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Think of Thorpe / Little Punk production.
The film by David Thorpe.
Am I Sound Gay?
Yes, I think you sound gay.
Not as much as I do, but...
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Yes.
Ah, no, en Frances no.
In English, I don't know. </ P>
Yes. </ P>
Not everything. </ P>
Really ?
This is your tone,
which is, like, intellectual,
so that people can read it as gay.
I will have only, maybe, equate you with art-fenders.
You sound creative
which is an part of the stereotype of gay men.
There is something a little melody
I think that is nasality.
I will definitely rate you as metrosexual. </ P>
- No. - Not all? </ P>
No.
You sound like < br /> humans, men
Maybe more facts that I'm gay too
so I choose that.
You don't sound like gay
maybe because I am immersed in gay.
You can sound gay if you...
If you want to make... < br /> make it very, very...
very wide crisp
We say.
And if it's gay...
Muah!
This will be a beautiful day.
This is me, David.
I am a writer, I live in Brooklyn, and I live alone.
Well, not entirely alone.
Recently, I split with my girlfriend,
and she moved.
Good.
I am very happy today.
I don't know, This is interesting to think about, like,
p>
"Okay, I took control of from this problem
... it really bothered me,"
and, um...
I don't know
Like, I feel like that maybe for me a different person...
That will be cool, </ p >
because I'm not really satisfied
with the person I am.
Alright.
because I was in my 40s and still single.
I am not the most confident person people today...
with gay being heard.
Right after breaking up,
I fled to a gay beach town on Fire Island
to drown my suffering.
- So I have friends coming in... - Oh my God!
You won't believe what happened to me that night.
He's like, so where are we going to go tonight
It was Friday night.
The train was crowded with loud and talking gay men.
Take me to the front line. I will kill you.
And there is this, like, magical tutu
that appears from, like, no.
Okay, so I'm stuck there with this person
at the end of the car...
p>
Darkness is strengthened
loud voices around me.
He's like, "Hey, kid. You look fierce."
And I'm like, "Me?"
And he was like, "Yeah, you." </ P>
Wrap it up, I have stuff to say about my grandmother
They only have this place...
I began to feel rejected.
There is this girl there,
and he, like, a little tragic...
Why? < br /> we all insist on ringing
And I have to like the rush downtown...
He walked and I like, "Oh, my Lord,
like, right really hurt me with chai. "
I don't choose this gay voice.
Why me?
My mother pushed me really crazy
I mean, she also has the same thing dowdy haircut...
Who can respect, let alone fall in love with
ninny old neighing like me?
Stop!
I thought so.
Willem Dafoe,
Gregory Hines,
James Gandolfini,
the great Joey Mclntyre from New Kids on the Block,
dan tentu saja Tony Danza.
Well, this room must be very convincing that...
that I can't get better help
Even though, it does make me feel Like I'm learning how to act.
Hi how are you?
Hi David, I'm Susan Sankin.
- Nice to meet you. - Thank you very much. </ P>
- Yeah, you too - We will go this way
Okay, good. </ P>
So when You and I speak, I will do it
a phonetic analysis of your sayings
Just talk the way you will usually, </ p >
as if you're talking to a friend
Okay, uh, sorry I'm a little nervous
so I hope I speak normally, But, uh, I'm sure I'll do it.
Um, yes, I mean,
as I mentioned to you is calling,
um, I hate the way I talk
I'm a little confused like why I talk to the way I speak.
It's like my voice dies when I'm nervous,
especially if I'm afraid
about just making myself look as gay.
Like, all this sort of stops moving and...
Good.
Lots of people switch code.
p>
So if you see a young person... Maybe a little girl
who is three years old playing with a doll,
Well , when's the time To make the doll sleep,
they use the voice of their parents.
So what happens sometimes,
when people do a lot of things from code-switching,
they crash in it
and they forgot what they used to sound like
or what was the opposite side.
I didn't... I never really thought about it like that
as only a part... we do a lot of code redirects,
and I feel like I'm the whole map,
and sometimes my voice comes out in one direction,
and sometimes comes out Another way.
- And I'm like... - Mm- hmm.
- What is my true voice? - Mm-hmm.
I will confess I want, like,
learn how to sound straight.
Like, I think that is only normal,
unusual ways of talking, like that...
I just... it would be nice to be able to speak like that.
All right. </ P>
I have a good picture of what happened with your speech...
Good. Good. </ P>
Also what do you expect to achieve.
Good.
So what I hear
is a little nasality.
Mm-hmm. </ P>
I feel like I'm sounding so fierce,
and so many other gay men sound very angry,
and, like , I think is one of the reasons
people find too much gay voices at once
some sort of grid because of that nationality.
Yes.
You did a lot of up-talking
You ended... You always end.
Even if you make a statement,
you end up here.
Sometimes holds on to the word
" Phone, be, alone, no. "</ P>
Good? </ P>
You just hang on to it. </ P>
So we will keep it short. </ P>
So just try Oklahoma.
Oklahoma.
Ocean.
Au gratin
- You threw me with that one - Au gratin A little French. </ P>
- You threw me with that one - Good. </ P>
Good. Sorry. </ P>
Au gratin
Um...
Uh, au gratin
Good. </ P> p>
I see that your work is really lying
in terms of your rhythm and intonation,
sing-song pattern,
and find that sound it is convenient for you,
it will work for you
So you get the code-switch, but volitional </ p >
So as not to get stuck,
you have a sound that enters.
- I want the sound to enter. - All right ?
Very good Thank you very much.
What a pleasure, David.
You know, when he showed me how am I speak, um,
You know, when he showed me how was my "O" sound, like "Ooo."
You know... that... I don't think it's very important
how do I want my Os to sound.
I don't know anyone
really wants their Os < br /> sounds like that
Oakling.
Oakum.
Oatmeal.
Oaxacan.
Screw it.
Good.
Fat ogres owe you Mrs. O & apos; Malley some oatmeal. </ P>
Harry marries Kari
and commits hara-left. </ P>
I wonder when are all gay getting married ,
if they will start do the left-hand
after they get married
Indigo
Halibut.
Roberto passed out that the fish was local.
And cheap, to boot.
My pants have jam stains.
- Hi. - Hello!
- How are you doing? - good
- Hi. - How are you ?
- good - Hi.
Okay, high drinks.
Yes, they look beautiful.
- Cheers. - Cheers, queers. </ P>
Eyes
Mmm. Mmm.
I ask one of us a mutual friend...
Yes.
Who sounds gayest of all of us he knows...
- And I won the award? - And you won
I think that Sam is a more performative person.
- No, I did. - Yeah. </ P>
I just thought that... that's you
So when he said Sam... You know,
sounds gayer than most of our friends,
I mean, I think we have something else a friend I won't mention
That also sounds pretty gay.
So... and I don't think that they sound less gay
than Sam, honestly, so...
Where do you rank yourself
I mean, I... I will say it
I'm just one... one shade is lighter than you.
Maybe about 3, but maybe I...
Maybe I'm fanciful.
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So do I sound gay?
If you say it like that, you do
Okay, let me repeat it again question.
"Do I sound gay?"
Do you think I sound gay?
- Yes, I did - Yes.
But I don't think it sounds
as bad as you think.
So, um...
It's interesting that you chose the word bad
- That's right. - Do you mean bad?
- No, I didn't mean that. - You said bad
Sorry, I didn't mean like that
- No, he said bad words. - I know.
I said you challenged him.
I didn't challenge you.
I have the impression that you think sounds bad.
- That's why I said that. - Right
Um, but yes, I'm not think of it, like,
this off-the-chart thing
that you have the impression of , you know
But when you say bad,
you mean something negative, obviously
Yes, but I mean I...
I interpret David feelings about this
and feelings about the whole project is bad.
You know, like... I mean,
he has negative feelings about his voice,
about the perception it creates, so I just...
And you don't feel it at all, yourself
I have, you know, sort of a generic self-hatred
created around < br /> my gay, you know
But... if my voice is part from it, then maybe,
but I don't think I can say it
is the only one, you know, or the main one.
Is your voice part of it?
Sure, that's part from that.
I think I feel out of sync with my voice
and uh, uh...
And, at least, in my opinion
p>
like that anxiety about sounding too gay
So, okay, let's see what is like not sounding gay,
from what my voice should be sounds like, so...
But you can also argue, like,
why don't you accept it how how are you?
What's wrong with you?
I mean, because I think, you know,
for myself, or you, /> For others, like,
when I think about it at a rational level,
Like, there is nothing wrong with you
Nothing wrong with my voice
This is my voice
This is who I am
That's a beautiful thing.
We never spoke about this idea
until you lift it
I don't know anyone else I've talked about it too. </ P>
Do you know what I mean? </ P>
So I think there is this,
Obviously, all of us are aware of
that hasn't been discussed.
I mean, this is something...
Maybe this, like , the elephant in the room
that you talked about
I feel uncomfortable in the way I have heard
for many years years, but like,
there's nothing I can do it.
Do you think you sound gay?
Mm, no
I hope not.
I used to hear my voice now
When I first heard it,
I frankly, will be surprised.
I often hear myself, like, in a video,
I am very self-aware, </ p >
and I thought, "Oh, my God, I sound very gay."
Have you ever listened to you?
and thought, "Lord, I sound gay"?
Um...
I have to...
I have to say... If I say no, I will lie.
This is amazing, rude awakening
Please leave a message, good? </ P>
You see me... I don't sound like that
No, that's how you sound. </ P>
In our society, men belong to for certain statuses,
and women, they belong to certain statuses,
and male status is the highest status
If I'm at the hotel and I call the front desk,
they always say,
"We will have it Until you, Mom. "
And I thought," really?
Am I really voice like a woman? "
I'm not... I'm just... I'm not I think I sound like... woman.
I think I sound like someone very small one.
You know, like... like, this height.
It took three years to find a boyfriend
People don't want to date feminine man who sounds gay.
I don't like when someone sounds gay,
like, sounds very feminine.
I don't like it. This is just a turn-off. </ P>
Why don't you like it? </ P>
I don't know, because I feel like mens </ p >
and womens are womens.
He really started Pouring chai into my throat,
but went, like, everywhere; > it goes from, like...
Literally, okay? This one person complained...
We didn't talk about it,
but some gay men are afraid
their voices sound too effeminate.
If I don't have confidence in myself,
I am no different.
I'm afraid my voice expels other gay people...
Not to mention the world.
We know exactly what you are about, Mr. Limbaugh.
What am I about, sir?
Tell me, Mr. New Castrati. </ P>
Exactly what what I do, sir
Morgan mengatakan, mengutip, "Jika anaknya gay,
"I'd better go home and talk to him like a man
" and no... he mimics gay with a high-pitched voice...
"or he will pull out a knife
and stab him a little N-words to death."
A Ross County student
said that he was intimidated and beaten for being gay
talking for the first time
because this video was recorded beating go public
Why are you talking like a girl? </ P>
Why are you walking like that? You are so weird
If I see two people blowing each other... </ p >
and I don't know why I saw them do it...
but if I just happened...
I will respect them.
"Hello, gentleman."
Whatever, you know.
But if one of them takes his penis out of his mouth
and start acting all faggy
and say annoying faggy things...
"You know, the people of Phoenix are Phoenicians, "
or something like that...
I'll be like, " Hey shut up, homo. "
Homo!
I know that gay voice.
"You shouldn't be to use it for that."
Silence, homo.
I speak like that sometimes.
Like, I will never call a gay gay man
But...
I will be like, "Hey... "
" Shut up, homo. "
Fagot!
I struggled for decades to embrace being gay.
I know I should accept it myself like me.
But, even now, this voice still disturbs me.
I'm ashamed to say this, But, you know, sometimes
someone will say, "I don't know you're gay. "
And it's like, why does make me feel good, you know
And I hate myself for thinking , and I think...
Um...
Yes, this is very disturbing.
I think I'm outside of that.
What is the problem if someone Think I'm gay
when I open my mouth?
Like, why do I have it? problem with that?
Is there anything weird
I can't shake the idea is it changing my voice?
Come see.
Oh, cats, cats, cats
what is it the benefits of gay being heard?
Right now, all I can think of
is the loss.
"At the top of a hill in Laurel Canyon...
" At the top of a hill... "
- Good morning, David. - Hey
- What are you doing today? - Good
- Nice to meet you. - You too.
- Enter. - thank you
Thoughts.
Riots.
Off
Ide.
Is that too long?
No, you're good.
Ideas.
Arises.
Dynasty. </ p >
Just like me struggling to sound less gay...
New York legalized gay marriage.
Gay pride takes place only a few days later.
The great Marshal happened to be Dan Savage,
one of my heroes </ p >
Dan!
And!
Why did you think of so many gay men
so self-aware about sounding gay?
Many gay men
self-aware about sounding gay
because we were persecuted for that when we were young
You know, when you are young and closed and try to get past it,
you are the police yourself for proof of who might betray you,
and how you walk and how do you talk
These two things...
and so many gay men take it to adulthood
When I'm in high school, I...
when I first started going through puberty,
Actually I was really a transvestite personality. </ p >
Like, I watched an old family movie
and that was actually very, It hurts me to watch
And that's the first time that I was attacked
to be gay Because of how I sounded.
Your teen years,
especially your early teen years,
>
and so I remember changing my voice
or trying to sound less gay just to survive in high school,
and this is rather sad It happened like that. </ P>
It's my grandmother's angel. </ P>
It was in the hallway from our house all the time,
right in front of the door
p>
When do other children? start making fun of you
for the way you talk
Now, when I'm in third grade, People start fun
From the way I speak, and rightly so when bullying starts
Why are you talking like a girl?
Why are you walking like that?
My voice is high.
I, like, little girl whatever accent
I will sit there talk to a friend my friend
"Homo."
The video is difficult to watch.
A new student of Unioto High School was beaten by his classmates,
while the others stand and don't do anything
Mr. Goff, there's a fight!
According to you you can choose more
because you are more sissy?
Because I'm different, and I'm not afraid to be.
I feel comfortable with my own skin.
I'm a diva.
They like... they don't like it
Zachary, why not? come out for a moment?
Why?
p>
Because I want to tell him something
I can't hear anything.
He has moments where...
In front of people, he is always very happy and dizzy and...
But he can't hide from me.
I see the pain.
>
I know it's there.
Many gay teenagers are really
very worried about how they sound
because it attracts violence.
It's nice to see you, like, congratulations
Yeah, Destiny & apos; s Child
And, uh... wait.
Which... isn't Christina... what song? congratulations? ?
♪ I am a survivor ♪
That is the Son of Destiny.
- combat. - Fighter.
♪ Thank you for making me ♪
♪ fighters ♪
Me too.
I don't remember what I sound like growing up.
I've been blocked out of my childhood.
I grew up on the Bible Belt in the 1980s.
- Wow, look at all this. - Ha!
Okay, what do I see here?
Wait for it.
You don't know who is this sweet kid?
No.
I have to see this more often. </ p >
At that time, homosexuality was evil
and the cause of the new outbreak was called AIDS.
Homosexuals practice sodomy.
You admit homosexuality practice sodomy, don't you?
Yes sir.
Dan itu bertentangan dengan hukum banyak negara bagian, bukan?
Sir, I... I don't know...
And against the court...
There is nothing gay about these people
Engaging in extraordinary offensive and rebellious actions
that have caused the proliferation of AIDS.
There are no gay people openly.
I mean, there are no people... adults not gay in the open
in... at that time.
Um, I mean me, maybe more especially where we live.
In high school, I started to call homo.
That was mainly Satanic insults at that time
"Fagot" was always delivered with, like, extra tenacity. </ P>
Like, no, I really mean you are gay
You know what I mean?
I know what that means,
and I know what a phagot sounds like
because gay people are on TV.
Who is generally more handsome?
Elves or fairies?
Looks not everything.
I, uh. ..
I will go for fairies.
I hope I don't go anyone
How do I know they are gay?
Listen to how they speak.
I'll play that part again...
So all of you can shout "Hey," okay?
Hey!
The only way I can get my wife interested in romance
is if I dress up like...
Blank.
Look at Liberace.
"Oh, Jesus," You know.
"Oh, I swear."
And Truman Capote, you know. </ P>
They all have that voice. </ P>
Do you know what I mean? </ P>
What's closest,
in physical sensation, to orgasm
And I came up with the idea that it sneezed.
Like other parts of America,
I was fascinated by this strange celebrity...
Wow, You must have your own show.
I already have.
But I know that taboo to resemble them in any way.
I cleaned up my actions,
and I stopped called homo.
So I'm really shy like a child,
uh, and I'm... partly because I'm gay,
and I'm like, "I'll just keep quiet,
and nobody knows that I'm here,"
and, you know, I know I want to adjust yourself.
When you were a child or a teenager,
I don't know you're gay.
Never... never thought of me < br /> that you are gay
Like, I never even thought in that term
And I never thought you sounded like that </ p >
We already have this previous off-camera conversation,
But no, no that gay voice.
Yes. Do I sound gay now? </ P>
Yes, you did
Are you surprised? When do I come out of the closet?
I am stunned.
You always seem very normal to me
We never deal with things like that
I will never know for sure
what I sound like growing up
There is no strong evidence.
I don't have all my voice recordings.
Only this Super-8 movie My grandfather was shot.
How and when did I study sound gay?
Where is my gay voice? come from?
Each of us is presented with lots and lots of models
what languages should sound like
So we hear men, we hear women, we hear children our age,
we hear adults, we hear older adults,
and in all this interaction,
we have, uh, you know, different opportunities
to replicate different aspects < br /> from the words of these people
My father works on the train,
and he and my brother join,
and my sister always wants to talk to my father
or go to the workshop,
and I love stay inside reading,
help my mom bake,
and quietly listen to for her phone call
with her boyfriend,
and that, for me, is... fun,
and guess who hates gayer?
Four goals and seven years ago,
our father gave birth, on this continent,
a new nation, was conceived in Liberty,
and dedicated for propositions...
I'm interested in how sexual orientation
affects how people make a little difference
as they say speech sounds
Four digits and seven years ago,
father we gave birth, on this continent...
T... T... T.
So, usually, we would say... someone would say "continen".
"Continue."
N... n... without release.
And you said con... continent.
"Q."
Did everyone get that? I said "continent-uh."
The most obvious, most women-like gay one.
Micro-variations are tiny differences in pronunciation,
like the difference between, "ss" and "ss."
Two different versions exactly the same sound,
but different people say They are different ways.
Men who sound gay use clearer vocals.
Longer vowel length.
Ss again.
More clear.
Overarticulation Ps, Ts, and Ks.
These things all increase for the same phenomenon
already treated with women versus men, on average.
So I made it soft I... my gay choice?
Yes.
Yes, this is interesting.
Maybe you took this when you were little
by listening more to women than men,
by giving more weight for cues
You have started from female speakers
than from male speakers.
Mm-hmm.
- For some reason. - Mm-hmm.
p>
People make fun of me because I'm sluggish
Very?
Like a lot of fuss more than a few extra Ss.
How about that all lisp, lonely things?
I have a problem like that with pronouns.
How many Ss are there? in pronouns?
How do you want to kiss my ass?
There are two more Ss in it.
How do you want to blow me?
What is the problem, Your wife has a lockjaw?
Have you received it?
Yesss...
Sounds like steam coming out.
It's called James.
No Jim. </ P>
Not Jimmy. </ P>
"Jamesss." </ P>
I understand. </ P>
I speak therapy to lisp while small.
So are many other gay men I know.
When I think back about... You know, as a child,
while I say that I didn't do it it certainly sounds gay,
I really have lisp.
I have a speech teacher,
a Pak Horischka,
um, who , through school, who helped me
I have a small lisp.
He is a great queen
a little help Long Island Fagot
sounds less gay
I have lisp, and so...
it will be "bessst " if I speak like" thisss. "
And I'm still very young then.
Only then I realize, wait a minute. </ p >
Like, everyone in the talk class is gay
Like, everyone they brought to that room
It feels like that "future homosexuals of America."
I've always thought that my lisp
had something to do by being gay.
But Ben thinks I hold a straw.
There is absolutely no evidence that gay men lisp. </ P>
I think we will pursue this
frontal and lateral misartic,
and it happens, you know, a subset of gay men...
Gay men who are very conscious of their sexuality
and are very interested in, types,
the trajectory their development...
sort of remembers this and attach
some sort of social significance to them.
Ron thinks that back in the day,
Some gay men who allegedly backed up
just S feminine.
I thought, maybe it was so true in my generation
that there were many, uh,
confusion between Facing TH's voice...
an S is TH's voice... and only sounds too feminine. </ P>
I asked me to ask you
if you have a letter for us here is wrong
What?
I asked me to ask you if you were
there was a letter for us here because of an error
No, not a clue.
He wants Brady's property mail, Larry!
They say something like "Girl", and "Sister,"
and, "What's the problem?"
Makes you think.
Hmm.
So "th" is a phonological delay.
"Sss" can be identified by a speech language pathologist
or by parents as inappropriate gender.
- Oh, it's ok what - Say "sense" now.
Listeners see it a voice that sounds gay
as a feminine voice.
This is an indicative of a stereotype,
cultural stereotypes.
People want gay men to be like women,
and maybe they were picked up in fact
were many of the characteristics gay voices that were heard
were feminine characteristics.
But they were wrong understand,
because a lot of it sounds gay
comes from straight people
Danny, they just came with the first palette
Eh, and we need these two, that I will take...
People think of me Chris's straight friends sound gay.
We need a chard, red cabbage, and two strawberries.
As a friend suggested, my voice all trebles, no bass...
I think.
Do you hear S?
All treble no bass... I think.
I might imitate my speech
after women I almost grew up.
Chris might do it the same thing.
Most of my life,
before I was 12 years old,
I lived in the ashram,
so I grew up big, mostly, around a lot of women.
Hey, come on.
My gay friend is growing
close to four athlete's brothers.
He is the most straightforward person I know.
- Right - Hut!
See how butch me?
My family, I feel like... You know ,
I, quite a lot, were formed
like everyone else from my other brothers.
I did everything they did.
I admit would love to sound like him.
The whole family is sports.
Um, watching sports.
Uh, Thanksgiving is planned around the break.
Alright.
You're ready?
In our study of 25 men and 46 listeners,
average accuracy in guessing
the man's sexual orientation is true
only about 60%.
What
So 40% of men
misclassified by the listener.
Either gay men sound straight
or straight men who sounds gay.
What sounds right?
This is a good question.
I don't think it's like that something that sounds straight.
Because , uh... well,
people say I sound straight,
and I don't.
Some gay people I know straight,
and some of the weakest people I've met are gay.
So, in some cases, don't assume.
If I use this usually-women
micro variations as a child,
how is my family not lifted?
Why don't they think? I sound gay?
So, first of all, in considering your own story,
I'll answer that question back to you and say:
we're talking about the difference between
Columbia, South Carolina, > and the city of New York
If so, we can just as easily
talk about a community where it's just taboo
to allow the mind to associate certain sounds
with certain sexuality.
Or it could be something as simple,
we talk about groups of people
who don't have a big shop in their memories, you know,
this is what A gay man sounds like. </ p >
Whereas, in New York City, someone can say
"Oh, yes, surely you..."
and, never have living in New York City,
I don't know this is true,
but someone can say, "Oh, yes, you must be
part of urban gay intelligence."
Stretch.
Stretching.
Zzz.
Relax.
Too much... too much partying happens here
Must be more "ssstraight."
Straight.
Not the hardest, most difficult.
On the other hand, I think,
what's the difference? does it work
if I... if I say "say" or if I say "say"?
Um, you know, that's what I have to say is important.
They say old habits die hard.
I started thinking they might be right.
And finally it ends
the first tiring
"S" practice-eh.
I'm struggling a little with my words
p>
- Um... - Fine.
But, I think, for... I think there is a good reason
Um, speak in this standard,
how to be confident requires trust
and requires feelings that I tell you something
- I don't ask you - Right
And just last month just, like,
a difficult month in my life, and... </ p >
Mm-hmm. In what?
Uh, in... in my life.
- Down. - In my life.
- Thank you. - Right
So I've found myself,
for speech, uh, tool,
but can't use it.
Life and Time from Porgy and Bess.
Four times Tony won...
he won four Tonys?
Let's try again.
Wrong one guy... guys...
wants to know how to tell the driver to go fast.
Others advise him...
Since gay marriage passed,
I continued to be ambushed with the wedding announcement
for a new rub, perfect,
happy gay couples in Sunday newspapers.
I shouldn't have done it read "Sunday Style".
These two people might be miserable
I'm sure they cheated on each other...
Will do it, and...
Alright, but they really don't look like that
Sigh.
I decided it was time to take out a large weapon.
There is Leonard Bernstein to hit my stomach
- Oh really? - Yeah.
This Bob Corff.
He is a former Broadway leading man
and a famous voice coach,
is famous for helping people sound less gay.
I'm on my way to meet a man
who helped the actor hide
signs of of gay sexuality.
- Hello - Hello How are you doing?
I have people coming for me, uh,
to ask to sound less gay.
I would say it might be between 20 and 50 , a... year.
Yes. Oh.
That's a healthy number.
Yes.
Mostly, men,
whether they are gay or not,
Must sound straight. </ P>
Whoo-whee! </ P>
Yes !
I'm tired of you stupid missions.
This is an interesting display because, in this business,
many people are casting , Many producers are gay,
and even they won't do it hiring someone
because people in central America
won't be able to accept that
Ugh, look at swimming trunks.
This is $ 90 million aircraft.
Steward, 21-18 people.
Excuse me, sir Sweatpants.
We need to check that bag
I can only playing very certain types of gay guys
Because if it's gay guys
it's actually, like, fat role,
like, straight actors will play it,
and if it's a gay guy "great and awesome body,"
Well, I can't play that.
So I just play sad,
self-haters, bitter queens.
And how do you...
how do you feel about Thrown in that role?
You know, Ruth Buzzi used to say,
"I'll take it the role of a bad girl, </ p >
Because I started working. "
So I will give you practice here...
That I think will be very helpful.
- Good. - Good.
I want to teach you American standard melodies.
Good speakers, people who are leaders
that make people do what they want them to do...
Mm-hmm.
Have a pattern, which is this:
- I'm right. - Mm-hmm.
I'm always right.
And what I want you to do goes like this:
up, down
Good. Up, down
No , You go, "Up, down." </ P>
One two. </ P>
What is the first number
One. </ P>
And what's under it? </ P>
Two. </ P>
- are you sure - Hello
You will leave, "Hello ! "
Hello.
You will leave, "Hello!"
Up, down
UP what spell?
Up.
Are you sure
- Stop. - Mm-hmm.
Stop.
You will leave, "Stop . "
Good.
- Stop. - Stop.
Right.
I have never been trained to be aggressive
I have never been trained to be authoritative
It's hard for me to be like, "It's there."
But... but... no, that is actually pretty good
- is that good? - First.
So... but that's if you want to have that power
Mm-hmm.
If you hear it, you will go, "Oh, my God,
p>
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
I would recommend me Speaker Sound Method,
which is a blue CD.
Good.
That will give you more chest resonance
instead of being, "Mm-hmm,"
here like that,
You enter your body.
Mm-hmm.
This will really strengthen and lower your voice
When I was in LA, I always stayed with my friend Kayla.
All right, so what should we talk about? </ P>
Okay, I will sit like... more like a straight person.
Good.
Yes, that's good. That's good.
I'll try to put some of me
Straight lessons to work here
You have already taken straight lessons
Yes; I've gone to a speech therapist.
Where do you want to go eat?
Well, I love restaurants this.
Some great French food.
It's like, if I have to express my opinion,
is very...
Do you like Italian?
I like Italians.
Because there's something great Italian place,
like , two blocks from my house
Okay, "like," have to go.
Dirt.
That's very "teenage girl."
p>
That's right. Good.
I know, because doesn't sound like me right?
No, it sounds like you.
p>
Sounds too similar to you.
and I will Show me how it is now.
Say to someone imaginary on the other side of the room,
"My name..."
Give your name.
My name is David Thorpe,
and I will have it strong, authentic,
and reliable sound.
This is a great tool,
something to give your voice strength, strength, and authority.
In this country, men use American standard melodies
more than women because This gives them a solution.
But it's good for everyone, men and women.
Now try with me.
Hi, how are you?
Hi.
Hi how are you?
What is strange because it sounds more like
I told you that I've arrived
instead of asking you how are you
Hi how are you?
I don't care
good Try again.
This, this, this...
This is an embroidered pillow. </ P>
This is trivet. </ P>
are my Birkenstocks.
These are cat ears.
These are cats...
Apparently,
I'm not the only one who thinks
is an American standard.
Hi how are you?
When I speak with my family,
who is a southern black family,
I like, "Hey, how did you do it?
" Oh, mother, I miss you. I'm very hungry.
When will you feed me? "
The way it is I grow up talking.
My accent goes when I start working on television
and I start listen to my voice,
and I realize that, you know,
I don't always like as it sounds when on tape.
Sounds a little lazy, and maybe it's stereotyped.
Maybe that's the part code-switching,
and maybe it is so part of the pass
Like, my father went for a very long length
to free himself from an Asian accent
He has a deep shame after being deported
and then always feels like trying to
to catch up and become an American and become a true American.
It really made me feel In the same way, like,
was really determined not to be considered Korean
and no... don't have traces of the homeland,
and... and like this, um, you know, that... really happened under it.
You know, all of that... it's a kind of self-hatred and anxiety
really pushed down, and that can last for generations.
Including is a phenomenon where individuals who are
for the stigmatization group still try hard
to keep the stigma from rising big
This is Lady Gaga.
Gay must close with a myriad of ways
because sexual orientation is not an attribute that is visible.
That voice, you know, the story is...
That voice actually gave someone
who doesn't know
the fact that a gay individual
you know, I work in a very conservative,
Pretty straight-laced type of place
Sometimes at work, are you trying, sort of,
By the way it's less gay than you?
I think I'm trying to just be as neutral as possible.
I try not to crack too many funnies
I try not to camp at all.
You know, I guess I'm trying to be straight...
is not straight, meaning...
I can't pretend that I'm straight,
but that means I just try what kind of saying I have to say
and say it in a very neutral way
and try to make it very clear and concise
and then continue.
>
Mm-hmm. Hmm.
So have you ever felt Such pressure to cover up?
That's really the question it's hard
because I'm sure that I have, unconsciously...
But I don't feel that I have to speak in a certain way
around white people,
I don't think I should speak a certain way
I don't think I should speak a certain way around gay people,
and that makes me in trouble a lot, because I don't do it
But now the jury has reached its verdict,
one that everyone must accept,
now it's time for some difficult love...
I will... I have friends from home
To be honest, some of my relatives will go,
"Gosh! You sound like someone white. "
Of all the people I know,
I think my choreographer friend Miguel
at least.
One of the things I did was working with a speech trainer
untuk belajar bagaimana, intinya, terdengar lurus
What do you think of the fact that I did that?
Here it is, you've come out from that damn closet,
You have, like , doing therapy, you have done everything,
and then you still, you know, change your way.
You still change how do you sound
or you... how do you see,
to satisfy some fucking unseen value
That's very stupid, < very.
I mean this from hyper masculinity
is conscious performance in the culture of gay men
Throughout time, wherever you go,
you know, and... and it just feels
so oppressive, sometimes, Actually, for me. </ p >
It feels very ungenerous and really doesn't love.
Why do you think gay men are?
sometimes reject others gay men to sound gay?
Women's hatred.
They want prove it for culture
that they, you know, are not men,
that they are good because they are not women </ p >
Unlike women, they don't want women,
they don't want to sleep with women,
they don't want to act like a woman,
and then they will punish gay men who they consider
as feminine in any way.
Why do you think. ..
why do you think, When we sleep,
we want to hear that super masculine voice?
Because we like what is terrible for us
No, you know what I mean? It's like...
Stockholm Syndrome
Yes, it's like...
I don't know, what you like... it's wrong
It's like sick. </ P>
We are gay, and we are interested in men,
p>
and we are interested for masculinity,
and we don't want to hear it women's voices in bed
So if there is something sounds similar to that,
it won't happen with the flame.
Dude, it's fucking & apos; awesome
You only eat the inside breakfast center
I mean, come on, man,
get your ass here on the table.
Let me rub it for you
Oh yeah.
Gay men like hypermasculinity,
like a construction worker helmet,
is gay-land lingerie.
"Yeah, take it."
Yes! Yes! </ P>
It's always funny when you watch like, uh,
pornography, you know
And, you know, there will be Be these two people
and then one of them will... one of them will say,
You know, "Take it, bitch "
Oh, we need the roof of the sun.
And I think, well, that's all destroying everything, you know
It just destroys everything because you sound like me
My grandmother The 95th birthday celebration
is a relief /> of all.
Are you ready, Grandma?
Grandma, happy birthday!
Yeah, Gil, can you wave with your hand there?
"Hi grandma."
Happy birthday grandma.
- Carmen, look at me - Happy birthday! </ P>
Will you give me a wave, Grandma? </ P>
Thank you. </ P>
To my surprise, both Gaby and Gil
identified exactly when I started to sound indisputably gay.
I have the honor of to really know you
my first year in college,
which is when You came out,
and I really noticed this transformation
I mean, September 1993,
You sound like a boy straight,
uh, from the family of academics in South Carolina,
and in May, indeed sounds pretty gay
Interesting. Good.
I don't know this happened for me gradually
You realize or unwittingly
exaggerate it for a while
like you sort of came to terms
with your identity, and others, that's for sure.
Just when you first came out, you sounded super-queen,
and that reminds me from the first time I came out.
I went and bought a black leather jacket.
That was a signal, and, uh, it reminds me of that.
That, like, you've put on this sound, sort of.
My voice is mine black leather jacket?
Yes.
Then, I found out that my childhood friend Michelle
also paid attention to my college transformation.
I remember talking to you and going,
"Lord, his voice has changed."
For me, that is actually feels like yourself
trying to advertise that you are gay
And that... I, like, a little annoyed
Because I'm like, "Alright, you didn't talk like that
three years ago."
It bothers me that your voice has changed
I don't & annoy; that you are gay,
But it bothers me that you change your voice
Yes.
I mean, I think I'm getting used to it.
Like, if I know you and you always talk like this,
I won't think about it.
That will only be you.
Yes. </ P>
But the fact is, you know, for 17 years...
That's different from you. </ P>
Yes. </ P>
So, for me, this is Like an imposter voice
when I first started talking to you
I didn't... I didn't feel < br /> comfortable with your voice
In college, I finally found the courage to get out.
I don't remember consciously trying to sound more gay.
I remember aspiring to
for an intelligent role, aristocratic homosexuals.
I have spent so long feeling ridiculed.
It's time to scoff back.
There's that kind of idea
when you talk with gay voices,
you're talking for someone too
That you... there is this theory
that gay man must refrain
even higher.
I remember the people who told me that I was talking like a sissy
Well, what I did was, I tried talking
like a boy little rich on television shows
Do you care martini, sir Babcock?
Good...
Extra dry or dry
So, yes, I'm still young, working class child,
but I try to talk above my demographic status
Stir, never shake.
Bruising gin.
I'm too naive to know
with embrace top class voice,
I hugged outdated stereotypes.
All right, for the sake of.
I am all atwitter
I can't wait to tell everyone
Alex doesn't do it give him air
Well, what do you think of him? </ P>
Pretty divine, my dear
Only divine
That Pansy always sort of an abbreviation for gay men
without having to spell it.
Visual abbreviations are the first thing,
But the voice is almost always following it
Well, I don't know anything about that...
But don't put it in your dance.
That's what I said the other day
for my beloved Countess from Twickenham...
Pansy is the very kind, < br /> wise, know the character
You can see it, I... or hear it as something to copy
because it looks like the type is in for most situations.
I grew up in your typical middle class suburb,
but my voice told me different story.
You sound educated and cosmopolitan and refined.
So if you think about it in the context of our culture...
You are someone who sounds educated and cosmopolitan and refined...
it will be gay
Good, I was told that I was rather languorous.
Like, I drew my vocal.
Oh, yeah, because then... because you have time to
because you, um, in the community class
that allows you to linger on things like vocals and...
I mean, I never asked why.
This, "Why?"
Exactly.
But.... but that's to give it more emphasis too
Why?
Like, how you talk For me to connote, like, the subtext
from, like, the educated gay character
And what you feel...
So I'm still a gay educated character that I always .
Yes. Yes.
You're still nailing learned gay characters
Thank you. Thank you.
I... I'm stuck in that role.
>
I mean, there are worse roles to fill
than learned gay characters.
You don't, like, the... you & apos; re not an evil gay character.
But, look, sometimes I'm worried
that I hear like a bad gay character.
I mean , we all have our moments.
It's as clear as pattern, Laura
If McPherson doesn't do it muscular and handsome
in a cheap way,
You will see through him soon.
Even though, in the 30s, gay characters were seen,
Eh, starting with Clifton Webb and Laura,
You can see where they actually are starting to become more dangerous
Murder is my favorite crime.
I write it regularly.
Grieving, arrogant, superior / p>
Is he jealous of of male characters
or female characters?
But he did everything sort of through his voice </ p >
just like everything else
And he plays a killer, really?
From the 1940s,
many gay characters
killed or killer,
and a lot of that starts with Laura.
goodbye, Laura.
dan banyak itu dimulai dengan Laura.
selamat tinggal, Laura.
Peter Pan will be harassed
out of the ground never...
forever.
Captain Hook is a kind of Clifton's character -Webb-type,
and that's how and Peter Pan,
and things like that are carried away,
uh, the next decade to Book Jungle.
I thought maybe, you entertained
someone up there on your scroll.
Coils?
And of course, Shere Khan is evil.
After Shere Khan, you get some more than...
from male characters
Oh, dear Bartholomew,
I'm afraid that you have gone and made me upset
You know what happened when someone bothered me
Maybe I could divine the solution
for this problem spiked?
Oh, I will practice my curtsey.
This voice is from Disney villains,
uh, who have gay or proto-gay qualities for them,
if you think highly, very young children,
You know, they can > grow with the idea
that is, uh, evil or evil,
uh, can be connoted with the voice of a gay man
Well, as far as the brain go,
I got the biggest part of the lion
but when it came for brute strength...
I was afraid I was shallow < br /> end of the gene pool.
There is one in each family, sire.
Only very fast, I want to say
I have a breath of breath this morning,
and I think I'm starting to feel
how to raise and lower my diaphragm
Ah, 1, 2, 3, 4.
No.
Uh.
Sst!
Susan and Bob's training
should make me sound more standard,
but I only found myself amazed how my voice worked.
♪ Resonation ♪
♪ Throat, larynx, the middle of the throat ♪
I'll move the larynx up and down
and around it.
As it turns out, my stomach has decided to go into action
and, um, develop a strong one,
strong authentic voice his own.
So maybe a breakthrough.
"Breakthrough-ooh-ah."
Yoo-who's-aa-o.
Yu-whao-oo!
Whoo-waa-ha!
I'm a speaker
>
So, um, have you noticed?
my voice has changed completely
Eh, is that a trap question?
No, not yet. </ P>
I don't know Not really. </ P>
Maybe when you're practicing your practice with us
When did you practice...
when did he practice practice with us?
After he left to the speech therapist
Oh, I mean he... I think you're just
sort of demonstrating how it works
I never... I don't Think of it practice.
Right.
I just thought so told us how...
how it works,
but I don't know that it is...
So you don't realize it, like, there's a change at all?
There are no changes in the field, no...
I see a changes in your spirit
Sam and Alberto know I am the person in these photos.
After college, like thousands of people gay men in front of me,
I ended up in New York, < br /> where the three met.
Come on. Come on, crab.
Come on, you crab.
We are forged identity gay we are together.
Let me see crabs!
Sam and I have had a public access event
about our obsession with women's tennis.
Alberto shot the show, which also featured Miguel.
You drive me crazy
I can't work like this.
I can't work like this!
If there are many people who gather together,
they tend, sort of, sim... the same language,
the same tone of voice, similar phrases
Men can learn how to sound gay
from being with gay men.
One two.
What
If people actually put on a show,
when they act very gay deliberately for fun,
"camp speech" what we call it
This may not belong to that person natural sound,
but I can say, "Well, why don't we go there?" </ P>
Dinner is served. </ P>
I will make someone a good wife. </ P>
I can entertain.
Kiss me fast.
I'm Carmen
Very excessive performance.
Conscious performance acts like a drag queen
or acting like the famous movie star who's a woman
Such a thing.
Oh, that person has arrived, but that very crowded
I have to sit on Pinocchio's nose.
Then he goes on to tell me the weirdest story
I said, "Pinoch, you know, that's not the truth,
But lying, you're a little a devil, lying. "
Wayland and Madame together with Paul Lynde
and someone like Rip Taylor,
who used to come in The Tonight Show is a lot,
uh, they're mainstream types overall camp ideas
What is this? </ P>
This, my dear,
is the fifth from Beethoven.
I call them ambiguous TV prime-time queen.
Who are you?
You, with burning eyes like a desert sun
The greatest Sheikh in all of Arabia
Why are you using the earrings?
Because I'm a very chic sheik.
That's why I called me Florence from Arabia
Paul Lynde, in 1976, > on television
He is bigger than, uh, John Wayne
When someone falls from your boat and into the water,
you have to shout, < br /> "Humans are excessive!"
Now, what should you shout? if a woman falls into the sea?
Full speed ahead!
It was never said
there would also never be saying that he was gay,
but between them He said the sentence
and quality, contents from his line, you know
And you know, for years, he was considered
people the funniest on television
When I was a kid, I was afraid
that I might sound like anything < br /> from this flamboyant queen.
Mom, I could have been a big tennis star
if you just pushed me a little harder
What do you mean I don't like sun?
I like the sun.
The shoes are terrible!
As a gay man who has just been printed,
I learned how to collect it can free.
When I started doing it Performing Howard Stern
and I used the simple one... You know, </ p >
He does some shameful things
or makes some outrageous statements,
and sometimes, the only answer to that is,
"Gosh!"
George, it's simple and easy, and you can do it
in your pajamas
from the comfort of from your own home
Gosh!
Be aware or not, we still, uh,
use part of this voice and these images
in our daily lives in our personality,
uh, without knowing
Applause.
Eyes
So you feel like you are doing your gayness
more than me.
And your voice is part of that? </ P>
I don't think about it, "I do my gay." </ P>
I think about... I'm, like, fucking funny with my voice
General excitement
And that sounds very gay.
- I mean, I don't know. - Yeah.
like, "I'll camp it up, and..."
Sam is more comfortable with himself than I
by "appearing to be gay."
But he has also been married for years to great people.
Ditto Alberto.
Hugh... Hugh, my boyfriend,
we've been with for 22 years
Now, Hugh doesn't sound something like
I want my fantasy boyfriend sounds like
You know?
But I love her, and I won't...
That is all part of the package.
I can recognize the gay you hear.
I think, from... I thought the first time
I heard my voice recorded.
I was surprised. I was little.
I sound like Shirley Temple.
But he can also fix everything.
You know, he can repeat it the cable in this house
He can solder pipe together.
He can...
You know, really,
on masculinity scale, he wins.
You know, even...
Even with that voice, he still wins
One of the things I love George
does he love me for who I am,
and my voice comes like... comes as part of my package
And, sometimes, I think that...
That... it's not a good thing has a voice like this
But George has been strengthened,
for decades that we have been together,
that, you know, who... who am I?
who... who are they?
to criticize me for my voice?
So I'm used to that.
Hugh can defeat me.
He can make me burn When I'm sleeping. </ P>
I will never leave it. </ P>
You know what I mean? </ P>
Because I never want to be single again
Like, I never wanted to have to date again.
I never wanted to set it up feet in the gay bar again.
None. </ P>
Get rid of terror into a single,
I can see those people in a partner this happy
doesn't ask each other to change.
Instead, they become more themselves.
This is the insecurity that you have in you
makes you aware of how you sound
This is a problem which must be discussed.
One must be aware of from the fact that we are pioneers in
in our day in changing people's perceptions
what does it mean to be gay
Gay, straight, black, white!
Marriage is a civil right!
Gay, straight, black, white!
p>
Marriage is civil rights!
In 2005, Arnold Schwarzenegger
vetoed marriage equations.
I was still locked up.
But in... on... on the 11 o'clock news,
I see young gay men,
men and women, marching in Santa Monica Boulevard...
And that's when I spoke to the press
for the first time as a gay man.
So without fear of those young...
of young people inspire you...
Exactly.
To speak.
What
>
George is right.
It inspires to see that some young people
can and sound like themselves .
And the world is listening.
Hi everything; my name is Tyler,
and if you don't know me now...
spoiler warnings...
I'm gay.
Shocker, I know.
boys, girls or animals, who will do it
I might jasmine from Aladdin
so I can sleep with Jafar.
If two people love each other
and want to prove it by putting a ring on it,
Let the prostitute do it. </ P>
Is that important, like, If they are the same sex? </ P>
Cursed. </ P>
I am like a didgeridoo...
Oh-ooo...
Finally, After months of training my voice,
everything fell into place.
My name is David Thorpe,
and I will have it strong, authentic,
and reliable sound.
So I have to say it
I'm just listening to for my empowerment sentence,
and I feel like that sounds rather awesome
Um, I'm pretty far away from the camera,
and I sound loud.
I mean, not loud.
But I sound full and round and clear.
>
I feel very emotional disconnected from my voice...
I am not sure who will be or what it sounds like .
There is one in each family, father.
It never occurred to me
< i> that I am physically disconnected from my voice...
from myself.
Maybe I didn't go to Susan and Bob
Maybe I just tried to reconnect.
Have you noticed anything Difference in my voice,
uh, since I saw you in LA?
Yes; it's lower and deeper and more confident.
Yes of course.
You know I'm trying to sleep and me, and...
and, you... you... the three of you speak...
It sounds masculine.
No, but your voice like, like,
comes through ear plugs
- That, like, this is very... - Yeah.
It feels like...
I mean, it still sounds like a woman talking. </ P>
- A handsome woman. - Uh huh.
A bearded woman.
People with AIDS are attacked!
What do we do?
Fight!
People with AIDS are attacked!
What do we do?
Fight!
That's pretty good right?
I definitely can't have done that before </ p >
I found a stronger sound...
- Cheer, thank you for coming. - Cheers.
To you.
But finally, I stopped doing my training.
Wow, this looks really, very good. </ P>
Yes. </ P>
Bon appétit, bitches. </ P>
- Thank you. - Thank you
So your voice hasn't changed, but you did
You know, my voice did change.
Like, I... my voice must be stronger
But gay doesn't change, and...
It doesn't change.
Do you still do it?
- No, I stopped doing it. - Right
Because... I don't know.
For some reason, I can, now, to...
to, like, hear my voice
and hear how unique it is. </ P>
Mm-hmm. </ P>
Literally, like, your voice
is shaped by its shape from your body
So no... You know,
That's why people... we all sound different, you know
As you say, is your specialty.
This, like, who you are.
Your voice are you?
This is from your body,
it is from your personality,
and we like it.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, I still feel sometimes self-aware
about being gay
I will imagine you too.
- Sure. - Yes of course.
I don't know if that will ever change
- Right - Yeah.
I don't think it's possible It's just to leave.
- Yeah. - Right
And it's sad,
and also me... but I feel like
I know how, now, for... /> to push it away
to return to it head of space, like...
hura, hura, hah!
Like, gayer sound, become gayer, go gay!
You know, like...
You want to increase your fist in the air
and... and line up on the road.
You also want to feel like you can...
Normal.
I don't think, every day,
I want to be together with my fist in the air with it
And we, so we negotiate it, </ p >
like, every day
- Right - Right
Under any circumstances.
Right. Every minute.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
You know, I think that is one reason
why are we worry what kind of voice our voice
is that we are taught that's your voice
who you really are
My voice < br /> very mysterious to me.
But I've answered quite a lot all my questions.
For many gay men...
That's the last remnant.
That last part the internalized homophobia
is this hatred of how they sound
What's wrong with sounding like who are you
Sounding like a gay man?
Having a gay voice?
I want to find some... some kind-hearted spirits.
We all have insecurities that are hard to put aside...
But I have traveled a lot,
and I am not the only one.
If I sound gay, you know, bring it.
I will feel unconscious
about sounding straight, because I'm not.
I like my gay voice.
Like, I don't have to leave to anyone
I say hello, and this is the finished agreement
If people hear my voice and identify me as gay today,
I will say...
"Thank you."
I am proud of this.
Thank you.
There's nothing wrong by sounding gay
There's nothing wrong by being a sissy.
Nothing wrong by being butch
Nothing wrong by sounding straight. </ P>
Just do it with confidence. </ P>
You know, or hope you do it...
come to receive it
So I...
And I won't think about that at all
except when I call the dentist and they ask if David
is a man's name or a woman's name
Do you only have two minutes? for a quick interview?
- Uh, of course - Okay, awesome
They say that you can't handle the answer,
Do you have two fast minutes to talk?
- Yeah. - Okay, cool Awesome
Well, I said
if you can't handle the answer,
is the question You have to ask.
Charles Nelson Reilly, I admire you.
dress up with high heels
and tight skirts all the time,
>
but straight men don't really have it
But gay men have found the skin,
Oh thank you.
I don't think
shouts, annoying Bitches, uh, very hot.
But, you know, You take...
You take a man-cake, and you put, sort of,
a little freezing woman glaze on it
I think it's pretty sexy.
22 years, we've been together.
"ugh-ugh" sounds.
Uvular
Do I sound gay?
Hell, yes!
Do I sound gay?
Hell, yes!
Am I sounds gay?
Hell, yes!
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