0 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:20,000 1 00:00:35,234 --> 00:00:39,103 Heather: You are omniscient in human life. 2 00:00:39,105 --> 00:00:44,174 And you really are just sort of hovering above their area. 3 00:00:44,176 --> 00:00:47,410 And sometimes watching them for days, 4 00:00:47,412 --> 00:00:52,081 And then you will have intel that - that this person is a bad person 5 00:00:52,083 --> 00:00:53,549 And you will wait until he walks out 6 00:00:53,551 --> 00:00:55,350 Go to the field to meet some friends for something 7 00:00:55,352 --> 00:00:56,317 And you will blow it up. 8 00:00:59,187 --> 00:01:01,121 Drop fire missiles at him. 9 00:01:08,529 --> 00:01:10,496 Will you have any to drink tonight? 10 00:01:10,498 --> 00:01:13,465 Woman: Uh, yeah water. 11 00:01:13,467 --> 00:01:15,834 Alright, here it is. 12 00:01:15,836 --> 00:01:18,670 And the bottled water has returned if you want to take one. 13 00:01:22,541 --> 00:01:24,508 Thanks guys, have a good night. 14 00:01:32,149 --> 00:01:34,150 Heather: At first I was interested in the navy 15 00:01:34,152 --> 00:01:36,218 Originally because of the man I dated 16 00:01:36,220 --> 00:01:37,619 It's been in the navy. 17 00:01:37,621 --> 00:01:39,454 And I'm like, oh, maybe I'll just join the navy 18 00:01:39,456 --> 00:01:41,722 And you know, travel and see the world 19 00:01:41,724 --> 00:01:46,226 And fight for my country and protect people from terrorists 20 00:01:46,228 --> 00:01:49,629 And I finally become recruited into the air force 21 00:01:49,631 --> 00:01:52,531 Because I really saw posters with drones, 22 00:01:52,533 --> 00:01:54,332 And I'm like, wow That's so cool " 23 00:01:54,334 --> 00:01:58,602 Like a drone like that really badass 24 00:01:58,604 --> 00:02:02,505 And I still like it under the impression that america 25 00:02:02,507 --> 00:02:04,206 Is it saving the world? 26 00:02:04,208 --> 00:02:06,541 Like, we are indeed brother and us 27 00:02:06,543 --> 00:02:09,377 Helping everyone. 28 00:02:09,379 --> 00:02:12,246 So when I see this possibility
that I can exit from, 29 00:02:12,248 --> 00:02:15,282 Like this small town I entered, and left Pennsylvania 30 00:02:15,284 --> 00:02:16,683 And - and only travel. 31 00:02:16,685 --> 00:02:19,419 And - and I think so is one only way to do it. 32 00:02:19,421 --> 00:02:21,587 And they don't succeed It looks like you won't do it 33 00:02:21,589 --> 00:02:24,222 Be - it's the only choice of places to go 34 00:02:24,224 --> 00:02:25,189 Is Afghanistan? 35 00:02:32,897 --> 00:02:34,730 Humans: Titan 1-4 hold your position 36 00:02:34,732 --> 00:02:36,331 What do you have 37 00:02:36,333 --> 00:02:38,333 Unmanned aircraft
identify enemy snipers 38 00:02:38,335 --> 00:02:39,267 Understood. 39 00:02:39,269 --> 00:02:40,201 Let's move. 40 00:02:54,382 --> 00:02:56,616 Heather: I entered the previous military 41 00:02:56,618 --> 00:03:00,319 To be at massage school-- I came out two years ago. 42 00:03:00,321 --> 00:03:02,254 I was in air force intelligence. 43 00:03:02,256 --> 00:03:04,222 I flew unmanned aircraft. 44 00:03:04,224 --> 00:03:08,925 I am part of the unit that - we fought in Afghanistan, 45 00:03:08,927 --> 00:03:12,461 And I've lost friends for war 46 00:03:12,463 --> 00:03:15,864 I've lost friends to kill yourself That is part of that unit. 47 00:03:15,866 --> 00:03:21,568 And I've seen a lot of people die in war 48 00:03:21,570 --> 00:03:25,772 So for me I bring it Headache massage, 49 00:03:25,774 --> 00:03:28,841 And only absolute despair. 50 00:03:28,843 --> 00:03:31,643 And memories, like, terrible memories 51 00:03:31,645 --> 00:03:34,512 And along with that is anxiety 52 00:03:34,514 --> 00:03:36,280 Sleep disorders and disorders. 53 00:03:36,282 --> 00:03:40,284 And I think, you know, I come Here I think, unconsciously 54 00:03:40,286 --> 00:03:42,786 Looking for healing for myself yourself. 55 00:03:42,788 --> 00:03:46,289 To be able to search something in learning 56 00:03:46,291 --> 00:03:48,858 To cure other people maybe I can also heal myself. 57 00:04:05,508 --> 00:04:08,343 It feels like slow down motion, and rightly so 58 00:04:08,345 --> 00:04:10,578 Like, you're watching someone just drags 59 00:04:10,580 --> 00:04:13,347 on their own across the field. 60 00:04:16,584 --> 00:04:20,620 When you see someone During those dying moments, 61 00:04:20,622 --> 00:04:23,756 What are their reactions, how they react 62 00:04:23,758 --> 00:04:25,891 And what they do 63 00:04:25,893 --> 00:04:28,593 p> 64 00:04:28,595 --> 00:04:31,929 it's very primitive 65 00:04:31,931 --> 00:04:35,332 It's really raw, stripped down dead. 66 00:04:35,334 --> 00:04:39,669 That's what it is, this is real, like, 67 00:04:39,671 --> 00:04:43,739 This is not - this is no joke. 68 00:04:43,741 --> 00:04:46,441 I have special memories from many people Of those I know I was killed. 69 00:04:46,443 --> 00:04:48,443 But it's very messy and , like, they don't report it to us 70 00:04:48,445 --> 00:04:50,445 Who we kill 71 00:04:50,447 --> 00:04:52,547 Maybe we kill our destination, Maybe we kill that guy 72 00:04:52,549 --> 00:04:53,447 You don't know 73 00:04:56,517 --> 00:04:58,951 And I can say the drone program is wrong because I don't know 74 00:04:58,953 --> 00:04:59,952 How many people were killed. 75 00:05:05,024 --> 00:05:07,291 After us strike me will ask for a break 76 00:05:07,293 --> 00:05:10,494 And, like, go outside and smoke a cigarette and just think. 77 00:05:10,496 --> 00:05:12,362 And like, try
decompress and just try 78 00:05:12,364 --> 00:05:16,466 To push, like, that idea I was involved in a murder 79 00:05:16,468 --> 00:05:18,301 People got out of my mind 80 00:05:18,303 --> 00:05:19,735 And I tried not to think about it. 81 00:05:19,737 --> 00:05:21,837 Sometimes if I can't really come out 82 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,372 From a very long situation, I'll just go to the bathroom 83 00:05:24,374 --> 00:05:26,841 And - and fair sitting on the toilet 84 00:05:26,843 --> 00:05:30,044 Like just sitting there uniform, and just, like, crying. 85 00:05:30,046 --> 00:05:33,280 And think just what I did 86 00:05:33,282 --> 00:05:34,848 It's just different emotional response 87 00:05:34,850 --> 00:05:37,550 I mean many times afterwards I will feel just empty. 88 00:05:37,552 --> 00:05:41,987 And if I cry it because I don't know 89 00:05:41,989 --> 00:05:43,888 How do you stop such feelings? 90 00:05:43,890 --> 00:05:51,995 How to stop feeling like a shell and it's empty empty. 91 00:05:51,997 --> 00:05:55,398 And that - I'm as usual Trembling after we strike 92 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,868 Because it's like an adrenaline hurry, you kill someone 93 00:05:58,870 --> 00:06:04,405 You see someone die because of you say it's okay to kill them 94 00:06:04,407 --> 00:06:06,440 Man: This is the future and it's here 95 00:06:06,442 --> 00:06:08,775 Predator, it's just not giving up, not stopping 96 00:06:08,777 --> 00:06:10,810 This will find you, that will hunt you 97 00:06:10,812 --> 00:06:12,545 Man: You entered land control 98 00:06:12,547 --> 00:06:14,480 Station that is your cockpit. 99 00:06:14,482 --> 00:06:16,648 You immediately feel like you're on an airplane. 100 00:06:23,656 --> 00:06:27,859 Man: It's like, having an eagle or something 101 00:06:27,861 --> 00:06:30,795 Above your head, keep going -then land on your arm, 102 00:06:30,797 --> 00:06:32,363 Record what is happening 103 00:06:32,365 --> 00:06:34,331 Woman: Spy in the sky. 104 00:06:34,333 --> 00:06:37,367 Let's see what < br /> they need to see 105 00:06:37,369 --> 00:06:38,935 Man: this is really good feel that you 106 00:06:38,937 --> 00:06:40,436 help people around. 107 00:06:40,438 --> 00:06:43,005 That right why am I Think we all do it. 108 00:06:43,007 --> 00:06:45,007 Man: Being part of the air Strength makes me feel proud. 109 00:06:45,009 --> 00:06:47,442 And people say, thank you. 110 00:06:47,444 --> 00:06:52,747 That's when I remember that I did something bigger than me 111 00:06:52,749 --> 00:06:54,348 Daniel: before I joined the military, 112 00:06:54,350 --> 00:06:57,951 I was very realize that what I will enter 113 00:06:57,953 --> 00:07:00,853 Is that something I want? fight, which I disagree with. 114 00:07:00,855 --> 00:07:05,590 I joined several ways desperate because of me 115 00:07:05,592 --> 00:07:07,725 Is homeless , I am desperate. 116 00:07:07,727 --> 00:07:09,893 I have nowhere else to go. 117 00:07:09,895 --> 00:07:15,697 I am on my last leg, and - if - in the air force 118 00:07:15,699 --> 00:07:16,998 Ready to accept me 119 00:07:26,407 --> 00:07:29,375 I still work in intelligence, as a contractor, 120 00:07:29,377 --> 00:07:34,412 Basically until I go to school on - in the semester fall 121 00:07:34,414 --> 00:07:36,680 And I saw the top secret. 122 00:07:36,682 --> 00:07:40,116 I - that - after you were given a secret secret, 123 00:07:40,118 --> 00:07:41,917 This is good for five years, and then needed 124 00:07:41,919 --> 00:07:44,686 Updated every five years. 125 00:07:44,688 --> 00:07:48,456 And when I leave this job my permission will expire. 126 00:07:57,532 --> 00:08:00,700 Nobody thinks about speaking 127 00:08:00,702 --> 00:08:02,568 Against the government who works for them 128 00:08:02,570 --> 00:08:06,071 And hasn't considered what the consequences that might occur is. 129 00:08:06,073 --> 00:08:09,741 But I don't think of them because I don't - I don't want 130 00:08:09,743 --> 00:08:11,542 This affects my voice. 131 00:08:11,544 --> 00:08:16,079 I don't want it to silence me words, or to limit my speech. 132 00:08:16,081 --> 00:08:18,481 I usually feel like they don't - they are being 133 00:08:18,483 --> 00:08:21,517 Government, they become Department Judgment - 134 00:08:21,519 --> 00:08:23,519 They shouldn't hold up that power over me 135 00:08:23,521 --> 00:08:26,455 That unpleasant threat they will chase me, 136 00:08:26,457 --> 00:08:29,691 By the way the same as they did go after so many people, 137 00:08:29,693 --> 00:08:31,159 Especially since 9/11. 138 00:08:39,701 --> 00:08:41,535 I don't know what I am I'll do until I 139 00:08:41,537 --> 00:08:43,537 Made to the fort bragg, for joints 140 00:08:43,539 --> 00:08:45,605 Special operating command 141 00:08:45,607 --> 00:08:47,073 At that time I didn't really aware 142 00:08:47,075 --> 00:08:50,509 Important or important from the organization itself. 143 00:08:50,511 --> 00:08:54,646 I - I was only told by some people in the military, 144 00:08:54,648 --> 00:08:55,947 Oh they are, You know, type 145 00:08:55,949 --> 00:08:58,182 Like elite people special ops 146 00:08:58,184 --> 00:09:00,484 You hear about entering video games, and in movies. 147 00:09:00,486 --> 00:09:04,554 Dan it's actually responsible for the murder 148 00:09:04,556 --> 00:09:06,455 From osama bin sarat 149 00:09:06,457 --> 00:09:09,524 So I will look for targets use intelligence signals, 150 00:09:09,526 --> 00:09:12,493 you know - I was placed on fort meade, which 151 00:09:12,495 --> 00:09:13,494 Where is NSA headquartered? 152 00:09:13,496 --> 00:09:16,830 I have permission for NSA. 153 00:09:16,832 --> 00:09:20,633 I am so - You know , and nsa is intelligence 154 00:09:20,635 --> 00:09:23,736 The directorate handling intelligence signals 155 00:09:23,738 --> 00:09:27,172 So of course I want put in a position, 156 00:09:27,174 --> 00:09:31,576 You know, working overseas at a < br /> intelligence capacity signal 157 00:09:31,578 --> 00:09:37,982 And use technology on buzz through means 158 00:09:37,984 --> 00:09:42,119 From intelligence signals - sorry it's really very difficult 159 00:09:42,121 --> 00:09:43,620 This is very difficult. 160 00:09:43,622 --> 00:09:45,188 And I know the point and that's important for what 161 00:09:45,190 --> 00:09:48,224 I do and, like, I all the reasons to talk at here, 162 00:09:48,226 --> 00:09:52,194 So - but I'm also very unconscious where the line was drawn. 163 00:09:52,196 --> 00:09:56,698 And - so I have to be so very extraordinary 164 00:09:56,700 --> 00:10:01,135 Be careful what I can and can't say on camera. 165 00:10:01,137 --> 00:10:04,204 - even though something so simple, 166 00:10:04,206 --> 00:10:09,675 And so tame that you don't want Imagine that even from you 167 00:10:09,677 --> 00:10:14,112 Know, this is even a concern there is still - no - 168 00:10:14,114 --> 00:10:17,949 There is no doubt in my mind that if I say the wrong thing, 169 00:10:17,951 --> 00:10:21,252 Or give the wrong type what information about me 170 00:10:21,254 --> 00:10:28,859 Doing that I won't-- that I will be safe 171 00:10:28,861 --> 00:10:30,694 From any prosecution. 172 00:10:37,768 --> 00:10:39,168 Lisa: when I was first going into the military, 173 00:10:39,170 --> 00:10:41,203 I mean, I'm thinking it's a kind of win-win. 174 00:10:41,205 --> 00:10:42,938 That is power for good in the world 175 00:10:42,940 --> 00:10:45,874 I can really help people, I can go to places, 176 00:10:45,876 --> 00:10:47,175 I can learn many things. 177 00:10:47,177 --> 00:10:48,776 There is nothing negative about that 178 00:10:48,778 --> 00:10:50,878 At that time, that is my thinking 179 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,180 Or in my consciousness. 180 00:10:53,182 --> 00:10:55,949 And you know, I thought I would 181 00:10:55,951 --> 00:10:57,917 Being on the right side of history, and today I 182 00:10:57,919 --> 00:10:58,984 Don't believe me. 183 00:11:16,902 --> 00:11:20,003 I work on dgs, a distributed ground system. 184 00:11:22,740 --> 00:11:26,275 As the name implies, I mean, This is a distributed system. 185 00:11:26,277 --> 00:11:30,212 And that covers the world, and it takes data. 186 00:11:30,214 --> 00:11:34,716 Dan it eats a lot, and many, and many, data. 187 00:11:37,286 --> 00:11:40,921 It's global, this get information 188 00:11:40,923 --> 00:11:43,056 Wherever, anytime 189 00:11:43,058 --> 00:11:46,192 Shoot people from anywhere, anytime 190 00:11:46,194 --> 00:11:49,461 And it's not just one people sitting there 191 00:11:49,463 --> 00:11:53,164 With a little remote controls, a little joystick, 192 00:11:53,166 --> 00:11:56,800 Move around the plane halfway around the world 193 00:11:56,802 --> 00:11:59,969 That's not all there is. 194 00:11:59,971 --> 00:12:02,705 It's like a border it doesn't matter again 195 00:12:02,707 --> 00:12:05,107 And there is a big system that stretches 196 00:12:05,109 --> 00:12:10,445 A world that can only suck an endless number of your life 197 00:12:10,447 --> 00:12:13,414 Your personal data 198 00:12:13,416 --> 00:12:17,451 I mean this can grow to get out of control. 199 00:12:17,453 --> 00:12:19,786 And we are not the only who has this 200 00:12:19,788 --> 00:12:22,855 This will be normal, if not already. 201 00:12:30,930 --> 00:12:35,400 need water? 202 00:12:35,402 --> 00:12:38,102 This is a secret program, and what that means 203 00:12:38,104 --> 00:12:40,404 Is that I can't just leave shouting from the top of the hill 204 00:12:40,406 --> 00:12:42,439 Telling the public what is that. 205 00:12:42,441 --> 00:12:45,375 What can I say for me, 206 00:12:45,377 --> 00:12:49,312 One person who works In this big case, 207 00:12:53,250 --> 00:12:55,084 If I get this the sentence is very long. 208 00:12:55,086 --> 00:12:57,186 "sergeant lang is also pioneered emissions security 209 00:12:57,188 --> 00:13:00,956 and accreditation process for four coalition computers 210 00:13:00,958 --> 00:13:04,159 A network that allows exploits 2,400 sorties, 211 00:13:04,161 --> 00:13:08,463 And produce on time and accurate identification 212 00:13:08,465 --> 00:13:12,266 Of the 121,000 guerrillas targets are supported 213 00:13:12,268 --> 00:13:15,535 Operations, iraqi freedom, and freedom eternal. " 214 00:13:15,537 --> 00:13:16,769 And then it continues. 215 00:13:20,807 --> 00:13:28,780 That means that system that I work basically 216 00:13:28,782 --> 00:13:34,952 Identify 121,000 rebel targets 217 00:13:34,954 --> 00:13:43,960 p> 218 00:13:43,962 --> 00:13:47,263 121,000 affected lives the technology we control 219 00:13:47,265 --> 00:13:52,001 And in this case, we're talking about two years. 220 00:13:52,003 --> 00:13:58,373 So it's already how many years have we been fighting now? 221 00:13:58,375 --> 00:14:01,843 At least 12, multiply, add some numbers 222 00:14:01,845 --> 00:14:04,478 And see what is really happening. 223 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,047 Dear sirs, we thank for this beautiful day 224 00:14:07,049 --> 00:14:08,815 Thank you for everything, everything 225 00:14:08,817 --> 00:14:10,249 That's what you have given us. 226 00:14:10,251 --> 00:14:11,883 Bless this food and take care of our bodies. 227 00:14:11,885 --> 00:14:13,918 Give security to everyone on their journey 228 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,520 Amen. 229 00:14:16,522 --> 00:14:17,420 Dig 230 00:14:21,057 --> 00:14:25,960 Heather: I am an analyst image , and screener. 231 00:14:25,962 --> 00:14:30,097 My job is to watch what happened 232 00:14:30,099 --> 00:14:34,600 In the video - drone - live video of course 233 00:14:34,602 --> 00:14:39,037 And identify everything. 234 00:14:39,039 --> 00:14:40,972 Other tasks that are far away station - you will 235 00:14:40,974 --> 00:14:45,276 Have a pilot of course - who is flying an actual plane. 236 00:14:45,278 --> 00:14:51,481 And the sensor operator, who is moving the camera around, 237 00:14:51,483 --> 00:14:54,050 They are the people really pressing the button 238 00:14:54,052 --> 00:14:55,484 I didn't press the button . 239 00:14:55,486 --> 00:14:58,220 I only identified what requires the pressing button. 240 00:15:07,096 --> 00:15:10,331 We can't just bomb someone and fly away 241 00:15:10,333 --> 00:15:12,866 We have to follow up. 242 00:15:12,868 --> 00:15:16,169 The bomb attacks, and waits for to cool down a little. 243 00:15:16,171 --> 00:15:18,604 And then you can see, like parts of the body. 244 00:15:18,606 --> 00:15:21,106 You can identify, Like, it can be 245 00:15:21,108 --> 00:15:25,276 Be the lower part of his body, and it can be a leg. 246 00:15:25,278 --> 00:15:29,513 And sometimes you will do it hold on, and watch -guard 247 00:15:29,515 --> 00:15:31,381 The family enters and gets it. 248 00:15:31,383 --> 00:15:34,450 Or likes, take the parts, and put their family members 249 00:15:34,452 --> 00:15:36,218 In the blanket 250 00:15:36,220 --> 00:15:38,887 And some people hold it to the corner of the blanket, 251 00:15:38,889 --> 00:15:40,088 And bring him back to their compound 252 00:15:45,961 --> 00:15:47,594 I think mental health records , 253 00:15:47,596 --> 00:15:50,263 I'm at high risk suicide because of the way 254 00:15:50,265 --> 00:15:53,065 I'm acting about my job. 255 00:15:53,067 --> 00:15:55,467 My psychologist called my first sergeant, 256 00:15:55,469 --> 00:15:57,969 And he recommends it I might move 257 00:15:57,971 --> 00:16:02,306 For anything that doesn't involves watching 258 00:16:02,308 --> 00:16:04,308 People die all the time. 259 00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:07,678 And first sergeant said that our team is undermanned, 260 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,247 And that they really are need me to do the mission 261 00:16:10,249 --> 00:16:13,350 So he will look inside that, but never returned. 262 00:16:13,352 --> 00:16:16,453 Call my psychologist. 263 00:16:16,455 --> 00:16:18,922 And never gave him any indication 264 00:16:18,924 --> 00:16:21,190 That I will be moved to a better place 265 00:16:21,192 --> 00:16:22,925 Job and I obviously don't. 266 00:16:22,927 --> 00:16:25,227 I keep doing that work until the last possible moment 267 00:16:25,229 --> 00:16:26,661 When do they have to let I get out of the process 268 00:16:26,663 --> 00:16:30,297 Because I'm actually out of the military 269 00:16:30,299 --> 00:16:32,365 So I guess that's the cost of human life 270 00:16:32,367 --> 00:16:35,034 Because of the fact that is so on the suicide watchlist, 271 00:16:35,036 --> 00:16:37,569 And they still don't allow me to do anything else possible 272 00:16:37,571 --> 00:16:40,572 Help me, a little, clearly It doesn't matter to the military. 273 00:16:40,574 --> 00:16:43,508 And that - that shows how much is needed by the air force 274 00:16:43,510 --> 00:16:47,144 About the intelligence forces 275 00:16:47,146 --> 00:16:48,478 Look down the bottom there. 276 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,413 There is ice on the stairs too. 277 00:17:11,301 --> 00:17:13,468 You can know he will do it having a tense day 278 00:17:13,470 --> 00:17:18,139 If he calls me, and he will call me cry, or he will be angry 279 00:17:18,141 --> 00:17:19,740 But then he can't talk about that 280 00:17:19,742 --> 00:17:22,042 And then when you ask him, well you - can you talk to anyone? 281 00:17:22,044 --> 00:17:23,443 Another about that? 282 00:17:23,445 --> 00:17:25,511 Well, no, we shouldn't < br /> to talk to anyone 283 00:17:25,513 --> 00:17:30,182 So he's experiencing more and more problems 284 00:17:30,184 --> 00:17:32,617 Every day things go on. 285 00:17:32,619 --> 00:17:34,385 A mother knows this thing, and then 286 00:17:34,387 --> 00:17:38,989 When you hear your daughter talk to you on the phone, 287 00:17:38,991 --> 00:17:41,358 And you can know that he's in trouble 288 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:44,027 Only with emotion, and inflection 289 00:17:44,029 --> 00:17:46,095 In that pressure you can hear his voice. 290 00:17:46,097 --> 00:17:48,263 I know him inside problem. 291 00:17:48,265 --> 00:17:51,366 And the only thing I can do just keep in touch with him 292 00:17:51,368 --> 00:17:55,636 Every day, so he feels like he has someone there. 293 00:17:55,638 --> 00:17:58,071 Because I have a feeling that someone isn't there for him, 294 00:17:58,073 --> 00:17:59,472 He won't be here now. 295 00:18:06,479 --> 00:18:10,315 And his friends, many of them
being in the same boat with him. 296 00:18:10,317 --> 00:18:17,155 All drinking, all carrying on, trying to forget the pain. 297 00:18:17,157 --> 00:18:20,091 Heather: I & apos; ve-- I
just scared, I'm always scared 298 00:18:20,093 --> 00:18:22,593 All those little children just afraid to go out 299 00:18:22,595 --> 00:18:23,694 Woman: Now I want to 300 00:18:23,696 --> 00:18:27,097 To play a clip President Obama, 301 00:18:27,099 --> 00:18:31,034 Overcome our drone war in national defense 302 00:18:31,036 --> 00:18:33,169 University in washington dc. 303 00:18:33,171 --> 00:18:35,538 President Obama: And before there is a strike, 304 00:18:35,540 --> 00:18:38,374 There must be something close-up, that there are no civilians 305 00:18:38,376 --> 00:18:40,442 Will be killed or injured. 306 00:18:40,444 --> 00:18:42,710 Standar tertinggi yang bisa kita atur. 307 00:18:42,712 --> 00:18:46,747 Yes, conflict with al-qaeda, like all armed conflicts 308 00:18:46,749 --> 00:18:47,614 Inviting tragedy. 309 00:18:50,484 --> 00:18:52,718 But narrowly targeting our actions 310 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,253 Against those who want to kill us 311 00:18:55,255 --> 00:18:58,656 And not those they hide between, 312 00:18:58,658 --> 00:19:00,691 We choose actions 313 00:19:00,693 --> 00:19:04,260 At least it is possible to produce the loss of innocent lives 314 00:19:07,831 --> 00:19:11,834 Daniel: when did the president stand before the nation 315 00:19:11,836 --> 00:19:15,470 And say they did < br /> everything they can to make sure 316 00:19:15,472 --> 00:19:18,239 That is near-certain, it will be 317 00:19:18,241 --> 00:19:22,776 There are no civilians killed, he said that because of him 318 00:19:22,778 --> 00:19:24,778 Can't say the opposite. 319 00:19:24,780 --> 00:19:28,181 Because anytime an action is taken 320 00:19:28,183 --> 00:19:30,550 To complete the target there is a certain number 321 00:19:30,552 --> 00:19:32,585 As expected in that action. 322 00:19:32,587 --> 00:19:36,322 Because it is only after anything 323 00:19:36,324 --> 00:19:38,624 From the dropped weaponry, You know exactly how to 324 00:19:38,626 --> 00:19:41,093 A lot of damage has actually been done. 325 00:19:41,095 --> 00:19:44,596 And often we, the intelligence community, 326 00:19:44,598 --> 00:19:46,297 are dependents 327 00:19:46,299 --> 00:19:48,532 Special operations together command, including cia 328 00:19:48,534 --> 00:19:52,435 Depends on intelligence comes afterwards 329 00:19:52,437 --> 00:19:54,870 That confirms who they are targeting 330 00:19:54,872 --> 00:19:57,405 Killed in that case < br /> strike, or that they are 331 00:19:57,407 --> 00:19:58,539 Not killed in the strike. 332 00:20:03,778 --> 00:20:05,645 Lisa: we all know people die in battle 333 00:20:05,647 --> 00:20:06,846 We all know that. 334 00:20:06,848 --> 00:20:09,315 If not, we are diluted. 335 00:20:09,317 --> 00:20:11,750 The fact is, that these things, 336 00:20:11,752 --> 00:20:18,389 This device can run quite a lot without a hitch anywhere in the world 337 00:20:18,391 --> 00:20:20,591 And bullshit punch. 338 00:20:20,593 --> 00:20:27,597 And there is no single government body about how they are used 339 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:31,434 And that is something that will promote war, not prevent it. 340 00:20:39,508 --> 00:20:42,810 People really get the impact, besides that 341 00:20:42,812 --> 00:20:44,912 From people on the far end of the 342 00:20:44,914 --> 00:20:49,449 Beaten by this weapon, is all of these new recruits 343 00:20:49,451 --> 00:20:50,783 That goes in 344 00:20:50,785 --> 00:20:53,218 And you know, people who are being affected 345 00:20:53,220 --> 00:20:55,386 What are American children? 346 00:20:55,388 --> 00:20:58,355 People die, everything breaks down, < 347 00:20:58,357 --> 00:21:05,296 And people who are old 18 to 24 sit down and watch it. 348 00:21:05,298 --> 00:21:09,633 How can someone not find it annoying? 349 00:21:14,972 --> 00:21:17,306 Heather: Hearing politicians talking about drones, 350 00:21:17,308 --> 00:21:21,910 Being a precision weapon able to carry out surgical attacks, 351 00:21:21,912 --> 00:21:24,512 For me it's true silly 352 00:21:24,514 --> 00:21:27,948 This is really ridiculous even making the statement. 353 00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:30,517 This is as much as possible be with the people who operate 354 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:31,718 This is from all over the world. 355 00:21:35,289 --> 00:21:38,024 If they really think they can send a bomb through the window 356 00:21:38,026 --> 00:21:40,059 Compound and hit one militant, 357 00:21:40,061 --> 00:21:42,061 Then why do we see so many civilians 358 00:21:42,063 --> 00:21:44,463 Die because of collateral damage? 359 00:21:44,465 --> 00:21:45,730 I want to ask those politicians, 360 00:21:45,732 --> 00:21:47,598 Isn't it are they notified of that? 361 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,800 Don't they know what it is? happened in their own war 362 00:21:49,802 --> 00:21:51,034 That they control? 363 00:22:11,387 --> 00:22:12,987 Reporter: Our former drone 364 00:22:12,989 --> 00:22:16,056 Operators and analysts slammed America and British Militaries 365 00:22:16,058 --> 00:22:18,324 For fabrication incorrect information 366 00:22:18,326 --> 00:22:21,727 On civilian deaths and We lead drone wars, all over the world. 367 00:22:21,729 --> 00:22:24,863 Heather linebaugh has questioned it information accuracy 368 00:22:24,865 --> 00:22:26,798 Collected by drones < br /> "the video 369 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,933 As long as it's not Clear enough to be detected 370 00:22:28,935 --> 00:22:30,701 Militants from civilians." 371 00:22:30,703 --> 00:22:32,769 Former American analyst also says 372 00:22:32,771 --> 00:22:36,405 It dries in us on the battlefield not used as protection 373 00:22:36,407 --> 00:22:37,539 But more as a weapon. 374 00:22:45,848 --> 00:22:47,882 Heather: this is a perfect example of what 375 00:22:47,884 --> 00:22:51,819 It seems, it hasn't changed. 376 00:22:51,821 --> 00:22:55,956 This is probably the best you will get on a good day. 377 00:22:55,958 --> 00:22:57,923 That's why it's very difficult to make that choice 378 00:23:01,394 --> 00:23:04,929 I said there were at least two maybe, maybe kids. 379 00:23:13,004 --> 00:23:14,871 And then one of them escape. 380 00:24:52,902 --> 00:24:55,470 It's like, I care about because of what 381 00:24:55,472 --> 00:24:57,505 I've been - what I have looks like happened, 382 00:24:57,507 --> 00:24:58,839 I fellow veterans and so on. 383 00:24:58,841 --> 00:25:01,174 Like, what do I have Seen to happen to people. 384 00:25:01,176 --> 00:25:03,809 Like, my friends have suffered a lot 385 00:25:03,811 --> 00:25:06,178 I already have many friends It's like, oh, man, I 386 00:25:06,180 --> 00:25:07,979 Can't live with myself for what I did at iraq 387 00:25:07,981 --> 00:25:10,681 Like, I can't live with myself for the things I've done 388 00:25:10,683 --> 00:25:13,150 And no - this isn't just for myself 389 00:25:13,152 --> 00:25:15,852 Like, this isn't kind of like, self healing things 390 00:25:15,854 --> 00:25:17,186 For me. 391 00:25:17,188 --> 00:25:18,720 Like, I found more self healing through doing 392 00:25:18,722 --> 00:25:19,987 Massage and so on. 393 00:25:19,989 --> 00:25:22,756 This isn't even that therapeutic for me 394 00:25:22,758 --> 00:25:24,991 Every time I do one of these I like it, 395 00:25:24,993 --> 00:25:27,727 I feel bad, because at that time I have to talk about it, 396 00:25:27,729 --> 00:25:29,495 And tell people about it and all kinds of things. 397 00:25:29,497 --> 00:25:32,865 And people consider my story mega important or whatever 398 00:25:32,867 --> 00:25:35,667 And that's - I didn't say this for like, 399 00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:38,703 The importance of myself. 400 00:25:38,705 --> 00:25:40,638 I say it because I need to say it, 401 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,240 Because I'm the other veteran friend too 402 00:25:43,242 --> 00:25:45,275 Drunk to spend time say what just about that, 403 00:25:45,277 --> 00:25:48,811 Or they don't exist anymore. 404 00:25:48,813 --> 00:25:51,013 Trying to only get people to change the way they see things 405 00:25:51,015 --> 00:25:52,848 And they're like, policy makers don't listen , 406 00:25:52,850 --> 00:25:54,749 Policy makers don't care 407 00:25:54,751 --> 00:25:56,684 This won't happen change anything 408 00:25:56,686 --> 00:25:57,785 So I'll put myself out there, 409 00:25:57,787 --> 00:26:01,188 Risk of being delayed sort of fbi 410 00:26:01,190 --> 00:26:03,056 Watchlist or whatever to just say 411 00:26:03,058 --> 00:26:06,692 That, yes, the drone program makes people feel bad 412 00:26:06,694 --> 00:26:10,762 Like, basically I say it The drone program can give you 413 00:26:10,764 --> 00:26:12,296 Post-traumatic stress disorder. 414 00:26:12,298 --> 00:26:14,031 That shouldn't be surprising. 415 00:26:14,033 --> 00:26:17,100 And like, for me only say something like that, 416 00:26:17,102 --> 00:26:20,002 And then people say it won't make changes. 417 00:26:20,004 --> 00:26:22,304 "You will be next snow next," 418 00:26:22,306 --> 00:26:24,773 Its just - it pisses me off. 419 00:26:24,775 --> 00:26:26,541 And it makes me not even want to try < 420 00:26:26,543 --> 00:26:28,709 Because if I'm going to get all of this is horribly awful attention 421 00:26:28,711 --> 00:26:32,546 From like, government and goods, what's the use? 422 00:26:32,548 --> 00:26:34,948 Like, if I end - if someone comes to my house 423 00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:36,783 And puts the bag above me hands and transports me away, 424 00:26:36,785 --> 00:26:39,786 Then what's the point of whatever I do 425 00:26:39,788 --> 00:26:41,921 Am I really changing? people's thoughts 426 00:26:41,923 --> 00:26:43,622 Or people just go to share it on facebook 427 00:26:43,624 --> 00:26:46,224 And then move together? 428 00:26:46,226 --> 00:26:50,695 I spend all this time 429 00:26:50,697 --> 00:26:52,063 Doing all this stuff and it can also 430 00:26:52,065 --> 00:26:53,998 Absolutely no 431 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,768 Like, I can lead a normal life, 432 00:26:57,770 --> 00:27:00,270 Spend time with friends, spend time with family 433 00:27:00,272 --> 00:27:03,072 And like, I spend all This time for this, 434 00:27:03,074 --> 00:27:05,207 That I don't know if anyone will care. 435 00:27:05,209 --> 00:27:09,811 And I don't know if anyone will be like , oh, well, let's 436 00:27:09,813 --> 00:27:11,779 Really care about the soldiers in the drone program 437 00:27:11,781 --> 00:27:13,247 Because according to to the left, we 438 00:27:13,249 --> 00:27:14,815 All a bunch of baby killers. 439 00:27:14,817 --> 00:27:16,149 And according to Right, it shouldn't 440 00:27:16,151 --> 00:27:17,683 Troubled because we don't 441 00:27:17,685 --> 00:27:20,786 Walk in Afghanistan. 442 00:27:20,788 --> 00:27:25,724 Facts exposed are dedicated to support whistleblowers, 443 00:27:25,726 --> 00:27:28,760 Whistleblowing, and independent journalism 444 00:27:28,762 --> 00:27:30,728 Next speaker, jesselyn radack, 445 00:27:30,730 --> 00:27:33,330 It is the director of a national security 446 00:27:33,332 --> 00:27:35,865 And human rights programs in the government 447 00:27:35,867 --> 00:27:37,666 Project accountability 448 00:27:37,668 --> 00:27:38,967 As a lawyer, he is represented 449 00:27:38,969 --> 00:27:40,735 Lots of whistleblowers. 450 00:27:40,737 --> 00:27:44,038 And I will mention just a few them, edward snowden, thomas 451 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,973 Drake, and john kiriakou. 452 00:27:50,311 --> 00:27:54,013 I represent seven people, investigated, 453 00:27:54,015 --> 00:28:00,185 Charged, or tried under cruel espionage actions. 454 00:28:00,187 --> 00:28:04,988 Prosecution espionage acts mostly occur in secret, 455 00:28:04,990 --> 00:28:09,225 And it's been brutal. 456 00:28:09,227 --> 00:28:11,727 I hope that will change. 457 00:28:11,729 --> 00:28:14,996 I hope that the whistleblower is /> protection will be extended 458 00:28:14,998 --> 00:28:17,198 To protect people in national security 459 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,302 And whose arena of intelligence has made all bomb bombs 460 00:28:21,304 --> 00:28:24,271 Disclosure, about war crime, about torture, 461 00:28:24,273 --> 00:28:27,173 About confidential supervision that you have heard 462 00:28:27,175 --> 00:28:29,642 About for the past decade. 463 00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:39,417 Heather: When "guardian" first thing happened, 464 00:28:39,419 --> 00:28:41,285 I was very scared because everyone started calling me 465 00:28:41,287 --> 00:28:43,920 A whistleblower and said like, This is another Edwardian snow land. 466 00:28:43,922 --> 00:28:45,922 And I didn't think I mentioned something classified, 467 00:28:45,924 --> 00:28:47,223 But then they started said like, him 468 00:28:47,225 --> 00:28:48,891 Mentioned his ability. 469 00:28:48,893 --> 00:28:50,926 Well most whistleblowers don't blow whistles 470 00:28:50,928 --> 00:28:53,295 In classification, and if they have access 471 00:28:53,297 --> 00:28:55,664 To be classified information, they 472 00:28:55,666 --> 00:28:57,966 Able to blow whistle on things 473 00:28:57,968 --> 00:29:01,169 Without ever getting into classified. 474 00:29:01,171 --> 00:29:03,704 And what you revealed it hasn't come out yet 475 00:29:03,706 --> 00:29:07,741 There are bad effects on terrible negative effects 476 00:29:07,743 --> 00:29:12,045 That this happened to the person who actually does the job 477 00:29:12,047 --> 00:29:15,181 And the innocent people are blown up, 478 00:29:15,183 --> 00:29:17,149 And legal reasons are shaky. 479 00:29:17,151 --> 00:29:19,151 I mean all three is the perfect storm 480 00:29:19,153 --> 00:29:22,821 From this cluster-fuck it we just call the drone program. 481 00:29:28,259 --> 00:29:32,128 From Pacifica, this is democracy now 482 00:29:32,130 --> 00:29:35,264 Americans don't take it strikes to punish individuals. 483 00:29:35,266 --> 00:29:37,099 We act against terrorists who pose 484 00:29:37,101 --> 00:29:41,236 A continuing and close threat to American 485 00:29:41,238 --> 00:29:43,905 And if there is no other government 486 00:29:43,907 --> 00:29:46,474 Able to be effective overcome threats 487 00:29:46,476 --> 00:29:49,109 Anchorwoman: In major address policy on Thursday, 488 00:29:49,111 --> 00:29:52,145 President Obama protects secret drone war abroad, 489 00:29:52,147 --> 00:29:53,746 But said parties unite country cannot 490 00:29:53,748 --> 00:29:56,281 Continue to spend what he is described as unlimited 491 00:29:56,283 --> 00:29:58,049 The global war on terror 492 00:29:58,051 --> 00:30:00,985 Obama's comments come someday after the attorney general Erik 493 00:30:00,987 --> 00:30:04,154 The holders confirmed we drone
strike has killed four of us 494 00:30:04,156 --> 00:30:06,322 Residents in Yemen in Pakistan. 495 00:30:06,324 --> 00:30:07,489 President Obama: Simply put, 496 00:30:07,491 --> 00:30:10,391 This strike has saved lives. 497 00:30:10,393 --> 00:30:14,828 Especially America & sos; s the action is legal 498 00:30:14,830 --> 00:30:18,097 We were attacked on 9/11. 499 00:30:18,099 --> 00:30:20,265 Within a week, congress was very much 500 00:30:20,267 --> 00:30:22,500 Give authorization to use force. 501 00:30:22,502 --> 00:30:24,401 People will do it defend the drone, and defend 502 00:30:24,403 --> 00:30:25,468 How to use it. 503 00:30:25,470 --> 00:30:27,269 They always say,
You know, they are - 504 00:30:27,271 --> 00:30:31,039 They protect the lives of Americans. Don't put them in danger. 505 00:30:31,041 --> 00:30:33,508 But what they really did was they only encouraged the commanders. 506 00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:37,411 They brave the decision makers because there is no threat. 507 00:30:37,413 --> 00:30:39,746 There are no direct consequences. 508 00:30:39,748 --> 00:30:41,280 They can strike, and they have the potential 509 00:30:41,282 --> 00:30:43,982 Kill this person they are very desperate to get 510 00:30:43,984 --> 00:30:47,485 And to eliminate it because how dangerous it is - 511 00:30:47,487 --> 00:30:51,255 Potentially dangerous -
they can do it for us. 512 00:30:51,257 --> 00:30:53,857 But if that happens, they don't kill that person 513 00:30:53,859 --> 00:30:55,825 Or there are some other people involved in the strike, 514 00:30:55,827 --> 00:30:57,326 And you got killed too, you know, 515 00:30:57,328 --> 00:30:58,994 There are no consequences for that. 516 00:31:03,999 --> 00:31:06,233 When it comes to high-value targeting, 517 00:31:06,235 --> 00:31:10,437 Every mission is to go after one person at a time. 518 00:31:10,439 --> 00:31:13,072 But there are others
killed in the attack 519 00:31:13,074 --> 00:31:18,444 Let's just assume that to be associate 520 00:31:18,446 --> 00:31:20,278 from targeted individuals. 521 00:31:23,548 --> 00:31:25,315 So long as they can be enough 522 00:31:25,317 --> 00:31:29,952 Get to know that everyone in Indonesia the field of view of the camera 523 00:31:29,954 --> 00:31:33,923 Is the man of military age - meaning anyone who is trusted 524 00:31:33,925 --> 00:31:39,027 For ages 16 or older - they are legitimate targets 525 00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:41,562 Under the engagement rules. 526 00:31:41,564 --> 00:31:44,531 If the strike occurs and kill them all, 527 00:31:44,533 --> 00:31:46,399 They only say that they get everything 528 00:31:51,571 --> 00:31:54,672 Woman: Ok, we'll take one more questions for john mccain 529 00:31:57,542 --> 00:32:02,978 Doesn't play have a girl is it military age? 530 00:32:02,980 --> 00:32:05,347 Crowd: Oh, great send her daughter 531 00:32:05,349 --> 00:32:10,251 Yes, how about sending you
john's daughter, how about that? 532 00:32:10,253 --> 00:32:11,919 Daniel: People often mix 533 00:32:11,921 --> 00:32:14,421 Rise in anti-drone movements. 534 00:32:14,423 --> 00:32:16,322 Try to say that we should only land drones, 535 00:32:16,324 --> 00:32:18,924 And we just eliminate it drones from our lexicon, 536 00:32:18,926 --> 00:32:21,326 And never let them to exist in the world this. 537 00:32:21,328 --> 00:32:23,127 It's too dangerous. 538 00:32:23,129 --> 00:32:26,096 And I'm not necessarily agree with them 539 00:32:26,098 --> 00:32:28,965 Because of drone to be part of life we 540 00:32:28,967 --> 00:32:30,266 Here soon 541 00:32:30,268 --> 00:32:31,700 They will be - Most likely they 542 00:32:31,702 --> 00:32:35,070 Akan melakukan sesuatu bahwa kita hanya bisa melakukan 543 00:32:35,072 --> 00:32:38,373 With the people on the previous plane. 544 00:32:38,375 --> 00:32:41,509 They will be like dust plants, or plant seeds, 545 00:32:41,511 --> 00:32:43,444 Or are doing humanitarian supervision 546 00:32:43,446 --> 00:32:46,947 For - during floods and disasters - 547 00:32:46,949 --> 00:32:49,249 To try and find victims. 548 00:32:49,251 --> 00:32:51,251 You know, they will be there, 549 00:32:51,253 --> 00:32:53,386 But there is also that other dangerous side 550 00:32:53,388 --> 00:32:55,588 For those who make war is so easy and so 551 00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:57,690 Convenient and very simple. 552 00:32:57,692 --> 00:33:00,592 That the person who has access to technology and access is 553 00:33:00,594 --> 00:33:03,628 For this ability just say, Well, why don't I use this? 554 00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:04,562 It's too easy. 555 00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:14,338 The most disturbing thing about my involvement in a drone 556 00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:19,743 What is uncertainty if someone that I was involved in a murder 557 00:33:19,745 --> 00:33:24,180 Or catch a civilian or not. 558 00:33:24,182 --> 00:33:25,047 There is no way to find out. 559 00:33:31,454 --> 00:33:38,425 Lisa: There's a bomb, they will drop it, it explodes. 560 00:33:38,427 --> 00:33:40,226 What then? 561 00:33:40,228 --> 00:33:42,761 Did anyone go there and ask someone's driver 562 00:33:42,763 --> 00:33:44,195 License? 563 00:33:44,197 --> 00:33:45,362 Excuse me sir, can you
I have your driver 564 00:33:45,364 --> 00:33:46,996 License to see who you are? 565 00:33:46,998 --> 00:33:49,331 I mean, does that happen? 566 00:33:49,333 --> 00:33:51,032 How can we know? 567 00:33:51,034 --> 00:33:53,567 How maybe to find out who finally lives or dies? 568 00:33:59,506 --> 00:34:02,741 Woman: Become a person, welcome to the commonwealth club. 569 00:34:02,743 --> 00:34:06,111 We have great privileges tonight has a chance 570 00:34:06,113 --> 00:34:09,013 Talking publicly stanley mcchrystal, who 571 00:34:09,015 --> 00:34:11,648 Has a very distinguished Career 34 years 572 00:34:11,650 --> 00:34:14,117 in American military. 573 00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:16,586 His last assignment is as commander 574 00:34:16,588 --> 00:34:19,121 From international security assistance force 575 00:34:19,123 --> 00:34:21,089 in Afghanistan 576 00:34:21,091 --> 00:34:23,024 No, commonwealth
club members, 577 00:34:23,026 --> 00:34:25,226 Join me in welcoming mcchrystal booth 578 00:34:30,398 --> 00:34:32,332 Stanley mcchrystal: Think about today's world, 579 00:34:32,334 --> 00:34:35,635 Dan You can get information from everywhere in real time. 580 00:34:35,637 --> 00:34:37,603 You can talk to anyone in your organization 581 00:34:37,605 --> 00:34:40,172 In my situation awareness -
of what we will call - 582 00:34:40,174 --> 00:34:42,274 We have about 12 screens on the wall, 583 00:34:42,276 --> 00:34:45,610 And they all show operations in real time - 584 00:34:45,612 --> 00:34:47,278 Full motion video we call it. 585 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,080 Like, live broadcast from predator, Unmanned aircraft 586 00:34:50,082 --> 00:34:51,381 Above them. 587 00:34:51,383 --> 00:34:53,416 So we can see every one of our operators 588 00:34:53,418 --> 00:34:56,285 Land in a helicopter, exit a vehicle, move on the target 589 00:34:56,287 --> 00:34:57,753 And because a < br /> system that we have prepared 590 00:34:57,755 --> 00:34:59,654 It works our internet is safe, 591 00:34:59,656 --> 00:35:02,423 We can hear every radio transmission 592 00:35:02,425 --> 00:35:04,191 And if I'm so sitting in Baghdad, 593 00:35:04,193 --> 00:35:07,360 I can hear radio transmissions from attacks in Afghanistan 594 00:35:07,362 --> 00:35:09,228 And if I want to, I can reach down 595 00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:13,265 And talk to sergeant x on the ground, 596 00:35:13,267 --> 00:35:15,233 On destination in Afghanistan. 597 00:35:15,235 --> 00:35:17,635 Now I never did that, but the technology 598 00:35:17,637 --> 00:35:19,703 Now allows you to do that. 599 00:35:19,705 --> 00:35:22,806 So the first thing understands that is deceptive. 600 00:35:22,808 --> 00:35:25,408 It's tempting and cheating because if you see something 601 00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:27,276 In two dimensions, you can that opinion of you 602 00:35:27,278 --> 00:35:29,278 With 10,000 feet, you look at this photo, 603 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,413 You know what happened. 604 00:35:31,415 --> 00:35:32,680 You don't know what happened, you know 605 00:35:32,682 --> 00:35:34,281 What you see in two dimensions. 606 00:35:42,856 --> 00:35:43,789 Lisa? 607 00:35:43,791 --> 00:35:45,123 L -aku-sa? 608 00:35:45,125 --> 00:35:45,790 Yes. 609 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,594 And me - 610 00:35:50,596 --> 00:35:52,329 Continue with the question, please 611 00:35:52,331 --> 00:35:53,630 Ok, so I'm very curious. 612 00:35:53,632 --> 00:35:56,432 I understand that you are a little 613 00:35:56,434 --> 00:35:58,400 Beware of the drone program. 614 00:35:58,402 --> 00:36:03,405 And I wonder what the view of the program is. 615 00:36:03,407 --> 00:36:06,875 Yes, I think the drones are here to stay and they need to. 616 00:36:06,877 --> 00:36:09,878 But you have to understand how do people pursue something 617 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,615 So it's one thing to do something, but that's another one to get angry 618 00:36:13,617 --> 00:36:15,717 A population in the process. 619 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,652 So I think you should do it make a value decision. 620 00:36:17,654 --> 00:36:20,254 You have to say - in each case you have to make 621 00:36:20,256 --> 00:36:22,322 Decision - is it feasible? 622 00:36:22,324 --> 00:36:26,693 Because you will create some bad intentions in the process. 623 00:36:26,695 --> 00:36:30,363 I also think we need to < br> explain to the world better 624 00:36:30,365 --> 00:36:31,864 But again I'm not one of them people who think 625 00:36:31,866 --> 00:36:33,165 This won't be there. 626 00:36:33,167 --> 00:36:33,899 I mean, technology-- - Oh no. 627 00:36:33,901 --> 00:36:35,467 - no return 628 00:36:35,469 --> 00:36:36,568 That's not - yes, Once out of the bag, 629 00:36:36,570 --> 00:36:38,336 This is outside the bag. 630 00:36:38,338 --> 00:36:41,405 And it is immoral or moral, but it must be understood. 631 00:36:41,407 --> 00:36:42,873 And that must happen explained to people, 632 00:36:42,875 --> 00:36:44,774 And it must be carefully used. 633 00:36:44,776 --> 00:36:47,376 I just think it it's important 634 00:36:47,378 --> 00:36:48,610 Well, I just want to say thank you 635 00:36:48,612 --> 00:36:50,311 I read your book and I really appreciate - 636 00:36:50,313 --> 00:36:51,745 Alright - a lot. 637 00:36:51,747 --> 00:36:53,513 - Understanding you - becoming afghan culture, 638 00:36:53,515 --> 00:36:54,480 And all that. 639 00:36:54,482 --> 00:36:56,315 It only touched my heart. 640 00:37:15,167 --> 00:37:18,202 Lisa: One of my neighbors, his name is, 641 00:37:18,204 --> 00:37:20,837 And he was born in afghanistan. 642 00:37:20,839 --> 00:37:25,575 643 00:37:25,577 --> 00:37:27,710 And he went there every year distributing seeds, 644 00:37:27,712 --> 00:37:30,279 And doing humanitarian work. 645 00:37:30,281 --> 00:37:32,581 And willing to take me this year 646 00:37:41,657 --> 00:37:44,892 And that is a beautiful thing. 647 00:37:44,894 --> 00:37:48,595 I am aware that Afghanistan is a dangerous place 648 00:37:48,597 --> 00:37:54,867 I am aware there really is Still a war going on there, 649 00:37:54,869 --> 00:37:59,404 I lost some of my humanity working in a drone program. 650 00:37:59,406 --> 00:38:02,907 And humanity is what is missing there 651 00:38:02,909 --> 00:38:06,844 And seeing this man as a human, 652 00:38:06,846 --> 00:38:10,681 This will be fun just look closely 653 00:38:17,989 --> 00:38:18,921 I miss you. 654 00:39:02,627 --> 00:39:04,661 Lisa: when will I meet People- this person, part of it 655 00:39:04,663 --> 00:39:07,330 Is making repairs for my participation 656 00:39:07,332 --> 00:39:09,965 In that program Big and big weapons 657 00:39:09,967 --> 00:39:16,371 System that kills more innocent people than the actual target 658 00:39:16,373 --> 00:39:21,642 There's no way I can do it redeem or change anything 659 00:39:21,644 --> 00:39:23,410 That I have participated. 660 00:39:23,412 --> 00:39:25,779 But if you have as much as possible 661 00:39:25,781 --> 00:39:27,981 Somehow give back to that country, 662 00:39:27,983 --> 00:39:29,382 That's what I want to do. 663 00:39:40,993 --> 00:39:42,727 Kataku, berikan kedua wanita itu. 664 00:39:46,965 --> 00:39:50,334 Lisa: I want to be able to help even just a little, 665 00:39:50,336 --> 00:39:52,803 By talking to someone who has been directly 666 00:39:52,805 --> 00:39:55,505 Affected by the drone program. 667 00:39:55,507 --> 00:39:57,306 And ask, what do you need? 668 00:39:57,308 --> 00:39:59,775 What do you want people to hear? 669 00:39:59,777 --> 00:40:02,344 Basically, how can I help? 670 00:40:02,346 --> 00:40:07,748 Because it becomes part of a weapon system can't help, 671 00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:09,416 That can only hurt. 672 00:40:22,663 --> 00:40:23,863 All: Hi! 673 00:40:23,865 --> 00:40:25,030 I'm finally here, sorry about that 674 00:40:30,636 --> 00:40:35,740 My feelings he moved to california is a mixture of emotions. 675 00:40:35,742 --> 00:40:38,843 I feel this an opportunity for him, 676 00:40:38,845 --> 00:40:44,848 But I'm worried about young a woman away from home, 677 00:40:44,850 --> 00:40:48,885 Without family support it can't be close. 678 00:40:48,887 --> 00:40:52,121 And if he needs help, that's will take time for us 679 00:40:52,123 --> 00:40:53,555 To get help to him. 680 00:40:56,525 --> 00:40:59,994 Ms. Heather: He has episodes at least one or two times a week, 681 00:40:59,996 --> 00:41:03,430 Seeing something, hearing a lot of things. 682 00:41:03,432 --> 00:41:06,032 But it's very difficult for us vets and our soldiers, 683 00:41:06,034 --> 00:41:08,768 And men and women get help. 684 00:41:08,770 --> 00:41:10,703 And with the drone people, they think 685 00:41:10,705 --> 00:41:14,373 That they didn't see the battle because they weren't overseas 686 00:41:14,375 --> 00:41:15,841 And that's not true. 687 00:41:15,843 --> 00:41:18,944 They saw a lot of combat, but no 688 00:41:18,946 --> 00:41:25,049 Requires it to be a consideration 689 00:41:25,051 --> 00:41:28,619 Not only my grandson who has difficulty getting 690 00:41:28,621 --> 00:41:30,487 The treatment he needs. 691 00:41:30,489 --> 00:41:33,156 I know he's trying to get help 692 00:41:33,158 --> 00:41:35,892 And he's having problems finding a therapist 693 00:41:35,894 --> 00:41:38,461 Untuk berbicara dengan karena mereka tidak memilikinya 694 00:41:38,463 --> 00:41:41,497 Appropriate security. 695 00:41:41,499 --> 00:41:43,566 And he's signed in a violation of law 696 00:41:43,568 --> 00:41:46,168 And can be jailed to even speak 697 00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:50,505 For therapists who wrong What really bothered him. 698 00:41:50,507 --> 00:41:53,975 And it made me a little angry at our own government 699 00:41:53,977 --> 00:41:58,079 To put this children through hell 700 00:41:58,081 --> 00:42:01,248 If we put our young people in an environment like this, 701 00:42:01,250 --> 00:42:05,585 We have an obligation to look after them, 702 00:42:05,587 --> 00:42:10,222 To help them make adjustment returns to normal life. 703 00:42:10,224 --> 00:42:14,159 And we don't do that, and that is embarrassing for us. 704 00:42:33,078 --> 00:42:34,711 Jesselyn radack: recent government this 705 00:42:34,713 --> 00:42:36,946 Contact two of whistleblower drones, 706 00:42:36,948 --> 00:42:38,814 Who do I represent 707 00:42:38,816 --> 00:42:42,017 Pemerintah, yang berarti kantor angkatan udara 708 00:42:42,019 --> 00:42:47,188 Special investigation and federal investigation bureau 709 00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:51,225 Contact them, tell them that they are in such a case 710 00:42:51,227 --> 00:42:53,860 From the list of terrorist killings 711 00:42:53,862 --> 00:42:55,561 In Heather's case, my understanding 712 00:42:55,563 --> 00:43:00,065 Is that the air force office special investigation 713 00:43:00,067 --> 00:43:04,169 Contacting his stepfather to deliver the message 714 00:43:04,171 --> 00:43:07,772 It's already known terrorist organization 715 00:43:07,774 --> 00:43:10,341 Has searched for its name. 716 00:43:10,343 --> 00:43:13,610 And on the one hand they say no 717 00:43:13,612 --> 00:43:16,679 Special or immediate threats. 718 00:43:16,681 --> 00:43:19,882 On the other hand, they are very solutions tailored for heather, 719 00:43:19,884 --> 00:43:24,619 That's what he needs tone down his social profile 720 00:43:24,621 --> 00:43:25,820 In general. 721 00:43:25,822 --> 00:43:27,621 And that includes writing op-eds, 722 00:43:27,623 --> 00:43:31,691 That includes usage from twitter and facebook 723 00:43:31,693 --> 00:43:33,793 It's not like heather's. It has come out screaming 724 00:43:33,795 --> 00:43:35,761 From the roof around the drone. 725 00:43:35,763 --> 00:43:39,131 But clearly the government is very aware of reality 726 00:43:39,133 --> 00:43:43,702 That he has written about the previous drone 727 00:43:43,704 --> 00:43:47,138 For me it's a blatant attempt by to silence the whistleblower, 728 00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:49,607 And that's no surprise that's what happened 729 00:43:49,609 --> 00:43:51,842 For very few people who have 730 00:43:51,844 --> 00:43:55,245 It's brave enough to be able to speak out against the drone program. 731 00:44:52,368 --> 00:44:54,402 Daniel: when they arrived, that's actually 732 00:44:54,404 --> 00:44:56,804 Just a few hours after I handed over my badge, 733 00:44:56,806 --> 00:44:59,840 And was finishing my last day. 734 00:44:59,842 --> 00:45:05,011 I got home, relaxed, I have poured a drink for myself. 735 00:45:05,013 --> 00:45:08,114 And someone downstairs knocked on the door, 736 00:45:08,116 --> 00:45:11,417 And instantly - both of them at the door, men and women - 737 00:45:11,419 --> 00:45:15,187 Accompanying fbi badges on my face, pushing me in 738 00:45:15,189 --> 00:45:19,791 To the kitchen, and immediately behind them 739 00:45:19,793 --> 00:45:22,827 Come - I'll say about 20 agents - basically everything 740 00:45:22,829 --> 00:45:24,895 With a gun pulled Somewhere, on body armor. 741 00:45:24,897 --> 00:45:27,364 And at this point I'm very scared 742 00:45:27,366 --> 00:45:30,033 I don't understand what's happening. 743 00:45:30,035 --> 00:45:32,301 By overall, I think there maybe at least 30 744 00:45:32,303 --> 00:45:34,803 The 50 agents enter and exit the house at a different point 745 00:45:34,805 --> 00:45:37,071 All night long, take photos in each room, 746 00:45:37,073 --> 00:45:39,740 And from everything, look for for different things. 747 00:45:39,742 --> 00:45:42,943 Once it's done, they go and I 748 00:45:42,945 --> 00:45:44,477 Bahkan tidak ada telepon pada saya. 749 00:45:44,479 --> 00:45:49,848 So I have maintained the number - one of the agents allowed me 750 00:45:49,850 --> 00:45:53,251 To take the number from my cellphone - 751 00:45:53,253 --> 00:45:58,155 And then I use it to call < br /> my friends are asked to ask them 752 00:45:58,157 --> 00:46:01,725 If they can - if they can help me connect 753 00:46:01,727 --> 00:46:04,294 With - right people who know 754 00:46:04,296 --> 00:46:07,797 How - it knows how to handle with this type of case 755 00:46:07,799 --> 00:46:13,168 Once I get in touch with daniel, we meet in one location 756 00:46:13,170 --> 00:46:16,871 And soon move to another location 757 00:46:16,873 --> 00:46:20,374 And he starts telling me what is going on 758 00:46:20,376 --> 00:46:23,009 And it becomes very it's clear that he 759 00:46:23,011 --> 00:46:25,811 Has become a subject to look for warrants 760 00:46:25,813 --> 00:46:29,748 That's what he brought with him and showed me 761 00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:32,917 And I compiled a lawyer agreement -client - 762 00:46:32,919 --> 00:46:38,155 The temporary - on a napkin so I can provide it 763 00:46:38,157 --> 00:46:40,857 Immediate representation and finally 764 00:46:40,859 --> 00:46:45,494 Able to do a full agreement with him, but he's scared. 765 00:46:45,496 --> 00:46:53,501 Everything we know is so far between me and my lawyer, 766 00:46:53,503 --> 00:46:54,902 I've saved it here. 767 00:46:54,904 --> 00:46:57,237 And at essentially only the warrant 768 00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:02,141 That was issued that day, and the items they took. 769 00:47:08,081 --> 00:47:10,415 And so it was three orders were issued 770 00:47:10,417 --> 00:47:13,284 One for the room, from the house where I am, 771 00:47:13,286 --> 00:47:16,020 And the house itself. 772 00:47:16,022 --> 00:47:22,926 - there is a warrant issued by for me and a smartphone me, 773 00:47:22,928 --> 00:47:27,163 What I might have is mine 774 00:47:27,165 --> 00:47:33,035 There is this - there is one for my motorbike, 775 00:47:33,037 --> 00:47:38,472 And then there is a list < br /> everything they take. 776 00:47:38,474 --> 00:47:41,241 So the point is list for electronics, 777 00:47:41,243 --> 00:47:43,843 And there is a list for papers. 778 00:47:43,845 --> 00:47:48,447 Next is just a explanation of what they are looking for. 779 00:47:48,449 --> 00:47:50,415 So under category 1, "information and documents, 780 00:47:50,417 --> 00:47:53,985 In any format or media original , computer files, 781 00:47:53,987 --> 00:47:56,487 Copies, and manipulated that version 782 00:47:56,489 --> 00:47:58,889 Is owned by United States Government, 783 00:47:58,891 --> 00:48:00,924 Or agent of United States Government, 784 00:48:00,926 --> 00:48:04,827 Including NSA, Nga, JSOC, 785 00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:08,030 Department of Defense, Air Force Department. 786 00:48:08,032 --> 00:48:10,165 All confidential information, materials, or documents 787 00:48:10,167 --> 00:48:13,968 Defined in 18 uSC 1924. 788 00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:18,172 Become fifth department or body - 789 00:48:18,174 --> 00:48:20,240 But you see them - everything 790 00:48:20,242 --> 00:48:23,576 The place I have worked for 791 00:48:23,578 --> 00:48:32,183 793e, and 130a1, 130a2b, and 1924. 792 00:48:32,185 --> 00:48:34,251 So I have to really do research on that 793 00:48:34,253 --> 00:48:38,054 I should have done it < br>> that if I - if I 794 00:48:38,056 --> 00:48:39,321 More responsible for myself. 795 00:48:39,323 --> 00:48:40,855 But I'm pretty sure, you know, they are all 796 00:48:40,857 --> 00:48:43,324 Only intels in generic blankets. 797 00:48:43,326 --> 00:48:45,326 These are criminals investigations for espionage actions. 798 00:48:48,496 --> 00:48:53,099 The espionage action is one of them the most serious accuse you 799 00:48:53,101 --> 00:48:55,134 It can be an American fight level. 800 00:48:55,136 --> 00:48:58,203 It's like, betrayal, that's serious 801 00:48:58,205 --> 00:49:01,573 Because basically it's painting you're an enemy of the country. 802 00:49:01,575 --> 00:49:04,576 And that is David versus goliath struggle 803 00:49:04,578 --> 00:49:08,146 This is one person against all executives 804 00:49:08,148 --> 00:49:11,215 Branches united state government. 805 00:49:11,217 --> 00:49:12,549 And that the type of our strength 806 00:49:12,551 --> 00:49:15,451 It should be to reserve pursue our enemies, 807 00:49:15,453 --> 00:49:18,253 Not after people who is patriotic 808 00:50:10,506 --> 00:50:13,274 Lisa: We will meet some families who have 809 00:50:13,276 --> 00:50:18,245 Have been affected by the drone war. 810 00:50:18,247 --> 00:50:23,383 I want to respect them, and so I will back. 811 00:50:23,385 --> 00:50:30,122 Because I can't imagine how they will feel like meeting someone 812 00:50:30,124 --> 00:50:33,325 It works on the system that killed their child, 813 00:50:33,327 --> 00:50:39,564 Or kill their members family, or take a limb. 814 00:50:39,566 --> 00:50:43,234 So I'll be back, and 815 00:50:43,236 --> 00:50:46,403 Will be there and talk to them. 816 00:54:43,472 --> 00:54:45,272 Sensors: It looks like people on the back of pickup 817 00:54:45,274 --> 00:54:49,376 One, two, three, on At least five people so far. 818 01:03:46,841 --> 01:03:49,442 Look, this what pisses me off, 819 01:03:49,444 --> 01:03:53,012 Where is this fucking bastard like - 820 01:03:53,014 --> 01:03:55,080 They say on here dgs it is said 821 01:03:55,082 --> 01:03:57,148 Seeing women and children. 822 01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:59,483 They said dgs I should have seen it. 823 01:03:59,485 --> 01:04:01,485 We went to school for almost a year 824 01:04:01,487 --> 01:04:03,920 To be able to identify women and children. 825 01:04:03,922 --> 01:04:06,923 And this is - this is a daily thing. 826 01:04:06,925 --> 01:04:10,426 Where is the pilot and sos and all those creeched 827 01:04:10,428 --> 01:04:13,762 Constantly saying, no no dgs are unlucky, 828 01:04:13,764 --> 01:04:15,063 They don't see anything 829 01:04:15,065 --> 01:04:17,398 It's all happening it's time, and I will 830 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,100 Must really sit there argue with this dick head, 831 01:04:20,102 --> 01:04:23,069 And ask them to say it bad luck like this for people 832 01:04:23,071 --> 01:04:24,904 That I can't talk to. 833 01:04:24,906 --> 01:04:27,205 Because I don't have access to talk to them. 834 01:04:30,409 --> 01:04:33,511 God damn damn hated creech, because that's how it is 835 01:04:33,513 --> 01:04:36,247 Always trying to kill people. 836 01:04:36,249 --> 01:04:38,349 They always want it blow someone. 837 01:04:38,351 --> 01:04:41,151 And all these officers - the, 838 01:04:41,153 --> 01:04:43,887 Pilots, all these people - looks good on their resume 839 01:04:43,889 --> 01:04:47,123 If they kill more people. 840 01:04:47,125 --> 01:04:49,825 And then here they say that everything should be - 841 01:04:49,827 --> 01:04:53,428 Dgs are supposed to call this 842 01:05:01,403 --> 01:05:03,036 And then they just have blatant lies 843 01:05:03,038 --> 01:05:05,104 That dgs doesn't call any woman or child previous child 844 01:05:05,106 --> 01:05:11,142 Until now about a the hour before that 845 01:05:11,144 --> 01:05:12,443 They killed everyone. 846 01:05:12,445 --> 01:05:14,011 Dan dgs said, just before they kill 847 01:05:14,013 --> 01:05:15,012 They see kids. 848 01:05:20,117 --> 01:05:22,918 I know what - I know what the crew is doing this mission 849 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,453 And it's not in my headquarters, I can say it safely. 850 01:05:25,455 --> 01:05:28,589 Because I remember this - this sign, 851 01:05:28,591 --> 01:05:32,927 But this - this is not - this crew is not - this is 852 01:05:32,929 --> 01:05:34,528 Dgs is not with me. 853 01:05:34,530 --> 01:05:36,396 But they are ready up the same in terms of 854 01:05:36,808 --> 01:05:38,164 From that person they work, 855 01:05:38,166 --> 01:05:41,467 And that's just bullshit. 856 01:05:41,469 --> 01:05:43,101 There are these things here where 857 01:05:43,103 --> 01:05:48,573 The pilot is typing, " women are carrying small children, huh? < /p> 858 01:05:48,575 --> 01:05:50,041 M Maybe." 859 01:05:50,043 --> 01:05:52,109 And then the sensor operator said, "uh, yes." 860 01:05:52,111 --> 01:05:54,144 If you read dgs transcript - which will you 861 01:05:54,146 --> 01:05:56,146 Maybe it will never be able to grab your hand - you 862 01:05:56,148 --> 01:06:00,517 Will see terms and jargon, specially designed 863 01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:04,187 Make a brief statement and make them possible, maybe, 864 01:06:04,189 --> 01:06:05,588 Or confirmed. 865 01:06:05,590 --> 01:06:07,623 You won't see people say, "maybe it really is 866 01:06:07,625 --> 01:06:11,293 Little boy, "" uh, no know. "" uh, we think so 867 01:06:11,295 --> 01:06:15,397 Maybe a woman. "I can't talk about this 868 01:06:15,399 --> 01:06:19,033 Because it's classified, but now that I have this unclassified 869 01:06:19,035 --> 01:06:21,402 The thing that sits right in front of from my dickheads 870 01:06:21,404 --> 01:06:23,971 Saying all this is about us. 871 01:06:23,973 --> 01:06:28,175 we are the ones who should really try to stop 872 01:06:28,177 --> 01:06:29,476 They are all time bad luck. 873 01:06:29,478 --> 01:06:30,743 You don't need do it stop your own people 874 01:06:30,745 --> 01:06:32,344 From killing civilians. 875 01:06:43,655 --> 01:06:47,724 To big people Afghanistan, al-Salam alaykum. 876 01:06:47,726 --> 01:06:49,726 I have talked to president of karzai, 877 01:06:49,728 --> 01:06:53,563 And apologize to him and for afghan people 878 01:06:53,565 --> 01:06:56,532 I have institutionalized it thoroughly
investigation to prevent 879 01:06:56,534 --> 01:06:58,734 This happens again. 880 01:06:58,736 --> 01:07:02,537 We are very sad about this The tragic loss of innocent life. 881 01:07:02,539 --> 01:07:04,705 I explained it to us < br /> strength that we are here 882 01:07:04,707 --> 01:07:07,007 To protect afghan people. 883 01:07:07,009 --> 01:07:10,243 I promise to strengthen our efforts, to regain your trust, 884 01:07:10,245 --> 01:07:14,347 To build a brighter future for all afghans 885 01:07:14,349 --> 01:07:17,583 Most importantly, I Reveal the deepest, 886 01:07:17,585 --> 01:07:22,087 A heartfelt condolences to victims and their families. 887 01:07:22,089 --> 01:07:24,155 We all share sorrow, and we will save it 888 01:07:24,157 --> 01:07:25,656 In our thoughts and prayers. 889 01:08:55,877 --> 01:08:57,444 What did they say? 890 01:08:57,446 --> 01:09:00,213 You know, there are three buses full of people 891 01:09:00,215 --> 01:09:01,714 From this village. 892 01:09:01,716 --> 01:09:04,550 And one of the stories < br /> is that wife 893 01:09:04,552 --> 01:09:07,886 Lost - husband and small child. 894 01:09:07,888 --> 01:09:12,557 And he goes out with the child, and lifts up 895 01:09:12,559 --> 01:09:15,793 and shows the child to the helicopter, 897 01:09:18,798 --> 01:09:22,633 The family caravan goes somewhere. 898 01:09:22,635 --> 01:09:27,203 When he turns around around, it hits. 899 01:09:27,205 --> 01:09:28,470 They not stupid. 900 01:09:28,472 --> 01:09:30,505 They know, they know what exactly 901 01:09:30,507 --> 01:09:32,907 They know what a buzz is know what a helicopter is 902 01:09:32,909 --> 01:09:37,411 They say that the drone is - This is a plane from above, 903 01:09:37,413 --> 01:09:39,179 It has a camera, and they can watch 904 01:09:39,181 --> 01:09:41,648 And look and take information. 905 01:09:41,650 --> 01:09:44,450 They think snort not to attack. 906 01:10:44,977 --> 01:10:49,347 Jesselyn radack: Daniel is in the worst world 907 01:10:49,349 --> 01:10:53,984 Because the government clearly has espionage 908 01:10:53,986 --> 01:10:56,519 Investigating him. 909 01:10:56,521 --> 01:11:01,423 Dan now this sword dam depends on his head, 910 01:11:01,425 --> 01:11:04,626 It could be so indicted every day, 911 01:11:04,628 --> 01:11:11,432 Or many years from now for espionage because the government suspects 912 01:11:11,434 --> 01:11:16,236 that he is a source of information 913 01:11:16,238 --> 01:11:19,339 About the drone program that the government does not 914 01:11:19,341 --> 01:11:20,273 Want to go there. 915 01:11:28,648 --> 01:11:30,682 Daniel: I've discussed with my lawyer 916 01:11:30,684 --> 01:11:32,383 To a certain extent, everything I 917 01:11:32,385 --> 01:11:35,786 Think about this Investigation could be problem. 918 01:11:35,788 --> 01:11:38,488 Lots of it details that I only 919 01:11:38,490 --> 01:11:40,957 Can never talk about films. 920 01:11:40,959 --> 01:11:44,760 But what I'm going to say is that
that might happen with the fact 921 01:11:44,762 --> 01:11:47,729 That I am someone who has both worked 922 01:11:47,731 --> 01:11:50,932 For the intelligence community, and who is politically active. 923 01:11:50,934 --> 01:11:56,003 And because of that they suspicious of me - 924 01:11:56,005 --> 01:11:57,838 From my background 925 01:12:04,644 --> 01:12:07,545 When did you move here? 926 01:12:07,547 --> 01:12:08,546 Daniel: August 927 01:12:08,548 --> 01:12:10,347 Yes. 928 01:12:10,349 --> 01:12:12,449 You might remember back Like, August, I called you out 929 01:12:12,451 --> 01:12:14,717 I don't know where, and ask you about - yes 930 01:12:14,719 --> 01:12:17,553 So there long story for that. 931 01:12:17,555 --> 01:12:21,590 I'm fine, but that-that's a little legal issue 932 01:12:21,592 --> 01:12:23,325 No thanks - I just want thank you again for like, 933 01:12:23,327 --> 01:12:24,926 Available 934 01:12:24,928 --> 01:12:26,928 It's really very - like, if I can't catch you, 935 01:12:26,930 --> 01:12:28,496 I will - I don't know what will I do 936 01:12:28,498 --> 01:12:29,730 But-- - yes, anytime 937 01:12:29,732 --> 01:12:31,765 Yes thank you. 938 01:12:31,767 --> 01:12:34,033 But that's all - it's resolved? 939 01:12:34,035 --> 01:12:36,502 It's in the middle solved, hopefully. 940 01:12:36,504 --> 01:12:40,339 But as far as now concerned, I can't talk about it. 941 01:12:40,341 --> 01:12:43,575 Right now it's my biggest His attention - well, 942 01:12:43,577 --> 01:12:46,644 This is definitely not school, even though I'm on school 943 01:12:46,646 --> 01:12:48,946 And basically like At least - the problem 944 01:12:48,948 --> 01:12:50,480 At least I'm focused. 945 01:12:50,482 --> 01:12:52,482 Even though it should be priority number one 946 01:12:52,484 --> 01:12:56,586 I have now, but it's true now I'm just constantly 947 01:12:56,588 --> 01:13:00,690 Above my head and constantly thinking about what I said 948 01:13:00,692 --> 01:13:02,425 And what I'm saying is. 949 01:13:02,427 --> 01:13:06,629 And making sure I don't say something to someone, 950 01:13:06,631 --> 01:13:08,631 Is it a stranger, or someone I know, 951 01:13:08,633 --> 01:13:11,467 Someone I think I can trust, or I know I can't believe it 952 01:13:11,469 --> 01:13:13,402 I'm just - I'm always scared saying the wrong thing, 953 01:13:13,404 --> 01:13:14,936 The wrong time 954 01:13:14,938 --> 01:13:18,439 And I'm always guessing my words wherever I go 955 01:13:18,441 --> 01:13:21,742 I mean, I personally, like, I only live every day of trying 956 01:13:21,744 --> 01:13:25,645 To be more and more comfortable with the idea 957 01:13:25,647 --> 01:13:27,580 That might happen. 958 01:13:27,582 --> 01:13:29,882 That might be what I got charged and I might go 959 01:13:29,884 --> 01:13:31,917 To get a charge of committing a crime. 960 01:13:31,919 --> 01:13:34,052 And that is there maybe a real chance 961 01:13:34,054 --> 01:13:38,389 I have to fight for stay out of jail 962 01:13:38,391 --> 01:13:43,527 I think it's kind of funny - a It's a little ironic too - because that's 963 01:13:43,529 --> 01:13:46,897 Far away I might be the only adult man 964 01:13:46,899 --> 01:13:50,467 In all my family in the media and externally 965 01:13:50,469 --> 01:13:53,570 That hasn't been to prison so far 966 01:13:53,572 --> 01:13:59,642 So I come from a long lineage inmate, actually 967 01:13:59,644 --> 01:14:02,077 Very proud of the tradition of fuck- up 968 01:14:02,079 --> 01:14:07,615 Who is drunk, and goes driving, or sells pots, or, you know, 969 01:14:07,617 --> 01:14:09,750 Bringing a gun when it shouldn't 970 01:14:09,752 --> 01:14:12,953 Be carrying a gun on misplaced, wrong time 971 01:14:12,955 --> 01:14:17,057 A lot of that where - where I come from 972 01:14:17,059 --> 01:14:23,129 But I - I don't know. 973 01:14:23,131 --> 01:14:29,735 Is it scary to think about one day imprisoned? 974 01:14:29,737 --> 01:14:31,570 Yes, I don't have a good answer for that 975 01:14:31,572 --> 01:14:32,704 Because it's scary in prison. 976 01:14:32,706 --> 01:14:34,105 Yeah, that's him 977 01:14:34,107 --> 01:14:36,774 that's a fucking three minutes huh 978 01:14:51,622 --> 01:14:53,823 All clients I've represented - 979 01:14:53,825 --> 01:14:57,560 Even though I have represented them pro bono - we have to involve 980 01:14:57,562 --> 01:14:59,161 Criminal defenders. 981 01:14:59,163 --> 01:15:04,099 And all are owed by law more than a million dollars, 982 01:15:04,101 --> 01:15:09,837 And that usually only goes before the trial starts. 983 01:15:09,839 --> 01:15:11,905 Million dollars bills, it's not even 984 01:15:11,907 --> 01:15:14,707 Take you through at early trial 985 01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:17,876 So economical price only - no 986 01:15:17,878 --> 01:15:21,112 To mention personally the price of your relationship - 987 01:15:21,114 --> 01:15:23,547 Because you can't be spoken to your friends and family 988 01:15:23,549 --> 01:15:25,549 About what is happening 989 01:15:25,551 --> 01:15:29,119 You can't even talk to - theoretically - a therapist 990 01:15:29,121 --> 01:15:30,887 About what is happening 991 01:15:30,889 --> 01:15:35,858 The emotional costs of are indescribable - 992 01:15:35,860 --> 01:15:40,696 And it's not excessive to say that most of my clients 993 01:15:40,698 --> 01:15:44,132 Who is under espionage criminal investigation - 994 01:15:44,134 --> 01:15:48,769 It's not unusual for to finally be blacklisted, 995 01:15:48,771 --> 01:15:52,839 And go bankrupt, and it's broken. 996 01:15:52,841 --> 01:15:56,542 At least almost every one of my clients < 997 01:15:56,544 --> 01:15:58,844 Who should be taken care of? This has suffered 998 01:15:58,846 --> 01:16:02,180 From severe anxiety, and depression, 999 01:16:02,182 --> 01:16:04,615 And suicidal ideas. < 1000 01:16:04,617 --> 01:16:07,084 And in what matter can he actually do to him 1001 01:16:07,086 --> 01:16:10,720 He can be imprisoned for decades. 1002 01:16:22,999 --> 01:16:26,101 It's kind of - this is a Great day, but good too 1003 01:16:26,103 --> 01:16:28,837 Because, like, tomorrow I can get up and not think, 1004 01:16:28,839 --> 01:16:30,905 Like, I wonder when
I will hear from va. 1005 01:16:30,907 --> 01:16:33,507 Like, that - whether, You know, whatever it is 1006 01:16:33,509 --> 01:16:34,875 Decide at least I know that I don't have it 1007 01:16:34,877 --> 01:16:36,743 Worrying again. 1008 01:16:45,752 --> 01:16:46,985 I'm sure they don't want even know what 1009 01:16:46,987 --> 01:16:49,954 My job is in the military. 1010 01:16:49,956 --> 01:16:51,622 That will be interesting. 1011 01:16:51,624 --> 01:16:55,525 Because - they are, like, if it is a civil company 1012 01:16:55,527 --> 01:16:56,826 That they are outsourcing. 1013 01:16:56,828 --> 01:16:58,961 So they may be what will it be? 1014 01:16:58,963 --> 01:17:00,128 What is it - what is a predator? 1015 01:17:00,130 --> 01:17:01,896 What is a reaper? 1016 01:17:01,898 --> 01:17:03,764 So it must be interesting, and that might have to be 1017 01:17:03,766 --> 01:17:05,665 There are lots of things to do if I don't be my disability - 1018 01:17:05,667 --> 01:17:10,069 Don't get 1019 01:17:10,071 --> 01:17:11,036 We'll see. 1020 01:17:20,145 --> 01:17:22,079 I can see it enough parking. 1021 01:17:29,253 --> 01:17:31,153 I don't care about the money. 1022 01:17:31,155 --> 01:17:38,059 This about - it's about recognizing someone 1023 01:17:38,061 --> 01:17:42,063 Can see terrible things and still need 1024 01:17:42,065 --> 01:17:43,864 To talk to someone about it. 1025 01:17:43,866 --> 01:17:48,101 And still need to find out how to cure it from that 1026 01:17:48,103 --> 01:17:50,203 Without having to get shot, or without 1027 01:17:50,205 --> 01:17:52,271 Being in a war zone. 1028 01:17:52,273 --> 01:17:56,341 It's about understanding that People see traumatic things. 1029 01:17:56,343 --> 01:17:59,844 And that can affect they are the same as 1030 01:17:59,846 --> 01:18:01,812 If you are involved in traumatic things, 1031 01:18:01,814 --> 01:18:03,947 Because we are all directly < br /> involved in a drone program 1032 01:18:03,949 --> 01:18:05,014 Whether people think of them or not 1033 01:18:09,619 --> 01:18:11,086 But they will decide that for me. 1034 01:18:31,607 --> 01:18:34,709 When I enter I am like - I expect like, 1035 01:18:34,711 --> 01:18:36,677 Everything becomes them come up with an excuse 1036 01:18:36,679 --> 01:18:38,812 Why don't I have ptsd? 1037 01:18:38,814 --> 01:18:41,715 And the man sits , and he is very kind. 1038 01:18:41,717 --> 01:18:46,352 And he sits and he like, so I see 1039 01:18:46,354 --> 01:18:47,786 In your newspaper, it's It looks like you see 1040 01:18:47,788 --> 01:18:49,053 Many things are very terrible. 1041 01:18:49,055 --> 01:18:50,854 And he is like, he I have explained 1042 01:18:50,856 --> 01:18:52,388 Some of them and stuff, and I started crying. 1043 01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:53,956 And he was like, giving < br /> I am a network and he is 1044 01:18:53,958 --> 01:18:55,891 Just like, I am very sorry. 1045 01:18:55,893 --> 01:18:58,026 And he is like, I am very sorry You have to see these things. 1046 01:18:58,028 --> 01:19:02,030 And he's like, you walk too young for that, you know 1047 01:19:02,032 --> 01:19:04,499 This - it's very difficult and we will try to get you 1048 01:19:04,501 --> 01:19:06,067 The best help we can get. 1049 01:19:06,069 --> 01:19:10,104 And like, that - he's like you 1050 01:19:10,106 --> 01:19:11,839 Knowing that is good you come here 1051 01:19:11,841 --> 01:19:13,941 And I'm so glad you see a therapist regularly 1052 01:19:13,943 --> 01:19:15,075 And he's like, this is everything 1053 01:19:15,077 --> 01:19:16,409 That really can help you. 1054 01:19:16,411 --> 01:19:18,778 And he's like, I see a many people with ptsd 1055 01:19:18,780 --> 01:19:22,915 And he's like, I promise that won't always be like this, 1056 01:19:22,917 --> 01:19:25,217 You know, you will finally have 1057 01:19:25,219 --> 01:19:28,753 Days where this is much more easy. 1058 01:19:28,755 --> 01:19:30,955 He's like, hopefully, you know, you won't feel it 1059 01:19:30,957 --> 01:19:32,856 Like guilty like you, forever. 1060 01:19:42,132 --> 01:19:45,067 Daniel: this is true it's hard to - to describe 1061 01:19:45,069 --> 01:19:47,335 What that feeling is like. 1062 01:19:47,337 --> 01:19:52,339 You know, having that picture in your head, you know, 1063 01:19:52,341 --> 01:19:55,508 Just take live alone - like 1064 01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:58,010 This - that's not a good feeling. 1065 01:19:58,012 --> 01:20:00,145 This is not something people have to - 1066 01:20:00,147 --> 01:20:01,813 You have to deal with. 1067 01:20:01,815 --> 01:20:05,950 And - but even though - but we do it 1068 01:20:05,952 --> 01:20:09,820 However, we have that thought Sometimes when we are in place us, 1069 01:20:09,822 --> 01:20:15,492 Like, in our darkest place, we have to worry a lot 1070 01:20:15,494 --> 01:20:18,127 And the future is uncertain. 1071 01:20:18,129 --> 01:20:26,100 And we - you know, we feel guilty of our past actions, 1072 01:20:26,102 --> 01:20:27,434 Or something like that. 1073 01:20:27,436 --> 01:20:28,334 I'm not sure 1074 01:21:25,591 --> 01:21:27,625 Woman: A federal jury in Virginia 1075 01:21:27,627 --> 01:21:31,428 It has been proven by former cia officers jeffrey sterling of 9 crimes 1076 01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:33,430 Counts, including espionage. 1077 01:21:33,432 --> 01:21:35,498 Prosecutors accused sterling of leaking 1078 01:21:35,500 --> 01:21:37,967 confidential information for reporters 1079 01:21:37,969 --> 01:21:39,969 James rose from the New York Times. 1080 01:21:39,971 --> 01:21:43,138 Supporters of sterling were explained he was a whistleblower 1081 01:21:43,140 --> 01:21:45,106 But prosecutor claimed he was leaked 1082 01:21:45,108 --> 01:21:48,242 Information to complete the score with the agency. 1083 01:21:48,244 --> 01:21:50,210 Sterling was scheduled to be sentenced in in April 1084 01:21:50,212 --> 01:21:54,280 He faces maximum possibilities decades of imprisonment in prison 1085 01:24:36,108 --> 01:24:41,045 I was told that they forgive me for the part I played 1086 01:24:41,047 --> 01:24:49,619 And what happened < br /> they are amazing 1087 01:24:49,621 --> 01:24:52,755 And if you think about it These people are considered, 1088 01:24:52,757 --> 01:24:59,828 You know, military age, terrorists, all that, 1089 01:24:59,830 --> 01:25:01,362 You can see people's hearts. 1090 01:25:06,334 --> 01:25:10,370 I just want people Know that not everyone 1091 01:25:10,372 --> 01:25:13,239 A freaking terrorist, and we only need to 1092 01:25:13,241 --> 01:25:15,174 Get out of that mindset. 1093 01:25:15,176 --> 01:25:17,676 And we need to see this people as people, families, 1094 01:25:17,678 --> 01:25:19,711 Community, brother, mother, and sister 1095 01:25:19,713 --> 01:25:22,146 Because that's who they are. 1096 01:25:22,148 --> 01:25:24,748 Imagine if this happened happened to us 1097 01:25:24,750 --> 01:25:28,218 Imagine if our children walk outside their door 1098 01:25:28,220 --> 01:25:31,754 And it's a sunny day, and they are a sunny day afraid because they don't 1099 01:25:31,756 --> 01:25:34,590 Know that today that day is something 1100 01:25:34,592 --> 01:25:39,594 Will it fall from the sky and kill someone close to them. 1101 01:25:39,596 --> 01:25:40,595 How do we feel? 1102 01:25:46,635 --> 01:25:50,237 Daniel: I think as an activist will, I especially 1103 01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:53,406 Optimistic about the world, you know, for all cynicism, 1104 01:25:53,408 --> 01:25:55,674 Dan pessimism get out of me 1105 01:25:55,676 --> 01:25:57,509 I think that's when it really came 1106 01:25:57,511 --> 01:26:01,479 Down to it you only have - you have love for humanity. 1107 01:26:01,481 --> 01:26:03,614 Love for humans beings and each other, 1108 01:26:03,616 --> 01:26:08,352 That you believe that there is the possibility of change 1109 01:26:08,354 --> 01:26:11,888 And that other world is possible, as they say. 1110 01:26:19,196 --> 01:26:21,230 Heather: If I see an article about the drone program 1111 01:26:21,232 --> 01:26:23,432 Or something and , like, see how people 1112 01:26:23,434 --> 01:26:26,301 Talk about cold hearts killers, things like that. 1113 01:26:26,303 --> 01:26:29,470 That's me, like, it's my job 1114 01:26:29,472 --> 01:26:33,207 Of course, like, it's still me, that - you are your history, 1115 01:26:33,209 --> 01:26:36,343 But if you have it be aware at all, you know 1116 01:26:36,345 --> 01:26:37,844 That what you did was wrong. 1117 01:26:37,846 --> 01:26:40,847 And you know that the rest of your life 1118 01:26:40,849 --> 01:26:42,215 This will be like that. 1119 01:26:42,217 --> 01:26:44,917 You can't cancel what he did and you 1120 01:26:44,919 --> 01:26:46,919 Can't bring people back. 1121 01:26:46,921 --> 01:26:49,554 So that's something you live in. 1122 01:27:02,367 --> 01:27:05,202 Lisa: we are in United States, 1123 01:27:05,204 --> 01:27:10,372 And we joined in the foreign war 1124 01:27:10,374 --> 01:27:15,643 War abroad, and we don't have a connection for that 1125 01:27:15,645 --> 01:27:19,279 Besides cables, and keyboards. 1126 01:27:19,281 --> 01:27:25,384 Now if it doesn't scare bullshit from you - 1127 01:27:25,386 --> 01:27:29,855 It comes out of me - because then 1128 01:27:29,857 --> 01:27:33,725 One- only connection, why stop?