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<i> As the Head of the Shin Bet, </ i>

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<i> You learn that politicians
prefer binary options. </ i>

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<i> They don't like having three or four choices. </ i>

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<i> They want you to tell them, "Zero or one." </ i>

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<i> "Do it, don't do it." </ i>

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<i> As a commander, I find myself </ i>

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<i> in a situation that exists
different gray shades. </ i>

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<i> Say you are hunting a terrorist. </ i>

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<i> You can get it, </ i>

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<i> but there are one or two people in the rowing. </ i>

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<i> You are not sure
if they are part of the gang or not. </ i>

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What are you doing?
Do you fire or not?

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<i> There is no time. </ i>

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<i> This situation is the last moment,
the longest minute. </ i>

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<i> People expect a decision, </ i>

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and with their decision usually means "act."

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That's a decision.

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"Don't do it" seems easier,
but it's often more difficult.

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Sometimes this operation is very clean.

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No one is hurt except a terrorist .

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Even then, later, life stops,

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at night, when you are shaving.

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We all have our moments.
Vacation...

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<i> You said, "Alright, </ i>

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<i>" I made a decision </ i>

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<i > "and the number of X people killed. </ i>

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<i> "They must be about
to launch a major attack." </ i>

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Nobody is close to those who are injured.
It's just as sterile.

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But you still say,

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"There is something unnatural about that."

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What is unnatural is the power you have

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to take three people, terrorists,

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and commit suicide in an instant.

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<i> How old are you during the Six Day War? </ i>

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<i> I am 11 years old. </ i>

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I remember thinking, "What is war?"

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It's hard to say if I really understand,

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but I remember her feelings

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but I remember her feelings

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p>

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<i> I read it </ i> a <i> lot, if Israel loses war. </ i>

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It illustrates a very unpleasant scenario

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<i> we lost the war </ i>

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<i> and the Arabs conquering Israel. </ i>

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It had a big impact on me.

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I thought about it like a boy.

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<i> In the Six Day War, I was in Operation. </ i>

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The Arabs gave up

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and we suddenly left without enemies.

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You are like a dog in a race, <br / > looking for rabbits

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The rabbit goes underground,
and the dog can't find it.

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We are like that.

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Then we start working < br /> in the West Bank and Gaza

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in anti-terrorism, without
knowing exactly what it is

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because terrorism has not developed yet.

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<i> We decided to do
a census in the Region </ i>

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<i> to find out how many people < > live in a refugee camp. </ i>

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<i> That's important.
We used the information for years. </ I>

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But you know how things are. </ P>

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They call backup
and train them quickly. </ P>

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What I mean quickly ?
You knock on the door.

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They ask, "Who is there?"
You say, "Soldier."

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"What do you want?"
"We came to count you."

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That's it.
How many words?

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It's okay.
Ten words.

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<i> The reservis unit comes
and knocks on the door. </ i>

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They asked, "Who is there?"
What did the army say?

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<i> "Warrior," as they learned. </ i>

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"What do you want?"

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But they make mistakes.

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Instead of saying nehsikum
with unreasonable

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they use accents

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What is the difference?

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<i> "Jinna nehsikum" means
"We come </ i> for <i> count </ i> you. "

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" Jinna nekhsikum "with an
accent is" We came to castrate you. "

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<i> We attended an intensive course 
oral and literary Arabic, </ i>

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<i> read articles and manuscripts. </ i>

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Anyone who takes Shin Bet & apos; s
Arabic program seriously

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knows Arabic

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He can listen to Arabic
and read between lines.

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He can read notes from agents...

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<i> Shin Bet looks for people to talk to </ i>

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<i> to understand what
motivates Palestinians. </ i>

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For the first time, some Jews raised it

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the idea of a Palestinian state.

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I like the idea,

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<i> so I go to Territory with people </ i>

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<i> who handles Palestinians </ i>

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<i> We don't know what we want to achieve. </ i>

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We don't get directions
about our goals.

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If you don't get directions
from politicians,

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Anda ... sama seperti dengan
kelinci ... mencari.

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<i> I started as
coordinator in Nablus district. </ i>

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<i> Is a very beautiful area, full of olive trees. </ i>

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I like getting out of the car and wandering

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on the field, refugee camps, alleyways,

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visiting the house, sitting in a cafe, talking... .

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I really like the interaction with people.

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From exotic encounters with olive trees,

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landscapes, and farmers,

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I find myself at the center of
from the Palestinian problem

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I work in a refugee camp. </ P>

103
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<i> Suddenly you see what refugees are. </ i>

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<i> Once you look deeper, you say, "Wait. </ i>

105
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<i>" I'm not an observer,
here to take photos and go. </ i>

106
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<i> "I am an active participant." </ i>

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Initially, your security role
is everything you care about.

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It's easier to be on that side.

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<i > Curfew is placed
in the casbah of Hebron, </ i>

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<i> where one Israeli soldier was killed
and the others were injured. </ i>

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<i> Both of them patrolled
when shots were heard. </ i>

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<i> Someone is injured.
Others chase the shooter. </ I>

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<i> He was later found killed here. </ i>

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Gradually there is an increase...
To make him cynical,

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fortunately for us, terrorism increases.

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Why do I say that?

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Because now we are working

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and we stop dealing with
a Palestinian state

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- understand?
- Of course.

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Once we stop trading
with a Palestinian state

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and start dealing with terrorism,

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terror becomes more sophisticated.
So do we.

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Suddenly we have a lot of work
in Gaza and the West Bank,

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and abroad also,

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so we forget about the Palestinian problem.

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In Nablus, wherever you throw stones,

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There is a cat or terrorist.

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A few nights we held hundreds of people. </ P>

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<i> We will take over a village </ i>

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<i> and collect everyone in the square, </ i >

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<i> usually in the mosque or in the school yard. </ i>

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We use the "identifier" technique.

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Terrorists claiming
will be put in the vehicle.

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Windows have blinds
and they wear masks.

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We will sit there, and villagers pass

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Next to the vehicle, and they will tell us,

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"He is a terrorist trained in Syria,"

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"He is a terrorist returning from Jordan."

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<i> Not everyone works together, </ i>

140
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<i> but we usually catch it. </ i>

141
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<i> At that time, most intelligence
was based on HUMINT, </ i>

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<i> HUMAN INTENSITY we got in two ways. </ i>

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<i> Whether from our agent
or interrogation of inmates. </ i>

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On my first day at work,

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the person I changed
picked me up at home

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He decided the best place to train
an inexperienced security person like me

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interrogation facilities in Jerusalem.

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I started learning intelligence there.

149
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<i> I don't know if you've done it before?
Being in jail, </ i>

150
00:15:00,818 --> 00:15:04,905
<i> but one in Jerusalem
is the worst thing I know. </ i>

151
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<i> This is a very old building
from the time of the Turks. </ i>

152
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<i> Normal people walk through the door
and he is ready to admit to killing Jesus. </ i>

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<i> You need to make the suspect feel tense. </ i>

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You need to make it understand

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that when we are finished,
he will submit the information,

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be faster the better.

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<i> Shin Bet has interrogated </ i>

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<i> tens of thousands of people,
if not hundreds of thousands. </ i>

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Shin Bet is a well-oiled system.

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This is well organized and effective.
This is systematic.

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<i > You receive the territorial unit </ i>

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<i> and study it, village by village, follow in the footsteps, </ i>

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<i> whether by field visit </ i >

164
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<i> or many interviews
with the masses of people who come </ i>

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<i> to military headquarters. </ i>

166
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<i> You sit with them and ask </ i>

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<i> them to tell you about the village, clan, </ i> </ p >

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<i> of the number of people in the village </ i>

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<i> for what institutions you have... </ i>

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<i> You finally reached the point </ i>

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<i> where you mark who you want to recruit. </ i>

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<i> In the end you know that you want X </ i>

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<i> because of connection X, </ i>

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<i> his ability to infiltrate the place where
you want to watch </ i>

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<i> is such that he is his agent
You want to recruit. </ i>

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Recruiting people means
taking someone who

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usually doesn't like you

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and making him do something
he never believe he can

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To convince someone to be betrayed

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his environment, his friends,
Sometimes his family

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is not a small thing.

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<i> All in all, we get
control of the war on terror. </ i>

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We store it on a low fire
so that the state can do what it wants.

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That's important,

185
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but that doesn't solve the problem
from occupation

186
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<i> What happened was </ i>

187
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<i> not 20 attacks a week,
there were 20 years. </ i>

188
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<i> All in all, there is no Israeli prime minister </ i>

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<i> considering Palestinians, </ i> </ p >

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whether they live inside
boundaries & 67; or not.

191
00:18:33,655 --> 00:18:37,826
<i> What is the difference between
Golda Meir and Begin?
None. </ I>

192
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<i> He did not visit Arabs.
Nor did he. </ I>

193
00:18:43,582 --> 00:18:45,626
<i> He calls himself a Palestinian. </ i>

194
00:18:45,709 --> 00:18:51,548
<i> Begin didn't even say it because
they weren't important to him. </ i>

195
00:18:52,424 --> 00:18:56,887
<i> On Peres day, the atmosphere changes, </ i>

196
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<i> but he does the same thing
as his predecessor. </ i>

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- Continue the occupation?
- Yes!

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Elves continue to show us this chart.

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How many people were caught ?
How many informants are there?

200
00:19:16,323 --> 00:19:19,535
How many attacks have been prevented?
How many?

201
00:19:19,618 --> 00:19:21,912
The image is always bright,

202
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but it's point-specific.
There is no strategy, just tactics.

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<i> 1982
Lebanon war. </ I>

204
00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:01,869
<i> IDF entered Lebanon. </ i>

205
00:20:01,952 --> 00:20:07,749
<i> Shin Bet recruits operatives. </ i>

206
00:20:09,418 --> 00:20:12,963
<i> In a short time, the Shin Bet controls Lebanon, </ i>

207
00:20:13,046 --> 00:20:15,465
<i> is the same as controlling the West Bank. </ i>

208
00:20:19,845 --> 00:20:22,139
<i> Avraham Shalom is the head of the Shin Bet. </ i>

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00:20:23,807 --> 00:20:29,646
After the most years
leading intelligence services,

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Mossad was replaced by the Shin Bet.

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00:20:33,275 --> 00:20:36,111
I thought that was him

212
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to Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir
and before him, Begin,

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the most important people
in their security circle

214
00:20:46,955 --> 00:20:51,418
I think what happened to him
that he felt he could do whatever he wanted.

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00:20:52,794 --> 00:20:55,505
<i> People were not amazed by Avraham Shalom.
They were afraid of him. </ I>

216
00:20:55,589 --> 00:20:56,965
<i> They are afraid of him. </ i>

217
00:20:57,174 --> 00:21:01,845
<i> He is strong, strong, smart, </ i>

218
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very stubborn, uncompromising and disturbing.

219
00:21:08,352 --> 00:21:13,106
If he don't like something, head will roll over.

220
00:21:37,422 --> 00:21:40,884
<i> I was in Jerusalem
When 300 bus incidents occurred. </ i>

221
00:21:41,593 --> 00:21:45,681
Central Command Head
calls me on the hotline

222
00:21:46,139 --> 00:21:51,728
A bus heading south
Tel Aviv is hijacked

223
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<i> and goes to Gaza. </ i>

224
00:21:54,398 --> 00:21:59,027
<i> A chase occurs with a helicopter. </ i>

225
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The bus stops right outside my area.

226
00:22:09,121 --> 00:22:15,127
They call that morning to say it
that they raided the bus

227
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and two terrorists
I was taken to interrogation

228
00:22:21,633 --> 00:22:26,054
I turned on the news
and heard that all terrorists were killed.

229
00:22:26,471 --> 00:22:30,517
I told my wife that something was foul smelling here.

230
00:22:32,936 --> 00:22:35,605
Please explain what happened that night.

231
00:22:36,273 --> 00:22:40,235
You got a call and were told
a bus was hijacked?

232
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I don't remember

233
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- I was in Haifa.
- Yes and...

234
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They said, "A bus was hijacked. Come on."
So I left.

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00:24:16,873 --> 00:24:24,548
"Terrorists were beaten to death
by Security Forces"

236
00:24:25,715 --> 00:24:27,509
The army handled it.

237
00:24:28,468 --> 00:24:32,722
During the operation,

238
00:24:33,348 --> 00:24:38,979
They killed two people, and two others come out unscathed.

239
00:24:39,646 --> 00:24:41,189
I don't know that.

240
00:24:45,735 --> 00:24:47,821
They beat the spotlight from them,

241
00:24:49,030 --> 00:24:50,574
two of them.

242
00:24:51,491 --> 00:24:53,201
So Shin Bet takes them...

243
00:24:54,202 --> 00:25:00,041
I ask Ehud, Chief of Operations,

244
00:25:03,170 --> 00:25:04,671
What conditions are they in? </ P>

245
00:25:04,754 --> 00:25:08,175
He said they were almost dead.
Maybe the army said that. </ P>

246
00:25:08,592 --> 00:25:11,928
So I said, "Hit them again and finish." </ P>

247
00:25:12,262 --> 00:25:13,722
He didn't do that. </ P>

248
00:25:14,139 --> 00:25:15,765
He did what he explained,

249
00:25:16,016 --> 00:25:21,104
- which I found a year later.
- What did he do?

250
00:25:21,855 --> 00:25:27,444
I thought he took a stone
and destroyed their heads,

251
00:25:27,777 --> 00:25:31,031
but they are unconscious.

252
00:25:31,364 --> 00:25:34,117
I don't know what their situation is.

253
00:25:34,492 --> 00:25:38,872
Photos show them
before they are beaten.

254
00:25:38,955 --> 00:25:41,041
Soldiers pounce on them.

255
00:25:43,126 --> 00:25:44,961
The photo was taken before that.

256
00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:48,465
It's not how they look when we get it.

257
00:25:49,716 --> 00:25:50,884
How do they look?

258
00:25:50,967 --> 00:25:55,430
I don't know,
But some people think they are dead

259
00:25:57,098 --> 00:26:00,560
They break their bones.
It's a death sentence.

260
00:26:02,229 --> 00:26:04,314
You don't see them physically?

261
00:26:05,565 --> 00:26:06,983
I didn't see them.

262
00:26:44,354 --> 00:26:49,192
I didn't see them.

263
00:26:49,776 --> 00:26:51,653
p>

264
00:26:52,779 --> 00:26:54,197
We killed a terrorist, whose hands were tied,

265
00:26:54,864 --> 00:26:57,242
who no longer threatened us.

266
00:26:57,325 --> 00:27:00,704
With what was right

267
00:27:04,708 --> 00:27:06,543
But at the Shin Bet when that,

268
00:27:07,419 --> 00:27:10,380
there is no such concept
as an illegal command.

269
00:27:10,755 --> 00:27:13,300
and to some extent,
they are watching the Shin Bet.

270
00:27:16,469 --> 00:27:17,887
<i> This is a difficult question. </ i>

271
00:27:19,180 --> 00:27:23,184
Does the Prime Minister know
about planned murder,

272
00:27:23,268 --> 00:27:28,398
plans to kill terrorists
caught on 300 buses?

273
00:27:28,481 --> 00:27:34,863
Does the head of the Shin Bet have the authority
to do that, to make that decision? </ P>

274
00:27:37,407 --> 00:27:40,577
Under what circumstances
does Shamir give you permission to kill? </ P>

275
00:27:41,786 --> 00:27:45,040
There is one or two cases,
when I can't find it,

276
00:27:45,123 --> 00:27:46,916
and it must be done.

277
00:27:47,334 --> 00:27:48,585
What to do?

278
00:27:49,336 --> 00:27:54,674
We have to deal with Arabs
who will launch the attack,

279
00:27:54,758 --> 00:27:56,593
or launch the attack.

280
00:27:57,344 --> 00:28:01,765
He says, "If you can't find me,
decide for yourself

281
00:28:02,682 --> 00:28:04,768
When did you realize that you had to resign?

282
00:28:05,352 --> 00:28:08,563
I offered my resignation
to Shamir the next day.

283
00:28:08,646 --> 00:28:10,523
He said, "Don't dare."

284
00:28:11,775 --> 00:28:15,779
<i> He was afraid if I resigned, < br /> he must also resign. </ i>

285
00:28:18,865 --> 00:28:23,036
<i> He went to Shimon Peres.
Rabin was the Minister of Defense. </ I>

286
00:28:24,287 --> 00:28:26,873
<i> He said, "You gave the same permission to kill, </ i>

287
00:28:27,082 --> 00:28:30,543
<i>" so if you leave us to the wolf, < / i>

288
00:28:30,627 --> 00:28:33,046
<i> "we will drag you with us." </ i>

289
00:28:35,298 --> 00:28:37,967
They keep telling me what to do
and how to respond.

290
00:28:38,218 --> 00:28:40,470
I don't do anything without coordinating it.

291
00:28:41,346 --> 00:28:46,309
I have never imagining the incident
one year coordinating,

292
00:28:47,185 --> 00:28:52,315
they would drop this problem and say,
"We don't know."

293
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:58,571
I no longer take politicians seriously.

294
00:28:58,780 --> 00:29:02,951
- Because?
- Because I see that they can't be trusted.

295
00:29:03,284 --> 00:29:06,496
They leave the injured in the field. 
/> It's not for me. </ P>

296
00:29:06,704 --> 00:29:07,747
You're the one who hurt

297
00:29:08,498 --> 00:29:10,667
Not me
All Shin Bet. </ P>

298
00:29:14,087 --> 00:29:19,968
The Shin Bet operation says,
"We were sent to a 24/7 mission. </ P>

299
00:29:20,051 --> 00:29:24,055
" Some legalities are questioned.
Some are almost illegal. </ P>

300
00:29:24,139 --> 00:29:25,598
"Some are legal. </ P>

301
00:29:26,099 --> 00:29:27,934
"Nobody gives us support. </ P>

302
00:29:28,852 --> 00:29:35,191
<i>" Once the press knows
about the operation, </ i>

303
00:29:35,275 --> 00:29:37,485
<i> "if we don't get support whatever
from politicians, </ i>

304
00:29:37,569 --> 00:29:39,446
<i> "this is a sign that they are leaving us." </ i>

305
00:29:41,448 --> 00:29:46,286
"The agreement was reached:
The Shin Bet head resigned..."

306
00:29:47,996 --> 00:29:51,207
<i> Shin Bet exposure as a result
of 300 bus incidents </ i>

307
00:29:51,749 --> 00:29:55,753
and that feeling,
"Guys, we are not omnipotent.

308
00:29:55,837 --> 00:30:00,884
"There is a legal system above us"
start sinking

309
00:30:08,892 --> 00:30:11,811
Why did you give orders to kill them?

310
00:30:12,353 --> 00:30:15,231
I don't want any more terrorists living in court.

311
00:30:16,733 --> 00:30:21,029
p>

312
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,865
It will only increase terrorism.
It increases it.

313
00:30:23,948 --> 00:30:26,075
Does it really kill
terrorists on 300 buses?

314
00:30:26,743 --> 00:30:29,370
Based on the results, no.

315
00:30:30,497 --> 00:30:32,999
- Only because of the results?
- Only because of the results.

316
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:36,878
So, if there are no reporters,
it's OK

317
00:30:36,961 --> 00:30:38,004
Do you ask me, or did you tell me? </ P>

318
00:30:38,213 --> 00:30:41,424
I ask you. </ P>

319
00:30:44,677 --> 00:30:46,679
If he doesn't come, nobody knows. </ P>

320
00:30:47,722 --> 00:30:52,268
With terrorism there is no moral.
Find the morals of the terrorists first.

321
00:30:53,353 --> 00:30:55,230
And if he gives up?

322
00:30:55,438 --> 00:30:59,275
- This is not a moral matter.
- Then what is that?

323
00:30:59,734 --> 00:31:05,114
This is a tactical, not strategic problem.

324
00:31:07,659 --> 00:31:10,578
So for you, the decision
killed two terrorists...

325
00:31:10,662 --> 00:31:14,040
You still painted it black and white.
There was a decision...

326
00:31:14,123 --> 00:31:16,000
Two captured terrorists were killed.

327
00:31:16,084 --> 00:31:18,378
Why did you succeed?

328
00:31:18,461 --> 00:31:20,922
I tried to understand his morality.

329
00:31:21,005 --> 00:31:22,966
There is no morality in such cases.

330
00:31:23,049 --> 00:31:25,802
In the war on terror,
forget morality

331
00:31:25,885 --> 00:31:28,972
If there is a one-ton bomb,
forget morality

332
00:32:18,271 --> 00:32:23,443
The First Intifada is the charge of
who blew up this room,

333
00:32:23,651 --> 00:32:25,153
with all the explosives,

334
00:32:25,236 --> 00:32:27,655
because it happened spontaneously.

335
00:32:28,656 --> 00:32:31,993
<i> A nation rose and tried
to launch a revolution, </ i>

336
00:32:32,493 --> 00:32:33,536
<i> to kick us out. </ i>

337
00:32:53,973 --> 00:32:57,518
I am the second in command here
in the Southern District.

338
00:32:59,395 --> 00:33:05,652
A wave of mass protests erupted,
bigger than anything we saw .

339
00:33:06,277 --> 00:33:09,739
<i> Hundreds and thousands.
People take to the streets. </ i>

340
00:33:09,822 --> 00:33:11,824
<i> Only fire of life can stop it. </ i>

341
00:33:42,689 --> 00:33:46,776
<i> The number of people
in the list that the Shin Bet is looking for </ i>

342
00:33:46,859 --> 00:33:51,280
<i> is probably the biggest
from the intelligence agency anywhere. </ i>

343
00:33:51,739 --> 00:33:57,078
<i> Dozens in every region,
hundreds, thousands... </ i>

344
00:34:08,631 --> 00:34:13,136
<i> Explain how Shin Bet, 
/> who controls this region, </ i>

345
00:34:13,761 --> 00:34:16,889
<i> does not foresee the
rebellion of this magnitude. </ i>

346
00:34:17,390 --> 00:34:21,144
<i> What does the intelligence agency know
the fall of the Berlin Wall? </ i>

347
00:34:22,311 --> 00:34:27,442
Complaining about Shin Bet
should have been predicted...

348
00:34:28,151 --> 00:34:31,612
Formally, in principle, yes, it should.

349
00:34:31,696 --> 00:34:33,281
That's the hope. </ P>

350
00:34:33,364 --> 00:34:35,283
<i> That's why you operate the system, </ i>

351
00:34:35,366 --> 00:34:38,786
<i> maintain a very large intelligence
factory... right. </ i>

352
00:34:39,203 --> 00:34:41,622
<i> But you have to tell the truth. </ i>

353
00:34:41,914 --> 00:34:44,125
<i> Almost all intelligence of
agencies in the world </ i>

354
00:34:44,333 --> 00:34:49,839
<i> failed to predict major historical events. </ i>

355
00:34:52,258 --> 00:34:55,178
You ask yourself, "Where am I wrong?"

356
00:34:55,928 --> 00:34:58,765
Not in the sense that I rule them,

357
00:34:58,848 --> 00:35:01,684
but should I let this happened,

358
00:35:01,768 --> 00:35:06,522
or should I go
before they say, "Get out."

359
00:35:07,982 --> 00:35:12,695
But the question is more
philosophical than practical.

360
00:35:12,904 --> 00:35:14,280
They are the most interesting.

361
00:35:14,363 --> 00:35:16,783
Yes, but listen.
You can't...

362
00:35:16,866 --> 00:35:21,078
Most of them don't have a definite answer.

363
00:35:21,162 --> 00:35:22,955
I don't need a definite answer.

364
00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:29,504
There are many examples
Since 1967, when, in my opinion,

365
00:35:30,254 --> 00:35:35,051
and I think that too,

366
00:35:35,134 --> 00:35:38,054
we should have achieved it 
an agreement and get out.

367
00:35:38,137 --> 00:35:39,764
Why don't you say that?

368
00:35:39,847 --> 00:35:41,516
We all have our criticisms,

369
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:43,726
but that doesn't suit my mandate

370
00:35:43,810 --> 00:35:47,647
to convince Prime Minister
to go to Palestine or not.

371
00:35:47,855 --> 00:35:51,901
It also depends on
who is handling this problem

372
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,322
<i> Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir never believed </ i>

373
00:35:56,405 --> 00:35:59,242
<i> an
agreement with the Arabs was possible. </ i>

374
00:35:59,742 --> 00:36:01,869
<i> Yitzhak Rabin really believed it. </ i>

375
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,674
<i> If we want a serious opportunity </ i>

376
00:36:15,091 --> 00:36:18,261
<i> in solving the Palestinian-Israeli problem, </ i>

377
00:36:18,845 --> 00:36:23,432
the time is now, and the partner is PLO,

378
00:36:23,724 --> 00:36:31,607
who got rid of the principles themselves
that I hate them for.

379
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:31,334
<i> For us, the Oslo Agreement < br /> erupted in one day. </ i>

380
00:37:32,251 --> 00:37:34,337
The fairy is the head of the Shin Bet at that time.

381
00:37:35,046 --> 00:37:37,006
He updated me about Oslo.

382
00:37:37,423 --> 00:37:41,427
He said, "Avi, listen, we must act Hurry up,

383
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,347
"to talk to PLO & sos; s
representatives on the field

384
00:37:44,764 --> 00:37:47,266
"and deal with all the suspects

385
00:37:47,683 --> 00:37:50,394
" because we cannot continue
chasing the PLO suspect

386
00:37:50,478 --> 00:37:55,691
"after we sign an agreement in Washington."

387
00:38:00,488 --> 00:38:04,700
<i> It's amazing.
The first meeting was held in Geneva. </ I>

388
00:38:04,784 --> 00:38:06,869
<i> Sitting in the lobby is Jibril Rajoub, </ i>

389
00:38:07,244 --> 00:38:10,748
and me, not me personally but Shin Bet,

390
00:38:10,831 --> 00:38:13,000
put it he was in prison when he was 16 years old.

391
00:38:13,542 --> 00:38:15,836
He sat in prison for 18-20 years.

392
00:38:16,212 --> 00:38:18,714
You saw that you met people

393
00:38:18,839 --> 00:38:21,842
whose wishes to peace and tranquility,

394
00:38:21,926 --> 00:38:23,844
who wants an agreement

395
00:38:23,928 --> 00:38:27,390
is not ambitious than yours

396
00:38:27,807 --> 00:38:28,975
That is very difficult for me.

397
00:38:29,058 --> 00:38:32,061
I feel like I'm doing something...

398
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,064
I can't do this.
I chase those people.

399
00:38:35,147 --> 00:38:38,234
How can I sit with terrorists?

400
00:38:38,484 --> 00:38:40,820
They kill people.

401
00:38:40,903 --> 00:38:42,738
Can I sit with them?

402
00:38:43,072 --> 00:38:46,826
For them, by the way, I too a terrorist.

403
00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:51,497
As a Palestinian, he looks at you
and says, "You are also a terrorist."

404
00:38:51,914 --> 00:38:53,165
How did that happen?

405
00:38:53,374 --> 00:38:55,418
Then You realize that...

406
00:38:57,753 --> 00:39:01,590
"That one man's terrorist
fighter of another's freedom." </ P>

407
00:39:05,052 --> 00:39:09,140
Israel's enemy number one terrorist

408
00:39:09,223 --> 00:39:12,268
until Arafat's day entering Gaza

409
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,061
is Fatah, PLO.

410
00:39:14,145 --> 00:39:17,440
Instantly, the PLO leaves the circle of terror.

411
00:39:18,733 --> 00:39:22,111
<i> Hamas and Islamic Jihad fill the void. </ i>

412
00:39:33,956 --> 00:39:37,209
<i> We wonder how the
Palestinians will function. </ i>

413
00:39:37,293 --> 00:39:42,715
<i> What is their commitment to fighting terrorism </ i>

414
00:39:43,215 --> 00:39:46,302
in the area they control.

415
00:39:47,053 --> 00:39:52,433
We also ask how we can prevent terrorism

416
00:39:52,516 --> 00:39:54,977
if we no longer control the Region.

417
00:40:15,414 --> 00:40:21,754
<i> The first bus bombing I saw
was bus 5 in 1994. </ i>

418
00:40:22,296 --> 00:40:25,007
It was the first suicide bombing in Tel Aviv.

419
00:40:26,175 --> 00:40:31,305
I didn't will never forget it

420
00:40:32,515 --> 00:40:37,228
<i> This is the first time I feel it
I can't isolate myself </ i>

421
00:40:37,311 --> 00:40:43,359
From that view,
from body odor burnt.

422
00:40:43,859 --> 00:40:45,194
I will never forget it

423
00:40:45,528 --> 00:40:49,240
Later it passed.
I saw many other bus attacks.

424
00:40:56,789 --> 00:40:59,875
<i> This continued with the attack that is terrible
on Beit Lid Junction </ i>

425
00:41:00,584 --> 00:41:04,713
and the
Stock Exchange and 18 buses in Jerusalem.

426
00:41:08,509 --> 00:41:11,137
Feelings at Shin Bet
whenever there is an attack </ i>

427
00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:12,888
that we can't prevent it

428
00:41:12,972 --> 00:41:16,058
is a terrible sense of failure,
disappointment,

429
00:41:16,308 --> 00:41:19,228
Especially if the attack is huge.

430
00:41:19,436 --> 00:41:21,981
There is a feeling of disappointment .

431
00:41:22,064 --> 00:41:23,566
How do we fail to prevent it?

432
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:28,445
<i> That is the lowest point in the Shin Bet </ i>

433
00:41:28,529 --> 00:41:33,826
<i> I remember in 32- 33 years I
in the organization. </ i>

434
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,749
As suicide attacks increase,

435
00:41:40,833 --> 00:41:44,879
as long as Hamas plays
the main role in this attack,

436
00:41:45,421 --> 00:41:49,008
the need to use moderate physical pressure
During interrogation increases

437
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,765
<i> Interrogating Hamas and Islamic Jihad
is far more difficult. </ i>

438
00:41:57,391 --> 00:42:00,436
<i> Anyone who wants to sacrifice his life, </ i>

439
00:42:00,728 --> 00:42:03,606
<i> is it for a virgin in heaven or not, </ i> </ p >

440
00:42:04,690 --> 00:42:06,275
<i> nothing to lose. </ i>

441
00:42:11,697 --> 00:42:16,327
Things become more complicated
with "the right time bomb."

442
00:42:17,494 --> 00:42:22,333
that basically means that
you have information or instructions

443
00:42:22,416 --> 00:42:25,419
about the possibility of an attack terrorist,

444
00:42:26,462 --> 00:42:27,796
whether to commit suicide or something

445
00:42:28,464 --> 00:42:30,633
However, people will die

446
00:42:31,467 --> 00:42:35,888
and how to find out,
"Yes, no, then , where? "

447
00:42:35,971 --> 00:42:38,557
lies with the person you are interrogating.

448
00:42:52,947 --> 00:42:55,783
<i> You use all types of techniques </ i>

449
00:42:55,866 --> 00:43:01,288
<i> reduce its ability to refuse. </ i>

450
00:43:06,001 --> 00:43:10,798
Interrogation techniques
we are allowed to be

451
00:43:11,507 --> 00:43:13,300
sleep deprivation

452
00:43:14,009 --> 00:43:21,016
<i> sit handcuffed in sickness,
demean , tiring position. </ i>

453
00:43:23,602 --> 00:43:26,021
<i> What did you get from covering their heads? </ i>

454
00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:31,110
<i> It's pitch black, and you lose
your feeling where you are. </ i>

455
00:43:31,193 --> 00:43:32,528
You don't know what's around you.

456
00:43:32,778 --> 00:43:36,282
You can hear,
But you don't know what's there.

457
00:43:36,365 --> 00:43:37,700
<i> And shaking? </ i>

458
00:43:37,783 --> 00:43:41,036
<i> Vibrate is used to set the presence. </ i>

459
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,831
<i> This threatens.
There is no harm. </ I>

460
00:43:44,957 --> 00:43:48,627
What it does is intimidate you. </ P>

461
00:43:48,836 --> 00:43:53,674
An interrogator picks you up
and shakes you up
you feel threatened. </ P>

462
00:43:56,135 --> 00:43:59,972
<i> What happened is that?
someone named Harizat, </ i>

463
00:44:00,180 --> 00:44:04,727
<i> from Hamas, was a small man
and he was shaken. </ i>

464
00:44:05,728 --> 00:44:08,272
That was the case of a shaken baby syndrome.

465
00:44:08,355 --> 00:44:11,233
His brain hit his skull and he died as a result.

466
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:18,449
This results in a bitter argument

467
00:44:18,532 --> 00:44:24,997
between me as the head of the Shin Bet
and Attorney General Michael Ben-Yair,

468
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:30,336
who consider it immoral and unethical.

469
00:44:31,795 --> 00:44:34,340
In response, I said that if we don't use it,

470
00:44:34,423 --> 00:44:38,385
if we prevent 90 percent
from suicide attacks now,

471
00:44:38,594 --> 00:44:41,764
we will prevent 70 percent instead,

472
00:44:43,182 --> 00:44:45,434
which means Israelis are dead.

473
00:44:46,810 --> 00:44:49,271
Prime Minister Rabin must decide.

474
00:44:50,105 --> 00:44:54,860
He once came out of his chair angrily

475
00:44:54,943 --> 00:44:58,405
<i> and shout at Ben-Y a ", </ i>

476
00:44:58,489 --> 00:45:00,699
" You keep saying what I can't do!

477
00:45:00,783 --> 00:45:03,243
"Tell me what I can do ! "

478
00:45:03,327 --> 00:45:05,788
that is a very contentious matter.

479
00:45:10,834 --> 00:45:14,254
Rabin is a security officer
in every bone on his body, </ i>

480
00:45:14,338 --> 00:45:18,258
<i> is not someone we have to
explain when we say, </ i>

481
00:45:18,342 --> 00:45:20,427
<i> "We don't have the tools to provide security." </ i>

482
00:45:20,511 --> 00:45:22,096
<i> He understood it perfectly. </ i>

483
00:45:23,013 --> 00:45:25,099
<i> You see that he was torn on it, </ i>

484
00:45:26,642 --> 00:45:29,186
<i> but he made a decision saying, </ i> </ p >

485
00:45:29,269 --> 00:45:32,815
"We will fight terror
as if there is no peace process

486
00:45:32,898 --> 00:45:35,150
" and continue the peace process
as if there was no terror. "

487
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:44,493
<i> When the attack increases, </ i>

488
00:45:44,993 --> 00:45:47,079
<i> is correct, and not just extremists, </ i>

489
00:45:47,663 --> 00:45:51,583
goes down on the road against the Oslo Accords.

490
00:45:51,667 --> 00:45:55,963
That's what Hamas wants,
and they succeed.

491
00:46:03,387 --> 00:46:08,642
With blood and fire, we will drive Rabin out!

492
00:46:26,743 --> 00:46:32,291
<i> Most of the opposition to the
peace process came from religious camps. </ i>

493
00:46:32,791 --> 00:46:40,716
Their leader was the target of
Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.

494
00:46:42,509 --> 00:46:45,721
<i> The incitement was focused on him. </ i>

495
00:47:36,355 --> 00:47:42,110
<i> As a young army who recruited in 1974, they took us </ i>

496
00:47:42,653 --> 00:47:47,199
<i> to stop the first Jewish settlers
in The West Bank. </ i>

497
00:47:48,450 --> 00:47:53,247
<i> We stood there, rows of soldiers
grabbing each other's arms. </ i>

498
00:47:53,872 --> 00:48:01,713
The settlers started to beat us in anger.

499
00:48:02,130 --> 00:48:03,882
I remember that I really didn't like it.

500
00:48:03,966 --> 00:48:07,219
Illegal settlements were built even though

501
00:48:07,302 --> 00:48:09,888
>

502
00:48:09,972 --> 00:48:12,307
or contrary to, government decisions,

503
00:48:12,391 --> 00:48:14,893
but no Israeli government

504
00:48:17,896 --> 00:48:22,150
<i> The fact that most Israeli governments </ i>

505
00:48:22,568 --> 00:48:28,532
have not given the settlers

506
00:48:28,615 --> 00:48:32,494
the feeling that they are slowly
hosting,

507
00:48:32,578 --> 00:48:35,247
<i> that they get the freedom to act </ i>

508
00:48:35,330 --> 00:48:39,084
<i> because the government turned away. </ i>

509
00:48:39,167 --> 00:48:41,628
<i> If they do it with an illegal settlement, </ i>

510
00:48:41,837 --> 00:48:44,506
This can continue to be an illegal activity.

511
00:48:57,185 --> 00:49:00,522
<i> On in 1980, Fatah cells </ i>

512
00:49:00,939 --> 00:49:04,359
<i> attacked worshipers who went
synagogues in Hebron. </ i>

513
00:49:09,406 --> 00:49:12,701
<i> The revenge attack occurred 30 days later. </ i>

514
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,539
<i> They attacked the Palestinian mayor
Bassam Shaka & apos; a in Nab / us </ i>

515
00:49:17,623 --> 00:49:20,208
<i> and Karim Halaf in Ramallah . </ i>

516
00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:27,841
Another bomb was blinded by
someone from the bomb squad

517
00:49:28,175 --> 00:49:31,386
at Ibrahim Tawil's house,
al-Bireh's mayor.

518
00:49:43,231 --> 00:49:44,775
We know the Jews did it.

519
00:49:44,858 --> 00:49:50,697
We don't think that is some
Palestinian group that compete

520
00:49:51,198 --> 00:49:54,242
You check Jewish files and find no clues.

521
00:49:54,326 --> 00:49:57,162
At some point you realize
that you have a problem,

522
00:49:57,245 --> 00:49:58,538
that it is intelligence failure.

523
00:50:01,458 --> 00:50:06,838
<i> We put our entire
Operations Unit in action. </ I>

524
00:50:07,714 --> 00:50:11,343
<i> The operation was entered
tens of thousands of hours, </ i>

525
00:50:14,888 --> 00:50:18,850
<i> until, 6 months later,
we were in the right direction. </ i>

526
00:50:18,934 --> 00:50:20,394
<i> We know who did it. </ i>

527
00:50:21,895 --> 00:50:26,566
<i> They are very ideological groups,
really the best quality. </ i>

528
00:50:27,192 --> 00:50:33,448
<i> In addition, some of them are even the leaders of
from the communities where they live. </ i>

529
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:39,746
<i> That gives them access to the Prime Minister. </ i>

530
00:50:39,830 --> 00:50:41,915
They have access to the Knesset.

531
00:50:41,998 --> 00:50:43,792
They have access to the ministry.

532
00:50:43,875 --> 00:50:45,752
They are friends with ministers.

533
00:50:45,836 --> 00:50:48,839
They is part of the founding of Israel,

534
00:50:48,922 --> 00:50:52,134
esteemed establishment
of the State of Israel.

535
00:50:52,259 --> 00:50:57,931
We say, "if we do not arrest them
In his actions, we will never can catch them. "

536
00:51:01,768 --> 00:51:06,148
<i> That decision came
when they planned to install a bomb </ i>

537
00:51:06,356 --> 00:51:09,609
<i> on the Palestinian bus
on the spot parking in Jerusalem. </ i>

538
00:51:09,818 --> 00:51:15,365
The attack they planned
on the bus was crazy.

539
00:51:15,449 --> 00:51:19,494
They intended to kill 250 Arabs at once.

540
00:51:20,454 --> 00:51:22,164
<i> We followed them all night. </ i>

541
00:51:22,831 --> 00:51:24,916
<i> I ordered the operation in Jerusalem. </ i>

542
00:51:27,836 --> 00:51:30,589
<i> It was another night that I will never forget. </ i>

543
00:51:32,215 --> 00:51:37,429
<i> We held them at 4:30 a.m.,
put a bomb on the bus. </ i>

544
00:51:38,388 --> 00:51:41,808
We got out of our car and said,
"Come on, join us.

545
00:51:42,642 --> 00:51:45,687
" If you don't want anything
to happen to our bomb squad,

546
00:51:45,771 --> 00:51:47,939
"Unload the bomb."

547
00:51:52,569 --> 00:51:55,363
<i> We did our first wave of arrests,
from 17 members. </ i>

548
00:51:55,447 --> 00:52:01,536
Then we investigated
and found that from 1978-9,

549
00:52:01,620 --> 00:52:04,372
they planned an attack
on the Temple Mount

550
00:52:04,539 --> 00:52:07,167
to blow up the Dome of the Rock.

551
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:15,091
<i> At first, the idea was
based on the belief that </ i>

552
00:52:15,175 --> 00:52:20,055
<i> during the "abomination" that stands
on the site of the Jewish Temple, </ i>

553
00:52:20,472 --> 00:52:22,307
there will be no redemption

554
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:24,518
and therefore, 
they have to get rid of the dome.

555
00:52:26,895 --> 00:52:28,730
<i> They prepare bombs. </ i>

556
00:52:29,064 --> 00:52:33,318
<i> They use very sensitive
types of explosives, Semtex. </ i>

557
00:52:33,819 --> 00:52:37,739
<i> It was planned by Menachem Livni, </ i>

558
00:52:37,823 --> 00:52:40,742
<i> who became the dismantling of the genius. </ i>

559
00:52:43,036 --> 00:52:45,831
<i> Allegations will be placed in such a way
all burst power </ i>

560
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:49,167
<i> will be directed to the supporting structure. </ i>

561
00:52:49,251 --> 00:52:52,254
<i> This will result in
in the collapse of the Dome. </ i>

562
00:53:10,272 --> 00:53:13,441
The consequences of blowing up
Dome of the Rock, even today,

563
00:53:13,775 --> 00:53:18,280
is that it can cause total war
by all Islamic countries,

564
00:53:18,613 --> 00:53:20,282
not only Arab countries,

565
00:53:20,699 --> 00:53:24,119
Not only Iran, Indonesia too,

566
00:53:25,704 --> 00:53:27,455
p>

567
00:53:27,789 --> 00:53:34,212
against the state of Israel

568
00:53:34,754 --> 00:53:38,216
I am not talking about the risks
to Jewish minorities around the world.

569
00:53:39,551 --> 00:53:45,098
These people decided to do it

570
00:53:45,181 --> 00:53:48,977
of some mystical beliefs
that this will be the Armageddon War

571
00:54:01,865 --> 00:54:04,075
that will deliver the Messiah
and the Jewish kingdom.

572
00:54:04,242 --> 00:54:09,331
<i> After we open the Jewish Underground, </ i>

573
00:54:10,582 --> 00:54:14,336
Prime Minister Shamir called
my unit "diamonds in the crown."

574
00:54:15,170 --> 00:54:19,758
We received praise
and support from everywhere.

575
00:54:21,676 --> 00:54:25,180
Then the lobby on their behalf begins.

576
00:54:25,555 --> 00:54:28,266
<i> different sentences.
They all get out of prison very quickly. </ I>

577
00:54:29,142 --> 00:54:31,353
<i> They went home as if nothing had happened. </ i>

578
00:54:31,561 --> 00:54:34,064
<i> They returned
to the previous position, </ i>

579
00:54:34,147 --> 00:54:38,860
<i> some even went to a higher position. </ i>

580
00:54:39,819 --> 00:54:42,739
The main question
is how history will judge us

581
00:54:42,822 --> 00:54:44,574
in the history of the Jews.

582
00:54:44,658 --> 00:54:47,118
I am sure
The Dome of the Rock

583
00:54:47,202 --> 00:54:49,204
will not stay on the Temple Mount

584
00:54:49,287 --> 00:54:52,415
and the Temple Mount will return to us,

585
00:54:52,499 --> 00:54:55,460
just as I'm sure
that the murderer same,

586
00:54:55,543 --> 00:54:58,088
whose legs I take part in removing,

587
00:54:58,171 --> 00:54:59,881
deserve their fate

588
00:55:06,888 --> 00:55:11,309
All underground
released by the Knesset.

589
00:55:12,143 --> 00:55:15,480
Forgiveness Law for Jews
Underground signed by

590
00:55:16,523 --> 00:55:19,317
Yitzhak Shamir
as Prime Minister of Israel.

591
00:55:19,526 --> 00:55:22,153
Not just a few members
from the Opposition

592
00:55:22,737 --> 00:55:24,990
Initially,
"Oh, no, they break the law.

593
00:55:25,073 --> 00:55:29,327
"They kill people.
They want to blow up the country," etc.

594
00:55:30,161 --> 00:55:33,206
Then they say,
"They are our flesh and blood myself. "

595
00:55:33,289 --> 00:55:37,377
Then, the delegitimization process of
was transferred to the Shin Bet.

596
00:55:38,086 --> 00:55:41,339
The story of the Jewish Underground
was an episode

597
00:55:41,673 --> 00:55:46,052
that was correct really shaken up
Shin Bet's wise intelligence.

598
00:55:46,136 --> 00:55:48,930
This formed an intelligence mechanism
That, from that moment on,

599
00:55:49,389 --> 00:55:52,934
continued to watch over the Jewish suspect
worth watching,

600
00:55:53,018 --> 00:55:55,687
in our opinion, in the West Bank.

601
00:55:55,770 --> 00:56:00,150
You watch it carefully.
You work hard

602
00:56:00,233 --> 00:56:07,282
and come Yigal Amir,
who has never been on the list of suspects.

603
00:56:07,365 --> 00:56:11,619
He wakes up one morning
and shoots the Prime Minister.

604
00:56:49,699 --> 00:56:53,745
<i> Around July-August 1995, </ i>

605
00:56:54,162 --> 00:57:00,502
I began to feel that way
faced with an increase in

606
00:57:00,585 --> 00:57:04,923
of the potential for the murder
of the Prime Minister.

607
00:57:05,006 --> 00:57:10,637
Rabin is a traitor!
Rabin is a traitor!

608
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:15,850
We are against the government
that brings us to the brink!

609
00:57:18,895 --> 00:57:23,358
Right activity in Israel is not secret again.

610
00:57:23,983 --> 00:57:28,196
You don't need
the head of the Shin Bet to explain

611
00:57:28,571 --> 00:57:34,536
what did Aunt Netanyahu or Arik Sharon say

612
00:57:34,619 --> 00:57:37,122
<i> to the demonstrators at Jerusalem </ i>

613
00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:40,667
<i> You don't need
the head of the Shin Bet to explain </ i>

614
00:57:40,750 --> 00:57:45,380
<i> to the Israeli public
and especially Prime Minister </ i>

615
00:57:45,463 --> 00:57:50,218
<i> the importance of Rabin's coffin
on a mock funeral. </ i>

616
00:57:53,721 --> 00:57:59,477
With blood and fire,
we will drive Rabin!

617
00:57:59,936 --> 00:58:02,856
<i> Things start to heat up more and more. </ i>

618
00:58:03,189 --> 00:58:06,484
<i> There was an experimental attack
at the Wingate Institute. </ i>

619
00:58:09,237 --> 00:58:13,408
After that, I approached him and said,

620
00:58:13,491 --> 00:58:17,912
"Listen, Yitzhak, it doesn't work like that.

621
00:58:18,496 --> 00:58:20,748
" They will hurt you in the end .

622
00:58:21,416 --> 00:58:25,503
"I ask you to start using
bulletproof vests

623
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:31,342
" and drive in an armored car.
We will improve your security details. "

624
00:58:32,260 --> 00:58:34,262
He helped me down.

625
00:58:34,345 --> 00:58:38,725
" I am a soldier in front of the State.
I will not wear a bulletproof vest. "

626
00:58:38,808 --> 00:58:40,852
Did you talk to the rabbis
and the settler leaders?

627
00:58:40,935 --> 00:58:45,607
Yes.
I met with rabbis.
I met with settler leaders.

628
00:58:46,566 --> 00:58:50,945
<i> We talked about incitement and rebellion. </ i>

629
00:58:52,572 --> 00:58:56,451
The government has no right
forcing people to do

630
00:58:56,534 --> 00:59:00,705
anything that conflicts
Torah and Jewish Law.

631
00:59:05,710 --> 00:59:07,962
You all here,

632
00:59:08,504 --> 00:59:11,633
With your presence at this meeting,

633
00:59:11,841 --> 00:59:13,259
prove

634
00:59:14,052 --> 00:59:17,805
that people really want peace

635
00:59:18,223 --> 00:59:20,558
and oppose violence.

636
00:59:27,732 --> 00:59:30,944
I went to Paris on Thursday,
maybe Wednesday,

637
00:59:31,361 --> 00:59:35,323
on that assignment
forced by Rabin

638
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:38,660
I got call from the head of my bureau,

639
00:59:39,786 --> 00:59:43,748
who told me that Rabin was injured.

640
00:59:46,376 --> 00:59:50,880
I was shocked, of course,
but I was surrounded by people,

641
00:59:50,964 --> 00:59:52,924
so I have to function.

642
00:59:54,425 --> 01:00:00,056
On a personal level, until I sit
on a plane in the dark at night,

643
01:00:00,139 --> 01:00:03,518
on a flight to Tel Aviv,
I think this is the first time

644
01:00:03,601 --> 01:00:08,022
what I started feeling in my heart
what I knew in my head

645
01:00:09,023 --> 01:00:13,111
Thank God for these four hours

646
01:00:13,194 --> 01:00:17,782
because it gave me a chance
to absorb losses

647
01:00:17,865 --> 01:00:27,166
from a man who is truly extraordinary.

648
01:00:51,607 --> 01:00:53,818
"I am ashamed."

649
01:00:53,901 --> 01:00:59,240
Come to think of it, I can say that
it changes all over the world.

650
01:01:00,533 --> 01:01:05,330
Suddenly I see a different Israel.

651
01:01:05,747 --> 01:01:10,084
I am not aware of its intensity
from the abyss and hatred,

652
01:01:11,919 --> 01:01:15,214
of the split there is between us.

653
01:01:15,673 --> 01:01:17,592
How do we see our future?

654
01:01:18,801 --> 01:01:23,389
What do we have in common?

655
01:01:23,473 --> 01:01:28,686
Why are we here?
What do we want ?

656
01:01:29,812 --> 01:01:37,236
All of that is clear,
and everything falls apart.

657
01:01:39,822 --> 01:01:41,908
<i> Rabin's murder destroyed all hope. </ i>

658
01:01:41,991 --> 01:01:48,289
<i> This shows very clearly
that some punk from a murderer, </ i>

659
01:01:48,498 --> 01:01:50,458
<i> with a gun that can barely shoot, </ i>

660
01:01:50,917 --> 01:01:55,046
can get rid of hope,
the whole peace process.

661
01:01:55,505 --> 01:01:58,216
He can change everything.

662
01:02:08,643 --> 01:02:12,397
First of all, I decide ,
After consulting with my wife,

663
01:02:13,022 --> 01:02:16,901
I will take the responsibility of the minister,

664
01:02:16,984 --> 01:02:19,278
and submit my resignation.

665
01:02:19,362 --> 01:02:21,823
I did it right away. </ P>

666
01:02:22,824 --> 01:02:24,409
What did he say to you? </ P>

667
01:02:26,285 --> 01:02:30,748
He... tried to keep me alive. </ P>

668
01:02:32,834 --> 01:02:34,836
That was a very difficult time. </ P> >

669
01:02:35,545 --> 01:02:39,715
Yigal Amir succeeded.
He changed history.

670
01:02:39,799 --> 01:02:45,263
He changed history.
He made it big time.

671
01:02:46,305 --> 01:02:47,849
- Until today.
- Until today.

672
01:02:48,057 --> 01:02:50,768
On the contrary, it is getting worse.

673
01:02:51,602 --> 01:02:54,188
I believe that we will see another
political assassination

674
01:02:57,358 --> 01:03:00,361
around withdrawal
from the West Bank.

675
01:03:01,863 --> 01:03:05,283
It will come from everything direction,
especially from the rabbis,

676
01:03:05,366 --> 01:03:09,454
because rabbis have
there is no reason to learn anything.

677
01:03:10,872 --> 01:03:15,751
As far as the extremist rabbi
concerned , the system proved itself.

678
01:03:38,774 --> 01:03:42,361
Rabin Murder
took me to the Shin Bet.

679
01:03:43,654 --> 01:03:46,491
<i> A year earlier, I lowered Rabin, </ i>

680
01:03:46,574 --> 01:03:48,659
<i> when he asked me
to become the head of the Shin Bet. </ i>

681
01:03:49,911 --> 01:03:52,830
<i> After the murder of Yitzhak Rabin,
I realized I had no choice. </ I>

682
01:03:53,247 --> 01:04:00,129
It's clear Shin Shin
is facing a serious crisis

683
01:04:00,796 --> 01:04:03,508
and everyone at Shin Bet knows about it.

684
01:04:03,591 --> 01:04:07,970
Everything about Shin Bet & apos; s
surgery collapsed

685
01:04:08,054 --> 01:04:11,516
The security surrounding
The Prime Minister collapses.

686
01:04:11,766 --> 01:04:14,852
The intelligence that should be there
prevents the murder from collapsing.

687
01:04:14,936 --> 01:04:17,063
Shin Bet's strong suit,

688
01:04:17,146 --> 01:04:21,025
prevent Palestinian and Islamic terror,

689
01:04:21,108 --> 01:04:22,985
can no longer provide the goods.

690
01:04:23,277 --> 01:04:25,905
The organization goes down to calculate.

691
01:04:35,790 --> 01:04:39,877
Shin Bet needs new tools
and they must be developed.

692
01:04:40,586 --> 01:04:44,674
We also realize
that we rely on strength,

693
01:04:44,757 --> 01:04:45,800
not our brain.

694
01:04:52,473 --> 01:04:58,646
<i> We start applying it
organizational shift, </ i>

695
01:04:58,980 --> 01:05:04,944
<i> from
field operations for people sitting in the office </ i>

696
01:05:05,027 --> 01:05:07,405
<i> in front of their computer monitor. </ i>

697
01:05:13,369 --> 01:05:16,706
We prevent more attacks every year.

698
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:20,042
We achieve greater security every year.

699
01:05:20,126 --> 01:05:21,294
How did that happen?

700
01:05:22,336 --> 01:05:25,590
>

701
01:05:25,673 --> 01:05:27,633
That has a lot to do with change
we made it at Shin Bet,

702
01:05:29,635 --> 01:05:33,180
But the truth must be told.

703
01:05:33,514 --> 01:05:35,850
A more significant achievement

704
01:05:39,020 --> 01:05:42,481
is cooperation between us
and Palestinians.

705
01:05:42,690 --> 01:05:45,943
<i> I met with all the top sections
Palestinian security officials, </ i>

706
01:05:46,027 --> 01:05:47,278
< i> everything, once a month,
to coordinate intelligence. </ i>

707
01:05:48,529 --> 01:05:50,239
<i> They always say to me, </ i>

708
01:05:51,032 --> 01:05:54,160
<i> "We are not your agent. </ i>

709
01:05:54,368 --> 01:05:59,707
"We only do it because our people
believe that,

710
01:06:00,499 --> 01:06:03,961
" at the end of the day,
we will have a country next to Israel.

711
01:06:04,045 --> 01:06:07,298
" When we no longer believe that,
forget us. "</ P>

712
01:06:17,391 --> 01:06:21,062
Just as there is a strong desire,
a firm decision

713
01:06:21,145 --> 01:06:25,316
and real intentions by Peres and Rabin
to reach agreement

714
01:06:25,733 --> 01:06:30,529
after Rabin left, desire,

715
01:06:30,738 --> 01:06:36,911
or Israel's intention to achieve it
a real agreement shrank,

716
01:06:36,994 --> 01:06:38,537
to make it lighter.

718
01:06:46,712 --> 01:06:49,507
<i> There is no good faith
from the Palestinian side </ i>

719
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,258
<i> and not from Israel. </ i>

720
01:06:53,010 --> 01:06:56,722
We want security
and get more terrorism.

721
01:06:56,931 --> 01:07:00,017
They want a country
and get more settlements.

722
01:07:00,101 --> 01:07:04,021
When we started the Oslo process
in 1993-1994,

723
01:07:04,105 --> 01:07:08,734
100,000 settlers
lived in the West Bank and Gaza,

724
01:07:08,818 --> 01:07:11,779
did not belong to the suburbs of Jerusalem new ones.

725
01:07:12,571 --> 01:07:14,240
At the end of the process,

726
01:07:14,865 --> 01:07:16,534
6-7 years later,

727
01:07:16,617 --> 01:07:19,036
in the summer of 2000,
When the process collapsed,

728
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,580
<p p>

729
01:07:24,667 --> 01:07:26,961
there are more than 220,000 settlers

730
01:07:27,044 --> 01:07:29,964
<i> Ehud Barak is very proud </ i>

731
01:07:30,047 --> 01:07:32,633
<i> has built more settlements
from Aunt Netanyahu </ i>

732
01:07:35,803 --> 01:07:38,639
<i> or other Prime Ministers before him </ i>

733
01:07:39,265 --> 01:07:42,893
<i> So the question is not whether
is a partner. </ i>

734
01:07:43,436 --> 01:07:47,606
<i> Arafat has no partner.
Barracks have no partners. </ I>

735
01:07:54,989 --> 01:07:58,117
<i> It's clear we are heading to
towards another Intifadah, </ i>

736
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,787
another round of violence
by a group, a community, a nation

737
01:08:01,871 --> 01:08:05,291
who felt there was no harm.

738
01:09:22,451 --> 01:09:24,411
<i> In 2002, I went to London. </ i>

739
01:09:24,662 --> 01:09:28,249
The Intifada went berserk.
It was hell and we went to London,

740
01:09:28,374 --> 01:09:31,627
a group of Israelis and a group of
Palestinians,

741
01:09:31,710 --> 01:09:35,089
to see if we can do anything

742
01:09:35,798 --> 01:09:39,343
In some cases,
I made a cup of coffee for myself

743
01:09:39,426 --> 01:09:41,679
and I was approached
by a Palestinian acquaintance

744
01:09:43,639 --> 01:09:47,226
<i> was named Sate Satwa a Psychiatric Doctor. </ i>

745
01:09:47,685 --> 01:09:52,565
He said, "Ami, we finally beat you."

746
01:09:53,315 --> 01:09:56,944
I said to him, "Are you angry?
What do you mean, defeat us?

747
01:09:57,444 --> 01:10:03,117
"Hundreds of you were killed.
At this level thousands of you will be killed.

748
01:10:04,285 --> 01:10:07,955
" You will lose whatever
few countries you have

749
01:10:08,706 --> 01:10:12,293
" and you will lose the dream of your country.
What kind of victory is that? "

750
01:10:13,043 --> 01:10:16,088
He said to me,
" Ami, I don't understand you.

751
01:10:16,171 --> 01:10:18,465
" You still don't understand us. </ P>

752
01:10:18,799 --> 01:10:22,553
"For us, victory is seeing you suffer. </ P>

753
01:10:22,636 --> 01:10:24,305
" That's all we want. </ P>

754
01:10:25,347 --> 01:10:28,601
"The more we suffer, < br /> the more you will suffer.

755
01:10:28,684 --> 01:10:35,649
"Finally, after 50 years,
we have reached the balance of power,

756
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:37,985
" a balance,

757
01:10:39,486 --> 01:10:43,449
"Your F-16 against our suicide bomber." </ P>

758
01:10:43,657 --> 01:10:48,829
lyad Saraj's statement
gave me very clear insight

759
01:10:49,121 --> 01:10:52,583
Suddenly I understood
the bomb phenomenon suicide.

760
01:10:52,791 --> 01:10:55,753
Suddenly I understand
Our reaction is very different.

761
01:10:55,836 --> 01:11:01,508
How many operations have we launched
because we are sick,

762
01:11:02,009 --> 01:11:07,181
because when they blow up the bus
It really hurts us and we want revenge?

763
01:11:07,348 --> 01:11:08,724
How often do we do that?

764
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,677
<i> Yahya Ayyash is the most senior terrorist </ i>

765
01:11:44,969 --> 01:11:46,845
<i> who has operated against Israel, </ i>

766
01:11:47,471 --> 01:11:49,890
<i> certainly the most senior member of Hamas. </ i>

767
01:11:51,141 --> 01:11:53,310
<i> He is an engineer. </ i>

768
01:11:53,394 --> 01:11:58,232
<i> He knows how to make a bomb
from improvised explosives. </ i>

769
01:11:58,649 --> 01:12:03,529
That was a bomb belt
which exploded on the bus.

770
01:12:04,071 --> 01:12:09,034
Second, he knew how to convince
someone to commit suicide

771
01:12:09,994 --> 01:12:14,373
<i> Finally, he has the ability to survive
the description of beggared. </ i>

772
01:12:14,707 --> 01:12:20,379
<i> For years,
every IDF soldier took his picture. </ i>

773
01:12:20,671 --> 01:12:24,133
He is undoubtedly us
the number one most sought after by people.

774
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:33,267
Yahya <i> A yyash moved </ i> from Samaria to Gaza.

775
01:12:33,517 --> 01:12:37,563
<i> It takes some time
to get that intelligence. </ i>

776
01:12:37,980 --> 01:12:45,029
Then we started the basic supervision to see the
around, where he went.

777
01:12:52,786 --> 01:12:56,540
Of course, everyone has his weaknesses.

778
01:12:57,666 --> 01:13:01,295
<i> Yahya Ayyash's weak point is
his wife and child. </ i>

779
01:13:02,796 --> 01:13:08,802
After a long time living alone in Gaza,
he asked them to join him.

780
01:13:09,344 --> 01:13:16,727
We knew the whole story,
and I decided to let them enter Gaza.

781
01:13:18,812 --> 01:13:25,110
<i> I thought, once they were in Gaza,
he would want to see it. </ i>

782
01:13:25,194 --> 01:13:28,739
<i> Maybe the mouse
will come out of the hole. </ i>

783
01:13:31,492 --> 01:13:36,580
<i> Then we found that
he really missed his father. </ i>

784
01:13:37,623 --> 01:13:40,334
How do you know that?
she wants to talk to her father?

785
01:13:40,667 --> 01:13:42,127
We hear.

786
01:13:42,211 --> 01:13:45,839
- From the source? <br / > - We heard rumors

787
01:13:48,467 --> 01:13:53,472
<i> He never used a cellphone.
People called him. </ I>

788
01:13:55,974 --> 01:13:58,852
After weeks of persuasion,

789
01:13:59,728 --> 01:14:03,524
he agreed to talk with his father
for a few minutes. </ P>

790
01:14:05,442 --> 01:14:09,696
At this point, we start
laying the foundation

791
01:14:10,072 --> 01:14:13,492
for our cellphone
to infiltrate around it.

792
01:14:14,243 --> 01:14:17,788
<i> Then we start doing it
all backup jobs,

793
01:14:18,288 --> 01:14:23,252
<i> make sure it's innocent
The cellphone has explosives in it. </ i>

794
01:14:23,335 --> 01:14:27,589
Shin Bet is a technical expert,

795
01:14:28,132 --> 01:14:33,011
experts make small equipment
with lots of power,

796
01:14:33,095 --> 01:14:35,639
not so much broadcast power 
as explosive power.

797
01:14:35,722 --> 01:14:39,059
Because it's difficult for us
to make direct contact with Ayyash,

798
01:14:39,143 --> 01:14:43,564
we use intermediary services.

799
01:14:43,647 --> 01:14:45,566
He gave her cellphone.

800
01:14:49,069 --> 01:14:52,072
<i> One Friday, everything is there. </ i>

801
01:14:52,406 --> 01:14:54,741
<i> We turn off explosives
on the phone </ i>

802
01:14:56,869 --> 01:14:58,412
and nothing works.

803
01:14:59,329 --> 01:15:04,835
Everything that we wake up for eight months
mess in front of us.

804
01:15:05,043 --> 01:15:07,254
Everything works perfectly.

805
01:15:07,462 --> 01:15:11,008
Then we click to get coffee
and it doesn't come out.

806
01:15:11,091 --> 01:15:12,259
p>

807
01:15:13,802 --> 01:15:17,431
<i> Within a few days, the phone
returned to its natural environment. </ i>

808
01:15:17,890 --> 01:15:20,601
<i> We see that no one suspects anything, </ i>

809
01:15:20,684 --> 01:15:22,186
<i> things are running as usual. </ i>

810
01:15:24,438 --> 01:15:26,773
<i> We all gather again. </ i>

811
01:15:29,985 --> 01:15:34,489
<i> On Friday morning, his father called him. </ i>

812
01:15:34,990 --> 01:15:40,954
<i> The bugging cable is known
Ayyash's voice and tells us. </ I>

813
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,917
Someone presses a button

814
01:15:45,834 --> 01:15:47,461
and the cellphone explodes

815
01:15:48,253 --> 01:15:51,632
while it's right next to
Yahya Ayyash. </ P>

816
01:15:51,715 --> 01:15:55,135
He was killed on the spot
and no one around him was hurt.

817
01:15:55,510 --> 01:16:01,642
More importantly, nobody
On the ground floor was an explosion.

818
01:16:02,100 --> 01:16:07,356
Operasi itu dikoordinasikan
dengan Angkatan Udara
Itu berjalan sangat baik.

819
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:09,608
It's very clean... elegant.

820
01:16:10,817 --> 01:16:15,864
I like operations like that.
They are nice and neat.

821
01:16:36,593 --> 01:16:38,971
For some people,
Yahya's murder Ayyash, </ i>

822
01:16:39,054 --> 01:16:43,308
<i> at the time that seems
relatively free from attack, </ i>

823
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,519
Some people say it's a mistake. </ i>

824
01:16:46,895 --> 01:16:48,522
Sometimes it feels lonely

825
01:16:48,855 --> 01:16:53,026
and you say, "Oh, we disturb the peace."

826
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,039
<i> Two months later, it looks like 
/> the whole country exploded. </ i>

827
01:17:06,123 --> 01:17:09,543
- Yes.
- Don't you see the connection?

828
01:17:09,751 --> 01:17:12,754
Yes, we know for sure,

829
01:17:13,130 --> 01:17:17,843
after Ayyash's murder 
a group crosses the fence

830
01:17:17,926 --> 01:17:23,682
and leaves Gaza to organize
attacks from the West Bank.

831
01:17:23,807 --> 01:17:25,851
Of course I see the connection.

832
01:17:25,976 --> 01:17:28,061
But if we make the equation,

833
01:17:28,145 --> 01:17:31,189
if we kill them,
they will carry out a suicide attack,

834
01:17:31,273 --> 01:17:35,068
If we don't kill them, they won't do it.

835
01:17:35,152 --> 01:17:38,071
The second part of the equation is wrong .

836
01:17:46,913 --> 01:17:48,415
<i> Once we leave Gaza,

837
01:17:48,498 --> 01:17:52,669
we cannot enter the Palestinian territories,

838
01:17:53,378 --> 01:17:58,925
suddenly,
with little power, and come out safely.

839
01:18:01,219 --> 01:18:05,682
<i> How do you surprise a terrorist?
From the air, from a distance. </ I>

840
01:18:05,766 --> 01:18:08,310
He did not know
where the missile came from. </ P>

841
01:18:08,393 --> 01:18:11,271
But to fire missiles from a distance,

842
01:18:11,646 --> 01:18:14,107
you need intelligence that is very right

843
01:18:14,775 --> 01:18:17,778
and not for a split second,
but for the whole operation

844
01:18:42,469 --> 01:18:44,137
What is targeted murder?

845
01:18:44,888 --> 01:18:46,598
Where do we break the chain?

846
01:18:46,681 --> 01:18:49,226
Okay, we will hurt.

847
01:18:49,309 --> 01:18:52,896
If necessary, we will even kill
whoever comes to kill us

848
01:18:54,064 --> 01:18:56,483
<i> What happens to people around
around? </ i>

849
01:18:57,401 --> 01:18:59,528
<i> What happened to people
who made explosives, </ i>

850
01:18:59,611 --> 01:19:02,447
<i> who carried them, who who made the plan, </ i>

851
01:19:02,531 --> 01:19:07,411
<i> who collected intelligence,
and who preached the idea? </ i>

852
01:19:08,787 --> 01:19:09,871
<i> They don't kill </ i>

853
01:19:09,955 --> 01:19:14,000
They preach an ideology that, in the end,

854
01:19:14,209 --> 01:19:17,838
creates jihad and leads /> for the death of Israelis

855
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:30,350
<i> Salah Shehadeh
what we call "hair," </ i>

856
01:19:30,434 --> 01:19:33,812
<i> which governs all terror of Hamas < br /> operations in Gaza are moving. </ i>

857
01:19:34,646 --> 01:19:37,607
<i> The hunt is very difficult, </ i>

858
01:19:37,691 --> 01:19:40,986
<i> with lots of intelligence
the tools invested in it. </ i>

859
01:19:42,028 --> 01:19:45,157
<i> At some stage,
It is clear that he is at home, </ i>

860
01:19:46,741 --> 01:19:48,702
<i> that his daughter is not, </ i i>

861
01:19:49,244 --> 01:19:51,371
<i> and that is only his wife with him. </ i>

862
01:19:51,955 --> 01:19:56,126
We agreed by telephone,

863
01:19:56,209 --> 01:20:01,173
Chief of Staff, I,
Minister of Defense and Prime Minister.

864
01:20:11,766 --> 01:20:14,811
<i> Air Force drop one ton
bomb at home. </ i>

865
01:20:15,687 --> 01:20:18,773
Unfortunately, because
inappropriate intelligence,

866
01:20:19,399 --> 01:20:21,568
innocent people are killed

867
01:20:21,651 --> 01:20:24,237
Nobody knows the final number, 9- 14. </ P>

868
01:20:55,519 --> 01:20:58,813
When you drop a one-ton bomb
in densely populated areas,

869
01:20:58,897 --> 01:21:00,565
as in the Shehadeh incident,

870
01:21:00,649 --> 01:21:02,567
obviously the observer will be hurt...

871
01:21:02,651 --> 01:21:05,278
No, that's not clear.
No. You gather intelligence information. </ P>

872
01:21:05,362 --> 01:21:08,615
Where do people live

873
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:13,870
How much?
Who?
What is the chance?
Where did you shoot? </ P >

874
01:21:29,302 --> 01:21:35,308
Implications of this incident,
in the event of collateral damage,

875
01:21:35,392 --> 01:21:40,522
raises criticism of how
we can drop bombs

876
01:21:40,605 --> 01:21:44,067
in a house in the middle of Gaza .

877
01:21:44,401 --> 01:21:46,611
An American asked me about it.

878
01:21:46,695 --> 01:21:50,031
I said, "We know
your method in Afghanistan

879
01:21:50,115 --> 01:21:53,118
" You bomb a wedding
and 70 people are killed

880
01:21:53,201 --> 01:21:55,328
"and no one knows
if the target is killed."

881
01:21:56,663 --> 01:22:04,087
Excessive
This is security stupidity! <br / > This is military stupidity. </ P>

882
01:22:04,170 --> 01:22:05,755
I don't know what to call it,

883
01:22:06,089 --> 01:22:12,762
But it doesn't make sense to kill
the most important person in Gaza

884
01:22:12,846 --> 01:22:15,974
You have to drop a ton of bombs
at home

885
01:22:16,182 --> 01:22:19,686
surrounded by houses
with family and children.

886
01:22:20,020 --> 01:22:22,022
That can't be moral,

887
01:22:22,897 --> 01:22:24,858
>

888
01:22:26,401 --> 01:22:28,612
is not militarily effective

889
01:22:29,154 --> 01:22:31,197
and certainly not humane.

890
01:22:31,406 --> 01:22:35,785
Is that
That's not it.

891
01:22:35,869 --> 01:22:43,168
There is a concept, "crime boredom."

892
01:22:43,251 --> 01:22:47,714
When you start doing it en masse,
200, 300 people die

893
01:22:47,964 --> 01:22:52,552
because of his idea
of "targeted murder." </ p >

894
01:22:52,886 --> 01:22:55,889
Suddenly the process becomes
some sort of conveyor belt

895
01:22:59,225 --> 01:23:05,148
You ask yourself
where less and less where to stop

896
01:23:05,231 --> 01:23:09,319
September 6, 2003, is for me,
My toughest day as the head of the Shin Bet.

897
01:23:09,527 --> 01:23:16,201
On that day the State of Israel

898
01:23:16,284 --> 01:23:17,410
had the opportunity to get rid of the biggest
terrorist group

899
01:23:19,245 --> 01:23:22,332
<i> We have very reliable and precise intelligence </ i>

900
01:23:22,582 --> 01:23:25,710
<i> Hamas leaders
will hold a meeting </ i>

901
01:23:25,794 --> 01:23:28,672
<i > as they have never had before,
and probably never will. </ i>

902
01:23:28,755 --> 01:23:31,925
I think there are
ten or twelve people there,

903
01:23:32,300 --> 01:23:39,933
but créme de la créme,
merde <i> de </ i> He merde.

904
01:23:40,016 --> 01:23:41,685
Really... everyone is there.

905
01:23:47,732 --> 01:23:52,445
<i> Suddenly I was told,
"Listen, the army is opposed. < / I>

906
01:23:52,529 --> 01:23:55,949
"A one-ton bomb
will cause collateral damage. "

907
01:23:56,408 --> 01:24:00,745
There is a bitter argument.
Finally, after a few hours,

908
01:24:00,954 --> 01:24:04,290
the Prime Minister believes
to cancel the attack

909
01:24:05,792 --> 01:24:11,214
<i> I call the Prime Minister
to convince him that it doesn't make sense. </ I>

910
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,467
The compromise is a quarter of a ton.

911
01:24:14,551 --> 01:24:18,763
It is based on probability.

912
01:24:19,055 --> 01:24:20,640
<i> The house has two stories. </ i>

913
01:24:20,724 --> 01:24:25,645
<i> If they are on the second floor,
it will kill them. </ i>

914
01:24:25,729 --> 01:24:30,108
<i> If they are on the first floor,
it won't kill anyone. </ i>

915
01:24:34,612 --> 01:24:35,947
<i> Bombs dropped. </ i>

916
01:24:36,364 --> 01:24:38,158
<i> This is a direct hit. </ i>

917
01:24:38,867 --> 01:24:40,577
<i> The second story is destroyed </ i>

918
01:24:40,660 --> 01:24:45,457
and the whole "Team Dream" flees
home on their own two feet.

919
01:24:45,749 --> 01:24:48,460
>

920
01:25:06,561 --> 01:25:11,816
Some people insist they see
despicable Sheikh Yassin running.

921
01:25:12,567 --> 01:25:16,529
If there are times when you realize,

922
01:25:16,821 --> 01:25:23,286
It's not that we missed,
but we were wrong ,

923
01:25:23,495 --> 01:25:25,997
because of what happened
with Salah Shehadeh,

924
01:25:28,500 --> 01:25:32,545
It takes a long time to get there
some people there,

925
01:25:32,796 --> 01:25:34,881
like Sheikh Yassin and others.

926
01:25:35,673 --> 01:25:38,551
God knows how much
damage they cause

927
01:25:38,635 --> 01:25:42,055
until we succeed
to take what we do.

928
01:25:42,597 --> 01:25:46,142
Some of them have never been taken out
and are still active today.

929
01:25:58,446 --> 01:26:03,535
I have often said,
"Terror is a barrel with a base."

930
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:07,288
You can reach the bottom.
You don't need to reach the last terrorist.

931
01:26:07,372 --> 01:26:11,251
You reach critical mass,
and it's quite deterrent. </ P>

932
01:26:19,384 --> 01:26:24,138
<i> I can prove to you that Hamas
doesn't become more moderate </ i>

933
01:26:24,222 --> 01:26:26,057
<i> after Sheikh Yassin was eliminated. </ i>

934
01:26:29,269 --> 01:26:30,937
<i> I can prove to you </ i>

935
01:26:31,688 --> 01:26:35,275
that when we kill Abbas Musawi
and Nasrallah takes over instead,

936
01:26:35,608 --> 01:26:38,862
the security situation in Israel
doesn't really improve

937
01:26:38,987 --> 01:26:44,409
That's why , when we deal, not with
who comes to kill us immediately,

938
01:26:44,701 --> 01:26:46,327
But with the person who preaches,

939
01:26:46,953 --> 01:26:52,750
we go to a place, which one
prohibited by international law

940
01:26:53,042 --> 01:26:58,047
and basicjustice great pose
question marks about ethics,

941
01:26:58,464 --> 01:27:00,592
but I speak with you
as the head of the Shin Bet.

942
01:27:00,675 --> 01:27:01,634
This is not effective. </ P>

943
01:27:34,083 --> 01:27:35,668
<i> I was born near the Sea of Galilee. </ i>

944
01:27:36,336 --> 01:27:38,087
<i> I grew up in a children's home, </ i>

945
01:27:38,171 --> 01:27:42,175
<i> like all children who stayed
at the kibbutzim doing at that time . </ i>

946
01:27:43,635 --> 01:27:45,094
<i> I have a beautiful childhood. </ i>

947
01:27:47,388 --> 01:27:52,185
I know that there is a house in Jerusalem

948
01:27:52,268 --> 01:27:54,979
and on the second floor
There is a long corridor.

949
01:27:55,396 --> 01:27:57,398
At the end of the corridor, there is a door

950
01:27:57,482 --> 01:28:02,278
and behind the door is a wise person
who made the decision

951
01:28:02,362 --> 01:28:03,529
According to him.

952
01:28:04,864 --> 01:28:06,699
<i> My parents called him
"Old Man," Ben- Gurlon. </ i>

953
01:28:09,077 --> 01:28:12,830
<i> Years later, after the Yom Kippur War, </ i>

954
01:28:13,456 --> 01:28:17,001
I went to Jerusalem,
and I went to the building same.

955
01:28:17,210 --> 01:28:19,253
I was on the second floor

956
01:28:19,337 --> 01:28:21,506
and did not find the door
at the end of the corridor

957
01:28:21,589 --> 01:28:25,301
and behind the missing door,
Nobody thinks of me. </ P>

958
01:28:50,284 --> 01:28:56,833
You see that void, that lack of initiative,

959
01:28:56,916 --> 01:29:00,712
willingness to let something
take their course,

960
01:29:01,129 --> 01:29:05,508
without you stepping enter and say,

961
01:29:05,591 --> 01:29:08,219
"This is so far,
in this or that direction."

962
01:29:09,470 --> 01:29:12,682
You cannot reconcile
using military means

963
01:29:13,433 --> 01:29:18,730
Peace must be built <br / > in the belief system,

964
01:29:19,147 --> 01:29:21,357
after, or without using military methods

965
01:29:21,441 --> 01:29:23,735
In the end you have to build it
on the trust system.

966
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:28,448
As someone who knows
Palestinians are good, I claim that

967
01:29:29,574 --> 01:29:31,284
There should be no problem

968
01:29:31,367 --> 01:29:33,870
building a trust system with them, the original

969
01:29:34,912 --> 01:29:38,750
For Israel, this is too luxurious
not to talk to our enemies. </ P>

970
01:29:39,292 --> 01:29:43,046
As long as they decide not to do it
speak to us, I have no choice,

971
01:29:43,129 --> 01:29:46,382
but when we decide not to speak,
I think we make a mistake.

972
01:29:46,883 --> 01:29:48,968
Do you support talking to someone?

973
01:29:49,052 --> 01:29:54,724
Whoever we can, even if they answer harshly,
I continue to

974
01:29:57,310 --> 01:29:59,312
There is no alternative.

975
01:29:59,395 --> 01:30:01,397
- For what?
- to speak

976
01:30:04,317 --> 01:30:06,611
- Hamas?
Islamic Jihad...
- including everyone

977
01:30:06,694 --> 01:30:09,322
I told everyone, so that included... </ p >

978
01:30:09,405 --> 01:30:16,079
Even Ahmadinejad, whoever.
I'm always for that

979
01:30:16,287 --> 01:30:20,625
This is the nature of professional intelligence
operation to talk to everyone.

980
01:30:21,167 --> 01:30:22,960
Things become clarification.

981
01:30:24,212 --> 01:30:28,424
I saw you didn't eat a glass.
He saw me not drinking gas.

982
01:30:28,508 --> 01:30:30,176
That's how it is.

983
01:30:32,136 --> 01:30:33,721
<i> I want to read something the </ i>

984
01:30:33,805 --> 01:30:38,351
<i> Professor Leibowitz,
an occupying critic, </ i>

985
01:30:38,434 --> 01:30:41,187
<i> wrote a year later
Six Day War , in 1968. </ i>

986
01:30:42,730 --> 01:30:46,109
<i> "A state decision on a hostility
a population of one million foreigners </ i>

987
01:30:46,192 --> 01:30:48,069
" will certainly be
a Shin Bet country,

988
01:30:48,152 --> 01:30:50,988
"With all this implies education,

989
01:30:51,072 --> 01:30:52,990
" freedom of speech and thought

990
01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:54,700
"and democracy.

991
01:30:55,284 --> 01:30:57,787
<i>" Corruption is found < > in every colonial regime </ i>

992
01:30:57,870 --> 01:30:59,664
<i> "will surrender to the State of Israel. </ i>

993
01:31:00,164 --> 01:31:03,835
<i>" The government must do it
suppress Arab rebellion on one side </ i>

994
01:31:03,918 --> 01:31:07,880
<i> "and get Quislings,
or Arab traitors, on the other side." </ i>

995
01:31:09,257 --> 01:31:13,302
What do you think About this prediction,
remember where Israel is now? </ P>

996
01:31:14,220 --> 01:31:16,472
I agree with every word he writes. </ P>

997
01:31:19,016 --> 01:31:22,311
- Explain.
- There is no need explained.

998
01:31:22,395 --> 01:31:25,731
Every word he says is engraved on a stone.

999
01:31:25,940 --> 01:31:29,068
Is that what the Israeli people are like now?

1000
01:31:29,152 --> 01:31:33,447
I think it's an accurate depiction
of the reality that appears

1001
01:31:33,531 --> 01:31:35,908
from 1968 until now.

1002
01:31:36,367 --> 01:31:39,203
I would not say that
was a Shin Bet country,

1003
01:31:39,287 --> 01:31:45,668
But no doubt, our current flow is
the situation with Palestine

1004
01:31:45,877 --> 01:31:49,338
undoubtedly created
a very similar reality

1005
01:31:49,422 --> 01:31:53,426
for what Leibowitz wrote.

1006
01:33:16,926 --> 01:33:19,428
<i> You knocked on the door 
in the middle of the night </ i>

1007
01:33:19,512 --> 01:33:23,015
<i> and wake up the sleeping family,
all huddled in bed. </ i>

1008
01:33:25,184 --> 01:33:27,019
<i> mother's tears </ i>

1009
01:33:27,103 --> 01:33:32,775
<i> or last goodbye the suspect
you took from his family's arms... </ i> i>

1010
01:33:34,568 --> 01:33:38,322
It's not easy.
You see families suffering,

1011
01:33:38,406 --> 01:33:42,285
difficult times between
parents and children,

1012
01:33:42,368 --> 01:33:43,953
between children and parents

1013
01:33:46,122 --> 01:33:51,210
These times are over
engraved deep inside you

1014
01:33:51,377 --> 01:33:56,340
and when you retire
you become a few left-leaning people.

1015
01:34:20,489 --> 01:34:26,162
We make life
unbearable millions,

1016
01:34:26,245 --> 01:34:28,539
into prolonged human suffering.

1017
01:34:29,165 --> 01:34:33,419
We leave the decision about what
is right

1018
01:34:33,753 --> 01:34:37,715
to a soldier who had been spent
a few months in the army.

1019
01:34:38,257 --> 01:34:42,720
A year earlier he finished
high school, at best.

1020
01:34:42,928 --> 01:34:45,890
He stood there facing
a father holds his baby girl

1021
01:34:45,973 --> 01:34:51,687
decides, whether he looks for it or not,
does he let her pass or not

1022
01:34:53,356 --> 01:34:55,066
It kills me

1023
01:34:56,359 --> 01:35:00,029
The future is bleak.
This is dark, the future.

1024
01:35:00,112 --> 01:35:05,951
Where is the direction?
For a change
in the character of the person

1025
01:35:06,035 --> 01:35:13,250
because if You put most of
our young people in the army,

1026
01:35:13,876 --> 01:35:18,798
they will see a paradox. </ P>

1027
01:35:18,881 --> 01:35:24,845
They will see that it is trying
to become a people's army,

1028
01:35:24,929 --> 01:35:29,100
like the Nahal unit,
involved in building the country.

1029
01:35:29,183 --> 01:35:32,061
Besides,
This is a brutal occupying power,

1030
01:35:32,144 --> 01:35:35,981
is similar to Germany in World War II. </ P>

1031
01:35:36,899 --> 01:35:39,360
Similar, not identical. </ P>

1032
01:35:40,569 --> 01:35:44,073
And I'm not talking about
their behavior towards Jews

1033
01:35:44,156 --> 01:35:48,244
That's amazing,
With its own characteristics.

1034
01:35:48,327 --> 01:35:53,749
I mean how they act
Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands...

1035
01:35:55,626 --> 01:35:57,670
For all of them... Czech.

1036
01:35:59,004 --> 01:36:05,177
This is a very negative trait
that we get,

1037
01:36:05,845 --> 01:36:11,851
to be... I'm afraid to say it, so I won't.

1038
01:36:12,810 --> 01:36:18,357
We have become cruel,

1039
01:36:18,983 --> 01:36:20,734
for ourselves too,

1040
01:36:20,818 --> 01:36:25,448
but especially for the occupied population,

1041
01:36:28,993 --> 01:36:32,830
uses the reason for the war on terror.

1042
01:36:33,164 --> 01:36:36,959
Clausewitz, who wise
Even though he is not Jewish,

1043
01:36:37,126 --> 01:36:40,337
or at least we have not yet
found Jewish roots,

1044
01:36:42,214 --> 01:36:44,216
said almost 200 years ago...

1045
01:36:44,717 --> 01:36:48,888
I translate,
But the essence of what he says is,

1046
01:36:50,222 --> 01:36:55,352
"Victory is only creation
a better political reality."

1047
01:36:55,895 --> 01:36:56,854
victory.

1048
01:36:56,937 --> 01:37:01,901
Victory does not dictate it
we must conquer Gaza

1049
01:37:02,151 --> 01:37:05,070
or Ramallah or Nablus or Hebron.

1050
01:37:05,738 --> 01:37:10,242
I think my son, who was in charge of
for three years in the paratroopers,

1051
01:37:10,868 --> 01:37:15,581
participated in the conquest of
from Nablus at least two or three times.

1052
01:37:17,583 --> 01:37:21,337
Does that bring us victory?
I don't think so. </ P>

1053
01:37:22,588 --> 01:37:28,636
Does it create a better political reality? </ P>

1054
01:37:30,221 --> 01:37:34,725
The Israeli tragedy
public security debate </ p >

1055
01:37:34,808 --> 01:37:40,231
is that we don't realize that
we face an annoying situation

1056
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:42,942
where we win every battle,

1057
01:37:43,150 --> 01:37:45,110
but we lose the war.