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This has never been news that
the newspaper business is in big trouble.
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Reporter: "Rocky Mountain News,"
existing
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For 150 years, is publishing
the latest edition today.
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A big newspaper is dead.
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Denver can't support
two more newspapers
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Reporter # 2: This is a bleak race
to see who comes first.
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"Philadelphia Daily News"
and Minneapolis "Star Tribune"
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both are in bankruptcy.
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"Boston Globe" and "San Francisco
Chronicle" has lost...
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"Seattle Post-Intelligencer,"
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the biggest daily newspaper
hasn't been out of business...
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Tribune company,
owner of "LA Times"
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and "Chicago Tribune"
filed for bankruptcy...
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And the Gannett Company
faltered...
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All the news is right
to print for 88 years...
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After 146 years, the print edition
Now is a thing of the past...
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The "Gray Lady" suffers...
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Women's shares: "New York Times"
not active more than 75%...
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Man: "The New York Times"... "The New
York Times," are you kidding me?
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Obituary column < br /> full today
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from the death notice
American daily newspaper
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So there is a death watch
on "The New York Times"
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as long as I cover the media.
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People are rather fascinated
with what happened
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to be the death of
from this great institution.
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And that hasn't come yet,
and it's not here yet,
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but it's not reduced
Certainty of people that it will come.
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Okay, I see this as a big story.
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I might be able to get a significant space.
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What do you think is the story?
is that what I have to say?
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Carr:
Lately when I finished an interview,
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most subjects have
their own questions:
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What will happen
in "The New York Times"?
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Even ordinary followers
from the newspaper industry
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can babble
Judgment tick gecko
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Bruce Headlam.
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Headlam:
As much as we want to flatter ourselves yourself,
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It's still like this
old school business
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I'm a Media Editor.
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You know, trees are still cut
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and the newspaper is still delivered
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I just think it helps us
sort of be in the mix.
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- Yeah yeah
- Good.
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Carr: No need to worry, < /> recommend new media prophets.
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The end of "The New York Times"
will not be as big as the agreement,
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they say, because of tweets,
blogs and news aggregators
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can make new apparatus
from accountability
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Say it again?
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But there are some
stories outside the database
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Sometimes people have
to make a call,
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hit the street and walk past it
conventional wisdom.
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Richard Pérez-Peña: Alright, believe me,
if your number is better
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than anyone else
I will write it
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I'm just always skeptical
when everyone tells me
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that number doesn't mean
what they mean, you know
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Because everyone gave me that line,
so I didn't receive it from anyone.
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The collapse of the ad
happened faster
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than anticipated.
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This year in 2009,
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already around 30%
decrease in advertising revenue,
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above about 17%
last year's decline,
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and no one knows
where it ended
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Maybe it's something
very permanent has changed
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Two things have happened to "The Times,"
I think in a way, the most important thing.
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First thing what happened,
Famous, is the advertising market
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has been reversed.
So at the same time
time as income takes a hit,
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arrives- arrived suddenly
has changed from
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something is done by a special class
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to be something that is literally
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every citizen connected
has access to
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So that authoritative tone with him
"The Times" always talks
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now is one of the many
votes on the market
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And that reduction
in advertising revenue
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coupled with competition for
attention... both at the same time...
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has changed this
from the transition to a revolution.
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So it's about WikiLeaks,
which is a website that calls itself
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an intelligence agency for the people.
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And yesterday they posted
the video of this US attack,
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an air strike, where there
12 people were killed.
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The government claims
at this time is a rebel,
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But it turns out there are
two Reuters employees
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and then some
other unknown people
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WikiLeaks somehow
from anonymous sources
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get the video
and put it on YouTube.
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It feels like maybe
front page story for Bruce and me
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So now basically the task < br /> for the rest of the day
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is to save the story
interesting to the editors
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We try to do the front page
the story of what this means,
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and what this means for journalism.
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Obviously this is good for reporters
several ways, because it's out there,
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but that's how
Two world collisions,
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like this closed
world old expertise
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and
classification and information and privacy
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and just this new world
type wants to solve everything open.
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You know, we see it for ourselves.
We are a perfect example
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of the type of culture that,
you know, is experiencing
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what we are doing is really torn open.
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So this... hey, did you send it?
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Alright, I understand.
Thank you.
See you
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This... this is watching
people get killed
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with very graphic way
in war
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and hear the reaction
from the army.
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Man # 3: Roger.
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Man # 3 : Roger.
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Stelter:
I didn't see that... the van was upside down.
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I didn't pay attention last time.
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Oh my, how terrible the story.
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Here's the "nut graph":
"Iraqi video release
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is a clear buildup of
on the site,
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which aims to take advantage of
from global internet reach
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and to bring it to hidden light < br /> information about the government
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and multinational companies. "
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They don't have it
to lower this on the front steps
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from NBC News
or" The New York Times. "
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They just dropped it
on Youtube
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and waited for
for others to find it.
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Headlam:
Even with "The Pentagon Papers,"
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they must be delivered by hand
and they can stop the pressure.
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This, they only
took it and they only
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put it on up there
where everyone can see it.
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- Nixon: Hello
- Haig: yes sir
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Nixon: Hi, Al,
something new before you today?
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Haig: very important...
the exhibition "New York Times" this damn
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the most high
war documents
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Nixon: Alright, damn it,
I won't have it.
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Haig: I mean,
can "The Times" be sued?
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Nixon: Look, as far as "The Times"
In question, hell, they are our enemies.
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I think we are just oughta
do and still, no
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from "The New York Times"
to talk to.
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Alex Jones: his decision
to published "The Pentagon Papers"
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was when
when the American news media
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stood up and said,
"We are independent of the presidency
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and we will do what
we think is the right thing to do. "
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Woman: Do you feel, Mr. Sulzberger,
that national security
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is endangered,
as charged by the administration?
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Of course not.
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This paper, I think
like our editorial word this morning,
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is really part of...
part of history
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that has to be
available
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much longer ago,
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and I just don't feel
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there is a violation < br /> national security
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in the sense we
give secrets to the enemy.
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Reporter: Julian Assange,
editor for WikiLeaks,
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deny that the site
has put soldiers in danger
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Reporter # 2: Assange is clear
an advocate and war opponent.
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Assange made a name
for himself as a hacker,
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and captured
for computer crime
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before starting
the whistleblower site .
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Julian Assange:
We want to see the revelation
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that this material is
investigated by the government,
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and new policies
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is applied as a result,
if it is not prosecution
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because I have not heard
returned from him at all
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Assange: Hello?
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Hi, this is Brian Stelter
calling from "The Times."
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There is a traditional definition of
from journalism that is objective,
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really legal, never break up
law to get content
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Do you see yourself as trying
to reach that definition,
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atau definisi Anda
Jurnalisme lebih luas?
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And tell me what is the purpose.
Tell me what the goal is.
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I don't know what
is he doing good or bad
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I mean, clear, you know,
in open society,
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you know, information is,
you know, it's important.
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It's important for people to make decisions.
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On the other hand, there are many things
that can get people in trouble.
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The video was edited by
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It doesn't show the full story.
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It was presented as journalism,
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But already, you know, an agenda.
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It's a "reporter" a word
you attach to yourself ?
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Good.
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The video has been
edited so far
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that you really have
It's hard to know the larger context.
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Yes, there is.
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- So they have both, don't they?
- They do both, it's true.
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But the unedited version
clearly shows a man carrying an RPG.
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They switched from being
a clearinghouse to become advocacy.
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This is a big decision they made
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to suddenly edit 30 minutes.
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- Have you written separately about this?
- We, us.
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I have never heard of it
WikiLeaks before then.
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Dan I think maybe
many of my colleagues are also not.
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That's the time
This is rather exploding
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into the broader public view.
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- Hey hey, did you send it?
- Stelter: Oh, I see...
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- ada catatan di sana
- Apakah kamu?
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I didn't see it from you.
I'll open it.
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He's lying.
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Oh, he didn't send it.
I know he didn't send it.
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Headlam:
There are two A1 meetings.
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There are 10:30 where
we discuss the story today,
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what we will offer
And there is 4:00,
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when the top editor
make that decision
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That's all the head of the table,
or at least someone from each table.
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You make your offer
and they ask questions.
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Then they decide what they want to use
in the paper the next day.
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You know,
It's a kind of competition.
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You go in there and many
people want stories
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dan kita berjuang untuk naik A1.
Tapi ini sangat konstruktif berkelahi.
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Man: Alright, friend,
We are still waiting for some people
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but I think we can start.
First, I think... Bruce.
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This is our follow up on the video
released yesterday on the web.
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We see WikiLeaks, which
is the organization that leaked it.
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I think that very
interesting moments for them
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They have gained a lot of fame
because of Baghdad videos.
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As indicated by lan, they have installed it
Raw recordings , which is 38 minutes.
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They have also installed the edited version,
That's what many people see,
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and there are already people
in the army and on the spot others say
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that this really distorts
what really happened there
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And when they go to get a corpse,
they find a man with an RPG,
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So it's like what Bruce said,
This becomes an advocacy.
Now ..
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Fisher: There, yeah.
I just talked to...
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They might be in the same place.
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- Fisher: forgive me
- They might belong
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in one type
coherent overall, right?
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- Fisher: Sure
- Headlam: Yeah, right also.
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Chira: In the Page-One meeting,
the most senior editor
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see the summary
from the story itself
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and say ,
"Have you properly frame it?
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Does this seem loaded?
Do you have
enough facts to support this?"
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Dan finally people
present their arguments
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pros and cons and building sides.
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Oh, the West Bank story.
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Hmmm.
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I don't think the whole country
is interested on Sharpe James.
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- No.
- Swing Sharpe and West Bank?
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The West Bank will have
big readers here
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- Yeah, I won't swing it.
- Swing it with WikiLeaks?
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- Uh huh.
- Okay, swing it with WikiLeaks.
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Let's leave story in the West Bank.
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It will swing, which means
in New York it will go inside,
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but for the whole country
it will go in front page
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You know, you saw
for now where
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Daniel Ellsberg: When I gave
"The Pentagon Papers" became "The Times,"
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there is a 22 month period
from the start of my copy
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Is the internet at that time,
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I will buy the scanner,
send it to all blogs.
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but at least it definitely comes out.
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don't need us
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Daniel Ellsberg does it.
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The old newspaper model is dying.
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Period.
Completed
News isn't dying
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Much cheaper news
to produce now
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because we can gather
and share in new ways,
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Something extraordinary < br /> new ways to do news
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There are no questions
there is still a lot of
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information out there,
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And if you think about the history of
from these institutions...
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Watergate, Abu Ghraib,
the Walter Reed scandal...
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are these institutions
/> bring to bring newsroom
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experienced reporters
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And I think we are at a dangerous moment
in American journalism
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The question is whether
it's too late for some institutions
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to take advantage of that change
and change as much as they have to.
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So David Carr came,
the most humane,
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spoke about how the media operates
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in "The New York Times."
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Welcome David Carr!
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You are a...
You are former addict addict
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and you're a reporter
for "The New York Times."
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Which of these two do you think?
more damaging to the community?
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Carr: If you write about
media long enough,
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finally you will type
your way to your own doorstep
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I arrived at "The New York Times" late
in my professional life,
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and I have immigrants
love that place
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Chips implanted
inside me when I arrived...
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let's just say "New York
Times" exceptionalism...
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led me to conclude that
of course we will survive.
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You are very good
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Then again, after suffering from
drug addiction in the 20s and 30s,
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landing in prison
for possession of cocaine,
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raising two children
as single parents,
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and finally ending
at "The New York Times, "
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I know how it feels
to get out of the other side
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if there is a possibility
stacked against you
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Carr:
Hi, I'm looking for Alex.
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Receptionist: Sure, you can
Go sit on the couch.
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- Huh?
Good.
- He'll be back soon
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- Hi.
- Man: This is David Carr
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- from "The New York Times."
- Nice to meet you.
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Don't keep saying
I come from "The New York Times."
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That sucks.
I just... it's me.
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- Nice to meet you finally.
- I'm David
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- Nice to meet you
- Hi, nice to meet you
How are you?
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We want to get everyone together
to update the entire company.
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The media landscape changed
in a very dramatic way
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in just six months.
Print as an industry
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and a media continues
to swoop
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Publications like "Newsweek"
and "Times" will drop quickly.
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We want to say that
we are perfectly positioned
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Shane Smith: No only that
the biggest type of media company
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willing to come talk to us,
but the biggest brand
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want to come talk to us
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and give us money.
And what should we do
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do we have to find out
how we can be more evil and faster
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and more dynamic than < everyone is out there
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We don't want to get hot and die.
We want to get hot and get hotter.
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You ask the question is there
/> that business model, like...
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Only for a moment.
I want you to feel me in this matter:
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Saya tidak melakukan potret korporat.
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What happened to that?
You do business with CNN?
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We know how to speak
for young people
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They listen to us.
We are a trusted brand for them.
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I mean, the first thing
CNN said when they walked
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into the meeting
Last summer,
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"49-year-old kids are watching
CNN now,
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and we are screwed
Please help us grow
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new and young audiences
for the sake of the future?
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They like the way you tell stories.
They like your host.
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They like where you go. "That's right
what what they're looking for.
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Reporter:
What kind of war is this, guerrilla?
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I don't know Liberia.
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I don't know what happened .
I don't pretend.
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I didn't go there to get the news,
reported on certain news.
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I'm not there to be solved
world problems.
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I just an ordinary person.
I don't fly to something.
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I don't have security.
I don't have anything
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And I've been to several places
just fucking & apos; crazy
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If you are a CNN viewer
and you go, "Hmm,
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I see human poop
on the beach."
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I have to tell you one thing:
I'm an ordinary person
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and I go to these places and I go,
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"Alright, everyone talking to me
about cannibalism right? "
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Everyone talks to me about cannibalism.
Now I start
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a lot of nonsense to say that word
"cannibalism" and so on... anything.
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Everyone talks to me
about cannibalism
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- So you will kill the child?
- Yes.
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- And then drink the blood?
- Yeah.
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That's crazy.
So actually... our audience goes,
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"That's crazy.
Like, that crazy. "
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And" The New York Times "
meanwhile writing about surfing.
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I sat there," Do you know what?
I won't talk about surfing.
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I will talk about cannibalism
because that makes me fucks. "
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Wait a minute.
Time is up.
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Before you go there,
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we have a reporter there
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reporting genocide
after genocide
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And only because you put
with a fucking safari helmet
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and go and see
in some shit it doesn't give you
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the right to insult what we do.
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- So go ahead, continue.
- sorry
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I'm just saying that
I'm not a journalist.
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- I'm not there to report
- it's clear
Continue.
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I'm sorry.
I'm only talking about, you know,
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see what I see there
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What's wrong?
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Dress like a great Page-One guy.
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- How are you?
- Wow, what day
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Arango: "The Times"
where is that I want to work
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from when I was very young
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I always had ideas about this place
like this kind of magisterial place
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where things big happened
and finished.
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And there was this idea
in the past where
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got to "The Times"
almost like getting a tenure.
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And you can do it
this career is 30 years long, 40 years
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where you go cover politics,
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You cover some foreigners,
You might write a book.
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And that's not the path now.
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Women and men,
we are now on West 43rd Street
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in Midtown Manhattan at
headquarters "The New York Times."
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They are busy preparing this minute -siap.
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This is a honeycomb, head office,
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city space
Here is a landslide
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shaped
to the newspaper Monday morning.
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Well, here it is, boy.
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Cooke: That is Turner Catledge.
He is the managing editor.
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And I heard from the circulation
department a few minutes ago
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that we have the biggest
distribution of newspapers today
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in history
from "The New York Times."
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Hard news is the expression < br /> "The Times" is almost owned.
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NBC, CBS, ABC... the first thing
they will do in the morning,
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the directors of their program will do it
take a look at "The New York Times."
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If "The New York Times" has a story
about this and that in a distant place,
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network will think, "Ah, now we want to
send Walter Cronkite there."
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David Remnick: When I grew up
I read "The Times" every morning.
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And then I read this book
Gay Talese, "Kingdom and Strength,"
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and went inside
this imperial institution
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And he only,
you know, makes me happy.
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I mean there is
I have nothing more to do.
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"& apos; Time & apos;
is a very human institution,
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run by figures disabled, men who see
things like they can see them.
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00:23:03,507 --> 00:23:07,257
But it's just as true that & apos; The Times & apos;
almost always trying to be fair.
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And every day, except labor
strikes or hydrogen bombs,
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it will appear
in 11,464 cities throughout Indonesia
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and in all world capitals
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50 copies will enter
to the White House,
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39 copies to Moscow,
some smuggled to Beijing,
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00:23:22,150 --> 00:23:25,570
and editions thick week
to the foreign minister in Taiwan,
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because he needs & apos; The Times & apos;
as necessary evidence
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00:23:28,824 --> 00:23:30,954
of the existence of the earth,
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a pressure barometer,
a sanity assessor.
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If the world is true
It still exists, he knows
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it will be recorded
every days at & apos; The Times. & apos;
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00:23:42,879 --> 00:23:46,299
Actually there is something called
Effect "The New York Times".
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00:23:46,466 --> 00:23:50,296
In the world of analog newspapers,
there are observable effects;
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00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:52,890
If on the first day,
"The New York Times" ran a piece
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on certain stories,
political or business problems,
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00:23:55,934 --> 00:23:58,064
on the second day
second-rate newspapers
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all will be basically
imitating the story
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Just like anything else
in newspaper business,
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00:24:02,858 --> 00:24:05,398
We didn't realize it
"The New York Times" effect
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00:24:05,569 --> 00:24:07,859
actually depends on
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00:24:08,029 --> 00:24:10,529
analog structure
mail distribution news
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"The Times" still, I am thinking of a
Extraordinary degree, indeed setting the agenda.
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00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:17,583
I mean, you really can track
almost all the big stories end - recently
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00:24:17,747 --> 00:24:20,997
returned to something
originally appeared in "The Times."
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00:24:21,168 --> 00:24:24,338
The problem is
is when it's reached
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00:24:24,504 --> 00:24:25,964
community,
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00:24:26,131 --> 00:24:28,761
they might not even know
it came from "The Times."
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00:24:31,219 --> 00:24:33,509
Okay, so at 6:00 a.m.
release out.
Is that true?
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00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,640
Arango:
So for two, three months now...
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00:24:35,807 --> 00:24:37,847
I think the end of September
the story is leaked
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that Comcast will buy NBC.
422
00:24:39,686 --> 00:24:41,976
It looks like finally
it will be announced
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00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:44,767
So the challenge is this part
I work with Sorkin,
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what we call
tick-tock, which one is
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00:24:46,943 --> 00:24:51,163
fun details behind the scenes
how the deal came together.
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00:24:51,323 --> 00:24:54,243
So I'm just waiting for Andrew
to come so we can handle it,
427
00:24:54,409 --> 00:24:56,659
and we will get it
in tomorrow's newspaper
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00:24:56,828 --> 00:24:58,578
By the way,
how come the tick-tock came?
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00:24:58,747 --> 00:25:00,917
Sorkin, I'm just waiting for
for him.
He's like...
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00:25:01,082 --> 00:25:02,422
- Did he file anything?
- No.
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00:25:02,584 --> 00:25:04,294
So that means
he hasn't written a word.
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00:25:04,461 --> 00:25:05,881
I don't know
Like 11.00, he said,
433
00:25:06,046 --> 00:25:07,796
"I'll have something
for you in an hour."
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00:25:07,964 --> 00:25:09,844
So now I will see
like a fool if I don't hit it.
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00:25:10,008 --> 00:25:11,428
Because of our agreement
he will write what he has
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and I will write it down.
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00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:17,006
Do you want me to go to him
and say Bruce needs to talk?
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00:25:17,182 --> 00:25:20,312
- Just say Bruce needs it in 15 minutes.
- Fine.
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00:25:20,477 --> 00:25:22,977
Arango : It's reshaping
from the media industry.
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Comcast, which
is the biggest cable company,
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they see the future
and they see what is happening in the media,
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00:25:28,068 --> 00:25:30,648
and they are worried if young
people watch TV online,
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will they need to continue paying
their cable bill forever on the road?
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00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:36,660
So they feel like, if they can have
as many television shows
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and films,
they can play a bigger role
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In the future,
whatever the future is
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I want to talk to you.
448
00:25:47,170 --> 00:25:48,750
Can I wait
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00:25:48,922 --> 00:25:52,222
You will appear?
He will come.
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00:25:54,886 --> 00:25:57,256
Alright, here's the lede.
"Secret meeting"...
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secret... < br /> "Secret meetings held
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1:00 PM the second week of July
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in a condominium out-of-the-way
along the ninth hole
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from the golf course
in Sun Valley, Idaho.
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Jeffrey Lmmelt gets
to the condo first,
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trying desperately to avoid
seen by Jeff Zucker,
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NBC Universal's chief executive
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who mingled with other executives
in front of the duck pond
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just a few hundred meters away
and don't know what's going on. "
460
00:26:21,913 --> 00:26:26,003
Alright, here's the story.
I called GE now.
461
00:26:26,167 --> 00:26:28,247
- Fine.
- So I hope you can like...
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00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:30,550
- Sort it might tie it together.
... tie it together.
463
00:26:30,714 --> 00:26:33,384
Because basically
just all these little weird stories.
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And I tried tie it
and leave small places to...
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- Then how about...
- This works for Comcast
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if it becomes valuable < br /> lots of money in the future
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- Arango: alright
- Sorkin: That's basically the concept.
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Alright.
How many words do you < br /> do we think we have this?
It's very long.
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- Do you think you can do it in 1500?
- Arango: yes
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- Do that looks good?
Are you happy?
- Arango: yes
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I mean some of these things might be
Too many details, by the way.
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- I go a little to the sea.
- Yes no, I tighten it.
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- He said we have 1500 words.
- It is like 1500 words now.
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00:27:01,703 --> 00:27:03,293
No, no, he said
we can have 1500
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I will check and tell you
if it's different
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I have to make sure
we got a place
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00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:09,710
- Headlam: Sorkin have seen it?
- Arango : Sorkin just emailed me
478
00:27:09,878 --> 00:27:12,838
and the word file is far away,
but said don't put it on the web yet,
479
00:27:13,006 --> 00:27:15,966
because he still needs
to confirm something
480
00:27:16,134 --> 00:27:18,594
Arango: Once we can
bare it down and tighten it,
481
00:27:18,762 --> 00:27:20,602
I think it reads well.
He tries to tell a story
482
00:27:20,764 --> 00:27:22,224
it's not stuck
483
00:27:22,390 --> 00:27:24,600
in financial
and the amount is.
484
00:27:37,447 --> 00:27:40,907
This is this kid, 21 years old
Brian Stelter, who started a blog,
485
00:27:41,076 --> 00:27:42,986
who did it anonymously
so no one will get out of him,
486
00:27:43,161 --> 00:27:45,121
until "The New York Times"
outed him as a mere child.
487
00:27:45,288 --> 00:27:46,788
He made his brand
and his reputation
488
00:27:46,956 --> 00:27:48,576
by just getting out there
and blogging.
489
00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:50,630
Arango: you know,
He became this kind of must read
490
00:27:50,794 --> 00:27:52,714
for Brian Williamses
in the world.
491
00:27:52,879 --> 00:27:55,129
And I think "The Times" has an idea,
"Why don't we hire this person?"
492
00:27:55,298 --> 00:27:57,258
Stelter: A Week
After the story appeared,
493
00:27:57,425 --> 00:27:59,505
"The Times" contacted me
and asked me to come
494
00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:01,138
and do this interview series
495
00:28:01,304 --> 00:28:02,854
back to back to return with the editor,
496
00:28:03,014 --> 00:28:04,974
see if you
"Times" Material, I think.
497
00:28:05,141 --> 00:28:07,561
Arango: you see him
/> on his desk and he has
498
00:28:07,727 --> 00:28:10,397
Two laptops and TV open
and he chirped,
499
00:28:10,563 --> 00:28:13,693
and he only embodies
everything about new media
500
00:28:13,858 --> 00:28:16,568
I don't know why some people < br /> who is the reporter who is not on Twitter
501
00:28:16,736 --> 00:28:19,146
I keep on berating
my colleague who is not on it.
502
00:28:19,322 --> 00:28:23,202
This drives me crazy when I hear it
colleague I talk about a story
503
00:28:23,368 --> 00:28:25,698
During the day, and I read it
on Twitter in the middle of the night.
504
00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:28,000
I'm thinking to myself,
"Why is it permitted? "
505
00:28:28,164 --> 00:28:31,504
You know," Why not?
On top of the news? "This is 2010.
506
00:28:31,668 --> 00:28:33,748
I still can't forget that feeling
507
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,670
that Brian Stelter is a robot
508
00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:38,259
gathered in the basement
from "The New York Times"
509
00:28:38,425 --> 00:28:40,965
to come and destroy me
510
00:28:42,929 --> 00:28:44,559
Here's an entertaining tip :
511
00:28:44,723 --> 00:28:46,933
I'm
expensive beer above.
512
00:28:49,978 --> 00:28:53,308
Carr: Welcome to Austin,
which city for now
513
00:28:53,481 --> 00:28:56,781
all famous people,
economy shake
514
00:28:56,943 --> 00:28:58,653
and grid groan
515
00:28:58,820 --> 00:29:01,700
under inflow
from those who are digitally interested
516
00:29:03,867 --> 00:29:06,577
- I might have to forbid you.
- No, I agree, I agree.
517
00:29:06,745 --> 00:29:08,905
I might have to forbid you.
518
00:29:12,167 --> 00:29:15,837
Both of you will end up
with your device on the fence.
519
00:29:18,089 --> 00:29:20,879
Carr: Twitter entered
the lexicon two years ago here,
520
00:29:21,050 --> 00:29:23,800
at that time dear
from the conference
521
00:29:23,970 --> 00:29:25,800
Why do you say when you can tweet?
522
00:29:25,972 --> 00:29:27,852
You are reading an article.
If you want to tweet about it
523
00:29:28,016 --> 00:29:30,016
or if you want to join a columnist,
you can do it there.
524
00:29:30,185 --> 00:29:32,555
Headlines can be sent
out on Twitter
525
00:29:32,729 --> 00:29:35,809
It's about finding out what's happening
in the world you care about
526
00:29:35,982 --> 00:29:39,612
Carr: Really, what can
anyone might find useful
527
00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:42,908
in this frenzied
short communication?
528
00:29:43,072 --> 00:29:47,332
But at 52, I gave up,
some of the professional needs.
529
00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:51,212
Now almost a year later, there's Twitter
530
00:29:51,372 --> 00:29:54,292
turning my brain to pulp?
No.
531
00:29:54,459 --> 00:29:55,879
It's hard to convince someone
that they have to use Twitter
532
00:29:56,044 --> 00:29:58,054
until you get it on it
and they use it for 10 days
533
00:29:58,213 --> 00:30:01,223
and they are like,
"Oh, this is why it's interesting."
534
00:30:01,382 --> 00:30:03,012
Carr: I'm a narrative
on more lots of things at a certain time
535
00:30:03,176 --> 00:30:04,426
than I ever thought possible.
536
00:30:04,594 --> 00:30:06,054
See how many people now...
537
00:30:06,221 --> 00:30:07,431
Carr:
I get news today
538
00:30:07,597 --> 00:30:09,557
and how people react to it
539
00:30:09,724 --> 00:30:12,184
in the time taken to wait
for coffee at Starbucks
540
00:30:13,478 --> 00:30:15,938
Almost a year,
I have begun to understand
541
00:30:16,105 --> 00:30:18,315
that the true value of this service is
542
00:30:18,483 --> 00:30:21,653
listening to the collective sound of the cable.
543
00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:23,990
Media is not the message.
544
00:30:24,155 --> 00:30:26,865
The message is media.
545
00:30:35,416 --> 00:30:37,576
- Man: Bruce?
- Headlam: We always look for ways
546
00:30:37,752 --> 00:30:41,632
to show how cutting in media
business has affected coverage.
547
00:30:41,798 --> 00:30:44,548
And Brian Stelter have
come up with the impossible,
548
00:30:44,717 --> 00:30:46,507
which is
coverage from the President of the United States.
549
00:30:46,678 --> 00:30:48,468
When Obama travels
to Buffalo today,
550
00:30:48,638 --> 00:30:50,718
there won't be
a charter plane traveling with it
551
00:30:50,890 --> 00:30:53,140
because many networks
have opted out
552
00:30:53,309 --> 00:30:54,939
takes a very expensive ride,
553
00:30:55,103 --> 00:30:56,983
and the reason is only the cost.
554
00:30:57,146 --> 00:31:00,686
Uh, we'll call it "press."
555
00:31:00,859 --> 00:31:03,529
Oh good, my source < br /> starts out.
556
00:31:03,695 --> 00:31:06,145
They start to wake up.
557
00:31:06,322 --> 00:31:09,912
This is number one work, of course,
for each DC bureau to follow
558
00:31:10,076 --> 00:31:13,366
president and to travel with him
on foreign and domestic trips.
559
00:31:13,538 --> 00:31:16,418
But lately there has been fewer
from this White House aircraft
560
00:31:16,583 --> 00:31:19,003
who went with President Obama to event.
561
00:31:19,168 --> 00:31:20,788
These people try every day
562
00:31:20,962 --> 00:31:23,092
to save every dollar they get.
563
00:31:23,256 --> 00:31:26,256
This is a demonstration network
trying to do more with less.
564
00:31:26,426 --> 00:31:28,216
Or just accept
You can only do less.
565
00:31:28,386 --> 00:31:31,636
Sometimes it's the answer...
just do a little.
566
00:31:31,806 --> 00:31:35,726
Are 1,500 people
on staff now?
1400.
567
00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:39,654
Are you confirming that 300
and 400 numbers are out there?
568
00:31:39,814 --> 00:31:43,864
ABC spawned 400 people.
CBS was dismissed 90 weeks ago.
569
00:31:44,027 --> 00:31:46,447
God, that's amazing.
570
00:31:46,613 --> 00:31:50,283
20 to 25% of staff
they tried to cut
571
00:31:51,868 --> 00:31:53,408
They are not only there to confirm it
572
00:31:53,578 --> 00:31:55,328
The President is not
choking on chicken bones
573
00:31:55,496 --> 00:31:57,656
They are also in the corner
people for interviews
574
00:31:57,832 --> 00:31:59,212
in a way that they can't do otherwise.
575
00:31:59,375 --> 00:32:01,665
I think something else
All you have to do is nod
576
00:32:01,836 --> 00:32:04,336
for what this goes
coverage means
577
00:32:04,505 --> 00:32:06,295
in the next few campaigns.
In the last election,
578
00:32:06,466 --> 00:32:08,876
because they can't afford
to send ordinary reporters,
579
00:32:09,052 --> 00:32:11,182
they send it out
24-year-old child with a video camera.
580
00:32:11,346 --> 00:32:13,096
They catch
all kinds of things.
581
00:32:13,264 --> 00:32:15,974
Someone falls asleep and will never sleep < br /> have been caught if they don't have it
582
00:32:16,142 --> 00:32:19,522
some children with video cameras
who are bored and shoot everything.
583
00:32:19,687 --> 00:32:21,397
Stelter: He didn't go
to make news today, no.
584
00:32:21,564 --> 00:32:23,864
Headlam: No, the last president
made the news on Buffalo shot.
585
00:32:24,025 --> 00:32:26,435
Isn't that McKinley?
586
00:32:26,611 --> 00:32:29,611
Don't put that in the paper.
587
00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:31,371
This is what happened at this time:
588
00:32:31,532 --> 00:32:33,952
How did you cover it up?
a cheap president?
589
00:32:35,828 --> 00:32:38,748
We've seen
590
00:32:38,915 --> 00:32:41,535
Every, I think, a model you can imagine
591
00:32:41,709 --> 00:32:44,749
All the way from,
you know, philanthropists,
592
00:32:44,921 --> 00:32:48,721
You know, you can find
a generous foundation
593
00:32:48,883 --> 00:32:51,343
who wants to be redeemed
"The New York Times"
594
00:32:51,511 --> 00:32:53,301
for membership
595
00:32:53,471 --> 00:32:56,221
That's an amazing thing.
I mean, first
596
00:32:56,391 --> 00:32:59,101
the newspaper was almost
giving themselves up.
597
00:32:59,268 --> 00:33:02,648
I mean, they charge far less
newspaper printing costs,
598
00:33:02,814 --> 00:33:04,864
and they make
differences in advertising
599
00:33:05,024 --> 00:33:07,364
McQuivey: newspaper industry
don't see Monster
Com
600
00:33:07,527 --> 00:33:09,777
takes the work part away.
They don't see
601
00:33:09,946 --> 00:33:12,026
Craigslist takes
the line section only.
602
00:33:12,198 --> 00:33:14,778
They don't see Ford and GM
make their own site
603
00:33:14,951 --> 00:33:17,621
to take automotive ads
basically go forever
604
00:33:17,787 --> 00:33:23,377
Keller: We are now entering
the middle of a really troubling time.
605
00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:25,503
The real question is whether
newspaper ads
606
00:33:25,670 --> 00:33:27,420
will return to the same level.
607
00:33:27,588 --> 00:33:29,968
Pérez-Peña:
Like many companies in this industry,
608
00:33:30,133 --> 00:33:33,143
this one found itself scrambling
for cash position.
609
00:33:33,302 --> 00:33:36,012
The company borrowed
$ 250 million from Carlos Slim
610
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:38,640
and was executed
a building re-sale,
611
00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:41,178
which is basically like
pawning a building
612
00:33:41,352 --> 00:33:43,402
Nobody wants to make
any predictions,
613
00:33:43,563 --> 00:33:46,233
because all the predictions they have
have made it very wrong.
614
00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:48,189
There is nothing quite pessimistic.
615
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:52,199
There is only this kind
616
00:33:52,363 --> 00:33:55,703
decade centric organization
617
00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:57,947
about, you know,
618
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:00,329
our own superiority
619
00:34:00,496 --> 00:34:02,956
and our own dominance.
620
00:34:03,124 --> 00:34:07,594
And then in a matter
from, like, 18 months,
621
00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:11,474
Suddenly there is...
the air ionizes the strength...
622
00:34:11,632 --> 00:34:14,342
and everyone starts
like asking questions:
623
00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:18,680
Can "The New York Times,"
like, get out of business?
624
00:34:18,848 --> 00:34:21,348
"The New York Times, "
traded for three dollars...
625
00:34:21,517 --> 00:34:24,227
A Sunday newspaper costs more than that
part of the" New York Times "share.
626
00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:27,895
There is already, since the famous
"Atlantic," you know, "Monthly" story,
627
00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:31,146
There are already open talks
"What if & apos; The Times & apos; leave?"
628
00:34:31,319 --> 00:34:35,199
Hirschorn: You know, I don't pretend
to be an experienced business reporter,
629
00:34:35,364 --> 00:34:37,494
but definitely see
on numbers, it looks
630
00:34:37,658 --> 00:34:40,698
as if they are in danger and that
There must be a scenario
631
00:34:40,870 --> 00:34:43,330
where if they don't act fast,
632
00:34:43,498 --> 00:34:45,668
that "The Times" can be
go to bankruptcy
633
00:34:45,833 --> 00:34:47,383
And that's what I wrote.
634
00:34:47,543 --> 00:34:50,213
I thought, "Your horse donkey."
I think, you know,
635
00:34:50,379 --> 00:34:52,669
"You don't know who you are
talking about.
You really don't."
636
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,800
I mean, I think so
such articles,
637
00:34:54,967 --> 00:34:56,717
for that to appear on "The Atlantic,"
638
00:34:56,886 --> 00:34:59,216
I think it's fair
So stupid "The Atlantic."
639
00:34:59,388 --> 00:35:02,558
I was actually very stunned
on the reaction he had that piece.
640
00:35:02,725 --> 00:35:05,595
I'm just... I'm not...
I really don't think
641
00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:08,150
that people will be
so surprised by that,
642
00:35:08,314 --> 00:35:10,364
because it feels rather
clear to me
643
00:35:10,525 --> 00:35:13,895
Please.
I mean this is "New York
Times" that we are talking about,
644
00:35:14,070 --> 00:35:18,200
and I think that such articles
both... I find it just stupid.
645
00:35:18,366 --> 00:35:20,986
There is collective denial
646
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,410
what is happening and that
the newspaper is somehow special
647
00:35:24,580 --> 00:35:27,040
and somehow they are public trust
648
00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:30,288
and that they should not fail,
649
00:35:30,461 --> 00:35:32,841
and therefore they will not fail.
650
00:35:33,005 --> 00:35:36,165
And I think disconnection between
"cannot fail" and "can't fail"
651
00:35:36,342 --> 00:35:39,012
is the thing I'm trying to
to, like, really explode.
652
00:35:54,235 --> 00:35:56,485
"End Times" is good.
That's good.
653
00:35:56,654 --> 00:35:59,494
People have been arguing
that "The New York Times"
654
00:35:59,657 --> 00:36:02,657
has to go out of business
since it was there.
655
00:36:02,827 --> 00:36:04,577
So this old question,
656
00:36:04,745 --> 00:36:07,865
but one that has many
the significance of people.
657
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,920
They like it.
658
00:36:10,084 --> 00:36:12,924
I don't think it's an argument
it will be very easy to make,
659
00:36:13,087 --> 00:36:15,837
and if yes, I will yawn
whoever made it
660
00:36:16,007 --> 00:36:18,427
Copeland: I want the note
that none of us is economists.
661
00:36:18,593 --> 00:36:20,263
We are not here to talk
about whether
662
00:36:20,428 --> 00:36:22,548
"The Times" is
a decent or not institution,
663
00:36:22,722 --> 00:36:25,812
talk about CPMs
or the price of the ad.
664
00:36:25,975 --> 00:36:28,265
We are here to talk about what will happen
665
00:36:28,436 --> 00:36:30,516
if "The New York Times"
disappears.
666
00:36:30,688 --> 00:36:33,938
How many of you will be happy
if "The Times" disappears?
667
00:36:34,108 --> 00:36:36,068
Okay, so we have
a sprinkling of hands.
668
00:36:36,235 --> 00:36:38,195
Kami mungkin
10 orang memilih untuk itu.
669
00:36:38,362 --> 00:36:41,282
And how many of you
will be disappointed or disappointed?
670
00:36:41,449 --> 00:36:44,159
Okay, wow.
I see...
671
00:36:44,327 --> 00:36:47,617
Markos,
I will come to you first
672
00:36:47,788 --> 00:36:51,208
If "The Times" doesn't exist anymore,
how do you feel about that?
673
00:36:51,375 --> 00:36:53,955
I think there is a perception
674
00:36:54,128 --> 00:36:56,918
that many people liked me
who wrote online
675
00:36:57,089 --> 00:37:00,179
cheers of traditional media deaths
outlets like "The New York Times."
676
00:37:00,343 --> 00:37:02,643
But people like me just want to
/> traditional media
677
00:37:02,803 --> 00:37:04,763
like "The New York Times"
to do their work,
678
00:37:04,931 --> 00:37:06,561
to do what they should do.
679
00:37:06,724 --> 00:37:08,934
" The New York Times "
helping cheerlead
680
00:37:09,101 --> 00:37:11,391
our way into the war in Iraq
681
00:37:11,562 --> 00:37:14,442
I think many have gone backwards
in this traditional media
682
00:37:14,607 --> 00:37:17,317
is because people have
lost the belief that the publication
683
00:37:17,485 --> 00:37:19,855
doesn't have hidden
motives or agendas
684
00:37:20,029 --> 00:37:23,449
People like me, I have an agenda,
and I'm very clear about that.
685
00:37:23,616 --> 00:37:27,036
But "The New York Times," they tried
to be something better than that...
686
00:37:27,203 --> 00:37:29,873
Good once, Markos,
but here's the problem:
687
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:31,749
When you make
an argument about how
688
00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:33,956
we always fall in the workplace,
689
00:37:34,126 --> 00:37:37,206
You reach back through five years
690
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:40,420
is very important,
reporting hard is good
691
00:37:40,591 --> 00:37:43,721
We are on the ground in Afghanistan.
We are on the field in Iraq.
692
00:37:43,886 --> 00:37:45,886
I don't imply that this is a bad job.
693
00:37:46,055 --> 00:37:48,675
I said that to claim it because of
you were with "The New York Times"
694
00:37:48,849 --> 00:37:50,929
You have to be taken seriously,
I think it's dangerous.
695
00:37:51,102 --> 00:37:54,312
It's kind of a implicit credibility
that "The New York Times" brings,
696
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,150
escapes with the war...
697
00:37:57,316 --> 00:38:00,026
pre-war coverage that helped
take us into this war
698
00:38:00,194 --> 00:38:03,614
That's because he worked for "The New York
Times," so he must be trustworthy.
699
00:38:03,781 --> 00:38:05,951
Reporter:
Judy Miller reports, quotes...
700
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,450
Reporter # 2: "The New York Times"
brings a not based on
701
00:38:10,621 --> 00:38:12,751
claims from them, including...
702
00:38:12,915 --> 00:38:15,245
Reporter # 3: On the front page
from the country record notes,
703
00:38:15,418 --> 00:38:17,838
"The Times" report it
Saddam Hussein has launched a...
704
00:38:20,756 --> 00:38:23,166
Weapon of mass destruction.
Weapon of mass destruction.
705
00:38:23,342 --> 00:38:25,722
"The Times" has a reporter
706
00:38:25,886 --> 00:38:27,926
which is very vulnerable
707
00:38:28,097 --> 00:38:30,807
There's a story on
"The New York Times" this morning...
708
00:38:30,975 --> 00:38:33,725
We read in "The New York Times"
today a story that says
709
00:38:33,894 --> 00:38:36,154
that Saddam Hussein
is closer...
710
00:38:36,314 --> 00:38:39,524
They are trying to get
certain high quality...
711
00:38:39,692 --> 00:38:41,692
Reporter # 4: < br /> The Bush administration was helped
712
00:38:41,861 --> 00:38:43,901
by the country's leading newspapers,
"The New York Times."
713
00:38:44,071 --> 00:38:45,911
Reporter # 5: If "The New York Times"
Saddam thought
714
00:38:46,073 --> 00:38:47,323
was on a steep cliff
mushroom cloud,
715
00:38:47,491 --> 00:38:49,701
then there was actually no debate.
716
00:38:49,869 --> 00:38:52,949
Seth Mnookin: Judy Miller < br /> someone who is free from this story,
717
00:38:53,122 --> 00:38:55,372
and there is no one there
718
00:38:55,541 --> 00:38:58,541
who is given the power of
to control it,
719
00:38:58,711 --> 00:39:00,841
and he is clear
must be reinstated
720
00:39:01,005 --> 00:39:03,875
Did you receive
that your report was wrong?
721
00:39:04,050 --> 00:39:07,800
True.
A handful of stories...
722
00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:09,850
about six or seven of them...
723
00:39:10,014 --> 00:39:13,484
I did before the war
724
00:39:13,642 --> 00:39:15,192
wrong,
725
00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:17,193
and intelligence information
726
00:39:17,355 --> 00:39:20,475
that I am accurate
wrong reporting
727
00:39:20,649 --> 00:39:23,859
I think if your source is wrong,
728
00:39:24,028 --> 00:39:25,698
You will be wrong.
729
00:39:25,863 --> 00:39:28,953
But to say that you did it wrong
If your source is wrong,
730
00:39:29,116 --> 00:39:32,616
That, as your colleague
in "The New York Times" has said,
731
00:39:32,787 --> 00:39:36,117
reduces your role as a journalist
no more than a stenographer.
732
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:39,920
No , vice versa,
I really reject that criticism.
733
00:39:40,086 --> 00:39:42,296
We made a mistake in our coverage
734
00:39:42,463 --> 00:39:44,423
from weapons of mass destruction.
735
00:39:44,590 --> 00:39:47,180
We made a report the level is
and at the editing level.
736
00:39:47,343 --> 00:39:49,843
Did he tell the truth?
737
00:39:50,012 --> 00:39:52,182
"The New York Times"
can't have a reporter...
738
00:39:52,348 --> 00:39:54,268
And we don't.
739
00:39:58,312 --> 00:40:01,692
At any time "The Times" fails
on a serious scale
740
00:40:01,857 --> 00:40:03,777
on a certain story, a big story,
741
00:40:03,943 --> 00:40:06,193
there is a fee
742
00:40:06,362 --> 00:40:08,202
There is a price must be paid.
743
00:40:08,364 --> 00:40:11,664
And of course in the past few years,
you've heard people say,
744
00:40:11,826 --> 00:40:15,036
"Well, I no longer need & apos; The Times. & apos; < br /> I can no longer trust & apos; The Times. & apos;
745
00:40:15,204 --> 00:40:17,624
One more Jayson Blair
or one more Judy Miller
746
00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:19,920
and you are chipping away
at this institution
747
00:40:20,084 --> 00:40:22,294
that everyone is sort of
desperate to protect
748
00:40:22,461 --> 00:40:24,961
I think until Jayson Blair,
749
00:40:25,131 --> 00:40:27,261
mereka agak tahan
Mereka adalah Teflon.
750
00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:30,755
The Jayson Blair incident happened
an embarrassing event.
751
00:40:30,928 --> 00:40:32,928
The reporter was found
to report the story
752
00:40:33,097 --> 00:40:35,347
in the places where he was
/> does not really exist,
753
00:40:35,516 --> 00:40:38,176
even though the dateline will give
an indication that he is there,
754
00:40:38,352 --> 00:40:40,402
takes the story and does not even
rewrite them....
755
00:40:40,563 --> 00:40:42,653
written by someone else
in another newspaper
756
00:40:42,815 --> 00:40:44,515
Mnookin:
He was finally caught
757
00:40:44,692 --> 00:40:47,152
because he plagiarized
a story from someone
758
00:40:47,319 --> 00:40:49,989
who had previously been
a colleague in "The Times."
759
00:40:50,156 --> 00:40:54,076
He not only took it
and paddled the rope around his neck
760
00:40:54,243 --> 00:40:56,453
and, like, go jumping
a cliff, you know,
761
00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:58,750
right in front of the eyes,
762
00:40:58,914 --> 00:41:01,964
but he tied it with our feet and tried
to pull us off the cliff with him.
763
00:41:02,126 --> 00:41:04,786
As soon as they put it
on the front page in that little box...
764
00:41:04,962 --> 00:41:07,962
I still remember that day coming out...
Raines's reign ended.
765
00:41:08,132 --> 00:41:09,802
Raines:
This system is not set
766
00:41:09,967 --> 00:41:12,587
to catch someone
who sets to lie
767
00:41:12,761 --> 00:41:15,511
and to use all means
at his disposal
768
00:41:15,681 --> 00:41:18,311
to put false information
onto paper.
769
00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:20,436
Mnookin:
You went from Howell
770
00:41:20,603 --> 00:41:22,653
to be the most successful editor,
771
00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:24,613
not only in history
from "The Times,"
772
00:41:24,773 --> 00:41:27,403
in the history of the newspaper,
to be fired.
773
00:41:27,568 --> 00:41:30,148
I'm happy to announce Bill Keller
774
00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:32,451
as the next executive editor.
775
00:41:34,533 --> 00:41:37,623
I aim to increase our ambitions
higher than before.
776
00:41:37,786 --> 00:41:41,246
When Bill comes in,
he's all about
777
00:41:41,415 --> 00:41:44,625
restore confidence
after Howell Raines.
778
00:41:44,793 --> 00:41:48,513
He should have gotten something
the ship is back on track.
779
00:41:48,672 --> 00:41:51,262
It's just not
In that conversation
780
00:41:51,425 --> 00:41:54,885
you know, there is a way
to be an economic crisis in journalism.
781
00:41:55,054 --> 00:41:57,434
And that has happened
the dominant event,
782
00:41:57,598 --> 00:42:00,138
I think if you
ask him, on his watch
783
00:42:00,309 --> 00:42:02,269
Reporter: darker times
be ahead for "Gray Lady."
784
00:42:02,436 --> 00:42:04,186
"The Times" will use Layoffs.
785
00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:06,105
The paper wants to be cut off
100 jobs from the news staff
786
00:42:06,273 --> 00:42:07,613
at the end of the week.
787
00:42:16,867 --> 00:42:20,447
We heard that PHK
starts today this
788
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,789
We now know how many people
789
00:42:24,959 --> 00:42:27,419
have chosen to go voluntarily,
790
00:42:27,586 --> 00:42:30,586
which means we know how many
our people have to lay off.
791
00:42:30,756 --> 00:42:33,586
In the near future,
we are cutting
792
00:42:33,759 --> 00:42:36,929
100 people left the staff
around 1250.
793
00:42:37,096 --> 00:42:40,596
We have spent a lot of time
in last few weeks
794
00:42:40,766 --> 00:42:43,386
went to the list,
tried to prioritize
795
00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:46,401
based on skills
we were able to lose
796
00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:49,654
We are not a special newspaper, < br /> we are a general newspaper.
797
00:42:49,817 --> 00:42:52,107
And we strive to be the prima donna of
on everything from overseas coverage
798
00:42:52,278 --> 00:42:55,318
for educational coverage
for art to sports.
799
00:42:55,489 --> 00:42:58,909
You know, we are big, but there are
not much slack on the system.
800
00:42:59,076 --> 00:43:01,156
I feel that few days,
you know,
801
00:43:01,328 --> 00:43:04,208
we should be
symbolically, you know,
802
00:43:04,373 --> 00:43:07,543
butcher clothes bleed
or something around the newsroom.
803
00:43:07,710 --> 00:43:10,840
It's like that
804
00:43:11,005 --> 00:43:13,965
gloomy business
805
00:43:15,843 --> 00:43:18,513
Sinar:
I was hired in 1977.
806
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:20,969
When I was trying
to get this job,
807
00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:23,100
a work focus group
808
00:43:23,267 --> 00:43:25,977
asked me to write my own obituary.
809
00:43:26,145 --> 00:43:29,645
And since then, I've been
deputy obituary editor.
810
00:43:31,525 --> 00:43:34,605
Hey, this is Claiborne Ray,
people retired departing
811
00:43:34,778 --> 00:43:37,158
Should I go down
freight elevator
812
00:43:37,323 --> 00:43:39,453
or via ordinary
passenger lift
813
00:43:39,617 --> 00:43:42,327
I come with high hopes
814
00:43:42,494 --> 00:43:44,954
stayed for one year
815
00:43:45,122 --> 00:43:48,252
I have overstayed that for 20 years.
816
00:43:50,794 --> 00:43:53,424
Headlam: We have to
throw away too much.
817
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:56,219
They don't really have a choice.
818
00:43:56,383 --> 00:43:58,553
We all get the package in the mail.
819
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,219
There is something very disappointing
820
00:44:01,388 --> 00:44:03,098
about getting packages by mail
821
00:44:03,265 --> 00:44:05,215
who invited you to leave your job.
822
00:44:05,392 --> 00:44:08,942
I almost felt like I didn't know
of everything that happened
823
00:44:09,104 --> 00:44:11,654
and I almost felt like
I don't have a clear understanding
824
00:44:11,815 --> 00:44:14,065
on the magnitude of the situation.
825
00:44:14,234 --> 00:44:16,824
Katherine Boulton:
I decided not to suppress my luck.
826
00:44:16,987 --> 00:44:20,447
Nobody knows whether there will be paper
on paper for another five years.
827
00:44:20,616 --> 00:44:23,906
Everyone
Extraordinary pressure to do
828
00:44:24,078 --> 00:44:26,578
more than anyone
really can humanely done.
829
00:44:26,747 --> 00:44:29,537
I'm sorry to leave "The Times."
830
00:44:31,335 --> 00:44:33,375
There are a lot of unemployed
people out there,
831
00:44:33,545 --> 00:44:36,125
many people are half idle
and many people are scared.
832
00:44:36,298 --> 00:44:39,508
And I have to remind myself every day
that I'm one of the lucky ones.
833
00:44:39,677 --> 00:44:41,797
The main effect is only this restlessness
834
00:44:41,970 --> 00:44:44,430
that surrounds
newspaper business
835
00:44:44,598 --> 00:44:47,268
Mood is very pleasant.
836
00:44:50,521 --> 00:44:52,561
Carr:
Share we who work in the media,
837
00:44:52,731 --> 00:44:54,771
life is a drumbeat
goodbye speech
838
00:44:54,942 --> 00:44:58,322
with cake sheets
and cheap sparkling wine.
839
00:44:58,487 --> 00:45:02,567
The massacre has been left behind
an unsuitable toy island,
840
00:45:02,741 --> 00:45:06,791
like the model train
welder cars have square wheels.
841
00:45:08,747 --> 00:45:10,997
Sure, I've been fired < br /> on my day, but always after
842
00:45:11,166 --> 00:45:13,916
I failed to appear at work
like a normal person
843
00:45:14,086 --> 00:45:17,546
"Go to treatment," my editor at
a magazine in Minneapolis will tell me.
844
00:45:17,715 --> 00:45:20,005
"There's a bed waiting for you."
845
00:45:20,175 --> 00:45:22,085
But at the age of 31,
846
00:45:22,261 --> 00:45:24,761
I still have one year left
before hitting the rock base,
847
00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:28,520
a year left from that person,
thugs who insult drugs,
848
00:45:28,684 --> 00:45:30,944
before me find it
the way to this person,
849
00:45:31,103 --> 00:45:33,773
the one with family and work
in "The New York Times."
850
00:45:33,939 --> 00:45:37,779
One day I came from
"The Twin Cities Reader" where I work,
851
00:45:37,943 --> 00:45:42,913
Come here to the Skyway Lounge
and meet my friend Phil.
852
00:45:43,073 --> 00:45:45,623
Phil gave me
a tube a movie full of coke,
853
00:45:45,784 --> 00:45:49,254
and I will get one gram.
I go to the bathroom,
854
00:45:49,413 --> 00:45:52,463
the police hit
the door to the kiosk where I am
855
00:45:52,624 --> 00:45:55,714
and say,
"You roll a noisy joint, buddy."
856
00:45:55,878 --> 00:45:59,048
And he immediately
put me on the wall
857
00:45:59,214 --> 00:46:02,384
and then take me
the way like this
858
00:46:02,551 --> 00:46:06,431
and arrive at the block towards Nicollet Mall
where the car is parked
859
00:46:06,597 --> 00:46:10,807
The interesting thing about it is that
my father works right in the center of the city,
860
00:46:10,976 --> 00:46:13,266
so I'm parked
861
00:46:13,437 --> 00:46:16,857
in handcuffs past shopping...
862
00:46:17,024 --> 00:46:19,904
a shopping center downtown
863
00:46:20,068 --> 00:46:22,568
where my father works.
864
00:46:22,738 --> 00:46:25,108
That is another life.
865
00:46:25,282 --> 00:46:27,872
That is another man.
866
00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:39,130
That's that person.
867
00:46:41,924 --> 00:46:46,054
Not too.
868
00:46:46,220 --> 00:46:49,140
Look, I'm afraid of weapons
869
00:46:49,306 --> 00:46:52,096
and I'm afraid of bats.
870
00:46:52,267 --> 00:46:55,057
I'm really not afraid of anything else.
871
00:46:55,229 --> 00:46:59,439
This is the advantage of having
textured life.
872
00:46:59,608 --> 00:47:02,528
I have become a single parent in welfare.
It's nothing.
873
00:47:02,694 --> 00:47:04,454
I was talking to John Hume
and he said, "Look,
874
00:47:04,613 --> 00:47:07,113
You don't turn
into a large city space columnist.
875
00:47:07,282 --> 00:47:11,542
You are not set to be
a media reporter, but that's right.
876
00:47:11,703 --> 00:47:14,793
And your story arrived
877
00:47:14,957 --> 00:47:17,577
and it behooves you
878
00:47:17,751 --> 00:47:20,291
for man up, shows a few sacks
879
00:47:20,462 --> 00:47:23,882
and covers until it's finished. "
880
00:47:24,049 --> 00:47:26,969
And I thought," Do you know what?
That's what I will do. "
881
00:47:27,135 --> 00:47:31,635
Welcome, everyone, to another debate
from" Intelligence Squared ".
882
00:47:31,807 --> 00:47:33,637
We will debate this motion:
883
00:47:33,809 --> 00:47:36,939
Good
to the mainstream media.
884
00:47:37,104 --> 00:47:39,564
There will be a
winner and loser tonight,
885
00:47:39,731 --> 00:47:42,111
and you audience
will be our judge
886
00:47:42,276 --> 00:47:43,896
I work at
"The New York Times."
887
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:46,779
We have 17 million people
who come to our website.
888
00:47:46,947 --> 00:47:50,367
We issue 100 videos every month.
We have 80 blogs.
889
00:47:50,534 --> 00:47:52,994
We are fully involved
in the revolution
890
00:47:53,161 --> 00:47:56,161
"The New York Times" has dozens
from bureaus around the world,
891
00:47:56,331 --> 00:47:59,291
and we will throw it away...
which is a proposition...
892
00:47:59,459 --> 00:48:02,459
throw it out and kick it back
893
00:48:02,629 --> 00:48:04,509
and see what Facebook appears.
894
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,300
Carr:
I don't think so.
895
00:48:08,468 --> 00:48:11,548
What you will hear
tonight is media
896
00:48:11,722 --> 00:48:15,642
needed
for the public.
897
00:48:15,809 --> 00:48:20,809
Citizens of information
are what this nation is.
898
00:48:20,981 --> 00:48:24,111
That is self-serving nonsense.
899
00:48:26,153 --> 00:48:29,163
"The New York Times"
is a good newspaper...
900
00:48:29,323 --> 00:48:32,663
terkadang.
"Washington Post"
adalah surat kabar yang bagus
901
00:48:32,826 --> 00:48:36,746
The "LA Times," before being
a bad newspaper, is a good newspaper.
902
00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:39,254
But after that, it's from the cliff.
903
00:48:39,416 --> 00:48:42,626
This forgotten.
The news business in this country
904
00:48:42,794 --> 00:48:45,384
there is nothing to be proud of
905
00:48:45,547 --> 00:48:48,417
The media is
a technology business.
906
00:48:48,592 --> 00:48:51,802
That's what
That's what always happens.
907
00:48:51,970 --> 00:48:55,310
Changes in technology,
media changes
908
00:48:55,474 --> 00:48:59,394
Over time, viewers
have switched to the web.
909
00:48:59,561 --> 00:49:03,021
The audience is
worth the print money
910
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:07,070
worth a penny and sometimes
a penny on the web,
911
00:49:07,235 --> 00:49:11,025
because we end up
competing often
912
00:49:11,198 --> 00:49:14,278
for our own work is collected.
913
00:49:14,451 --> 00:49:18,041
"Newser" is a great site
and you might want to check it out.
914
00:49:18,205 --> 00:49:21,745
Agregat segala macam konten.
915
00:49:21,917 --> 00:49:24,627
But I want to know if Michael
really thinks about it
916
00:49:24,795 --> 00:49:27,625
get rid of the mainstream
media content
917
00:49:27,798 --> 00:49:30,088
Good.
918
00:49:30,258 --> 00:49:31,878
Continue .
919
00:49:39,101 --> 00:49:41,101
Remnick:
There are many websites,
920
00:49:41,269 --> 00:49:45,649
the core of their very existence...
not all of them, but some...
921
00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:49,486
is a repetposed cut
by "The Times"
922
00:49:49,653 --> 00:49:52,913
with sexier headlines
or a bigger picture
923
00:49:53,073 --> 00:49:54,913
or bounce
from "Times" reporting
924
00:49:55,075 --> 00:49:56,825
commenting on "Times" reporting.
925
00:49:56,994 --> 00:50:00,204
Places like "Gawker,"
what they went for
926
00:50:00,372 --> 00:50:03,122
will give eat it
Google-beast algorithm.
927
00:50:03,291 --> 00:50:04,791
They will feed the hit.
928
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,550
And how do we build it really
a rich media environment
929
00:50:09,715 --> 00:50:12,925
where you don't lose
country house coverage,
930
00:50:13,093 --> 00:50:15,013
Congress is a question.
931
00:50:27,441 --> 00:50:30,861
The big council is the curse of
to anyone in "The Times"
932
00:50:31,028 --> 00:50:34,608
or other traditional
Daily newspapers.
933
00:50:34,781 --> 00:50:37,411
This lists 10 stories
from our site
934
00:50:37,576 --> 00:50:39,406
on large television screens,
935
00:50:39,578 --> 00:50:41,908
which at that time
936
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,580
got the most buzz a lot,
distributed
937
00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:46,880
and distributed on the web.
938
00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:49,344
This is equivalent to the front page.
939
00:50:49,504 --> 00:50:52,214
This is the most visible manifestation
successful a writer.
940
00:50:52,382 --> 00:50:54,762
We always
are very focused on the story
941
00:50:54,926 --> 00:50:56,466
that our readers want.
942
00:50:56,636 --> 00:50:58,296
We don't try
to feed them .
943
00:50:58,472 --> 00:51:00,222
We tried to give them
what they wanted
944
00:51:00,390 --> 00:51:03,680
I have a friend
who in the Albany bureau
945
00:51:03,852 --> 00:51:06,562
from "The Times. "
I told him
946
00:51:06,730 --> 00:51:09,070
about the big council,
sending it the photo
947
00:51:09,232 --> 00:51:11,362
and "How do you like it?
our new innovation?"
948
00:51:11,526 --> 00:51:14,946
He was very scared.
Albany corruption story...
949
00:51:15,113 --> 00:51:18,623
they may be important to cover up,
but nobody really wants to read it.
950
00:51:18,784 --> 00:51:21,414
The future can be found elsewhere.
951
00:51:21,578 --> 00:51:24,458
This is a connected economy.
This is a search engine.
952
00:51:24,623 --> 00:51:27,923
This is online advertising.
This is citizen journalism,
953
00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:30,415
and if you don't can find
your way to it,
954
00:51:30,587 --> 00:51:32,837
then you can't find your way.
955
00:51:33,006 --> 00:51:36,256
Nobody covered the police shop,
nothing covered the zoning board
956
00:51:36,426 --> 00:51:38,886
The day I met
the reporter "Huffington Post"
957
00:51:39,054 --> 00:51:41,354
on the Baltimore zoning board
hearing is the day I will...
958
00:51:41,515 --> 00:51:44,555
Senator Kerry, I'm not there
When the printing press was found,
959
00:51:44,726 --> 00:51:47,186
but if I'm around,
I will imagine
960
00:51:47,354 --> 00:51:49,944
that people face
with stone tablets
961
00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:51,857
will make
an argument the same
962
00:51:52,025 --> 00:51:54,145
There's no way I can think of it
963
00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:56,989
that you can have
a "business model"...
964
00:51:57,155 --> 00:51:58,985
You know, that one < br /> make profit...
965
00:51:59,157 --> 00:52:01,407
for investigative reporting
966
00:52:06,957 --> 00:52:09,917
Vanden Heuvel:
ProPublica... very interesting model.
967
00:52:10,085 --> 00:52:11,995
Some of the formula is paired
968
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:14,300
with legacy media to get
the information out
969
00:52:14,464 --> 00:52:16,134
in the most effective way.
970
00:52:16,299 --> 00:52:18,549
Steiger: everything we do
continue on our site
971
00:52:18,718 --> 00:52:21,008
But for our biggest story,
we get CNN,
972
00:52:21,179 --> 00:52:23,759
a "60 Minutes,"
a "New York Times"
973
00:52:23,932 --> 00:52:25,642
to work with us
974
00:52:25,809 --> 00:52:29,519
You know, I'm 25, 26 years old
in "The Journal."
975
00:52:29,688 --> 00:52:33,068
We really
rolling around money
976
00:52:33,233 --> 00:52:35,863
Why are you must open up?
for some stories
977
00:52:36,027 --> 00:52:38,067
that you don't know
where already
978
00:52:38,238 --> 00:52:40,318
Who knows what kind of germs
what happened?
979
00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:43,490
People are open
for new ways to work,
980
00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:45,450
because the world has changed.
981
00:52:45,620 --> 00:52:48,000
Vanden Heuvel:
There are hybrid models here,
982
00:52:48,165 --> 00:52:50,245
and I think journalism
is a public good.
983
00:52:50,417 --> 00:52:54,037
And if it's a public item,
then it requires
984
00:52:54,212 --> 00:52:58,672
new mindset < br /> how do you support journalism
985
00:52:58,842 --> 00:53:01,472
1,000 bloggers
all talk to each other
986
00:53:01,636 --> 00:53:04,886
don't give you a
report from the war zone
987
00:53:05,056 --> 00:53:06,926
Someone must take real risks.
988
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:09,520
There must be some
infrastructure and some pay,
989
00:53:09,686 --> 00:53:12,056
and they have to go
and gather the news initially.
990
00:53:15,483 --> 00:53:17,693
Arango: Many people
in the Baghdad bureau
991
00:53:17,861 --> 00:53:20,531
moved to Kabul
And they asked if there was anyone
992
00:53:20,697 --> 00:53:23,027
who wanted
to volunteer for Baghdad,
993
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,120
and so I went to Iraq
994
00:53:27,162 --> 00:53:29,712
Headlam: he was done
all of these stories are in media companies
995
00:53:29,873 --> 00:53:31,833
and you know,
capital cases and capital punishment.
996
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,460
And the Team is only one
from people who wants answers
997
00:53:34,628 --> 00:53:37,338
for very basic questions
And I think once you get it
998
00:53:37,505 --> 00:53:39,835
You are curious
all kinds of things.
999
00:53:40,008 --> 00:53:42,838
Arango : Iraq is kind of
from people's radar screens here,
1000
00:53:43,011 --> 00:53:45,351
but we still have
120,000 soldiers there
1001
00:53:45,513 --> 00:53:48,353
and that is a very important thing
1002
00:53:48,516 --> 00:53:51,346
in terms of seeing
what is the last chapter
1003
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:53,849
for our country there
1004
00:53:57,359 --> 00:53:59,359
Headlam:
Locals who have worked for us,
1005
00:53:59,527 --> 00:54:01,777
some have been killed
and kidnapped and... and...
1006
00:54:01,947 --> 00:54:03,407
yeah, I'm worried about that
1007
00:54:03,573 --> 00:54:06,243
But that's something
he wants to do and...
1008
00:54:07,869 --> 00:54:10,579
you know,
1009
00:54:10,747 --> 00:54:13,747
Sort of hoping he's fine.
1010
00:54:18,296 --> 00:54:21,046
Cheerful, for your good health.
1011
00:54:21,216 --> 00:54:23,546
Did they tell you?
what do they want you to do?
1012
00:54:23,718 --> 00:54:26,388
I mean, there's no knock.
It's just that...
1013
00:54:26,554 --> 00:54:28,564
did the story that day and...
1014
00:54:28,723 --> 00:54:31,393
satisfied with Iraqi staff
and write a story, you know
1015
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:33,809
For starters,
it will be an election.
1016
00:54:33,979 --> 00:54:36,359
You have covered a lot of
from other conflicts, right?
1017
00:54:36,523 --> 00:54:38,443
Civil war and conflict in Africa.
1018
00:54:38,608 --> 00:54:40,688
Somalia...
A lot of time in Somalia.
1019
00:54:40,860 --> 00:54:43,530
I toured in Yugoslavia
when all that happened.
1020
00:54:43,697 --> 00:54:47,067
Oh really?
The only suggestion they gave was
falling into a machine that was managed with this good
1021
00:54:47,242 --> 00:54:50,042
It has been going on for seven years
and you will find it.
1022
00:54:50,203 --> 00:54:53,503
As you probably know,
I wish you were on TV in a week. "
1023
00:54:53,665 --> 00:54:56,915
" We have been
covering this for a while. "
1024
00:54:57,085 --> 00:54:59,375
" We have been here
for two days thinking... "
1025
00:55:21,067 --> 00:55:24,897
It is an honor to work with you.
Come back soon.
1026
00:55:25,071 --> 00:55:26,911
- Thank you for the kind words.
- People: Cheers!
1027
00:55:27,073 --> 00:55:29,243
Man: Stay safe
1028
00:55:46,551 --> 00:55:50,261
This is history.
This is very large
Compendium of material
1029
00:55:50,430 --> 00:55:53,930
it will affect many people
in a different way.
1030
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:55,680
There has been a massive leak.
1031
00:55:55,852 --> 00:55:59,102
There are so many pages
military secrets are now public.
1032
00:55:59,272 --> 00:56:03,692
Some documents tear the cover
US-led war effort in Afghanistan:
1033
00:56:03,860 --> 00:56:05,900
Unexplained American deaths,
1034
00:56:06,071 --> 00:56:08,361
questionable battlefield tactics
1035
00:56:08,531 --> 00:56:10,701
and just a mission
not going well
1036
00:56:10,867 --> 00:56:14,697
Reporter: WikiLeaks released
91,000 raw military documents online,
1037
00:56:14,871 --> 00:56:18,421
but this time also up to three
traditional news organizations
1038
00:56:18,583 --> 00:56:21,253
including "The New York Times, "
who examined the material,
1039
00:56:21,419 --> 00:56:24,299
he said, eliminating
information that could endanger lives.
1040
00:56:24,464 --> 00:56:26,594
Carr: Well, I think that's right
/> important moments
1041
00:56:26,758 --> 00:56:29,178
chosen by WikiLeaks
to pass "Guardian,"
1042
00:56:29,344 --> 00:56:31,554
"Der Spiegel"
and "The New York Times."
1043
00:56:31,721 --> 00:56:35,471
In the sense that they detoxify
the information they have,
1044
00:56:35,642 --> 00:56:39,062
and they give it < br /> a little more honesty
1045
00:56:39,229 --> 00:56:41,109
What Julian Assange
realized that
1046
00:56:41,272 --> 00:56:43,232
through "The Times"
1047
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,610
and "Spiegel"
and "Guardian"
1048
00:56:45,777 --> 00:56:48,607
will have a greater impact
He is right.
1049
00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:51,070
We as a journalistic group...
1050
00:56:51,241 --> 00:56:53,531
the four
media groups working in this...
1051
00:56:53,701 --> 00:56:55,871
just scratching the surface
1052
00:57:02,377 --> 00:57:05,417
Carr: We have treated them
as an organization advocacy,
1053
00:57:05,588 --> 00:57:07,668
but we partner with them
1054
00:57:07,841 --> 00:57:09,881
Do we partner?
1055
00:57:10,051 --> 00:57:11,971
I think they are a source.
1056
00:57:12,137 --> 00:57:14,297
- But they are publishers.
- I think they are more like
1057
00:57:14,472 --> 00:57:16,312
a source from...
okay, you're right
1058
00:57:16,474 --> 00:57:18,854
He's not our media partner.
He isn't our collaborator.
1060
00:57:20,728 --> 00:57:23,018
gives us access to documents.
1061
00:57:23,189 --> 00:57:26,319
They can be a source when they are
a publisher
I think it's very clear.
1062
00:57:26,484 --> 00:57:29,074
- We're all together with this.
- But you wonder about negotiations,
1063
00:57:29,237 --> 00:57:31,067
when they come and say,
"You can have this,
1064
00:57:31,239 --> 00:57:33,409
but we will give it
to another paper,
1065
00:57:33,575 --> 00:57:36,195
and all of you will go
to hold hands. "Where we say,
1066
00:57:36,369 --> 00:57:39,039
" But we are & apos; The New York Times, & apos;
and they say,
1067
00:57:39,205 --> 00:57:43,075
"But we have all this
and we dictate the term. "
1068
00:57:43,251 --> 00:57:45,711
You could say that.
And so can
turn around and say," By the way,
1069
00:57:45,879 --> 00:57:48,339
& apos; The New York Times & apos; shouldn't
have done this in the first place "?
1070
00:57:48,506 --> 00:57:52,126
I was really shocked
by a leak, condemning a leak.
1071
00:57:52,302 --> 00:57:56,102
There is potential there
to endanger American life.
1072
00:57:56,264 --> 00:57:57,974
Do you believe there?
should be an investigation
1073
00:57:58,141 --> 00:57:59,851
into what
"The New York Times" violates the law?
1074
00:58:00,018 --> 00:58:03,558
I didn't call
for the prosecution of "The Times,"
1075
00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:06,860
but I think they were guilty
bad citizenship
1076
00:58:07,025 --> 00:58:10,815
Keller: Basic Calculus < what you are trying to do in your head is a trade-off between
its obligations, really,
1077
00:58:10,987 --> 00:58:13,737
to inform people
about how they were ordered
1078
00:58:13,907 --> 00:58:16,947
and on the other hand,
government
1079
00:58:17,118 --> 00:58:20,248
legitimate needs for confidentiality
1080
00:58:20,413 --> 00:58:23,293
I already have a dozen of these cases
1081
00:58:23,458 --> 00:58:26,918
Aku sudah punya selusin kasus ini
1082
00:58:27,086 --> 00:58:29,666
where we have
confidential information
1083
00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:32,219
and must decide
whether to publish or not
1084
00:58:32,383 --> 00:58:34,763
or publish with some
the section is cut
1085
00:58:34,928 --> 00:58:37,928
p>
1086
00:58:38,097 --> 00:58:41,267
Officials at the White House
ask us to communicate
1087
00:58:41,434 --> 00:58:44,194
to WikiLeaks
their strong insistence
1088
00:58:44,354 --> 00:58:46,734
that WikiLeaks redact
documents and remove
1089
00:58:46,898 --> 00:58:49,728
people's names
who can be identified
1090
00:58:49,901 --> 00:58:52,741
and in danger
And we pass it.
1091
00:58:52,904 --> 00:58:55,744
The strangest thing in the story,
You see, is that "The Times" said
1092
00:58:55,907 --> 00:58:57,817
that the White House asked them
to lobby WikiLeaks not to print items.
1093
00:58:57,992 --> 00:59:00,662
- Headlam: yes
- What is really strange
1094
00:59:00,828 --> 00:59:03,538
- But also we "The New York Times"...
- "This is 1-800-WikiLeaks."
1095
00:59:12,632 --> 00:59:15,512
Reporter: Supposedly
personal cable details everything
1096
00:59:15,677 --> 00:59:18,927
from security threats
to dirty diplomatic laundry.
1097
00:59:19,097 --> 00:59:21,467
Nothing unpleasant
key ally views
1098
00:59:21,641 --> 00:59:24,941
Reporter # 2: This is released the biggest
diplomatic correspondence ever
1099
00:59:25,103 --> 00:59:28,233
Reporter # 3: from highly encrypted
telegram to send email messages
1100
00:59:28,398 --> 00:59:32,228
for raw, unfiltered analysis
from embassies and consulates.
1101
00:59:34,445 --> 00:59:36,695
Keller: I still get
messages from people who think so
1102
00:59:36,864 --> 00:59:38,914
I'm an arrogant bastard.
1103
00:59:39,075 --> 00:59:41,325
And I get some from people
1104
00:59:41,494 --> 00:59:44,584
who think Julian Assange
is messiah
1105
00:59:44,747 --> 00:59:47,117
and why am I not
Treat him like that?
1106
00:59:47,292 --> 00:59:49,172
Carr :
Lots of media
1107
00:59:49,335 --> 00:59:51,375
who have partnered
with WikiLeaks
1108
00:59:51,546 --> 00:59:53,956
now find themselves
trying to find out
1109
00:59:54,132 --> 00:59:58,892
whether this person
is a villain or hero.
1110
00:59:59,053 --> 01:00:02,103
It would be great if people got it
past the debate about WikiLeaks
1111
01:00:02,265 --> 01:00:04,975
and disclosure, and see
closely on what this is,
1112
01:00:05,143 --> 01:00:07,233
which is a real-time history
1113
01:00:07,395 --> 01:00:10,805
of US
relations with some very important countries.
1114
01:00:10,982 --> 01:00:14,402
This is one of the biggest journalistic
spoons in the last 30 years
1115
01:00:14,569 --> 01:00:16,859
And the fact that "The Times"
made it their front page
1116
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:19,990
for weeks showed that,
even like all of this writing
1117
01:00:20,158 --> 01:00:22,738
became a shadow of
from themselves before,
1118
01:00:22,910 --> 01:00:25,200
"The Times" is still in the game
1119
01:00:25,371 --> 01:00:27,501
and very prominent
the game at the moment.
1120
01:00:27,665 --> 01:00:30,125
Cohen: Maybe newspapers
must complete
1121
01:00:30,293 --> 01:00:32,133
using WikiLeaks
to get their news
1122
01:00:32,295 --> 01:00:35,045
It's not clear what the model is,
But I think this is a sign
1123
01:00:35,214 --> 01:00:38,884
Openness on that paper
There are many more sources.
1124
01:00:39,052 --> 01:00:40,802
In many ways
This is a very positive step,
1125
01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:42,930
even though it's definitely
coming at a cost
1126
01:00:43,097 --> 01:00:45,347
from a contract
traditional newsroom
1127
01:00:45,516 --> 01:00:47,426
As Chinese people say,
This is a very interesting time.
1128
01:00:47,602 --> 01:00:49,562
It's kind of a curse,
But it's also a blessing that we live in
1129
01:00:49,729 --> 01:00:51,019
at an interesting time...
especially if you are a journalist.
1130
01:00:51,189 --> 01:00:53,649
You should want it
Interesting things happen,
1131
01:00:53,816 --> 01:00:57,686
even if it's also a curse.
1132
01:00:59,197 --> 01:01:00,737
"New York Time."
1133
01:01:00,907 --> 01:01:03,197
Dapatkan "New York Times" Anda!
1134
01:01:03,368 --> 01:01:05,118
Come on, check it out.
Take a look.
1135
01:01:05,286 --> 01:01:07,116
Good morning,
"New York Time"?
1136
01:01:07,288 --> 01:01:09,868
"New York Times," $ 2.
1137
01:01:10,041 --> 01:01:12,131
"The New York Times"
today announced that this will happen
1138
01:01:12,293 --> 01:01:14,133
to begin charging
for access to the site.
1139
01:01:14,295 --> 01:01:16,045
The
system they will adopt says
1141
01:01:19,258 --> 01:01:22,138
can see X number
from free articles,
1142
01:01:22,303 --> 01:01:25,103
and then when you reach X + 1
You will get a message saying
1143
01:01:25,264 --> 01:01:27,314
If you want to keep going,
you have to pay.
1144
01:01:27,475 --> 01:01:29,345
"The Times" paywall design
1145
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:31,809
this close < br /> to the NPR model,
1146
01:01:31,979 --> 01:01:34,519
which is to go to people
Who cares most about "The Times"
1147
01:01:34,691 --> 01:01:36,571
and say, "You and us, we are partner.
1148
01:01:36,734 --> 01:01:38,654
We keep this object on. "
1149
01:01:38,820 --> 01:01:41,410
Pérez-Peña: "To this day
you have lost daily readers.
1150
01:01:41,572 --> 01:01:45,162
If they start charging, I will change
this is far from my homepage."
1151
01:01:45,326 --> 01:01:47,036
This is my college friend:
1152
01:01:47,203 --> 01:01:49,003
"I want to pay,
but I don't want to pay
1153
01:01:49,163 --> 01:01:51,163
for the information I can
easily find elsewhere
1154
01:01:51,332 --> 01:01:53,712
Sorry, & apos; New York Times. & apos;
Freedom of information. "
1155
01:01:53,876 --> 01:01:56,246
I am worried about someone like
who is an adult
1156
01:01:56,421 --> 01:01:59,301
in those days where
everything is free,
1157
01:01:59,465 --> 01:02:03,005
or everything seems free
It's never free, but...
1158
01:02:03,177 --> 01:02:05,597
The economy of this business
always so
1159
01:02:05,763 --> 01:02:08,933
ads and payments from readers are needed.
1160
01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:11,560
And for the last 15 years
on the internet,
1161
01:02:11,728 --> 01:02:14,018
We've pretend to be a
that's not true.
1162
01:02:14,188 --> 01:02:16,018
This is the end of pretending.
1163
01:02:16,190 --> 01:02:19,480
They found it through you.
They clicked through you.
1164
01:02:19,652 --> 01:02:22,652
They came up with stories,
the current ones free.
1165
01:02:22,822 --> 01:02:25,702
So they are still
not paid for it
1166
01:02:25,867 --> 01:02:28,617
Usually there are advertisements
on the page when they land there.
1167
01:02:28,786 --> 01:02:32,496
In many cases, I don't think they
get that advertising revenue,
1168
01:02:32,665 --> 01:02:36,495
and of course it doesn't cover
the cost of doing business.
1169
01:02:36,669 --> 01:02:40,129
My view is still
very early and that...
1170
01:02:40,298 --> 01:02:43,178
Kerry: When you say that early,
This isn't the beginning for "The Denver Post"
1171
01:02:43,342 --> 01:02:44,802
or "The Seattle Intelligencer"
or a group of people
1172
01:02:44,969 --> 01:02:46,599
who are facing bankruptcy today.
1173
01:02:46,763 --> 01:02:49,063
Information historically
not free
1174
01:02:49,223 --> 01:02:51,563
You have to pay it
in one way or another.
1175
01:02:51,726 --> 01:02:54,306
I think what "The Times" says...
"This is what is feasible
1176
01:02:54,479 --> 01:02:56,899
to read our newspaper
every month"...
1177
01:02:57,064 --> 01:02:59,944
will go far to build
1178
01:03:00,109 --> 01:03:03,239
What people feel they can pay
or maybe what they can't pay.
1179
01:03:03,404 --> 01:03:06,164
This is actually a big day
in the newspaper business.
1180
01:03:06,324 --> 01:03:08,664
And some people may
date this, you know,
1181
01:03:08,826 --> 01:03:11,866
this is the day all die.
We will find out.
1182
01:03:12,038 --> 01:03:13,708
The person who made the recipe...
1183
01:03:13,873 --> 01:03:15,543
"They have to go do paywall;
don't do paywall;
1184
01:03:15,708 --> 01:03:17,998
put everything on the iPad;
kill paper products "...
1186
01:03:21,297 --> 01:03:23,797
run legacy
print newspaper business
1187
01:03:23,966 --> 01:03:26,176
and try to build
online news business
1188
01:03:26,344 --> 01:03:30,144
You better hope they find out,
because you have 40 years left.
1189
01:03:30,306 --> 01:03:32,806
Even if we have
our heads are cut,
1190
01:03:32,975 --> 01:03:37,265
we only need find out, what is
, 15 more years?
1191
01:03:37,438 --> 01:03:39,268
Oh, that shit.
1192
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,530
I think I have a lot of
longer to get away from it.
1193
01:03:44,695 --> 01:03:47,235
- really
- My life is working or my life?
1194
01:03:47,406 --> 01:03:49,656
- How old are you?
- 46.
1195
01:03:51,410 --> 01:03:55,460
Someone will knock you
on the shoulder here at 62, 63,
1197
01:03:58,334 --> 01:04:01,004
Thank you very much.
Your sheet cake is there. "
1198
01:04:01,170 --> 01:04:04,420
- Stelter:" Turn on your tablet. "
- Turn your tablet over.
1199
01:04:04,590 --> 01:04:05,590
We call it...
1200
01:04:05,758 --> 01:04:07,338
... iPad.
1201
01:04:12,306 --> 01:04:14,676
Rupert Murdoch:
I can catch a glimpse of the future
1202
01:04:14,851 --> 01:04:16,891
this weekend with the iPad.
1203
01:04:17,061 --> 01:04:21,941
Maybe too, you know,
saving the newspaper industry.
1204
01:04:22,108 --> 01:04:25,238
Marvin Kalb: And even if it costs
the end of the newspaper as we know it...
1205
01:04:25,403 --> 01:04:27,993
Well, it's better than them
going out of business altogether.
1206
01:04:28,155 --> 01:04:31,155
Headlam: Why are media companies?
really excited about tablets?
1207
01:04:31,325 --> 01:04:34,075
Well, they see it as over-over, they see
Like this, they see it like
1208
01:04:34,245 --> 01:04:36,995
And then the question becomes,
Okay, there are lots of people
1209
01:04:37,164 --> 01:04:38,964
who think Apple is saved
the music business
1210
01:04:39,125 --> 01:04:41,125
They don't save it
on music business terms.
1211
01:04:41,294 --> 01:04:43,424
There are many people
in the music business saying
1212
01:04:43,588 --> 01:04:45,628
this is very punishing
dealing with people.
1213
01:04:45,798 --> 01:04:47,468
Like, "Oh yeah,
they are my best friends
1214
01:04:47,633 --> 01:04:50,223
Look at this?
It's a rope."
What makes people think
1215
01:04:50,386 --> 01:04:52,676
it will be different
for publishers
1216
01:04:52,847 --> 01:04:55,467
That's why I wonder if we will go
finally messing up ourselves.
1217
01:04:55,641 --> 01:04:58,271
Crowds: < br /> Six, five, four,
1218
01:04:58,436 --> 01:05:01,396
three two one.
1219
01:05:07,737 --> 01:05:09,647
164 and 232.
1220
01:05:09,822 --> 01:05:12,202
One per buyer
1221
01:05:12,366 --> 01:05:14,076
It's amazing
To be able to cover this,
1222
01:05:14,243 --> 01:05:16,043
Because I think in five years
1223
01:05:16,203 --> 01:05:19,373
this could be, like,
how about that computer
1224
01:05:19,540 --> 01:05:22,670
But it's a little
scary there, actually
1225
01:05:22,835 --> 01:05:25,545
I walked out and people
like "Congratulations!"
1226
01:05:25,713 --> 01:05:28,673
And like I just had a small child < br /> or I only have twins or something.
1227
01:05:28,841 --> 01:05:31,761
You know, I just bought a...
I just bought a computer.
1228
01:05:31,928 --> 01:05:34,798
Is that a bridge towards the future?
1229
01:05:34,972 --> 01:05:37,142
Or... oh wait, this is the gallows!
1230
01:05:37,308 --> 01:05:39,098
Ow!
1231
01:05:41,020 --> 01:05:43,360
It's true that dreams come true.
1232
01:05:47,944 --> 01:05:50,744
Carr: Let's see you navigate.
Um, sweet.
1233
01:05:50,905 --> 01:05:53,445
That is a good reading
experience there
1234
01:05:53,616 --> 01:05:55,116
Do you know what reminds me of?
1235
01:05:55,284 --> 01:05:57,624
- Stelter: what?
- Carr: newspaper
1236
01:05:57,787 --> 01:06:00,707
People including me may
be silly to think, you know,
1237
01:06:00,873 --> 01:06:03,833
Steve Jobs is riding
on the hill like a cavalry
1238
01:06:04,001 --> 01:06:06,541
to save the industry media.
1239
01:06:06,712 --> 01:06:08,632
He drives Apple's stock price.
1240
01:06:08,798 --> 01:06:11,168
And maybe so too
the same business.
1241
01:06:11,342 --> 01:06:13,682
And what is the Venn diagram
of interests are...
1242
01:06:13,844 --> 01:06:16,144
their interests versus our interests...
1243
01:06:16,305 --> 01:06:18,885
That's kind of where the story goes.
1244
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,450
I have a lot of great things
background conversation,
1245
01:06:37,618 --> 01:06:39,828
but I have to move people
to the record.
1246
01:06:39,996 --> 01:06:42,366
Think of what you might
be able to say to me
1247
01:06:42,540 --> 01:06:45,210
Alright, bro.
Thank you.
See you later.
1248
01:06:52,758 --> 01:06:56,048
You know, you can say being on
"The New York Times" is a big advantage.
1249
01:06:56,220 --> 01:06:59,100
You know, that kinda scary
people when you call them
1250
01:07:01,183 --> 01:07:04,983
And I also think I sound
it's a bit strange on the phone.
1251
01:07:05,146 --> 01:07:06,856
And it's like...
1252
01:07:08,190 --> 01:07:10,480
Well, do you have time to talk to me?
1253
01:07:10,651 --> 01:07:12,401
Big.
1254
01:07:12,570 --> 01:07:16,360
Um, how long have you been?
working on the "Trib"?
1255
01:07:18,117 --> 01:07:20,737
This is a big story that hasn't been
really notified
1256
01:07:20,911 --> 01:07:22,911
in this case
comprehensive way...
1257
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,330
biggest media bankruptcy
/> in history,
1258
01:07:25,499 --> 01:07:28,169
billions and billions of
from the dollar only evaporates,
1259
01:07:28,335 --> 01:07:30,085
Many people lose their jobs.
1260
01:07:30,254 --> 01:07:33,174
People are still there,
you know, good work,
1261
01:07:33,340 --> 01:07:36,300
but under
very difficult circumstances
1262
01:07:36,469 --> 01:07:40,469
from real people
don't respect what they do
1263
01:07:45,311 --> 01:07:47,651
Headlam: Sam Zell,
When he enters, there is someone
1264
01:07:47,813 --> 01:07:50,483
without experience
running a company like this
1265
01:07:50,649 --> 01:07:53,109
There is no news experience
Actually, a little insult
1266
01:07:53,277 --> 01:07:56,067
for traditional types
journalism ideas
1267
01:07:56,238 --> 01:07:59,658
My attitude towards journalism
is very simple
1268
01:07:59,825 --> 01:08:02,905
I want to make enough money
so I can.
1269
01:08:03,079 --> 01:08:07,959
It's really simple, okay?
You need to help me
1270
01:08:08,125 --> 01:08:10,665
by being a focused journalist
1271
01:08:10,836 --> 01:08:12,126
on what our readers want.
1272
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:18,590
Forgive me, forgive me
1273
01:08:18,761 --> 01:08:20,761
I can't, you know,
1274
01:08:20,930 --> 01:08:23,350
You give me a classic
1275
01:08:23,516 --> 01:08:26,016
what I call
journalistic vanity
1276
01:08:26,185 --> 01:08:28,555
You know, people people inside just
sort of become desperate
1277
01:08:28,729 --> 01:08:30,979
because the company
is run by these people
1278
01:08:31,148 --> 01:08:33,068
who doesn't share
their value
1279
01:08:33,234 --> 01:08:35,744
Hopefully we get
to the point where our income
1280
01:08:35,903 --> 01:08:37,823
Is so important that we can do
1281
01:08:37,988 --> 01:08:40,488
puppies and Iraq, okay? <
1282
01:08:45,621 --> 01:08:48,081
Headlam: Sam Zell wants to put him
Randy Michaels, who he knows
1283
01:08:48,249 --> 01:08:50,539
from the radio business,
is responsible for the Tribune Company.
1284
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:53,749
Michaels then goes in and one
from the first thing he does
1285
01:08:53,921 --> 01:08:56,461
is rewriting
company ethics policy
1286
01:08:56,632 --> 01:08:59,802
to basically say, "We will be
in a much more permissive atmosphere"
1287
01:08:59,969 --> 01:09:01,799
and you know,
"This will be creative
1288
01:09:01,971 --> 01:09:03,761
and anyone goes
to be the thing that offends you. "
1289
01:09:03,931 --> 01:09:06,601
Do you know what's important
the person who bought the ad?
1290
01:09:06,767 --> 01:09:09,557
I don't mean the agency.
I mean the person who wrote the check.
1291
01:09:09,728 --> 01:09:11,728
They want to sell the widget.
They want to move the product.
1292
01:09:11,897 --> 01:09:14,357
They want the cash register to ring.
They want
1293
01:09:14,525 --> 01:09:16,985
Some people like,
"We need something,
1294
01:09:17,153 --> 01:09:20,493
so this can be as good as anything."
I mean, it's kind of...
1295
01:09:20,656 --> 01:09:23,236
You know, this is kind of
Salam Mary who is crazy.
1296
01:09:23,409 --> 01:09:26,039
So these people enter,
buy the company
1297
01:09:26,203 --> 01:09:28,873
That's how they behave .
This is the result.
1298
01:09:29,039 --> 01:09:32,169
Carr: This company,
they pushed it into bankruptcy.
1299
01:09:32,334 --> 01:09:35,134
Randy Michaels
and the crew picked from 20 people
1300
01:09:35,296 --> 01:09:38,206
who did he know for a long time
has been extracted for a long time
1301
01:09:38,382 --> 01:09:40,632
something like
$ 100 million bonus.
1302
01:09:40,801 --> 01:09:42,681
You can contact that incentive
1303
01:09:42,845 --> 01:09:44,595
or you can call it looting,
1304
01:09:44,763 --> 01:09:46,513
depends on your perspective.
1305
01:09:48,267 --> 01:09:50,187
Yes, let's stop typing altogether
1306
01:09:50,352 --> 01:09:52,192
and just chat with us soon.
1307
01:09:52,354 --> 01:09:54,274
I have certain memos
1308
01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:56,570
the behavior of executives there,
1309
01:09:56,734 --> 01:09:59,114
and I just want to make sure
that it's true
1310
01:09:59,278 --> 01:10:02,068
In this memo
sent to the board ,
1311
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:05,069
There was an incident described
where Randy Michaels
1312
01:10:05,242 --> 01:10:09,162
"berbicara secara terbuka dan keras tentang
payudara wanita lain, mainan seks ...
1313
01:10:09,330 --> 01:10:13,580
not only in closed rooms
with other executives but openly...
1314
01:10:13,751 --> 01:10:16,881
He wrote an employee handbook
so the kind of conversation that
1315
01:10:17,046 --> 01:10:21,416
doesn't violate regulations. "
Is that all right?
1316
01:10:21,592 --> 01:10:23,762
I mostly did it
bankruptcy items,
1317
01:10:23,928 --> 01:10:26,098
and then I saw those poker photos
1318
01:10:26,263 --> 01:10:28,643
and I think it seems more like
1319
01:10:28,807 --> 01:10:30,637
a radio station in the 1970s
1320
01:10:30,809 --> 01:10:32,979
than big media companies.
1321
01:10:35,522 --> 01:10:39,152
Don't you think it will sell?
1323
01:10:44,031 --> 01:10:45,531
and he puts it flat:
1324
01:10:45,699 --> 01:10:47,699
Who are they,
what they do, and so on.
1325
01:10:47,868 --> 01:10:50,198
- All in my
first note it
- Yeah.
1326
01:10:50,371 --> 01:10:53,041
I did two more
weeks of reporting,
1327
01:10:53,207 --> 01:10:55,877
maka saya akan mengambil satu minggu
untuk menulis dan menunjukkannya kepada Anda.
1328
01:10:56,043 --> 01:10:58,003
Carr:
Alright.
1329
01:11:07,429 --> 01:11:10,059
Stelter:
Tonight at 6:30, NBC will drive
1330
01:11:10,224 --> 01:11:12,234
in a convoy
with combat forces last
1331
01:11:12,393 --> 01:11:14,483
when they returned
to Kuwait
1332
01:11:14,645 --> 01:11:17,185
I don't think we know much about it.
We weren't embed,
1333
01:11:17,356 --> 01:11:19,646
partly because
we think this is a PR action.
1334
01:11:19,817 --> 01:11:22,107
What did you make of that idea?
1335
01:11:22,278 --> 01:11:24,358
they tried
for the choreography to come out here?
1336
01:11:24,530 --> 01:11:26,950
In my mind it will be easy
just to fly these trucks out.
1337
01:11:27,116 --> 01:11:29,616
They've been flying trucks for months
1338
01:11:29,785 --> 01:11:32,075
But in fact they want
to cross the desert
1339
01:11:32,246 --> 01:11:35,116
and bring reporters with them,
what does that mean for you?
1340
01:11:54,935 --> 01:11:57,015
That's perfect.
1341
01:12:02,568 --> 01:12:04,938
Man: So let's start,
please, with the media
1342
01:12:05,112 --> 01:12:06,902
Headlam:
The final battle brigade
1343
01:12:07,072 --> 01:12:09,452
in the war will occur
to cross the border
1344
01:12:09,616 --> 01:12:11,736
to Kuwait, as I understand,
1345
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:13,330
and there are embeds with...
1346
01:12:13,495 --> 01:12:15,115
"The Washington Post" is there,
1347
01:12:15,289 --> 01:12:16,789
"LA Times," NBC.
1348
01:12:16,957 --> 01:12:18,707
And we see if this
1349
01:12:18,876 --> 01:12:21,086
kind of final
war as we know it.
1350
01:12:21,253 --> 01:12:23,053
But this is complicated.
1351
01:12:23,213 --> 01:12:25,133
If this is just some kind of photo op...
1352
01:12:25,299 --> 01:12:28,339
I don't understand that this will come
from administration
1353
01:12:28,510 --> 01:12:31,720
or it comes from,
you know, military.
1354
01:12:31,889 --> 01:12:33,599
It seems like only...
1355
01:12:33,766 --> 01:12:36,096
so far I understand
it only comes from NBC
1356
01:12:36,268 --> 01:12:38,478
and other embeds.
1357
01:12:45,402 --> 01:12:47,572
They need "their mission
achieved" moments.
1358
01:12:51,575 --> 01:12:53,445
Okay, now what we won't do
is predictable, clear,
1359
01:12:53,619 --> 01:12:55,829
is what "The Post" and "LA Times"
will do with it
1360
01:12:55,996 --> 01:12:57,706
Keller:
Right, but you know.
1361
01:12:57,873 --> 01:13:00,423
Are there any , is the White House,
is the military...
1362
01:13:00,584 --> 01:13:03,544
who said this is the end of
combat soldiers in Iraq?
1364
01:13:07,091 --> 01:13:10,391
They say...
NBC said they would announce it.
1365
01:13:10,552 --> 01:13:13,812
In other words, NBC will announce it
tonight.
The implication of NBC is...
1368
01:13:18,268 --> 01:13:20,098
But why, < br /> if people know this is coming...
1369
01:13:20,270 --> 01:13:21,900
And that's why
the White House sent their email.
1370
01:13:22,064 --> 01:13:24,364
- Have I seen this anywhere?
- No, it's under an embargo.
1371
01:13:24,525 --> 01:13:26,685
This is completely confidential.
We are not permitted
to talk about it, that's why.
1372
01:13:26,860 --> 01:13:29,530
- When is the embargo broken ?
- hopefully 6:30.
1373
01:13:29,696 --> 01:13:32,366
Humans:
Okay, guys, thank you very much.
1374
01:13:33,617 --> 01:13:35,697
Okay, goodbye.
1375
01:13:42,668 --> 01:13:45,128
Good night.
This has been going on longer than the Civil War,
1376
01:13:45,295 --> 01:13:46,705
longer than World War II.
1377
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,220
Tonight, US combat forces
are out of Iraq
1378
01:13:50,384 --> 01:13:53,054
And, Richard, I understand
your report about this
1379
01:13:53,220 --> 01:13:55,100
at this hour tonight is
1380
01:13:55,264 --> 01:13:57,894
the official Pentagon
announcement, right
1381
01:13:58,058 --> 01:14:00,478
Richard: Yes, right.
Now we are together
1382
01:14:00,644 --> 01:14:02,734
the last American combat forces
1383
01:14:02,896 --> 01:14:04,016
We're with...
1384
01:14:07,443 --> 01:14:09,363
- Are you watching NBC?
- Yeah.
1385
01:14:09,528 --> 01:14:12,238
I think it's hallucinations.
Brian Williams says
1386
01:14:12,406 --> 01:14:15,696
for Richard Engel
that your report is here from the field
1388
01:14:18,996 --> 01:14:21,576
the end of
combat forces in Iraq
1389
01:14:21,748 --> 01:14:23,618
And nothing
Pentagon Announcement
1390
01:14:23,792 --> 01:14:26,462
I mean I will end
the area you already know
1391
01:14:26,628 --> 01:14:29,708
But let me go back.
We tried to find out whether...
1392
01:14:29,882 --> 01:14:33,092
I didn't know that there was...
I mean, I didn't try to be difficult.
1393
01:14:33,260 --> 01:14:35,430
- No no No.
- Is there some sort of official...?
1394
01:14:35,596 --> 01:14:38,466
Thom Shanker in Washington
now calls the Pentagon again.
1395
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,560
If I don't think of all this
day, I will look at this and think,
1396
01:14:41,727 --> 01:14:43,517
"What just happened?"
1397
01:14:43,687 --> 01:14:45,017
- I mean...
- Headlam: You would think,
1399
01:14:47,816 --> 01:14:49,436
Fisherman:
So we just heard from Shanker,
1400
01:14:49,610 --> 01:14:51,360
who talked to the Pentagon
five minutes ago,
1401
01:14:51,528 --> 01:14:53,198
and he said there
nothing official today
1402
01:14:53,363 --> 01:14:55,073
What happened?
1403
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,120
Joseph Kahn: If that's the case
watching " NBC Nightly News, "
1405
01:14:59,369 --> 01:15:01,789
of some kind to commemorate
the final end of combat operations.
1407
01:15:03,749 --> 01:15:05,709
- That's news to the Pentagon.
- Hi, this is lan.
1409
01:15:09,671 --> 01:15:12,421
This makes it all the person here
is really crazy
1412
01:15:18,222 --> 01:15:20,102
I'll leave that to you.
1414
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,150
Pentagon or someone
call this mission...
1415
01:15:26,313 --> 01:15:29,233
That's the mission to cross
the border... "Last Patrol."
1418
01:15:36,782 --> 01:15:39,702
Fisher: The White House has bad luck
said it at the end of the month.
1420
01:15:42,704 --> 01:15:44,254
said it's at the end of the month. "
1421
01:15:44,414 --> 01:15:46,834
How do you cover it up?
a war that doesn't end?
1423
01:15:50,003 --> 01:15:52,633
ends with, like,
the helicopter leaves the roof of Saigon.
1428
01:16:00,389 --> 01:16:02,099
Headlam : Let me start
to prepare something
1429
01:16:02,266 --> 01:16:04,266
and let's talk again
in half an hour.
1430
01:16:06,603 --> 01:16:09,153
So I think we all stand up
around trying to find out
1431
01:16:09,314 --> 01:16:11,694
is this
a real story or a media story,
1432
01:16:11,858 --> 01:16:15,818
that isn't really... not too
flattering media reporters, isn't it?
1433
01:16:15,988 --> 01:16:19,368
" Stand up, we think
that actually happened. "
1434
01:16:19,533 --> 01:16:21,453
No, we didn't go
to write anything
1435
01:16:21,618 --> 01:16:23,698
There are still 56,000 in Iraq,
1436
01:16:23,870 --> 01:16:25,870
and the AP records correctly
1437
01:16:26,039 --> 01:16:28,079
that all are combat troops
1438
01:16:28,250 --> 01:16:30,420
until they are redesignated otherwise,
1439
01:16:30,586 --> 01:16:32,086
which actually never happened.
1440
01:16:32,254 --> 01:16:34,844
I'm just wondering if...
1441
01:16:35,007 --> 01:16:38,007
is our betters going
to come tomorrow and say,
1442
01:16:38,176 --> 01:16:40,296
"Wow, everything
covers this but us? "
1443
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:43,060
Eh, it seems like there is
no indication like that
1444
01:16:43,223 --> 01:16:44,563
Alright.
Good.
1445
01:16:44,725 --> 01:16:47,055
So I think we are good okay.
1446
01:16:47,227 --> 01:16:50,097
Headlam: I'm going to use
my combat helmet just in case.
1447
01:16:52,107 --> 01:16:54,647
Carl Bernstein: its function
from reporting and press
1448
01:16:54,818 --> 01:16:57,188
is the best
/> version of the truth
1449
01:16:57,362 --> 01:16:59,822
We're not out there
to overthrow the government.
1450
01:16:59,990 --> 01:17:02,330
We're not out there
to be prosecutors.
1451
01:17:02,492 --> 01:17:04,952
1452
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:06,580
1453
01:17:06,747 --> 01:17:09,367
And that's really what
happened at Watergate
1454
01:17:10,834 --> 01:17:13,294
Richard Nixon: In the past few months,
a member of my government
1455
01:17:13,462 --> 01:17:15,672
has been charged
with involvement in what has
1456
01:17:15,839 --> 01:17:18,129
come to know
as Watergate Affair.
1457
01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:20,890
We begin covering
Watergate story
1458
01:17:21,053 --> 01:17:24,143
The day after there was a break-in
at the Democratic headquarters,
1459
01:17:24,306 --> 01:17:27,346
and we continued to cover it
for more than two years.
1460
01:17:27,517 --> 01:17:29,517
In the first year,
1461
01:17:29,686 --> 01:17:32,266
we wrote more than 100 stories.
1462
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,569
Remnick: The story is not
one dam is broken
1463
01:17:34,733 --> 01:17:36,573
That is story after story after story,
1464
01:17:36,735 --> 01:17:39,525
and that is really quite a lot
owned by " The Washington Post. "
1465
01:17:39,696 --> 01:17:41,986
Reporter:
In the House of Representatives,
1466
01:17:42,157 --> 01:17:45,077
There are no left members who think
the president will not be fired.
1467
01:17:45,243 --> 01:17:48,833
It hurts me to say it.
I grew up with "The Washington Post,"
1468
01:17:48,997 --> 01:17:51,117
and you can't say it
1469
01:17:51,291 --> 01:17:54,751
that the paper is reduced,
1470
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,380
in terms of the scale of his staff
1471
01:17:57,547 --> 01:18:00,127
and his ambition, it hasn't affected him.
1472
01:18:00,300 --> 01:18:03,180
You will be joking yourself
to say it's only cut some fat.
1473
01:18:03,345 --> 01:18:06,965
, the economic condition
has made it a lower paper.
1474
01:18:07,140 --> 01:18:09,310
If that happens
in a serious way
1475
01:18:09,476 --> 01:18:12,396
to "The New York Times,"
it will be a terrible tragedy.
1476
01:18:18,110 --> 01:18:19,940
Keller:
You know, I got a Twitter feed
1477
01:18:20,112 --> 01:18:22,742
and read blogs about how media
1478
01:18:22,906 --> 01:18:24,866
will or won't cost in the digital age.
1479
01:18:25,033 --> 01:18:28,793
But sometimes they seem to have
everything comes down to a saying.
1480
01:18:28,954 --> 01:18:32,584
I'm not sure that I can boil it
all to some kind of "aha."
1481
01:18:32,749 --> 01:18:34,999
But I think
1482
01:18:35,168 --> 01:18:37,418
there is a sense of growing
1483
01:18:37,587 --> 01:18:40,587
of how many it's important
if "The Times" isn't here
1484
01:18:40,757 --> 01:18:43,177
news organizations that deploy resources
1485
01:18:43,343 --> 01:18:45,473
to really gather
information is very important
1486
01:18:45,637 --> 01:18:47,807
towards a functioning democracy.
1487
01:18:47,973 --> 01:18:51,183
It doesn't work
if people don't know
1488
01:18:52,894 --> 01:18:55,234
When you read
"The New York Times "today,
1489
01:18:55,397 --> 01:18:58,067
in the business section
you will see
1490
01:18:58,233 --> 01:19:01,193
obituaries
from the newspaper industry.
1491
01:19:01,361 --> 01:19:03,781
Jesus, how many pussies!
1492
01:19:03,947 --> 01:19:05,867
I'm not a newspaper person.
1493
01:19:06,032 --> 01:19:08,412
I'm a businessman.
1494
01:19:15,041 --> 01:19:16,921
Carr:
It's very important to remember
1495
01:19:17,085 --> 01:19:19,585
that's the consequence
of this bankruptcy
1497
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,470
In Los Angeles, in Chicago,
1498
01:19:26,636 --> 01:19:28,676
in Hartford, in Baltimore,
1499
01:19:28,847 --> 01:19:32,177
the reduction in the newspaper
paralyzed or destroyed
1500
01:19:32,350 --> 01:19:35,350
important community assets of the community.
1501
01:19:37,773 --> 01:19:40,323
Well, that will happen
a pretty rough story,
1502
01:19:40,484 --> 01:19:44,114
and I want it, uh... fair,
1503
01:19:44,279 --> 01:19:46,279
That's why I call you.
1504
01:19:46,448 --> 01:19:49,368
I mean if you want me
to characterize the whole story,
1505
01:19:49,534 --> 01:19:52,754
What I will say is this
is a company that overleveraged
1507
01:19:57,334 --> 01:20:00,634
hand over this kind
turn on the stick to Mr. Michaels.
1508
01:20:00,796 --> 01:20:02,796
Michaels brings a guy
1509
01:20:02,964 --> 01:20:06,094
from his career on radio
to help them.
1510
01:20:06,259 --> 01:20:09,349
Overall, many people
lose a lot of money
1511
01:20:09,513 --> 01:20:11,683
Employees get contributions.
1512
01:20:11,848 --> 01:20:14,268
Man on phone:
This seems like that
1513
01:20:14,434 --> 01:20:16,024
top-to-bottom ax work.
1514
01:20:16,186 --> 01:20:18,306
Where... where is the ax?
1515
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:20,060
I'm not... I'm... I'm not...
1516
01:20:20,232 --> 01:20:24,152
if there is a reply meeting, um,
1517
01:20:24,319 --> 01:20:27,279
I like to talk about it.
1518
01:20:27,447 --> 01:20:30,027
If there is a heroic narrative,
I like to talk about it.
1519
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,580
We haven't even to
into cultural issues,
1520
01:20:32,744 --> 01:20:35,294
which I'm sure didn't go
to please you at all.
1521
01:20:35,455 --> 01:20:37,865
Let's cut something
a little harder and fast.
1522
01:20:38,041 --> 01:20:40,041
On December 11, 2008,
1523
01:20:40,210 --> 01:20:43,300
Your board is accepted in a letter...
it's anonymous...
1524
01:20:43,463 --> 01:20:47,303
accuses a broad pattern
sexual abuse
1525
01:20:47,467 --> 01:20:52,717
has received oral sex < br /> on the 22nd floor balcony.
1526
01:20:52,889 --> 01:20:54,889
He also added that in a meeting
1527
01:20:55,058 --> 01:20:58,348
suggested it
his assistant entered
1528
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:00,940
and sexually acted
1529
01:21:01,106 --> 01:21:03,356
p>
1530
01:21:03,525 --> 01:21:07,065
to him to cheer him up.
1531
01:21:07,237 --> 01:21:09,947
This isn't 1977.
This is 2010,
1532
01:21:10,115 --> 01:21:12,985
and things like that
1533
01:21:13,159 --> 01:21:15,789
are material for the people
it works there
1534
01:21:15,954 --> 01:21:17,914
This creates a
work environment that people say
1535
01:21:18,081 --> 01:21:20,251
closer to the frat house
1536
01:21:20,417 --> 01:21:21,827
than media companies front line.
1537
01:21:22,002 --> 01:21:24,922
So it's there.
1538
01:21:25,088 --> 01:21:27,008
Headlam: 5,459.
1539
01:21:27,173 --> 01:21:29,883
Well, that won't happen.
1540
01:21:30,051 --> 01:21:32,681
Now every editor and writer
thinks they have good stuff,
1541
01:21:32,846 --> 01:21:34,556
but he really has good stuff
1542
01:21:34,723 --> 01:21:37,603
This is well written, < br /> very very sharply reported
1543
01:21:37,767 --> 01:21:39,517
It sticks to facts,
1544
01:21:39,686 --> 01:21:41,516
Fantastic quotes from people.
1545
01:21:41,688 --> 01:21:44,768
Your board looks
in this case ,
1546
01:21:44,941 --> 01:21:47,231
ask their law firm to call.
1547
01:21:47,402 --> 01:21:49,612
What do they conclude?
1548
01:21:49,779 --> 01:21:52,869
Man: I'm trying to find out
why is that important
1549
01:21:53,033 --> 01:21:55,783
Well, because... because
there are people who are out
1550
01:21:55,952 --> 01:21:57,872
billions of dollars in debt,
1551
01:21:58,038 --> 01:22:00,208
who will decide whether
1552
01:22:00,373 --> 01:22:03,503
current management is
will stay in place
1553
01:22:03,668 --> 01:22:06,128
There are judges who are there
will decide whether
1554
01:22:06,296 --> 01:22:09,416
they deserve the
bonus above table
1555
01:22:09,591 --> 01:22:11,971
I will see what I can find
and we will come back to you
1556
01:22:12,135 --> 01:22:14,845
Okay, you have both of my numbers,
so tell me
1557
01:22:23,104 --> 01:22:26,024
Headlam : What should I know?
before I listen to my message?
1558
01:22:27,233 --> 01:22:29,823
He is willing to start friendship.
1559
01:22:29,986 --> 01:22:33,656
I was raised extensively
sexual abuse.
1560
01:22:33,823 --> 01:22:37,243
So when he calls and says
I can't get this crap together...
1561
01:22:37,410 --> 01:22:39,870
I might have to get this.
1562
01:22:40,038 --> 01:22:41,788
- Yeah. < br /> - Alright.
1563
01:22:41,957 --> 01:22:43,617
You shouldn't be here.
1564
01:22:43,792 --> 01:22:46,502
Bruce Headlam.
1565
01:22:46,670 --> 01:22:48,000
How are you?
1566
01:22:48,171 --> 01:22:50,051
You have several things
go for you
1567
01:22:50,215 --> 01:22:52,465
He is one of the most
fair-minded people I know
1568
01:22:52,634 --> 01:22:54,764
That's one thing.
1569
01:22:54,928 --> 01:22:56,548
He is diligent reporter.
1570
01:22:56,721 --> 01:22:58,761
We don't do hit work.
1571
01:22:58,932 --> 01:23:00,682
That is none of our business.
1572
01:23:00,850 --> 01:23:03,980
The story that we are going through,
we are guided by reporting.
1573
01:23:04,145 --> 01:23:07,105
Let me talk to my boss,
see what they think
1574
01:23:07,273 --> 01:23:10,033
You talk to your boss,
see what they think
1575
01:23:10,193 --> 01:23:11,903
And maybe we can see it
1576
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:14,320
a little more feelingless
1578
01:23:16,491 --> 01:23:19,491
You have negotiated
this issue is excluded
1579
01:23:19,661 --> 01:23:21,831
from everything else.
And now suddenly
1580
01:23:21,997 --> 01:23:25,077
You want to expand the discussion
four hours before we close?
1581
01:23:25,250 --> 01:23:27,710
We are interested
in getting a response from you
1582
01:23:34,092 --> 01:23:35,842
They send a letter
1583
01:23:36,011 --> 01:23:38,051
from a law firm
1584
01:23:38,221 --> 01:23:39,931
This will stalk the position.
1585
01:23:40,098 --> 01:23:42,138
If we say we will go
to go with it,
1586
01:23:42,308 --> 01:23:44,728
then another letter will be
coming from a law firm,
1587
01:23:44,894 --> 01:23:47,524
and it will...
1588
01:23:47,689 --> 01:23:50,729
contains a threat of legal action.
1589
01:23:52,152 --> 01:23:54,032
They are worried
this is ax work.
1590
01:23:54,195 --> 01:23:56,355
Where are they worried
reporting starts,
1591
01:23:56,531 --> 01:23:57,871
all things like that.
1592
01:23:58,033 --> 01:23:59,953
Institutional muscles
1593
01:24:00,118 --> 01:24:01,908
will kick here
in some cases.
1594
01:24:02,078 --> 01:24:04,908
This isn't really up to me.
1595
01:24:26,811 --> 01:24:30,481
Bernstein:
We need institutions that have
1596
01:24:30,648 --> 01:24:33,188
their ability to be financially good
1597
01:24:33,359 --> 01:24:35,689
and culture
1598
01:24:35,862 --> 01:24:37,532
to bring news
1599
01:24:37,697 --> 01:24:41,737
that other institutions
and individuals cannot.
1600
01:24:49,167 --> 01:24:52,087
Carr: I think the
part of what happens with the conference now
1601
01:24:52,253 --> 01:24:55,013
is that some kind of loneliness
and scary out there
1602
01:24:55,173 --> 01:24:58,553
This is the way for such
to gather around the campfire
1603
01:24:58,718 --> 01:25:01,508
and say,
"We're fine, aren't we?
1604
01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:03,809
Are we good
1605
01:25:03,973 --> 01:25:06,523
We're fine.
1606
01:25:06,684 --> 01:25:09,654
We have to
we have a badge. "
1607
01:25:13,149 --> 01:25:17,949
- so
- What did you do for dinner?
1608
01:25:18,113 --> 01:25:21,493
I will eat
with AA people
1609
01:25:21,658 --> 01:25:23,908
- Oh yeah ?
- are you thin
1610
01:25:24,077 --> 01:25:26,997
How thin are you?
1611
01:25:27,163 --> 01:25:29,923
- 131.
- You're short now
1612
01:25:30,083 --> 01:25:33,003
- Yeah. < br /> - You used to be like six feet tall.
1613
01:25:33,169 --> 01:25:36,299
- At least me.
- Will that happen to me?
1614
01:25:36,464 --> 01:25:38,804
- Look, my neck has bowed.
- Yeah.
1615
01:25:45,807 --> 01:25:48,137
Carr:
Thank you very much.
1616
01:25:48,309 --> 01:25:50,349
Welcome David Carr.
1617
01:25:56,943 --> 01:26:00,403
You have lived through
cycles worst,
1618
01:26:00,572 --> 01:26:02,202
secular recession
1619
01:26:02,365 --> 01:26:04,775
publishing business
1620
01:26:04,951 --> 01:26:06,831
in modern times
1621
01:26:06,995 --> 01:26:09,075
Look around you. < br /> You are still here.
1622
01:26:09,247 --> 01:26:11,497
Don't think about
people who go
1623
01:26:11,666 --> 01:26:14,036
Think about people
who made it
1624
01:26:14,210 --> 01:26:16,090
This is a very big problem.
1625
01:26:16,254 --> 01:26:18,174
This shows,
number one,
1626
01:26:18,339 --> 01:26:20,719
that you are a group of
from tenacious bastards,
1627
01:26:20,884 --> 01:26:22,804
I will tell you that
1628
01:26:22,969 --> 01:26:25,599
You have proven you
cannot be killed
1629
01:26:37,901 --> 01:26:40,531
Carr: I always think
it is a bit caper
1630
01:26:40,695 --> 01:26:43,655
I finally worked
on "The New York Times. "
1631
01:26:43,823 --> 01:26:45,783
I don't think I'm destined
1632
01:26:45,950 --> 01:26:48,330
to be the best Timesman
ever
1633
01:26:48,494 --> 01:26:51,334
I just don't want
to mess it up
1634
01:26:51,497 --> 01:26:54,327
I will feel unspeakable
if "The New York Times"
1635
01:26:54,500 --> 01:26:56,840
ends
where it decreases,
1636
01:26:57,003 --> 01:26:59,553
but "The New York The Times "
is not necessary
1637
01:26:59,714 --> 01:27:01,844
a monolith to survive
1638
01:27:09,432 --> 01:27:12,392
Welcome everyone.
We are here to note the fact
1639
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,270
journalism is still alive
and good and full of enthusiasm,
1640
01:27:15,438 --> 01:27:17,478
especially at
"The New York Times."
1641
01:27:30,954 --> 01:27:34,214
♪ Just like a paper tiger ♪
1642
01:27:37,001 --> 01:27:41,171
♪ Cut off by bare hands... ♪
1643
01:27:47,887 --> 01:27:49,507
We'll see you soon
1644
01:27:51,516 --> 01:27:54,516
♪ Fix yourself when you still can ♪
1645
01:27:57,814 --> 01:28:03,944
♪ The desert is below us... ♪
1646
01:28:04,112 --> 01:28:06,702
I always find French posters
funny American movie
1647
01:28:06,864 --> 01:28:09,074
Orson Welles has size 28 waist.
1648
01:28:09,242 --> 01:28:11,492
It doesn't look like
any reporter I know
1649
01:28:11,661 --> 01:28:13,411
or anyone I see < br /> in the cafeteria,
1650
01:28:13,579 --> 01:28:15,459
even though we have
a salad bar
1651
01:28:17,959 --> 01:28:21,879
♪ Like a paper tiger ♪
1652
01:28:22,046 --> 01:28:24,666
♪ Di bawah sinar matahari ♪
1653
01:28:24,841 --> 01:28:28,761
♪ Look around
broken diamonds ♪
1654
01:28:31,347 --> 01:28:34,887
♪ To make the past what's supposed to be ♪
1655
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,359
♪ Passing
ruins and weather ♪
1656
01:28:44,694 --> 01:28:48,534
♪ Boats that are enlarged in the sea ♪
1657
01:28:52,452 --> 01:28:56,082
♪ The desert is below us ♪
1658
01:28:58,750 --> 01:29:03,250
♪ And the storm is above ♪
1659
01:29:05,340 --> 01:29:09,380
♪ Like a dog get lost go handicapped ♪
1660
01:29:11,554 --> 01:29:15,354
♪ Like a paper tiger ♪
1661
01:29:15,516 --> 01:29:19,016
♪ In the sun ♪
1662
01:29:26,778 --> 01:29:31,158
♪ We just hold on to nothing ♪
1663
01:29:33,534 --> 01:29:37,624
♪ To see how long nothing's going on ♪
1664
01:29:40,792 --> 01:29:44,802
♪ The desert is below us ♪
1665
01:29:46,964 --> 01:29:50,764
♪ And the storm is above ♪
1666
01:29:52,887 --> 01:29:57,347
♪ Like a dog get lost go handicapped ♪
1667
01:29:59,727 --> 01:30:03,857
♪ Like a paper tiger ♪
1668
01:30:04,023 --> 01:30:07,483
♪ In the sun ♪
1669
01:30:58,661 --> 01:31:02,501
♪ There's one way to morning ♪
1670
01:31:05,126 --> 01:31:09,376
♪ There's one way to the truth ♪
1671
01:31:11,757 --> 01:31:16,087
♪ There's one way back
to civilization ♪
1672
01:31:18,181 --> 01:31:22,231
♪ But there's no turning back for you.