror stars in it. 1695 01:26:54,475 --> 01:26:56,609 Kane's the big bad guy in the script. 1696 01:26:56,611 --> 01:26:58,945 Kane's character Sieg has a very 1697 01:26:58,947 --> 01:27:00,812 unique ability to regenerate. 1698 01:27:00,814 --> 01:27:03,850 So he gets shot, bullet holes seal up, things like that. 1699 01:27:03,852 --> 01:27:05,687 The way out is not that way. 1700 01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:07,589 It's down. 1701 01:27:08,822 --> 01:27:09,690 To them. 1702 01:27:11,091 --> 01:27:12,225 With me. 1703 01:27:12,227 --> 01:27:15,761 To work with him as an actor, consummate professional. 1704 01:27:15,763 --> 01:27:18,263 He's really concerned about the quality of his performance. 1705 01:27:18,265 --> 01:27:20,999 Most of all, that imagination of his, 1706 01:27:21,001 --> 01:27:23,602 he brought, I mean he was the character. 1707 01:27:23,604 --> 01:27:24,971 That's what I loved about him, he took this 1708 01:27:24,973 --> 01:27:27,106 totally seriously, and after we were done shooting 1709 01:27:27,108 --> 01:27:29,645 Bill Moseley said, he goes this is Kane's movie. 1710 01:27:30,778 --> 01:27:33,245 Now Bill Moseley is also hyper intelligent, 1711 01:27:33,247 --> 01:27:36,848 so when you get Kane and Bill Moseley together, 1712 01:27:36,850 --> 01:27:38,084 I mean I just sit there and it's 1713 01:27:38,086 --> 01:27:40,785 like they're talking in. 1714 01:27:40,787 --> 01:27:42,120 It's like I have no idea what these 1715 01:27:42,122 --> 01:27:43,990 two guys are talking to each other about. 1716 01:27:43,992 --> 01:27:46,124 But they both have really bizarre sense 1717 01:27:46,126 --> 01:27:49,661 of humor, so it's always so much fun. 1718 01:27:49,663 --> 01:27:52,130 And Kane is especially smart, and I think he 1719 01:27:52,132 --> 01:27:55,167 prides himself on talking about his MENSA, 1720 01:27:55,169 --> 01:27:57,035 'cause a lot of times we play pretty 1721 01:27:57,037 --> 01:28:00,873 dumb, scary, one note characters. 1722 01:28:00,875 --> 01:28:03,075 I will fuck you in Hell. 1723 01:28:03,077 --> 01:28:06,678 It's been in the works for a while and 1724 01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:10,048 some of the best horror icons are involved. 1725 01:28:10,050 --> 01:28:11,816 I don't know what Kane's career would've 1726 01:28:11,818 --> 01:28:14,619 taken had he been cast in Freddy Versus Jason. 1727 01:28:14,621 --> 01:28:17,623 It didn't happen and Kane, being a survivor 1728 01:28:17,625 --> 01:28:20,159 that he is, and most of all transcending that 1729 01:28:20,161 --> 01:28:23,929 mask role, went off and forged another career. 1730 01:28:23,931 --> 01:28:25,565 Nobody handed it to him, he worked 1731 01:28:25,567 --> 01:28:27,900 his balls off to get back, and I mean 1732 01:28:27,902 --> 01:28:29,634 he worked and he worked and he worked 1733 01:28:29,636 --> 01:28:31,603 and it finally paid off, he got the 1734 01:28:31,605 --> 01:28:34,073 Jason, the Victor Crowley and things like that, 1735 01:28:34,075 --> 01:28:37,176 and honestly, just me, I'm proud of him 1736 01:28:37,178 --> 01:28:39,911 because I've known him for a long time. 1737 01:28:39,913 --> 01:28:41,646 I know where he came from, I know 1738 01:28:41,648 --> 01:28:44,151 the things that vexed him a little bit. 1739 01:28:51,893 --> 01:28:54,994 While the burns scarred him physically forever, 1740 01:28:54,996 --> 01:28:59,130 the worst effects from the burns were actually mental. 1741 01:28:59,132 --> 01:29:03,069 I was burned when I was a child on 35% of my body. 1742 01:29:03,071 --> 01:29:05,036 We have talked about that and discussed it, 1743 01:29:05,038 --> 01:29:07,807 and I think we felt a little bit of 1744 01:29:07,809 --> 01:29:12,078 comradery because of our burns and getting 1745 01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:14,780 through your life and trying to deal with that. 1746 01:29:14,782 --> 01:29:17,350 Most patients the recovery is difficult 1747 01:29:17,352 --> 01:29:20,686 because of posttraumatic stress. 1748 01:29:20,688 --> 01:29:22,821 As a little kid I had a really amazingly 1749 01:29:22,823 --> 01:29:24,856 hard time, and really all my life with it, 1750 01:29:24,858 --> 01:29:26,325 and to go through what he's gone through 1751 01:29:26,327 --> 01:29:28,828 I can't even imagine because it took me 1752 01:29:28,830 --> 01:29:30,832 my whole life to be able to deal with it. 1753 01:29:33,367 --> 01:29:35,870 I started getting the feelings of... 1754 01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,775 And it's been, I've been to many therapists 1755 01:29:42,777 --> 01:29:45,110 and stuff and it's been classified as 1756 01:29:45,112 --> 01:29:47,679 PTSD type thing from the accident, 1757 01:29:47,681 --> 01:29:51,049 everything I went through, slowly manifested 1758 01:29:51,051 --> 01:29:54,986 itself because since my parents and my 1759 01:29:54,988 --> 01:29:56,856 sisters were the only ones that saw me, 1760 01:29:56,858 --> 01:29:59,225 and I got a staph infection and almost 1761 01:29:59,227 --> 01:30:02,328 died as a result, that somehow I've come to the 1762 01:30:02,330 --> 01:30:05,830 conclusion within my brain, not consciously, 1763 01:30:05,832 --> 01:30:10,605 but that they had something to do with that. 1764 01:30:11,706 --> 01:30:14,940 So for some reason, years later, gradually I 1765 01:30:14,942 --> 01:30:19,948 started feeling that if my parents or my 1766 01:30:21,049 --> 01:30:24,450 sisters came to where I lived, then they 1767 01:30:24,452 --> 01:30:26,655 were bringing something bad with them. 1768 01:30:28,055 --> 01:30:31,323 It's almost the worst part of this whole ordeal. 1769 01:30:31,325 --> 01:30:32,892 Everyone that had anything to do with 1770 01:30:32,894 --> 01:30:37,429 him at that time was suddenly infected, 1771 01:30:37,431 --> 01:30:40,466 they were contaminated in a way. 1772 01:30:40,468 --> 01:30:41,933 Even his own mother, who was the one 1773 01:30:41,935 --> 01:30:43,168 who took care of him and stretched him 1774 01:30:43,170 --> 01:30:45,170 and did every single thing afterwards 1775 01:30:45,172 --> 01:30:47,707 when he came home, all the therapy with him, 1776 01:30:47,709 --> 01:30:49,341 if she wanted to see Kane she had 1777 01:30:49,343 --> 01:30:51,276 to go through what he calls a process. 1778 01:30:51,278 --> 01:30:53,445 I would have to have them, once they 1779 01:30:53,447 --> 01:30:58,049 arrived at the house, give me everything 1780 01:30:58,051 --> 01:30:59,317 they brought with them so I can put 1781 01:30:59,319 --> 01:31:01,454 it in the washing machine, they'd have 1782 01:31:01,456 --> 01:31:06,662 to go immediately into the shower and 1783 01:31:07,327 --> 01:31:08,793 get rid of whatever they brought 1784 01:31:08,795 --> 01:31:11,030 with them, that's how it felt to me. 1785 01:31:11,032 --> 01:31:13,932 If I washed all their clothes and they took 1786 01:31:13,934 --> 01:31:16,502 a shower, then I was fine with them being in the house. 1787 01:31:16,504 --> 01:31:18,771 It's ridiculous, I'm the first one 1788 01:31:18,773 --> 01:31:21,106 to admit that it's ridiculous, but it 1789 01:31:21,108 --> 01:31:24,477 was something I could not control. 1790 01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,112 I would either ask them to do that 1791 01:31:27,114 --> 01:31:28,813 or I wouldn't be able to have them 1792 01:31:28,815 --> 01:31:31,053 come to the house, so what's worse? 1793 01:31:32,220 --> 01:31:34,853 Now that my mom is gone, I've seem 1794 01:31:34,855 --> 01:31:38,324 to have lost touch with everyone. 1795 01:31:38,326 --> 01:31:41,427 It's a sad thing because I was always 1796 01:31:41,429 --> 01:31:44,295 very close to my family and obviously 1797 01:31:44,297 --> 01:31:49,270 it's basically, it's my fault that I don't. 1798 01:31:50,438 --> 01:31:51,771 He lost a lot of family members 1799 01:31:51,773 --> 01:31:52,972 because of it because they couldn't 1800 01:31:52,974 --> 01:31:54,373 understand the OCD that Kane had. 1801 01:31:54,375 --> 01:31:57,109 It's not something I'm proud of certainly. 1802 01:31:57,111 --> 01:31:59,911 I'm ashamed of it, but it's just the 1803 01:31:59,913 --> 01:32:03,384 one thing I was not able to beat. 1804 01:32:04,852 --> 01:32:06,886 And I have to live with that. 1805 01:32:15,395 --> 01:32:17,099 I don't give up on anything. 1806 01:32:18,431 --> 01:32:21,402 My wife and kids know that and they mean everything to me. 1807 01:32:23,571 --> 01:32:26,006 My wife Susan is very... 1808 01:32:27,274 --> 01:32:29,877 She's a therapist, she has a practice. 1809 01:32:30,978 --> 01:32:33,279 For many years helping people cope 1810 01:32:33,281 --> 01:32:34,512 with certain problems and stuff, 1811 01:32:34,514 --> 01:32:39,151 so she's very caring and empathetic. 1812 01:32:39,153 --> 01:32:41,890 And helps people get through some stuff, including me. 1813 01:32:43,023 --> 01:32:44,856 I'm probably her star client because 1814 01:32:44,858 --> 01:32:47,560 I've had so many issues that she's 1815 01:32:47,562 --> 01:32:51,163 helped me deal with and been very patient. 1816 01:32:51,165 --> 01:32:53,031 I think what was horrifying to me was 1817 01:32:53,033 --> 01:32:55,334 not so much the burn story, which is bad enough, 1818 01:32:55,336 --> 01:32:57,302 but then the recovery story was really 1819 01:32:57,304 --> 01:33:00,438 I think much longer and more tedious than it 1820 01:33:00,440 --> 01:33:03,042 could have been, or than it should have been. 1821 01:33:03,044 --> 01:33:04,476 Being in the hospital for six months 1822 01:33:04,478 --> 01:33:07,515 I think made him a much more sensitive person. 1823 01:33:08,616 --> 01:33:11,482 It made him a much more generous person. 1824 01:33:11,484 --> 01:33:13,953 I love hanging out with Kane and his family 1825 01:33:13,955 --> 01:33:16,922 because we were knuckleheads, we were young 1826 01:33:16,924 --> 01:33:18,557 knuckleheads for a long time and then we 1827 01:33:18,559 --> 01:33:21,326 both started families about the same time 1828 01:33:21,328 --> 01:33:24,396 and I knew him with Susan and his relationship 1829 01:33:24,398 --> 01:33:27,399 and their dynamic is great, they're so 1830 01:33:27,401 --> 01:33:29,869 different and yet they complement 1831 01:33:29,871 --> 01:33:32,972 each other and it's just so fun to watch. 1832 01:33:32,974 --> 01:33:35,607 When we first started dating I was 1833 01:33:35,609 --> 01:33:37,508 a set decorator, but I stopped because 1834 01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:39,945 it was exhausting and really hard and 1835 01:33:39,947 --> 01:33:42,347 having two people, I found, in a relationship 1836 01:33:42,349 --> 01:33:46,218 that are in the same field was really hard. 1837 01:33:46,220 --> 01:33:48,486 I think when Susan started seeing me 1838 01:33:48,488 --> 01:33:51,490 really start working, there had to be 1839 01:33:51,492 --> 01:33:56,498 an element of concern with her considering 1840 01:33:57,631 --> 01:33:59,397 I was doing dangerous stuff quite a bit. 1841 01:33:59,399 --> 01:34:00,966 Earlier in his career it's a little 1842 01:34:00,968 --> 01:34:02,668 nerveracking, and there was a few times 1843 01:34:02,670 --> 01:34:04,369 when he would be doing, like if he was 1844 01:34:04,371 --> 01:34:06,504 doing average things and car stunts, 1845 01:34:06,506 --> 01:34:08,641 those didn't worry me, but things 1846 01:34:08,643 --> 01:34:10,910 where he could get seriously hurt. 1847 01:34:10,912 --> 01:34:15,614 Perfect example was I doing a movie called House II. 1848 01:34:15,616 --> 01:34:18,116 I was testing a rope, there was a rope 1849 01:34:18,118 --> 01:34:20,252 hung from the permanence in the sound stage. 1850 01:34:20,254 --> 01:34:21,920 One of the characters had to swing 1851 01:34:21,922 --> 01:34:24,022 on the rope from the top of the set 1852 01:34:24,024 --> 01:34:26,392 on a long swing down into the set 1853 01:34:26,394 --> 01:34:29,027 and then up the other side and 1854 01:34:29,029 --> 01:34:31,329 then back to the top of the temple again. 1855 01:34:31,331 --> 01:34:34,098 I swung out, and as I was swinging back in 1856 01:34:34,100 --> 01:34:36,968 I hit part of the set and it knocked me 1857 01:34:36,970 --> 01:34:39,003 off the rope and I fell pretty close 1858 01:34:39,005 --> 01:34:41,640 to 25 feet to the stage floor and hit 1859 01:34:41,642 --> 01:34:45,311 really hard, and right at that moment 1860 01:34:45,313 --> 01:34:48,079 Susan arrived on the set to visit. 1861 01:34:48,081 --> 01:34:50,048 I just came down to visit, he was 1862 01:34:50,050 --> 01:34:51,517 really excited to be on the movie. 1863 01:34:51,519 --> 01:34:53,584 And one of the stunt guys I had there 1864 01:34:53,586 --> 01:34:56,487 for the day ran over to her and said 1865 01:34:56,489 --> 01:34:58,691 oh my God, we thought he was dead. 1866 01:34:58,693 --> 01:35:00,558 Oh my God, I thought he was dead, and I'm like... 1867 01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:02,261 What? 1868 01:35:02,263 --> 01:35:03,628 Wait, what do you mean? 1869 01:35:03,630 --> 01:35:05,030 What are you talking about you thought he was dead? 1870 01:35:05,032 --> 01:35:06,966 And then she found out I had fallen. 1871 01:35:06,968 --> 01:35:09,170 They showed me where he had fallen. 1872 01:35:10,537 --> 01:35:13,271 I think since that day, that was the 1873 01:35:13,273 --> 01:35:15,641 instance why I don't go to the set. 1874 01:35:15,643 --> 01:35:17,375 I think I've brought the kids and we've 1875 01:35:17,377 --> 01:35:19,712 visited the set, but I don't like to 1876 01:35:19,714 --> 01:35:22,047 watch him work and I think he's nervous. 1877 01:35:22,049 --> 01:35:25,351 I have two sons, Jace and Reed, and they're 1878 01:35:25,353 --> 01:35:30,155 very responsible, smart, well-adjusted kids. 1879 01:35:30,157 --> 01:35:33,491 He really is a wonderful dad and he's totally plugged in. 1880 01:35:33,493 --> 01:35:35,761 It's amazing that Kane is able to 1881 01:35:35,763 --> 01:35:37,529 keep two completely different lives. 1882 01:35:37,531 --> 01:35:39,330 He has this life of flying all over 1883 01:35:39,332 --> 01:35:41,266 the world and putting on makeup and 1884 01:35:41,268 --> 01:35:43,267 ripping heads off of people, and then he 1885 01:35:43,269 --> 01:35:44,736 goes home and sits on his couch and 1886 01:35:44,738 --> 01:35:47,306 watches a TV show with his family. 1887 01:35:47,308 --> 01:35:49,741 If you saw a shot of them sitting there you 1888 01:35:49,743 --> 01:35:51,075 would think they're no different 1889 01:35:51,077 --> 01:35:52,244 than any other family in the world. 1890 01:35:52,246 --> 01:35:54,079 It's really cool that he can keep up 1891 01:35:54,081 --> 01:35:56,147 the balance of both of those and not 1892 01:35:56,149 --> 01:35:58,417 let the two bleed into each other too much. 1893 01:35:58,419 --> 01:36:01,152 When he's home we still enjoy our 1894 01:36:01,154 --> 01:36:03,088 time together watching TV and movies 1895 01:36:03,090 --> 01:36:04,455 and stuff like that, finding one of 1896 01:36:04,457 --> 01:36:05,691 his movies every once in a while, 1897 01:36:05,693 --> 01:36:07,493 watching a little bit of that, 1898 01:36:07,495 --> 01:36:09,360 him realizing how old it is and 1899 01:36:09,362 --> 01:36:11,065 then switching to a new channel. 1900 01:36:12,198 --> 01:36:13,365 I think some of my favorite memories 1901 01:36:13,367 --> 01:36:16,768 are probably when we hang out together. 1902 01:36:16,770 --> 01:36:19,070 Most fathers and sons don't really 1903 01:36:19,072 --> 01:36:20,405 hang out that much together, but I 1904 01:36:20,407 --> 01:36:21,774 really enjoy hanging out with him 1905 01:36:21,776 --> 01:36:23,241 instead of going out with my friends at night. 1906 01:36:23,243 --> 01:36:24,610 Both of my sons, when they visited 1907 01:36:24,612 --> 01:36:27,413 when I was shooting Jason X, I was in full 1908 01:36:27,415 --> 01:36:29,481 costume and I have a picture with both of them. 1909 01:36:29,483 --> 01:36:32,651 That was one of my favorite sets to visit. 1910 01:36:32,653 --> 01:36:35,253 I was pretty young, and I mean seeing 1911 01:36:35,255 --> 01:36:37,056 all the people in their makeup, 1912 01:36:37,058 --> 01:36:38,589 seeing how futuristic everything looked. 1913 01:36:38,591 --> 01:36:40,491 It was a really unique experience 1914 01:36:40,493 --> 01:36:42,727 to be on the set of a movie with my dad 1915 01:36:42,729 --> 01:36:47,736 and seeing him in person acting was really cool. 1916 01:36:49,069 --> 01:36:50,268 The funny thing about Kane is he has 1917 01:36:50,270 --> 01:36:52,737 this intense presence about him, but he's 1918 01:36:52,739 --> 01:36:56,408 the nicest, kindest guy once you get to know him. 1919 01:36:56,410 --> 01:36:58,709 Most people wouldn't think of Kane as being 1920 01:36:58,711 --> 01:37:03,382 a nice, basically mellow, soft spoken guy. 1921 01:37:03,384 --> 01:37:05,517 I'm sure he has his moments, but I think 1922 01:37:05,519 --> 01:37:08,352 that would be very surprising to a lot of people. 1923 01:37:08,354 --> 01:37:11,323 Maybe he sews or does macrame or something, 1924 01:37:11,325 --> 01:37:13,694 I'd be curious what his hobbies are. 1925 01:37:18,198 --> 01:37:21,866 Kane is the entire horror community. 1926 01:37:21,868 --> 01:37:24,136 I can say that bar none. 1927 01:37:24,138 --> 01:37:26,370 Kane's body language, Kane's posture, 1928 01:37:26,372 --> 01:37:29,775 the hockey mask, the way he moves, his bulk, 1929 01:37:29,777 --> 01:37:34,579 all of that is the logo for the experience 1930 01:37:34,581 --> 01:37:39,586 of 30 odd years of Friday the 13th films. 1931 01:37:41,221 --> 01:37:42,820 He's a horror icon. 1932 01:37:42,822 --> 01:37:45,390 Me being into the horror genre and 1933 01:37:45,392 --> 01:37:47,860 loving horror movies, he is Jason. 1934 01:37:47,862 --> 01:37:50,294 He is the epitome of Jason, goddammit! 1935 01:37:50,296 --> 01:37:51,562 Know about it, motherfucker! 1936 01:37:51,564 --> 01:37:52,763 He's by far the best Jason. 1937 01:37:52,765 --> 01:37:55,700 He's known as Jason, that's, you can't 1938 01:37:55,702 --> 01:37:57,703 really take that away. 1939 01:37:57,705 --> 01:38:00,338 I have to think that of all of them, 1940 01:38:00,340 --> 01:38:02,473 and I've said this before, he is 1941 01:38:02,475 --> 01:38:04,343 the one, the only, and the best. 1942 01:38:04,345 --> 01:38:06,378 Nobody else can even compete with him. 1943 01:38:06,380 --> 01:38:08,579 As a leader, when you're an icon, 1944 01:38:08,581 --> 01:38:10,315 if you wind up playing a role that 1945 01:38:10,317 --> 01:38:11,616 becomes really important to people, 1946 01:38:11,618 --> 01:38:14,552 there's a responsibility that comes with that. 1947 01:38:14,554 --> 01:38:16,487 Kane's one of the few who really 1948 01:38:16,489 --> 01:38:18,827 takes that responsibility seriously. 1949 01:38:20,193 --> 01:38:22,593 Well I think my fans are the best. 1950 01:38:22,595 --> 01:38:25,196 There was a big outcry from the fans 1951 01:38:25,198 --> 01:38:27,533 when I was replaced as Jason, and that 1952 01:38:27,535 --> 01:38:29,935 made me feel good that I wasn't 1953 01:38:29,937 --> 01:38:33,338 the only one that was disappointed. 1954 01:38:33,340 --> 01:38:35,941 Let's face it, if we didn't have fans 1955 01:38:35,943 --> 01:38:38,877 we wouldn't be in the place that we are. 1956 01:38:38,879 --> 01:38:40,913 I have a reputation of being nice to the fans 1957 01:38:40,915 --> 01:38:43,682 and Kane has a reputation of really 1958 01:38:43,684 --> 01:38:45,918 being fun with the fans, they love it. 1959 01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:48,387 He makes everybody have their own special moment 1960 01:38:48,389 --> 01:38:51,289 to walk away with, he's definitely a fan's fan. 1961 01:38:51,291 --> 01:38:53,458 Fans are everything to Kane. 1962 01:38:53,460 --> 01:38:55,860 He goes above and beyond. 1963 01:38:55,862 --> 01:38:58,463 Fans are completely the life 1964 01:38:58,465 --> 01:38:59,664 blood of the horror community. 1965 01:38:59,666 --> 01:39:01,933 You see dozens of horror conventions 1966 01:39:01,935 --> 01:39:04,602 with people lined up who wait hours to meet 1967 01:39:04,604 --> 01:39:06,672 their favorite celebrity for a few seconds. 1968 01:39:06,674 --> 01:39:08,272 You might be doing a convention 1969 01:39:08,274 --> 01:39:10,308 every weekend for a year, or on tour 1970 01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:12,444 promoting something, but for this person 1971 01:39:12,446 --> 01:39:14,413 they're waiting all year for this 1972 01:39:14,415 --> 01:39:15,847 moment that you're coming to their town 1973 01:39:15,849 --> 01:39:17,583 and they have something they wanna tell you 1974 01:39:17,585 --> 01:39:21,820 or share with you, so you can't ever forget that. 1975 01:39:21,822 --> 01:39:23,821 It doesn't matter what else is going in your life, 1976 01:39:23,823 --> 01:39:24,957 everything could be going to shit, you could 1977 01:39:24,959 --> 01:39:27,292 have the worst day ever, you could be sick, 1978 01:39:27,294 --> 01:39:29,527 for those five, 10 minutes that this person's 1979 01:39:29,529 --> 01:39:31,963 gonna get to spend with you, that's everything. 1980 01:39:31,965 --> 01:39:33,932 Kane really gets that and that's why 1981 01:39:33,934 --> 01:39:36,301 the same fans will come see him all the time. 1982 01:39:36,303 --> 01:39:37,235 It doesn't matter that they already got 1983 01:39:37,237 --> 01:39:40,004 his autograph once, they just wanna see him. 1984 01:39:40,006 --> 01:39:41,772 That's huge. 1985 01:39:41,774 --> 01:39:44,276 Even a couple people in line ahead of me, 1986 01:39:44,278 --> 01:39:45,744 just how he was talking to them, they'd ask 1987 01:39:45,746 --> 01:39:49,313 questions I'm sure he's been asked 80 times a day 1988 01:39:49,315 --> 01:39:52,484 and he stills answers enthusiastically as much, 1989 01:39:52,486 --> 01:39:54,518 but he's still got that snarky asshole attitude 1990 01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:58,022 that you love about it, which makes it perfect. 1991 01:39:58,024 --> 01:40:02,326 The first photo we took, I was wearing my hockey mask. 1992 01:40:02,328 --> 01:40:05,263 I did what Kane does, I did the heavy 1993 01:40:05,265 --> 01:40:07,501 breathing where he lifts up his shoulder like. 1994 01:40:09,603 --> 01:40:12,337 And tilted my head a little. 1995 01:40:12,339 --> 01:40:14,740 He smiled at that, I think he thought that was cool. 1996 01:40:14,742 --> 01:40:19,747 He gets it, okay, just like a few of us get it. 1997 01:40:20,913 --> 01:40:22,446 That the fans are the ones that are 1998 01:40:22,448 --> 01:40:25,651 really important in this whole scenario. 1999 01:40:25,653 --> 01:40:27,886 We're just guys doing our job. 2000 01:40:27,888 --> 01:40:30,655 The fans are the ones that make it all happen. 2001 01:40:30,657 --> 01:40:32,356 They're the driving force. 2002 01:40:32,358 --> 01:40:33,991 Whenever I'm with him in public, 2003 01:40:33,993 --> 01:40:35,526 and he gets recognized by someone, 2004 01:40:35,528 --> 01:40:37,495 he's always happy to take a picture. 2005 01:40:37,497 --> 01:40:39,063 They're really important to him and that's why he 2006 01:40:39,065 --> 01:40:41,533 does so many conventions to meet all of his fans. 2007 01:40:41,535 --> 01:40:44,035 People come to see Kane Hodder for a reason, 2008 01:40:44,037 --> 01:40:48,472 over and over, I mean his line never ends. 2009 01:40:48,474 --> 01:40:50,842 I was very envious of him 'cause he had a line 2010 01:40:50,844 --> 01:40:54,745 going clear out the door and I had nobody at my table. 2011 01:40:54,747 --> 01:40:57,548 He's so appreciative and so good with the fans. 2012 01:40:57,550 --> 01:40:58,749 I don't think you could have a 2013 01:40:58,751 --> 01:41:01,386 better ambassador for a franchise. 2014 01:41:01,388 --> 01:41:04,522 That whole segment of fandom didn't get the respect. 2015 01:41:04,524 --> 01:41:06,691 Now I think everybody realizes that 2016 01:41:06,693 --> 01:41:09,727 the horror movie, like the science fiction 2017 01:41:09,729 --> 01:41:13,798 film or the fantasy film, is a go to 2018 01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:18,805 popcorn ingredient in the soul of Hollywood. 2019 01:41:19,907 --> 01:41:21,039 Horror fans, they tend to be very 2020 01:41:21,041 --> 01:41:23,408 fervent for some reason, I'm not sure why. 2021 01:41:23,410 --> 01:41:27,014 You don't have people tattooing Adam Sandler on their body. 2022 01:41:28,549 --> 01:41:30,749 I'm not sure why, maybe that would be a good tattoo, 2023 01:41:30,751 --> 01:41:32,817 but Kane Hodder, I'm sure he's on a lot 2024 01:41:32,819 --> 01:41:37,291 of bodies as a tattoo, the classic face. 2025 01:41:40,894 --> 01:41:42,860 I do have this Kane tattoo right here. 2026 01:41:42,862 --> 01:41:45,299 I have Jason from Part Seven. 2027 01:41:46,433 --> 01:41:48,066 I had gotten this tattoo, it was the 2028 01:41:48,068 --> 01:41:50,569 first one I had on this arm, and he comes 2029 01:41:50,571 --> 01:41:51,770 over me, he's like you're a huge 2030 01:41:51,772 --> 01:41:53,003 fucking fan, but you got the wrong 2031 01:41:53,005 --> 01:41:55,140 Jason on your arm, and then he socked me one 2032 01:41:55,142 --> 01:41:56,708 and I was like all right, this is how 2033 01:41:56,710 --> 01:41:58,576 the relationship is gonna go from now on. 2034 01:41:58,578 --> 01:42:00,478 Now he has a whole new fan base of 2035 01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:01,646 a younger generation who grew up 2036 01:42:01,648 --> 01:42:04,015 watching the Hatchet series and those 2037 01:42:04,017 --> 01:42:07,017 kids' parents grew up watching the Jason series, 2038 01:42:07,019 --> 01:42:09,987 so it's changed and gave him a whole 2039 01:42:09,989 --> 01:42:12,857 new rebirth in his career and now he's 2040 01:42:12,859 --> 01:42:15,026 doing almost 20 movies a year because 2041 01:42:15,028 --> 01:42:17,762 people wanna see him do stuff. 2042 01:42:17,764 --> 01:42:19,865 I think Kane is relentless when it 2043 01:42:19,867 --> 01:42:21,799 comes to anything that he's passionate about. 2044 01:42:21,801 --> 01:42:23,935 He overcame a lot of things, and that's 2045 01:42:23,937 --> 01:42:25,971 by his own volition by a force of will. 2046 01:42:25,973 --> 01:42:27,606 Some people just don't have that in them 2047 01:42:27,608 --> 01:42:30,441 anymore, they give up, they roll over and die. 2048 01:42:30,443 --> 01:42:33,477 Those are words I cannot use to describe Kane Hodder. 2049 01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:36,181 Whether you wanna draw an analogy to Jason 2050 01:42:36,183 --> 01:42:39,985 who never dies, maybe Kane never dies. 2051 01:42:39,987 --> 01:42:41,919 I'm blown away by his history and 2052 01:42:41,921 --> 01:42:44,990 what he's gone through and just how he's a 2053 01:42:44,992 --> 01:42:48,893 triumph and he's the coolest man walking really. 2054 01:42:48,895 --> 01:42:52,597 A man with that much fortitude, desire, and ambition 2055 01:42:52,599 --> 01:42:56,935 to go through what he went through is amazing. 2056 01:42:56,937 --> 01:42:58,570 To go from what happened to him to being 2057 01:42:58,572 --> 01:43:02,641 one of the best in the business as a burn guy 2058 01:43:02,643 --> 01:43:04,676 I think pretty much tells you all you need to know 2059 01:43:04,678 --> 01:43:07,678 about Kane, the guy's got balls of freakin' steel. 2060 01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:09,748 A lot of people would've just been well 2061 01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:11,816 I had my time and that was my thing and 2062 01:43:11,818 --> 01:43:13,951 I'm just gonna be put out to pasture 2063 01:43:13,953 --> 01:43:15,786 and do the conventions, but he was 2064 01:43:15,788 --> 01:43:17,755 smart enough and still hungry enough 2065 01:43:17,757 --> 01:43:19,691 when Hatchet got put in front of him 2066 01:43:19,693 --> 01:43:21,892 to say I'm gonna go at this with 2067 01:43:21,894 --> 01:43:23,794 everything I have, and I'm gonna 2068 01:43:23,796 --> 01:43:25,129 keep going and I'm gonna keep showing 2069 01:43:25,131 --> 01:43:27,566 people that I'm just getting started. 2070 01:43:27,568 --> 01:43:29,200 More people should approach their 2071 01:43:29,202 --> 01:43:31,906 work and their life like he does. 2072 01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:34,942 When you go through an ordeal like that, 2073 01:43:36,076 --> 01:43:38,645 you begin to take life seriously. 2074 01:43:40,112 --> 01:43:43,615 You slow down for a second and you make 2075 01:43:43,617 --> 01:43:48,623 sure that your next step is the right step. 2076 01:43:50,823 --> 01:43:52,691 And I think that's what Kane does. 2077 01:43:58,064 --> 01:44:00,598 The fact that I was, suicidal thoughts 2078 01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:03,968 and stuff, I know how you can get to that point, 2079 01:44:03,970 --> 01:44:07,974 and I understand when people get there. 2080 01:44:09,542 --> 01:44:13,078 I think I could've been justified possibly ending 2081 01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:16,584 my life then because of everything I had been through. 2082 01:44:22,989 --> 01:44:24,692 But look what I would've missed. 2083 01:44:25,791 --> 01:44:30,664 That's huge, I think, I hope to instill 2084 01:44:31,564 --> 01:44:32,931 in people that get to that point 2085 01:44:32,933 --> 01:44:34,932 you don't know what you might miss. 2086 01:44:34,934 --> 01:44:36,801 And I would've missed all of this. 2087 01:45:57,718 --> 01:45:59,985 I still believe he's just getting started. 2088 01:45:59,987 --> 01:46:01,785 10 more years from now there could be 2089 01:46:01,787 --> 01:46:03,722 a whole 'nother documentary about yeah, 2090 01:46:03,724 --> 01:46:06,124 so he did all of that, but then he did this. 2091 01:47:11,425 --> 01:47:15,727 How would I want Kane to kill me? 2092 01:47:15,729 --> 01:47:17,728 I think quickly. 2093 01:47:17,730 --> 01:47:18,398 Very, very quickly. 2094 01:47:22,702 --> 01:47:24,401 I just thought of something horrible. 2095 01:47:26,973 --> 01:47:28,009 It was sexual. 2096 01:47:28,975 --> 01:47:30,975 I definitely, I'd want him to choke me out. 2097 01:47:30,977 --> 01:47:33,277 You ever hear the expression 2098 01:47:33,279 --> 01:47:35,315 rip off your head, shit down your throat? 2099 01:47:37,317 --> 01:47:39,851 Maybe if he made me eat my own shit, 2100 01:47:39,853 --> 01:47:42,753 or some script that I wrote and stuff 2101 01:47:42,755 --> 01:47:45,255 it down my throat and made it eat it, or shove 2102 01:47:45,257 --> 01:47:47,726 my own movies down my throat or up my ass. 2103 01:47:47,728 --> 01:47:50,197 I thought we were gonna be friends and partners. 2104 01:47:51,764 --> 01:47:53,932 What do you know about the script that I don't know? 2105 01:47:53,934 --> 01:47:56,868 I'd like to be beat to death by two naked ladies. 2106 01:47:56,870 --> 01:47:58,002 Wow. 2107 01:47:58,004 --> 01:47:59,236 Number one, his character couldn't kill 2108 01:47:59,238 --> 01:48:02,406 me 'cause I can whip his ass any day of the week. 2109 01:48:02,408 --> 01:48:03,975 Period. 2110 01:48:03,977 --> 01:48:05,008 With kindness. 2111 01:48:06,313 --> 01:48:09,313 No, I don't know, let's see, a particular way, 2112 01:48:09,315 --> 01:48:11,749 how about he and I are both burned up in a fire. 2113 01:48:11,751 --> 01:48:12,886 Ew, creepy. 2114 01:48:14,019 --> 01:48:15,186 By the way, I don't know if you know this, 2115 01:48:15,188 --> 01:48:17,021 Kane has killed more people with his 2116 01:48:17,023 --> 01:48:21,426 hands than anybody else in movie history. 2117 01:48:21,428 --> 01:48:23,898 Don't know if you know that. 2118 01:48:30,372 --> 01:48:35,372 Subtitles by explosiveskull