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It's interesting.
I didn't think about this.

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It's like living a lie.

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I didn't live a lot of lies,
but I lived one big one.

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You know, it's different, I guess.
Maybe it's not.

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But yeah, it's...

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And what I said in
there with just how

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this story is
all over the place,

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and there are these two

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just complete
opposite narratives.

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You know, the only person

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that can actually
start to let people

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understand what
the true narrative is is me.

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And you should know that
better than anybody.

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Let's get to the real nature and
the real detail of the story.

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'Cause we haven't
heard it yet, is the truth.

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Lance, how you feeling?

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Good. I'm very good.

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Nervous. But that's good.

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Always nervous for these.

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Not a lot of room for error.

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So makes it interesting.

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Oh, yeah.
Welcome to the party.

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In 2009, I set out
to make a film about

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Lance Armstrong's comeback year.

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It seemed like a great ride.

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A retired champion
with a contentious past

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comes back to
cycling to show them all.

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Then the Lance
doping scandal erupted

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and I had to put the film aside.

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When I picked
the film back up, I faced

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the same question
that haunted me in 2009.

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Why did he come back?

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He'd won the Tour de
France seven times.

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I wondered what
I had been witness to in 2009.

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And what did it mean now that the
truth about Lance was known?

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In making my new film, all roads
seemed to lead back to the past.

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I viewed my battle with
cancer as an athletic competition.

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But in that,
you either win or you lose.

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When you lose,
or if you lose, you die.

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So I took that perspective,
which is a little dark,

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and I put it into everything
I've done since then.

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I like to win.

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But more than anything,
I can't stand

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the idea of losing,

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because, to me,
that equals death.

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Look at this. Armstrong
accelerating once again.

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And there's a gap
now starting to appear

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between Lance Armstrong
and Marco Pantani.

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Well, I never
thought I'd see the day when

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Lance Armstrong
would blow away the man

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we've always referred to as the
finest climber we've ever seen

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in the current
peloton of cycling.

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But there's one matter
that's stayed on Armstrong's tail,

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allegations he's used
banned performance enhancers.

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Where he's found this
strength from, I don't know.

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He has torn
the field apart here.

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The mythic nature
of his essential comeback,

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getting cancer and
coming back and being

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a great athlete,
is an astonishing story.

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If he's clean,
it's the greatest comeback.

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If he's not,
then it's the greatest fraud.

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I don't think any
sports team or any athlete

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has ever come under
this kind of scrutiny.

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Oh, and Beloki's gone down!

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Armstrong's off
the road as well.

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Armstrong,
complete control there.

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He's into the field,
but what a great bike rider.

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He's gone across.
This is unbelievable.

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I've never seen this before.

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Armstrong went
across the field there.

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He's back on the road
with four kilometers to go.

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Oh, this is incredible.
Armstrong is such a star.

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There are people
who have really been ruined

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because of Lance's aggressive
attempts to keep them quiet.

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He was an
immensely intimidating person.

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Thing about Armstrong,
he has the acceleration.

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When he wants to go into
a climb, he can do it.

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He has now decided,
"I want to go."

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You can see the yellow jersey is open...
What's happened now?

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What has happened there?

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Can he recover?

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He's come back.

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Armstrong is out
of the saddle again.

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He's jumping onto the
tail here of {ban Mayo.

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This is unbelievable.

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Armstrong is now one of
the world's most recognized athletes.

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To Americans, Lance
Armstrong is cycling's Superman.

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The bigger you are,
the better target you make.

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In any generation
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there will be guys who cheat and
there will be guys who don't cheat.

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This is a guy who was going
to succeed no matter what.

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His comeback and
storybook life have put

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Lance Armstrong
under a global spotlight.

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Armstrong has been
less successful in

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outracing accusations
of possible drug use.

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I've said it for seven years. I've
said it for longer than seven years.

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I have never doped.

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It's very hard to
conceal the truth forever.

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So this has been my downfall.

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No, thanks.

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There you are.
Come on in.

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I just walk on in?

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Hi. Thank you.

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Good to see you.
Ready?

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Saw you get your shoes on.

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We're getting my shoes on.

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Everybody, let's do
everything we need to do...

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This is where I came
back into the story.

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I was in Austin when Lance decided
to do an interview with Oprah

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to address charges
of doping in the press

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that had become
impossible to deny.

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Tonight on Nightline...
Did Lance cheat?

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Lance had been the subject
of a criminal investigation.

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He was also probed by
the US Anti-Doping Agency.

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Many ex-teammates
testified against Armstrong.

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Did you see Lance Armstrong using
performance-enhancing drugs?

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At times, yeah.

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There was EPO.

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There was testosterone.

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And I did see
a blood transfusion.

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Look,
at some point, people have to

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tell their kids that
Santa Claus isn't real.

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You're saying Lance
Armstrong is a liar?

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Yes.

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The anti-cancer crusader
was now portrayed as a cheater

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who ran a doping ring and used his
power as a celebrity to cover it up.

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UCI will ban Lance
Armstrong from cycling,

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and UCI will strip him of his
seven Tour de France titles.

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Lance Armstrong has
no place in cycling.

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We ready to go. Ready?

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So let's start
with the questions

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that people around the world have
been waiting for you to answer.

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For now I'd just
like a "yes" or "no."

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Did you ever take
banned substances

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to enhance your
cycling performance?

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Yes.

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Yes or no, was one of those
banned substances EPO?

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Yes.

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Did you ever blood dope
or use blood transfusions

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to enhance your
cycling performance?

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Yes.

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Did you ever use
any other banned substances

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like testosterone, cortisone
or human growth hormone?

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Yes.

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Yes or no, in all seven of
your Tour de France victories,

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did you ever take banned
substances or blood dope?

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Yes.

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The first few
minutes of Oprah was just riveting.

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To finally witness
him saying that he doped

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after the years and
years and years and years

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of just the most
amazing denials.

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I can emphatically
say I'm not on drugs.

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Neither I nor any
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did or took anything illegal.

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We got nothing to hide. We know that.
Everybody knows that.

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You have never taken
any performance-enhancing drug?

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Correct.

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And to call somebody a cheater,

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a fraud, a loser,
to call them that,

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it has to be,
I repeat, has to be

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followed up with
extraordinary proof,

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and we've never seen it.

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It's cliche'. He looked me
in the eyes and told me he didn't dope.

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But when he does that,
he's got a power.

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It goes a long way.

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Any idiot with half
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been able to see
Armstrong was lying.

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They've been
testing you like crazy.

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They've been
following you, watching you.

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Don't the results speak for
themselves at a certain point?

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Hello!

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Lance Armstrong is a fraud.
I don't believe a word he says.

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I want this man to suffer.
And I say that with all sincerity.

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I can't believe
we all got duped.

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Lying jerk.

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The guy's a complete phony.

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He could've come clean.

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He owes it to the sport
that he destroyed.

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Was it a big deal to you?
Did it feel wrong?

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At the time? No.

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It did not even feel wrong?

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No.

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The prime time confession turned
out to be a bumpy ride for Lance.

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But it might never
have happened if he hadn't

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decided to take
a victory lap in 2009.

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And your comeback.
Do you regret now coming back?

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I do.

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We wouldn't be sitting here
if I didn't come back.

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The comeback.
What was he thinking?

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I kept wondering
about that question

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throughout the year
as I followed him.

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It's been a long time.
Will you be ready for the Tour?

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I'm comin'.
I'll be there July 4th.

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A few weeks
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the idea of a possible comeback,

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I was really surprised.

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I remember I sent him
a message back and I said,

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"Are you at a party?
Are you sober?"

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Johan Bruyneel,
Lance's team director

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for all seven of
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was now running Team Astana.

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He reunited with Lance
to help guide his comeback.

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We good?
Sure.

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So is there a motivator
for you this time around?

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Is this in some way for you
to say to all the critics...

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It's been an interesting
reaction with the comeback.

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I mean, some people are curious,

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some people are pissed,
and some people are ecstatic.

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Few people in sport divide public
opinion quite like Lance Armstrong.

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To millions, he is
a source of inspiration.

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But to some, his incredible tale is
just that, incredible, hard to believe.

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Yet so many wanted to believe.

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Wherever Lance went,
he moved the needle.

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More fans, more money
for sponsors and promoters.

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Even so, the organization
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was reluctant to
invite him back.

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Just 10 months before the race,
the comeback was in jeopardy.

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The story is,
"Refused entry into

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"the Tour de
France for no reason."

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This guy is comin' back.

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He's never been caught,
prosecuted, busted for anything.

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He's coming back with the most legitimate,
credible program that there is.

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They won't let him
in the marquee event.

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I think the media
would fuckin' crush 'em.

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If they don't let him ride...

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He's gonna take so
much attention away

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from the Tour de
France to other events

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that they have to let him in.

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I think they may
come out of the gate and say,

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"Of course he can't race
in the Tour de France."

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Neither could Ivan Basso,
neither could Floyd Landis.

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They all cheated.

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That's not the same.

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They were all busted.

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And they think Lance is busted.
No, he's not.

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But they think...
He's not.

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They think it might be that way.

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L'Equipe said he cheated.

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He's never tested positive.
They think he has.

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He didn't.

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But L'Equipe said he did.

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What was the headline?

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Yes.

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"The Armstrong Lie."

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Long before Oprah,
"The Armstrong Lie" article

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offered proof that Lance's first
Tour win had not been clean.

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Through clever detective work,

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the author
discovered that many of

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Armstrong's urine
samples from 1999

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contained
a doping drug called EPO.

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If you consider my situation,

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a guy who comes back from,
arguably, a death sentence,

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why would I then
enter into a sport

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and dope myself up
and risk my life again?

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That's crazy.
I would never do that.

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No. No way.

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It was a bold claim,
considering how many

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riders around him
had been busted.

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And even after
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pro cycling continued to
suffer from doping scandals.

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There are a lot of us
who wanted this to be

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a clean sport and a clean effort

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and a clean
victory and everything.

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But there's just too much
swirl around it constantly.

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Shortly after
Armstrong retired, there was

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this huge bust
called Operation Puerto,

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in which most of
his rivals got popped.

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If it was
the NBA All-Star game,

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it would have been every
player on both teams

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essentially busted for doping

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except that one
guy who just retired.

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Throughout Lance's Tour wins,

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all but one of the cyclists who
finished on the podium with Armstrong

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were implicated
in doping scandals.

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And finally,
the last thing I'll say for

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the people that
don't believe in cycling,

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the cynics and the skeptics,
I'm sorry for you.

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I'm sorry you can't dream big, and I'm
sorry you don't believe in miracles.

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After winning in 2005,
what better moment to walk away?

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What better moment to stay away?

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Why couldn't he have
just said thank you?

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"I had a nice career and now it's over.
Thank you."

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But that's not in him.

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And that urge to crush,
that urge

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to push back,
that urge to dominate,

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not just to be content with
winning, but that urge to dominate,

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is what ended up
bringing him down.

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Lance tried to
dominate my film, too.

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He had lied to me, straight to
my face, all throughout 2009.

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When the truth
came out, I told him

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he owed me
an explanation on camera.

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Whether he wanted to try
to make things right

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or whether he still wanted
to influence my story,

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he agreed to sit
down one more time.

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You vigorously
defended your reputation.

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Do you feel,
in retrospect, that you were

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protecting that too assiduously?

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Had the lie become too big? Did
it get out of control for you?

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Yeah, that's
the biggest regret of my life.

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Um, I'm a fighter.
I grew up a fighter.

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I was a fighter on the bike.
I was a fighter off the bike.

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And if you were in the race, I was
competitive and I was fighting.

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I forgot to turn that...

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I'd get off the bike, and whether
it's in a press conference,

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whether it's in a team setting,

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whether it's in
a personal relationship,

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I continued to fight.

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And I wanted to defend myself,

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and I wanted to defend the
sport, the team, my foundation.

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I was defending
all of these things,

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and I was
prepared to say anything.

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The gift that he has that gets
overlooked is his gift as a storyteller,

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his gift as a manager
of his own storyline.

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A guy at death's door comes back

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to win the toughest
event on the planet.

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The story brought more money,

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brought more attention,
brought more sponsorship,

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brought more inspiration.

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Lance became this
international cultural icon.

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And he had to
keep the story going.

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He could've ridden around the
world to raise money for cancer.

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There were a lot of
things he could've done,

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but the best story is
to go back to the Tour.

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By racing the bicycle
all over the world,

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beginning in Australia,
ending in France,

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it is the best way to
promote this initiative.

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It's the best way
to get the word out.

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He understood the power of
that story, and he used it.

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The disease, testicular
cancer, travels up a young man's body,

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so next stop is the abdomen.

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Next stop is the lungs.

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And the last stop is the brain.

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My dumb ass just
ignored symptoms,

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obvious, glaring, dirty
symptoms, for a long time.

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And it traveled all the way up.

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Severe headaches.

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Blurry vision.

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Coughing up of blood.

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Extreme pain downstairs.

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I read that you had a testicle
the size of an orange.

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That's an exaggeration.

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Lemon?

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Good-sized lemon.

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In 1996, Lance had
the cancerous testicle removed

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and flew to Indiana University
for an experimental treatment.

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The doctors there
thought Lance's chances

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of survival were less than 50%.

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Lance underwent brain surgery
to remove cancerous lesions,

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then began a special chemotherapy
program that would not scar his lungs.

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The immediate side
effects would be brutal,

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but if he survived, the treatment
would protect his career.

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Whatever I do in cycling, or
whatever I do in the Tour de France,

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or whatever I do in training, I'll
never suffer like I did then.

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That initial surgery to remove
that primary tumor in the testicle

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was a big surgery, a big cut.

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The cut was
probably six inches long,

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right up at the waist
and very physically painful.

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So I got on the bike and I just

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gently rode
around my neighborhood.

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That was a big day for me.

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And I went half a mile.

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And I did it in tennis shoes, and
I did it on a mountain bike.

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But I was on the bike.
I was pedaling the bike.

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All the feelings that are associated
with that, the wind in the hair,

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that initial sense of freedom
that a bicycle gives a child.

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Kids love bikes because it's the first
time in their life they're free.

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It's the first time when they're
not in their mom's car,

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they're not in Mom's living room,
they're not in Mom's backyard.

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They get on the bike,
they go down,

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they take a right, take a left.

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Nobody sees them.
They're completely free.

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♪ I'm a mean machine

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♪ I'm the kind
you don't wanna meet

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♪ My middle name is trouble

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♪ I'm a danger in the street I'

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Lance Armstrong
grew up in Plano, Texas,

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raised by a young mother
who worked as a receptionist.

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He never met his father.

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He comes out of Plano,
Texas, and he comes out angry.

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He comes out ready to
take on the world with

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his mom at his side
and needing no one else.

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My morn, she doesn't
really have that much money, so...

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I could probably get
money from somebody,

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but I don't wanna borrow money,

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so there's pressure
to make the money.

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You can see in
the yellow helmet there

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the youngest professional in
the field from Plane, Texas,

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16-year-old Lance Armstrong.

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I just like
competing with the best, man.

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I like beating those guys.
I love beating people.

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♪ Comin' at you live

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♪ Comm' atcha live

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♪ Comin' at you live

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♪ Comm' atcha live

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♪ Comin' at you live

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I Oh, here I come ♪

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He got into a fight with
one of his coaches early on,

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and the thing he kept saying
is, "You're not my dad."

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And I think that statement

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has been something he's been
telling everybody since then.

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Kids from Plano High School, "Hey,
you're not in charge of me."

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European cyclists,

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"Hey, I'm going
to take you all on,

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"and I'm going to
show you who's boss."

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Oh my, oh no, no!

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It's Armstrong
who's losing the temper.

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I was content with my career.

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In '93, '94, '95,
I was a young kid.

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One of the best
one-day racers in the world.

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I made plenty of money.

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I thought, "This is cool. I'm young.
I make some decent money here.

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"I'll just do
this for a few years

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"and then find
something else to do."

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Then the disease came along,
took all of that away.

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Just gone.

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And when I came back, I thought,

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"Nobody thinks I'm
gonna do anything.

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"I'm just washed-up,
damaged goods here."

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Which is really what
the view of the sport was.

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I thought, "Okay, fuck it. I'm gonna
try to win the Tour de France."

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He's got the
fastest time in half distance.

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SPORTSCASTER 2:
He really is flying, Paul,

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and he looks so good here, making his
big return to the Tour de France.

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He's been scorching it
on all the time checks.

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What a comeback this could be.
There's only two men behind him now.

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Armstrong is the leader.
That is astonishing.

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Beautiful.

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Good job, Lance.

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Hold on a second. There we go.
Say hi to the camera.

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This is Johan Bruyneel,
directeur sportif.

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Hi, camera.

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Here we are with the
rock star, George Hincapie.

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This is how he
prepares for a time trial.

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What's up, Lance?

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After his bout with cancer,

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Lance returned to the Tour in 1999,
racing for US Postal Service.

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Lance, Jon
Vaughters, Frankie Andreu.

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00:22:01,570 --> 00:22:03,618
We were just like
The Bad News Bears.

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Nobody was really
expecting us to do well.

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They were so young.

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They had a lot of optimism and
this youthful carelessness.

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I hate the French.

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Screw the French.

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And they were
gonna go over there

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and just dominate the Tour and
change the way cycling is run.

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Postal, this tiny team
from an unlikely place.

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They didn't have a team bus.

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They were so small
they just had two campers.

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Like a family going on vacation.

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Betsy, Frankie, smile.

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Say cheese.

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The innocence of '99, it's
a fantastic moment in the story.

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Howdy.

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It really started
with this spectacular prologue

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that Armstrong won by
a handful of seconds.

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And there it is,
the maillot jaune

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for an American,
Lance Armstrong.

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He put on the yellow jersey.

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And he's clueless about what to say
or what to feel or who to hug.

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I mean, right now
I'm so surprised.

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But yet I'm so pleased and so
happy for the team and for...

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It's the moment where
Lance crossed a boundary.

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And this man, Lance Armstrong,
from Texas, now has destroyed the field.

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That full
confidence that he had before

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he had cancer when he
was a little punk kid,

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you can see that building in
him as the Tour was going on.

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This man is quite unbelievable.

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00:23:26,322 --> 00:23:27,949
Towards the mountain stages,
when everybody was like,

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"Okay, this is when
he's gonna lose his jersey."

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That really helped
fuel him and fuel the team

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and pushed us to limits that we
thought we weren't capable of doing.

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And the boys who
have guided Lance Armstrong,

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they're in that yellow jersey
for two full weeks now.

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00:23:40,336 --> 00:23:42,805
It was an American team
bringing an American captain

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to the Tour de France and finishing
potentially on the podium.

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That was unprecedented.

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And there's no doubt now
who will win the Tour de France.

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We hoped maybe to
get a podium or top 10.

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Soto win was
beyond our comprehension.

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The power of the
story was growing every day.

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But so were the suspicions
among seasoned observers

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that it may have been
too good to be true.

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In 1999,
the Tour de France organizers

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were desperate for what they
called a "Tour of Renewal,"

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where they could renew the
public's faith in their race.

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00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:20,213
You've gotta go back to 1998

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when Lance was
just about coming back

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into racing after
his cancer recovery.

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We had this
extraordinary Tour de France

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00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:29,473
where the world number one
team at the time, Festina,

492
00:24:29,551 --> 00:24:31,804
had their masseur
traveling to the race.

493
00:24:31,887 --> 00:24:34,140
And he was stopped
by French customs

494
00:24:34,264 --> 00:24:36,517
and they found a huge
cargo of drugs inside.

495
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,399
The police then came
and investigated other teams,

496
00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:42,402
and pretty much wherever they
looked, they found drugs.

497
00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:44,108
So that was 1998.

498
00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:46,740
A year later,
Lance Armstrong comes back.

499
00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:49,163
He was sensational.

500
00:24:49,238 --> 00:24:52,037
And everybody who was at that race,
in terms of the journalists,

501
00:24:52,116 --> 00:24:55,871
when Lance made his big attack
in the mountains to Sestriere,

502
00:24:55,953 --> 00:24:59,082
I was in the press room that
day, I saw the reaction.

503
00:24:59,164 --> 00:25:02,543
People were laughing, incredulous.
They didn't believe this.

504
00:25:02,626 --> 00:25:04,970
Because here we had a guy
who'd come back from cancer,

505
00:25:05,045 --> 00:25:08,970
supposedly riding the race
clean, riding more effortlessly,

506
00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:11,393
with greater power
at a greater speed

507
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:13,854
than all the Tours
that had gone before.

508
00:25:13,929 --> 00:25:15,931
So it just didn't make sense.

509
00:25:16,974 --> 00:25:19,227
We have to remember, this is
a guy who is not thought of

510
00:25:19,309 --> 00:25:21,903
as somebody who could potentially
win the Tour de France.

511
00:25:21,979 --> 00:25:24,198
He had always been
strong in short races,

512
00:25:24,273 --> 00:25:26,673
but never over the long haul and
he had never been a climber.

513
00:25:26,775 --> 00:25:30,200
Whenever you start the Tour, they
make you fill out these forms.

514
00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:33,123
"How many Tours have you done?
How many have you completed?"

515
00:25:33,198 --> 00:25:39,126
And I remember in '99, I had
to write down four and one.

516
00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:41,298
Thinking,
"That's not a great record."

517
00:25:42,583 --> 00:25:45,883
Lance Armstrong winning,
at one level, created a problem

518
00:25:45,961 --> 00:25:48,680
because the organizers had
actually said before the race,

519
00:25:48,756 --> 00:25:50,633
"We want this race to be slower

520
00:25:50,716 --> 00:25:52,684
"than the drug
races of previous years

521
00:25:52,843 --> 00:25:56,814
"to prove to the public that these
guys are now using less drugs."

522
00:25:56,889 --> 00:25:59,108
But it was
the fastest ever Tour.

523
00:25:59,183 --> 00:26:01,231
But on the other hand,
they had this winner

524
00:26:01,310 --> 00:26:03,483
who was the most romantic figure

525
00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:05,739
that sport maybe had ever known.

526
00:26:05,814 --> 00:26:10,160
A cancer survivor, overcoming the
disease, comes back and wins the Tour.

527
00:26:10,235 --> 00:26:12,203
Yeah, they liked that.

528
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:15,123
With Lance Armstrong
winning the Tour de France,

529
00:26:15,199 --> 00:26:18,669
that opened up this
huge market in the US.

530
00:26:18,744 --> 00:26:23,375
Oakley and Nike and Trek
and Bristol-Myers Squibb.

531
00:26:23,457 --> 00:26:24,458
You name it.

532
00:26:24,541 --> 00:26:27,795
There was a long list of companies
that were just getting in line

533
00:26:27,878 --> 00:26:29,471
to sign deals
with Lance Armstrong

534
00:26:29,546 --> 00:26:31,344
because they knew who Lance was,

535
00:26:31,465 --> 00:26:33,263
as a cancer
survivor and as a person,

536
00:26:33,342 --> 00:26:36,767
and an advocate for the
cancer-surviving community.

537
00:26:37,888 --> 00:26:40,186
When he first won
in '99, that was

538
00:26:40,349 --> 00:26:42,602
the last time he
was just a bike racer.

539
00:26:42,684 --> 00:26:46,154
And after that,
he became a celebrity.

540
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:50,485
That celebrity is what gave
him such immense power.

541
00:26:50,567 --> 00:26:53,491
This is not a story about doping.
It's a story about power.

542
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:56,619
And Lance got
the power in '99 and the story

543
00:26:56,740 --> 00:26:59,789
became hanging onto that power.

544
00:26:59,868 --> 00:27:03,338
Even in 1999, Lance
came close to getting caught

545
00:27:03,413 --> 00:27:05,791
when steroids showed
up in a urine test.

546
00:27:05,874 --> 00:27:09,048
It turns out I
was using some cream

547
00:27:09,128 --> 00:27:11,722
for what we call a saddle sore.

548
00:27:12,297 --> 00:27:15,141
It was something
that we all use.

549
00:27:15,217 --> 00:27:18,391
Cortisone cream that
you use for a crash

550
00:27:18,512 --> 00:27:21,686
or for a boil or any
sort of skin infection.

551
00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:26,858
The traces were so small.
They were ridiculous.

552
00:27:26,937 --> 00:27:31,067
It was always on my heels
right away from '99.

553
00:27:33,235 --> 00:27:35,408
Of course, there were plenty of

554
00:27:35,571 --> 00:27:37,744
supporters and
cheerleaders in the press.

555
00:27:37,823 --> 00:27:40,104
Lance Armstrong forced once
again to defend himself there,

556
00:27:40,117 --> 00:27:42,415
which is becoming a depressingly
familiar sight on this Tour.

557
00:27:42,494 --> 00:27:44,713
But tonight, he has
some very high-level help

558
00:27:44,788 --> 00:27:47,416
because the UCI, the
world-governing body of cycling,

559
00:27:47,499 --> 00:27:49,100
have just released
this press communique.

560
00:27:49,376 --> 00:27:52,255
It goes against all their commitment
to medical secrecy, they say,

561
00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:54,715
but they want to do it
to clarify this situation

562
00:27:54,798 --> 00:27:56,766
and stop it getting
further out of hand.

563
00:27:56,842 --> 00:27:58,435
They confirm that
the rider used an

564
00:27:58,552 --> 00:28:00,054
ointment and they
give the brand name,

565
00:28:00,137 --> 00:28:04,313
and that he also offered them a
medical prescription before his test.

566
00:28:04,933 --> 00:28:08,278
It showed up in the
test, and Verbruggen just said,

567
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,694
"Look, you gotta give us a reason
for this being in your system."

568
00:28:12,524 --> 00:28:15,368
So the guys
scoured the Internet,

569
00:28:15,485 --> 00:28:18,364
looking for this
particular type of cortisone,

570
00:28:18,447 --> 00:28:21,951
and we found one that was,
indeed, a cream.

571
00:28:23,202 --> 00:28:25,296
And we said it was
for saddle sores.

572
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:26,587
When you say
Verbruggen came to you,

573
00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:27,877
do you mean he came to you like,

574
00:28:27,956 --> 00:28:30,254
"Give us some excuse so that we don't
have to make an issue of this"?

575
00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:33,838
He didn't come to me.
He went to Johan.

576
00:28:33,921 --> 00:28:35,889
Johan told me that he did speak

577
00:28:35,964 --> 00:28:38,262
to Verbruggen about
Lance's positive test.

578
00:28:38,675 --> 00:28:40,803
Verbruggen, the head of the UCI,

579
00:28:40,886 --> 00:28:43,810
denies that the conversation
ever took place.

580
00:28:44,765 --> 00:28:48,269
I've proven my class.
I've showed my class from day one.

581
00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:50,028
There's no secrets here.

582
00:28:50,103 --> 00:28:53,073
We have the oldest secret
in the book, hard work.

583
00:28:55,817 --> 00:28:58,570
The ninth day of the
Tour de France world-famous bike race

584
00:28:58,654 --> 00:29:00,702
brings the greatest
challenge yet,

585
00:29:00,822 --> 00:29:02,916
the lofty hills of
the Maritime Alps.

586
00:29:02,991 --> 00:29:06,621
This is the acid test
of stamina and endurance.

587
00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:11,793
The Tour de France has
always been a brutal event.

588
00:29:12,668 --> 00:29:15,922
For a few dollars from sponsors
looking for human billboards,

589
00:29:16,004 --> 00:29:19,304
working-class riders
are willing to suffer.

590
00:29:19,383 --> 00:29:21,135
An ascent in
the mountains can mean

591
00:29:21,218 --> 00:29:24,939
climbing steep grades
for more than 20 miles.

592
00:29:25,013 --> 00:29:28,187
Lifting a man and his
bicycle up the rising road

593
00:29:28,267 --> 00:29:30,645
demands
a furious release of energy

594
00:29:30,727 --> 00:29:32,855
that is higher than any
other animal on earth,

595
00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:35,074
except a hummingbird.

596
00:29:35,148 --> 00:29:38,948
That inhuman suffering carves
the body in unnatural ways

597
00:29:39,027 --> 00:29:41,029
and leaves riders to search
for doping methods

598
00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:44,366
that can dull pain
and push human limits.

599
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,793
There's always
been a form of doping

600
00:29:46,910 --> 00:29:48,457
in any form of endurance sport.

601
00:29:48,537 --> 00:29:51,507
And in the Tour de France,
originally it was alcohol.

602
00:29:51,581 --> 00:29:53,379
You'd be passed
a bottle of beer up by a monk

603
00:29:53,542 --> 00:29:55,294
on a mountaintop
and you'd drink it.

604
00:29:56,545 --> 00:29:59,424
They enter a cafe,
shoving everyone aside.

605
00:29:59,756 --> 00:30:02,930
And take anything:
red wine, champagne, beer.

606
00:30:03,343 --> 00:30:05,220
Even water,
if there's nothing better.

607
00:30:05,429 --> 00:30:09,650
Then, of course, the clever doctors
would come on board saying to athletes,

608
00:30:09,725 --> 00:30:11,648
"We can prepare you
properly for the Tour.

609
00:30:11,893 --> 00:30:15,864
"We'll not just give you dope, but we'll
tell you the correct diet, how to train,

610
00:30:15,939 --> 00:30:19,660
"and then the coup de grace is
to give you the needle of EPO,

611
00:30:19,735 --> 00:30:21,988
"and you're gonna be
10% better than your rival."

612
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:23,242
That is enormous.

613
00:30:23,322 --> 00:30:25,700
And that became
apparent in the 1990s,

614
00:30:25,782 --> 00:30:27,455
firstly, with the Italians.

615
00:30:30,454 --> 00:30:32,752
This ancient-walled
city in northern Italy

616
00:30:32,914 --> 00:30:35,212
became a center for
a group of doctors

617
00:30:35,292 --> 00:30:38,296
determined to find a way
to boost cycling performance.

618
00:30:39,588 --> 00:30:44,435
The most notorious of these was Lance
Armstrong's trainer Michele Ferrari.

619
00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:47,604
He was a doctor that gave a training
program, a full medical program,

620
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:50,808
and would boost your career
and make you into

621
00:30:52,309 --> 00:30:53,606
the king of the road.

622
00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:56,522
He had a very bad reputation

623
00:30:56,605 --> 00:31:00,985
as being a doctor that could set
people up with a doping program.

624
00:31:02,069 --> 00:31:05,369
If you took all the rumors

625
00:31:05,447 --> 00:31:11,295
and the smoke and the stories
of the dark side of cycling

626
00:31:11,370 --> 00:31:16,251
and condensed them into one human
being, that would be Michele Ferrari.

627
00:31:18,794 --> 00:31:24,767
But he turns out to be a very delightful,
communicative, expressive scientist.

628
00:31:24,841 --> 00:31:26,593
That's the bit that
gets lost a little bit.

629
00:31:26,676 --> 00:31:29,771
I think he comes across as sort
of a cloak-and-dagger enabler,

630
00:31:29,846 --> 00:31:32,099
when in fact, his whole story,

631
00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:34,397
his core interest, the way
he educated himself,

632
00:31:34,476 --> 00:31:36,478
is essentially scientific.

633
00:31:37,479 --> 00:31:39,481
Michele Ferrari was
obsessed with pushing

634
00:31:39,648 --> 00:31:41,525
the limits of human
athletic performance.

635
00:31:42,484 --> 00:31:45,909
If cyclists saw themselves
as biological racing machines,

636
00:31:45,987 --> 00:31:49,161
Ferrari was one of the world's
greatest mechanics.

637
00:31:50,659 --> 00:31:55,460
This is one of the first
relationship with Lance.

638
00:31:55,539 --> 00:32:00,887
Probably he was already with
cancer, but nobody knew.

639
00:32:00,961 --> 00:32:03,555
Surprisingly,
in 2009, Lance and his team

640
00:32:03,672 --> 00:32:06,266
gave me permission
to talk to Ferrari,

641
00:32:06,341 --> 00:32:09,094
a man who rarely gave
interviews to outsiders.

642
00:32:09,719 --> 00:32:13,690
So in '95, you saw Lance and
you thought he has enormous potential.

643
00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:15,813
He was able to
develop a lot of power,

644
00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:18,028
absolute power, a lot of watts.

645
00:32:18,812 --> 00:32:20,985
His potential was impressive.

646
00:32:22,107 --> 00:32:27,705
His engine, you can say his
heart, lungs, is big, is huge.

647
00:32:29,489 --> 00:32:31,867
After Lance
survived cancer, Ferrari found

648
00:32:32,033 --> 00:32:34,377
a way to turn his
weakness into strength.

649
00:32:34,453 --> 00:32:38,003
He was definitely lighter.

650
00:32:38,081 --> 00:32:43,463
He lose a lot of muscles in the whole
body, upper and also in the legs.

651
00:32:43,545 --> 00:32:47,550
He lose a lot of power
in terms of strength.

652
00:32:47,632 --> 00:32:49,634
To make up for
the loss of strength,

653
00:32:49,718 --> 00:32:53,143
Ferrari had Lance shift to a
lower gear and pedal faster.

654
00:32:53,221 --> 00:32:56,851
So he essentially was
shifting the load from the muscles

655
00:32:56,933 --> 00:33:00,107
to the heart and
the lungs and the blood.

656
00:33:01,438 --> 00:33:07,070
And if you can have the aerobic
engine to sustain a higher cadence,

657
00:33:07,152 --> 00:33:09,280
you can go farther,
faster, longer.

658
00:33:10,113 --> 00:33:12,912
Ferrari also
included a secret ingredient,

659
00:33:12,991 --> 00:33:15,585
drugs to boost oxygen
in the blood that had

660
00:33:15,744 --> 00:33:18,338
a special impact
with the new cadence.

661
00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:20,666
This unbelievable
cadence that he's adopted

662
00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:23,043
since he survived
testicular cancer

663
00:33:23,126 --> 00:33:24,594
is what has
allowed him to become

664
00:33:24,753 --> 00:33:26,255
one of the best
climbers in the world.

665
00:33:27,172 --> 00:33:29,516
Utilizing a higher cadence...

666
00:33:29,591 --> 00:33:32,219
At the beginning,
we had to do this choice.

667
00:33:32,469 --> 00:33:37,566
And then, because this choice paid
in term of results, we continued.

668
00:33:39,643 --> 00:33:42,487
Ferrari's remarkably unromantic.

669
00:33:42,562 --> 00:33:44,610
I remember one
particular conversation.

670
00:33:44,731 --> 00:33:46,733
We had just
finished a training ride.

671
00:33:46,816 --> 00:33:51,162
And I said, "Am I watching the
limits of human potential here?

672
00:33:51,238 --> 00:33:52,364
"Is that what I'm seeing?"

673
00:33:52,447 --> 00:33:54,370
And Ferrari almost laughed.

674
00:33:54,449 --> 00:33:57,123
He said, "We're
nowhere near the limit.

675
00:33:57,244 --> 00:33:59,793
"No, there are ways
to push the limits."

676
00:34:01,790 --> 00:34:04,259
Amongst the 200 guys doing
the Tour de France at that point,

677
00:34:04,334 --> 00:34:08,180
they're like, "You're working
with Ferrari. Okay. Respect."

678
00:34:08,255 --> 00:34:10,007
He knew that
everybody was doping.

679
00:34:10,090 --> 00:34:14,095
He was like, "Look, you can't
do this stuff on your own.

680
00:34:14,177 --> 00:34:17,681
"You guys aren't doctors. You have
no idea what all this stuff is.

681
00:34:17,764 --> 00:34:19,311
"So here's what I'm gonna do.

682
00:34:19,391 --> 00:34:23,146
"You can still dope a little bit.
I'll tell you what to do.

683
00:34:24,312 --> 00:34:27,111
"The minimum amount of doping,
the maximum amount of training.

684
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:29,113
"Nutrition. Lifestyle.

685
00:34:29,192 --> 00:34:30,694
"Everything that
goes into making you

686
00:34:30,777 --> 00:34:32,620
"a good cyclist,
I will help you with."

687
00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:35,119
And doping was just
a small piece of that.

688
00:34:36,366 --> 00:34:39,085
Ferrari was careful
about doping for another reason.

689
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,413
He wanted to avoid detection.

690
00:34:41,496 --> 00:34:44,090
He had sources
inside anti-doping labs

691
00:34:44,207 --> 00:34:46,801
who kept him updated
on the latest tests.

692
00:34:46,876 --> 00:34:50,597
And Ferrari's whole program
was cloaked in secrecy.

693
00:34:53,758 --> 00:34:56,682
In March 1999, Lance said,

694
00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:59,731
"I gotta go see Michele.
I have to do some testing."

695
00:34:59,806 --> 00:35:03,276
We met Michele Ferrari,
Lance's doctor,

696
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,113
who traveled in a camper van,

697
00:35:07,188 --> 00:35:10,567
in the parking lot
outside of Milano

698
00:35:10,692 --> 00:35:14,071
off the highway by
a hotel gas station.

699
00:35:15,238 --> 00:35:19,414
I don't know about you, but I
don't see my doctor that way.

700
00:35:19,618 --> 00:35:21,837
It's best that you use
the most knowledgeable people,

701
00:35:21,911 --> 00:35:26,087
regardless of their reputation.

702
00:35:26,166 --> 00:35:28,635
It's a great mind in cycling

703
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:31,133
and somebody that I consider
and my team considers

704
00:35:31,212 --> 00:35:34,466
to be an honest
man and a fair man.

705
00:35:37,594 --> 00:35:39,642
The guy was a liar and a cheat.

706
00:35:39,721 --> 00:35:42,349
Not only did he dope,
but he doped

707
00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:45,068
with the best
expertise available.

708
00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:47,066
Dr. Ferrari provides that.

709
00:35:47,145 --> 00:35:50,490
And he doped in the most
professional, efficient way,

710
00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:53,068
perhaps in the history of sport.

711
00:35:53,151 --> 00:35:55,370
What kind of message
do you think that your

712
00:35:55,487 --> 00:35:57,660
working relationship
with Michele Ferrari

713
00:35:57,739 --> 00:36:00,538
sends out to
the general sporting public?

714
00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:04,412
Well, David, I'm glad
you showed up, finally.

715
00:36:04,579 --> 00:36:06,581
It's good to see
you finally here.

716
00:36:10,043 --> 00:36:11,841
Good question.

717
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,265
Again, I think that
people are not stupid.

718
00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:17,092
People will look at the facts.

719
00:36:17,175 --> 00:36:19,348
They will say, "Okay,
here's Lance Armstrong.

720
00:36:19,427 --> 00:36:21,725
"Here's the relationship.

721
00:36:21,805 --> 00:36:23,557
"Is that questionable?"

722
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,484
Perhaps. But people are smart.

723
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:30,780
Do they say, "Has Lance Armstrong
ever tested positive?" No.

724
00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:33,483
"Has Lance Armstrong
been tested?" A lot.

725
00:36:33,692 --> 00:36:36,696
Is it fairly easy to
prepare for a test?

726
00:36:36,778 --> 00:36:39,748
Does it dissipate
in your system really quickly?

727
00:36:39,823 --> 00:36:42,827
The half-life of
EPO is four hours.

728
00:36:44,911 --> 00:36:47,130
So, you can back
it out from there

729
00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:49,799
and figure out when
you're in trouble.

730
00:36:50,333 --> 00:36:54,429
"Will he pass every test
because he does not take EPO?"

731
00:36:54,504 --> 00:36:56,006
Yes, he will.

732
00:36:56,089 --> 00:36:58,842
My defense was that I've
passed every control you've given me.

733
00:36:58,925 --> 00:36:59,972
And that's true.

734
00:37:00,051 --> 00:37:02,554
The samples that
were given were clean.

735
00:37:02,637 --> 00:37:04,139
But you never,
ever stopped there.

736
00:37:04,305 --> 00:37:05,773
You always went
one step further.

737
00:37:05,849 --> 00:37:09,479
No, Alex. I can't...
I would have gone...

738
00:37:10,562 --> 00:37:12,985
if David Walsh wanted
to put on boxing gloves,

739
00:37:13,064 --> 00:37:14,816
I would have done it
right there. Let's go.

740
00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:18,904
You present yourself as
the cleanest of clean riders...

741
00:37:18,987 --> 00:37:23,208
And I have the proof,
which you refuse to believe.

742
00:37:23,283 --> 00:37:24,910
Just let me finish the question.

743
00:37:24,993 --> 00:37:27,542
You present yourself as the
cleanest of clean riders,

744
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:30,339
and yet you
associate with somebody

745
00:37:30,457 --> 00:37:33,176
whose reputation is
incredibly tarnished.

746
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:36,596
And that person is going to go
on trial in two months' time.

747
00:37:36,671 --> 00:37:39,675
Would you not think that it would
be in the interest of cycling

748
00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:42,557
for you to suspend your
relationship with Michele Ferrari

749
00:37:42,635 --> 00:37:47,482
until he has answered the
charges of which he's accused?

750
00:37:47,557 --> 00:37:49,605
You have a point.
It's my choice.

751
00:37:49,684 --> 00:37:51,982
I view him as innocent. He's
a clean man, in my opinion.

752
00:37:52,061 --> 00:37:53,779
Let there be a trial.

753
00:37:54,564 --> 00:37:56,111
There was a trial.

754
00:37:56,191 --> 00:38:00,071
The star witness was an Italian
cyclist, Filippo Simeoni.

755
00:38:01,863 --> 00:38:05,117
He told me very clearly
that to prepare for a big race

756
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,998
I needed to take
certain substances.

757
00:38:07,076 --> 00:38:08,168
In particular, EPO.

758
00:38:08,828 --> 00:38:11,297
I had some journals confiscated

759
00:38:11,414 --> 00:38:17,512
where I meticulously documented
my interactions with Ferrari

760
00:38:18,463 --> 00:38:20,966
In October 2004,
the Italian court

761
00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:23,593
convicted Dr. Ferrari
of sporting fraud,

762
00:38:23,676 --> 00:38:27,476
forcing Armstrong to publicly
end their relationship.

763
00:38:27,555 --> 00:38:31,856
However, Ferrari's conviction would
be overturned two years later.

764
00:38:31,935 --> 00:38:34,188
At the end, I was absolved.

765
00:38:35,396 --> 00:38:40,323
Probably, we need a movie to explain
the whole story with Simeoni.

766
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,081
But in
relationship with EPO, okay.

767
00:38:51,371 --> 00:38:56,969
Generational riders utilize
that drug in competition.

768
00:38:57,043 --> 00:39:01,423
That's historic true.

769
00:39:02,215 --> 00:39:06,641
EPO, or synthetic EPO stimulates
the production of red blood cells

770
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,142
which transmit
oxygen to the muscles.

771
00:39:09,222 --> 00:39:11,224
Originally
developed to treat anemia,

772
00:39:11,307 --> 00:39:13,605
cyclists began
using it in the 1990s

773
00:39:13,768 --> 00:39:16,021
to boost
performance and recovery.

774
00:39:16,104 --> 00:39:17,276
It doesn't make
your muscles stronger,

775
00:39:17,438 --> 00:39:18,564
it doesn't give you more energy.

776
00:39:18,648 --> 00:39:19,820
There's nothing you feel.

777
00:39:19,899 --> 00:39:23,699
It's just simply
that it allows your body

778
00:39:23,778 --> 00:39:27,499
to deliver more oxygen from
your lungs to your muscles.

779
00:39:27,574 --> 00:39:31,624
So, that burning sensation, that fatigue
where you can't go any further,

780
00:39:31,703 --> 00:39:33,751
it just happens later.

781
00:39:35,456 --> 00:39:38,130
It began in the late
'80s and into the early '90s,

782
00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:41,383
and our frustration
really came to a head in 1995.

783
00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:46,559
But leading up to that, specifically
1994, I was the world champion.

784
00:39:46,634 --> 00:39:49,057
I was wearing the world champion's
jersey, the rainbow-striped jersey,

785
00:39:49,137 --> 00:39:50,559
and competing clean.

786
00:39:50,638 --> 00:39:53,232
We were just
getting annihilated.

787
00:39:53,308 --> 00:39:55,902
Go on, Lance.
Give us the tour.

788
00:39:57,812 --> 00:39:59,064
Holy COW.

789
00:39:59,147 --> 00:40:01,696
There was a group of
us primarily living in Italy,

790
00:40:01,774 --> 00:40:05,654
and we just said, "We either have
to play ball here or go home."

791
00:40:06,613 --> 00:40:08,286
Were you pissed off
that you had to do it?

792
00:40:08,364 --> 00:40:10,662
Or was it just you
had to do what you had to do

793
00:40:10,825 --> 00:40:13,123
in order to be able to compete?

794
00:40:13,202 --> 00:40:14,624
The latter.

795
00:40:18,541 --> 00:40:22,512
Maybe I'd approach the
decision differently today,

796
00:40:22,587 --> 00:40:24,931
but at the time,
I didn't lose sleep over it.

797
00:40:26,966 --> 00:40:30,971
One time, I went into
Lance's room to borrow his laptop,

798
00:40:31,054 --> 00:40:33,307
and he's brushing his teeth
in his boxer shorts,

799
00:40:33,389 --> 00:40:37,360
and he decides to give himself a
shot of EPO right in front of me.

800
00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:39,779
That was an attempt
by him of just saying,

801
00:40:39,896 --> 00:40:42,240
"Listen, buddy,
you've stepped over the line.

802
00:40:42,315 --> 00:40:44,443
"You're in the club.
There's no going back."

803
00:40:44,525 --> 00:40:46,527
Where is everybody?

804
00:40:48,029 --> 00:40:50,157
His perspective
was, "Listen, this doping's

805
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,458
"been in place for 100
years in this sport.

806
00:40:52,575 --> 00:40:55,749
"And I came into the system, and
the system was already in place,

807
00:40:55,828 --> 00:40:58,923
"and I just have to
'play by the rules."'

808
00:40:58,998 --> 00:41:00,545
You weren't trying
to beat the system.

809
00:41:00,667 --> 00:41:02,067
You were trying to
be in the system.

810
00:41:02,377 --> 00:41:04,175
Nobody made me dope.

811
00:41:04,253 --> 00:41:07,883
I just knew that I had to dope to
do the sport that I love to do.

812
00:41:07,966 --> 00:41:10,310
I was a good bike
racer, and then all of a sudden,

813
00:41:10,385 --> 00:41:13,309
guys who can only sprint were getting
over big climbs in front of me

814
00:41:13,388 --> 00:41:16,232
and doing things that they
never could do before.

815
00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:19,151
And I was getting dropped
and struggling, and so...

816
00:41:20,895 --> 00:41:23,694
I lived with that for a while,
but after a while, I cracked.

817
00:41:23,773 --> 00:41:25,946
And so I ended up
taking EPO also.

818
00:41:26,025 --> 00:41:31,031
And admitting to it doesn't make
it justifiable or any better.

819
00:41:31,114 --> 00:41:33,617
But it was something that was
pretty prevalent at the time.

820
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:39,207
Now, in '99, when you were on
Lance's team, was there a team program?

821
00:41:41,958 --> 00:41:44,461
I'm not gonna go into all that.

822
00:41:46,879 --> 00:41:50,975
VAUGHTERS. Going into '99, there
were massive risks regarding doping.

823
00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:53,303
I was really scared.

824
00:41:53,386 --> 00:41:56,014
You could go to jail
for having this stuff.

825
00:41:56,097 --> 00:41:59,021
The big fear was basically
getting caught holding.

826
00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:02,855
The Festina affair was not an
entire team testing positive.

827
00:42:02,937 --> 00:42:04,905
The Festina affair
was a soigneur crossing

828
00:42:04,981 --> 00:42:06,983
a border and
a customs agent going,

829
00:42:07,150 --> 00:42:09,152
"Hang on a second."

830
00:42:11,279 --> 00:42:14,203
1999 was the year
they cracked the code.

831
00:42:14,282 --> 00:42:16,876
It was the year they figured
out how to win the race.

832
00:42:16,951 --> 00:42:20,797
They hit on a plan, and it was
really Lance who hit on a plan.

833
00:42:20,872 --> 00:42:22,920
They would hire a guy.

834
00:42:22,999 --> 00:42:25,468
He was Lance's gardener.
He was also a mechanic.

835
00:42:28,212 --> 00:42:31,512
They called him Motoman.
He had a fast red motorcycle.

836
00:42:31,591 --> 00:42:33,719
He was fearless.

837
00:42:33,801 --> 00:42:36,224
Motoman basically did the Tour
de France on a motorcycle,

838
00:42:36,304 --> 00:42:39,148
and he would meet up
with a staff member

839
00:42:39,223 --> 00:42:42,022
and just do a subtle handoff
at some restaurant.

840
00:42:42,101 --> 00:42:45,480
And then, next thing you know,
I was back at the hotel

841
00:42:45,646 --> 00:42:49,071
and the doctor
would administer it.

842
00:42:49,150 --> 00:42:51,744
A lot of people
who watch our programs

843
00:42:51,819 --> 00:42:54,368
have heard of your illness
and see you winning now

844
00:42:54,447 --> 00:42:56,745
and think it's
nothing short of a miracle.

845
00:42:56,824 --> 00:42:58,576
Do you see it that way?

846
00:42:59,660 --> 00:43:00,661
Um...

847
00:43:01,996 --> 00:43:03,339
It is a miracle.

848
00:43:03,831 --> 00:43:07,586
At that time, he had recently
taken delivery of EPO from Motoman.

849
00:43:07,668 --> 00:43:10,467
He was involved in
all manner of doping.

850
00:43:10,546 --> 00:43:14,221
If they were doing this
drug, why didn't they get caught?

851
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:16,348
Well, there was no
test for EPO at the time.

852
00:43:16,469 --> 00:43:18,597
Those early years,
people, they always say to me,

853
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:20,522
"Why didn't they do more?
Why didn't they do more?"

854
00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:24,694
They could not do any more.
You couldn't find it.

855
00:43:26,187 --> 00:43:28,815
In 2000, they
developed a test for EPO.

856
00:43:28,898 --> 00:43:31,492
So the smart guys,
Ferrari being one of them,

857
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:34,158
went back to
an older technology,

858
00:43:34,237 --> 00:43:38,834
which was you take out bags
of blood before the race.

859
00:43:38,908 --> 00:43:41,787
During the race,
you put them back in.

860
00:43:41,869 --> 00:43:44,918
During the race,
the body, in need of oxygen,

861
00:43:44,997 --> 00:43:46,874
is thirsty for red blood cells.

862
00:43:46,958 --> 00:43:49,802
A transfusion boosts the
number of red blood cells.

863
00:43:49,877 --> 00:43:54,178
And unlike EPO, transfusions are
almost impossible to detect.

864
00:43:54,257 --> 00:43:55,600
They're still against the rules,

865
00:43:55,675 --> 00:43:59,896
but hard to stop unless inspectors
can find the blood bags.

866
00:44:00,888 --> 00:44:03,391
My initial reaction to this
was how gross it was.

867
00:44:03,975 --> 00:44:09,027
That you want to
win this race so bad

868
00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:12,234
that you would take
your blood in a bag,

869
00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:17,948
put it in a cooler with ice
and beer and other stuff,

870
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:20,249
and then
eventually put it back in?

871
00:44:22,660 --> 00:44:24,913
On the other hand,
it's like, "Look,

872
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:27,332
"if this is what they
thought it took to win,

873
00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:30,715
"and that they also thought that
everybody else was doing it..."

874
00:44:30,793 --> 00:44:32,340
Is that an argument you buy?

875
00:44:32,420 --> 00:44:33,512
No, I don't buy it.

876
00:44:33,588 --> 00:44:37,013
But I think that when you're
talking about this stuff,

877
00:44:37,091 --> 00:44:40,937
there is definitely a moral
relativism to the whole thing.

878
00:44:41,012 --> 00:44:43,561
2000. It was a time
when they were

879
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:45,733
trying to implement the test.

880
00:44:45,808 --> 00:44:49,938
They didn't know exactly what was
positive, what was negative.

881
00:44:50,021 --> 00:44:51,443
The science wasn't ready yet.

882
00:44:51,522 --> 00:44:54,867
My suspicion is that
everybody used it at the Tour.

883
00:44:54,942 --> 00:44:57,866
Michele came to me and said,

884
00:44:57,945 --> 00:45:00,039
"You shouldn't
use EPO at the Tour.

885
00:45:00,114 --> 00:45:04,494
"I don't feel good about that. I think
they're close to getting the test right."

886
00:45:04,577 --> 00:45:06,454
He knew when
the test was gonna be ready.

887
00:45:06,621 --> 00:45:08,840
He said,
"it's not worth the risk.

888
00:45:08,956 --> 00:45:11,209
"Let's just do
one transfusion."

889
00:45:11,292 --> 00:45:12,714
We all agreed, and so we did one

890
00:45:12,793 --> 00:45:14,795
transfusion in
the middle of the Tour.

891
00:45:15,504 --> 00:45:18,474
But a lot of
the Tour was won before...

892
00:45:18,549 --> 00:45:23,555
The Tour was won on Hautacam in
2000 when I won by four minutes.

893
00:45:23,638 --> 00:45:25,640
That was pre-transfusion.

894
00:45:30,436 --> 00:45:32,939
But he made that call.

895
00:45:34,148 --> 00:45:36,116
And we all questioned that call.

896
00:45:36,192 --> 00:45:37,910
Because you thought
it wasn't gonna be enough.

897
00:45:37,985 --> 00:45:39,828
I thought that was
not gonna be enough.

898
00:45:43,449 --> 00:45:46,248
Each year, the bar got
nudged a little higher.

899
00:45:46,327 --> 00:45:48,421
The innovation demands grew.

900
00:45:48,496 --> 00:45:52,091
You had to keep up with the
Joneses or fall behind.

901
00:45:52,166 --> 00:45:54,589
It became this
game of hide-and-seek.

902
00:45:54,669 --> 00:45:57,263
And the best place to hide
sometimes is plain sight.

903
00:45:57,338 --> 00:45:59,306
And that's what they
chose to do in 2004.

904
00:46:00,341 --> 00:46:02,218
They faked
a mechanical breakdown,

905
00:46:02,343 --> 00:46:04,266
pulled the bus over
to the side of the road

906
00:46:04,345 --> 00:46:07,098
and administered blood bags
to the entire team.

907
00:46:07,181 --> 00:46:10,401
In front of everybody. In front of
the police, in front of the fans.

908
00:46:11,936 --> 00:46:14,405
It struck me as odd,
but it made sense.

909
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,482
We were gonna do it eventually.

910
00:46:16,565 --> 00:46:20,615
So might as well knock it out on
the bus before we got to the hotel

911
00:46:20,695 --> 00:46:22,197
and be done with it.

912
00:46:23,823 --> 00:46:26,918
When everyone cheats,
then it becomes hugely distorted.

913
00:46:26,993 --> 00:46:28,666
It becomes a different contest,

914
00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:30,413
a contest of who's
got the best doctor,

915
00:46:30,496 --> 00:46:34,967
who's got the most money, who's
got the biggest risk tolerance.

916
00:46:35,042 --> 00:46:38,467
And the guy who was that guy
for this era was Lance.

917
00:46:39,213 --> 00:46:41,181
That's where it
becomes a game of power.

918
00:46:41,257 --> 00:46:44,682
When you can say, "I'm signing up
Ferrari to be my exclusive doctor."

919
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,559
When you can say,
"I'm gonna use a private jet

920
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,399
"to travel around
to evade detection."

921
00:46:53,394 --> 00:46:56,022
Life, for me,
at the time, was moving fast.

922
00:46:56,814 --> 00:46:58,487
Look at 2005.

923
00:46:58,566 --> 00:47:00,819
I had won seven Tours in a row.

924
00:47:00,901 --> 00:47:03,324
I was engaged to
a beautiful rock star.

925
00:47:04,613 --> 00:47:06,991
But that all just
felt normal to me.

926
00:47:08,868 --> 00:47:12,668
I certainly was very confident
that I would never be caught.

927
00:47:17,418 --> 00:47:20,092
Armstrong rather enjoyed this.
I think he embraced it.

928
00:47:20,171 --> 00:47:21,889
I think he had the attitude,
"If you're gonna cheat,

929
00:47:21,964 --> 00:47:23,090
"you don't cheat halfway.

930
00:47:23,174 --> 00:47:25,051
"You cheat all the way.
You bring everything."

931
00:47:26,552 --> 00:47:28,680
If it's training, it's 100%.

932
00:47:28,763 --> 00:47:30,686
If it's equipment, it's 100%.

933
00:47:30,765 --> 00:47:32,642
If it's doping, it's 100%.

934
00:47:32,725 --> 00:47:36,525
So once he crossed that tine, and
once he'd overcome his moral dilemma,

935
00:47:36,604 --> 00:47:38,527
it was two feet in for him.

936
00:47:38,606 --> 00:47:39,949
Don't bring
a knife to a gunfight.

937
00:47:40,024 --> 00:47:43,369
I think he thought that the
Tour de France was a gunfight,

938
00:47:43,444 --> 00:47:46,243
and why show up with a knife
if everyone else has guns?

939
00:47:46,322 --> 00:47:48,916
When you take that killer
mentality and put it in a sport

940
00:47:48,991 --> 00:47:52,040
where there are no regulations,
where there are no rules

941
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:55,544
and people are transfusing bags of
blood and taking all kinds of drugs

942
00:47:55,623 --> 00:47:58,217
and using their power
to avoid being detected,

943
00:47:58,292 --> 00:48:00,340
that's where it
stops being sport

944
00:48:00,461 --> 00:48:02,555
and starts being
something much darker.

945
00:48:11,972 --> 00:48:14,100
Why did you come back in 2009?

946
00:48:14,183 --> 00:48:15,776
Did you think this
was an opportunity

947
00:48:15,851 --> 00:48:19,822
to actually convince people
that you had never doped?

948
00:48:19,897 --> 00:48:21,149
I don't think so.

949
00:48:21,232 --> 00:48:23,109
I don't think you're ever
gonna shut their mouths.

950
00:48:23,192 --> 00:48:27,789
But I did intend to go back
and win and do it clean.

951
00:48:27,863 --> 00:48:30,582
Did you have any
concern about going back

952
00:48:30,658 --> 00:48:32,376
and opening up
some of the questions

953
00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:34,211
that had been
raised in the past?

954
00:48:34,286 --> 00:48:35,788
Of course.

955
00:48:39,667 --> 00:48:43,342
So Lance knew the risk
he was taking in coming back.

956
00:48:44,380 --> 00:48:46,929
With new doping
controls in place in 2009,

957
00:48:47,007 --> 00:48:50,728
maybe he thought he had a
chance to ride clean and win.

958
00:48:50,803 --> 00:48:52,931
I thought that his
comeback might have been a way

959
00:48:53,013 --> 00:48:55,766
of proving to his
critics and to himself

960
00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:59,312
that it didn't matter
if he had doped in the past.

961
00:49:01,188 --> 00:49:03,111
I know what I did and didn't do,

962
00:49:03,232 --> 00:49:05,155
so therefore, I sleep at night.

963
00:49:05,526 --> 00:49:06,527
Um...

964
00:49:07,736 --> 00:49:10,285
And I'm one of the greatest
riders of all time.

965
00:49:10,364 --> 00:49:12,787
If you look at the books
and you look at the records,

966
00:49:12,867 --> 00:49:17,338
you won seven Tours in a period where
everybody thought everybody was dirty.

967
00:49:17,413 --> 00:49:20,883
If I win again,
they can't say that.

968
00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:23,302
They cannot.

969
00:49:23,377 --> 00:49:25,050
Well, you can, but...

970
00:49:25,129 --> 00:49:28,724
There'd be a few dickheads that
say that, trust me, but...

971
00:49:28,799 --> 00:49:30,221
No way.

972
00:49:32,428 --> 00:49:35,272
Lance,
you've spoken recently about

973
00:49:35,347 --> 00:49:41,275
the return of Ivan Basso and Floyd
Landis after their suspensions

974
00:49:41,353 --> 00:49:43,321
and that they
should be welcomed back.

975
00:49:43,397 --> 00:49:47,152
What is it about these dopers
that you seem to admire so much?

976
00:49:47,234 --> 00:49:49,953
So I'm driving to
the press conference.

977
00:49:50,029 --> 00:49:52,999
And George Hincapie texts me.

978
00:49:53,073 --> 00:49:57,419
And he says, "Kimmage is here. He's
asking all kinds of crazy questions."

979
00:49:57,495 --> 00:50:01,170
I knew the name, but I didn't
really know what he looked like.

980
00:50:01,248 --> 00:50:03,717
I knew he was Irish, obviously.

981
00:50:03,792 --> 00:50:07,171
And so I said, "Okay.
It's on. Today's the day.

982
00:50:07,254 --> 00:50:09,973
"He's gonna ask something. He's
gonna say something stupid."

983
00:50:10,049 --> 00:50:12,097
Excuse me.
What is your name again?

984
00:50:12,176 --> 00:50:14,679
My name is Paul Kimmage.
I work for Sunday Times.

985
00:50:14,762 --> 00:50:17,606
I asked for an interview,
but I didn't get one.

986
00:50:17,681 --> 00:50:19,183
Right. And just
as a little preface,

987
00:50:19,308 --> 00:50:20,810
I might just clear up one thing.

988
00:50:20,893 --> 00:50:22,691
The reason you
didn't get it, Paul...

989
00:50:22,770 --> 00:50:25,690
I wanted to make sure that was you
'cause I don't know what you look like.

990
00:50:26,690 --> 00:50:32,038
When I decided to come back, for
what I think is a very noble reason,

991
00:50:32,112 --> 00:50:37,744
you said, "Folks, the cancer has
been in remission for four years,

992
00:50:37,826 --> 00:50:40,875
"but our cancer
has now returned."

993
00:50:41,956 --> 00:50:44,084
Meaning me.

994
00:50:44,166 --> 00:50:46,385
I am here to fight this disease.

995
00:50:46,460 --> 00:50:48,383
I am here so that
I don't have to deal with it,

996
00:50:48,462 --> 00:50:50,009
you don't have to deal with it,

997
00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:53,389
none of us have to deal with it, my
children don't have to deal with it.

998
00:50:53,467 --> 00:50:56,016
But yet you said
that I am the cancer,

999
00:50:56,095 --> 00:50:58,189
and the cancer is
out of remission.

1000
00:50:58,264 --> 00:51:01,063
So I think it goes
without saying, no,

1001
00:51:01,141 --> 00:51:03,894
we're not gonna sit down
and do an interview.

1002
00:51:03,978 --> 00:51:06,197
And I don't think
anybody in this room

1003
00:51:06,313 --> 00:51:08,566
would sit down
for that interview.

1004
00:51:08,649 --> 00:51:12,074
You are not worth the chair that you're
sitting on with a statement like that,

1005
00:51:12,152 --> 00:51:17,033
with a disease that touches
everybody around the world.

1006
00:51:17,116 --> 00:51:18,789
Lance was
threatened there, and the only

1007
00:51:18,867 --> 00:51:21,040
thing he knows what
to do is to fight back.

1008
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,417
I have to say,
at least in the footage,

1009
00:51:22,538 --> 00:51:23,938
you look a little
bit uncomfortable.

1010
00:51:24,915 --> 00:51:26,132
Yeah, you think?

1011
00:51:26,208 --> 00:51:27,926
That's one of those moments
where you're thinking,

1012
00:51:28,002 --> 00:51:30,175
"Why the hell did you
come back to this sport?

1013
00:51:30,254 --> 00:51:31,676
"Why do you want to
deal with this stuff?"

1014
00:51:31,755 --> 00:51:33,007
I mean, here he was,

1015
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:38,350
a successful, retired athlete, and had
everything he wanted in the world.

1016
00:51:38,429 --> 00:51:41,103
Why would you want to come
back and suffer with us?

1017
00:51:42,016 --> 00:51:43,518
This sport is not
glamorous at all.

1018
00:51:43,601 --> 00:51:46,901
I mean, you go out, ride in
30 degrees in pouring rain.

1019
00:51:46,979 --> 00:51:49,653
You just suffer on
the bike all the time.

1020
00:51:49,815 --> 00:51:51,817
And yet he wanted
to come back to it

1021
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:54,744
and prove a point,
send a message.

1022
00:51:55,613 --> 00:51:57,661
Let's go, Lance!

1023
00:52:04,038 --> 00:52:08,043
♪ Well I stumbled
in the darkness

1024
00:52:08,125 --> 00:52:11,049
♪ I'm lost and alone

1025
00:52:12,171 --> 00:52:15,095
♪ Though I said I'd go before us

1026
00:52:16,675 --> 00:52:19,428
♪ And show the way back home

1027
00:52:21,055 --> 00:52:24,355
♪ There a light up ahead

1028
00:52:25,267 --> 00:52:27,770
♪ I can't hold onto her arm

1029
00:52:29,897 --> 00:52:35,404
♪ Forgive me pretty baby but I
always take the long way home

1030
00:52:36,362 --> 00:52:40,117
♪ Money's just
something you throw

1031
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:43,169
♪ Off the back of a train

1032
00:52:44,370 --> 00:52:47,249
♪ Got a head full of lightning

1033
00:52:48,999 --> 00:52:51,752
♪ A hat full of rain

1034
00:52:53,253 --> 00:52:56,803
♪ Watch your back
if I should tell you

1035
00:52:57,591 --> 00:53:00,970
♪ Love's the only thing
I've ever known

1036
00:53:01,929 --> 00:53:07,811
♪ One thing for sure pretty baby I
always take the long way home I

1037
00:53:10,604 --> 00:53:13,528
The misery of the rain
stung one rider more than most.

1038
00:53:13,607 --> 00:53:16,656
Lance's old teammate,
Floyd Landis.

1039
00:53:16,735 --> 00:53:19,454
Floyd had ridden with Lance
for three Tour wins.

1040
00:53:19,530 --> 00:53:23,831
He'd also won the Tour on his own,
only to be busted for doping.

1041
00:53:24,451 --> 00:53:26,328
In the middle of the pack,
he wondered,

1042
00:53:26,412 --> 00:53:28,335
why should he be
treated as a cheater

1043
00:53:28,414 --> 00:53:33,045
while his old teammate, Lance
Armstrong, was welcomed back as a hero?

1044
00:53:36,547 --> 00:53:38,299
Great job, boys.
Congratulations.

1045
00:53:39,466 --> 00:53:42,094
Floyd actually
contacted Johan Bruyneel,

1046
00:53:42,177 --> 00:53:44,555
and he said, "Can I just
get a spot on your team?"

1047
00:53:44,638 --> 00:53:45,730
And Bruyneel said, "Look.

1048
00:53:45,806 --> 00:53:48,605
"You're radioactive in cycling.
We can't have you on our team.

1049
00:53:48,726 --> 00:53:52,276
"We're trying to portray ourselves
as this clean cycling team

1050
00:53:52,354 --> 00:53:54,652
"and you're
a convicted doper."

1051
00:53:57,025 --> 00:54:00,074
Landis was enraged about the
hypocrisy there, right?

1052
00:54:00,154 --> 00:54:03,408
Here's Johan Bruyneel
talking about a clean team

1053
00:54:03,490 --> 00:54:05,538
with Lance Armstrong
as its biggest star.

1054
00:54:05,617 --> 00:54:08,496
Of course, Floyd knows all
the details of the truth.

1055
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:11,923
It was pretty tough
for him to swallow that.

1056
00:54:13,834 --> 00:54:17,589
The undertow of Floyd's
resentment would, in the end,

1057
00:54:17,671 --> 00:54:20,675
lead to the downfall
of Lance Armstrong.

1058
00:54:23,260 --> 00:54:24,762
Anybody else want to
write a message on the ground

1059
00:54:24,845 --> 00:54:26,768
for the Lance
Armstrong Foundation?

1060
00:54:26,847 --> 00:54:29,020
Hope rides again.
Hope rides again.

1061
00:54:31,059 --> 00:54:33,733
Lance!
I'm getting my pen ready!

1062
00:54:33,812 --> 00:54:36,156
There was a huge
energy at Tour of California.

1063
00:54:36,231 --> 00:54:37,904
It was almost like
he's a movie star.

1064
00:54:37,983 --> 00:54:39,951
There were people there that
know nothing about cycling,

1065
00:54:40,027 --> 00:54:41,950
and they were just screaming,
reaching over

1066
00:54:42,029 --> 00:54:44,873
the barriers, trying to touch
the great hope.

1067
00:54:44,948 --> 00:54:47,371
My grandpa loves you.

1068
00:54:48,786 --> 00:54:51,130
Will you sign this for my mom?
She's a cancer survivor.

1069
00:54:52,372 --> 00:54:54,374
This is a special year.
I wanted to come back,

1070
00:54:54,458 --> 00:54:57,132
and I wanted to tell this Livestrong
message around the world.

1071
00:54:57,211 --> 00:54:59,213
Some mock Livestrong
as nothing more than

1072
00:54:59,338 --> 00:55:01,306
a front to hide Lance's doping.

1073
00:55:01,381 --> 00:55:03,099
But I didn't see it that way.

1074
00:55:03,175 --> 00:55:08,147
Livestrong had raised over $300
million to support cancer victims.

1075
00:55:08,222 --> 00:55:10,395
And 70 million
people around the world

1076
00:55:10,557 --> 00:55:12,730
proudly wore those
yellow wristbands.

1077
00:55:18,899 --> 00:55:19,991
All right.

1078
00:55:20,108 --> 00:55:21,155
Thank you!

1079
00:55:21,235 --> 00:55:23,988
- What's he racing for?
- Sorry?

1080
00:55:24,071 --> 00:55:25,448
What's he racing for?

1081
00:55:25,572 --> 00:55:26,994
To raise money for cancer.

1082
00:55:27,074 --> 00:55:28,792
He raises money?
Yeah, to help...

1083
00:55:28,867 --> 00:55:29,867
And then he gives it to us?

1084
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:30,911
Yeah.

1085
00:55:32,162 --> 00:55:34,540
The ones who always
stick with you are kids.

1086
00:55:34,623 --> 00:55:37,126
There's nothing like
seeing a kid with cancer.

1087
00:55:37,209 --> 00:55:38,677
Visibly with cancer.

1088
00:55:38,752 --> 00:55:41,005
And at the same time,
there's nothing like

1089
00:55:41,129 --> 00:55:43,382
seeing the parents of
a child with cancer.

1090
00:55:43,465 --> 00:55:46,969
So, while I've been that
patient, now I'm a parent.

1091
00:55:47,094 --> 00:55:51,816
And I can't imagine being that mom
or that dad in that hospital room,

1092
00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:56,316
looking down on a 5-year-old that's
weak, that doesn't want to eat.

1093
00:55:56,395 --> 00:55:59,023
Just hanging out? Yeah?

1094
00:55:59,106 --> 00:56:01,484
It's a little crazy
in there. Yeah.

1095
00:56:01,567 --> 00:56:04,446
There are some
crazy girls in there.

1096
00:56:04,528 --> 00:56:06,997
I wouldn't go in there. No.

1097
00:56:07,072 --> 00:56:10,747
I've seen him with
kids in the cancer wards.

1098
00:56:10,826 --> 00:56:14,456
And I also know people he's
reached out to, and that's real.

1099
00:56:14,538 --> 00:56:17,462
It's as genuine as sort of
that fury he has on the bike.

1100
00:56:17,541 --> 00:56:18,838
Hello!

1101
00:56:18,917 --> 00:56:20,965
We heard lots of
different things about Lance.

1102
00:56:21,044 --> 00:56:23,763
"Maybe he's doping."
"He's not a nice guy."

1103
00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:27,218
But all of a sudden, there are
wards full of people who think,

1104
00:56:27,301 --> 00:56:31,022
"Not only can I beat this disease,
I can be better than I was."

1105
00:56:31,096 --> 00:56:32,348
Good luck.

1106
00:56:32,431 --> 00:56:37,528
Ultimately, the chasm between
being this hero and the reality of it

1107
00:56:37,603 --> 00:56:40,072
just bothered people hugely.

1108
00:56:40,147 --> 00:56:43,993
He thought that, "Because I raised so much
money and I gave so many people hope,

1109
00:56:44,067 --> 00:56:46,035
"it allows me to do what
I did." No, it doesn't.

1110
00:56:46,737 --> 00:56:48,159
The critics say I'm arrogant.

1111
00:56:52,242 --> 00:56:53,994
A doper.

1112
00:56:56,830 --> 00:56:57,956
Washed up.

1113
00:57:01,126 --> 00:57:03,003
A fraud.

1114
00:57:06,423 --> 00:57:08,175
That I couldn't let it go.

1115
00:57:11,929 --> 00:57:14,352
They can say whatever they want.

1116
00:57:14,431 --> 00:57:17,685
I'm not back on
my bike for them.

1117
00:57:35,369 --> 00:57:37,292
The Tour of Italy
would be Lance's

1118
00:57:37,371 --> 00:57:39,715
vital warm-up for
the Tour de France.

1119
00:57:39,790 --> 00:57:42,464
He was determined to
see how he would fare

1120
00:57:42,542 --> 00:57:45,386
riding clean against
the best riders in the world.

1121
00:57:47,881 --> 00:57:50,054
I look to have some good days.

1122
00:57:50,133 --> 00:57:52,807
If I left the Tour of Italy,
and I didn't win a stage

1123
00:57:52,886 --> 00:57:55,639
and I wasn't a factor
on some of the difficult days,

1124
00:57:55,722 --> 00:57:59,397
I'd be disappointed,
and I think I have to do that.

1125
00:58:01,144 --> 00:58:03,613
To challenge
his critics, Lance started

1126
00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:06,233
to post his blood
values during the Giro.

1127
00:58:06,316 --> 00:58:07,909
Based on those findings,

1128
00:58:07,985 --> 00:58:10,204
even the most
skeptical observers

1129
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,493
concluded that
Lance was riding clean.

1130
00:58:12,572 --> 00:58:15,701
The big question was,
"Could he still compete?"

1131
00:58:15,784 --> 00:58:22,167
Anytime you see him, if he's
in trouble, he can never be alone.

1132
00:58:22,249 --> 00:58:27,881
So, Dani, Jani and Chechu, on the
climb, you guys look for Lance.

1133
00:58:27,963 --> 00:58:30,057
And if there's a problem,
he needs guys to

1134
00:58:30,173 --> 00:58:32,267
stay with him and
pace him up the climb.

1135
00:58:44,855 --> 00:58:47,825
On this day's
final climb, Lance cracked

1136
00:58:47,941 --> 00:58:50,911
and dropped way
behind all the top racers.

1137
00:58:50,986 --> 00:58:53,614
His supporting riders
slowed down to stay with him.

1138
00:58:56,033 --> 00:59:00,379
It's tough because I put
pressure on myself and expect to...

1139
00:59:00,454 --> 00:59:03,173
In my mind, I think back to
what it used to be like.

1140
00:59:03,248 --> 00:59:07,253
And you forget that you've
been away for a few years.

1141
00:59:09,296 --> 00:59:11,139
It's hard, man.
It's not easy to be away.

1142
00:59:11,214 --> 00:59:16,095
And you can feel that...

1143
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:36,498
Blood, urine, both?
Both.

1144
00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:38,075
Both, cool.

1145
00:59:40,035 --> 00:59:42,879
Yesterday was
number 31, I believe.

1146
00:59:44,247 --> 00:59:45,749
Blood and urine.

1147
00:59:45,832 --> 00:59:48,255
More than anybody else.

1148
00:59:48,335 --> 00:59:53,091
While I do the blood, I don't want
that the cameras will film it.

1149
00:59:53,173 --> 00:59:54,470
And also when we go to...

1150
00:59:54,591 --> 00:59:55,888
Whose blood is it?

1151
00:59:57,677 --> 01:00:01,773
It's a Dopingkontrollstation,
and it's not public.

1152
01:00:01,848 --> 01:00:06,775
We've had this... Yeah, you
can call PWC or the UCI.

1153
01:00:06,853 --> 01:00:11,450
I know it's not comfortable for
you, but it's my right, so...

1154
01:00:11,525 --> 01:00:13,619
Okay.
We're gonna film it.

1155
01:00:13,693 --> 01:00:15,695
It's my blood and my urine.

1156
01:00:17,531 --> 01:00:19,408
Yeah, but...

1157
01:00:19,533 --> 01:00:21,410
Go ahead and call the UCI.

1158
01:00:21,493 --> 01:00:25,794
Nobody else than you and I,
we are going to the toilet.

1159
01:00:25,872 --> 01:00:28,216
Yeah, that's obvious.

1160
01:00:42,013 --> 01:00:43,560
Hello.

1161
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,563
Hi, Bella.

1162
01:00:47,269 --> 01:00:52,150
The biggest dilemma gets
to be that your home is your home.

1163
01:00:52,232 --> 01:00:54,576
You're there and you're eating
breakfast with your kids,

1164
01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:56,449
and they're getting
ready for day camp

1165
01:00:56,570 --> 01:00:58,322
and you're
thinking about your day,

1166
01:00:58,405 --> 01:01:00,407
and then these people just
kind of come into your world,

1167
01:01:00,490 --> 01:01:02,709
and it could take
close to an hour.

1168
01:01:02,784 --> 01:01:05,003
If you can't go to the bathroom,
it could take longer than that.

1169
01:01:05,078 --> 01:01:06,421
They sit there
and wait with you.

1170
01:01:06,496 --> 01:01:08,464
Is this the biggest
audience you've ever had?

1171
01:01:08,540 --> 01:01:09,837
Yes.

1172
01:01:11,334 --> 01:01:14,634
Nobody thinks that's normal.

1173
01:01:14,713 --> 01:01:16,215
We're used to it.

1174
01:01:16,298 --> 01:01:17,766
A few of the haters in the press

1175
01:01:17,841 --> 01:01:20,640
and these people that are just on
this whole anti-doping frenzy,

1176
01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:22,221
which I think we need...
There's a place for that,

1177
01:01:22,304 --> 01:01:23,977
but there are people
that are obsessed with it.

1178
01:01:24,055 --> 01:01:26,216
They think that's absolutely normal.
That's not normal.

1179
01:01:26,808 --> 01:01:29,357
Why are you taking blood, Dad?

1180
01:01:29,436 --> 01:01:31,109
For my job.

1181
01:01:32,439 --> 01:01:34,612
His job is to take blood.

1182
01:01:36,443 --> 01:01:37,444
No, her job is to take blood.

1183
01:01:37,527 --> 01:01:38,904
My job is to take blood.

1184
01:01:40,780 --> 01:01:42,748
My job is to give blood.

1185
01:01:42,866 --> 01:01:43,867
Oh.

1186
01:01:45,535 --> 01:01:47,037
All right.

1187
01:01:49,289 --> 01:01:51,633
Bye-bye, cameraman.

1188
01:01:51,708 --> 01:01:55,588
Bye-bye, cameraman
and funny, skinny man.

1189
01:01:57,464 --> 01:01:58,465
Go!

1190
01:01:59,966 --> 01:02:01,388
Let me tell you something.

1191
01:02:02,510 --> 01:02:05,730
I'm all for a clean game, but
this is fucking ridiculous.

1192
01:02:06,973 --> 01:02:08,350
Now here we are.

1193
01:02:08,433 --> 01:02:12,779
Yesterday, we had a surprise UCI
control, the 31st of the season.

1194
01:02:12,854 --> 01:02:14,197
Now, this morning, again.

1195
01:02:14,272 --> 01:02:16,445
See you pull up.
Fine, no problem.

1196
01:02:16,524 --> 01:02:18,526
32nd control.
Then, Higgs, look.

1197
01:02:18,610 --> 01:02:20,738
USADA walks in.

1198
01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:22,413
Talk about a broken system.

1199
01:02:23,865 --> 01:02:25,367
Stupid.

1200
01:02:26,910 --> 01:02:30,084
How can there not
be any communication?

1201
01:02:30,163 --> 01:02:31,790
It's 2009.

1202
01:02:33,333 --> 01:02:35,552
You guys look like fools.

1203
01:02:35,627 --> 01:02:37,925
When I'm in the bathroom,
going to the bathroom, I look outside,

1204
01:02:38,004 --> 01:02:39,506
another car pulls up.

1205
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:41,933
And it's the American
Anti-Doping Agency.

1206
01:02:42,008 --> 01:02:45,888
So 10 minutes before, the International
Cycling Federation shows up,

1207
01:02:45,971 --> 01:02:49,475
and then the American Olympic
Federation shows up.

1208
01:02:49,557 --> 01:02:52,811
And I've got to
get dressed to ride.

1209
01:02:52,894 --> 01:02:55,864
So I gotta go up and change and
everybody's gonna escort me up there?

1210
01:02:55,939 --> 01:02:57,612
In front of my girlfriend,
who's breastfeeding?

1211
01:02:57,691 --> 01:02:59,284
Is that the way it's gonna work?

1212
01:02:59,359 --> 01:03:01,282
Okay.
No.

1213
01:03:01,361 --> 01:03:03,113
So I gotta walk in
where you can't see me,

1214
01:03:03,238 --> 01:03:04,956
and you say,
"No, that's a violation"?

1215
01:03:05,031 --> 01:03:06,533
That's stupid.

1216
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:09,123
Anyways, off we go.

1217
01:03:09,202 --> 01:03:10,875
Six hours on the bike today.

1218
01:03:12,122 --> 01:03:13,123
See you.

1219
01:03:20,046 --> 01:03:22,265
After his poor
performance in Italy,

1220
01:03:22,382 --> 01:03:24,601
Lance had to find
some way to get better.

1221
01:03:24,676 --> 01:03:26,724
With only a month
before the Tour de France,

1222
01:03:26,803 --> 01:03:31,354
Lance trained in Aspen with his
Astana teammate, Levi Leipheimer.

1223
01:03:33,268 --> 01:03:36,818
For both men, riding in the Rockies
was all about the altitude.

1224
01:03:36,896 --> 01:03:40,776
Training in the thin air causes the
body to produce more red blood cells,

1225
01:03:40,859 --> 01:03:43,988
the exact same effect as EPO.

1226
01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:47,916
I learned that altitude training
also played a role in doping.

1227
01:03:47,991 --> 01:03:49,789
To prepare for competition,

1228
01:03:49,868 --> 01:03:51,495
riders would often
train in the mountains

1229
01:03:51,619 --> 01:03:53,212
to boost their red blood cells,

1230
01:03:53,288 --> 01:03:57,885
take out a bag or two, and then be
ready to transfuse them during a tour.

1231
01:03:57,959 --> 01:04:02,214
At the time, I wondered, "Was that
what Lance was doing in Aspen?"

1232
01:04:04,591 --> 01:04:07,811
I watched Lance and Levi
do a series of 1K tests,

1233
01:04:07,886 --> 01:04:10,264
timed runs up
a one-kilometer hill

1234
01:04:10,388 --> 01:04:12,766
with a blood test at
the top of each climb.

1235
01:04:14,392 --> 01:04:16,144
They measure lactic acid levels,

1236
01:04:16,227 --> 01:04:19,527
which indicate fitness and the
ability of a rider's leg muscles

1237
01:04:19,606 --> 01:04:22,029
to deliver
sustained power over time.

1238
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:27,865
It's a test that was developed and
refined in Italy by Michele Ferrari.

1239
01:04:27,947 --> 01:04:29,415
Okay.

1240
01:04:30,658 --> 01:04:34,253
You still pass on a suggestion
or two from time to time to Lance?

1241
01:04:34,329 --> 01:04:36,673
Yes, not so many as in the past.

1242
01:04:36,748 --> 01:04:39,718
But probably,
he doesn't need so many.

1243
01:04:39,793 --> 01:04:44,344
But sometimes I
give him some inputs.

1244
01:04:45,340 --> 01:04:46,842
May be useful.

1245
01:04:49,010 --> 01:04:50,512
They were useful.

1246
01:04:50,595 --> 01:04:52,393
Lance had told
everyone that he had

1247
01:04:52,472 --> 01:04:55,100
stopped working
with Ferrari in 2004,

1248
01:04:55,183 --> 01:04:57,527
but an investigation
by Italian police

1249
01:04:57,602 --> 01:04:59,650
revealed that
Armstrong kept contact

1250
01:04:59,771 --> 01:05:01,819
with Ferrari
through his son Stefano.

1251
01:05:01,898 --> 01:05:05,823
In e-mails, Papa Ferrari was
known by his nickname, Schumi.

1252
01:05:06,820 --> 01:05:08,493
Bank records and
e-mails confirmed

1253
01:05:08,655 --> 01:05:11,283
Armstrong's payments to Ferrari.

1254
01:05:11,783 --> 01:05:14,582
In 2009, I wasn't honest
about my relationship with him,

1255
01:05:14,661 --> 01:05:19,508
but I didn't know who else to trust
when it came to training and advice.

1256
01:05:20,125 --> 01:05:24,096
And to his credit, he was the first
to say, "You cannot take any risk.

1257
01:05:24,170 --> 01:05:27,299
"They are coming for you.

1258
01:05:27,382 --> 01:05:29,225
"They want you."

1259
01:05:29,843 --> 01:05:33,347
From Italy, Ferrari
monitored Lance's progress.

1260
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:35,524
He compared his performance
from a month earlier

1261
01:05:35,598 --> 01:05:38,226
and concluded that Lance
had improved by 10%

1262
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:41,939
in his power output number,
watts per kilogram.

1263
01:05:42,021 --> 01:05:45,992
The watts-per-kilo
number now is just a hair under 6.5.

1264
01:05:46,067 --> 01:05:48,741
6.5 might be good
enough to win the Tour.

1265
01:05:50,447 --> 01:05:52,120
I've seen higher.
I've been higher.

1266
01:05:52,198 --> 01:05:55,498
The best Lance
with 1K tests was 7.

1267
01:05:55,577 --> 01:05:57,329
More than 7.

1268
01:05:57,412 --> 01:06:01,167
The best Lance was
the year of the last Tour win.

1269
01:06:01,374 --> 01:06:03,001
2005.

1270
01:06:03,084 --> 01:06:05,337
He won the Tour like this.

1271
01:06:06,546 --> 01:06:08,344
It was impressive.

1272
01:06:08,423 --> 01:06:10,676
Lance took it easy, because...

1273
01:06:12,302 --> 01:06:15,897
if you win by too much...

1274
01:06:15,972 --> 01:06:17,895
everybody blah, blah, blah...

1275
01:06:18,099 --> 01:06:20,943
The other seven Tours...

1276
01:06:21,019 --> 01:06:23,613
In late June, you know,
the last test before the Tour

1277
01:06:23,688 --> 01:06:28,990
based on power output, we sat
down and said, "Okay. We win.

1278
01:06:29,068 --> 01:06:32,072
"If we don't fall off the
bike, if you don't get sick,

1279
01:06:32,155 --> 01:06:36,126
"if you don't have any kind of
terrible strategic error,

1280
01:06:36,201 --> 01:06:37,919
"you win easy."

1281
01:06:37,994 --> 01:06:39,120
it was amazing.

1282
01:06:39,204 --> 01:06:41,081
4.5?
At 326.

1283
01:06:41,164 --> 01:06:42,416
At 326?

1284
01:06:42,540 --> 01:06:45,214
326.

1285
01:06:45,293 --> 01:06:47,842
Oh, snap! 4.7.

1286
01:06:49,839 --> 01:06:52,137
He pushed too hard on my finger.

1287
01:06:52,217 --> 01:06:53,639
I'm strong.

1288
01:06:53,718 --> 01:06:55,561
Quite honestly, I think...

1289
01:06:57,263 --> 01:07:01,439
I mean, if you want a prediction,
I think I'll win the Tour.

1290
01:07:02,101 --> 01:07:04,570
How could Lance be so confident?

1291
01:07:04,646 --> 01:07:07,024
He hadn't
performed well all year.

1292
01:07:07,106 --> 01:07:09,484
What did he know that I didn't?

1293
01:07:09,567 --> 01:07:11,035
We are close to the moment

1294
01:07:11,110 --> 01:07:14,114
when big Lance returns
to the sport of cycling.

1295
01:07:14,197 --> 01:07:18,202
And when he left in 2005,
he wouldn't be back, he said.

1296
01:07:18,284 --> 01:07:20,207
There he is. He's back.

1297
01:07:24,707 --> 01:07:26,300
Going good.
Going good. Going good.

1298
01:07:26,376 --> 01:07:27,969
Demand it.
Accelerate your body.

1299
01:07:28,044 --> 01:07:29,796
Come on.
Come on. Come on. Come on.

1300
01:07:30,255 --> 01:07:32,257
In the first stage,
a short time trial,

1301
01:07:32,340 --> 01:07:34,468
Lance wanted to
make a statement.

1302
01:07:34,551 --> 01:07:37,896
In the past, he had always
dominated time trials.

1303
01:07:37,971 --> 01:07:41,646
An impressive performance here
would show everyone he was back.

1304
01:07:46,062 --> 01:07:47,860
He doesn't look good to me.

1305
01:07:50,984 --> 01:07:52,907
Come on, Lance.
Come on, come on. Pick it up.

1306
01:07:52,986 --> 01:07:55,239
Come on, come on.
Go! Go! Go! Go! Go!

1307
01:07:57,824 --> 01:08:00,577
One kilometer.
One kilometer. Hello?

1308
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,288
Yes, I'm in the race now.
I'm in the race.

1309
01:08:03,371 --> 01:08:04,873
I'm in the race. Call me back.

1310
01:08:04,956 --> 01:08:06,082
Look at his face.

1311
01:08:06,165 --> 01:08:08,588
Lance Armstrong, seven times
the winner of Tour de France.

1312
01:08:08,668 --> 01:08:10,386
He's headed for the best time.

1313
01:08:21,055 --> 01:08:24,104
Lance's time put him
in first place by 30 seconds,

1314
01:08:24,183 --> 01:08:26,686
but with all the best
riders still to come.

1315
01:08:30,481 --> 01:08:32,654
Cancellara
pushes on for the finish.

1316
01:08:32,734 --> 01:08:36,079
He's looking to beat the time
of Bradley Wiggins of 19:51.

1317
01:08:36,154 --> 01:08:39,328
He's sprinting for
the line and the best time.

1318
01:08:39,407 --> 01:08:42,160
One by one,
the best riders in the world,

1319
01:08:42,243 --> 01:08:45,213
including his Astana teammate,
Alberto Contador,

1320
01:08:45,288 --> 01:08:46,915
beat his time.

1321
01:08:46,998 --> 01:08:52,471
A great ride by Alberto
Contador, who won the Tour in 2007.

1322
01:08:52,545 --> 01:08:54,172
Contador is second.

1323
01:08:54,255 --> 01:08:55,973
Is he now the leader of Astana?

1324
01:08:56,049 --> 01:08:57,892
He certainly laid claim to that.

1325
01:08:59,552 --> 01:09:01,805
Lance finished
the first stage in 10th place,

1326
01:09:01,888 --> 01:09:03,765
40 seconds behind the leader,

1327
01:09:03,848 --> 01:09:07,273
and 22 seconds behind his
teammate, Alberto Contador.

1328
01:09:13,733 --> 01:09:16,828
From the start, I watched
Lance's comeback hopes collide

1329
01:09:16,903 --> 01:09:18,325
with a ferocious rider

1330
01:09:18,404 --> 01:09:22,204
who bore an eerie resemblance
to Armstrong 10 years earlier.

1331
01:09:22,283 --> 01:09:24,001
These guys never
talked to each other.

1332
01:09:24,077 --> 01:09:25,454
They came out of the bus,

1333
01:09:25,536 --> 01:09:28,506
I never once saw them look at
each other, make eye contact.

1334
01:09:28,581 --> 01:09:30,504
They would walk
right past each other.

1335
01:09:30,583 --> 01:09:32,756
It was the weirdest thing.

1336
01:09:32,835 --> 01:09:35,213
The honest truth is that there's

1337
01:09:35,338 --> 01:09:37,011
a little tension
at the dinner table.

1338
01:09:38,216 --> 01:09:40,218
The truth is...

1339
01:09:40,301 --> 01:09:42,929
I have seen Lance's statements,

1340
01:09:43,096 --> 01:09:45,724
but on my side
there are no tensions.

1341
01:09:45,807 --> 01:09:48,230
I'm completely relaxed...

1342
01:09:48,601 --> 01:09:51,104
He's got the gunslinger hat on.

1343
01:09:52,271 --> 01:09:54,023
Journalists behind...
That would drive me nuts.

1344
01:09:54,107 --> 01:09:56,075
This guy's gonna
fall in the fucking water.

1345
01:09:56,150 --> 01:09:58,949
That would drive me nuts,
people behind me.

1346
01:10:01,739 --> 01:10:04,913
The Tour de France is the
world's most demanding sporting event.

1347
01:10:04,992 --> 01:10:07,871
It covers 2,200
miles over three weeks.

1348
01:10:07,954 --> 01:10:13,711
The 21 daily stages combine flat
roads, brutal climbs and time trials.

1349
01:10:13,793 --> 01:10:15,466
Each day, among the entire group

1350
01:10:15,628 --> 01:10:17,346
of cyclists,
known as the "peloton,"

1351
01:10:17,422 --> 01:10:19,516
the rider with
the fastest overall time

1352
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:21,888
wears the yellow jersey,
or the maillot jaune.

1353
01:10:25,096 --> 01:10:27,770
While each team on
the Tour has nine riders,

1354
01:10:27,849 --> 01:10:29,817
usually just one,
the team leader,

1355
01:10:29,976 --> 01:10:31,899
is riding for the yellow jersey.

1356
01:10:31,978 --> 01:10:34,106
On Astana,
Armstrong and Contador

1357
01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:36,324
are dueling for
the right to lead.

1358
01:10:37,316 --> 01:10:41,662
The other cyclists were known as
"domestiques French for "servants."

1359
01:10:42,572 --> 01:10:44,495
Ludi has no arm warmers.

1360
01:10:46,451 --> 01:10:47,748
This, this. Okay.

1361
01:10:47,827 --> 01:10:50,080
Who else? Anybody else?

1362
01:10:52,165 --> 01:10:56,420
An energy bar for Alberto.

1363
01:10:56,502 --> 01:10:57,674
This?

1364
01:11:35,208 --> 01:11:37,176
Another job
of the domestiques is

1365
01:11:37,293 --> 01:11:39,216
to shelter team
leaders from the wind.

1366
01:11:40,087 --> 01:11:42,385
When riding at high
speeds on flat roads,

1367
01:11:42,507 --> 01:11:44,760
the effects of wind
resistance are huge.

1368
01:11:44,842 --> 01:11:48,517
Riders in front have to work
as much as 30% harder

1369
01:11:48,596 --> 01:11:50,690
than those sheltering behind.

1370
01:11:50,765 --> 01:11:53,314
At high speeds,
you can see the domestiques,

1371
01:11:53,392 --> 01:11:55,065
often from different teams,

1372
01:11:55,144 --> 01:11:57,897
sharing the work of
fighting the wind.

1373
01:12:00,316 --> 01:12:01,818
For Lance's victories,

1374
01:12:01,901 --> 01:12:05,951
there were some where he rode in front
by himself only a matter of minutes,

1375
01:12:06,030 --> 01:12:08,328
like three to five
minutes for the entire Tour,

1376
01:12:08,407 --> 01:12:10,125
because he essentially
is using the muscle

1377
01:12:10,243 --> 01:12:11,995
of his team as
an extension of himself

1378
01:12:12,078 --> 01:12:14,672
to drive forward and to
burn other people off.

1379
01:12:15,289 --> 01:12:17,417
Relying on
a group of domestiques,

1380
01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:19,548
Lance found
a way to use the wind

1381
01:12:19,627 --> 01:12:21,550
when the cyclists
rode near the ocean

1382
01:12:21,629 --> 01:12:24,223
and sea breezes
whipped into the peloton.

1383
01:12:24,882 --> 01:12:30,355
We were coming into that
corner, and I was about 40 guys back.

1384
01:12:30,429 --> 01:12:32,102
And I was kind of like,

1385
01:12:32,807 --> 01:12:34,730
"I better move up."

1386
01:12:35,268 --> 01:12:38,021
The crosswinds
caused a split in the peloton.

1387
01:12:38,104 --> 01:12:41,199
Lance and two of his domestiques
made it to the front group.

1388
01:12:41,274 --> 01:12:43,151
The rest of his
Astana teammates,

1389
01:12:43,234 --> 01:12:45,362
including Contador,
were left behind.

1390
01:12:45,778 --> 01:12:47,246
In this situation,

1391
01:12:47,321 --> 01:12:50,325
Lance reached out to an old
teammate now on a different team,

1392
01:12:50,408 --> 01:12:52,035
George Hincapie.

1393
01:12:52,118 --> 01:12:55,543
I had to call in some
favors, George and those guys.

1394
01:12:55,621 --> 01:13:00,047
I said,
"George, you keep riding.

1395
01:13:00,126 --> 01:13:01,628
"Hard."

1396
01:13:03,629 --> 01:13:05,677
Just like I would
do in the old days

1397
01:13:05,756 --> 01:13:08,054
when he was on the same team.

1398
01:13:08,134 --> 01:13:11,183
I just remember Lance being all fired
up that he was in the first group

1399
01:13:11,262 --> 01:13:13,640
and asking us to go harder,

1400
01:13:13,723 --> 01:13:16,397
and we're like, "Dude, we're
doing our own thing here.

1401
01:13:16,475 --> 01:13:19,570
"Sure, you're here, but we're
not really doing this for you."

1402
01:13:19,645 --> 01:13:21,085
They could be
putting Lance Armstrong

1403
01:13:21,147 --> 01:13:22,444
in yellow in the next 24 hours.

1404
01:13:22,523 --> 01:13:25,743
Little bit further back down the
road, that is Alberto Contador.

1405
01:13:25,818 --> 01:13:27,195
He got caught out,
but he's keeping

1406
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:28,742
at the front end
of the main field.

1407
01:13:28,821 --> 01:13:30,289
But I wonder what he's thinking

1408
01:13:30,364 --> 01:13:32,742
about the presence of Lance
Armstrong in that little group.

1409
01:13:32,825 --> 01:13:35,078
French radio was like,
"This is a betrayal."

1410
01:13:35,161 --> 01:13:36,879
Betrayal?

1411
01:13:36,954 --> 01:13:39,628
It's like,
"Why is he riding out front?

1412
01:13:39,707 --> 01:13:42,551
"Why is he pulling? Why don't
they wait for Alberto?"

1413
01:13:42,627 --> 01:13:44,846
Because I won the fucking
Tour de France seven times.

1414
01:13:44,921 --> 01:13:48,801
That's why we're out there riding.
That's not...

1415
01:13:48,883 --> 01:13:50,601
That's stupid.

1416
01:13:51,177 --> 01:13:53,020
If you can take
advantage of the wind

1417
01:13:53,179 --> 01:13:55,022
or any other
situation like that,

1418
01:13:55,097 --> 01:13:56,599
that's the way you race bikes.

1419
01:13:56,682 --> 01:13:58,229
That's the way
you win bike races.

1420
01:13:58,309 --> 01:14:00,607
We were in the right
place at the right time,

1421
01:14:00,686 --> 01:14:04,190
and I deserved to
have those guys ride.

1422
01:14:04,273 --> 01:14:05,616
That's what I told Johan.

1423
01:14:05,691 --> 01:14:10,413
"You better start getting
used to this again because..."

1424
01:14:12,990 --> 01:14:15,960
The breakaway finished
41 seconds ahead of the peloton,

1425
01:14:16,035 --> 01:14:18,254
enough to move Lance
from 10th to third,

1426
01:14:18,329 --> 01:14:21,299
nineteen seconds
ahead of Contador.

1427
01:14:21,374 --> 01:14:24,799
Suddenly, Lance's comeback
was looking pretty good.

1428
01:14:24,877 --> 01:14:26,379
If everything goes right,

1429
01:14:26,462 --> 01:14:28,556
I mean,
if it goes perfectly for us

1430
01:14:28,673 --> 01:14:30,767
and not that
great for the others,

1431
01:14:31,384 --> 01:14:32,886
we take the yellow jersey.

1432
01:14:32,969 --> 01:14:34,971
It would be...

1433
01:14:35,054 --> 01:14:36,534
You don't wanna
take the yellow jersey

1434
01:14:36,555 --> 01:14:37,898
this early in the Tour, do you?

1435
01:14:38,766 --> 01:14:40,985
Sure. I'd take it.

1436
01:14:41,060 --> 01:14:42,983
Hell, yeah.

1437
01:14:43,062 --> 01:14:45,736
Four years later, why not?

1438
01:14:45,815 --> 01:14:47,533
I'd totally take it.

1439
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:50,987
I'm pedaling tomorrow for that.

1440
01:14:53,531 --> 01:14:57,206
Looking back on that moment
now, I admit that I was caught up.

1441
01:14:57,284 --> 01:15:00,083
I wasn't naive about
past doping allegations,

1442
01:15:00,162 --> 01:15:02,540
but I couldn't help
but root for the old pro,

1443
01:15:02,623 --> 01:15:04,876
and he promised he
was doing it clean.

1444
01:15:14,093 --> 01:15:16,767
But my presence at the Tour
and my access to Lance

1445
01:15:16,846 --> 01:15:19,816
was mystifying to
Lance's longtime critics.

1446
01:15:20,516 --> 01:15:26,023
It was perceived that you were
making the puff piece on Lance.

1447
01:15:26,188 --> 01:15:28,407
I thought it was
odd that you were

1448
01:15:28,524 --> 01:15:30,697
doing a movie
about the comeback,

1449
01:15:30,776 --> 01:15:36,078
because it seemed like it was going
to be an inspirational movie.

1450
01:15:36,282 --> 01:15:40,537
The fear was that you would
buy into the bullshit.

1451
01:15:40,953 --> 01:15:44,207
I was afraid I was starting
to buy into the bullshit, too,

1452
01:15:44,290 --> 01:15:46,167
so I sought out
Jonathan Vaughters.

1453
01:15:46,292 --> 01:15:49,922
He was running Team Garmin, the
so-called anti-doping team.

1454
01:15:50,004 --> 01:15:52,223
But he wouldn't
agree to talk to me.

1455
01:15:52,298 --> 01:15:54,300
Back then,
he had not yet made public

1456
01:15:54,425 --> 01:15:56,348
what he knew
about Lance's doping.

1457
01:15:56,427 --> 01:16:00,307
People have to realize
that the truth in all this was hard.

1458
01:16:00,389 --> 01:16:04,144
Such a huge number of people
wanted to believe so bad

1459
01:16:04,727 --> 01:16:07,731
that they hated
anyone who didn't believe

1460
01:16:07,813 --> 01:16:09,907
and hated anyone
who questioned it.

1461
01:16:10,483 --> 01:16:13,453
As a team manager, imagine what
the reaction would've been

1462
01:16:13,527 --> 01:16:15,575
had I said
something about Lance.

1463
01:16:15,654 --> 01:16:17,452
Lose the team Lose the riders.

1464
01:16:17,531 --> 01:16:19,204
You know, lose the whole thing.

1465
01:16:19,867 --> 01:16:23,542
As it happened, Vaughters
had a dog in the hunt in 2009,

1466
01:16:23,621 --> 01:16:26,215
Bradley Wiggins was
one of the leaders

1467
01:16:26,290 --> 01:16:29,134
and Lance's team
was worried about him.

1468
01:16:29,877 --> 01:16:31,754
We want to get rid of Wiggins.

1469
01:16:31,837 --> 01:16:33,339
You, too?

1470
01:16:36,592 --> 01:16:38,765
I know that ultimately you
want to get rid of us, too,

1471
01:16:38,844 --> 01:16:40,187
but that's another story.

1472
01:16:42,098 --> 01:16:44,772
Everyone at the Tour
was playing angles.

1473
01:16:44,850 --> 01:16:47,979
Greg LeMond, the former Tour
winner and longtime Lance critic,

1474
01:16:48,062 --> 01:16:51,157
paid for a video crew
to tail Lance's comeback.

1475
01:16:51,232 --> 01:16:54,281
Their mission, according to the
cameraman in the straw cowboy hat,

1476
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,863
was to make
the anti-Gibney film.

1477
01:16:57,738 --> 01:16:59,240
I was caught in
the middle of a battle

1478
01:16:59,323 --> 01:17:02,293
between the myth-makers
and the myth-busters.

1479
01:17:02,368 --> 01:17:05,747
One of the strangest subplots
was Lance's interview strategy.

1480
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:09,460
He insisted that the only American
to be able to interview him

1481
01:17:09,542 --> 01:17:11,010
would be Frankie Andrea,

1482
01:17:11,085 --> 01:17:13,964
an ex-teammate he had
feuded with for years.

1483
01:17:14,046 --> 01:17:15,639
Lance has multiple motivations.

1484
01:17:15,714 --> 01:17:17,842
One of them was
sort of to show Frankie

1485
01:17:17,925 --> 01:17:20,804
that he could still make
Frankie do whatever he wanted.

1486
01:17:20,886 --> 01:17:22,388
One of them was to
show everyone that,

1487
01:17:22,513 --> 01:17:24,015
"Hey, I can accept Frankie back.

1488
01:17:24,098 --> 01:17:26,567
"I'm not the jerk."

1489
01:17:26,642 --> 01:17:28,565
Another one was to control
who had access to him.

1490
01:17:28,644 --> 01:17:30,146
So all that was going on.

1491
01:17:30,980 --> 01:17:34,154
Months before, I was with
Lance when he hatched his plan

1492
01:17:34,233 --> 01:17:38,579
to make Frankie wait outside the
bus every day to interview him.

1493
01:17:39,780 --> 01:17:43,705
Johan begged him not to do it, but
Lance couldn't contain himself.

1494
01:17:43,784 --> 01:17:46,207
When I asked him later
about the Frankie plot,

1495
01:17:46,287 --> 01:17:47,789
Lance was back on message.

1496
01:17:47,872 --> 01:17:49,749
But there wasn't anything
mischievous about it like,

1497
01:17:49,832 --> 01:17:52,551
"Frankie's gonna have to come
to me now after those days."

1498
01:17:52,626 --> 01:17:53,969
Absolutely not.

1499
01:17:54,044 --> 01:17:56,012
No, this is totally different.

1500
01:17:57,089 --> 01:18:00,013
The kids had been
watching the Tour on TV,

1501
01:18:00,092 --> 01:18:02,845
and they said, "Mom,
Dad's interviewing Lance."

1502
01:18:02,928 --> 01:18:05,056
Frankie called me right after

1503
01:18:05,139 --> 01:18:08,109
and he said, "Lance wanted me,
and only me, to interview him."

1504
01:18:08,184 --> 01:18:10,937
I said, "Frankie,
you should spit on that guy.

1505
01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:14,149
"After everything he's done to
you, done to me, done to us?"

1506
01:18:14,273 --> 01:18:15,650
All right, thank you.
Yeah.

1507
01:18:15,733 --> 01:18:17,406
And to say the
least, I was shocked

1508
01:18:17,484 --> 01:18:19,407
because for four or
five years before that,

1509
01:18:19,737 --> 01:18:21,660
we just walked
right past each other.

1510
01:18:21,739 --> 01:18:24,242
No eye contact with me.
Wouldn't say a word to me.

1511
01:18:25,951 --> 01:18:29,751
Lance, Frankie and his wife
Betsy had once been good friends.

1512
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:32,583
Frankie had been on
three US Postal teams,

1513
01:18:32,666 --> 01:18:36,887
but in 2000, Lance's second Tour
win, Frankie wouldn't dope.

1514
01:18:36,962 --> 01:18:39,806
He asked for a raise,
but the team director, Johan,

1515
01:18:39,882 --> 01:18:42,556
told him he'd have to
take a steep pay cut.

1516
01:18:42,635 --> 01:18:45,138
When Frankie
was looking at other teams,

1517
01:18:45,221 --> 01:18:46,723
he had two other offers.

1518
01:18:46,805 --> 01:18:48,398
He was on the phone with Johan

1519
01:18:48,474 --> 01:18:51,227
who asked him, "Which teams
are you looking at?"

1520
01:18:51,310 --> 01:18:53,813
And Frankie told
him the two teams.

1521
01:18:55,022 --> 01:18:56,945
Offers rescinded.

1522
01:18:58,525 --> 01:19:00,573
In late 2005, Frankie and Betsy

1523
01:19:00,653 --> 01:19:04,954
were served with subpoenas to testify
in a lawsuit involving Lance.

1524
01:19:05,616 --> 01:19:09,541
At issue was doping and a conversation
between Lance and his doctor

1525
01:19:09,620 --> 01:19:11,372
while he was being
treated for cancer.

1526
01:19:11,455 --> 01:19:12,502
Yeah.

1527
01:19:12,706 --> 01:19:14,754
Let's talk about
the Indiana hospital room.

1528
01:19:14,833 --> 01:19:17,552
Tell us what was said
during this conversation.

1529
01:19:20,547 --> 01:19:22,265
A group of us
were inside of a room

1530
01:19:22,341 --> 01:19:26,517
where Lance had mentioned that
he had taken certain drugs

1531
01:19:26,595 --> 01:19:28,142
when a doctor
asked him about it.

1532
01:19:28,222 --> 01:19:29,348
The doctor came in.

1533
01:19:29,431 --> 01:19:32,401
I said to Lance, "I think we should
leave to give you your privacy."

1534
01:19:32,476 --> 01:19:34,399
And Lance said, "No, that's okay.
You can stay."

1535
01:19:34,478 --> 01:19:37,277
Were you present when that
conversation or statement took place?

1536
01:19:37,356 --> 01:19:38,448
Yes.

1537
01:19:38,524 --> 01:19:40,993
The doctor asked him
a couple of questions.

1538
01:19:41,068 --> 01:19:42,786
And then came the question,

1539
01:19:42,861 --> 01:19:47,708
"Have you ever taken any
performance-enhancing drugs?"

1540
01:19:47,783 --> 01:19:49,456
Lance's response was
that he had taken...

1541
01:19:49,535 --> 01:19:51,629
EPO, growth hormone...

1542
01:19:51,704 --> 01:19:52,876
Cortisone...

1543
01:19:52,955 --> 01:19:54,878
Steroids and testosterone.

1544
01:19:56,208 --> 01:20:00,634
Do you deny the statements
that Ms. Andreu attributed to you

1545
01:20:00,713 --> 01:20:02,886
in the Indiana
University Hospital?

1546
01:20:02,965 --> 01:20:04,888
100%. Absolutely.

1547
01:20:04,967 --> 01:20:06,640
Do you also deny
what Mr. Andreu

1548
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,433
said regarding those statements?

1549
01:20:08,512 --> 01:20:09,512
100%.

1550
01:20:09,555 --> 01:20:11,649
How could it have taken place

1551
01:20:11,724 --> 01:20:14,068
when I've never taken
performance-enhancing drugs?

1552
01:20:14,143 --> 01:20:15,645
Look, how could
that have happened?

1553
01:20:15,728 --> 01:20:17,776
That was my point. It's not
just simply you don't recall?

1554
01:20:17,855 --> 01:20:19,323
How many times do
I have to say it?

1555
01:20:19,398 --> 01:20:22,197
If you have a doping offense
or you test positive,

1556
01:20:22,276 --> 01:20:25,496
it goes without saying that you're
fired from all of your contracts.

1557
01:20:25,571 --> 01:20:30,998
Not just the team, but there's
numerous contracts that I have

1558
01:20:31,076 --> 01:20:32,544
that would all go away.

1559
01:20:32,619 --> 01:20:33,836
Sponsorship agreements,
for example.

1560
01:20:33,954 --> 01:20:35,171
All of them.

1561
01:20:35,247 --> 01:20:40,925
And the faith of all the cancer
survivors around the world.

1562
01:20:41,003 --> 01:20:43,973
So everything I do off of the
bike would go away, too.

1563
01:20:46,008 --> 01:20:48,932
And don't think for a second
I don't understand that.

1564
01:20:50,929 --> 01:20:52,556
Yeah, that was...

1565
01:20:52,681 --> 01:20:53,682
Um...

1566
01:20:55,225 --> 01:20:58,229
Honestly,
it's embarrassing to hear.

1567
01:20:59,563 --> 01:21:00,906
It's humiliating.

1568
01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:03,784
That was going too far.

1569
01:21:03,859 --> 01:21:05,361
I know that now.

1570
01:21:07,237 --> 01:21:08,910
I didn't at the time.

1571
01:21:09,114 --> 01:21:10,866
Were you surprised
when Mr. Armstrong said

1572
01:21:10,949 --> 01:21:13,202
he had taken those various
performance-enhancing drugs?

1573
01:21:13,285 --> 01:21:14,582
Yeah, I was surprised.

1574
01:21:14,661 --> 01:21:17,289
From that point on,
trying to do announcing gigs

1575
01:21:17,373 --> 01:21:19,501
or commentary or work,
I was too controversial.

1576
01:21:19,583 --> 01:21:21,085
And I was told that a lot.

1577
01:21:21,168 --> 01:21:22,795
I was shunned,
banned, from everybody,

1578
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,970
and a lot of people wouldn't
look at me, shake my hand.

1579
01:21:27,049 --> 01:21:28,221
I was the outsider.

1580
01:21:28,300 --> 01:21:30,018
Lance wanted to
humiliate Frankie,

1581
01:21:30,135 --> 01:21:31,887
and he wanted to get back at me.

1582
01:21:31,970 --> 01:21:33,392
She swore to this, and Frankie,

1583
01:21:33,472 --> 01:21:36,021
your former teammate and former
friend also swore to this.

1584
01:21:36,100 --> 01:21:39,024
They had to be compelled to testify.
They did not want to testify.

1585
01:21:39,103 --> 01:21:40,320
Why would they say this?

1586
01:21:40,396 --> 01:21:43,445
You know, I was present
for Betsy's deposition

1587
01:21:43,524 --> 01:21:45,743
and we asked her that question.

1588
01:21:45,818 --> 01:21:47,912
We said something
to the effect of,

1589
01:21:47,986 --> 01:21:50,705
"What do you think
of Lance Armstrong?"

1590
01:21:50,781 --> 01:21:52,579
And, Bob, I've never been
in a room where somebody

1591
01:21:52,658 --> 01:21:54,501
looks straight across the table
at you right in the eye,

1592
01:21:54,576 --> 01:21:56,044
and she goes, "I hate him."

1593
01:21:56,161 --> 01:21:57,641
There's some
allegations being made by

1594
01:21:57,663 --> 01:21:59,506
the wife of a former
teammate of yours,

1595
01:21:59,915 --> 01:22:04,011
again accusing you of using
performance-enhancing drugs.

1596
01:22:04,169 --> 01:22:05,261
The things they
don't report is what

1597
01:22:05,379 --> 01:22:06,471
happened under
cross-examination

1598
01:22:06,547 --> 01:22:08,675
when the person who
made the accusation

1599
01:22:08,757 --> 01:22:10,397
couldn't remember
anything about the room.

1600
01:22:10,467 --> 01:22:12,936
Couldn't remember if the
doctor was a man or a woman.

1601
01:22:13,011 --> 01:22:14,684
Couldn't remember if they
had a lab coat on or not.

1602
01:22:14,763 --> 01:22:17,061
Couldn't remember if they had a
clipboard. Couldn't remember anything.

1603
01:22:17,141 --> 01:22:19,940
No facts, no figures, no evidence.
Just a mouth.

1604
01:22:20,018 --> 01:22:21,770
Aren't you sick of it?

1605
01:22:21,854 --> 01:22:23,777
Beyond the media,
Lance had many supporters

1606
01:22:23,856 --> 01:22:25,233
who helped him sustain the myth.

1607
01:22:25,774 --> 01:22:27,868
One of those was
Stephanie McIlvain.

1608
01:22:28,694 --> 01:22:31,743
She worked for Oakley,
one of Armstrong's sponsors.

1609
01:22:31,822 --> 01:22:34,792
She had also been
in the hospital room.

1610
01:22:34,867 --> 01:22:36,995
According to Betsy,
in their conversations,

1611
01:22:37,119 --> 01:22:39,213
Stephanie
confirmed Betsy's story.

1612
01:22:39,746 --> 01:22:42,875
But in Stephanie's deposition,
she took Lance's side.

1613
01:22:42,958 --> 01:22:44,460
Were you ever in a hospital room

1614
01:22:44,543 --> 01:22:46,841
or other part of the hospital
with Mr. Armstrong,

1615
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,049
where he said anything about
performance-enhancing drugs?

1616
01:22:50,132 --> 01:22:51,384
No.

1617
01:22:51,467 --> 01:22:53,561
After the deposition,
she left a message

1618
01:22:53,635 --> 01:22:55,137
on Betsy's answering machine.

1619
01:22:56,388 --> 01:22:58,982
I HOPE SOMEBODY BREAKS
A BASEBALL BAT OVER YOUR HEAD

1620
01:22:59,057 --> 01:23:03,858
BUT I ALSO HOPE THAT ONE DAY YOU
HAVE ADVERSITY IN YOUR LIFE

1621
01:23:03,937 --> 01:23:08,864
AND YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF TRAGEDY
THAT WILL HIT YOUR FAMILY

1622
01:23:08,942 --> 01:23:12,321
AND MAKE YOU REALIZE
WHAT LIFE IS ABOUT

1623
01:23:12,404 --> 01:23:16,830
OTHER THAN GOING AFTER PEOPLE
THAT YOU ACTUALLY HATE.

1624
01:23:16,909 --> 01:23:19,708
IT'S PATHETIC BETSY.

1625
01:23:19,828 --> 01:23:22,627
I THOUGHT YOU WERE
A BETTER PERSON THAN THAT.

1626
01:23:22,706 --> 01:23:25,505
I AM SO SADDENED
THAT YOU'RE NOT.

1627
01:23:25,584 --> 01:23:27,211
YOU ARE SUCH A SHALLOW

1628
01:23:27,294 --> 01:23:28,671
BITCH!

1629
01:23:28,921 --> 01:23:33,347
It didn't matter if the
world thought I was a liar,

1630
01:23:33,425 --> 01:23:36,975
as long as the people close to
me knew I was telling the truth.

1631
01:23:37,054 --> 01:23:42,527
However, when it affected Frankie's
ability to work in the sport,

1632
01:23:42,601 --> 01:23:44,774
that's when I put my
foot down and I said,

1633
01:23:44,978 --> 01:23:47,948
"I'm going to be obsessed with
getting the truth out there."

1634
01:23:48,023 --> 01:23:51,778
This is the first time
Andreu has spoken about it on television.

1635
01:23:51,944 --> 01:23:55,039
He replied, "Growth hormone,

1636
01:23:55,113 --> 01:24:00,540
"steroids, testosterone,
EPO, cortisone."

1637
01:24:00,619 --> 01:24:02,496
From the moment
Betsy started speaking out,

1638
01:24:02,579 --> 01:24:06,880
Frankie was confronted by an
old teammate, George Hincapie.

1639
01:24:07,459 --> 01:24:09,132
Frankie was my mentor,

1640
01:24:09,211 --> 01:24:13,387
and the first time I ever saw dope
was in Frankie's refrigerator.

1641
01:24:13,465 --> 01:24:15,706
And that's when I realized,
"Well, fuck, I have to dope."

1642
01:24:16,426 --> 01:24:17,747
So for me,
that really bothered me

1643
01:24:17,844 --> 01:24:19,124
that all of a sudden he changed,

1644
01:24:19,179 --> 01:24:21,477
and he wasn't racing anymore and
said, "Well, Lance is doping."

1645
01:24:21,557 --> 01:24:24,106
Well, I mean,
you taught me how to dope.

1646
01:24:24,184 --> 01:24:27,609
How could you stand by when you
know that you did what you did?

1647
01:24:28,605 --> 01:24:29,731
Lance never sat there and said,

1648
01:24:29,815 --> 01:24:31,738
"You're gonna dope or you're
out or I'm firing you."

1649
01:24:31,817 --> 01:24:34,741
That's just not true, and they made
it seem like that was the case.

1650
01:24:34,820 --> 01:24:37,289
You're either on his side,
or you're off his side.

1651
01:24:37,364 --> 01:24:38,764
If you crossed him,
you were doomed.

1652
01:24:38,824 --> 01:24:42,749
You were thrown out
very quickly, cast aside,

1653
01:24:42,828 --> 01:24:44,296
and then you could
sit there waiting

1654
01:24:44,413 --> 01:24:45,915
for the revenge to
be sent upon you.

1655
01:24:45,998 --> 01:24:51,095
That desire to bully.
That desire to crush people.

1656
01:24:51,169 --> 01:24:53,342
He tried to wreck their lives.

1657
01:24:53,463 --> 01:24:56,012
Armstrong used his fame
to undermine the credibility

1658
01:24:56,174 --> 01:24:58,677
of his critics like Greg LeMond.

1659
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:03,436
Greg, who I know has serious
drinking and drug problems,

1660
01:25:03,515 --> 01:25:06,064
was clearly intoxicated.

1661
01:25:06,226 --> 01:25:07,273
Hey, Emma!

1662
01:25:07,352 --> 01:25:10,481
Emma O'Reilly, part of
Postal's team support staff,

1663
01:25:10,564 --> 01:25:12,987
had helped Lance
hide his doping.

1664
01:25:13,066 --> 01:25:15,910
After she left the team,
she told a reporter about it.

1665
01:25:15,986 --> 01:25:17,203
Emma.

1666
01:25:17,696 --> 01:25:20,916
Afraid that we were
gonna out her as a,

1667
01:25:20,991 --> 01:25:22,391
you know,
all these things she said,

1668
01:25:22,534 --> 01:25:23,974
as a whore or whatever.
I don't know.

1669
01:25:24,536 --> 01:25:27,255
Lance's lawyers pressured
Emma to change her tune,

1670
01:25:27,331 --> 01:25:30,631
but she was determined to tell the
truth and refused to back down.

1671
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:34,304
Lance's counsel sued for libel
in Britain and France.

1672
01:25:34,379 --> 01:25:38,475
One of his many modus
operandi was "just sue."

1673
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:41,599
The financial drain, the emotional
drain, the mental drain...

1674
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,348
It's a pretty effective legal
strategy when you think about it.

1675
01:25:44,431 --> 01:25:46,149
It's like,
"I've got deeper pockets,

1676
01:25:46,224 --> 01:25:48,397
"and I can fight this war of
attrition and you can't."

1677
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,655
It just built one upon another,

1678
01:25:51,730 --> 01:25:54,358
and the denials
became more defiant,

1679
01:25:54,483 --> 01:25:57,157
and the arguments
became more heated.

1680
01:25:57,944 --> 01:25:59,787
I should have just backed away.

1681
01:26:01,073 --> 01:26:05,954
In 2004, Armstrong launched
lawsuits over L.A. Confidentiel,

1682
01:26:06,036 --> 01:26:08,960
the first book to air
doping charges against him.

1683
01:26:09,039 --> 01:26:11,337
He stopped its
publication in America,

1684
01:26:11,416 --> 01:26:15,466
forced an apology and won a
judgment worth $1.5 million

1685
01:26:15,545 --> 01:26:18,890
that tarnished the reputation
of the co-author, David Walsh.

1686
01:26:19,216 --> 01:26:22,470
How can this guy dope
so much and not get caught?

1687
01:26:22,761 --> 01:26:25,105
That tells us about
how cycling was run.

1688
01:26:25,180 --> 01:26:28,901
It tells us about
the attitudes of the UCI,

1689
01:26:28,975 --> 01:26:31,023
which is the world
governing body for cycling.

1690
01:26:31,269 --> 01:26:36,116
Its president for most of the Lance
Armstrong years was Hein Verbruggen.

1691
01:26:36,441 --> 01:26:40,162
Hein Verbruggen and Lance Armstrong
have always been friends.

1692
01:26:41,071 --> 01:26:43,665
The UCI denies that
they ever covered up

1693
01:26:43,740 --> 01:26:45,868
a drug test for Lance Armstrong,

1694
01:26:45,951 --> 01:26:47,203
but they do say

1695
01:26:47,285 --> 01:26:52,462
that when Lance and other top riders
tested with suspicious levels,

1696
01:26:52,624 --> 01:26:56,003
they would go and talk to those
riders and they would say,

1697
01:26:56,086 --> 01:26:58,509
"Listen, you're flying
a little too close to the sun.

1698
01:26:58,588 --> 01:27:00,056
"We're going to be watching you.

1699
01:27:00,173 --> 01:27:01,641
"You better stop
what you're doing."

1700
01:27:02,509 --> 01:27:04,932
There were dozens, if not
hundreds, of those conversations

1701
01:27:05,011 --> 01:27:08,140
going, "Hey, this is close."

1702
01:27:12,102 --> 01:27:14,525
But the truth is that
everybody was making money.

1703
01:27:14,604 --> 01:27:15,856
Everybody.

1704
01:27:16,189 --> 01:27:18,817
And I mean everybody.

1705
01:27:19,943 --> 01:27:23,698
Trek Bicycles, in 1998,
does $100 million in revenue.

1706
01:27:23,780 --> 01:27:25,282
Now they're pushing a billion.

1707
01:27:25,741 --> 01:27:28,915
We all made money. Some made
a lot more than others.

1708
01:27:29,953 --> 01:27:32,172
Some of
Verbruggen's money was managed

1709
01:27:32,330 --> 01:27:34,583
in an appearance of
conflict of interest

1710
01:27:34,833 --> 01:27:37,006
by an investment
firm owned by the man

1711
01:27:37,127 --> 01:27:39,221
who bank-rolled
Armstrong's team.

1712
01:27:40,046 --> 01:27:43,425
As head of the UCI, Verbruggen
knew how much money and popularity

1713
01:27:43,508 --> 01:27:45,260
Lance had brought to the sport.

1714
01:27:45,844 --> 01:27:49,269
So when L'Equipe published
evidence of doping by Armstrong,

1715
01:27:49,347 --> 01:27:51,349
cycling had a problem.

1716
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:55,275
It was in his interest for the
sport to continue to grow

1717
01:27:55,353 --> 01:27:57,481
and grow controversy-free.

1718
01:27:57,898 --> 01:27:59,445
A thing we weren't very good at.

1719
01:28:00,525 --> 01:28:04,996
I mean, it was controversies every year.
Every year. Big ones.

1720
01:28:06,364 --> 01:28:08,708
Verbruggen asked an
acquaintance, Emile Vrijman,

1721
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:11,703
to conduct an investigation
into the newspaper allegations.

1722
01:28:13,246 --> 01:28:15,044
In the conversations
with Hein Verbruggen,

1723
01:28:15,165 --> 01:28:16,917
clearly was
the focus point on saying

1724
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,640
find out what kind of
research did they do

1725
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,890
is this a positive test
according to our definitions

1726
01:28:22,964 --> 01:28:25,638
and if yes, should we
do something about it.

1727
01:28:26,593 --> 01:28:30,393
Oddly, the Vrijman Report didn't
focus on whether Lance had doped.

1728
01:28:30,472 --> 01:28:33,726
Instead, it looked at technical
details, lab protocols,

1729
01:28:33,892 --> 01:28:36,395
and attacked
the World Anti-Doping Agency.

1730
01:28:36,561 --> 01:28:40,031
Without examining samples for
drug use, the report concluded

1731
01:28:40,106 --> 01:28:42,825
that Lance was
completely exonerated.

1732
01:28:42,901 --> 01:28:45,199
The 130-page
Vrijman Report that came out,

1733
01:28:45,278 --> 01:28:46,639
he was
the independent investigator

1734
01:28:46,738 --> 01:28:49,161
hired by our
international federation,

1735
01:28:49,366 --> 01:28:51,243
it outlined,
very clearly, what happened.

1736
01:28:52,702 --> 01:28:56,127
What Lance didn't say then,
but what he told me years later,

1737
01:28:56,206 --> 01:28:58,880
was that he and his team
had input on the report

1738
01:28:58,959 --> 01:29:01,178
and were delighted
with the result.

1739
01:29:01,253 --> 01:29:04,757
Based on further talks with
Lance, I had more questions.

1740
01:29:05,549 --> 01:29:07,927
Did you or your
law firm receive any payments

1741
01:29:08,009 --> 01:29:10,182
from Lance Armstrong
or his representatives?

1742
01:29:10,428 --> 01:29:13,477
Not at all.
As far as I know, not at all.

1743
01:29:13,598 --> 01:29:16,477
Vrijman's denial
led me to an odd coincidence.

1744
01:29:17,352 --> 01:29:20,401
In 2007,
the UCI paid the final bill

1745
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:23,450
for the report,
approximately $100,000.

1746
01:29:23,942 --> 01:29:27,287
Earlier that year, Lance had
made a donation to the UCI.

1747
01:29:27,445 --> 01:29:30,244
The amount? $100,000.

1748
01:29:30,323 --> 01:29:32,451
The reason, says the UCI,

1749
01:29:32,659 --> 01:29:36,789
to pay for a blood-testing
machine purchased in 2005.

1750
01:29:39,291 --> 01:29:41,885
Listen, nobody believes in
doping controls more than me.

1751
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:44,054
I've submitted to all of them,

1752
01:29:44,129 --> 01:29:46,427
whether in competition
or out of competition.

1753
01:29:53,597 --> 01:29:56,316
On the road, Lance
was able to protect his lie

1754
01:29:56,433 --> 01:29:59,107
by enforcing
the power of omerté,

1755
01:29:59,185 --> 01:30:02,234
a code of silence
among riders about doping.

1756
01:30:03,815 --> 01:30:06,489
During the 2004 Tour

1757
01:30:06,568 --> 01:30:08,991
Lance Armstrong very publicly
humiliated me.

1758
01:30:09,195 --> 01:30:12,449
What happened was that
Filippo Simeoni tried to attack

1759
01:30:12,532 --> 01:30:16,082
to join the six-man breakaway that had
built up a bit of a lead on the peloton.

1760
01:30:16,161 --> 01:30:18,129
The trouble is that Lance
doesn't like Simeoni,

1761
01:30:18,204 --> 01:30:20,332
who is actually
suing him for slander in Italy

1762
01:30:20,498 --> 01:30:22,592
after Armstrong
called him a liar.

1763
01:30:23,168 --> 01:30:25,341
Was that all about Ferrari?

1764
01:30:25,587 --> 01:30:28,181
Simeoni had testified
at a trial against Ferrari,

1765
01:30:28,465 --> 01:30:30,433
and Lance was working
with Michele Ferrari

1766
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:32,473
and considered
Ferrari a good friend.

1767
01:30:32,552 --> 01:30:35,146
So, in the race,
Simeoni attacked,

1768
01:30:35,263 --> 01:30:37,857
and Lance,
who had the yellow jersey on,

1769
01:30:37,974 --> 01:30:40,272
followed the move,
which is unheard of,

1770
01:30:40,352 --> 01:30:42,952
'cause normally you just let your
team do all the chasing for you.

1771
01:30:43,063 --> 01:30:46,317
But he went up to Simeoni, and
Simeoni was trying to win the stage,

1772
01:30:46,399 --> 01:30:48,993
and, pretty much,
Lance said, "No way."

1773
01:30:49,069 --> 01:30:50,787
It was kind of
wrong of him to do that,

1774
01:30:50,904 --> 01:30:52,656
but the peloton
was happy about it

1775
01:30:52,781 --> 01:30:56,126
because they didn't appreciate what
Simeoni was doing at that point.

1776
01:30:56,201 --> 01:30:57,748
You mean sort of
outing the secret?

1777
01:30:57,827 --> 01:30:58,953
Yeah, outing the secret.

1778
01:30:59,037 --> 01:31:00,757
They were all probably
doing the same thing.

1779
01:31:01,081 --> 01:31:03,675
The result was that
Simeoni returned to the field

1780
01:31:03,917 --> 01:31:05,669
having apparently
been told by Lance

1781
01:31:05,794 --> 01:31:07,546
to sit at the back and shut up.

1782
01:31:07,629 --> 01:31:10,678
That's the kind of authority
the patron of the peloton has,

1783
01:31:10,757 --> 01:31:12,725
and Lance is not
afraid to wield it.

1784
01:31:13,093 --> 01:31:15,016
Lance,
can I ask just what went on

1785
01:31:15,136 --> 01:31:17,013
between you and
Simeoni today in the race?

1786
01:31:17,931 --> 01:31:19,604
I was just following the wheels.

1787
01:31:21,226 --> 01:31:23,274
He can be
revengeful and vindictive,

1788
01:31:23,353 --> 01:31:25,776
but then at the same time, very,
very loyal and supportive,

1789
01:31:25,855 --> 01:31:27,277
and I've been on both sides.

1790
01:31:27,774 --> 01:31:29,902
What do you expect at the
finish for yourself?

1791
01:31:32,028 --> 01:31:34,076
Honestly, I don't know.

1792
01:31:35,156 --> 01:31:39,627
If Cancellara's dropped, and the
climb isn't as hard as we all think

1793
01:31:39,703 --> 01:31:43,674
and I stay with the leaders,
then I can take the jersey.

1794
01:31:44,708 --> 01:31:46,631
And what would that mean to you?

1795
01:31:46,751 --> 01:31:48,719
It'd be great.
It'd be a trip.

1796
01:33:08,166 --> 01:33:11,170
After the first week,
the Tour moved to the Pyrenees.

1797
01:33:11,669 --> 01:33:14,013
Mountain stages are where the
best riders make their moves

1798
01:33:14,214 --> 01:33:16,512
and where Lance had
dominated in the past.

1799
01:33:17,509 --> 01:33:21,810
But unlike previous Tours, Lance
didn't look like he was in control.

1800
01:33:22,013 --> 01:33:24,482
He sure rode like he was clean.

1801
01:33:24,682 --> 01:33:26,980
He was struggling physically.

1802
01:33:27,352 --> 01:33:30,401
He looked beaten for
a lot of those stages.

1803
01:33:32,941 --> 01:33:34,943
He was not
anywhere close to as fast

1804
01:33:35,026 --> 01:33:37,575
as where he was in 2001 or '99,

1805
01:33:37,654 --> 01:33:39,531
but he was also
almost 40 years old.

1806
01:33:39,614 --> 01:33:43,790
Is it conceivable to think
that he was racing clean in 2009?

1807
01:33:43,868 --> 01:33:47,418
It's possible. You know, he
knows the answer to that.

1808
01:33:47,789 --> 01:33:51,339
Not that the sport was harder,
but I found it harder.

1809
01:33:51,417 --> 01:33:55,763
And I don't know
if it was being older,

1810
01:33:55,839 --> 01:33:58,467
or if it was being clean,
or if it was...

1811
01:33:59,592 --> 01:34:03,142
I want to believe that the
rest of the group was clean in '09.

1812
01:34:03,221 --> 01:34:04,689
I can't speak for them,

1813
01:34:04,764 --> 01:34:08,564
but I like to believe that
we all were basically clean.

1814
01:34:24,242 --> 01:34:26,165
Gibney, we gotta win
this fucking Tour de France.

1815
01:34:26,244 --> 01:34:28,918
Yeah, I'm counting
on you for the movie.

1816
01:34:29,038 --> 01:34:30,335
This is all about me.

1817
01:34:30,415 --> 01:34:33,089
Trust me, this will not
be the same if I don't.

1818
01:34:36,129 --> 01:34:38,348
Gonna be hard.
Harder than I thought.

1819
01:34:38,464 --> 01:34:40,683
Harder than I
thought a week ago.

1820
01:34:48,224 --> 01:34:50,602
Lance had lost ground, but
he was still close to the lead

1821
01:34:50,685 --> 01:34:53,564
and only two seconds
behind his rival, Contador,

1822
01:34:53,646 --> 01:34:55,319
going into the biggest climb
of the Tour.

1823
01:34:56,482 --> 01:34:59,076
I figured that if Lance was gonna
manage his mythic comeback,

1824
01:34:59,152 --> 01:35:01,246
he would have to
beat Contador here.

1825
01:35:01,321 --> 01:35:03,289
But would that be
enough to put an end

1826
01:35:03,364 --> 01:35:05,583
to all the questions
about the past?

1827
01:35:08,244 --> 01:35:10,622
Today is a very important day.

1828
01:35:11,039 --> 01:35:12,962
We have two weeks
of racing behind us.

1829
01:35:13,082 --> 01:35:14,959
We have one very
hard week ahead of us.

1830
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:19,009
And today could be a day
where a lot of things change.

1831
01:35:22,175 --> 01:35:27,773
You know, everybody's always talking
about Alberto, Lance, Lance, Alberto.

1832
01:35:28,139 --> 01:35:30,312
We are here to win
the Tour de France.

1833
01:35:30,558 --> 01:35:32,936
Of course, both of
them are feeling good,

1834
01:35:33,061 --> 01:35:35,439
and both of them
want to try to win.

1835
01:35:37,106 --> 01:35:40,485
The start of that day,
I'd been hanging out at the bus

1836
01:35:40,568 --> 01:35:42,491
and Lance came out of the bus.

1837
01:35:42,654 --> 01:35:44,656
And I said, "Pretty big day."

1838
01:35:44,739 --> 01:35:47,099
And he said, "Yeah, this one's
for all the fucking marbles."

1839
01:35:57,752 --> 01:36:01,848
Just before the steepest
climb, Contador looked back at Lance.

1840
01:36:01,923 --> 01:36:05,848
Was that teamwork?
Or a last "fuck you"?

1841
01:36:33,997 --> 01:36:36,170
But who's
gonna stop Contador now?

1842
01:36:36,249 --> 01:36:39,469
Well, I don't think anybody can stop
him, because the gap is opening.

1843
01:36:39,544 --> 01:36:43,094
Twenty-three seconds to Schleck,
42 seconds to Armstrong,

1844
01:36:43,172 --> 01:36:46,267
a minute,
22 to the yellow jersey.

1845
01:37:30,678 --> 01:37:33,272
Alberto Contador
now is establishing himself

1846
01:37:33,389 --> 01:37:35,892
as the leader of
the Astana team.

1847
01:37:35,975 --> 01:37:37,852
And, boy, when you see him
climb like this,

1848
01:37:37,935 --> 01:37:39,778
who else could there be?

1849
01:37:43,191 --> 01:37:46,445
There's the pistol shot. Alberto
Contador's over the line.

1850
01:37:46,527 --> 01:37:49,406
He's the next maillot jaune
of the Tour de France.

1851
01:37:49,489 --> 01:37:51,082
Very fast at the
bottom of the climb.

1852
01:37:51,199 --> 01:37:52,746
Contador went once
and you went after him.

1853
01:37:52,825 --> 01:37:55,145
And the second time he went,
what were your thoughts there?

1854
01:37:55,370 --> 01:37:58,169
He showed he's the best rider
in the race, certainly the best climber.

1855
01:37:58,247 --> 01:38:01,217
When everybody's on the limit and
then you can accelerate again,

1856
01:38:01,292 --> 01:38:02,464
I've been there, and it's...

1857
01:38:03,044 --> 01:38:05,593
Do you think your chances for
winning the Tour now are over?

1858
01:38:06,172 --> 01:38:07,173
Um...

1859
01:38:07,632 --> 01:38:10,010
Yeah. It'll be hard.

1860
01:38:10,093 --> 01:38:12,391
You know, a day like this
really shows who's the best,

1861
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:17,897
and I wasn't on par with what's
required to win the Tour, so,

1862
01:38:17,975 --> 01:38:20,398
I mean, for me,
that's the reality.

1863
01:38:20,478 --> 01:38:24,233
That's not
devastating news or anything.

1864
01:38:25,525 --> 01:38:27,198
But are you disappointed with...

1865
01:38:27,276 --> 01:38:29,779
The Lance Armstrong
I know always is a fighter,

1866
01:38:29,904 --> 01:38:32,157
always is one that
is in attack mode.

1867
01:38:32,490 --> 01:38:35,585
And when I asked him that
question, he was different.

1868
01:38:36,244 --> 01:38:38,087
I think there was
a lot of doubt in his head

1869
01:38:38,162 --> 01:38:40,540
on what he was gonna be able
to accomplish at that Tour.

1870
01:38:41,666 --> 01:38:43,543
When Frankie was talking to him,

1871
01:38:43,626 --> 01:38:47,096
it was such an honest exchange
between those two guys.

1872
01:38:47,171 --> 01:38:48,468
When he was looking at this guy,

1873
01:38:48,548 --> 01:38:52,223
who had been his friend for
years as well as his teammate,

1874
01:38:52,301 --> 01:38:53,974
and who had doped,

1875
01:38:54,053 --> 01:38:58,524
and he seemed to be admitting to
Frankie more so than to the camera

1876
01:38:58,599 --> 01:39:01,352
that, "I just don't have it.
I'm not good enough."

1877
01:39:01,978 --> 01:39:05,858
He had lost time, and he showed
himself to be the weaker rider.

1878
01:39:17,535 --> 01:39:19,958
I don't have that punch that
I used to have. GIBNEY: Uh-huh.

1879
01:39:28,045 --> 01:39:29,467
Yeah.
Yeah.

1880
01:39:30,590 --> 01:39:32,388
No, but I mean, I...

1881
01:39:35,052 --> 01:39:37,100
I guess I'm... You know...

1882
01:39:38,514 --> 01:39:39,936
In terms of...

1883
01:39:40,016 --> 01:39:41,643
I know. It fucked
up your documentary.

1884
01:39:41,726 --> 01:39:45,230
No, no. No. Nothing fucks
up my documentary.

1885
01:39:47,523 --> 01:39:48,740
I'm sorry.

1886
01:39:58,993 --> 01:40:01,997
I don't think Lance's
apology was just banter.

1887
01:40:02,079 --> 01:40:03,501
Part of it was real.

1888
01:40:03,581 --> 01:40:06,755
Saying he was sorry he couldn't
deliver, one more time,

1889
01:40:06,834 --> 01:40:10,384
the perfect fairy tale that
everyone had come to expect.

1890
01:40:12,173 --> 01:40:15,848
Going forward, he was looking
for a way to salvage things.

1891
01:40:15,927 --> 01:40:18,055
What meaning would
his comeback have

1892
01:40:18,179 --> 01:40:20,273
if he couldn't
finish in the top three?

1893
01:40:20,348 --> 01:40:22,350
Now in second,
he braced for attacks

1894
01:40:22,433 --> 01:40:24,902
from Garmin's Bradley Wiggins
and the Schleck brothers,

1895
01:40:24,977 --> 01:40:27,275
all determined to
push him off the podium.

1896
01:40:44,747 --> 01:40:47,045
Johan knew that
Lance was not at his best.

1897
01:40:47,500 --> 01:40:49,878
So he pursued
a delicate strategy,

1898
01:40:49,961 --> 01:40:52,214
protecting
Contador's yellow jersey

1899
01:40:52,296 --> 01:40:55,220
and a spot on
the podium for his old friend.

1900
01:40:56,050 --> 01:40:58,223
Without the
podium, the comeback,

1901
01:40:58,302 --> 01:41:01,476
it's not just a wash,
but it's a disaster for him.

1902
01:41:05,893 --> 01:41:09,648
Remember that to win the Tour
you don't have to attack.

1903
01:41:09,730 --> 01:41:14,236
Only if you know you can leave
everyone, then you can go.

1904
01:41:15,152 --> 01:41:17,325
Johan didn't want
Contador to attack,

1905
01:41:17,405 --> 01:41:19,908
because he might push the
Schlecks to a faster pace

1906
01:41:19,991 --> 01:41:21,312
than they would
ride on their own.

1907
01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:26,164
If they raced ahead, that could
cost Lance a spot on the podium.

1908
01:41:29,083 --> 01:41:30,644
What's happening here?
Contador's moved.

1909
01:41:30,668 --> 01:41:31,840
He's decided to go it alone.

1910
01:41:31,919 --> 01:41:33,842
Now can there be
a reaction from Andy

1911
01:41:34,005 --> 01:41:35,928
after all the work
that man has done?

1912
01:41:36,007 --> 01:41:37,850
Contador is now
going for the top.

1913
01:41:41,137 --> 01:41:44,812
He's allowed himself just
under two kilometers to the summit,

1914
01:41:44,890 --> 01:41:46,267
and he's going for the win.

1915
01:41:46,350 --> 01:41:48,899
Contador testing the waters
here this afternoon,

1916
01:41:48,978 --> 01:41:51,401
but he hasn't got the gap
on the two Schleck brothers.

1917
01:41:51,731 --> 01:41:54,735
Stop, stop Alberto,
they're on you.

1918
01:41:54,817 --> 01:41:56,239
And it was
a terrific acceleration,

1919
01:41:56,319 --> 01:41:58,037
but that's what
this man is famous for,

1920
01:41:58,195 --> 01:42:00,038
is the acceleration on the mountains.

1921
01:42:00,114 --> 01:42:02,617
There was no need for that shit!

1922
01:42:25,806 --> 01:42:26,807
Shit!

1923
01:42:28,851 --> 01:42:31,445
Lance took dangerous
chances on the descent.

1924
01:42:31,729 --> 01:42:34,653
It was his only chance
to get back in the game.

1925
01:42:35,816 --> 01:42:37,318
By following Contador's attack,

1926
01:42:37,401 --> 01:42:40,905
the Schleck brothers were now
second and third behind Contador.

1927
01:42:40,988 --> 01:42:43,491
Lance was in fourth,
off the podium.

1928
01:42:45,409 --> 01:42:47,503
I wondered what
words were exchanged

1929
01:42:47,620 --> 01:42:48,941
between Contador
and the Schlecks.

1930
01:42:50,039 --> 01:42:53,168
He doesn't care, he's going
all alone on the podium,

1931
01:42:53,250 --> 01:42:56,379
not with the team.

1932
01:42:57,880 --> 01:42:59,848
I don't blame Contador one bit.

1933
01:42:59,924 --> 01:43:03,098
He didn't trust anybody on that
team, and he wanted to make sure

1934
01:43:03,177 --> 01:43:05,430
that he had that yellow jersey
firmly on his shoulders.

1935
01:43:05,513 --> 01:43:06,594
He learned this from Lance.

1936
01:43:06,597 --> 01:43:08,019
When you have a chance
to seize the yellow jersey

1937
01:43:08,099 --> 01:43:10,227
and take time out of your
opponents, you do it.

1938
01:43:10,309 --> 01:43:12,357
Alberto was doing
textbook Lance Armstrong.

1939
01:43:12,436 --> 01:43:14,109
It just backfired on Lance.

1940
01:43:18,401 --> 01:43:21,029
This guy is really unbelievable

1941
01:43:21,112 --> 01:43:23,786
Why did he have to attack?

1942
01:43:28,953 --> 01:43:31,081
There was still one
more mountain to climb,

1943
01:43:31,163 --> 01:43:33,416
cycling's mythic Mont Ventoux.

1944
01:43:34,625 --> 01:43:38,596
If Lance didn't do well here, his
whole comeback would backfire.

1945
01:43:39,672 --> 01:43:43,927
Some people would say he lost precisely
because he couldn't win clean.

1946
01:43:44,009 --> 01:43:45,352
It was a tough challenge.

1947
01:43:45,428 --> 01:43:48,682
In years past,
Lance had never won Ventoux.

1948
01:43:48,764 --> 01:43:52,940
I've had such a long history
with that fucking mountain.

1949
01:43:54,478 --> 01:43:56,731
Lance believed that
a strong showing here

1950
01:43:56,814 --> 01:44:00,569
might somehow extinguish the
doubts that haunted his legacy.

1951
01:44:07,867 --> 01:44:11,292
Following a time trial, Contador
was still safely in the lead,

1952
01:44:11,370 --> 01:44:13,793
but Lance had clawed his way
back to third place,

1953
01:44:13,873 --> 01:44:16,422
just a few seconds ahead
of Wiggins and Frank Schleck

1954
01:44:16,500 --> 01:44:19,379
and just over
a minute behind Andy Schleck.

1955
01:44:26,719 --> 01:44:29,347
The Schlecks seemed determined
to break Armstrong's will

1956
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:30,727
by attacking him
again and again.

1957
01:44:32,057 --> 01:44:34,901
But this time, Armstrong
would not be dropped.

1958
01:44:34,977 --> 01:44:36,524
Look at the face
of Armstrong there.

1959
01:44:36,604 --> 01:44:39,404
He's just telling Frank, "You ain't
going nowhere this afternoon, mate,

1960
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:42,865
"because I'm going to stick
all over your back wheel."

1961
01:44:59,126 --> 01:45:00,628
Ventoux opens up,

1962
01:45:00,711 --> 01:45:03,385
and you could see a very small
group that included him.

1963
01:45:04,924 --> 01:45:07,518
Against every possible odd,

1964
01:45:07,593 --> 01:45:09,186
he had managed to
stay with that group

1965
01:45:09,303 --> 01:45:10,896
and he was not gonna lose time.

1966
01:45:11,472 --> 01:45:13,566
I was like, "He's gonna do it!
I can't believe it!" You know?

1967
01:45:13,849 --> 01:45:15,567
The guy is amazing.

1968
01:45:18,270 --> 01:45:22,241
To see him not just hanging
on, but having some aggression,

1969
01:45:22,817 --> 01:45:26,572
not just surviving,
but asserting,

1970
01:45:26,862 --> 01:45:30,116
was the most
dramatic moment of the Tour.

1971
01:45:30,199 --> 01:45:32,201
He wasn't gonna win. He was
doing it for some other reason,

1972
01:45:32,284 --> 01:45:35,003
some reason that
was unfamiliar to him.

1973
01:45:36,455 --> 01:45:37,581
I was caught up, too.

1974
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:40,759
At that moment,
on that fucking mountain,

1975
01:45:40,835 --> 01:45:43,384
I was just a fan,
rooting for Lance.

1976
01:45:49,593 --> 01:45:51,687
Just before the finish,
Wiggins cracked,

1977
01:45:51,762 --> 01:45:53,981
but Lance found another gear.

1978
01:45:54,056 --> 01:45:56,980
He pedaled on with
Contador and the Schlecks.

1979
01:46:07,403 --> 01:46:08,825
It was a good day.

1980
01:46:08,904 --> 01:46:12,704
I thought I'd be fine, but I
felt better than I expected.

1981
01:46:12,783 --> 01:46:14,706
Right.
Which was good.

1982
01:46:15,286 --> 01:46:17,209
Although I came in
here and wanted to win

1983
01:46:17,288 --> 01:46:20,508
and thought I could win,
thought I could be close,

1984
01:46:22,334 --> 01:46:23,881
that's not going to happen.

1985
01:46:23,961 --> 01:46:25,053
I'm gonna get third.

1986
01:46:25,254 --> 01:46:29,885
I can stand on the third step
and still say that I have won.

1987
01:46:29,967 --> 01:46:33,392
And I've won because of all of
the reasons I wanted to do this.

1988
01:46:33,470 --> 01:46:35,598
My foundation has benefited.

1989
01:46:35,681 --> 01:46:38,059
Cancer survivors and their
families all over the world

1990
01:46:38,142 --> 01:46:40,486
have benefited because of this.

1991
01:46:41,478 --> 01:46:43,446
I think I've
answered a lot of questions

1992
01:46:43,564 --> 01:46:45,487
about the performances
in the past.

1993
01:46:45,566 --> 01:46:46,738
Right.

1994
01:46:46,817 --> 01:46:47,818
Um...

1995
01:46:48,986 --> 01:46:50,454
It was incredible.

1996
01:46:50,529 --> 01:46:52,406
No sooner was the race over

1997
01:46:52,489 --> 01:46:55,413
than Lance was busy writing
a new ending to his story,

1998
01:46:55,492 --> 01:46:57,335
one that even
the French embraced.

1999
01:46:59,163 --> 01:47:03,088
The headline in the paper that had
once trumpeted "The Armstrong Lie"

2000
01:47:03,167 --> 01:47:05,044
now sang a different tune.

2001
01:47:05,127 --> 01:47:08,848
"Chapeau, le Texan."
"Hats off to Armstrong."

2002
01:47:10,341 --> 01:47:14,596
This was the perfect ending for the
original movie I started to make.

2003
01:47:16,764 --> 01:47:17,856
But four years later,

2004
01:47:18,474 --> 01:47:20,727
investigations
revealed something strange

2005
01:47:20,809 --> 01:47:23,813
about Lance's
blood values in 2009.

2006
01:47:23,896 --> 01:47:26,274
During the Tour, Lance
should have seen a decrease

2007
01:47:26,357 --> 01:47:28,109
in the concentration
of his red blood cells.

2008
01:47:29,234 --> 01:47:32,113
Instead, there was an increase
more than once.

2009
01:47:32,196 --> 01:47:35,541
And just before Ventoux,
the day he saved his comeback.

2010
01:47:37,201 --> 01:47:39,203
What happened there with Ventoux

2011
01:47:39,370 --> 01:47:41,372
is kind of what
happened with his life.

2012
01:47:41,455 --> 01:47:44,425
Just like when he was a kid
and he couldn't do it clean,

2013
01:47:44,500 --> 01:47:47,424
there came a point in 2009
when he couldn't do it clean.

2014
01:47:47,503 --> 01:47:50,882
And I think he'd made that
deal again before Ventoux.

2015
01:47:52,049 --> 01:47:54,677
I know what I know,
and I know that it was clean.

2016
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:56,979
We finished the Ventoux.
It was a five or six hour day.

2017
01:47:57,054 --> 01:47:58,431
It was hot.
It was hard, obviously.

2018
01:47:59,014 --> 01:48:01,608
Immediately in the car,
down to the hotel

2019
01:48:01,684 --> 01:48:05,314
and the French guy was there
to take the blood draw.

2020
01:48:07,523 --> 01:48:10,993
I've never in my
career had blood taken

2021
01:48:11,068 --> 01:48:13,992
at the end of a day, at the
end of a stage like that.

2022
01:48:14,071 --> 01:48:15,163
It does not happen.

2023
01:48:15,739 --> 01:48:16,740
Why?

2024
01:48:17,533 --> 01:48:18,785
Because it's normal and natural

2025
01:48:18,867 --> 01:48:20,665
that when the body goes
through stress like that,

2026
01:48:20,744 --> 01:48:25,966
the body is obviously, if not very
dehydrated, extremely dehydrated.

2027
01:48:26,875 --> 01:48:29,845
It's not what they
would call "steady state."

2028
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:33,515
And I think that's common
knowledge and common science.

2029
01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:35,467
It's not a fair number.

2030
01:48:36,301 --> 01:48:39,680
You know, he still
swears to me that he didn't.

2031
01:48:39,763 --> 01:48:42,733
We've talked about
this and I tell him,

2032
01:48:42,850 --> 01:48:45,774
"That's really
a tough one to believe."

2033
01:48:51,984 --> 01:48:54,203
it was tough for
me to believe, too,

2034
01:48:54,319 --> 01:48:56,538
since Lance had
lied to me so often.

2035
01:48:56,613 --> 01:49:00,208
But he was adamant he
did not dope in 2009.

2036
01:49:01,368 --> 01:49:03,712
Why was Lance
hanging on to this one?

2037
01:49:03,787 --> 01:49:06,381
Could it possibly be true?

2038
01:49:06,457 --> 01:49:09,802
Or was the comeback a new lie
to replace the old one?

2039
01:49:10,961 --> 01:49:14,556
Armstrong was in
a position of saying,

2040
01:49:14,631 --> 01:49:15,928
"Look, I'm gonna do
what I did in '99.

2041
01:49:16,008 --> 01:49:17,528
"I'm gonna come in
in the wake of this.

2042
01:49:17,551 --> 01:49:20,805
"I'm gonna clean up my name. I'm gonna
prove that I'm doing it clean."

2043
01:49:22,514 --> 01:49:26,189
it's like a bank robber breaking
back into the bank again

2044
01:49:26,268 --> 01:49:27,815
with everyone watching,

2045
01:49:28,145 --> 01:49:29,466
feeling he would
get away with it.

2046
01:49:29,563 --> 01:49:30,860
Feeling sure he
would get away with it.

2047
01:49:31,023 --> 01:49:33,071
Lance Armstrong!

2048
01:49:44,828 --> 01:49:47,172
Maybe this is why
they came after you.

2049
01:49:47,247 --> 01:49:51,753
It's almost like you were daring
them to look under the hood.

2050
01:49:51,835 --> 01:49:52,961
And they did.

2051
01:49:57,341 --> 01:50:00,311
We now know that the
comeback was not a new beginning,

2052
01:50:00,385 --> 01:50:02,433
but the beginning of the end.

2053
01:50:02,513 --> 01:50:04,982
Yet at the time,
in the fading sun of Paris,

2054
01:50:05,057 --> 01:50:08,812
Lance imagined the start of a new
chapter to his mythic story.

2055
01:50:11,105 --> 01:50:12,778
And I'll be back next year.

2056
01:50:15,776 --> 01:50:17,699
And then maybe we'll really win.

2057
01:50:27,746 --> 01:50:30,340
In 2010, Lance did not win.

2058
01:50:30,541 --> 01:50:32,214
He finished 23rd.

2059
01:50:33,043 --> 01:50:35,011
Contador won
the race and was busted

2060
01:50:35,129 --> 01:50:37,052
for violating
doping regulations.

2061
01:50:39,299 --> 01:50:42,098
Did you see Lance Armstrong using
performance-enhancing drugs?

2062
01:50:42,177 --> 01:50:43,520
I had, yeah.

2063
01:50:43,595 --> 01:50:46,439
Armstrong's comeback brought
all of his enemies out of the woodwork.

2064
01:50:47,057 --> 01:50:50,561
The first to come forward was
Lance's old teammate Floyd Landis.

2065
01:50:50,853 --> 01:50:52,981
Yes. I saw Lance
Armstrong using drugs.

2066
01:50:53,063 --> 01:50:54,583
I'd remind everybody
that this is a man

2067
01:50:54,731 --> 01:50:56,233
that's been under
oath several times

2068
01:50:56,316 --> 01:50:57,488
and had a very
different version.

2069
01:50:57,568 --> 01:51:00,572
This is a man that
wrote a book for profit

2070
01:51:01,196 --> 01:51:02,493
that had a completely
different version.

2071
01:51:02,573 --> 01:51:05,292
If you said, "Give me one
word to sum this all up."

2072
01:51:05,367 --> 01:51:06,664
Credibility.

2073
01:51:06,743 --> 01:51:08,791
And there's...

2074
01:51:08,871 --> 01:51:11,420
Floyd lost his
credibility a long time ago.

2075
01:51:11,498 --> 01:51:15,548
In the hubbub over Landis,
a new name surfaced. Jeff Novitzky.

2076
01:51:15,627 --> 01:51:17,379
He had prosecuted Barry Bonds.

2077
01:51:17,462 --> 01:51:20,807
And now, as part of the FDA,
he was looking at Armstrong.

2078
01:51:20,883 --> 01:51:23,102
Why would Novitzky
have anything to do

2079
01:51:23,218 --> 01:51:25,391
with what
an athlete does in Europe?

2080
01:51:25,470 --> 01:51:28,064
Armstrong's team was sponsored
by a branch of the federal government,

2081
01:51:28,140 --> 01:51:29,141
the US Postal Service.

2082
01:51:29,391 --> 01:51:32,190
It may have involved transfers
of controlled substances.

2083
01:51:32,269 --> 01:51:34,021
It may have money laundering,
tax evasion,

2084
01:51:34,104 --> 01:51:35,902
bribing foreign officials.

2085
01:51:35,981 --> 01:51:37,233
.Doping is not illegal,

2086
01:51:37,316 --> 01:51:40,035
but it's everything that
happens around doping

2087
01:51:40,485 --> 01:51:45,241
that federal investigators wanted to
try and use to prosecute a crime.

2088
01:51:45,490 --> 01:51:47,618
They started subpoenaing
cyclists, one by one.

2089
01:51:48,202 --> 01:51:49,670
Assistants, wives.

2090
01:51:50,662 --> 01:51:52,414
Jeff Novitzky called me.

2091
01:51:52,789 --> 01:51:54,837
I said, "What's taken
you so long to call me?"

2092
01:51:54,958 --> 01:51:58,087
"Well, I...
These things take time."

2093
01:51:58,170 --> 01:51:59,843
I said, "Do you have a pen
and paper on hand?"

2094
01:51:59,922 --> 01:52:02,141
And he said, "Yeah."
I said, "Let's get to work."

2095
01:52:02,424 --> 01:52:04,017
As the investigation continued,

2096
01:52:04,092 --> 01:52:07,767
another cyclist who had been
busted for doping, Tyler Hamilton,

2097
01:52:07,846 --> 01:52:10,224
began to consider his options.

2098
01:52:10,307 --> 01:52:13,186
Tyler had been
Lance's teammate in 1999.

2099
01:52:13,977 --> 01:52:17,231
Tyler had been subpoenaed by the
grand jury, and he had a realization.

2100
01:52:17,314 --> 01:52:19,362
Number one was, all this is gonna
come out one way or the other.

2101
01:52:19,441 --> 01:52:21,318
The lie is too big.

2102
01:52:21,401 --> 01:52:23,904
And the second thing was that
he wanted to tell his story.

2103
01:52:23,987 --> 01:52:28,163
You saw Lance
Armstrong inject EPO?

2104
01:52:28,825 --> 01:52:30,418
Yeah, like, we all did.

2105
01:52:31,954 --> 01:52:36,334
And you see in that footage
Tyler's intense discomfort

2106
01:52:36,416 --> 01:52:39,295
at facing the truth,
how hard that was.

2107
01:52:39,378 --> 01:52:43,133
Omerté is very real, the code of
silence, which is why it took Tyler

2108
01:52:43,215 --> 01:52:47,140
until he was talking to someone
who had a badge and a gun

2109
01:52:47,219 --> 01:52:51,099
before he could fully start the
process of telling the truth.

2110
01:52:51,306 --> 01:52:52,603
It seemed like the dam broke

2111
01:52:52,683 --> 01:52:55,277
when suddenly somebody shows
up with a badge and a gun.

2112
01:52:55,352 --> 01:52:56,774
Different ball game.

2113
01:52:56,853 --> 01:52:59,322
That was never even
a thought in my mind

2114
01:52:59,398 --> 01:53:01,651
going, "Well,
I'm just gonna go lie to

2115
01:53:01,775 --> 01:53:03,994
"a federal prosecutor."
It's, like, no way.

2116
01:53:05,821 --> 01:53:08,370
Early in 2012, an election year,

2117
01:53:08,991 --> 01:53:11,665
the Department of Justice made
a surprising announcement.

2118
01:53:11,743 --> 01:53:14,667
It would not pursue charges
against Armstrong.

2119
01:53:14,746 --> 01:53:17,590
But USADA,
the US Anti-Doping Agency,

2120
01:53:17,666 --> 01:53:19,668
continued with its
own investigation.

2121
01:53:20,252 --> 01:53:23,847
He was one of the ringleaders
of this conspiracy

2122
01:53:23,922 --> 01:53:26,550
that pulled off this grand heist

2123
01:53:27,050 --> 01:53:30,020
using tens of
millions of taxpayer dollars,

2124
01:53:30,095 --> 01:53:33,224
defrauded millions of sports
fans and his fellow competitors.

2125
01:53:34,349 --> 01:53:37,023
Travis Tygart, with help
from government investigators,

2126
01:53:37,102 --> 01:53:41,027
pried detailed testimony from
many of Lance's former teammates.

2127
01:53:41,106 --> 01:53:44,827
Landis, Vaughters,
Hamilton, Andrea,

2128
01:53:44,901 --> 01:53:46,995
and most damaging
of all to Lance,

2129
01:53:47,112 --> 01:53:49,240
his loyal friend,
George Hincapie.

2130
01:53:49,740 --> 01:53:53,586
They said, "Cooperate,
and you'll get six months."

2131
01:53:54,619 --> 01:53:56,212
Right.
Yeah.

2132
01:53:56,288 --> 01:53:58,040
And don't cooperate?

2133
01:53:58,123 --> 01:54:00,251
And you're banned for life.

2134
01:54:01,209 --> 01:54:04,588
Through his lawyers,
Lance attacked Tygart and USADA.

2135
01:54:04,671 --> 01:54:06,173
USADA had said publicly

2136
01:54:06,256 --> 01:54:09,385
that they had offered Lance the
same deal as everyone else.

2137
01:54:09,468 --> 01:54:12,893
It's a claim Armstrong
and his lawyers deny.

2138
01:54:13,013 --> 01:54:15,186
The message wasn't,
"Hey, we gotta give you something.

2139
01:54:15,265 --> 01:54:18,144
"We gotta give you six months. We gotta
give you a penalty, a sanction."

2140
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:21,188
That did not happen.

2141
01:54:21,271 --> 01:54:24,866
The call to me came and said,
"You're screwed.

2142
01:54:24,941 --> 01:54:26,943
"Why don't you come on in here
and confess?"

2143
01:54:27,486 --> 01:54:30,160
But I don't understand
then why go tell the world,

2144
01:54:30,238 --> 01:54:32,286
every opportunity YOU get today

2145
01:54:32,366 --> 01:54:33,583
that we offered
Lance the same deal

2146
01:54:33,700 --> 01:54:34,940
that we offered everybody else?

2147
01:54:35,118 --> 01:54:37,746
Just say, "We wanted him.
We got him.

2148
01:54:38,747 --> 01:54:40,715
"Go dance on his grave."

2149
01:54:43,377 --> 01:54:45,220
USADA banned Armstrong for life.

2150
01:54:46,004 --> 01:54:48,803
His sponsors and
Livestrong cut all ties.

2151
01:54:49,299 --> 01:54:52,678
The UCI stripped him of all
his Tour de France titles

2152
01:54:52,761 --> 01:54:56,140
and his third-place
finish in 2009.

2153
01:54:57,015 --> 01:54:59,609
Armstrong responded
with a defiant tweet.

2154
01:55:05,649 --> 01:55:07,868
I know what it took
to win those Tours.

2155
01:55:08,276 --> 01:55:10,699
Okay, it was a little
more detailed

2156
01:55:10,821 --> 01:55:13,290
than we were told,
or you guys were told.

2157
01:55:14,324 --> 01:55:17,828
But I know what it took, and my
teammates know what it took.

2158
01:55:17,911 --> 01:55:20,585
And those 200-strong pelotons over
seven years, they know what it took.

2159
01:55:20,664 --> 01:55:22,086
And they know who won.

2160
01:55:22,165 --> 01:55:25,590
Did Lance win it according to the
rules of the road at that time?

2161
01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:28,889
Yeah. But did Lance win it
according to the rules?

2162
01:55:28,964 --> 01:55:30,432
No. He still broke the rules.

2163
01:55:30,507 --> 01:55:33,148
Just because everybody's breaking
the rules doesn't mean it's okay.

2164
01:55:34,136 --> 01:55:36,764
Lance still refused
to admit to doping,

2165
01:55:36,847 --> 01:55:39,726
but his fans no longer
believed in his denials.

2166
01:55:40,517 --> 01:55:42,815
With his fairy
tale story in tatters,

2167
01:55:42,894 --> 01:55:45,397
Lance reached out to
friends and critics alike

2168
01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:49,610
and began to wonder out loud if he
should at last admit to his lie.

2169
01:55:50,318 --> 01:55:55,165
After 10 years of his tirade
on me, he called to say he was sorry.

2170
01:55:57,909 --> 01:56:00,207
I still get emotional.
It was...

2171
01:56:02,122 --> 01:56:04,966
It took a lot of courage
for him to say he was sorry

2172
01:56:06,376 --> 01:56:09,596
and for him to tell me

2173
01:56:09,671 --> 01:56:13,221
he's done a lot of bad
things to good people.

2174
01:56:13,300 --> 01:56:15,740
I said, "I'm sure this was a tough
phone call for you to make,

2175
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:18,104
"and I'm sure that these last two
months have been hell for you."

2176
01:56:18,180 --> 01:56:21,855
But I said, "You know what? You've
put me through hell for 10 years."

2177
01:56:21,933 --> 01:56:23,560
I said, "You're
going through nothing.

2178
01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:26,404
"I hope you do
the right thing."

2179
01:56:27,731 --> 01:56:30,701
He started calling
me and we got to talk

2180
01:56:30,775 --> 01:56:35,246
about how his secrets were
gonna be given to the world.

2181
01:56:36,615 --> 01:56:40,040
His decision to go on
Oprah did not win back his fans,

2182
01:56:40,118 --> 01:56:42,997
particularly those who
had defended his lie.

2183
01:56:43,079 --> 01:56:45,207
For the cycling
crowd, it wasn't enough.

2184
01:56:45,290 --> 01:56:46,837
They didn't hear enough.
They wanted to hear more.

2185
01:56:46,917 --> 01:56:50,512
I didn't say enough.
I didn't tell them enough.

2186
01:56:50,587 --> 01:56:52,760
And for the general
population, it was too much.

2187
01:56:53,256 --> 01:56:55,600
Which leads to
everybody being pissed off.

2188
01:56:55,675 --> 01:56:57,723
Because he had lied for so long

2189
01:56:57,802 --> 01:57:03,434
and he was so vicious
in protecting that lie,

2190
01:57:04,142 --> 01:57:05,143
um...

2191
01:57:05,685 --> 01:57:08,108
I don't think people were...

2192
01:57:08,188 --> 01:57:09,861
I really think that people said,

2193
01:57:09,940 --> 01:57:12,443
"Okay, wait.
Let's see what he does.

2194
01:57:12,526 --> 01:57:15,405
"Just because he says this stuff

2195
01:57:15,529 --> 01:57:18,373
"does not mean
everything is gonna be okay."

2196
01:57:18,448 --> 01:57:20,792
We understand now
that if you wanted to win

2197
01:57:20,909 --> 01:57:23,207
or if you wanted
to help someone win

2198
01:57:23,286 --> 01:57:26,586
or if you wanted to make a good
living, you had to dope in that era.

2199
01:57:26,665 --> 01:57:28,633
We understand that now.

2200
01:57:28,708 --> 01:57:32,212
And I think people
would give him that context,

2201
01:57:32,295 --> 01:57:34,013
but it's the lie.

2202
01:57:34,089 --> 01:57:38,720
The doping is bad, but Lance's
abuse of power is worse.

2203
01:57:38,969 --> 01:57:41,347
I see the anger in people.

2204
01:57:41,846 --> 01:57:44,895
And they have every
right to feel betrayed.

2205
01:57:47,269 --> 01:57:48,395
And it's my fault.

2206
01:57:48,979 --> 01:57:50,822
Yet after all the revelations,

2207
01:57:50,897 --> 01:57:53,241
Lance would continue
to hold onto one thing.

2208
01:57:53,316 --> 01:57:56,365
Was Betsy telling the truth
about the Indiana hospital?

2209
01:57:57,821 --> 01:57:59,448
I'm not gonna take that on.

2210
01:57:59,531 --> 01:58:01,579
I'm laying down on that one.

2211
01:58:01,741 --> 01:58:03,334
Was Betsy lying?

2212
01:58:04,995 --> 01:58:06,542
I'm just not...

2213
01:58:07,831 --> 01:58:09,879
The hospital room
is where it all began.

2214
01:58:09,958 --> 01:58:13,588
It all started at
that damn hospital room.

2215
01:58:13,670 --> 01:58:15,468
And he just...

2216
01:58:17,382 --> 01:58:20,101
He was there. I know the truth.
He knows the truth.

2217
01:58:20,176 --> 01:58:21,928
If it's complicated
for him to say

2218
01:58:22,053 --> 01:58:23,805
that it happened, then fine.
I understand that.

2219
01:58:23,888 --> 01:58:25,561
But at this point...

2220
01:58:25,640 --> 01:58:28,644
It doesn't really matter what
happened in that hospital room.

2221
01:58:28,727 --> 01:58:30,149
Doesn't matter at all anymore.

2222
01:58:30,687 --> 01:58:34,191
But its symbolic
weight is enormous.

2223
01:58:35,317 --> 01:58:36,364
It's not about doping anymore.

2224
01:58:36,443 --> 01:58:38,491
That's out there. That's
the least of his problems.

2225
01:58:38,570 --> 01:58:40,664
He has a support
group that's around him

2226
01:58:40,739 --> 01:58:43,288
that have protected him
for years and years and years.

2227
01:58:43,366 --> 01:58:47,337
And now, if he comes out, he throws
a lot of them under the bus.

2228
01:58:47,412 --> 01:58:50,541
He's not ready. I don't think
he's ready for the entire truth.

2229
01:58:50,832 --> 01:58:53,756
He just can't stand to lose.

2230
01:58:54,336 --> 01:58:57,886
He'll go to any length if he
decides he's not gonna lose.

2231
01:58:58,673 --> 01:59:00,892
I think the stakes are enormous

2232
01:59:00,967 --> 01:59:04,062
for him really coming to terms
with what he did.

2233
01:59:04,846 --> 01:59:09,522
Did you feel in any way
that you were cheating?

2234
01:59:10,602 --> 01:59:11,649
No.

2235
01:59:11,728 --> 01:59:14,072
You did not feel
that you were cheating?

2236
01:59:14,939 --> 01:59:15,986
At the time, no.

2237
01:59:16,066 --> 01:59:18,740
Psychologically, when you
tell that lie for that long

2238
01:59:18,818 --> 01:59:22,072
over and over and over
and people are believing it,

2239
01:59:22,155 --> 01:59:24,578
it's very, very difficult,
if not impossible,

2240
01:59:24,658 --> 01:59:26,501
to fully reckon
with that right away.

2241
01:59:26,618 --> 01:59:28,962
I kept hearing, you know, I'm a...
That you're a cheat.

2242
01:59:29,245 --> 01:59:31,839
I'm a drug cheat.
I'm a cheat. I'm a cheater.

2243
01:59:31,915 --> 01:59:34,885
And I went and looked up
the definition of "cheat."

2244
01:59:35,251 --> 01:59:36,844
Yes?

2245
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:40,800
And the definition of cheat is "to
gain an advantage on a rival or foe."

2246
01:59:40,882 --> 01:59:43,681
You know, that they don't
have, or that, you know...

2247
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:44,977
I didn't view it that way.

2248
01:59:47,681 --> 01:59:51,185
GiBNEY: Another definition
for cheat is "to deceive."

2249
01:59:51,267 --> 01:59:54,020
That's why Lance is a cheater.

2250
01:59:54,104 --> 01:59:55,651
He deceived his fans.

2251
01:59:55,730 --> 01:59:59,234
Yet it's also fair to say that
they were willing to be fooled.

2252
01:59:59,442 --> 02:00:02,241
So many people,
from cancer survivors,

2253
02:00:02,362 --> 02:00:05,115
to reporters,
to sponsors, to myself

2254
02:00:05,198 --> 02:00:08,873
loved the beautiful lie
more than the ugly truth.

2255
02:00:08,952 --> 02:00:11,375
The story was
a bestseller for Lance, too.

2256
02:00:11,454 --> 02:00:14,958
It made him a fortune
of over $125 million.

2257
02:00:16,334 --> 02:00:18,177
That is a bitter truth.

2258
02:00:18,253 --> 02:00:20,847
It pays to believe in
winning at all costs.

2259
02:00:20,922 --> 02:00:23,926
And the cruelty Lance showed
his enemies off the bike

2260
02:00:24,008 --> 02:00:27,478
was the very thing that allowed
him to win on the bike.

2261
02:00:31,266 --> 02:00:34,190
People will forgive and forget
and move on, or they won't.

2262
02:00:34,269 --> 02:00:36,943
And there will be
plenty of the latter.

2263
02:00:37,021 --> 02:00:38,068
Sure.

2264
02:00:38,148 --> 02:00:41,243
You know, at some point people will
say, "Okay, here's what happened."

2265
02:00:41,317 --> 02:00:46,073
And then judge for themselves.

2266
02:00:46,156 --> 02:00:49,285
I mean, I don't know what people
will think in 20, 30, 40, 50 years.

2267
02:00:49,367 --> 02:00:51,415
Is the record book still gonna
be blank for seven years?

2268
02:00:51,494 --> 02:00:54,998
I guess it will be.
I don't know.

2269
02:00:55,081 --> 02:00:56,754
Or do people go...

2270
02:00:57,751 --> 02:01:00,971
They look at this thing,
in the context that it is

2271
02:01:02,464 --> 02:01:05,809
and say, "Well, yeah.

2272
02:01:07,093 --> 02:01:09,846
"He won the Tour de
France seven times."