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What is the Children's Waste Pail?

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Trash Buckets
Children are pictures

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people who are
are a little worse

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than you...
but only a little.

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Pail Children's Trash
part of rival children

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1980s in a good
tradition

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Anti-authoritarian stickers
and jokes will be sold  with gum for,
I think it's a quarter.

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They take off
Cabbage Patch Kids dolls

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as a bit dirty
active character

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bubble gum stickers

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Remember, in 1985
we were still in the Cold War

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and this is a
Patch Cabbage child card

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to be nuclear.
And I'm like wow

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You know this,
means something.

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I know that.

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There are always smiles
they are on their faces  like something terrible
is going on but I'm still good.

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They are just jokes...

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There has never been more
a pleasant time to live,

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time to get up
wonder and heroic

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achievements, as they say
in the film Back to the Future,

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Where we go,
we don't need a road.

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If you don't like it
the subject of this next section,

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just think about this too
pass.
This is Jeff Greenfield.

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Just come
to a neighboring school

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and watch as the latest
mode sweeps directly

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in classrooms
and then across continents.

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Look at that
if you dare because

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most likely that
is what interests you

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young will
old appall.

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Latest
Core problems.

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Are you ready
for Children Trash Trash?

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* Dispose of like garbage

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* We party all the time

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* I can see you  * Party at
corner has apple juice *

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* Freddy Roberts on the guitar

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* We are
trash bucket kids!
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* We are
trash bucket kids!
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We start...

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Do you understand?
You are sure?

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I have to get this
from my hand.

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We just made it
to Art house, art studio.

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Do you want to hear that?

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Yes, I don't know, isn't it funny to talk about it?

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Hi, I'm Spiegelman Art.

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I am a comic artist.

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Um, and for decades I
worked for Bubblegum Topps

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The company makes a novelty
the items to be sold with gum

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and another
is famous for its projects

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I work with
Topps is a Trash Rubbish Child.

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And they're a
parody of Cabbage Patch Kids

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even though the lawyer
doesn't want to hear

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I said that.
But they are
the popular doll parody

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uh, that's uh, allowing children to destroy parents' refrigerators  and mocking each other and
excoriate itself for

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whatever the name, by
has their small first name

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below it is strange
these funny pictures,

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little uh, puppet kids.

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And they are becoming a trend  and Topps is basically something

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in the fashion business.

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At the top of the stack are
comic strip artists below

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is a comic book artist and
somewhere far below right before

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You hit the tattoo artist

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are people who work in Bubblegum Topps.

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Topps like, for me it
ends the road in Brooklyn,

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like real
south end.
And that

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maybe around 45-50 minutes
bus trip from where I live.

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Topps is in Brooklyn
then, in very, sort of,

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romantic area - good
from - good background for

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Film mafia, where they
put people in cement and goods

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and throw it into the river.
It is a warehouse and that road

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very cool.
And when you will go

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in
the building is like a bunker.

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Like there is
there is no window and I

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do not know.
It used to be really weird.

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This is endless, Xeroxed
a building that looks like that

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others go forever
and every direction near

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seaside.
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that kind of thing,
the stone road is there

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one building
looks like the other,

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except that, uh, separate
doll head on the road

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that you have to step

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while walking
and because of the place called

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Uneeda Doll is right
over the gum company.

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The Uneeda Doll Company.
And
yes, I mean you know in our trip

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to work with our coffee
our hands, we will walk

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path and
there will be a doll head

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like throwing litter
sidewalks.

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I'm sure it works
the way to us - to -

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into our work
after the afternoon.

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When I first went to Topps
Bubblegum to meet Len Brown,

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I don't know what to expect.
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so I took a dirty subway,
out to the slums of Brooklyn,

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walking on a gloomy road to this
strange factory building
I know

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it's Topps
because when I exit

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from the subway stop
I smell gum.

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That's unique because of that
gum made two flights above

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Our editorial
business office.

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When you approach us
builds like walking down

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way.
You can speak,

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and sugar dust
actually landed on your tongue.

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And you can
actually sweetness

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air and smell it, you know
from manufacturing.
You know

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You are approaching
Topps.
It is truly unique.

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I'm Len Brown.
I'm living in Bee Cave, Texas, and I

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working in Topps for 40 years and the last
25, I was creative  director in the New
Product Development Department.

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We started coming
into the candy business  in a much bigger way.
Bazooka uhh, our big

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chewing gum, I don't think
I mentioned that name.

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But Bazooka used to be
maybe number one  chewing gum
in the country

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at that time.
Previously
icons like America

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in the 50s and 60s.

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They are made as staple
gum, not even the best

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chewing gum
finally but they

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making bubblegum and
that allow them to become franchises

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to move to this
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And this guy who will do it
is very important for

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history
popular culture

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and of course for me,
is named Woody Gelman.

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Woody's task will come
with trading card ideas.

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Woody Gelman of course
Topps' creative core.

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He is a cartoonist.

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He is a story
and the first idea man

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for Disney and then
for Fleischer Brothers.

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Will return to the earliest
day, he helped create baseball  card and
rent all of this

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outstanding artists to work on
Topps products from people

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EC, Norm Saunders then Robert
Crumbs, Len Brown.
The list goes away  continuously.

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But then we started talking about our various products  can extinguish.

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And more, there
is the need for what they call

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non-sports cards.
They feel that
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really knocked
to be as good as we can.

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One of the first
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collectively is a civil war
series I think is around & apos; 61.

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We are ordered by
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Centennial civil war is coming
Let's take out the Civil War card

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and Woody and I both at first
thought it was a bad idea.

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That's education.
Children get it at school.

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Why do they
want a civil war card for?

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and Woody has the idea
well, we will make them want it.

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We will make them commit violence

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and bloody
civil war battle.

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We will show blood and stomach contents.

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And & apos; look
it was a big hit.

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And it's a
precursor to the Mars Attack.

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And it's a
precursor to the Mars Attack.

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The strange package
is a very important one

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the moment the Topps
pop culture is involved,

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grew out of
hanging out with Woody.

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Oh, Woody is the world
biggest collector, I mean,

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going to his house
the house is a real treat.

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it's like going to a large museum of pop culture.

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Items that are nobody
can see what it looks like

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all Little Nemo Sunday
pages.
Many are original.

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Many runs from

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Life
magazine when it's a humor magazine.

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All old Argosy,
Old Amazing Stories Pulps,

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a long trip Saturday Night
Post from the year & apos; 20s and & apos; 30s.

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And what
What Woody does is

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collect one run that
only lives as bound volume.

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Two runs that
he can separate.

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And then say OK-
this is Art Young's file.

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Here it is
File Harrison Cady.

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Here it is
File John Held.

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He likes to arrange
items at one time  when no one has
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I can't tell you how far
is outside this radar.

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That's not the
e-bay world.

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That is the world
where it finds it involved  just meet someone  happens to have a
stack in their basement, you know.

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And one day he brought
in many of these things

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to Topps on a
that day I was there

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and showed me and he said

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I love
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This is an advertising card

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from like in the 1890s and early 1900s.

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They will be the thing
will look like a tin

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or ear corn
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airplanes... whatever.

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And there will be an
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for something
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in the front is this very beautiful
twist

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print on light cardboard.

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He said you know us
must do this,

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said Woody.
I think
what he imagined was

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a bag a
pre die cut ears

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corn and apples with
bites taken and whatever  and something
behind.

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They are beautiful.
But you say

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what?
Like we did
make a box of cornflakes?

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or peas
with some peas in it?

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Well, yes it will be good.

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Well, isn't it better to do it like the way Mad did it  and doing parody of
these things,

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rather than
the real thing?

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I remember the back cover
one problem Mad has a spoof,

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a spoof of the
cigarette Salem.

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But I cut the size
package and show it to Woody

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and he likes
immediately.

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And he or she
Art suggested that

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and it should be
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Like a little
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So there is
a visual other than just

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gag word.
And I feel that

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the beginning of the
Wacky Package.

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Uh, Harvey Kurtzman,
the one who created Crazy,

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have also done this
kind of humanistic, if not

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anti war, at
least understand

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about the actual
war horror.

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War comics when
is equivalent to Sergeant Rock

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it will be interesting
pin grenade out of his mouth  and throw it
into the lime pile and say

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This is one of them
My Auntie Tillie!

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Meanwhile
Harvey Kurtzman comics war

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who are aware of
the fact that these are children

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arranged into war and
is being blown up

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do not know what
they have entered and they are

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life is
cut short as

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real tragedy in war.
It's
the highlight of the Korean War

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that they have become very popular

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but I thought
that the war was

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comics that
are never that popular

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when Mad becomes
which he created,

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are the people who teach
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And I really believe that they have to do many things  with 60 it's
when it's a lot

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members of my generation
said "Hell no, we will not go".

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Or "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many children did you kill today"?

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and the like
it's all born

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from Mad it
is counter-cultural influence.

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Because of Harvey
Kurtzman who created this object

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has created a new paradigm.

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That's kind of
self-reflexive, ironic humor

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who cut
1950s America is bland.

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It used to be
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All adults
the world lie to you.

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And we are here in Crazy
part of the world of adults.

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Son of luck.
Find out.

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It's like an
zen koan to work together.

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My name is
Mark Newgarden.

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I am a cartoonist.

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I come from Brooklyn, I was born
in Brooklyn, I live in Brooklyn

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and I am one of them
the creator of the Children's Bucket Trash.

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One of the initial
card trading matters

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What I did was they
revised the Wacky Package

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and this will happen
around the year & apos; 83 or

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& apos; 84, I think.

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And I started doing it

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quite early.

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I remember, Len and
I went to Toys R & Us, Us

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at Bay Ridge, one
day - up and

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down the aisles looking for
fat toys to be a travesty.

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And um, at that time,
Cabbage Patch Kids

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very hot
commodities and it looks like

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like very
clear things to put in

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So, I did one
which I gave the title

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The Garbage Pail Kids
and that kind of thing

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original
coining of that term.

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And today's problem
around this conference table

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what we are going to do

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Cabbage Patch Kids?

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What happened here?

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People fight over
something that gets hotter

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from Santa.
Cabbage Patch kids.

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Cabbage Patch exits.

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Cabbage Patch Kids
and become amazing.

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And we think
maybe we can

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get the rights to
do the Cabbage Patch Dolls

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on the card.
You know
E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E 00: 15: 57,157> 00: 15: 59,559
their picture with
names and all that.

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And we think
will be a good collection.

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And that's how they
are asking extraordinary questions,

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a strong amount of
money for the first Topps

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anything above $ 5
I will think, for a license.

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And the result is
it won't work  because they
ask for too much money  and it's too far
in the cycle of its own popularity

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Fun culture for
is guaranteed guaranteed.

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If you can
already get

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T-shirt, it's
not big enough  get a small
sticker.

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We are disappointed
and I think Arthur Shorin

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then say - Yah,
fuck them.
Lets do it.

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We will make fun of them.

293
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You know, we will parody them
like we did with the Wacky Package.

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Arthur Shorin
has a certain term -

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he has terminology for
various types of products.

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And one of his favorites is the type of product that must be made  is a fuck-you product.

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He said - let's
do you fuck

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product from
Cabbage Patch Kids.

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Stan Hart
has worked,

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back to the 1950s
at Topps and married

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Shorin family.
Brother at
the law of the CEO and Stan is

302
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Author Mad Magazine and did it before

303
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many TV writing programs
other things that Broadway plays.

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So at that time Stan,
in a rather imperial way,

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says Well,
we will only do a parody

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version.
We can
do your version of fuck.

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And then I and
Len looked at each other

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because it's very often
this is vague

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the statement from Stan
will leave us.

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And he's like
Stan, what is that?

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Uh, alright you
know we will only do it

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funny version.
OK.
Uh, and.

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We don't know
how to do more than one.

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I remember that Art or
was probably Len.

316
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I think it's Art
running back to the meeting

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room, the
NPD room where

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I'm sitting
doing something

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requesting paintings for
Cabbage - Children's Lung Trash

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we sat in a pile
and he ran back to Arthur

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and maybe one hour later
back to his room -

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Okay, we have to do this
series now.

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So that's how
from my point of view.

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And that's
Arthur Shorin's Decree now

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we have to do it
do this series.

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And the team - that
group that eventually became

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Artie Spiegelman
and Mark Newgarden, Stan Hart

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is this big tower
the sound of entering the office.

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Hello hello hello.

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This big guy works
on the Carol Burnett Show

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and have it
Emmy and all that.

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And there is Len Brown
as creative director  type, you know
pulls all these beans together

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and various artists who will be involved in it.

334
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And they will get it
together and hold a meeting

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and discuss where they are,

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how they went
to develop this parody.

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I am not part of it.

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I have never been a part of it
their temporary GPK team

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do that.
I
maybe you know

341
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write and edit
Howard the Duck cards.

342
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God help me
at that time.

343
00:18:51,764 --> 00:18:54,334
So at that time
the problem is how

344
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do you make a series of
these things because there are

345
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there aren't many
to build except

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This is a generic
doll indeed  It does have an adoption paper with
I t.
And one of those things

347
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works well back
in the earliest days

348
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when I was in Topps it was something called an ugly sticker.

349
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Before the Trash
Pail their Kids

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did the
Ugly Sticker series.

351
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And the first
they are just bad

352
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Basil Wolverton
characters that have names

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354
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kids should be on them.

355
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So it will be like an
creature ugly and it will be called

356
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Fred or Art or
Bob or whatever.
Except

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and it didn't work
at first because of them

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use the names of
people in the Topps office.

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So there will be these bad ones

360
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Stickers with
names like Maurice.

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You know.
Nelly or I
don't know if Nelly isn't used

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returned as
name.
They are not

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likes the name
norm, which is owned by an average child.

364
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They are like names for people who are in their 50s.

365
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So it's originally Garbage
Pail in the initial initial stage,

366
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Art sent to me
rough from a doll,

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00:20:14,747 --> 00:20:19,319
just a silly doll, that's the word
the name is Olga.

368
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So you know
could be that

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But, Art appears
with ideas about

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adjective plus names for
describe

371
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what is the representative or
what is the defilement.

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00:20:36,336 --> 00:20:39,339
You know, like
Leaky Lindsay is a small child

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his nose.
And that
is what works.

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That's how
they can  do thousands of these things for years.

375
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We immediately tried
to produce a concept

376
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it will work and
now looks like that

377
00:20:52,852 --> 00:20:56,356
it would be nice and
clear but at first it wasn't.

378
00:20:56,389 --> 00:21:00,293
So the style is all
over the place and then

379
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I keep doing ideas
sketch for them every few

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month to
update collection of ideas.

381
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And they like that
begin to develop into pages

382
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where I split
into a comic panel that doesn't

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connections to each other.
And I do the same thing...

385
00:22:13,866 --> 00:22:17,804
I like one, I see where
You will go with this person...

386
00:22:20,807 --> 00:22:24,043
So this room, three
a quarter of it is a studio.

387
00:22:24,076 --> 00:22:27,647
So Adam Bomb was born correctly
here - in this place here?

388
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Yes.
And 400 or
500 brothers and sisters.

389
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So in the fall of the year & apos; 84

390
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One day the phone rang.
And that is the Art of Spiegelman and him  says "Hi this is Art
Spiegelman from Topps and,

391
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John, you know
we know your work.

392
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Are you interested in doing some Wacky Packages?"

393
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,509
And one of them
is a child of trash,

394
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a little rough
I thought it was

395
00:22:58,778 --> 00:23:00,179
Mark Newgarden is rude.

396
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And, and a
little doll in the box

397
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398
00:23:05,885 --> 00:23:09,656
and which
makes it a small tramp

399
00:23:09,689 --> 00:23:13,159
t-shirts and
bins and so on.

400
00:23:13,192 --> 00:23:18,531
I do from & apos; 79
around & apos; 84, I do this

401
00:23:18,565 --> 00:23:21,534
fantasy paintings as
and comic cover.

402
00:23:21,568 --> 00:23:23,135
And I started...

403
00:23:23,169 --> 00:23:26,873
There is a period
several things happen.

404
00:23:26,906 --> 00:23:29,942
There is a gap
in my work in.

405
00:23:29,976 --> 00:23:34,481
and I also
think I really miss humor.

406
00:23:34,514 --> 00:23:36,949
For doing
fantasy art for me,

407
00:23:36,983 --> 00:23:38,818
I almost
have to pretend.

408
00:23:38,851 --> 00:23:43,590
In a different way
do a humor cartoon.

409
00:23:43,623 --> 00:23:47,093
And I only
remember saying I wish I

410
00:23:47,126 --> 00:23:48,995
can get some
humor work.

411
00:23:49,028 --> 00:23:53,032
So John sent us in.
only sheets and sheets of ideas.

412
00:23:55,535 --> 00:23:57,737
And out of everyone's work.

413
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:59,606
John is clear
the person is there

414
00:23:59,639 --> 00:24:00,973
only there are no questions
directly from the bat.

415
00:24:01,007 --> 00:24:05,578
This is like this
John.
This is John's job.

416
00:24:23,596 --> 00:24:25,532
I started working on it.

417
00:24:25,565 --> 00:24:28,668
And I'm not getting

418
00:24:28,701 --> 00:24:34,206
like six idea sketches
I found myself writing.

419
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,177
Looks like these items come
into my mind almost these ideas

420
00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:41,981
and think about Little
Monster?
I will start registering

421
00:24:42,014 --> 00:24:45,051
all monsters.
What about body fluids?

422
00:24:45,084 --> 00:24:50,156
I will make a list of words
and then I will do some photos.

423
00:24:50,189 --> 00:24:52,592
Now and then, How about
about walking dead?

424
00:24:52,625 --> 00:24:54,260
Because I
was done recently that year

425
00:24:54,293 --> 00:24:57,830
I have walked
dead cover for Twisted Tales.

426
00:24:57,864 --> 00:25:01,534
And I have a little
collage in me  sketchbook from somewhere

427
00:25:01,568 --> 00:25:02,869


428
00:25:02,902 --> 00:25:05,237
where is that
spoof on Ronald Reagan

429
00:25:05,271 --> 00:25:07,807
sitting at the table
pressing a button.
And I think

430
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,710
Hey, how about a little
kid pressing the button?

431
00:25:10,743 --> 00:25:12,712
and in the background
let's have an atomic bomb

432
00:25:12,745 --> 00:25:14,981
leave.
So I sent them in.

433
00:25:15,014 --> 00:25:17,684
There are a few
pauses and

434
00:25:17,717 --> 00:25:20,720
then I get a
phone call saying

435
00:25:20,753 --> 00:25:22,121
Hey John
we got a job.

436
00:25:22,154 --> 00:25:24,624
You think you can do it
44 paintings in

437
00:25:24,657 --> 00:25:28,060
two months?
And
is like the end of 1984

438
00:25:28,094 --> 00:25:32,832
and basically I
said Yes, I will try.

439
00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:34,333
You know me
is a little unsure because

440
00:25:34,366 --> 00:25:38,771
do fantasy art.
Everything
takes two to four weeks

441
00:25:38,805 --> 00:25:40,740
to finish it
painting and this

442
00:25:40,773 --> 00:25:43,075
like
real tooth changes.

443
00:25:43,109 --> 00:25:44,944
But John is a person who has meat  to make this object
look like a Topps product.

444
00:25:44,977 --> 00:25:47,346
The problem with that
it must be just as weird

445
00:25:47,379 --> 00:25:49,916
as an ugly sticker,
but as sweet as this

446
00:25:49,949 --> 00:25:55,287
Cabbage Patch.

447
00:25:55,321 --> 00:25:56,923
And that's a funny place to hit  because if it's really ugly - it's not funny.

448
00:25:56,956 --> 00:25:58,658
So it's trying to get

449
00:25:58,691 --> 00:26:01,027
John to be sweeter and cute
while getting uglier and uglier;

450
00:26:01,060 --> 00:26:03,229
it is a complex zone.
And finally something,

451
00:26:03,262 --> 00:26:05,898
maybe a lawyer
won't be happy to know

452
00:26:05,932 --> 00:26:09,068
uh, if they
work to maintain Topps

453
00:26:09,101 --> 00:26:12,639
but at some point I said
Can you see this

454
00:26:12,672 --> 00:26:14,741
Damn Cabbage Patch Dolls?

455
00:26:14,774 --> 00:26:16,776
They are far sweeter
than anything you have.

456
00:26:16,809 --> 00:26:18,344


457
00:26:18,377 --> 00:26:19,946


458
00:26:19,979 --> 00:26:22,281
It's just that, if you have to, just buy it  one of the dolls and I
certainly Topps will replace you.

459
00:26:22,314 --> 00:26:24,784
You know, and everything
suddenly returns correctly.

460
00:26:24,817 --> 00:26:30,256
Part of one of the things I will do  come on Monday
and I will get FedEx

461
00:26:30,289 --> 00:26:32,024
and I will
open FedEx John.

462
00:26:32,058 --> 00:26:34,293
I remember
like taking it

463
00:26:34,326 --> 00:26:37,329
the painting in the first batch
and thinking

464
00:26:37,363 --> 00:26:38,931
Geez, this is good.

465
00:26:38,965 --> 00:26:41,333
This is
very good.

466
00:26:41,367 --> 00:26:43,069
And only
has this feeling

467
00:26:43,102 --> 00:26:44,170
we go to
something special

468
00:26:44,203 --> 00:26:46,072
with series.

469
00:26:46,105 --> 00:26:47,674
And then it's a problem
_ coming  with other jokes
because someone doesn't make

470
00:26:47,707 --> 00:26:50,609
series even two
does not make a series

471
00:27:00,419 --> 00:27:01,988
if you can
come with three

472
00:27:02,021 --> 00:27:04,023


473
00:27:04,056 --> 00:27:05,725


474
00:27:05,758 --> 00:27:06,693


475
00:27:06,726 --> 00:27:09,261
You can come
as we prove it with 300.

476
00:27:09,295 --> 00:27:11,898
So I just thought I thought

477
00:27:11,931 --> 00:27:13,032
I have to do a painting a day  and... and that
means I have to get it

478
00:27:13,065 --> 00:27:16,803
methodically about
that's because I think

479
00:27:16,836 --> 00:27:18,204
if I don't have
I am very organized  this will happen
is being careless everywhere.

480
00:27:18,237 --> 00:27:21,207
So I thought, okay, let's break the painting a day.

481
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,843
OK -
must do drawing.

482
00:27:23,876 --> 00:27:26,879
Understood.
I need
to rough color

483
00:27:26,913 --> 00:27:28,414
so I know what it is
I did the heck for the effect.

484
00:27:28,447 --> 00:27:30,216
So that's... it's two
pieces of hours for pencils and colors.

485
00:27:30,249 --> 00:27:32,451
Then, then...
let's say I'm trying to be

486
00:27:32,484 --> 00:27:37,356
humane for myself,
So I said OK -

487
00:27:37,389 --> 00:27:41,694
do it, that means
the actual painting

488
00:27:41,728 --> 00:27:43,129


489
00:27:43,162 --> 00:27:44,897


490
00:27:44,931 --> 00:27:46,465
it will take four hours.

491
00:27:46,498 --> 00:27:50,302
So, you transfer,
do meat in one hour,

492
00:27:50,336 --> 00:27:52,872
do
clothes in one hour,

493
00:27:52,905 --> 00:27:54,073
do props
in one hour,

494
00:27:54,106 --> 00:27:55,742
do the background in one hour.

495
00:27:55,775 --> 00:27:59,478
And I think I understand!
There is a painting a day.

496
00:27:59,511 --> 00:28:02,414
So by knowing where I am
go for my rough color

497
00:28:02,448 --> 00:28:04,817
I will have white
paper as my white

498
00:28:04,851 --> 00:28:07,019
and just worked
way through light to dark.

499
00:28:07,053 --> 00:28:09,889
Then I did it
the same for things like

500
00:28:09,922 --> 00:28:13,392
hair and hair
clothes and likes characters

501
00:28:13,425 --> 00:28:15,027
usually,
sometimes has prop

502
00:28:15,061 --> 00:28:17,029
maybe it's safety
pin or maybe it's a bomb,

503
00:28:17,063 --> 00:28:24,370
maybe it's a doll, trash
can, gun, milling machine

504
00:28:24,403 --> 00:28:26,338
maybe rolling
character down.

505
00:28:26,372 --> 00:28:29,909
I have a deadline for myself
and in drawing these things

506
00:28:29,942 --> 00:28:31,510
so if that's the case
something where I have to

507
00:28:31,543 --> 00:28:34,113
take a trip - if I have
to travel to the library

508
00:28:34,146 --> 00:28:36,983
it's across town
I have to look for -

509
00:28:37,016 --> 00:28:39,118
can I afford to pay
time to get a reference?

510
00:28:39,151 --> 00:28:41,320
or can I just do it with my clip file  or my imagination?

511
00:28:41,353 --> 00:28:43,055
Art will usually call John

512
00:28:43,089 --> 00:28:45,324
And, um, or he
was in a conference call

513
00:28:45,357 --> 00:28:49,061
and we like that
through this

514
00:28:49,095 --> 00:28:51,230
pictures you know,
item by item

515
00:28:51,263 --> 00:28:53,399
for this child
bigger nostrils.

516
00:28:53,432 --> 00:28:56,068
Make this child
longer ear lobe.

517
00:28:56,102 --> 00:28:58,370
Make
sharper fangs.

518
00:28:58,404 --> 00:29:00,940
Like one picture
specifically that

519
00:29:00,973 --> 00:29:03,075


520
00:29:03,109 --> 00:29:07,113
like Russell Muscle or
whatever he is number 51.

521
00:29:07,146 --> 00:29:10,416
I have done a small muscular man  and Art says it's fine.
But I mean it's kind of there,

522
00:29:10,449 --> 00:29:15,287
but put the muscle
in the muscle.

523
00:29:15,321 --> 00:29:17,023
And other things
he will say, you know

524
00:29:17,056 --> 00:29:19,926
in particular
exaggerating pieces

525
00:29:19,959 --> 00:29:21,527
exaggerating.

526
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,297
Which, I mean, is great
advice and really right

527
00:29:25,331 --> 00:29:29,401
for what we do.

528
00:29:29,435 --> 00:29:30,402
You know the pump -
pumps more.

529
00:29:30,436 --> 00:29:32,571
Fantasy art done -

530
00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:34,874
I tried to go for drama
and was arrogant in my work there.

531
00:29:34,907 --> 00:29:39,178
And that's when the Trash
Pail Kids comes

532
00:29:39,211 --> 00:29:41,047
I still bring that mindset to him.

533
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,349
I think this is a funny little character.

534
00:29:43,382 --> 00:29:45,852
But when I can
think of an idea

535
00:29:45,885 --> 00:29:48,287


536
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,422
or a pose that will work for small people  I, I will try
to go something-

537
00:29:50,456 --> 00:29:56,095
Me, I mean I don't get it to everyone  but sometimes you know
You only do a few characters  I'm here!
Already!

538
00:29:56,128 --> 00:29:57,529
I mean, literally,
as you know,

539
00:29:57,563 --> 00:29:59,832
lots, lots of fine tuning
comments when we joined.

540
00:29:59,866 --> 00:30:02,034
And John
is big.
I mean, you know

541
00:30:02,068 --> 00:30:04,203
he really
will always increase

542
00:30:04,236 --> 00:30:08,941
what we asked
to then surpass.

543
00:30:08,975 --> 00:30:10,977
Serial after that
series sits across

544
00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:14,613
from Mark Newgarden
where we look at each other

545
00:30:14,646 --> 00:30:17,316
unfortunately until
one of them will say

546
00:30:17,349 --> 00:30:19,385
Yes you know,
One of us will say it

547
00:30:19,418 --> 00:30:21,220


548
00:30:21,253 --> 00:30:22,621


549
00:30:22,654 --> 00:30:25,057


550
00:30:25,091 --> 00:30:27,293
what about the little boy
his eyeballs drip out?

551
00:30:27,326 --> 00:30:30,462
What about a child with uh,
who is torn apart?

552
00:30:30,496 --> 00:30:32,098
What about
you know,

553
00:30:32,131 --> 00:30:34,233
it's like trying
to find possible hooks

554
00:30:34,266 --> 00:30:36,936
for one thing or another.

555
00:30:36,969 --> 00:30:40,072
And that's basically full day

556
00:30:40,106 --> 00:30:41,340
sit
there and argue

557
00:30:41,373 --> 00:30:45,044
above
name without stopping.

558
00:30:45,077 --> 00:30:48,214
I think it is a total balance of ideas  the way they bat
things back and forth one will

559
00:30:48,247 --> 00:30:50,482
say something else
- it feels like a comedy team

560
00:30:50,516 --> 00:30:53,319
actually - Art and Mark.

561
00:30:53,352 --> 00:30:57,623
And now we start the track and at that time  it works with
what is the back

562
00:31:02,995 --> 00:31:05,164
who can personalize it
_ good, like adoption paper

563
00:31:05,197 --> 00:31:06,999
or other types of documents

564
00:31:07,033 --> 00:31:11,470
that you can personalize -

565
00:31:11,503 --> 00:31:12,972


566
00:31:13,005 --> 00:31:14,006


567
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,943
because Topps has a series that doesn't work

568
00:31:16,976 --> 00:31:19,511
the previous way
that from the Dopey Diploma

569
00:31:19,545 --> 00:31:22,548
or Loony
license - things like that.

570
00:31:22,581 --> 00:31:25,317
The first one
regulates your back, as I recall,

571
00:31:25,351 --> 00:31:31,257
Um, Len dug into the
archive and found some old

572
00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:33,525
the series Jack
Davis has been illustrated  it's a kind of license
plate and permission and they are

573
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:38,064
very deliberately a
takes off like the beginning

574
00:31:38,097 --> 00:31:41,934
1930s exhibition
series-cards

575
00:31:41,968 --> 00:31:44,136
the type you
will buy like an arcade.

576
00:31:44,170 --> 00:31:45,972
You put
a nickel into the slot

577
00:31:46,005 --> 00:31:47,940
and you will be like, you know, a SIM
behind the driver's seat.

578
00:31:47,974 --> 00:31:52,078
That's very,
daily necessities

579
00:31:52,111 --> 00:31:53,679
from lowbrow
American humor.

580
00:31:53,712 --> 00:31:56,715
Um, So Len is interesting
these things.
And he said

581
00:31:56,748 --> 00:31:59,418


582
00:31:59,451 --> 00:32:00,619
Now what about this
for your back?

583
00:32:00,652 --> 00:32:02,421
And I said, ok, you
want me to like

584
00:32:02,454 --> 00:32:06,092
kind of like a riff?
And he left. No, this.

585
00:32:06,125 --> 00:32:08,460
And I'm really
hand-writing for

586
00:32:08,494 --> 00:32:11,330
first series
each back,

587
00:32:11,363 --> 00:32:13,665
makes very,
very small changes

588
00:32:13,699 --> 00:32:15,968
where can I
I want to try updating

589
00:32:16,002 --> 00:32:18,570
them and make it
funny and then sketch

590
00:32:18,604 --> 00:32:23,075
Any illustration might work in terms of character.

591
00:32:23,109 --> 00:32:24,710
And that is the first back series  and I think
the second series Len trusts me

592
00:32:24,743 --> 00:32:26,712
for, okay, you know, you
can write yourself now.

593
00:32:26,745 --> 00:32:30,082
Towards the end
Jay Lynch does many things

594
00:32:30,116 --> 00:32:32,051
from the back.

595
00:32:32,084 --> 00:32:33,085
He is um, he has
being a Topps contributor

596
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:36,355


597
00:32:36,388 --> 00:32:40,092
project for years.
He is not
involved with Children Trash Pails

598
00:32:40,126 --> 00:32:41,660
at all from the start.

599
00:32:41,693 --> 00:32:43,295
Basically because
he seems to be working

600
00:32:43,329 --> 00:32:45,731
for the competition
which is Cabbage Patch  in a series of
Cabbage Patch Stickers

601
00:32:45,764 --> 00:32:49,101
for other companies.

602
00:32:49,135 --> 00:32:49,935
So it is considered
that he is not um,

603
00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:53,005
it's unethical
for him to do

604
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,341
both
projects at the same time.

605
00:32:55,374 --> 00:32:57,109
A series will run 44 images
and it is based on the sheet

606
00:32:57,143 --> 00:33:04,150
that these cards are printed
on, at line 11. And 44 is

607
00:33:04,183 --> 00:33:10,589
always the minimum you want
ever wanted to draw.
and with

608
00:33:10,622 --> 00:33:13,459
The children's rubbish they want
do the minimum because of them

609
00:33:13,492 --> 00:33:16,095
double print.
They will
have two names for each child.

610
00:33:16,128 --> 00:33:19,198


611
00:33:19,231 --> 00:33:22,568
So in theory, children don't only collect 44 images;

612
00:33:22,601 --> 00:33:26,072
they will collect
88 cards altogether.

613
00:33:26,105 --> 00:33:28,540
And it departs
in a big way too,

614
00:33:28,574 --> 00:33:32,178
almost like that,
You know, a decade before.

615
00:33:32,211 --> 00:33:35,514
A strange package has been taken
dead.
Even they are the only ones

616
00:33:35,547 --> 00:33:39,085
the two products that were put in Topps
history that I think we have ever

617
00:33:39,118 --> 00:33:43,155
do something like 13 or
14 different series one after

618
00:33:43,189 --> 00:33:46,192
another.
I mean, we continue to do it
go one.
When one series

619
00:33:46,225 --> 00:33:49,295
complete, we immediately start
come with material for

620
00:33:49,328 --> 00:33:51,330
the next series because
is very popular.

621
00:33:56,168 --> 00:33:59,438
The result is immediately
being every child must know  about that;
Every parent has
to censor it.
They are there

622
00:33:59,471 --> 00:34:02,541


623
00:34:02,574 --> 00:34:06,845
confiscated in all classrooms
over the United States and that

624
00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:09,715
become a true phenomenon
like Topps always trying

625
00:34:09,748 --> 00:34:13,785
do, but most of Wacky Visor
is not one of the big hits,

626
00:34:13,819 --> 00:34:16,688
but kids rubbish rubbish
is, you know.

627
00:34:45,917 --> 00:34:49,355
This is the hottest medium
exchange now in the classroom

628
00:34:49,388 --> 00:34:51,190
from Manhattan to Malibu.

629
00:34:51,223 --> 00:34:52,524
Chewing gum
card that displays

630
00:34:52,558 --> 00:34:55,294
most strange
caricatures that can be imagined.

631
00:34:55,327 --> 00:35:00,832
Luke is warm, Spacy Stacey.

632
00:35:00,866 --> 00:35:02,634
Some are dirty, some are neat.

633
00:35:02,668 --> 00:35:05,904
They are like -
beautiful for other children

634
00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:07,506
and sometimes disgusting to me.

635
00:35:07,539 --> 00:35:08,674
They are very disgusting.

636
00:35:08,707 --> 00:35:12,244
They are dirty,
that's what I like.

637
00:35:14,246 --> 00:35:17,449
They are cards with
odd parody images

638
00:35:17,483 --> 00:35:18,784
Stuffed Cabbage Patch.

639
00:35:18,817 --> 00:35:21,587
Fred is dead,
Acne Amy, Baby Barfy.

640
00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:24,156
You get the picture.
Children throughout the country,

641
00:35:24,190 --> 00:35:26,292
buy, collect their
and exchange it

642
00:35:26,325 --> 00:35:28,327
like a baseball card.

643
00:35:31,597 --> 00:35:33,765
I will exchange you.

644
00:35:33,799 --> 00:35:36,702
Hairy Kerry, for Messy Tessy.

645
00:35:36,735 --> 00:35:38,437
I'm all ready to have Messy Tessy.

646
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:39,371
Good...

647
00:35:45,744 --> 00:35:48,847
* We are children of trash!
* We are children of trash!

648
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,485
* The chorus
is repeated again and again *

649
00:36:06,498 --> 00:36:09,568
When I was first discovered
The children's bucket trash card

650
00:36:09,601 --> 00:36:13,272
I am actually
at our school bus post

651
00:36:13,305 --> 00:36:16,942
actually going to school
and I'm sitting in the middle

652
00:36:16,975 --> 00:36:19,511
from the school bus
and see these kids

653
00:36:19,545 --> 00:36:21,780
with their knees
touching in the hallway

654
00:36:21,813 --> 00:36:23,549
and I like why
do they see?

655
00:36:23,582 --> 00:36:26,518
So when we stopped me
was kind of making my way

656
00:36:26,552 --> 00:36:27,986
when we stopped

657
00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:30,389
and I noticed that they were actually

658
00:36:30,422 --> 00:36:31,390
go
through these cards

659
00:36:31,423 --> 00:36:32,824
and I like
what is that?

660
00:36:32,858 --> 00:36:34,326
and immediately
when you see them

661
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,396
it's almost like
parents don't talk to you  as a child.
That's soon

662
00:36:37,429 --> 00:36:39,998
like almost
adult material for me.

663
00:36:40,031 --> 00:36:42,434
And he sent me this
.
This is Beth.

664
00:36:45,871 --> 00:36:49,508
I still remember him
the name of when I was little.

665
00:36:49,541 --> 00:36:52,411
I really love
My Cabbage Patch Kids

666
00:36:52,444 --> 00:36:54,613
same as me
Children of Trash.

667
00:36:54,646 --> 00:36:56,415
I see all fans
around Kids Patch Cabbage.

668
00:36:56,448 --> 00:36:59,785
And then Trash
Pail Kids comes out clearly

669
00:36:59,818 --> 00:37:02,654
making fun of it.

670
00:37:02,688 --> 00:37:03,489
And for me as an
six seven years.

671
00:37:03,522 --> 00:37:06,024
That's so funny.

672
00:37:06,057 --> 00:37:07,659
I like it very much
because Cabbage Patch Kids is

673
00:37:07,693 --> 00:37:09,895


674
00:37:09,928 --> 00:37:11,497
very sweet and innocent,

675
00:37:11,530 --> 00:37:12,998
and a little bit of pacifier and

676
00:37:13,031 --> 00:37:15,501
the little dog
comes with them  and rabbit rabbit
then you go here

677
00:37:15,534 --> 00:37:18,003
and they are like tearing up

678
00:37:18,036 --> 00:37:19,471
feet from storks,

679
00:37:19,505 --> 00:37:20,839
and missing
teeth, and witches,

680
00:37:20,872 --> 00:37:24,343
and devil
and it's very funny.

681
00:37:24,376 --> 00:37:27,413
And that might be
around that age when I realized

682
00:37:27,446 --> 00:37:30,482
that I didn't do it
want to be around

683
00:37:30,516 --> 00:37:32,551
girly sweet things.

684
00:37:32,584 --> 00:37:34,019
I'm not a princess.
I want to watch horror movies

685
00:37:34,052 --> 00:37:36,855
and collecting really horrible cards
that underestimated my parents.

686
00:37:36,888 --> 00:37:40,959
You know me
parents can't know that

687
00:37:44,463 --> 00:37:46,064
I have this Trash
Pail Kids because:

688
00:37:46,097 --> 00:37:47,999
A) They strictly forbid having them at home.

689
00:37:48,033 --> 00:37:50,302
And, # 2): I pay
for them with their money

690
00:37:50,336 --> 00:37:55,641


691
00:37:55,674 --> 00:37:57,443
that they did not give me.

692
00:37:57,476 --> 00:38:00,612
So I went to bed one night in the middle of the week.

693
00:38:00,646 --> 00:38:04,350
And I fell into a deep sleep
dreaming of a dream

694
00:38:04,383 --> 00:38:06,352
10 years old
Garbage Children

695
00:38:06,385 --> 00:38:10,356
and Goonies and
I gasped awake.

696
00:38:10,389 --> 00:38:12,924
Blinding light
crossed my mind.

697
00:38:12,958 --> 00:38:13,992
Bedroom
lights on.

698
00:38:14,025 --> 00:38:16,495
My drawer
My clothes
are scattered everywhere.

699
00:38:16,528 --> 00:38:17,929
And my father
is now sitting in

700
00:38:17,963 --> 00:38:20,832
the edge of my bed woke me up.

701
00:38:20,866 --> 00:38:22,768
Brian.
Brian.
We have to talk.

702
00:38:22,801 --> 00:38:26,905
Where are they?
What?
Where is it?

703
00:38:26,938 --> 00:38:32,378
Where?
Where is the medicine
?

704
00:38:32,411 --> 00:38:37,349
We know.
This
money has been lost.

705
00:38:37,983 --> 00:38:42,588
My parents.
Sure  that their 10 years
Old man is a drug addict.

706
00:38:42,621 --> 00:38:44,890


707
00:38:44,923 --> 00:38:47,459


708
00:38:47,493 --> 00:38:50,562
Um, on the contrary
I submitted a large stack

709
00:38:50,596 --> 00:38:53,499
Trash
Pail Kids Card.

710
00:38:53,532 --> 00:38:55,401
I remember growing up

711
00:38:55,434 --> 00:38:58,404
and children my age
always trade

712
00:38:58,437 --> 00:39:01,840
baseball cards and their storage
in their little binder

713
00:39:01,873 --> 00:39:03,942
in mint condition
and I just hated

714
00:39:03,975 --> 00:39:06,578
baseball.
I
is not superior in sports.

715
00:39:06,612 --> 00:39:08,814
It never spoke to me.

716
00:39:08,847 --> 00:39:11,883
And then I remember
clearly in second grade

717
00:39:11,917 --> 00:39:14,786
someone has-
I saw the Adam Bomb card

718
00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:17,155
and my name is Adam
and suddenly like

719
00:39:17,188 --> 00:39:19,991
everything feels right
me and like here is a card

720
00:39:20,025 --> 00:39:21,693
for people like me.

721
00:39:21,727 --> 00:39:23,729
Um.
I am not really suitable.

722
00:39:23,762 --> 00:39:27,899
I don't play
sports and it's funny.

723
00:39:27,933 --> 00:39:30,001
It's raw;
it's rude.

724
00:39:30,035 --> 00:39:33,539
At that age I
already had aspirations

725
00:39:33,572 --> 00:39:35,641
being a comedy
writer and I like

726
00:39:35,674 --> 00:39:39,177
true universe -
Children of Trash.

727
00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:42,714
I finally wrote Topps through one of the address wrappers

728
00:39:42,748 --> 00:39:44,516
and somehow
up to anyone  At Topps and him - you
got a blanket letter back

729
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:47,819
from Topps-
back that day.

730
00:39:47,853 --> 00:39:49,187
And then
returns when you reverse it  there are three hobbies
shops that you can contact

731
00:39:49,220 --> 00:39:50,789
if you want
buy and so on

732
00:39:50,822 --> 00:39:53,592
and I wrote all three and Roxanne  the only thing that
actually responded to my letter.

733
00:39:53,625 --> 00:39:54,960
And this was also issued

734
00:39:54,993 --> 00:39:57,663
original time in
80s for Kids Pail Trash.

735
00:39:57,696 --> 00:40:00,699
They are folders for children,
for real children to take to school.

736
00:40:00,732 --> 00:40:04,202
Put some of them
working in a folder

737
00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:10,742


738
00:40:10,776 --> 00:40:16,815


739
00:40:16,848 --> 00:40:21,787


740
00:40:25,891 --> 00:40:28,694
and this is not
has anything to do with

741
00:40:28,727 --> 00:40:32,798
Trash Children
but this is very good.

742
00:40:32,831 --> 00:40:35,501
This is Batman
sitting on the toilet.

743
00:40:35,534 --> 00:40:40,238
And this is done by Norm
Saunders as a joke in Topps;

744
00:40:40,271 --> 00:40:42,808
it never works
into mass production.

745
00:40:42,841 --> 00:40:44,610
But some of us are lucky enough  to get
one of these cards.

746
00:40:44,643 --> 00:40:47,879
During the time of
Waste Children

747
00:40:47,913 --> 00:40:50,248
in the 80s
was the busiest time

748
00:40:50,281 --> 00:40:53,251
we've ever had.
And I was just when I first heard

749
00:40:53,284 --> 00:40:58,824
about them
comes from Mark Macaluso

750
00:40:58,857 --> 00:41:01,259
who's
another email order

751
00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:02,460
the dealer at that time and he
called and told me about them  and I said to him,
what's wrong with Topps?

752
00:41:02,494 --> 00:41:06,164
Have they cracked at all

753
00:41:06,197 --> 00:41:09,935


754
00:41:09,968 --> 00:41:11,970


755
00:41:12,003 --> 00:41:14,506
will they put something like this
?

756
00:41:14,540 --> 00:41:16,542
After becoming a teacher,

757
00:41:16,575 --> 00:41:18,577
I think they're
pretty heavy

758
00:41:18,610 --> 00:41:23,081
and I don't do it
like some things in it.

759
00:41:23,114 --> 00:41:25,283
I think we always try to teach  children
respect our President.

760
00:41:25,316 --> 00:41:28,554
And here
is Rapping Ron

761
00:41:28,587 --> 00:41:30,288
and things like that.
But
then I started selling it

762
00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:35,694
because I will sell

763
00:41:35,727 --> 00:41:37,028
all of that
was out at that time.

764
00:41:37,062 --> 00:41:40,031
Well, especially those
want the full set

765
00:41:40,331 --> 00:41:43,068
and we will sort it.
We
will buy cases and boxes and

766
00:41:43,101 --> 00:41:47,973
sort them and make sure that
all variations are in it.

767
00:41:48,006 --> 00:41:52,578
Now when Series 3 happens
I don't know until a few moments later

768
00:41:52,611 --> 00:41:56,648
the one they started carrying

769
00:41:56,682 --> 00:41:57,816
other artists
like Tom, Tom Bunk

770
00:41:57,849 --> 00:42:01,319


771
00:42:01,352 --> 00:42:04,322
and some other
artists that appear

772
00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:07,559
in this book.

773
00:42:07,593 --> 00:42:09,995
I mean, I don't know
until they are printed.

774
00:42:10,028 --> 00:42:12,564
To keep John
from burning.

775
00:42:12,598 --> 00:42:14,032
And then there is an extended talent hunt  to and including some of the main
artists really

776
00:42:14,065 --> 00:42:16,768
Tomas Bunk I met
when he first came to New York

777
00:42:16,802 --> 00:42:19,605
because he's already
from the German wing

778
00:42:19,638 --> 00:42:22,340
from
underground comic planets.

779
00:42:22,373 --> 00:42:24,275
And when I met him
he was also inspired  by the same
Crazy comic artist

780
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:26,978
which inspired me since childhood.
We get along swollen.

781
00:42:27,012 --> 00:42:28,747
Yes you know,
I'm not a politician.

782
00:42:28,780 --> 00:42:32,718
I have nothing to lose.

783
00:42:42,393 --> 00:42:44,229
You can ask anything.

784
00:42:44,262 --> 00:42:45,964
Hey!
Good vision.

785
00:42:45,997 --> 00:42:47,799
Yes, get a good voice.

786
00:42:47,833 --> 00:42:51,136


787
00:42:51,169 --> 00:42:52,237


788
00:42:52,270 --> 00:42:53,739
- Here it is.
- Oh yeah, that's cool.

789
00:42:53,772 --> 00:42:55,841
Are you used for reference?

790
00:42:55,874 --> 00:42:59,978
Yes, that's what happened
I have it.
I have to hide it.

791
00:43:00,011 --> 00:43:02,080
She's from the 80s, then?

792
00:43:02,113 --> 00:43:07,853
Yes she's from the 80s.
Isn't that bad?
Geez.

793
00:43:07,886 --> 00:43:13,058
So, Art told me if
I will do the front too

794
00:43:13,091 --> 00:43:15,727
because I do backs
for the first three series

795
00:43:15,761 --> 00:43:21,066
and the fourth one too,
and he said, if I want

796
00:43:21,099 --> 00:43:24,803
do fronts?
and I
like... you know,

797
00:43:24,836 --> 00:43:27,939
I'm not too ambitious.
my little.

798
00:43:27,973 --> 00:43:31,409
But I said, Oh I don't
know whether I can do that and things.

799
00:43:31,442 --> 00:43:35,413
And uh, yes, you can,
You can try and then

800
00:43:35,446 --> 00:43:37,415
I have to do it
in style

801
00:43:37,448 --> 00:43:39,818
John Pond
which is rather difficult

802
00:43:39,851 --> 00:43:41,953
because he
uses acrylic.

803
00:43:41,987 --> 00:43:46,892
And airbrush.
And I
have to learn airbrush and do it

804
00:43:46,925 --> 00:43:52,030
all finished goods in the initial
are rather complicated

805
00:43:52,063 --> 00:43:57,135
because acrylic is also very difficult to work with  it dries to darker
and I can't like that.

806
00:43:57,168 --> 00:44:01,206
So I panic
often and so on.

807
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,809
But then,
then it works well.

808
00:44:03,842 --> 00:44:06,912
And then an
man named James Warhola.

809
00:44:07,345 --> 00:44:11,016
Like, a, it's good
is very good to do.

810
00:44:11,049 --> 00:44:14,786
I'm going to come back to me
happy to do it, but this

811
00:44:14,820 --> 00:44:17,989
It's just that, I usually use a lot of
networks that work on the network and

812
00:44:18,023 --> 00:44:21,727
Of course I get their
to the point where

813
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,096
I will sketch them
and send them via fax

814
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:30,201
the art director and
they will give me a go ahead.

815
00:44:30,235 --> 00:44:32,871


816
00:44:32,904 --> 00:44:34,773
And then I went
with the last artwork.

817
00:44:34,806 --> 00:44:41,012
My original is always done in oil back in the 80s,

818
00:44:41,046 --> 00:44:45,250
mid 80's, & apos; 86 - & apos; 87.
But then I entered

819
00:44:45,283 --> 00:44:51,089
do this in acrylic.
And
acrylic for a short time

820
00:44:51,122 --> 00:44:54,292
it's easier
because they dry faster.

821
00:44:54,325 --> 00:44:55,360
Cat never gets anything.

822
00:44:55,393 --> 00:44:59,798
I have one color
sketch that I did for

823
00:44:59,831 --> 00:45:04,202
- for that one
with that sort of

824
00:45:04,235 --> 00:45:06,938
a takeoff at
World War II Posters.

825
00:45:07,338 --> 00:45:10,776
My name is James
Warhola.
I live here in New York

826
00:45:10,809 --> 00:45:16,514
New York City and
I work art, I'm a painter  and I have a broad history
in the field of illustration.

827
00:45:16,547 --> 00:45:20,518
I guess I hit all the
angles from the field and I guess

828
00:45:20,551 --> 00:45:23,188


829
00:45:23,221 --> 00:45:29,928
You could say, one of the low
points is Pail Trash Kids.

830
00:45:29,961 --> 00:45:34,232
Well... I spoke with Art and
Mark and I had to meet them  and they show me what the project is  is and it must be done by doing this dirty,

831
00:45:34,265 --> 00:45:35,934
a disgusting garbage picture
the Pail Kid Card they called.

832
00:45:35,967 --> 00:45:40,238
And I think wow

833
00:45:40,271 --> 00:45:46,912
it's rather interesting.
But on my way back from Topps

834
00:45:46,945 --> 00:45:48,146
I thought to myself I would never do these things.

835
00:45:48,179 --> 00:45:52,550
I can't deal with that reality
that I come from,

836
00:45:52,583 --> 00:45:55,821
You know doing some of the best
writers in

837
00:45:55,854 --> 00:46:00,125
fields of science fiction
like Heinlein and Asimov

838
00:46:00,158 --> 00:46:03,561
and William Gibson and I will
do the Kid's Waste Pail card.

839
00:46:03,594 --> 00:46:07,365


840
00:46:07,398 --> 00:46:11,036


841
00:46:11,069 --> 00:46:15,573
I think it's impossible.
I see,
I told them that I would think about it

842
00:46:15,606 --> 00:46:19,110
and I left the
factory in Brooklyn

843
00:46:19,144 --> 00:46:21,579
I took long
subway and me

844
00:46:21,612 --> 00:46:26,184
said "Yes, this is crazy.
I don't think I can do it."

845
00:46:26,217 --> 00:46:29,120
You know, and then I
look down on my shoes

846
00:46:29,154 --> 00:46:30,588
and I have chewing gum
my shoes and I say

847
00:46:30,621 --> 00:46:34,325
Geez, I even had
gum on my shoes when I was there  Well in those days
all deadlines were yesterday

848
00:46:34,359 --> 00:46:39,931
therefore
must be done very quickly  therefore
is just such a hype.

849
00:46:39,965 --> 00:46:44,369
So Topps wants
to discard one series

850
00:46:44,402 --> 00:46:47,372
after the others
to the market.

851
00:46:47,405 --> 00:46:49,941
In this case
series quality,

852
00:46:49,975 --> 00:46:52,310


853
00:46:52,343 --> 00:46:54,980


854
00:46:55,013 --> 00:46:58,616
in some ways I feel like in
some aspects that they have

855
00:46:58,649 --> 00:47:00,618
better when they leave
throughout.
In several aspects,

856
00:47:00,651 --> 00:47:05,056
they lost something, they
became a little more busy,

857
00:47:05,090 --> 00:47:07,392
a little sort of
from more self-reflexive,

858
00:47:07,425 --> 00:47:08,927
a little less iconic

859
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,261
from the first few series.

860
00:47:10,295 --> 00:47:13,631
I can't wrap me
head around how you get

861
00:47:13,664 --> 00:47:16,634
do like Tom Bunk
and come with all these items.

862
00:47:16,667 --> 00:47:19,905
He is very
generous with the details.

863
00:47:19,938 --> 00:47:22,473
And I thought,
Oh, oh, it's me

864
00:47:22,507 --> 00:47:24,309
try to keep
simple things

865
00:47:24,342 --> 00:47:27,378
and, and all that
and I guess -

866
00:47:27,412 --> 00:47:30,081
I don't have to, but
then I will feel lazy when I

867
00:47:30,115 --> 00:47:32,984
see the picture.
Oh shit.

868
00:47:33,018 --> 00:47:35,353
So he will bring these cards
and hold a big meeting

869
00:47:35,386 --> 00:47:37,488
with Arthur Shorin
and Arthur Shorin

870
00:47:37,522 --> 00:47:42,027
is the CEO of
Topps.
For a corporate man

871
00:47:42,060 --> 00:47:46,264
him... he really
has good humor.

872
00:47:46,297 --> 00:47:48,533
I have worked for
many other corporate people

873
00:47:48,566 --> 00:47:51,102
what I want
A sense of humor Arthur Shorin.

874
00:47:51,136 --> 00:47:53,004
Who... really took
an Arthur Shorin

875
00:47:53,038 --> 00:47:55,673
to be able to say
not only - Let's do this

876
00:47:55,706 --> 00:48:00,145
fuck-you product.
But yes I
think it's funny to see that child

877
00:48:00,178 --> 00:48:01,679
blowing his brain.

878
00:48:01,712 --> 00:48:03,348
Show more like that.

879
00:48:03,381 --> 00:48:06,084
No
Arthur's own idea

880
00:48:06,117 --> 00:48:07,953
it's always that good.
He always says

881
00:48:07,986 --> 00:48:10,055
"Put it in your pants.
cute pants."

882
00:48:10,088 --> 00:48:12,523
And it's like
"They really don't."

883
00:48:12,557 --> 00:48:16,694
But we
tried to enter

884
00:48:16,727 --> 00:48:20,031
underpants for Arthur
occasionally.

885
00:48:20,065 --> 00:48:23,068
We always
make extra cards.

886
00:48:23,101 --> 00:48:24,635
Some of our
us types

887
00:48:24,669 --> 00:48:26,571
knowing that
might never be printed

888
00:48:26,604 --> 00:48:28,339
but we
know what happened.

889
00:48:28,373 --> 00:48:30,541
And sometimes we push
a little envelope

890
00:48:30,575 --> 00:48:31,676
and sometimes
we were surprised that

891
00:48:31,709 --> 00:48:35,346
Arthur said "Great".
And
sometimes Arthur says "Impossible".

892
00:48:35,380 --> 00:48:38,549
There is one
with a little girl

893
00:48:38,583 --> 00:48:41,319
pushed from the
diving board into the pool

894
00:48:41,352 --> 00:48:44,422
in a wheelchair that
did not make the last cut.

895
00:48:44,455 --> 00:48:47,658
There is a middle
finger card, as I recall.

896
00:48:47,692 --> 00:48:50,261
There is a
number of cards that are fair  for whatever reason,
never made it into the mix.

897
00:48:50,295 --> 00:48:52,730
But that's something
that we're kind of,

898
00:48:52,763 --> 00:48:55,100
that we always know that
we will have that partner

899
00:48:55,133 --> 00:48:59,604


900
00:48:59,637 --> 00:49:01,606
we will get "" no "at,
so we will always

901
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:04,009
keep extra pairs in play

902
00:49:04,042 --> 00:49:06,544
to sort
compensate for that.

903
00:49:06,577 --> 00:49:08,146
Sometimes Art will say

904
00:49:08,179 --> 00:49:10,181
Oh, we met
my place on Canal Street.

905
00:49:10,215 --> 00:49:12,217
So, instead of going to Brooklyn

906
00:49:12,250 --> 00:49:17,688
we will have, hold a meeting
in his apartment on Canal Street

907
00:49:17,722 --> 00:49:20,625
and I will take me
things here and there

908
00:49:20,658 --> 00:49:24,129
Mark and Art will
sort of go art instead

909
00:49:24,162 --> 00:49:27,065
meeting in
Brooklyn at the Topps factory.

910
00:49:27,098 --> 00:49:29,100
So that's how
changes are good.

911
00:49:29,134 --> 00:49:32,003
But uh, it's me
must see some

912
00:49:32,037 --> 00:49:37,075
Art Spiegelman
the work set aside from

913
00:49:37,108 --> 00:49:38,676
Bubble topps
gum really

914
00:49:38,709 --> 00:49:41,779
fantastic since he
did RAW magazine at that time

915
00:49:41,812 --> 00:49:45,350
with his wife.

916
00:49:46,517 --> 00:49:51,456
Francois is there and
I was introduced to the idea

917
00:49:51,489 --> 00:49:53,391
he did MAUS
in his apartment.

918
00:49:53,424 --> 00:49:55,126
He works
on it while he is

919
00:49:55,160 --> 00:50:01,432
gave us GPK
work and I never realized it

920
00:50:01,466 --> 00:50:04,135
will become
so historically important.

921
00:50:04,169 --> 00:50:06,804
My Pulitzer Prize
won a graphic novel

922
00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:11,442
about the Holocaust.
Who owns...

923
00:50:11,476 --> 00:50:15,546
Of course I am grateful
for what the book became,

924
00:50:15,580 --> 00:50:18,216
but it's very immersive
and deep, difficult

925
00:50:18,249 --> 00:50:20,518
the project for me when I was still in the middle.

926
00:50:20,551 --> 00:50:23,488
One of the real irony
though, is as Maus

927
00:50:23,521 --> 00:50:27,392
number one is about being
published by Pantheon Books

928
00:50:27,425 --> 00:50:28,826
who likes every other publisher in

929
00:50:28,859 --> 00:50:31,829
New York and
New England refused  as an
impossible concept.

930
00:50:31,862 --> 00:50:33,631


931
00:50:33,664 --> 00:50:35,833
This is a comic for
adults and it's about

932
00:50:35,866 --> 00:50:41,172
Holocaust and it uses
cat and mouse.
Thank you.

933
00:50:41,206 --> 00:50:43,174
You know,
It doesn't get anywhere.

934
00:50:43,208 --> 00:50:44,675
So it was rejected
by everyone including

935
00:50:44,709 --> 00:50:47,812
The Pantheon book finally takes it for a while

936
00:50:47,845 --> 00:50:51,649
shipping via art
director who is friends with me

937
00:50:51,682 --> 00:50:55,820
Luis Fealy who designed -
is their top book designer  in New York
current publication.

938
00:50:55,853 --> 00:50:57,722
But one
is that thing  fears about that
will go out into the world

939
00:50:57,755 --> 00:50:58,923
what I have done
Trash Children.

940
00:50:58,956 --> 00:51:02,627
They said, "You know how to do it
it's hard to forget that idea

941
00:51:02,660 --> 00:51:04,662
that this is serious
book about the Holocaust

942
00:51:04,695 --> 00:51:07,732
using cats and mice?

943
00:51:07,765 --> 00:51:09,867
This is really
an impossible task.

944
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:11,469


945
00:51:11,502 --> 00:51:13,504


946
00:51:13,538 --> 00:51:16,407
If we also have to do it, explain what you are doing  this thing which...
is, is angry

947
00:51:16,441 --> 00:51:19,177
editorial columnists, parents,
and educators, and psychiatrists  all of our
Americans are destined.

948
00:51:19,210 --> 00:51:22,547
That's what
suddenly

949
00:51:22,580 --> 00:51:24,215
it will become Trash
Pail well and it's over.

950
00:51:24,249 --> 00:51:25,583
So many young people
have become very obsessed  the card
has been banned by some people  school principle from
West to East Coast.

951
00:51:25,616 --> 00:51:28,619
- Just say
- If you have it well, save it  they go home,
Monday morning I don't

952
00:51:29,454 --> 00:51:32,390
want to see them at school.

953
00:51:32,423 --> 00:51:34,259
You can't even play
with breaks.

954
00:51:34,292 --> 00:51:37,895
What do you think
to just sit there?

955
00:51:37,928 --> 00:51:40,898
I mean, really.

956
00:51:40,931 --> 00:51:42,600


957
00:51:42,633 --> 00:51:44,435


958
00:51:44,469 --> 00:51:47,138


959
00:51:47,172 --> 00:51:49,340


960
00:51:49,374 --> 00:51:50,908


961
00:51:50,941 --> 00:51:54,879
I think almost immediately
Garbage Pail Kids is out,

962
00:51:54,912 --> 00:51:57,782
it was criticized by educators,
_ parents, psychiatrists, and

963
00:51:57,815 --> 00:52:01,519
likes and has
some very negative

964
00:52:01,552 --> 00:52:05,790
editorial column about how dangerous
today is

965
00:52:05,823 --> 00:52:08,826
young man.
And that
put it on the map.

966
00:52:49,734 --> 00:52:52,303
When I was in time in the '80s

967
00:52:52,337 --> 00:52:54,605
parents
very upset about that.

968
00:52:54,872 --> 00:52:56,341
And I think that only happens

969
00:52:56,374 --> 00:52:58,443
the beginning,
where is family life

970
00:52:58,476 --> 00:53:00,778
changed
where - when you saw

971
00:53:00,811 --> 00:53:02,947
a child with an
knife or a gun like that

972
00:53:02,980 --> 00:53:05,650
Look at it just for fun.
Children don't do that.

973
00:53:05,683 --> 00:53:08,819
But then around the mid eighties
these things came true.

974
00:53:08,853 --> 00:53:10,988
Instead of just something  made fun of, you
know cupie doll with a knife

975
00:53:11,021 --> 00:53:14,792


976
00:53:14,825 --> 00:53:16,694
or something
like that is not funny anymore  when you see an actual child
maybe

977
00:53:16,727 --> 00:53:19,430
using a knife or gun, which
is going on during the 80s.

978
00:53:19,464 --> 00:53:22,800
This is one from 1987,

979
00:53:22,833 --> 00:53:25,636
Acne Amy
-Connect Zits.

980
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:28,973
And find out what
Acne is found to eliminate it  acne problems forever.
And if you connect zits

981
00:53:29,006 --> 00:53:32,009
You found that
revolver aimed at the temple.

982
00:53:32,042 --> 00:53:35,246
So that's how it is.

983
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,015
For 12 years
the child is very cute  and dangerous.
So
is good.
Still funny today.

984
00:53:38,048 --> 00:53:39,584
We are doing this transgressive series  and the child you know hits
Sign.
Children love it.

985
00:53:40,918 --> 00:53:43,554
Parents hate it.
That's where we want to be.

986
00:53:43,588 --> 00:53:47,625
We are making
Topps things

987
00:53:47,658 --> 00:53:49,560


988
00:53:49,594 --> 00:53:52,263


989
00:53:52,297 --> 00:53:54,732


990
00:53:54,765 --> 00:53:56,501


991
00:53:56,534 --> 00:53:58,369
children buy
with their own money.

992
00:53:58,703 --> 00:54:00,638
I want
2 Children Trash Buckets.

993
00:54:00,671 --> 00:54:03,274
We don't make things for librarians;

994
00:54:03,308 --> 00:54:04,642
We don't make
things for parents;

995
00:54:04,675 --> 00:54:06,411
We are making
things for the child.

996
00:54:06,444 --> 00:54:11,382
So that, you know,
it feels like we succeeded.

997
00:54:11,416 --> 00:54:14,985
Because children are children
and they just want to do it,

998
00:54:15,019 --> 00:54:19,056
to see things
parents say they shouldn't.

999
00:54:19,089 --> 00:54:23,728
body fluids

1000
00:54:23,761 --> 00:54:26,531
and all warts and snot.

1001
00:54:26,564 --> 00:54:29,066
everything parents say
You shouldn't do it and

1002
00:54:29,099 --> 00:54:32,537
then you see it
there and it's very interesting.

1003
00:54:33,070 --> 00:54:35,640
This is Germany.

1004
00:54:37,642 --> 00:54:39,310
War of Bubble Gum.

1005
00:54:39,344 --> 00:54:40,945
Torture doesn't sell
wherever you go.

1006
00:54:40,978 --> 00:54:44,415
And, but they are banned and they are not.

1007
00:54:44,449 --> 00:54:46,050
That's the year of & apos; 88.

1008
00:54:46,083 --> 00:54:48,018
Oh, you go to jail
if you get caught with them?

1009
00:54:48,052 --> 00:54:55,360
No, but parents
too, too strong.

1010
00:54:55,393 --> 00:54:59,530
How do you feel about that
?
Are you proud of that?

1011
00:54:59,564 --> 00:55:03,868
I'm proud of anything
opposed to all these parents-

1012
00:55:03,901 --> 00:55:07,772
all these people.
And this is very funny.

1013
00:55:07,805 --> 00:55:11,442
This German newspaper
and this person is against this

1014
00:55:11,476 --> 00:55:16,814
Jugendschutzer means
He is the protector of young people.

1015
00:55:16,847 --> 00:55:18,015
And see how it looks!

1016
00:55:18,048 --> 00:55:19,884
He looks like
Child Trash Trash!

1017
00:55:21,386 --> 00:55:23,888
He does look like Trash
Pail Kids, one with glasses.

1018
00:55:23,921 --> 00:55:27,792
First I think that
Children can buy it themselves.

1019
00:55:27,825 --> 00:55:34,665
That's cheap.
Something
is like - I don't think much

1020
00:55:34,699 --> 00:55:36,901
about that.
But
when I went to search

1021
00:55:36,934 --> 00:55:40,004
work for children
illustration and I show it

1022
00:55:40,037 --> 00:55:43,474
Children Trash Trash -
is really wrong

1023
00:55:43,508 --> 00:55:45,410
to show them because

1024
00:55:45,443 --> 00:55:49,780
children's books
are made for parents.
And this is here

1025
00:55:49,814 --> 00:55:52,450
made for children.
And because of that

1026
00:55:52,483 --> 00:55:57,154
cheap;
It is like
restricted territory.

1027
00:55:57,187 --> 00:55:59,857
And that's
parents and schools

1028
00:55:59,890 --> 00:56:08,032
and all... people who
are sort of limiting children

1029
00:56:08,065 --> 00:56:11,469
in their freedom,
they all oppose it.

1030
00:56:11,502 --> 00:56:14,505
So it works
even better, you know.

1031
00:56:15,205 --> 00:56:17,942
I have goodness
good luck having relatives,

1032
00:56:17,975 --> 00:56:20,978
who also
is interested in art and that's how

1033
00:56:21,011 --> 00:56:23,180
I think I became
interested in doing art and

1034
00:56:23,213 --> 00:56:26,484
it's my uncle Andy,
who's Andy Warhol.

1035
00:56:26,517 --> 00:56:28,719
And he always
is on the cutting edge

1036
00:56:28,753 --> 00:56:30,455
everything.
But I remember  when I started doing

1037
00:56:30,488 --> 00:56:31,922
GPK in like & apos; 86 - I showed it
.
And he really is

1038
00:56:31,956 --> 00:56:41,899
fascinated by the idea
and he rather suggested

1039
00:56:41,932 --> 00:56:45,570
that I have to do these paintings very big.

1040
00:56:45,603 --> 00:56:48,005
Not as children's art
or card art but

1041
00:56:48,038 --> 00:56:52,076
do them as big paintings.

1042
00:56:52,109 --> 00:56:53,811
He saw them
as anti pop,

1043
00:56:53,844 --> 00:56:56,213
anti-popular type,
against the community in several ways.

1044
00:56:56,246 --> 00:57:01,018
We bring
rival culture

1045
00:57:01,051 --> 00:57:03,454
a group younger than
children.
But of course

1046
00:57:03,488 --> 00:57:05,556
it is a candy counter.

1047
00:57:05,590 --> 00:57:07,858
We have some
things here like

1048
00:57:48,065 --> 00:57:50,535
garbage
Pail Bag Kids bop.

1049
00:57:50,568 --> 00:57:53,638
That's very heavy.

1050
00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:56,073
Not sure what this character is.

1051
00:57:56,106 --> 00:57:58,809
This is some garbage
Pail Kids sticks to the picture.

1052
00:57:58,843 --> 00:58:04,815


1053
00:58:04,849 --> 00:58:08,285
Phone calls we get
during Children Trash Trash

1054
00:58:08,318 --> 00:58:11,756
craze drove us
crazy because of us

1055
00:58:11,789 --> 00:58:14,191
can't eat
without the phone ringing.

1056
00:58:14,224 --> 00:58:18,295
In the middle of the night
the phone will ring

1057
00:58:18,328 --> 00:58:21,899
because people
live throughout the country

1058
00:58:21,932 --> 00:58:24,168
and it's continuous

1059
00:58:24,201 --> 00:58:27,838
and it's difficult.

1060
00:58:28,172 --> 00:58:30,575
You know the hardest thing
in Kid's Trash

1061
00:58:30,608 --> 00:58:31,876
thing to
collect my intent outside

1062
00:58:31,909 --> 00:58:33,744
original art of course

1063
00:58:33,778 --> 00:58:36,013
is Bukimi Kun,
which is Japanese.

1064
00:58:36,046 --> 00:58:39,316
And I like that
even today and

1065
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:41,085
age of eBay and
Internet and

1066
00:58:41,118 --> 00:58:45,656
everything happened
it's still difficult to find something.

1067
00:58:45,690 --> 00:58:47,758
Like these things
You can't find it.

1068
00:58:47,792 --> 00:58:49,093
You know
because in Japan they

1069
00:58:49,126 --> 00:58:50,761
does not have
Cabbage Patch Kids.

1070
00:58:50,795 --> 00:58:52,597
So when they try to let go

1071
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:55,232
Bukimi Kun doesn't work
sense to those they have

1072
00:58:55,265 --> 00:58:58,035
nothing can be compared to him.

1073
00:59:07,044 --> 00:59:11,281
So yes all foreign goods
all these things are very hard to find.

1074
00:59:11,315 --> 00:59:14,619
I really enjoy searching.

1075
00:59:14,652 --> 00:59:16,053
You know,
they're so weird!

1076
00:59:16,086 --> 00:59:20,591
Like, look at this
men hold these titties.

1077
00:59:23,060 --> 00:59:25,963
Yes.
And now we
enter the green border.

1078
00:59:25,996 --> 00:59:29,800
Green with soccer balls,
yes, being an Italian, yeah...

1079
00:59:29,834 --> 00:59:32,069
You know and it's
very crazy...

1080
00:59:32,102 --> 00:59:35,673
they put flags and
balls on each.

1081
00:59:36,406 --> 00:59:38,843
I really tried
to get Trash Pail Kids

1082
00:59:38,876 --> 00:59:42,146
from all over the world.
And that is very difficult.

1083
00:59:42,179 --> 00:59:46,316
And one place I really want them to be is Israel.

1084
00:59:46,350 --> 00:59:48,385
And I remember
talking to one

1085
00:59:48,418 --> 00:59:54,158
from people at Topps, Bill
O & apos; Connor.
And say, I have

1086
00:59:54,191 --> 00:59:55,826
to try to get this, they won't do it  send to me
because you won't let them

1087
00:59:55,860 --> 00:59:58,062
import them into
USA. What can you do for me?

1088
00:59:58,095 --> 01:00:01,899
He said there was nothing he could do  I said well then
I will only have

1089
01:00:01,932 --> 01:00:05,803
go there
and get them yourself.

1090
01:00:05,836 --> 01:00:07,404
I gather fun things
around the world.

1091
01:00:07,437 --> 01:00:14,178
Let's get closer
see North America,

1092
01:00:14,211 --> 01:00:19,416
Canada, France
Canadian album.

1093
01:00:19,449 --> 01:00:21,786
Colombia,
Brazil is

1094
01:00:21,819 --> 01:00:24,288
all completed
albums and seal packages.

1095
01:00:24,321 --> 01:00:29,426
There are several packs there.

1096
01:00:29,459 --> 01:00:33,130
Argentina, but all
albums are finished.

1097
01:00:33,163 --> 01:00:36,433
Germany, Belgium
test set wrappers.

1098
01:00:36,466 --> 01:00:40,170


1099
01:00:40,204 --> 01:00:45,776


1100
01:00:45,810 --> 01:00:48,112
Still needs
Netherlands and Germany,

1101
01:00:48,145 --> 01:00:51,816
variation of UK set
because I am in the UK.

1102
01:00:51,849 --> 01:00:56,887
Set France,
Spanish set

1103
01:00:56,921 --> 01:01:01,325
with the correct
good double package.

1104
01:01:01,358 --> 01:01:03,861
You know that
is funny-even today

1105
01:01:03,894 --> 01:01:05,863
if you go
FedEx website

1106
01:01:05,896 --> 01:01:08,198
You cannot send
Junk Children

1107
01:01:08,232 --> 01:01:11,869
to Mexico because of the description

1108
01:01:11,902 --> 01:01:15,472
children and
condescending situations.

1109
01:01:15,505 --> 01:01:19,343
So basically you
can't send turtle turtles,

1110
01:01:19,376 --> 01:01:22,146
marijuana, or
Rubbish Children

1111
01:01:22,179 --> 01:01:24,982
to Mexico,
which is very good.

1112
01:01:25,015 --> 01:01:28,853
So fast
is a fad and a phenomenon.

1113
01:01:28,886 --> 01:01:32,356
It has started
making lots of money for Topps

1114
01:01:32,389 --> 01:01:39,029
and this when I arrived
My lesson is in etymology.

1115
01:01:39,063 --> 01:01:41,766
Bonus
is unconscious.

1116
01:01:41,799 --> 01:01:44,368
Every vice president at Topps,
I am not one of them,

1117
01:01:44,401 --> 01:01:49,039
to be really one
million dollar bonus that year

1118
01:01:49,073 --> 01:01:52,810
for how well Topps is done.
And the factors he made

1119
01:01:52,843 --> 01:01:55,145
That topps is a lot of money
that year is not ongoing

1120
01:01:55,179 --> 01:01:58,048
perennials from
baseball cards or gum

1121
01:01:58,082 --> 01:02:00,484
that came
out year after year...

1122
01:02:00,517 --> 01:02:05,489
But the Pail Kids trash
has become this giant cash cow.

1123
01:02:05,522 --> 01:02:06,991
Like me and
several others

1124
01:02:07,024 --> 01:02:09,359
successfully
dropped this dinosaur.

1125
01:02:09,393 --> 01:02:12,763
It's eaten for the last piece

1126
01:02:12,797 --> 01:02:15,132
by people who have
has nothing to do with Trash

1127
01:02:15,165 --> 01:02:17,034
Pail Kids who work
on baseball cards

1128
01:02:17,067 --> 01:02:18,468
or God knows what else.

1129
01:02:18,502 --> 01:02:22,239
But at least a few pieces have been thrown at us.

1130
01:02:22,272 --> 01:02:24,341
At that time
I was rather dissatisfied.

1131
01:02:24,374 --> 01:02:26,343
Artists might
even get a small bonus

1132
01:02:26,376 --> 01:02:28,212
but I remember
getting I thought it was

1133
01:02:28,245 --> 01:02:31,181
$ 25,000 or maybe that
even a $ 50,000 bonus

1134
01:02:31,215 --> 01:02:33,517
which for me is
all money in the world.

1135
01:02:33,550 --> 01:02:35,119
But when I
heard about millions

1136
01:02:35,152 --> 01:02:37,187
bonus dollars that already exist
faint, I understand

1137
01:02:37,221 --> 01:02:39,356
the word root
bonus is bone.

1138
01:02:39,389 --> 01:02:41,091
I don't remember specifically  what series we are working on.

1139
01:02:41,125 --> 01:02:42,960
That's good into it
maybe at half point.

1140
01:02:42,993 --> 01:02:45,362
I know that I walked to the office one day  and everything I have
doing it just goes away.

1141
01:02:45,395 --> 01:02:50,034
And I think there
is the discovery process,

1142
01:02:50,067 --> 01:02:53,170
and beautiful
many things

1143
01:02:53,203 --> 01:02:55,873
On my desk
is considered an invention.

1144
01:02:55,906 --> 01:02:57,041
So everything
my sketch stack

1145
01:02:57,074 --> 01:02:59,243
returns to
series one disappears.

1146
01:02:59,276 --> 01:03:02,112


1147
01:03:02,146 --> 01:03:04,048


1148
01:03:04,081 --> 01:03:08,118
And that's how I heard it.
Topps were sued by OAA,

1149
01:03:08,152 --> 01:03:09,586
Original Appalachian Art

1150
01:03:09,619 --> 01:03:11,856
who is
Person Cabbage Patch.

1151
01:03:12,489 --> 01:03:14,458
This is dirty
vs. cuddly,

1152
01:03:14,491 --> 01:03:16,426
people get sick
vs. sweet ones.

1153
01:03:16,460 --> 01:03:17,828
That is an all-out battle  for the hearts and minds of children.

1154
01:03:17,862 --> 01:03:19,596
What might happen
starts as a joke,

1155
01:03:19,629 --> 01:03:21,899
now $ 30
million lawsuit.

1156
01:03:21,932 --> 01:03:23,934
Some are legal
problems that are not clean

1157
01:03:24,501 --> 01:03:27,304
in the Topps bubble
gum world, who said that

1158
01:03:27,337 --> 01:03:31,608
comic books are the lowest form of literature  but by their Lord
is literature.

1159
01:03:31,641 --> 01:03:35,312
Chewing gum
card is not right

1160
01:03:35,345 --> 01:03:36,613
literature even because
you sell premiums.

1161
01:03:36,646 --> 01:03:38,282
You sell
something that is sold with gum

1162
01:03:38,315 --> 01:03:41,151
and added
value for gum,

1163
01:03:41,185 --> 01:03:43,320


1164
01:03:43,353 --> 01:03:45,322


1165
01:03:45,355 --> 01:03:48,158
but not right
editorial form

1166
01:03:48,192 --> 01:03:51,095
because it is clear
First Amendment

1167
01:03:51,128 --> 01:03:53,630
designed not for
stickers and bubblegum cards but

1168
01:03:53,663 --> 01:03:58,002
for opinions disagree
in the form of a newspaper.

1169
01:03:58,035 --> 01:04:01,405
And as a result appears
against a different body

1170
01:04:01,438 --> 01:04:03,507
the law
starts to tighten

1171
01:04:03,540 --> 01:04:07,111
rope around Topps from
at that time even

1172
01:04:07,144 --> 01:04:11,481
Strange packages come out.
Because now, it looks like

1173
01:04:11,515 --> 01:04:14,551
it's clear in the world where companies are people too.

1174
01:04:14,584 --> 01:04:16,987
More than people.

1175
01:04:17,021 --> 01:04:19,656
But at that time there was something more important  from the First Amendment
which is a product disparagement.

1176
01:04:19,689 --> 01:04:23,894
Xavier Roberts
has submitted a copyright

1177
01:05:07,071 --> 01:05:09,106
according to
chewing gum.

1178
01:05:09,139 --> 01:05:11,408
I mean that it doesn't take my product  my creation, and tarnish it.

1179
01:05:11,441 --> 01:05:13,410


1180
01:05:13,443 --> 01:05:16,080


1181
01:05:16,113 --> 01:05:18,515
And that's true
where I came from.

1182
01:05:19,616 --> 01:05:23,988
Earlier in
working on series 1,

1183
01:05:24,021 --> 01:05:29,359
I push, not push -
I just do that first  some designs as
generic looking for small dolls

1184
01:05:29,393 --> 01:05:32,096
because I
think you can't make it

1185
01:05:32,129 --> 01:05:33,597
the item looks like
design copyright or trademark from

1186
01:05:33,630 --> 01:05:37,267
other companies.
This asks for a problem;

1187
01:05:37,301 --> 01:05:39,603
This asks for a
suit or something.

1188
01:05:39,636 --> 01:05:41,738
But they continued to do it
encouraged me to make it

1189
01:05:41,771 --> 01:05:45,075
looks more like,
like Cabbage Patch.

1190
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:48,145
You know and, and uh,
is what I mean, but

1191
01:05:48,178 --> 01:05:53,450
I can see it
It's like a double-edged sword.

1192
01:05:53,483 --> 01:05:56,620
That makes more
interesting and more -

1193
01:05:56,653 --> 01:06:00,757
it underlines it
the title becomes parody

1194
01:06:00,790 --> 01:06:03,193
more by making the design visible

1195
01:06:03,227 --> 01:06:06,196


1196
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:11,001
more like Cabbage Patch.
But I saw it coming.

1197
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:14,304
Looks like it's
legal parody

1198
01:06:14,338 --> 01:06:17,307
back, you know
back in that period

1199
01:06:17,341 --> 01:06:18,508
much harder

1200
01:06:18,542 --> 01:06:21,478
because we
aren't even allowed

1201
01:06:21,511 --> 01:06:26,483
to the parody of Cyndi Lauper
in certain series.

1202
01:06:26,516 --> 01:06:29,486
We did the series.
Hollywood zombies where we are  clear
parody

1203
01:06:29,519 --> 01:06:31,355
famous image
actor and actress.

1204
01:06:31,388 --> 01:06:33,690
And back in the 80s and
70s we were told you couldn't

1205
01:06:33,723 --> 01:06:37,227
do that.
So everything looks like
they were much harder at that time.

1206
01:06:37,261 --> 01:06:43,433
I never liked that fact
that we can't do parodies.

1207
01:06:43,467 --> 01:06:46,170
I mean, Mad
for years and I feel us  must have the same thing
the freedom that Mad Magazine has.

1208
01:06:46,203 --> 01:06:49,373
We have
published artwork

1209
01:06:49,406 --> 01:06:52,109


1210
01:06:52,142 --> 01:06:54,244


1211
01:06:54,278 --> 01:06:58,348
and humor you know
and why, why Mad can do this

1212
01:06:58,382 --> 01:07:00,684
this and we can't?
And then we were told

1213
01:07:00,717 --> 01:07:02,752
both Mad is a publication and

1214
01:07:02,786 --> 01:07:05,155
there are different
legal parodies.

1215
01:07:05,489 --> 01:07:08,158
What has
must be done by undermining

1216
01:07:08,192 --> 01:07:12,129
the value of a
trademark.
And it's fake

1217
01:07:12,162 --> 01:07:15,632
the idea of the right to parody.

1218
01:07:15,665 --> 01:07:17,767
But when Wacky
Packages come out

1219
01:07:17,801 --> 01:07:21,838
we will often get the stop and stop command  Kellogg Cereal or Pepsi Cola.

1220
01:07:21,871 --> 01:07:24,841
And we have to stop.
Because we were really told

1221
01:07:24,874 --> 01:07:29,079
parodying trademarks
is more serious than

1222
01:07:29,113 --> 01:07:32,316
parody an
idea or concept.

1223
01:07:32,349 --> 01:07:34,684
We are sued,
you know...

1224
01:07:34,718 --> 01:07:37,721
with what we see
being an unfriendly court.
This is a

1225
01:07:37,754 --> 01:07:41,158


1226
01:07:41,191 --> 01:07:45,495
Georgia company.
And the
trial will be held in Georgia.

1227
01:07:45,529 --> 01:07:51,401
In that setting we have to submit
all our initial files to the enemy  camp.
Finally I have
to go to Georgia

1228
01:07:51,435 --> 01:07:54,304
to give a deposition for a
lawyer for Cabbage Patch.

1229
01:07:54,338 --> 01:07:58,308
And I
is really strung about it.

1230
01:07:58,342 --> 01:08:00,777
I'm not looking forward to it.

1231
01:08:00,810 --> 01:08:02,011
Just afraid I would say it was something wrong.
Even though it's true

1232
01:08:02,045 --> 01:08:07,884
but get Topps at
some problems are worse than

1233
01:08:07,917 --> 01:08:12,556
they seem to be going to
being right then.

1234
01:08:12,589 --> 01:08:16,193
Become friends
Representing Cabbage Patch Kids

1235
01:08:16,226 --> 01:08:18,762
they keep asking
questions and they have a court

1236
01:08:18,795 --> 01:08:22,499
reporters type
out the transcript

1237
01:08:22,532 --> 01:08:23,900
from...
from the conversation.

1238
01:08:23,933 --> 01:08:27,237
John will give up
rough sketches to us

1239
01:08:27,271 --> 01:08:29,306


1240
01:08:29,339 --> 01:08:31,308
then we will do it
send it back to finish

1241
01:08:31,341 --> 01:08:36,480
painting.
And there are some
note that someone wrote

1242
01:08:36,513 --> 01:08:41,318
make more, see more
like, you know - Cabbage Patch.

1243
01:08:41,351 --> 01:08:43,920
And then they
dig through my paper and,

1244
01:08:43,953 --> 01:08:44,988
of course,
they found something

1245
01:08:45,021 --> 01:08:47,757
which says it makes them look
like the Cabbage Patch Dolls.

1246
01:08:47,791 --> 01:08:50,194
And they think,
Ah - we have him!

1247
01:08:50,227 --> 01:08:54,398
We feel it might be like a smoking gun.

1248
01:08:54,431 --> 01:08:59,203
We are waiting to go before the judge for this case.

1249
01:08:59,236 --> 01:09:01,338
So we heard
different things that delayed it

1250
01:09:01,371 --> 01:09:04,208
and I'm sure this
isn't true, but it sounds like

1251
01:09:04,241 --> 01:09:06,643
the judge must get a haircut
today so you have to

1252
01:09:06,676 --> 01:09:10,580
take leave.
Or something has happened so you know.

1253
01:09:10,614 --> 01:09:13,417
Then after at
at least a week there we hear

1254
01:09:13,450 --> 01:09:15,452
Oh, well
is settled out of court.

1255
01:09:15,485 --> 01:09:17,387
So, friend
can go home now.

1256
01:09:17,421 --> 01:09:19,556
There are several
negotiations that take place between

1257
01:09:19,589 --> 01:09:22,492
both parties after that
that.
And they make

1258
01:09:22,526 --> 01:09:25,295
settlement.
Topps
finally pays for the right one

1259
01:09:25,329 --> 01:09:30,200
to spoof the
Series Cabbage Patch.

1260
01:09:31,401 --> 01:09:35,672
We agree to pay
royalty to the Cabbage Patch

1261
01:09:35,705 --> 01:09:40,477
people for all previous series
we did it.
And then forward,

1262
01:09:40,510 --> 01:09:42,779
we will
pay royalties.

1263
01:09:42,812 --> 01:09:45,449
Plus, we have
to make changes  where it can't
looks pretty much

1264
01:09:45,482 --> 01:09:47,517
like
Patch the original Cabbage.

1265
01:09:47,551 --> 01:09:49,986
We have to change it
to look a little different.

1266
01:09:50,019 --> 01:09:53,690
I think they pay until it's
sick, but it doesn't hurt

1267
01:09:53,723 --> 01:09:56,593


1268
01:09:56,626 --> 01:09:59,629
enough to stop us from going forward.

1269
01:10:08,272 --> 01:10:10,474
That leads to finally
having the logo being changed

1270
01:10:10,507 --> 01:10:14,278
for Children Garbage Trash
and small arc letters

1271
01:10:14,311 --> 01:10:16,780
changed to banner and
some other changes in

1272
01:10:16,813 --> 01:10:20,617
Physiognomy of children to be made
is what is now becoming

1273
01:10:20,650 --> 01:10:23,019
phenomenon in itself.

1274
01:10:23,052 --> 01:10:26,790
I think Tom compiled a model
-some Tom Bunk sheets,

1275
01:10:26,823 --> 01:10:28,825
You know, some
designs that show

1276
01:10:28,858 --> 01:10:30,794
new characters.
They have to be hard plastic  instead of soft
cloth dolls and have

1277
01:10:30,827 --> 01:10:33,530
different numbers
fingers and must

1278
01:10:33,563 --> 01:10:35,299
has a small jug ear.

1279
01:10:35,332 --> 01:10:37,334
That proportion
is slightly different.

1280
01:10:38,067 --> 01:10:40,837
They will have it
random plastic cracks

1281
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:43,807
in it to be made,
everyone - make it very clear

1282
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,710
they are difficult
sculpture dolls.

1283
01:10:46,743 --> 01:10:50,914


1284
01:10:50,947 --> 01:10:53,049
So I just think about this
won't be funny.

1285
01:10:53,082 --> 01:10:55,719
I don't like it I don't want to paint badly  doll.
I mean it sounds
funny because of us

1286
01:10:55,752 --> 01:10:58,455
trying
makes them dirty.

1287
01:10:58,488 --> 01:10:59,923
But I want them to see it,
I want them to be real

1288
01:10:59,956 --> 01:11:05,061
interesting and fun
whatever negativity is

1289
01:11:05,094 --> 01:11:09,366
they may
have to be done or found.

1290
01:11:09,399 --> 01:11:11,368
I don't like
putting cracks

1291
01:11:11,401 --> 01:11:13,069
in chunka joint
- you know.

1292
01:11:13,102 --> 01:11:15,739
But only that
is the agreement

1293
01:11:15,772 --> 01:11:17,641
maybe.
I feel
it might be Topps

1294
01:11:17,674 --> 01:11:20,310
may agree
too much as far as

1295
01:11:20,344 --> 01:11:25,081
changed
GPK display.

1296
01:11:25,114 --> 01:11:28,017
I don't know how to do it
much we finally got

1297
01:11:28,051 --> 01:11:29,453
do with that design
how many series we did

1298
01:11:29,486 --> 01:11:31,855
but we do fair
number of designs.

1299
01:11:31,888 --> 01:11:32,989


1300
01:11:33,022 --> 01:11:35,792
They are still selling.
They always sell quite a lot

1301
01:11:35,825 --> 01:11:37,527
for Arthur
to enter the room and say

1302
01:11:37,561 --> 01:11:39,563
"Yes we go
to do something else."

1303
01:11:39,596 --> 01:11:42,632
And I think we
finally did 15 or 16 series.

1304
01:11:42,666 --> 01:11:45,769
The change is
smooth but enough for

1305
01:11:45,802 --> 01:11:51,107
type, to kill
the whole concept I thought.

1306
01:11:52,008 --> 01:11:53,777
* If your teacher
says you are ugly *

1307
01:11:53,810 --> 01:11:56,112
* and send your
to the principal *

1308
01:11:56,145 --> 01:11:59,115
* You can become a
Kid's Trash!
*

1309
01:11:59,148 --> 01:12:01,451
* If your parents
say you dress like *

1310
01:12:01,485 --> 01:12:02,652
* You should be in the carnival *  We hear that there will be a movie.

1311
01:12:02,686 --> 01:12:04,554
Of course, we want to get involved creatively involved  and we were told
we didn't go

1312
01:12:04,588 --> 01:12:07,924
being
is creatively involved.

1313
01:12:07,957 --> 01:12:09,393
Hi we
generation Pepsi!

1314
01:12:09,426 --> 01:12:10,927


1315
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,464


1316
01:12:14,498 --> 01:12:18,001
We met Rod Amateau
who is the producer.

1317
01:12:18,034 --> 01:12:20,770
As I recall, we had a meeting in Arthur's office  One day where he
asked us a lot

1318
01:12:20,804 --> 01:12:24,708
general questions about
Children Trash.

1319
01:12:24,741 --> 01:12:26,876
It doesn't really look,
He doesn't seem to really

1320
01:12:26,910 --> 01:12:28,945
understand what that is.

1321
01:12:28,978 --> 01:12:31,448
But he knows they are hot.

1322
01:12:31,481 --> 01:12:33,149
And I think he has an
contract to fulfill this

1323
01:12:33,182 --> 01:12:35,485
will be the project.

1324
01:12:35,519 --> 01:12:36,753
So, I think we are kind of showing
the things we do.

1325
01:12:36,786 --> 01:12:41,991
He will ask
some are very unclear  general questions
about like this character

1326
01:12:42,025 --> 01:12:45,562
or that character.
But, that, basically

1327
01:12:45,595 --> 01:12:48,064
someone who is very non-communicative
meets as I remember.

1328
01:12:48,097 --> 01:12:51,835
But that's what happened
the worst film ever made.

1329
01:12:51,868 --> 01:12:54,571


1330
01:12:54,604 --> 01:12:56,940


1331
01:12:56,973 --> 01:13:00,176
And Rod Amateau I
thinks I have admitted that

1332
01:13:00,209 --> 01:13:02,579
the reason he wrote it
that he has a contract

1333
01:13:02,612 --> 01:13:04,514
to write for sure
number of films

1334
01:13:04,548 --> 01:13:07,884
and this, you know,
things that will end his life

1335
01:13:07,917 --> 01:13:11,421
the contract he wanted
to do and that's why he did it.

1336
01:13:12,489 --> 01:13:14,724
Well, I'm working
quite regularly on the show

1337
01:13:14,758 --> 01:13:19,829
called The Facts Of Life
and has a career,

1338
01:13:19,863 --> 01:13:22,599
if you want.
And that is
summer and so on

1339
01:13:22,632 --> 01:13:25,168
the film came
I was able to audition

1340
01:13:25,201 --> 01:13:27,437
to lead.

1341
01:13:27,471 --> 01:13:31,608
And I'm super-
excited because

1342
01:13:31,641 --> 01:13:34,678
there was so much attention
on the card at that time

1343
01:13:34,711 --> 01:13:36,946
and I know it
will be very popular

1344
01:13:36,980 --> 01:13:40,584
and a big opportunity
and I got the appropriate part

1345
01:13:40,617 --> 01:13:42,852
bills for
Dodger characters.

1346
01:13:42,886 --> 01:13:48,525
Little do I know
that it will end enough

1347
01:13:48,558 --> 01:13:49,626
the film.

1348
01:13:49,659 --> 01:13:52,228
I trust one of those

1349
01:13:52,261 --> 01:13:55,632
easy to remember
quotes from critics are

1350
01:13:55,665 --> 01:13:59,603
they call it "a
stunningly inappropriate and really

1351
01:13:59,636 --> 01:14:04,474
disgraceful film" - that
is - which is it. "

1352
01:14:09,613 --> 01:14:13,617
And I don't really remember the audition

1353
01:14:13,650 --> 01:14:19,255
but I'm happy that
I got the role of Valerie Vomit

1354
01:14:19,288 --> 01:14:21,891
compared to some
from other characters

1355
01:14:21,925 --> 01:14:24,628
because I can't
stand body functions.

1356
01:14:24,661 --> 01:14:26,830
I don't like them to talk about.  When I was called for my role to be called by a friend, I believed it was Phil Fondacaro.  He said he needed to, uh... uh
the production

1357
01:14:38,307 --> 01:14:41,144
= = looking for six to seven small people to play

1358
01:14:41,177 --> 01:14:42,812


1359
01:14:42,846 --> 01:14:45,882


1360
01:14:45,915 --> 01:14:48,017


1361
01:14:48,051 --> 01:14:50,720
several characters.
And that
is the Children of Trash Trash.

1362
01:14:50,754 --> 01:14:52,822
When I arrived
cast for character

1363
01:14:52,856 --> 01:14:55,659
we went to
Atlantic Entertainment

1364
01:14:55,692 --> 01:14:57,961
and meet
John Buechler and Rod

1365
01:14:57,994 --> 01:15:01,731
and they like that
looked at us and said

1366
01:15:01,765 --> 01:15:03,299
You are this character.
You are this character.

1367
01:15:03,332 --> 01:15:07,136
I don't remember
the right casting process

1368
01:15:07,170 --> 01:15:10,840
but I'm honored
to play Windy Winston.

1369
01:15:10,874 --> 01:15:11,941
That's a fun character.

1370
01:15:11,975 --> 01:15:16,813
In fact, I brought a little
of my New Orleans taste  some R & B, some Jazz,
and some attitudes that you know.

1371
01:15:16,846 --> 01:15:21,718
And that's how
I developed character.

1372
01:15:21,751 --> 01:15:24,153
I like the
cultural table instead

1373
01:15:24,187 --> 01:15:27,724
from
Cabbage Patch Kids.

1374
01:15:27,757 --> 01:15:30,326
When is your size
you,

1375
01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:32,028
You don't
can play a neighbor.

1376
01:15:32,061 --> 01:15:35,264


1377
01:15:35,298 --> 01:15:37,601
You don't understand
to play the lead.

1378
01:15:37,634 --> 01:15:42,338
Very, I don't know why.
His
is only one of them

1379
01:15:42,371 --> 01:15:44,207
things... It will happen
good if that happens.

1380
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,776
But we understand
to play some very

1381
01:15:46,810 --> 01:15:48,845
colorful characters.

1382
01:15:48,878 --> 01:15:55,084
Like Ali Gator - I'm green.
As a cheek - I'm brown.

1383
01:15:55,118 --> 01:15:57,320
So I'm thinking
which characters are different

1384
01:15:57,353 --> 01:15:59,623
what he will do,
maybe he comes from like

1385
01:15:59,656 --> 01:16:01,858
New York.
A little
from deng, with...

1386
01:16:01,891 --> 01:16:04,628
They say
is not that type of character.

1387
01:16:04,661 --> 01:16:06,696
Get down a
a little more like dat -

1388
01:16:06,730 --> 01:16:08,164
little
down and inside.

1389
01:16:08,197 --> 01:16:11,868
So I started doing
sounds like that.

1390
01:16:11,901 --> 01:16:13,970
That's how I
really started to get

1391
01:16:14,003 --> 01:16:15,772
sound.
A man who is a little tough.

1392
01:16:15,805 --> 01:16:17,006
Ooh, I spit
all over the place.

1393
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:21,044
Actually it's only my fourth
or fifth audition in Hollywood.

1394
01:16:21,077 --> 01:16:24,748
I heard
Garbage Rubbish or

1395
01:16:24,781 --> 01:16:26,750
Doll Cabbage Patch.

1396
01:16:26,783 --> 01:16:30,053
But I was 22 years old
when I auditioned for this.

1397
01:16:30,086 --> 01:16:33,623
And all the items
are good in a different world so far

1398
01:16:33,657 --> 01:16:36,793
because I'm worried.
I don't know what that is

1399
01:16:36,826 --> 01:16:39,663
- I don't know.

1400
01:16:40,764 --> 01:16:45,168
So the direction of my fart
is actually body movement

1401
01:16:45,201 --> 01:16:48,204
or like
like working, doing it

1402
01:16:48,237 --> 01:16:51,641
And like
finally want whohaaa.

1403
01:16:51,675 --> 01:16:56,412
Ahhh, uh, Aaah.

1404
01:16:56,445 --> 01:16:59,115
Here it is - one more.
Ahhhh....

1405
01:16:59,148 --> 01:17:00,316
And I will drop people.

1406
01:17:00,349 --> 01:17:03,753
You know - they like it - to be
like - God!
It smells.

1407
01:17:18,434 --> 01:17:19,969
I get along with the director,

1408
01:17:20,003 --> 01:17:22,906
Rod Amateau,
the late Rod Amateau.

1409
01:17:22,939 --> 01:17:27,677
And that's where he's the leader with all these crazy people,

1410
01:17:27,711 --> 01:17:29,445
little men wear this

1411
01:17:29,478 --> 01:17:33,082
looks ridiculous
The type of paper mache from the head.

1412
01:17:33,116 --> 01:17:36,152
And he's like, you know,
I don't have to do this film

1413
01:17:36,185 --> 01:17:37,987
You know... it doesn't have my contract to do it...

1414
01:17:38,021 --> 01:17:40,957
Oh that, that's
interesting.
It inspires,

1415
01:17:40,990 --> 01:17:43,126
very confident
statement of the building.

1416
01:17:43,159 --> 01:17:48,064
And of course the movie
has finally become very sad.

1417
01:17:48,097 --> 01:17:49,933
but I think it has become something from

1418
01:17:49,966 --> 01:17:53,069
cult film above
years and some people like it.

1419
01:17:53,102 --> 01:17:55,071
As far as the films
I remember coming in.

1420
01:17:55,104 --> 01:18:01,010
heaps like, snapshots of
some are very rough maybe

1421
01:18:01,044 --> 01:18:04,013
armatures for costumes
and such.

1422
01:18:04,047 --> 01:18:08,484
Of course, you know,
us, someone, Arthur

1423
01:18:08,517 --> 01:18:10,920
or anyone
just approves anything

1424
01:18:10,954 --> 01:18:13,923
and they do not
request our special opinion.

1425
01:18:13,957 --> 01:18:17,360
I know makeup people
will take longer

1426
01:18:17,393 --> 01:18:20,897
to sculpt
head and then

1427
01:18:20,930 --> 01:18:24,834
different things
because of Topps

1428
01:18:24,868 --> 01:18:27,503
will come and say
"no, you can't do it this way

1429
01:18:27,536 --> 01:18:30,173
because
that looks too similar

1430
01:18:30,206 --> 01:18:31,941
Cabbage Patch Kid."

1431
01:18:31,975 --> 01:18:34,043
And they will do it
must change that.

1432
01:18:34,077 --> 01:18:36,813
So the art
is very difficult to try

1433
01:18:36,846 --> 01:18:37,814
to make a head and

1434
01:18:37,847 --> 01:18:40,183
things like that from
different characters.

1435
01:18:40,216 --> 01:18:44,253
Let's talk about the vomit.

1436
01:18:44,287 --> 01:18:49,392
Luckily I'm not in the head
when vomiting occurs.

1437
01:18:49,425 --> 01:18:53,262
It's like a
projectile - it's a head -

1438
01:18:53,296 --> 01:18:55,965
a different head
with an enlarged mouth.

1439
01:18:55,999 --> 01:18:59,102
That's like the
vomiting device I didn't

1440
01:18:59,135 --> 01:19:02,839
know what it is
that pushes out vomit.

1441
01:19:02,872 --> 01:19:06,910
But that is enough, very disgusting.

1442
01:19:07,310 --> 01:19:10,379
I went to
premiere in Times Square.

1443
01:19:10,413 --> 01:19:13,850
I am one of the three
people in the audience  and there is a man
living in the second row

1444
01:19:13,883 --> 01:19:16,119
and it is the premiere of the
Garbage Pail Kids film.

1445
01:19:16,152 --> 01:19:19,555
Do you know what that is? It's so amazing?

1446
01:19:19,588 --> 01:19:23,226
Part of that, I think
comes from being horrible

1447
01:19:23,259 --> 01:19:27,196
execution of a bad idea.

1448
01:19:27,230 --> 01:19:29,265
You know, that's the strength of the cards  is on the card.

1449
01:19:29,298 --> 01:19:32,035
You know, that is
every individual - artwork.

1450
01:19:32,068 --> 01:19:33,102
That's it
strength of things.

1451
01:19:33,136 --> 01:19:36,806
That's why they are sold.

1452
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,842
That's why people like it
- the idea behind artwork.

1453
01:19:38,875 --> 01:19:40,109
And to try to put it in a movie,

1454
01:19:40,143 --> 01:19:42,846


1455
01:19:42,879 --> 01:19:46,149


1456
01:19:46,182 --> 01:19:50,887
that's just, it didn't work and
it was a disaster of failure

1457
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:52,288
in an effort to do it.

1458
01:19:52,321 --> 01:19:53,957
That
is very interesting

1459
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:55,859
about Waste
Pail Kids Film is,

1460
01:19:55,892 --> 01:19:57,526
as a writer now

1461
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:01,230
and producer, someone
who made the family film.

1462
01:20:01,264 --> 01:20:03,266
In fact
they made the film

1463
01:20:03,299 --> 01:20:05,301
very amazing
because it's conflicting

1464
01:20:05,334 --> 01:20:08,037
everything you want to do in a family movie.

1465
01:20:08,071 --> 01:20:10,373
On the one hand, it's like one of them
the films you see back

1466
01:20:10,406 --> 01:20:12,075
- Mac and I -
nothing's certain

1467
01:20:12,108 --> 01:20:14,844
movies where you like
it's really weird

1468
01:20:14,878 --> 01:20:18,414
the period in the 80s where you
could get away with doing things.

1469
01:20:18,447 --> 01:20:21,517
And the filmmakers go
for that in a very strange way

1470
01:20:21,550 --> 01:20:23,619
and they are committed and
we go with this

1471
01:20:23,652 --> 01:20:26,422
really weird
a family cinema.

1472
01:20:26,455 --> 01:20:29,492
That I don't think there will ever be
being like that again.

1473
01:20:29,525 --> 01:20:32,261
You know backwards
is a strong thing.

1474
01:20:32,295 --> 01:20:34,898
So at that time
I had no idea.

1475
01:20:34,931 --> 01:20:38,034
I think I
made Goonies.

1476
01:20:38,067 --> 01:20:42,138
Well, popularity
Garbage Child Trash goes to CBS

1477
01:20:42,171 --> 01:20:44,507
want
air to be produced

1478
01:20:44,540 --> 01:20:48,344
Kid's Rubbish
cartoon on Saturday morning.

1479
01:20:48,377 --> 01:20:50,313
Americans
Family Association

1480
01:20:50,346 --> 01:20:52,949
don't like that
sound.

1481
01:20:52,982 --> 01:20:55,384
You know, here
is this a dirty card

1482
01:20:55,418 --> 01:21:00,656
children fart and explode
and kill each other.

1483
01:21:00,689 --> 01:21:03,192
This is terrible
for children.

1484
01:21:03,226 --> 01:21:07,296
Children will not
like this.
So of course

1485
01:21:07,330 --> 01:21:09,198
They started to write letters  and get
out there you know.

1486
01:21:09,232 --> 01:21:11,067
Boycott CBS.
Boycotting their sponsors!

1487
01:21:11,100 --> 01:21:14,070


1488
01:21:14,103 --> 01:21:15,939
Boycott advertisers!

1489
01:21:15,972 --> 01:21:18,942
And this, you know
fear of bullshit from CBS.

1490
01:21:18,975 --> 01:21:22,678
And for the first time in
their history was completely canceled  a show that
they have produced,

1491
01:21:22,711 --> 01:21:25,014
which is ready to roll.

1492
01:21:25,048 --> 01:21:26,582
Only because of
from public protest

1493
01:21:26,615 --> 01:21:29,018
so it's never shown,
isn't here in the US

1494
01:21:29,052 --> 01:21:31,354
I'm very specific
Remember being in a meeting

1495
01:21:47,336 --> 01:21:49,605
where Stan Hart announced

1496
01:21:49,638 --> 01:21:51,640
to us "It will
never be aired."

1497
01:21:51,674 --> 01:21:54,143
And he's dead right.

1498
01:21:54,177 --> 01:21:56,412
Six months, a year later,

1499
01:21:56,445 --> 01:21:58,114
it gets to the point
is listed on the TV Guide

1500
01:21:58,147 --> 01:22:00,549
but when it's Saturday
morning comes and

1501
01:22:00,583 --> 01:22:02,485
children are set for the event,
it's not there

1502
01:22:02,518 --> 01:22:04,520
and it never aired.

1503
01:22:04,553 --> 01:22:06,222
So, Stan must have
tracks in that one.

1504
01:22:06,255 --> 01:22:10,026


1505
01:22:15,431 --> 01:22:17,566
Interestingly enough, John K,

1506
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,602
Ren and Stimpy's fame,
. You know, before he had

1507
01:22:19,635 --> 01:22:22,605
do that, do some
presentation material

1508
01:22:22,638 --> 01:22:24,707
for that
version of Kid's Trash

1509
01:22:24,740 --> 01:22:26,609
which cartoon,
God will do it  amazing!
You know, so, oh well.

1510
01:22:26,642 --> 01:22:30,579
We continue to do it.
In progress, until series 16

1511
01:22:31,480 --> 01:22:35,718
and I don't know until after that
the work is done on the 16th series

1512
01:22:35,751 --> 01:22:40,389
that - hey, they won't publish it.

1513
01:22:40,423 --> 01:22:42,525
And the thing I heard
was just that sale

1514
01:22:42,558 --> 01:22:45,294
it's quite low
they don't want to do it.

1515
01:22:45,328 --> 01:22:47,430
That is the story that I got at that time.

1516
01:22:47,463 --> 01:22:50,466
Then
suddenly stops.

1517
01:22:52,268 --> 01:22:55,104
And that's at the end of 88.

1518
01:22:55,138 --> 01:22:57,473
Another person
works at Topps

1519
01:23:08,084 --> 01:23:10,053


1520
01:23:10,086 --> 01:23:13,189
is a gentleman by
the name Len Brown who used to be

1521
01:23:13,222 --> 01:23:14,790
my mentor at the time.

1522
01:23:14,823 --> 01:23:16,692
He is one of them
the person who revoked me

1523
01:23:16,725 --> 01:23:18,494
obscurity and said
Hey, why not you,

1524
01:23:18,527 --> 01:23:20,429
You have to do more card sets.

1525
01:23:20,463 --> 01:23:21,630
Next
things you know,

1526
01:23:21,664 --> 01:23:25,134
we keep saying what we want
to return a portion of the old

1527
01:23:25,168 --> 01:23:28,404
brand.
That should be
Bad stickers?

1528
01:23:28,437 --> 01:23:30,139
Should it be a Wacky Package?

1529
01:23:30,173 --> 01:23:31,507
Which do we have to do?

1530
01:23:31,540 --> 01:23:34,743
And... we started and,
well let's bring it back

1531
01:23:34,777 --> 01:23:36,712
Trash Children.
Let's bring it, it's time.

1532
01:23:36,745 --> 01:23:40,283
And a lot of
executives at that time

1533
01:23:40,316 --> 01:23:42,051
sensitive to claims.

1534
01:23:42,851 --> 01:23:44,387
And because
that we are very

1535
01:23:44,420 --> 01:23:47,456
sensitive about how
we will return

1536
01:23:47,490 --> 01:23:49,058
to do
Trash Children.

1537
01:23:49,092 --> 01:23:50,059
and where are the artists?

1538
01:23:50,093 --> 01:23:52,828
It's almost... we have to find everyone again.

1539
01:23:52,861 --> 01:23:55,498
So the idea
is to do

1540
01:23:55,531 --> 01:23:58,201
All new series
Children Trash.

1541
01:23:58,234 --> 01:24:00,536
Don't wait, do they call it "All New"?

1542
01:24:00,569 --> 01:24:02,705
Yes, fine.
Everything is new
- That's the right title.

1543
01:24:02,738 --> 01:24:06,842
And that is basically
will take

1544
01:24:06,875 --> 01:24:11,614
16 unpublished
series.
And then they want it

1545
01:24:11,647 --> 01:24:15,818
to add, I guess it's
six paintings per artist for

1546
01:24:15,851 --> 01:24:19,455
myself and Tom Bunk
to do a new job.

1547
01:24:19,488 --> 01:24:23,092
And Jay Lynch
provides some very, very

1548
01:24:23,126 --> 01:24:26,595
wise, it's clear
picture and he's amazing

1549
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:27,696
to get an idea from.

1550
01:24:27,730 --> 01:24:32,201
And when we restart
the engine for this beautiful car

1551
01:24:32,235 --> 01:24:33,569
that's the name
Trash Children,

1552
01:24:33,602 --> 01:24:35,271
20 years later
or whatever it is.

1553
01:24:35,304 --> 01:24:38,174
We still have the same card,
the same rules and all that.

1554
01:24:38,207 --> 01:24:40,643
We know what we have
to do something different.

1555
01:24:40,676 --> 01:24:43,412
And it took us a while.
I AM ME....

1556
01:24:43,446 --> 01:24:47,416
After you start the art
directs and edits Trash

1557
01:24:47,450 --> 01:24:49,585
Pail Kids you really appreciate what they do  in the original series.

1558
01:24:49,618 --> 01:24:51,820
And I actually used
to spread a lot into the well

1559
01:24:51,854 --> 01:24:55,324
from the old timer.

1560
01:24:55,358 --> 01:24:56,759
Call them, "Art, will you do it?
And... Jay

1561
01:24:56,792 --> 01:24:59,495
Lynch, what will you do?
Len Brown, what will you do?"

1562
01:24:59,528 --> 01:25:03,899
I think there was
surprised after doing work

1563
01:25:03,932 --> 01:25:07,236
that they
print, print differently.

1564
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:08,671


1565
01:25:08,704 --> 01:25:09,905
Technology has changed  whatever it is
is like - 20 years

1566
01:25:09,938 --> 01:25:12,908
from, from & apos; 84 to 2003 there.
And I think, oh this

1567
01:25:12,941 --> 01:25:18,381
is glossy paper and
colors become more detailed.

1568
01:25:18,414 --> 01:25:21,450
And it's like we have to do it
get that kind of thing.

1569
01:25:21,484 --> 01:25:24,853
We are currently doing
Waste Children,

1570
01:25:24,887 --> 01:25:26,689
second series and I
don't like some artists

1571
01:25:26,722 --> 01:25:30,459
we are recruiting
that I was forced to rent.

1572
01:25:30,493 --> 01:25:32,428
That... and it turns out it's not
that I don't like them

1573
01:25:32,461 --> 01:25:36,565
I just don't think so
they are right for this series.

1574
01:25:36,599 --> 01:25:39,235
So I say you know
what I think I can paint

1575
01:25:39,268 --> 01:25:41,270
as good or better
than they and I go

1576
01:25:41,304 --> 01:25:43,306
but I'm not a painter.
I am not a good painter.

1577
01:25:43,339 --> 01:25:46,342
I don't - I don't think I am good.

1578
01:25:46,375 --> 01:25:47,743


1579
01:25:47,776 --> 01:25:49,645
So I made a work,

1580
01:25:49,678 --> 01:25:51,447
Didn't say
that's from me,

1581
01:25:51,480 --> 01:25:53,482
and it's approved
and all that.

1582
01:25:53,516 --> 01:25:54,750
And then I said
Hey, that's...

1583
01:25:54,783 --> 01:25:57,220
I really painted it,
I drew it.

1584
01:25:57,253 --> 01:25:58,421
And now
is Armed Arnie.

1585
01:25:58,454 --> 01:26:00,289
Like that Armed
Arnie came.

1586
01:26:00,323 --> 01:26:05,394
And but at least it shows the
I want to show them like,

1587
01:26:05,428 --> 01:26:06,629
Hey I'm not a good
painter and

1588
01:26:06,662 --> 01:26:09,632
if we employ this
to make people better than me.

1589
01:26:09,665 --> 01:26:11,767
And that's
when we get Brent.

1590
01:26:13,736 --> 01:26:15,971
After college, I went bankrupt  so I moved with me
actual brother and first

1591
01:26:16,004 --> 01:26:19,442
live in the basement.

1592
01:26:19,475 --> 01:26:20,376
I already got
many refusal letters

1593
01:26:20,409 --> 01:26:22,511
from different
comic book companies.

1594
01:26:22,545 --> 01:26:23,779


1595
01:26:23,812 --> 01:26:25,914
And, um,
but I got

1596
01:26:25,948 --> 01:26:28,284
Permanent work to do
is feasible for a while.

1597
01:26:28,317 --> 01:26:30,686
So I finally sent it to Jeff

1598
01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:32,655
and he sent me an email and then

1599
01:26:32,688 --> 01:26:35,758
asks if I want to try
and paint a child for trash.

1600
01:26:35,791 --> 01:26:38,861
And that is Jay Lynch
concept.
That's really

1601
01:26:38,894 --> 01:26:39,995
stressed at that time.

1602
01:26:40,028 --> 01:26:46,635
I seem to feel like I finally made it or something  This is Pat of Gold here.

1603
01:26:48,971 --> 01:26:51,374
This one is Leafy Larry.

1604
01:26:53,909 --> 01:26:57,913
Oh, my goodness, I can't remember this name.

1605
01:27:02,818 --> 01:27:05,020
I think this is a Ralph Roll-up.

1606
01:27:05,053 --> 01:27:08,591
That's what this is -
Ralph Roll-up.

1607
01:27:08,624 --> 01:27:10,726
Jeff said, "Hey,
you know...

1608
01:27:10,759 --> 01:27:12,461
we are looking for GPK
artist and also

1609
01:27:12,495 --> 01:27:15,364
Artist Package Strange.
do you think

1610
01:27:15,398 --> 01:27:17,466
this is something
that you will be interested in?"

1611
01:27:17,500 --> 01:27:19,735


1612
01:27:19,768 --> 01:27:23,672
And you know, inside me
just jumped with joy.

1613
01:27:23,706 --> 01:27:25,641
I have to have a
poker face because

1614
01:27:25,674 --> 01:27:28,744
again I collected GPK
and Wacky Package as children.

1615
01:27:28,777 --> 01:27:30,413
And at that time
I don't even know

1616
01:27:30,446 --> 01:27:33,048
that Children Trash Trash
has returned, you know,

1617
01:27:33,081 --> 01:27:34,950
I only think about it
- only in the 80s.

1618
01:27:40,756 --> 01:27:43,459
My first set
worked in 2005.

1619
01:27:43,492 --> 01:27:46,395
But definitely remember
drawing my own garbage bucket child

1620
01:27:46,429 --> 01:27:48,063
and show it
for my mother - things like that

1621
01:27:48,096 --> 01:27:49,565
and try to fool it  that they are
Real Pail Trash Kids.

1622
01:27:49,598 --> 01:27:50,966
So I
remember that.

1623
01:27:50,999 --> 01:27:52,134
And I always remember
bringing them around with me  in large stacks like
rubber band stacks

1624
01:27:52,167 --> 01:27:54,737
cards and always just
see them everywhere

1625
01:27:54,770 --> 01:27:57,873


1626
01:27:57,906 --> 01:28:00,509


1627
01:28:00,543 --> 01:28:02,411
I left and
brought them with me.

1628
01:28:14,923 --> 01:28:16,925
And they gave me a very cool character:

1629
01:28:16,959 --> 01:28:18,994
Split Kit, which is one of the original designs,

1630
01:28:19,027 --> 01:28:21,530
who is like a normal child and
then just put half and him

1631
01:28:21,564 --> 01:28:22,998
like this
little teenage bastard.

1632
01:28:23,031 --> 01:28:25,033
I think he has an actual
gun.

1633
01:28:25,067 --> 01:28:27,370
It's funny because
we can't paint weapons anymore.

1634
01:28:27,403 --> 01:28:28,804
When we get it
take a classic character

1635
01:28:28,837 --> 01:28:30,506
and enter them
modern situation that I enjoy.

1636
01:28:30,539 --> 01:28:32,007
Because of that
right then

1637
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:34,477
back like OK,
this is what I grew up together.

1638
01:28:34,510 --> 01:28:38,514
I am now really painting
The Children of the Trash I saw.

1639
01:28:43,852 --> 01:28:45,788
Every time someone knows
I am an Garbage Pail Kids artist

1640
01:28:45,821 --> 01:28:47,723
the first thing they say is
"You have the coolest job ever."

1641
01:28:47,756 --> 01:28:49,358
So it's exciting.

1642
01:28:49,392 --> 01:28:52,428
And I have been asked to go to my son's school  to talk with children and I
have they come with them themselves  The Idea of a Funny Package
and the ideas of the Trash Pail Kid.

1643
01:28:52,461 --> 01:28:54,997
And my son, and my son...
he has his friends coming

1644
01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:58,066
and they
ask me

1645
01:28:58,100 --> 01:29:04,640
to do Trash
Pail Kids for them.

1646
01:29:04,673 --> 01:29:05,808
So that's
pretty cool

1647
01:29:05,841 --> 01:29:07,476
all children
around the environment,

1648
01:29:07,510 --> 01:29:08,811
always try to
come there and give

1649
01:29:08,844 --> 01:29:10,446
my idea or
get their name there

1650
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,715
or try
do something with it.

1651
01:29:12,748 --> 01:29:13,949
Topps is one of the few places

1652
01:29:13,982 --> 01:29:16,785
I work at your place
actually, physically will paint

1653
01:29:17,886 --> 01:29:19,488


1654
01:29:19,522 --> 01:29:21,790


1655
01:29:21,824 --> 01:29:24,960
something.
Most of the companies
I have worked for what they want

1656
01:29:24,993 --> 01:29:27,730
like digital,
is something digital in color.

1657
01:29:27,763 --> 01:29:31,534
It's very rare for
to actually do

1658
01:29:31,567 --> 01:29:35,871
actual painting
like actual airbrushing.

1659
01:29:35,904 --> 01:29:37,540
Like physical
clogs it up.

1660
01:29:37,573 --> 01:29:41,043
I like
wearing a respirator

1661
01:29:41,076 --> 01:29:43,145
so you
don't breathe smoke.

1662
01:29:43,178 --> 01:29:45,981
This is far different from sitting on your computer.

1663
01:30:07,570 --> 01:30:10,072
So, my mother had
died when I was 10 years old

1664
01:30:10,105 --> 01:30:13,609
cancer and me
dad raised three sons:

1665
01:30:13,642 --> 01:30:15,778
myself, two
brothers.

1666
01:30:15,811 --> 01:30:17,713
I mean I am 10 years old

1667
01:30:17,746 --> 01:30:20,516
and Trash Trash
Children came out in 1985

1668
01:30:20,549 --> 01:30:22,217
and that's it.
I like that.

1669
01:30:22,250 --> 01:30:24,453
And yes, I
Father is very accepting.

1670
01:30:24,487 --> 01:30:27,623
He was just, all this time
when we were happy

1671
01:30:27,656 --> 01:30:29,091
and we take care of ourselves.

1672
01:30:29,124 --> 01:30:31,894
That's good for him.
And that's good for us.

1673
01:30:31,927 --> 01:30:34,162
So, and it's made
we get along a little -

1674
01:30:34,196 --> 01:30:36,665
between our time
is watching professional

1675
01:30:36,699 --> 01:30:38,534
wrestling and
hit each other, so.

1676
01:30:38,567 --> 01:30:40,769
What's great
about Children Trash,

1677
01:30:40,803 --> 01:30:43,639
each artist has what kind of sensitivity

1678
01:30:43,672 --> 01:30:48,911
the humor they put into it.
And that's really, when the viewer

1679
01:30:48,944 --> 01:30:52,515
see it, there are many of these
artists interpretations of

1680
01:30:52,548 --> 01:30:54,149
vomiting.
Because you can
come with that joke

1681
01:30:54,182 --> 01:31:00,055
from, you know, some
children jump from the roof,

1682
01:31:00,088 --> 01:31:04,860
or whatever, but that
the way the artist draws it

1683
01:31:04,893 --> 01:31:07,796
and make it
where it's not dangerous,

1684
01:31:07,830 --> 01:31:10,566
it's funny and
he is sensitive to him.

1685
01:31:10,599 --> 01:31:15,804
I think that's what people come out of.

1686
01:31:15,838 --> 01:31:18,507
And they see it
and they have a split

1687
01:31:18,541 --> 01:31:19,675
the second when they read it,

1688
01:31:19,708 --> 01:31:22,511
they have little contact
with the artist who drew it,

1689
01:31:22,711 --> 01:31:26,048
and the artist
interpretation of the event.

1690
01:31:26,081 --> 01:31:28,884
You know, that's
the performance

1691
01:31:28,917 --> 01:31:31,787
and the artist
never heard applause.

1692
01:31:31,820 --> 01:31:36,992
But I think I heard it
Chuckles here and there

1693
01:31:37,025 --> 01:31:41,530
worth
the price of the entrance ticket.

1694
01:31:43,599 --> 01:31:47,603
Blanche, go down.

1695
01:32:01,750 --> 01:32:03,752
After the
high school I moved to

1696
01:32:03,786 --> 01:32:05,888
New York to enter school
Visual Arts in Manhattan.

1697
01:32:05,921 --> 01:32:09,625
I majored in cartoon
which is a real department,

1698
01:32:09,658 --> 01:32:11,193
believe it or not.
We have lots of professors  is in DC Comics.

1699
01:32:11,226 --> 01:32:13,128
They write and illustrate
for DC, Mad Magazine.

1700
01:32:13,161 --> 01:32:15,864


1701
01:32:15,898 --> 01:32:18,701
So we
were trained by many of them

1702
01:32:18,734 --> 01:32:20,035
in basic storytelling too.

1703
01:32:20,068 --> 01:32:23,071
How to tell a story, how to produce a theme and

1704
01:32:23,105 --> 01:32:25,340
so it seems we like that
trained as a writer too.

1705
01:32:25,373 --> 01:32:27,610
Which helps to do the
the Garbage Pail Kids now

1706
01:32:27,643 --> 01:32:29,812
because it's like,
half of it writes.

1707
01:32:29,845 --> 01:32:31,947
We have to write a
concept or joke.

1708
01:32:31,980 --> 01:32:34,349
You know not coming
Only you know doing art

1709
01:32:34,382 --> 01:32:36,752
but come with an idea.

1710
01:32:36,785 --> 01:32:38,787
I still collect the children's writing  Children say, "I
bought this and my father and..."

1711
01:32:38,821 --> 01:32:42,057
and I like children's letters
because I'm like happy kids

1712
01:32:42,090 --> 01:32:45,628
bought it because I remember
when I was a kid and it meant a lot

1713
01:32:45,661 --> 01:32:47,996
a lot for me
buy these items.

1714
01:32:48,030 --> 01:32:51,099


1715
01:32:51,133 --> 01:32:53,936
So when I heard from
the kids were kind of really good.

1716
01:32:53,969 --> 01:32:56,271
I saw my first
Rubbish card Kid

1717
01:32:56,304 --> 01:33:02,310
in 2012 at Target.
I'm shopping at Target.

1718
01:33:02,344 --> 01:33:05,948
And then I saw this
pack of cards and I said.

1719
01:33:05,981 --> 01:33:08,216
"What is that, ma'am?"
And my mother said,

1720
01:33:08,250 --> 01:33:11,654
"They are Trash
Pail Kids;
they are dirty cards.

1721
01:33:11,687 --> 01:33:12,454
But, do you want to?"

1722
01:33:12,487 --> 01:33:15,858
I said yes. "
I am very excited.  I can't wait.

1723
01:33:15,891 --> 01:33:18,060
So I open it
in the car and I think

1724
01:33:18,093 --> 01:33:20,195
they are the best thing ever.

1725
01:33:20,228 --> 01:33:22,665
I know about them,

1726
01:33:22,698 --> 01:33:24,933
I entered them, and
I don't know there

1727
01:33:24,967 --> 01:33:28,036
is an old series.
So I saw on YouTube

1728
01:33:28,070 --> 01:33:31,206
and I studied there
is an older series.

1729
01:33:31,239 --> 01:33:35,844


1730
01:33:35,878 --> 01:33:40,148
So there are a lot of neat GPK websites out there.

1731
01:33:40,182 --> 01:33:42,217
When I came
with GPKCustoms

1732
01:33:42,250 --> 01:33:45,821
there is already
already Harun site

1733
01:33:45,854 --> 01:33:49,091
GPK World which I actually
used to find artists.

1734
01:33:49,124 --> 01:33:52,394
There is a GPK Underground
which is an extraordinary forum

1735
01:33:52,427 --> 01:33:53,762
where you can
meet other people

1736
01:33:53,796 --> 01:33:55,130
whom
is interested in collecting

1737
01:33:55,163 --> 01:33:56,732
and trade
Children Trash.

1738
01:33:56,765 --> 01:34:01,704
So there are so many different
nuanced groups that you can find

1739
01:34:01,737 --> 01:34:05,073
from various aspects
GPK toys

1740
01:34:05,107 --> 01:34:09,011
or Cheap Toys
or pop-up toys.

1741
01:34:09,044 --> 01:34:10,746
It seems like that
is something for everyone  love GPK as children.

1742
01:34:10,779 --> 01:34:12,447
And I found this
that amazing website

1743
01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:14,416
has been documented
each.

1744
01:34:14,449 --> 01:34:16,384
And that's when I saw
e-bay and realized them

1745
01:34:16,418 --> 01:34:18,420


1746
01:34:18,453 --> 01:34:20,155
actually very valuable now.

1747
01:34:20,188 --> 01:34:22,157
That's a lot of people
not saving their cards

1748
01:34:22,190 --> 01:34:23,992
so pure
conditions like I have.

1749
01:34:24,026 --> 01:34:26,161
Yes you know the cards themselves  now there are many
values too.
I mean that

1750
01:34:26,194 --> 01:34:28,931
amazing what happened, for
find the closed box from series one,

1751
01:34:28,964 --> 01:34:33,101
first it is very difficult
looking.
And if you do it, it can

1752
01:34:33,135 --> 01:34:36,438
bring from anywhere
three to five thousand dollars.

1753
01:34:36,471 --> 01:34:38,907
As far as prices go up
in the original series box,

1754
01:34:38,941 --> 01:34:43,078
they are not there
a lot.
So the price must go up.

1755
01:34:43,111 --> 01:34:48,350
Each card is rated,
which of course is the type

1756
01:34:48,383 --> 01:34:52,855
newer things.

1757
01:34:52,888 --> 01:34:56,191
People buy cards and
then they get them incapsulated  and rated
by third-party authenticators.

1758
01:34:56,224 --> 01:34:59,461


1759
01:34:59,494 --> 01:35:02,097


1760
01:35:02,130 --> 01:35:06,101
And if that
returns 9 or 10 on

1761
01:35:06,134 --> 01:35:10,472
scale 1 to 10,
10 medium - mint gem.

1762
01:35:10,505 --> 01:35:17,379
Cards like Nasty
Nick, 1A, can be $ 3000.

1763
01:35:17,412 --> 01:35:20,348
I do other genres
besides Trash Pail Kids.

1764
01:35:20,382 --> 01:35:26,855
I do Marvel
items.
I'm also working on another

1765
01:35:26,889 --> 01:35:30,458
brand for Topps,
Mars attack as an artist.

1766
01:35:30,492 --> 01:35:33,996
And there's nothing

1767
01:35:34,029 --> 01:35:37,132
which approaches
secondary market

1768
01:35:37,165 --> 01:35:41,369
sketch cards or original art
when heading to Wacky

1769
01:35:41,403 --> 01:35:43,271
and Trash
Item Pail Kids.

1770
01:35:49,444 --> 01:35:55,117
The original series -
art applies to thousands of people.

1771
01:35:57,319 --> 01:36:00,022
Original art
these magnificent cards

1772
01:36:00,055 --> 01:36:03,558
or you only know 5 "by 7"

1773
01:36:03,591 --> 01:36:06,394
which is kind of
interesting that they are not

1774
01:36:06,428 --> 01:36:07,462
much bigger
than the card itself.

1775
01:36:07,495 --> 01:36:11,333
They are around 2.
When do you
see them directly.

1776
01:36:11,366 --> 01:36:14,102
They are so
full of color and technique

1777
01:36:14,136 --> 01:36:18,440
and all of them are used
to make these images.

1778
01:36:18,473 --> 01:36:21,109
This is very impressive.

1779
01:36:21,143 --> 01:36:26,849
I was impressed by myself
with the price they earned.

1780
01:36:26,882 --> 01:36:31,486
Of course, the first series
painting can go anywhere

1781
01:36:31,519 --> 01:36:34,022
You know 20 to 30
thousand dollars are dependent  who or what it is.
which card is that

1782
01:36:34,056 --> 01:36:39,862
represents and is used for.

1783
01:36:39,895 --> 01:36:42,164
The second series
You start to see

1784
01:36:42,197 --> 01:36:44,566
You know going
somewhere in the range of $ 15,000

1785
01:36:44,599 --> 01:36:47,202
Another $ 20,000 range
depends on which card.

1786
01:36:47,235 --> 01:36:50,873
And the third series,
is at 10

1787
01:36:50,906 --> 01:36:54,442
You know
$ 10 to $ 15,000.

1788
01:36:54,476 --> 01:36:56,544
So, you really see

1789
01:36:56,578 --> 01:36:58,613
You know the heavy duty
action on these things

1790
01:36:58,646 --> 01:37:01,283
as an artwork
is not only that which can be billed

1791
01:37:01,316 --> 01:37:04,486


1792
01:37:04,519 --> 01:37:07,122
but people are looking for
doing it in a different way.

1793
01:37:07,155 --> 01:37:10,893
Now, Adam Bomb, the most iconic of all  Children Trash Trash
is clear.
I think

1794
01:37:10,926 --> 01:37:13,896
is the Mona Lisa of
art card trading.
Right?

1795
01:37:13,929 --> 01:37:20,268
I mean, you think about it,
When you think about,

1796
01:37:20,302 --> 01:37:23,338
pop in the 1980s and
culture in general,

1797
01:37:23,371 --> 01:37:26,374
that's one of them
iconic images.

1798
01:37:26,408 --> 01:37:29,211
There are no questions about that.

1799
01:37:29,244 --> 01:37:31,880
So, you know if I am asked
judge the Bom Adam painting,

1800
01:37:32,647 --> 01:37:37,485
I will see it very much
light that is different from

1801
01:37:37,519 --> 01:37:40,355
other paintings.
And I've given
that a lot of thought and you

1802
01:37:40,388 --> 01:37:45,928
know if someone has it
and want to confirm it,

1803
01:37:45,961 --> 01:37:49,031
I will not insure it for anything less than

1804
01:37:49,064 --> 01:37:51,333


1805
01:37:51,366 --> 01:37:54,136
a quarter of a
million dollars at this point.

1806
01:37:54,169 --> 01:37:55,971
Well that's cool
things about being a GPK

1807
01:37:56,004 --> 01:37:58,273
artist is we get this

1808
01:37:58,306 --> 01:38:01,543
this fan commission
and for some fans

1809
01:38:01,576 --> 01:38:03,378
You know,
money is not an object.

1810
01:38:03,411 --> 01:38:06,014
You know, they will be willing and ready to pay  for whatever
commission they want.

1811
01:38:06,048 --> 01:38:09,017
Hey Joe!

1812
01:38:21,663 --> 01:38:23,165
James!
How are you?

1813
01:38:23,198 --> 01:38:24,599
Nice to meet you
personally.
Come in!

1814
01:38:24,632 --> 01:38:26,368
Right!
Thank you buddy.

1815
01:38:26,401 --> 01:38:28,070
So some of the
artists I originally found

1816
01:38:28,103 --> 01:38:30,472
are those people
only have a website.

1817
01:38:30,505 --> 01:38:32,074
So Brent Engstrom and
Tom Bunk are part of

1818
01:38:32,107 --> 01:38:35,510
the first artist
I was originally assigned.

1819
01:38:35,543 --> 01:38:38,013
Initially it started
is quite simple  single character
and then I realized that

1820
01:38:38,046 --> 01:38:41,283


1821
01:38:41,316 --> 01:38:45,053


1822
01:38:45,087 --> 01:38:49,424
the thing I think everyone
wants at some point.

1823
01:38:49,457 --> 01:38:51,226
is having
rubbish from children's waste  self.
And I understand
a painting from my whole  family as a child of rubbish bins.
And then from that I

1824
01:38:51,259 --> 01:38:55,597
like wow you can do more
when you have a full painting

1825
01:38:55,630 --> 01:39:00,635
from these small cards.

1826
01:39:00,668 --> 01:39:04,172
And I started thinking
what I wanted to see.

1827
01:39:04,206 --> 01:39:05,340
I want to see everything
Ghostbusters!

1828
01:39:05,373 --> 01:39:09,477
Well you only want
they all stand up?

1829
01:39:09,511 --> 01:39:11,279
They are like that
Must do something.

1830
01:39:11,313 --> 01:39:13,381
So what will they do?

1831
01:39:13,415 --> 01:39:15,717
So I started
imagine these sketches.

1832
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:17,185
My wife is very supportive of my collection of rubbish bins  but he is not a big fan.

1833
01:39:17,219 --> 01:39:19,487
But my two children
love Trash Pail Kids.

1834
01:39:44,246 --> 01:39:47,682


1835
01:39:47,715 --> 01:39:49,584


1836
01:39:49,617 --> 01:39:53,088


1837
01:39:53,121 --> 01:39:57,025
And do you like to draw or make your own garbage bin
?

1838
01:39:57,059 --> 01:39:59,794
Well, I
have an idea in my head.

1839
01:39:59,827 --> 01:40:01,329
I have got the name:

1840
01:40:01,363 --> 01:40:04,399
Stapled Stan and him
like being clamped everywhere.

1841
01:40:04,432 --> 01:40:07,335
His mouth
is clamped together.

1842
01:40:07,369 --> 01:40:09,537
You know how some
Rubbish rubbish kids have like

1843
01:40:09,571 --> 01:40:10,538
their tongues sticking out?

1844
01:40:10,572 --> 01:40:13,175
His tongue is like being clamped.

1845
01:40:13,208 --> 01:40:18,680
Hands, fingers pinned
together, all of them clamped.

1846
01:40:19,847 --> 01:40:21,549
He's all
pinned together!

1847
01:40:21,583 --> 01:40:24,619
Rubbish
Pail Kids is a joke.

1848
01:40:24,652 --> 01:40:28,356
Look - cow
jumps over

1849
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:31,226
milk shed the moon.

1850
01:40:33,195 --> 01:40:39,067
They are very funny to me.
They are very deceptive.

1851
01:40:41,869 --> 01:40:48,576
This is too much
baby headed.

1852
01:40:48,610 --> 01:40:50,745
When I first got the Trash Pail Kids,
shortly after that I
was actually diagnosed

1853
01:40:50,778 --> 01:40:54,149


1854
01:40:54,182 --> 01:40:57,452
with non-
cancer of Burkitt Hodgkin's lymphoma.

1855
01:40:57,485 --> 01:41:01,723
And while I have the first
series I don't have

1856
01:41:01,756 --> 01:41:05,327
other sets because I
in and out of the hospital.

1857
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:08,196
And my mother knew that
they would be a big thing.

1858
01:41:08,230 --> 01:41:10,665
So he bought me
more cards.

1859
01:41:10,698 --> 01:41:13,668
Like there is a small child
there without hair

1860
01:41:13,701 --> 01:41:16,171
and looks sick
and children don't know

1861
01:41:16,204 --> 01:41:18,140
if you can't
catch cancer or not.

1862
01:41:18,173 --> 01:41:19,674
They only see -
someone's sick

1863
01:41:19,707 --> 01:41:20,675
and run away.

1864
01:41:20,708 --> 01:41:23,311
But I have these cards
everyone really wants it

1865
01:41:23,345 --> 01:41:27,115
so they were willing to
approach me because they knew

1866
01:41:27,149 --> 01:41:29,784
that, hey if you want
sale and purchase Nasty Nick

1867
01:41:29,817 --> 01:41:30,718
there is the only man who

1868
01:41:30,752 --> 01:41:33,121
will have it
so you better go

1869
01:41:33,155 --> 01:41:34,622
and see what you can get.

1870
01:41:34,656 --> 01:41:37,659
So, that's the way it is,
that I don't feel shunned and

1871
01:41:37,692 --> 01:41:39,561
or an outcast at all.
I actually feel like

1872
01:41:39,594 --> 01:41:42,197
people want to be near me.

1873
01:41:42,230 --> 01:41:44,199
I will never,
never sell this card.

1874
01:41:44,232 --> 01:41:46,901
This is part of my childhood.

1875
01:41:46,934 --> 01:41:50,238
This is what makes
this whole business

1876
01:41:50,272 --> 01:41:54,142
collecting happens,
you know, is that attachment

1877
01:41:54,176 --> 01:41:57,545
for things that you have,
things that you lose,

1878
01:41:57,579 --> 01:41:59,381
the things you
never, but want

1879
01:41:59,414 --> 01:42:02,484
and now you can.
That's all about this.

1880
01:42:02,517 --> 01:42:04,919
So yes, I have this
.

1881
01:42:04,952 --> 01:42:07,522
And I like WOW
this is sensational

1882
01:42:07,555 --> 01:42:09,691
artwork, the level
artwork for me is,

1883
01:42:09,724 --> 01:42:10,692
that's what really made me.

1884
01:42:10,725 --> 01:42:12,694
I do not know if there is nothing


1885
01:42:12,727 --> 01:42:15,330
like Trash Trash
Children in the 80s!

1886
01:42:15,363 --> 01:42:18,266
30 years later, is
they talking about Willow?

1887
01:42:18,300 --> 01:42:21,636
Well, they
talked about Garbage Trash!

1888
01:42:22,504 --> 01:42:25,573
That's why the live actors
are for- I'll get it

1889
01:42:25,607 --> 01:42:28,743
teary eyes - people
appreciate their work.

1890
01:42:28,776 --> 01:42:32,914
It's just cherry
icing on the cake!

1891
01:42:32,947 --> 01:42:35,583
Thank you, friends!

1892
01:42:35,617 --> 01:42:38,420
But I really spent
some time in the care center

1893
01:42:38,453 --> 01:42:41,556
in this beginning
decade.
That's good because

1894
01:42:41,589 --> 01:42:44,359
I work hard and it's good.
Part of care

1895
01:42:44,392 --> 01:42:47,529
is that you go to
- You see a psychologist

1896
01:42:47,562 --> 01:42:49,231
three times a week.
And that's actually

1897
01:42:49,264 --> 01:42:52,600
very, very helpful.
That's part of rehabilitation  a facility where we talked to a psychologist and one day,

1898
01:42:52,634 --> 01:42:57,272


1899
01:42:57,305 --> 01:43:01,909
I took clips from YouTube
from Children Trash to

1900
01:43:01,943 --> 01:43:05,447
show to a psychologist.
And I swear to them this

1901
01:43:05,480 --> 01:43:08,483
close to offering me a drink.

1902
01:43:13,488 --> 01:43:15,490
I think one of those things
things kids do

1903
01:43:15,523 --> 01:43:18,860
losing today.
There is so much access

1904
01:43:18,893 --> 01:43:23,731
information doesn't really exist
that phase in their lives where

1905
01:43:23,765 --> 01:43:28,002
they can explore it,
kind of teenager

1906
01:43:28,035 --> 01:43:30,872
that Kids
Pail Trash lets you explore.

1907
01:43:30,905 --> 01:43:33,741
Where sure it is
maybe not too

1908
01:43:33,775 --> 01:43:35,910
what your parents
want but not terrible.

1909
01:43:35,943 --> 01:43:39,881
Just a little
little dirt.
It's not dirty.

1910
01:43:39,914 --> 01:43:43,285
But my father said
I am the patron saint

1911
01:43:43,318 --> 01:43:46,354
from the 80s and
Children Trash.

1912
01:43:46,388 --> 01:43:49,391
So I keep trying
continuously and continuously

1913
01:43:49,424 --> 01:43:53,428
to make more people like it
these cards because I think

1914
01:43:53,461 --> 01:43:55,663
more people have to have it.

1915
01:43:56,631 --> 01:44:03,705
GPK has two things that I feel
that kind of shapes the brand.

1916
01:44:03,738 --> 01:44:05,740
This is dirty humor.
And then there is also

1917
01:44:05,773 --> 01:44:08,743
social comments.
And I think of those two things,

1918
01:44:08,776 --> 01:44:10,778
You will always have
dirty people  something.
And then you always like that
will have people who like

1919
01:44:10,812 --> 01:44:14,048
art that you know social
comments are represented in art.

1920
01:44:14,081 --> 01:44:17,819
I always feel it
must be funny.

1921
01:44:17,852 --> 01:44:21,923
If you make cool items
you have to make it funny.

1922
01:44:21,956 --> 01:44:25,560
So to maintain this
balance and balance

1923
01:44:25,593 --> 01:44:28,930
I think that's what
is very good about it.

1924
01:44:28,963 --> 01:44:31,065
That... and we can
even more than that.

1925
01:44:31,098 --> 01:44:35,403
Because of me...
I keep going.

1926
01:44:35,437 --> 01:44:39,774


1927
01:44:39,807 --> 01:44:42,677
You always have to question
the whole establishment.

1928
01:44:42,710 --> 01:44:45,347
This is
this establishment you know.

1929
01:44:45,380 --> 01:44:49,851
If you don't question it,
You will soon get Adolf Hitler.

1930
01:44:59,527 --> 01:45:01,963
It really has
independent life after

1931
01:45:01,996 --> 01:45:06,668
giant
Success of Cabbage Patch,

1932
01:45:06,701 --> 01:45:09,771
Garbage Trash becomes a giant
success yourself.

1933
01:45:09,804 --> 01:45:13,475
It gets its wings
as a separate phenomenon.

1934
01:45:13,508 --> 01:45:15,109
Howard the Duck doesn't work, but I'm happy  something works well for Topps.

1935
01:45:15,142 --> 01:45:17,111
It tastes good.
I'm a
little bit confused about that

1936
01:45:17,144 --> 01:45:23,117
obsessive that some of these people
about series.

1937
01:45:23,150 --> 01:45:26,053
I mean, we are making this
for the mass market.

1938
01:45:26,087 --> 01:45:28,423
We don't make
them for collectors.
We have

1939
01:45:28,456 --> 01:45:30,057
does not make them for fanatics.
We don't make

1940
01:45:30,091 --> 01:45:32,860


1941
01:45:32,894 --> 01:45:35,530
they are to complete.
We make it for children.

1942
01:45:35,563 --> 01:45:39,133
And I think a little is missing now.

1943
01:45:39,166 --> 01:45:42,637
This is more than that
sort of a fan focus.

1944
01:45:42,670 --> 01:45:46,073
This is narrower than broadcasting.

1945
01:45:46,107 --> 01:45:48,876
As an art director
for Children Trash,

1946
01:45:48,910 --> 01:45:52,980
part of it is a psychiatrist
.
Every artist

1947
01:45:53,014 --> 01:45:57,018
have their own problems,
their own dynamics and

1948
01:45:57,051 --> 01:46:00,688
I took over such a brand.
It has history like that.

1949
01:46:00,722 --> 01:46:02,690
Able to speak with the original
artist

1950
01:46:02,724 --> 01:46:07,495
I grew up and was admired
and found out how great they were

1951
01:46:07,529 --> 01:46:10,965
and also they helped teach
I became a good editor.

1952
01:46:10,998 --> 01:46:13,134
I will never forget it.
I consider John Pound

1953
01:46:13,167 --> 01:46:16,604
like a father to me.
And if I'm a little teary

1954
01:46:16,638 --> 01:46:19,173
eyed, excuse me.
But he... without him  I have never been able to do it.
So, thank you, John.

1955
01:46:19,206 --> 01:46:22,510
I just like doing it
works and I feel proud of it

1956
01:46:22,544 --> 01:46:25,580
and love it
they have a place in pop music

1957
01:46:25,613 --> 01:46:28,115
cultural arena
and on the market.

1958
01:46:28,149 --> 01:46:31,419
And that's me
has worked in print media.

1959
01:46:31,453 --> 01:46:32,954
And that's true
funny things and silly things.

1960
01:46:32,987 --> 01:46:35,990
I'm proud to be silly!

1961
01:46:36,023 --> 01:46:40,862
Performing a Philly Non-sport card.

1962
01:46:45,733 --> 01:46:47,935
We have a manufacturer here this morning  and seven artists.

1963
01:46:49,236 --> 01:46:52,073
Please stop by and say
hello to everyone.

1964
01:46:52,106 --> 01:46:55,076
I started hearing
back in the 1980s

1965
01:46:55,109 --> 01:46:59,080
that the trading card is no longer a factor with the children  they are moved
to video games, computers,

1966
01:46:59,113 --> 01:47:01,148
all kinds of other things,
and they don't care

1967
01:47:01,182 --> 01:47:04,886


1968
01:47:04,919 --> 01:47:08,490


1969
01:47:08,523 --> 01:47:11,559


1970
01:47:11,593 --> 01:47:14,061
collect more
cardboard pieces.

1971
01:47:14,095 --> 01:47:17,999
The turn of the
century we have Pokemon and Yugioh

1972
01:47:18,032 --> 01:47:21,936
and all kinds of products that make it big time  on trading cards.

1973
01:47:21,969 --> 01:47:23,137
So I still say the trading card
will always be with us.

1974
01:47:23,170 --> 01:47:26,040
This is his
You must match

1975
01:47:26,073 --> 01:47:29,744
successful in trading
cards and children will want it.

1976
01:47:29,777 --> 01:47:32,880
It's cheap entertainment.
Not much costs.

1977
01:47:32,914 --> 01:47:35,583
And children like

1978
01:47:35,617 --> 01:47:36,984
a stack of trading cards
something they like.

1979
01:47:37,018 --> 01:47:39,954
So I am, I think
is going forward in the future.

1980
01:47:39,987 --> 01:47:43,558
Garbage Children
can be around 20 years

1981
01:47:43,591 --> 01:47:46,694
starting now with the 50th, silver birthday comes.

1982
01:47:46,728 --> 01:47:53,000
If you make a statue
a picture of someone might worship it  as a false god.
Become the role of

1983
01:47:53,535 --> 01:47:55,970


1984
01:47:56,003 --> 01:48:00,808


1985
01:48:00,842 --> 01:48:05,813
cartoonists insinuating
things and taking things

1986
01:48:05,847 --> 01:48:08,115
it's competing
for false god status

1987
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:09,951
and drag
to arrive at reality and

1988
01:48:09,984 --> 01:48:11,753
show that
has clay feet,

1989
01:48:11,786 --> 01:48:14,989
that they idolize feet
clay.
That will be

1990
01:48:15,022 --> 01:48:17,291
the work of the cartoonist;
that
will be the right one

1991
01:48:17,324 --> 01:48:19,594
the cartoonist's job.

1992
01:48:19,894 --> 01:48:23,898
So now that you know, that
the thing you have to watch is,

1993
01:48:23,931 --> 01:48:25,900
Is that
Trash image

1994
01:48:25,933 --> 01:48:32,707
Pail Kids stops being satire
and starts to become a holy icon.

1995
01:48:33,708 --> 01:48:37,078
There are
in and of themselves.

1996
01:48:37,111 --> 01:48:38,946
I see the same thing
with Mad Magazine;

1997
01:48:38,980 --> 01:48:42,249
This is the opposite.
They will print that one problem

1998
01:48:42,283 --> 01:48:46,621
has a different cover.
Then the collectors will have

1999
01:48:46,654 --> 01:48:50,558
to buy all
different variations.

2000
01:48:50,592 --> 01:48:53,695
And their original
is the thing out there

2001
01:48:53,728 --> 01:48:56,964
taunting
the consumer culture and for

2002
01:48:56,998 --> 01:48:59,601
getting people to think about such things.

2003
01:48:59,634 --> 01:49:01,903
And now it's part of the consumer culture.

2004
01:49:01,936 --> 01:49:04,071
Everything naturally
develops into it.

2005
01:49:04,105 --> 01:49:08,342
But I tried to avoid it.
But then
again I have to make a living

2006
01:49:08,375 --> 01:49:10,845
so I don't know what I'm saying.

2007
01:53:52,326 --> 01:53:54,361
Are you having fun with that?

2008
01:53:55,529 --> 01:53:57,031
No.