1 00:00:17,881 --> 00:00:19,762 THAT MEMORY OF GOING TO 2 00:00:19,762 --> 00:00:22,832 ARLINGTON TO BURY ONE OF MY 3 00:00:22,832 --> 00:00:25,034 OFFICERS FROM THE C.I.A., 4 00:00:25,034 --> 00:00:28,003 ELIZABETH HANSON, IS ONE THAT 5 00:00:28,003 --> 00:00:31,573 WILL BE WITH ME FOR A LONG TIME. 6 00:00:31,573 --> 00:00:34,009 THEY PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE 7 00:00:34,009 --> 00:00:36,678 TO SERVE THIS COUNTRY, AND 8 00:00:36,678 --> 00:00:38,046 THAT'S WHAT ELIZABETH HANSON 9 00:00:38,046 --> 00:00:39,948 DID. 10 00:00:48,022 --> 00:00:59,099 I KNEW THAT THE C.I.A. OFFICERS 11 00:00:59,099 --> 00:01:01,268 WERE THERE BECAUSE I ORDERED 12 00:01:01,268 --> 00:01:03,103 THEM TO BE THERE. 13 00:01:03,103 --> 00:01:04,505 I HAD TO BEAR SOME OF THE 14 00:01:04,505 --> 00:01:08,041 RESPONSIBILITY FOR HAVING TAKEN 15 00:01:08,041 --> 00:01:09,776 THIS RISK. 16 00:01:12,512 --> 00:01:13,980 INITIAL REPORTS INDICATE THE 17 00:01:13,980 --> 00:01:15,315 BOMBER WAS BEING RECRUITED BY 18 00:01:15,315 --> 00:01:17,016 THE C.I.A. AS A SOURCE. 19 00:01:17,016 --> 00:01:18,585 THIS WAS THE WORST, SINGLE 20 00:01:18,585 --> 00:01:20,653 LOSS OF LIFE FOR THE C.I.A. 21 00:01:20,653 --> 00:01:23,689 SINCE 1983, WHEN A TRUCK BOMBER 22 00:01:23,689 --> 00:01:27,426 BLEW UP THE AMERICAN EMBASSY. 23 00:01:27,426 --> 00:01:30,095 THIS PERSON OBVIOUSLY TURNED 24 00:01:30,095 --> 00:01:34,900 OUT TO BE A DOUBLE AGENT AND HAD 25 00:01:34,900 --> 00:01:37,135 BLOWN HIMSELF UP, AS WELL AS OUR 26 00:01:37,135 --> 00:01:39,171 OFFICERS. 27 00:01:40,672 --> 00:01:42,306 IT'S HARD TO FIND THE WORDS WHEN 28 00:01:42,306 --> 00:01:45,109 SUDDENLY YOU'RE TOLD THAT SEVEN 29 00:01:45,109 --> 00:01:46,510 OF YOUR OFFICERS HAVE BEEN 30 00:01:46,510 --> 00:01:48,579 KILLED AND OTHERS SERIOUSLY 31 00:01:48,579 --> 00:01:49,947 WOUNDED. 32 00:01:49,947 --> 00:01:51,616 WHAT WENT THROUGH MY MIND WAS 33 00:01:51,616 --> 00:01:53,918 THE FAMILIES OUT THERE WHO, 34 00:01:53,918 --> 00:01:56,487 WITHIN A FEW HOURS, WERE GOING 35 00:01:56,487 --> 00:01:59,757 TO BE INFORMED THAT SOMEONE 36 00:01:59,757 --> 00:02:03,093 WHO... WHO THEY LOVED HAD BEEN 37 00:02:03,093 --> 00:02:05,729 KILLED. 38 00:02:08,164 --> 00:02:10,100 WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO 39 00:02:10,100 --> 00:02:13,670 FIGURE OUT WHO WERE THE ONES WHO 40 00:02:13,670 --> 00:02:16,273 PUSHED THAT BUTTON. 41 00:02:18,742 --> 00:02:21,043 WE HAVE A LOT OF SOURCES THAT WE 42 00:02:21,043 --> 00:02:25,114 RELY ON, SPIES. 43 00:02:25,114 --> 00:02:27,283 AND SO WE IMMEDIATELY ASKED THE 44 00:02:27,283 --> 00:02:28,751 QUESTION, "WHO THE HELL WAS 45 00:02:28,751 --> 00:02:30,819 INVOLVED IN THIS TRAGIC SUICIDE 46 00:02:30,819 --> 00:02:32,154 BOMBING?" 47 00:02:32,154 --> 00:02:33,889 WE WERE ABLE TO GET PRETTY GOOD 48 00:02:33,889 --> 00:02:36,158 INTELLIGENCE. 49 00:02:41,329 --> 00:02:42,930 AND SO, WE KNEW WHO THE 50 00:02:42,930 --> 00:02:45,700 INDIVIDUAL WAS. 51 00:02:45,700 --> 00:02:47,568 THIS WAS A BAD GUY, AND HE WAS 52 00:02:47,568 --> 00:02:51,005 CLEARLY A LEADER. 53 00:02:51,005 --> 00:02:52,507 HAD BEEN INVOLVED NOT ONLY IN 54 00:02:52,507 --> 00:02:54,175 GOING AFTER OUR OFFICERS, BUT IN 55 00:02:54,175 --> 00:02:55,643 KILLING MEMBERS OF OUR OWN 56 00:02:55,643 --> 00:02:57,878 FORCES IN AFGHANISTAN. 57 00:03:05,952 --> 00:03:10,957 AND IT WAS ON THE DAY OF 58 00:03:10,957 --> 00:03:13,560 ELIZABETH HANSON'S FUNERAL THAT 59 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,996 I GOT A CALL FROM OUR OPERATIONS 60 00:03:16,996 --> 00:03:17,997 CENTER. 61 00:03:17,997 --> 00:03:18,931 THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD PRETTY 62 00:03:18,931 --> 00:03:20,499 GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE 63 00:03:20,499 --> 00:03:22,535 THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS. 64 00:03:28,741 --> 00:03:31,610 UNFORTUNATELY, THIS INDIVIDUAL 65 00:03:31,610 --> 00:03:33,945 HAD FAMILY AND WIFE AND CHILDREN 66 00:03:33,945 --> 00:03:38,783 AROUND HIM, AND SO ONE OF THE 67 00:03:38,783 --> 00:03:41,353 TOUGH QUESTIONS WAS, YOU KNOW, 68 00:03:41,353 --> 00:03:43,054 "WHAT SHOULD WE DO?" 69 00:03:43,054 --> 00:03:44,022 STANDBY. 70 00:03:44,022 --> 00:03:45,023 DO NOT ENGAGE. 71 00:03:45,023 --> 00:03:46,257 DO NOT ENGAGE THE MOSQUE. 72 00:03:46,257 --> 00:03:46,991 ROGER. 73 00:03:46,991 --> 00:03:48,059 IF THERE WERE WOMEN AND 74 00:03:48,059 --> 00:03:49,861 CHILDREN IN THE SHOT, WE 75 00:03:49,861 --> 00:03:50,595 NORMALLY WOULD NOT 76 00:03:50,595 --> 00:03:52,429 TAKE THE SHOT. 77 00:03:52,429 --> 00:03:53,664 I REMEMBER CALLING THE WHITE 78 00:03:53,664 --> 00:03:56,567 HOUSE, AND THEY WERE AWARE HOW 79 00:03:56,567 --> 00:03:59,236 TOUGH A DECISION THIS IS AND 80 00:03:59,236 --> 00:04:00,437 BASICALLY SAID, "LOOK, YOU KNOW, 81 00:04:00,437 --> 00:04:01,372 YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A 82 00:04:01,372 --> 00:04:02,373 JUDGMENT HERE." 83 00:04:02,373 --> 00:04:04,975 SO I KNEW AT THAT POINT THAT IT 84 00:04:04,975 --> 00:04:06,210 WAS A DECISION THAT I WAS GOING 85 00:04:06,210 --> 00:04:08,145 TO HAVE TO MAKE. 86 00:04:08,145 --> 00:04:09,480 I MEAN, I'M THE ONE WHO'S GOING 87 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,049 TO HAVE TO SAY HAIL MARYS HERE. 88 00:04:13,049 --> 00:04:14,917 I WAS RAISED A CATHOLIC, I 89 00:04:14,917 --> 00:04:17,086 BELIEVE IN MY FAITH, AND I RELY 90 00:04:17,086 --> 00:04:18,654 A GREAT DEAL ON MY FAITH 91 00:04:18,654 --> 00:04:20,390 THROUGHOUT MY LIFE. 92 00:04:20,390 --> 00:04:22,091 I'VE ALWAYS CARRIED A ROSARY AND 93 00:04:22,091 --> 00:04:24,627 ALWAYS SAID A HELL OF A LOT OF 94 00:04:24,627 --> 00:04:28,798 HAIL MARYS IN TOUGH SITUATIONS. 95 00:04:28,798 --> 00:04:31,533 AND SUDDENLY, YOU KNOW, I FOUND 96 00:04:31,533 --> 00:04:33,535 THAT I WAS MAKING DECISIONS ON 97 00:04:33,535 --> 00:04:37,339 LIFE AND DEATH AS DIRECTOR, AND 98 00:04:37,339 --> 00:04:41,176 THOSE DECISIONS ARE NEVER EASY, 99 00:04:41,176 --> 00:04:42,544 AND FRANKLY THEY SHOULDN'T BE 100 00:04:42,544 --> 00:04:44,813 EASY. 101 00:04:47,581 --> 00:04:49,683 I FELT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT 102 00:04:49,683 --> 00:04:52,286 IN THAT JOB TO DO WHAT I COULD 103 00:04:52,286 --> 00:04:56,123 TO PROTECT THIS COUNTRY, SO I 104 00:04:56,123 --> 00:04:57,124 PASSED ON THE WORD. 105 00:04:57,124 --> 00:04:59,126 I SAID, IF YOU CAN ISOLATE THE 106 00:04:59,126 --> 00:05:01,495 INDIVIDUAL AND TAKE THE SHOT 107 00:05:01,495 --> 00:05:03,931 WITHOUT IMPACTING ON WOMEN OR 108 00:05:03,931 --> 00:05:06,299 CHILDREN, THEN DO IT. 109 00:05:14,374 --> 00:05:16,676 BUT IF YOU HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE 110 00:05:16,676 --> 00:05:18,077 AND IT LOOKS LIKE HE MIGHT GET 111 00:05:18,077 --> 00:05:22,816 AWAY, THEN TAKE THE SHOT. 112 00:05:22,816 --> 00:05:23,817 LET'S GO. 113 00:05:23,817 --> 00:05:24,883 ROLL IT IN. 114 00:05:24,883 --> 00:05:25,751 WILDFIRE, WE'RE CLEARED ON THE 115 00:05:25,751 --> 00:05:28,787 BUILDING. 116 00:05:30,622 --> 00:05:31,723 WE'RE CLEARED ON THE BIG 117 00:05:31,723 --> 00:05:32,357 SQUARE BUILDING. 118 00:05:32,357 --> 00:05:33,392 GO AHEAD AND LEVEL IT. 119 00:05:33,392 --> 00:05:35,861 ROGER THAT. 120 00:05:40,265 --> 00:05:42,434 YEAH, DIRECT HITS RIGHT THERE. 121 00:05:42,434 --> 00:05:43,968 AND IT DID INVOLVE COLLATERAL 122 00:05:43,968 --> 00:05:46,337 DAMAGE, BUT WE GOT HIM. 123 00:05:46,337 --> 00:05:48,139 IT'S DONE. 124 00:05:48,139 --> 00:05:49,474 THESE ARE TOUGH DECISIONS, 125 00:05:49,474 --> 00:05:50,641 AND YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT, THEY ARE 126 00:05:50,641 --> 00:05:52,643 TOUGH DECISIONS. 127 00:05:52,643 --> 00:05:55,279 BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WAR. 128 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,615 THIS IS A WAR. 129 00:05:57,615 --> 00:05:59,217 9/11, THESE PEOPLE DIDN'T 130 00:05:59,217 --> 00:06:02,352 HESITATE A MOMENT TO KILL 3,000 131 00:06:02,352 --> 00:06:03,420 PEOPLE AND TAKE DOWN THE TRADE 132 00:06:03,420 --> 00:06:05,889 CENTERS AND HIT THE PENTAGON. 133 00:06:05,889 --> 00:06:07,891 THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD 134 00:06:07,891 --> 00:06:11,194 NOT HESITATE TO ATTACK US AGAIN. 135 00:06:12,429 --> 00:06:16,233 IN THE END, WHAT YOU DO I THINK 136 00:06:16,233 --> 00:06:19,469 HAS TO BE BASED ON WHAT YOUR 137 00:06:19,469 --> 00:06:21,871 GUTS TELL YOU IS RIGHT. 138 00:06:21,871 --> 00:06:23,072 THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S ALL 139 00:06:23,072 --> 00:06:24,306 ABOUT. 140 00:06:24,306 --> 00:06:25,708 YOU HAVE TO BE TRUE TO YOURSELF 141 00:06:25,708 --> 00:06:27,710 AS TO WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT 142 00:06:27,710 --> 00:06:30,212 AND HOPE THAT ULTIMATELY GOD 143 00:06:30,212 --> 00:06:32,781 AGREES WITH YOU. 144 00:06:40,855 --> 00:06:48,897 Narrator: INSIDE THE C.I.A... 145 00:07:18,824 --> 00:07:20,092 I'M FORCED TO MAKE DECISIONS 146 00:07:20,092 --> 00:07:21,661 EVERY DAY. 147 00:07:21,661 --> 00:07:22,495 Narrator: DIRECTOR JOHN 148 00:07:22,495 --> 00:07:24,397 BRENNAN CARRIES THE BURDEN OF 149 00:07:24,397 --> 00:07:26,265 COMMAND. 150 00:07:26,265 --> 00:07:27,900 A LOT OF DECISIONS THAT WE 151 00:07:27,900 --> 00:07:29,802 RECOGNIZE HAVE RISKS ASSOCIATED 152 00:07:29,802 --> 00:07:33,873 WITH THEM, SIGNIFICANT RISKS 153 00:07:33,873 --> 00:07:35,740 THAT SOMETIMES CAN RESULT IN 154 00:07:35,740 --> 00:07:38,877 DEATHS. 155 00:07:38,877 --> 00:07:41,580 THE C.I.A.'S ACTIONS A DECADE 156 00:07:41,580 --> 00:07:45,383 AGO ARE A STAIN ON OUR VALUE AND 157 00:07:45,383 --> 00:07:46,785 ON OUR HISTORY. 158 00:07:46,785 --> 00:07:48,286 YOU CAN'T CLAIM THAT TYING 159 00:07:48,286 --> 00:07:50,021 SOMEONE TO THE FLOOR AND HAVING 160 00:07:50,021 --> 00:07:52,524 THEM FREEZE TO DEATH IS NOT 161 00:07:52,524 --> 00:07:53,791 TORTURE. 162 00:07:53,791 --> 00:07:56,293 TORTURE WAS WHAT THE AL QAEDA 163 00:07:56,293 --> 00:07:57,094 TERRORISTS DID TO 3,000 164 00:07:57,094 --> 00:07:59,830 AMERICANS ON 9/11. 165 00:08:03,601 --> 00:08:04,735 I WISH THE WORLD WERE 166 00:08:04,735 --> 00:08:07,304 SIMPLER. 167 00:08:07,304 --> 00:08:09,473 I WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE 168 00:08:09,473 --> 00:08:13,042 COMPLEX CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE 169 00:08:17,246 --> 00:08:19,082 WHERE THERE IS NOT A RIGHT AND 170 00:08:19,082 --> 00:08:20,483 WRONG ANSWER, WHERE IT'S NOT 171 00:08:20,483 --> 00:08:23,319 BLACK AND WHITE. 172 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:24,587 ON THOSE DAYS WHEN I'M THINKING 173 00:08:24,587 --> 00:08:25,622 ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WORRY ME 174 00:08:25,622 --> 00:08:29,258 MOST, THERE IS THE BIOLOGICAL 175 00:08:29,258 --> 00:08:32,160 AGENT, THERE IS THE DEVASTATING 176 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,362 STRATEGIC TYPE OF TERRORIST 177 00:08:33,362 --> 00:08:35,964 ATTACK, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT 178 00:08:35,964 --> 00:08:37,399 THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE SO 179 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:38,634 DETERMINED TO CAUSE AS MUCH 180 00:08:38,634 --> 00:08:40,402 HAVOC AND DESTRUCTION AND DEATH 181 00:08:40,402 --> 00:08:42,571 AS POSSIBLE. 182 00:08:46,642 --> 00:08:48,510 HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THIS 183 00:08:48,510 --> 00:08:50,077 PHENOMENON THAT WE'RE FACING AS 184 00:08:50,077 --> 00:08:58,219 FAR AS TERRORISM, LIKE ISIS AND 185 00:08:58,252 --> 00:09:07,961 THEIR WANTON, MURDEROUS 186 00:09:07,961 --> 00:09:10,597 ACTIVITIES? 187 00:09:15,535 --> 00:09:18,471 ISIS RULES WITH BRUTALITY AND 188 00:09:18,471 --> 00:09:20,440 FEAR, PUBLICLY EXECUTING THOSE 189 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,375 WHO OFFEND ITS STRICT VERSION OF 190 00:09:22,375 --> 00:09:25,378 ISLAMIC LAW. 191 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,149 WELL, WE CAN LET THESE 192 00:09:30,149 --> 00:09:30,949 TERRORIST ORGANITIONS THRIVE 193 00:09:30,949 --> 00:09:32,251 AND NOT TAKE ACTION AGAINST 194 00:09:32,251 --> 00:09:38,123 THEM, OR WE CAN TRY TO TAKE 195 00:09:38,123 --> 00:09:39,458 ACTION THAT'S GOING TO DISRUPT 196 00:09:39,458 --> 00:09:41,960 THEIR PLANS. 197 00:09:43,696 --> 00:09:44,962 Narrator: IN A CONFLICT 198 00:09:44,962 --> 00:09:49,467 AGAINST A RUTHLESS ENEMY, WHAT 199 00:09:49,467 --> 00:09:51,035 ARE THE RULES FOR AMERICA'S 200 00:09:51,035 --> 00:09:52,704 SPYMASTERS? 201 00:09:52,704 --> 00:09:54,138 GO FOR THE VEHICLE. 202 00:09:54,138 --> 00:09:55,840 YOU ARE NOW FREE TO ENGAGE THE 203 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,341 MOVING VEHICLE. 204 00:09:57,341 --> 00:09:58,509 Narrator: DOES THE C.I.A. GO 205 00:09:58,509 --> 00:10:00,111 TOO FAR... 206 00:10:00,111 --> 00:10:04,948 (UNINTELLIGIBLE COMMANDS) 207 00:10:04,948 --> 00:10:05,716 Narrator: ...OR NOT FAR 208 00:10:05,716 --> 00:10:08,819 ENOUGH? 209 00:10:08,819 --> 00:10:09,953 KILLING PEOPLE, NO MATTER HOW 210 00:10:09,953 --> 00:10:12,289 BAD THEY ARE, IS NOT SOMETHING 211 00:10:12,289 --> 00:10:13,657 THAT SHOULD EVER REST EASILY IN 212 00:10:13,657 --> 00:10:15,092 ANYBODY'S SOUL OR IN ANYBODY'S 213 00:10:15,092 --> 00:10:16,326 BRAIN. 214 00:10:16,326 --> 00:10:17,761 SOMETIMES I THINK WE GET 215 00:10:17,761 --> 00:10:20,197 OURSELVES INTO A FRENZY, INTO 216 00:10:20,197 --> 00:10:21,697 BELIEVING THAT KILLING IS THE 217 00:10:21,697 --> 00:10:23,699 ONLY ANSWER TO A PROBLEM. 218 00:10:23,699 --> 00:10:25,935 AND THE TRUTH IS, IT'S NOT. 219 00:10:31,140 --> 00:10:32,475 Narrator: ONLY 12 MEN ALIVE 220 00:10:32,475 --> 00:10:34,143 TODAY HAVE MADE THE 221 00:10:34,143 --> 00:10:36,178 LIFE-AND-DEATH DECISIONS THAT 222 00:10:36,178 --> 00:10:38,047 COME WITH RUNNING THE WORLD'S 223 00:10:38,047 --> 00:10:39,715 MOST POWERFUL INTELLIGENCE 224 00:10:39,715 --> 00:10:40,548 AGENCY. 225 00:10:40,548 --> 00:10:41,816 LET ME BARE MY SOUL JUST A 226 00:10:41,816 --> 00:10:44,085 LITTLE BIT MORE. 227 00:10:44,085 --> 00:10:44,953 Narrator: THE KEEPERS OF 228 00:10:44,953 --> 00:10:50,225 AMERICA'S SECRETS, 229 00:10:50,225 --> 00:10:56,264 THE SPYMASTERS AND THEIR TOP 230 00:10:56,264 --> 00:10:57,766 OPERATIVES SHARE THEIR 231 00:10:57,766 --> 00:10:59,900 CONVICTIONS AND, FOR THE FIRST 232 00:10:59,900 --> 00:11:01,468 TIME, THEIR PASSIONATE 233 00:11:01,468 --> 00:11:02,569 DISAGREEMENTS, ABOUT THE 234 00:11:02,569 --> 00:11:04,805 AGENCY'S PAST, ITS CURRENT 235 00:11:04,805 --> 00:11:07,374 MISSION AND ITS FUTURE. 236 00:11:07,374 --> 00:11:09,777 IT IS A BATTLE FOR THE SOUL OF 237 00:11:09,777 --> 00:11:12,880 THE C.I.A. 238 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,515 WHEN YOU'RE CONFRONTING AN 239 00:11:14,515 --> 00:11:17,150 ENEMY THAT'S PREPARED TO BLOW UP 240 00:11:17,150 --> 00:11:20,019 AND KILL INNOCENT MEN, WOMEN AND 241 00:11:20,019 --> 00:11:23,790 CHILDREN, YOU HAVE TO GO AT THEM 242 00:11:23,790 --> 00:11:26,058 USING THE CAPABILITIES THAT WE 243 00:11:26,058 --> 00:11:27,160 HAVE. 244 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,896 FOR ME, THAT'S THE BASIC RULE: 245 00:11:29,896 --> 00:11:32,031 DO WE PROTECT OUR PEOPLE OR DO 246 00:11:32,031 --> 00:11:34,167 WE NOT PROTECT THEM? 247 00:11:41,673 --> 00:11:42,407 Narrator: DID THE WHITE HOUSE 248 00:11:42,407 --> 00:11:45,744 IGNORE THE C.I.A.'S WARNINGS 249 00:11:45,744 --> 00:11:48,380 ABOUT 911? 250 00:11:48,380 --> 00:11:50,148 3,000 AMERICANS HAD BEEN 251 00:11:50,148 --> 00:11:52,184 KILLED. 252 00:11:52,184 --> 00:11:53,618 THERE WAS AN EMOTIONAL PIECE OF 253 00:11:53,618 --> 00:11:55,753 THIS BECAUSE WE HAD WOKEN UP 254 00:11:55,753 --> 00:11:59,123 EVERY DAY OF OUR LIVES TRYING TO 255 00:11:59,123 --> 00:12:02,226 STOP WHAT JUST HAD HAPPENED. 256 00:12:07,998 --> 00:12:09,200 Narrator: WHAT'S FAIR GAME 257 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,569 AGAINST TERRORISTS HELL-BENT ON 258 00:12:11,569 --> 00:12:14,137 ATTACKING US AGAIN? 259 00:12:14,137 --> 00:12:16,005 BLACK SITES, INDEFINITE 260 00:12:16,005 --> 00:12:18,541 DETENTION? 261 00:12:18,541 --> 00:12:19,909 YOU'RE DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL 262 00:12:19,909 --> 00:12:21,511 INTELLIGENCE AND SOMEBODY COMES 263 00:12:21,511 --> 00:12:22,745 FORWARD AND SAYS TO YOU, "WE GOT 264 00:12:22,745 --> 00:12:24,547 THESE BAD GUYS, WE KNOW THEY'RE 265 00:12:24,547 --> 00:12:25,748 BAD GUYS. 266 00:12:25,748 --> 00:12:26,749 WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US TO DO 267 00:12:26,749 --> 00:12:27,717 WITH THEM?" 268 00:12:27,717 --> 00:12:29,853 WELL, THE OLD TRADITIONAL WAY 269 00:12:29,853 --> 00:12:30,887 WOULD HAVE BEEN TO PUT THEM IN 270 00:12:30,887 --> 00:12:32,054 THE BACK OF THE TRUCK AND SHOOT 271 00:12:32,054 --> 00:12:32,888 THEM. 272 00:12:32,888 --> 00:12:33,956 WELL, THAT'S NOT A VERY GOOD 273 00:12:33,956 --> 00:12:35,824 IDEA, IS IT? 274 00:12:35,824 --> 00:12:36,558 Narrator: ARE BRUTAL 275 00:12:36,558 --> 00:12:39,561 INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES EVER 276 00:12:39,561 --> 00:12:40,796 ACCEPTABLE? 277 00:12:40,796 --> 00:12:41,697 THE SENATE REPORT HAS 278 00:12:41,697 --> 00:12:43,232 PUBLICLY REVEALED GRAPHIC NEW 279 00:12:43,232 --> 00:12:43,799 DETAILS. 280 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:45,033 ...AND THE REPORT SAYS 281 00:12:45,033 --> 00:12:46,768 DETAINEES WERE KEPT IN TOTAL 282 00:12:46,768 --> 00:12:48,871 DARKNESS, SHACKLED TO THE WALL 283 00:12:48,871 --> 00:12:51,772 IN 45-DEGREE TEMPERATURES. 284 00:12:51,772 --> 00:12:53,474 WE WERE ASKED TO DO SOME VERY 285 00:12:53,474 --> 00:12:54,709 HARD THINGS. 286 00:12:54,709 --> 00:12:55,376 ARE WE HAPPY WE DID THEM? 287 00:12:55,376 --> 00:12:56,277 OF COURSE NOT. 288 00:12:56,277 --> 00:12:57,478 WOULD WE DO THEM AGAIN? 289 00:12:57,478 --> 00:12:58,312 I WOULD HOPE SO IF WE FOUND 290 00:12:58,312 --> 00:12:59,080 OURSELVES IN THOSE 291 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,750 CIRCUMSTANCES. 292 00:13:02,750 --> 00:13:05,219 I JUST DON'T THINK A COUNTRY 293 00:13:05,219 --> 00:13:09,289 LIKE OURS SHOULD BE CULPABLE OF 294 00:13:09,289 --> 00:13:11,691 CONDUCTING TORTURE. 295 00:13:11,691 --> 00:13:14,995 I JUST THINK IT'S BENEATH OUR 296 00:13:14,995 --> 00:13:16,062 DIGNITY. 297 00:13:16,062 --> 00:13:17,964 I THINK IT'S POOR FOR OUR 298 00:13:17,964 --> 00:13:22,369 REPUTATION AND THE WORLD. 299 00:13:22,369 --> 00:13:23,603 I'M NOT GOING TO EVER ACCEPT 300 00:13:23,603 --> 00:13:25,038 THE USE OF THE WORD "TORTURE" IN 301 00:13:25,038 --> 00:13:26,972 FRONT OF WHAT HAPPENED HERE. 302 00:13:26,972 --> 00:13:31,110 I'M NOT GOING TO FALL TO THAT. 303 00:13:31,110 --> 00:13:32,378 Narrator: HAS THE C.I.A. 304 00:13:32,378 --> 00:13:35,080 BECOME A SECRET ARMY, A KILLING 305 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,317 MACHINE? 306 00:13:38,317 --> 00:13:39,184 YOU'RE SITTING THERE IN THE 307 00:13:39,184 --> 00:13:41,387 MIDDLE OF NOWHERE IN NEVADA, AND 308 00:13:41,387 --> 00:13:43,622 YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SCREEN THAT 309 00:13:43,622 --> 00:13:46,057 IS TELEVISING WHAT LOOKS FOR ALL 310 00:13:46,057 --> 00:13:48,326 THE WORLD LIKE A BIG VIDEO GAME. 311 00:13:48,326 --> 00:13:51,062 AND PUSH A BUTTON AND A PICKUP 312 00:13:51,062 --> 00:13:53,031 TRUCK EXPLODES HALF A WORLD 313 00:13:53,031 --> 00:13:57,101 AWAY. 314 00:13:57,101 --> 00:13:58,536 I MEAN, IF THEY'RE BAD GUYS 315 00:13:58,536 --> 00:14:00,405 AND THEY'RE DOING US HARM, 316 00:14:00,405 --> 00:14:02,774 I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. 317 00:14:02,774 --> 00:14:07,244 NOW THE DARK SIDE. 318 00:14:07,244 --> 00:14:08,845 YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T BE PERFECT. 319 00:14:08,845 --> 00:14:11,114 THERE IS COLLATERAL DAMAGE. 320 00:14:11,114 --> 00:14:13,717 (CRYING) 321 00:14:21,792 --> 00:14:29,265 WE FEED THE JIHADI 322 00:14:29,265 --> 00:14:32,201 RECRUITMENT VIDEO THAT THESE 323 00:14:32,201 --> 00:14:36,939 AMERICANS ARE HEARTLESS KILLERS. 324 00:14:36,939 --> 00:14:39,542 WE MAY HAVE TO USE THESE 325 00:14:39,542 --> 00:14:42,577 KINDS OF WEAPONS, BUT, IN THE 326 00:14:42,577 --> 00:14:43,912 END, LET ME TELL YOU 327 00:14:43,912 --> 00:14:46,948 SOMETHING--IF WE FAIL TO DO THIS 328 00:14:46,948 --> 00:14:49,751 AND GOD FORBID THIS COUNTRY 329 00:14:49,751 --> 00:14:53,121 FACED ANOTHER 9/11, YOU KNOW 330 00:14:53,121 --> 00:14:54,255 WHAT THE FIRST QUESTION WOULD 331 00:14:54,255 --> 00:14:56,458 BE: WHY THE HELL DID YOU LET 332 00:14:56,458 --> 00:14:57,959 THIS HAPPEN? 333 00:14:57,959 --> 00:14:59,593 WHY THE HELL DID YOU LET THIS 334 00:14:59,593 --> 00:15:01,595 HAPPEN? 335 00:15:09,670 --> 00:15:17,711 IF YOU ARE A TERRORISM 336 00:15:21,381 --> 00:15:24,050 ANALYST FOR LONG ENOUGH, YOU 337 00:15:24,050 --> 00:15:26,019 WILL HAVE MANY MOMENTS WHERE YOU 338 00:15:26,019 --> 00:15:30,757 WILL FEEL RESPONSIBLE. 339 00:15:30,757 --> 00:15:32,992 RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT HAVING 340 00:15:32,992 --> 00:15:34,927 STAYED LONG ENOUGH, NOT HAVING 341 00:15:34,927 --> 00:15:36,762 STAYED LATE ENOUGH, NOT HAVING 342 00:15:36,762 --> 00:15:38,330 THOUGHT HARD ENOUGH. 343 00:15:38,330 --> 00:15:40,332 NOT HAVING PLOWED THROUGH ENOUGH 344 00:15:40,332 --> 00:15:43,368 DATA TO CONNECT THOSE PROVERBIAL 345 00:15:43,368 --> 00:15:44,436 DOTS. 346 00:15:44,436 --> 00:15:46,772 AND YOU'LL SEE ON THE OTHER END 347 00:15:46,772 --> 00:15:49,374 OF THAT INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HURT 348 00:15:49,374 --> 00:15:52,444 OR KILLED. 349 00:15:56,313 --> 00:15:58,816 I GAVE BIRTH TO MY FIRST SON IN 350 00:15:58,816 --> 00:16:00,418 WHAT WAS A VERY EMERGENCY 351 00:16:00,418 --> 00:16:01,118 C-SECTION. 352 00:16:01,118 --> 00:16:03,287 HE WAS QUITE EARLY. 353 00:16:03,287 --> 00:16:05,556 I WAS LYING DOWN IN MY HOSPITAL 354 00:16:05,556 --> 00:16:06,257 BED, STILL TRYING TO GET OVER 355 00:16:06,257 --> 00:16:08,859 SOME OF THE PAIN. 356 00:16:08,859 --> 00:16:11,362 MY PHONE RANG, AND I HEARD MY 357 00:16:11,362 --> 00:16:13,030 BOSS SCREAMING ON THE OTHER END, 358 00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:14,297 "YOUR PEOPLE DID THIS, YOUR 359 00:16:14,297 --> 00:16:16,266 PEOPLE DID THIS." 360 00:16:16,266 --> 00:16:17,400 AND I HAD NO IDEA WHAT SHE WAS 361 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,102 TALKING ABOUT, BUT I KNEW SHE 362 00:16:19,102 --> 00:16:20,136 MEANT SOMETHING BAD HAD 363 00:16:20,136 --> 00:16:23,540 HAPPENED. 364 00:16:23,540 --> 00:16:25,675 AND I TURNED ON THE TELEVISION, 365 00:16:25,675 --> 00:16:27,644 AND I SAW, AND I KNEW WHAT SHE 366 00:16:27,644 --> 00:16:28,545 MEANT. 367 00:16:28,545 --> 00:16:31,181 Narrator: FEBRUARY 26, 1993. 368 00:16:31,181 --> 00:16:32,347 WE HEARD A TREMENDOUS 369 00:16:32,347 --> 00:16:33,382 EXPLOSION. 370 00:16:33,382 --> 00:16:34,249 THE ENTIRE BUILDING. 371 00:16:34,249 --> 00:16:34,950 Narrator: IN AN UNDERGROUND 372 00:16:34,950 --> 00:16:37,419 GARAGE IN NEW YORK CITY, A VAN 373 00:16:37,419 --> 00:16:39,655 PACKED WITH EXPLOSIVES 374 00:16:39,655 --> 00:16:43,058 DETONATES, KILLING SIX PEOPLE 375 00:16:43,058 --> 00:16:44,426 AND INJURING MORE THAN A 376 00:16:44,426 --> 00:16:45,828 THOUSAND. 377 00:16:45,828 --> 00:16:47,963 IT WOULD BE THE FIRST ATTACK ON 378 00:16:47,963 --> 00:16:49,164 THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. 379 00:16:49,164 --> 00:16:50,265 THE FACT IS, AT THIS HOUR, 380 00:16:50,265 --> 00:16:52,066 POLICE SIMPLY DON'T KNOW WHO DID 381 00:16:52,066 --> 00:16:56,037 THIS OR WHY. 382 00:16:56,037 --> 00:16:57,405 THE BIG MESSAGE THAT COMES 383 00:16:57,405 --> 00:16:59,674 OUT OF THE 1993 TRADE CENTER 384 00:16:59,674 --> 00:17:02,910 BOMBING IS THAT A THRESHOLD HAS 385 00:17:02,910 --> 00:17:03,845 BEEN CROSSED. 386 00:17:03,845 --> 00:17:05,847 THEY'VE HIT US HERE. 387 00:17:05,847 --> 00:17:07,782 BUT YOU KNOW, THINKING BACK ON 388 00:17:07,782 --> 00:17:09,783 IT, I'M NOT SURE THAT MESSAGE 389 00:17:09,783 --> 00:17:11,751 WAS AS POWERFULLY ABSORBED AS WE 390 00:17:11,751 --> 00:17:14,588 CAN SEE IT IN RETROSPECT. 391 00:17:14,588 --> 00:17:15,322 Narrator: THE TRAIL WOULD 392 00:17:15,322 --> 00:17:16,857 LEAD TO A SHADOWY NETWORK OF 393 00:17:16,857 --> 00:17:18,892 JIHADISTS IN AFGHANISTAN THAT 394 00:17:18,892 --> 00:17:20,660 THE WORLD WOULD COME TO KNOW AS 395 00:17:20,660 --> 00:17:22,562 AL QAEDA, AND A CHARISMATIC 396 00:17:22,562 --> 00:17:24,564 SAUDI MULTI-MILLIONAIRE. 397 00:17:24,564 --> 00:17:26,633 I HAD LIKENED OSAMA BIN LADEN 398 00:17:26,633 --> 00:17:28,968 AT THE TIME TO-- I KNOW THIS IS 399 00:17:28,968 --> 00:17:30,369 HORRIBLE TO SAY, BUT TO DONALD 400 00:17:30,369 --> 00:17:31,604 TRUMP. 401 00:17:31,604 --> 00:17:32,605 YOU KNOW, HE WAS LIKE THE DONALD 402 00:17:32,605 --> 00:17:33,606 TRUMP OF THE TERRORISM 403 00:17:33,606 --> 00:17:34,273 UNDERWORLD. 404 00:17:34,273 --> 00:17:36,342 HE HAD THE WHEREWITHAL AND A 405 00:17:36,342 --> 00:17:37,643 VISION THAT WAS CLEARLY 406 00:17:37,643 --> 00:17:38,811 CONTROVERSIAL AND DIFFERENT FROM 407 00:17:38,811 --> 00:17:40,179 EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT, YOU KNOW, 408 00:17:40,179 --> 00:17:41,914 THE TENACITY TO FOLLOW IT. 409 00:17:41,914 --> 00:17:43,649 I DEFINITELY DREW A LOT OF 410 00:17:43,649 --> 00:17:45,484 SNICKERS FROM MY... FROM MY 411 00:17:45,484 --> 00:17:46,985 COLLEAGUES WHO THOUGHT I WAS 412 00:17:46,985 --> 00:17:48,186 MAKING A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A 413 00:17:48,186 --> 00:17:49,787 MOLEHILL AND BLOWING HIM OUT OF 414 00:17:49,787 --> 00:17:52,257 PROPORTION. 415 00:17:52,257 --> 00:17:56,494 Narrator: AUGUST 7, 1998. 416 00:17:56,494 --> 00:17:58,630 SUICIDE TRUCK BOMBERS STRIKE 417 00:17:58,630 --> 00:18:00,865 AMERICAN EMBASSIES IN TANZANIA 418 00:18:00,865 --> 00:18:04,202 AND KENYA, EAST AFRICA. 419 00:18:04,202 --> 00:18:08,005 224 PEOPLE LIE DEAD, TWO OF THEM 420 00:18:08,005 --> 00:18:11,141 C.I.A. OFFICERS. 421 00:18:11,141 --> 00:18:12,276 AFTER THE EAST AFRICA 422 00:18:12,276 --> 00:18:13,911 BOMBINGS, I SAT AT HOME AND 423 00:18:13,911 --> 00:18:15,913 FURIOUSLY DRAFTED A MEMO CALLED 424 00:18:15,913 --> 00:18:18,282 "WE'RE AT WAR." 425 00:18:18,282 --> 00:18:20,584 ENOUGH SWATTING AT FLIES; WE 426 00:18:20,584 --> 00:18:21,885 NEED TO PUT A WORLDWIDE PLAN IN 427 00:18:21,885 --> 00:18:24,086 PLACE WHERE WE CAN START 428 00:18:24,086 --> 00:18:25,988 DEMONSTRATING THAT WE CAN 429 00:18:25,988 --> 00:18:27,423 PENETRATE THIS ADVERSARY, GET 430 00:18:27,423 --> 00:18:28,958 INTO THE SANCTUARY, PENETRATE 431 00:18:28,958 --> 00:18:31,160 HIS MAJOR OPERATIONAL HUBS AND 432 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,429 SET US UP FOR REALLY PROVIDING 433 00:18:33,429 --> 00:18:34,964 POLICYMAKERS WITH HARD 434 00:18:34,964 --> 00:18:36,432 INTELLIGENCE WITH WHICH THEY 435 00:18:36,432 --> 00:18:39,769 COULD MAKE DECISIONS. 436 00:18:42,637 --> 00:18:44,406 Narrator: COFER BLACK, A 437 00:18:44,406 --> 00:18:46,608 LEGENDARY OPERATIVE, HAD ESCAPED 438 00:18:46,608 --> 00:18:48,343 AN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT BY AL 439 00:18:48,343 --> 00:18:53,848 QAEDA WHILE SERVING IN KHARTOUM. 440 00:18:53,848 --> 00:18:55,083 THE FIRST WEEK THAT I WAS IN 441 00:18:55,083 --> 00:18:56,518 THE COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER, NEW 442 00:18:56,518 --> 00:18:58,820 CHIEF COMES IN, AND THEY STICK 443 00:18:58,820 --> 00:19:00,055 YOU IN A CONFERENCE ROOM, AND 444 00:19:00,055 --> 00:19:01,789 PEOPLE START COMING IN AND 445 00:19:01,789 --> 00:19:02,923 BRIEFING YOU ON ALL THEIR AREAS 446 00:19:02,923 --> 00:19:04,792 OF ACTIVITY. 447 00:19:04,792 --> 00:19:06,093 I DON'T SHOCK EASY, BUT I WAS 448 00:19:06,093 --> 00:19:07,328 SHOCKED. 449 00:19:07,328 --> 00:19:09,063 THIS WAS A WAVE OF THREATS 450 00:19:09,063 --> 00:19:10,931 COMING AT THE UNITED STATES. 451 00:19:10,931 --> 00:19:13,234 THERE WAS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND 452 00:19:13,234 --> 00:19:15,369 THAT THE UNITED STATES WAS GOING 453 00:19:15,369 --> 00:19:17,171 TO BE STRUCK AND STRUCK HARD. 454 00:19:17,171 --> 00:19:18,339 LOTS OF AMERICANS WERE GOING TO 455 00:19:18,339 --> 00:19:21,674 DIE. 456 00:19:21,674 --> 00:19:22,976 SANDY BERGER, THE NATIONAL 457 00:19:22,976 --> 00:19:24,444 SECURITY ADVISOR AT THE END OF 458 00:19:24,444 --> 00:19:25,478 THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, 459 00:19:25,478 --> 00:19:26,846 ASKED US FOR A VERY IMPORTANT 460 00:19:26,846 --> 00:19:28,181 PIECE OF PAPER. 461 00:19:28,181 --> 00:19:29,415 WE CALLED IT THE "BLUE SKY 462 00:19:29,415 --> 00:19:31,017 PAPER." 463 00:19:31,017 --> 00:19:34,053 HE SAID, "I WANT YOU TO IMAGINE 464 00:19:34,053 --> 00:19:35,321 THAT YOU HAD ALL THE AUTHORITIES 465 00:19:35,321 --> 00:19:37,689 YOU NEEDED AND ALL THE RESOURCES 466 00:19:37,689 --> 00:19:38,790 YOU NEEDED TO TAKE DOWN AL 467 00:19:38,790 --> 00:19:39,124 QAEDA. 468 00:19:39,124 --> 00:19:40,525 WHAT WOULD YOU DO?" 469 00:19:40,525 --> 00:19:41,994 GETTING INTO THE AFGHAN 470 00:19:41,994 --> 00:19:42,995 SANCTUARY, LAUNCHING A 471 00:19:42,995 --> 00:19:44,730 PARAMILITARY OPERATION-- WE KNEW 472 00:19:44,730 --> 00:19:46,498 EXACTLY WHAT TO DO. 473 00:19:46,498 --> 00:19:48,166 WE WERE READY TO DO IT. 474 00:19:48,166 --> 00:19:51,136 THE IMPORTANT PART IS, NO 475 00:19:51,136 --> 00:19:52,771 ACTION WAS TAKEN. 476 00:19:52,771 --> 00:19:55,941 IT WAS NOT ADVANCED. 477 00:19:55,941 --> 00:19:57,108 Narrator: AS AL QAEDA GROWS 478 00:19:57,108 --> 00:19:59,143 MORE LETHAL, C.I.A. DIRECTOR 479 00:19:59,143 --> 00:20:01,245 GEORGE TENET FACES A TEST THAT 480 00:20:01,245 --> 00:20:02,880 WILL DEFINE HIS PLACE IN 481 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,850 HISTORY: CAN THE C.I.A. STOP BIN 482 00:20:05,850 --> 00:20:08,586 LADEN BEFORE HE STRIKES THE 483 00:20:08,586 --> 00:20:13,858 UNITED STATES AGAIN? 484 00:20:13,858 --> 00:20:16,393 ON SEPTEMBER 28, 2000, WE 485 00:20:16,393 --> 00:20:18,428 WERE TESTING DRONES OVER 486 00:20:18,428 --> 00:20:20,797 AFGHANISTAN WHEN WE SAW A VERY 487 00:20:20,797 --> 00:20:24,834 TALL MAN IN WHITE ROBES WHO WE 488 00:20:24,834 --> 00:20:27,437 ASSUMED AT THE TIME WAS BIN 489 00:20:27,437 --> 00:20:32,042 LADEN. 490 00:20:32,042 --> 00:20:34,076 I MEAN, I LOVE THIS. 491 00:20:34,076 --> 00:20:36,078 THIS IS SUCH A WASHINGTON THING. 492 00:20:36,078 --> 00:20:38,380 OUR INSTRUCTIONS WERE TO CAPTURE 493 00:20:38,380 --> 00:20:39,448 HIM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE 494 00:20:39,448 --> 00:20:41,016 ATTEMPTED TO DO. 495 00:20:41,016 --> 00:20:41,917 AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 496 00:20:41,917 --> 00:20:44,019 CAPTURING, I WOULD THINK, AND 497 00:20:44,019 --> 00:20:46,221 THE ALTERNATIVE IS SIGNIFICANT. 498 00:20:46,221 --> 00:20:47,856 AND THE GAP IS LARGE. 499 00:20:47,856 --> 00:20:49,491 KILLING BIN LADEN IN THE TIME 500 00:20:49,491 --> 00:20:51,260 PERIOD WE OPERATED WAS NEVER AN 501 00:20:51,260 --> 00:20:53,094 OPTION BECAUSE THE ATTORNEY 502 00:20:53,094 --> 00:20:54,562 GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES 503 00:20:54,562 --> 00:20:57,665 COULD ONLY BE KILLED IN THEAT HE 504 00:20:57,665 --> 00:21:00,101 CONTEXT OF A CAPTURE OPERATION. 505 00:21:00,101 --> 00:21:01,669 DID YOU TELL THE WHITE HOUSE, 506 00:21:01,669 --> 00:21:05,373 DID YOU TELL JANET RENO, "LOOK, 507 00:21:05,373 --> 00:21:07,208 YOU DON'T GET IT. 508 00:21:07,208 --> 00:21:08,676 WE HAVE TO KILL THIS GUY. 509 00:21:08,676 --> 00:21:10,278 WE HAVE TO TAKE HIM DOWN"? 510 00:21:10,278 --> 00:21:11,411 NO. 511 00:21:11,411 --> 00:21:12,979 I'LL TELL YOU WHY. 512 00:21:12,979 --> 00:21:14,448 I HAVE AN INSTITUTIONAL 513 00:21:14,448 --> 00:21:16,516 RESPONSIBILITY; I PLAY IN A 514 00:21:16,516 --> 00:21:17,751 PROCESS WHERE THE PRESIDENT OF 515 00:21:17,751 --> 00:21:18,952 THE UNITED STATES AND THE 516 00:21:18,952 --> 00:21:20,520 ATTORNEY GENERAL HAVE TO ACCEPT 517 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:21,922 RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ACTIONS 518 00:21:21,922 --> 00:21:26,360 WE'RE GOING TO TAKE. 519 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:27,427 Narrator: BUT THE EAST AFRICA 520 00:21:27,427 --> 00:21:29,929 BOMBINGS IN 1998 HAD CHANGED THE 521 00:21:29,929 --> 00:21:31,263 CALCULUS FOR PRESIDENT BILL 522 00:21:31,263 --> 00:21:33,366 CLINTON. 523 00:21:33,366 --> 00:21:34,800 HE LAUNCHED CRUISE MISSILE 524 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,369 STRIKES IN AN EFFORT TO KILL BIN 525 00:21:36,369 --> 00:21:39,905 LADEN, BUT THEY MISSED. 526 00:21:39,905 --> 00:21:41,640 THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION 527 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,809 SPENT EIGHT YEARS LEARNING TO 528 00:21:43,809 --> 00:21:45,811 APPRECIATE THIS THREAT, AND ONLY 529 00:21:45,811 --> 00:21:48,580 AT THE VERY END DID THEY GET IT. 530 00:21:48,580 --> 00:21:49,914 I, GEORGE WALKER BUSH, DO 531 00:21:49,914 --> 00:21:51,483 SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL 532 00:21:51,483 --> 00:21:52,584 FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE OFFICE OF 533 00:21:52,584 --> 00:21:55,387 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 534 00:21:55,387 --> 00:21:57,155 THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT 535 00:21:57,155 --> 00:21:58,556 POLICYMAKERS ACROSS TWO 536 00:21:58,556 --> 00:22:00,191 ADMINISTRATIONS UNDERSTOOD FROM 537 00:22:00,191 --> 00:22:03,194 ME, AND UNDERSTOOD FROM COFER 538 00:22:03,194 --> 00:22:04,362 AND ALL OF OUR ANALYSTS AND 539 00:22:04,362 --> 00:22:05,630 PEOPLE WHO BRIEFED THEM, 540 00:22:05,630 --> 00:22:06,864 UNDERSTOOD THE MAGNITUDE OF THE 541 00:22:06,864 --> 00:22:10,033 THREAT IN FRONT OF THEM. 542 00:22:12,169 --> 00:22:15,572 IN THE SPRING OF 2001, WE 543 00:22:15,572 --> 00:22:17,441 SUBMITTED AUTHORITIES TO THE 544 00:22:17,441 --> 00:22:19,109 INCOMING BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND 545 00:22:19,109 --> 00:22:20,677 ESSENTIALLY ADVOCATING A 546 00:22:20,677 --> 00:22:22,613 PARAMILITARY OPERATION. 547 00:22:22,613 --> 00:22:25,615 AND THE WORD BACK WAS, "WE'RE 548 00:22:25,615 --> 00:22:27,083 NOT QUITE READY TO CONSIDER THIS 549 00:22:27,083 --> 00:22:29,118 WE DON'T WANT THE CLOCK TO START 550 00:22:29,118 --> 00:22:31,821 TICKING." 551 00:22:31,821 --> 00:22:33,756 WHAT DID THAT MEAN TO YOU? 552 00:22:33,756 --> 00:22:34,991 THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WAS 553 00:22:34,991 --> 00:22:36,859 NOT QUITE READY TO CONSIDER WHAT 554 00:22:36,859 --> 00:22:38,227 ITS OPTIONS WERE WITH REGARD TO 555 00:22:38,227 --> 00:22:39,729 TERRORISM. 556 00:22:39,729 --> 00:22:41,164 I THINK THEY WERE MENTALLY 557 00:22:41,164 --> 00:22:42,899 STUCK BACK EIGHT YEARS AGO. 558 00:22:42,899 --> 00:22:44,232 WHEN THEY WERE IN POWER, THEY 559 00:22:44,232 --> 00:22:45,400 WERE USED TO TERRORISTS BEING 560 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,802 EURO LEFTIES-- DRINK CHAMPAGNE 561 00:22:46,802 --> 00:22:48,103 BY NIGHT, BLOW THINGS UP DURING 562 00:22:48,103 --> 00:22:50,305 THE DAY-- AND IT WAS A VERY 563 00:22:50,305 --> 00:22:52,908 DIFFICULT SELL TO COMMUNICATE 564 00:22:52,908 --> 00:22:55,010 THE URGENCY TO THIS. 565 00:23:03,117 --> 00:23:05,419 FOR US, THE SYSTEM WAS 566 00:23:05,419 --> 00:23:06,887 BLINKING RED IN THE SENSE THAT 567 00:23:06,887 --> 00:23:07,721 WE THOUGHT WHAT WE WERE 568 00:23:07,721 --> 00:23:10,991 UNCOVERING WAS A TOP-DOWN PLOT, 569 00:23:10,991 --> 00:23:12,326 SOMETHING BEING ORDERED FROM 570 00:23:12,326 --> 00:23:14,395 AFGHANISTAN OUT. 571 00:23:14,395 --> 00:23:15,896 BUT IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR US 572 00:23:15,896 --> 00:23:19,300 TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS. 573 00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:20,533 Narrator: THE CRISIS COMES TO 574 00:23:20,533 --> 00:23:23,870 A HEAD ON JULY 10, 2001. 575 00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:25,004 RICHARD BLEE, THE HEAD OF THE 576 00:23:25,004 --> 00:23:26,940 BIN LADEN UNIT, BARGES INTO 577 00:23:26,940 --> 00:23:28,975 COFER BLACK'S OFFICE. 578 00:23:28,975 --> 00:23:30,310 HE COMES AND HE GOES, "OKAY, 579 00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:31,511 ROOF'S FALLEN IN." 580 00:23:31,511 --> 00:23:33,079 I SAID, "GREAT, WHAT'CHA GOT?" 581 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:34,614 THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD NOW 582 00:23:34,614 --> 00:23:35,648 COMPILED WAS ABSOLUTELY 583 00:23:35,648 --> 00:23:37,150 COMPELLING. 584 00:23:37,150 --> 00:23:38,884 IT WAS MULTIPLE-SOURCED, AND IT 585 00:23:38,884 --> 00:23:40,486 WAS... IT WAS SORT OF THE LAST 586 00:23:40,486 --> 00:23:41,587 STRAW. 587 00:23:41,587 --> 00:23:42,888 PICKED UP THE PHONE, CALLED THE 588 00:23:42,888 --> 00:23:44,022 SECRETARY, "HAVE TO SEE THE 589 00:23:44,022 --> 00:23:44,957 DIRECTOR, I'M COMING UP WITH 590 00:23:44,957 --> 00:23:45,724 RICH." 591 00:23:45,724 --> 00:23:47,292 SHE SAYS, "WELL, I'M SORRY, HE'S 592 00:23:47,292 --> 00:23:49,261 IN WITH THE HEAD OF SOME FOREIGN 593 00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:50,596 INTELLIGENCE SERVICE." 594 00:23:50,596 --> 00:23:52,698 I SAID, "WE'RE COMING UP. 595 00:23:52,698 --> 00:23:53,665 KICK THE GUY OUT. 596 00:23:53,665 --> 00:23:54,500 WE'RE COMING NOW. 597 00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:56,768 TELL HIM TO GET READY." 598 00:23:58,970 --> 00:24:00,505 GEORGE TENET IS A VERY SMART 599 00:24:00,505 --> 00:24:01,873 GUY. 600 00:24:01,873 --> 00:24:04,041 CHEWING ON HIS CIGAR, GOING BACK 601 00:24:04,041 --> 00:24:05,409 AND FORTH, JUMPING UP AND DOWN. 602 00:24:05,409 --> 00:24:06,811 HIS EYES ARE FLASHING. 603 00:24:06,811 --> 00:24:08,613 WISH I HAD A FILM OF IT. 604 00:24:08,613 --> 00:24:10,114 HE GOT IT, ALL RIGHT. 605 00:24:10,114 --> 00:24:11,782 IT'S NOT JUST RED LIGHTS. 606 00:24:11,782 --> 00:24:14,085 RED LIGHTS AND CHATTER IS A 607 00:24:14,085 --> 00:24:15,253 CONVENIENT WAY THIS IS 608 00:24:15,253 --> 00:24:15,986 PORTRAYED. 609 00:24:15,986 --> 00:24:17,354 THERE WERE REAL PLOTS BEING 610 00:24:17,354 --> 00:24:18,655 MANIFESTED. 611 00:24:18,655 --> 00:24:19,856 THE AMERICAN EMBASSY IN SANA'A 612 00:24:19,856 --> 00:24:21,024 IS GOING TO BE BOMBED, BRITISH 613 00:24:21,024 --> 00:24:22,392 AND AMERICAN SCHOOLS IN JEDDAH 614 00:24:22,392 --> 00:24:23,293 ARE GOING TO BE BOMBED. 615 00:24:23,293 --> 00:24:24,661 THE WORLD WAS ON THE EDGE OF 616 00:24:24,661 --> 00:24:27,797 ERUPTION. 617 00:24:29,132 --> 00:24:31,101 [PARENT EXPLOSION] 618 00:24:31,101 --> 00:24:32,702 NOW, WHAT HAPPENS THEN IN THIS 619 00:24:32,702 --> 00:24:34,770 PERIOD OF TIME IN JUNE AND JULY, 620 00:24:34,770 --> 00:24:37,806 THE THREAT CONTINUES TO RISE. 621 00:24:37,806 --> 00:24:39,642 PUBLIC PRONOUNCEMENTS BY PEOPLE 622 00:24:39,642 --> 00:24:41,477 IN AL QAEDA WAS, THERE WOULD BE 623 00:24:41,477 --> 00:24:43,479 EIGHT MAJOR CELEBRATIONS COMING. 624 00:24:43,479 --> 00:24:44,880 THE WORLD WAS GOING TO BE 625 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,848 STUNNED BY WHAT WOULD SOON 626 00:24:45,848 --> 00:24:47,049 HAPPEN. 627 00:24:47,049 --> 00:24:48,817 TERRORISTS WERE DISAPPEARING. 628 00:24:48,817 --> 00:24:50,419 CAMPS WERE CLOSING. 629 00:24:50,419 --> 00:24:52,321 THREAT REPORTING ON THE RISE. 630 00:24:52,321 --> 00:24:53,855 AND THIS STARTED BUILDING TO A 631 00:24:53,855 --> 00:24:54,923 CRESCENDO. 632 00:24:54,923 --> 00:24:56,357 WE DECIDED THE NEXT THING TO 633 00:24:56,357 --> 00:24:57,559 DO WAS PICK UP THE WHITE PHONE, 634 00:24:57,559 --> 00:24:58,726 CALL THE WHITE HOUSE, "WE'RE 635 00:24:58,726 --> 00:25:00,028 COMING DOWN RIGHT NOW." 636 00:25:00,028 --> 00:25:01,229 I SAID, "CONDI, I HAVE TO 637 00:25:01,229 --> 00:25:02,564 COME SEE YOU." 638 00:25:02,564 --> 00:25:03,898 IT WAS ONE OF THE RARE TIMES IN 639 00:25:03,898 --> 00:25:05,266 MY SEVEN YEARS AS DIRECTOR WHERE 640 00:25:05,266 --> 00:25:06,868 I SAID, "I HAVE TO COME SEE YOU. 641 00:25:06,868 --> 00:25:11,239 WE'RE COMING RIGHT NOW." 642 00:25:11,239 --> 00:25:12,472 Narrator: PRESENT AT THE JULY 643 00:25:12,472 --> 00:25:14,241 10 WHITE HOUSE MEETING ARE 644 00:25:14,241 --> 00:25:15,742 NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR 645 00:25:15,742 --> 00:25:17,644 CONDOLEEZZA RICE AND OTHER TOP 646 00:25:17,644 --> 00:25:19,346 OFFICIALS. 647 00:25:19,346 --> 00:25:21,448 SO RICH STARTED BY SAYING, 648 00:25:21,448 --> 00:25:22,649 "THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT 649 00:25:22,649 --> 00:25:23,984 TERRORIST ATTACKS AGAINST THE 650 00:25:23,984 --> 00:25:25,185 UNITED STATES IN THE COMING 651 00:25:25,185 --> 00:25:26,687 WEEKS OR MONTHS. 652 00:25:26,687 --> 00:25:28,689 THE ATTACKS WILL BE SPECTACULAR. 653 00:25:28,689 --> 00:25:30,189 THEY MAY BE MULTIPLE. 654 00:25:30,189 --> 00:25:31,457 AL QAEDA'S INTENTION IS THE 655 00:25:31,457 --> 00:25:32,692 DESTRUCTION OF THE UNITED 656 00:25:32,692 --> 00:25:35,027 STATES." 657 00:25:35,027 --> 00:25:36,362 AND I SAID, "THIS COUNTRY'S 658 00:25:36,362 --> 00:25:39,131 GOT TO GO A WAR FOOTING NOW." 659 00:25:39,131 --> 00:25:42,535 I SLAMMED MY HAND ON THE TABLE. 660 00:25:42,535 --> 00:25:44,804 AFTER IT WAS OVER, RICH BLEE AND 661 00:25:44,804 --> 00:25:46,839 I SORT OF CONGRATULATED EACH 662 00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:49,507 OTHER IN THE SENSE THAT, "I 663 00:25:49,507 --> 00:25:50,675 THINK WE FINALLY GOT THROUGH TO 664 00:25:50,675 --> 00:25:52,377 THESE PEOPLE. 665 00:25:52,377 --> 00:25:54,145 WE HAVE EXECUTED OUR 666 00:25:54,145 --> 00:25:54,879 RESPONSIBILITIES." 667 00:25:54,879 --> 00:25:56,514 WHAT HAPPENED? 668 00:25:56,514 --> 00:25:57,349 YEAH. 669 00:25:57,349 --> 00:25:59,184 WHAT DID HAPPEN? 670 00:25:59,184 --> 00:26:00,051 YEAH. 671 00:26:00,051 --> 00:26:01,086 WHAT HAPPENED? 672 00:26:01,086 --> 00:26:02,187 ESSENTIALLY, NOTHING 673 00:26:02,187 --> 00:26:03,922 HAPPENED? 674 00:26:03,922 --> 00:26:05,991 YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. 675 00:26:05,991 --> 00:26:07,124 Narrator: CONDOLEEZZA RICE 676 00:26:07,124 --> 00:26:08,459 WOULD LATER WRITE THAT HER 677 00:26:08,459 --> 00:26:10,227 MEMORY OF THE MEETING WAS "NOT 678 00:26:10,227 --> 00:26:12,262 VERY CRISP BECAUSE WE WERE 679 00:26:12,262 --> 00:26:13,664 DISCUSSING THE THREAT EVERY 680 00:26:13,664 --> 00:26:14,932 DAY." 681 00:26:14,932 --> 00:26:16,200 HAVING RAISED THE ALERT LEVELS 682 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,968 FOR U.S. PERSONNEL ABROAD, SHE 683 00:26:17,968 --> 00:26:19,903 ADDED, "I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING 684 00:26:19,903 --> 00:26:23,841 WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE." 685 00:26:31,914 --> 00:26:36,419 IF ON THE 10th OF SEPTEMBER 686 00:26:36,419 --> 00:26:37,920 WE'D BEEN ABLE TO WALK INTO THE 687 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,322 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 688 00:26:39,322 --> 00:26:41,924 AND SAY, "WE THINK U.S. 689 00:26:41,924 --> 00:26:43,259 AIRLINERS ARE GOING TO BE 690 00:26:43,259 --> 00:26:44,960 HIJACKED TOMORROW," JUST THINK 691 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,195 ABOUT IT. 692 00:26:47,195 --> 00:26:47,929 IF WE HAD BEEN ABLE TO GIVE HIM 693 00:26:47,929 --> 00:26:51,333 THAT VERY SPECIFIC PIECE, AS THE 694 00:26:51,333 --> 00:26:53,735 PRESIDENT, HE MAY VERY WELL HAVE 695 00:26:53,735 --> 00:26:55,570 HELD ALL THE AIRLINERS FROM 696 00:26:55,570 --> 00:26:59,775 FLYING, UNTIL WHEN? 697 00:27:07,882 --> 00:27:15,756 WE MIGHT HAVE STOPPED 9/11 FROM 698 00:27:15,756 --> 00:27:19,126 HAPPENING ON 9/11, BUT I THINK 699 00:27:19,126 --> 00:27:20,327 IT WOULD'VE HAPPENED ON THE 10th 700 00:27:20,327 --> 00:27:21,928 OF OCTOBER OR THE 12th OF 701 00:27:21,928 --> 00:27:24,297 NOVEMBER. 702 00:27:24,297 --> 00:27:25,932 IF YOU DON'T PUT A SYSTEM OF 703 00:27:25,932 --> 00:27:28,001 DEFENSE IN PLACE, IF YOU DON'T 704 00:27:28,001 --> 00:27:29,869 BUTTON UP YOUR AIRPORTS, BUTTON 705 00:27:29,869 --> 00:27:31,571 UP YOUR BUILDINGS, CHANGE YOUR 706 00:27:31,571 --> 00:27:33,239 VISA POLICIES, HAVE SOME 707 00:27:33,239 --> 00:27:34,607 KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON 708 00:27:34,607 --> 00:27:36,609 IN THE UNITED STATES, CREATE A 709 00:27:36,609 --> 00:27:38,044 MECHANISM WHERE THERE'S A... 710 00:27:38,044 --> 00:27:40,212 WHERE THERE'S A QUICK SWIVEL 711 00:27:40,212 --> 00:27:42,314 BETWEEN FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, 712 00:27:42,314 --> 00:27:45,918 YOU'RE GOING TO GET HURT. 713 00:27:50,155 --> 00:27:51,490 YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY DOES 714 00:27:51,490 --> 00:27:53,392 PISS ME OFF? 715 00:27:53,392 --> 00:27:54,927 WHEN PEOPLE CALL THIS AN 716 00:27:54,927 --> 00:27:56,829 INTELLIGENCE FAILURE. 717 00:27:56,829 --> 00:27:58,830 WE KNEW THIS WAS COMING, 718 00:27:58,830 --> 00:27:59,931 AMERICAN INTERESTS ARE GOING TO 719 00:27:59,931 --> 00:28:01,299 BE ATTACKED, AND IT COULD VERY 720 00:28:01,299 --> 00:28:03,334 WELL BE IN THE UNITED STATES. 721 00:28:03,334 --> 00:28:07,305 IT'S SERIOUS, IT'S COMING. 722 00:28:07,305 --> 00:28:08,773 SOMETIMES WHEN I DRIVE MY CAR I 723 00:28:08,773 --> 00:28:10,475 THINK ABOUT IT, AND TO ME IT 724 00:28:10,475 --> 00:28:12,677 REMAINS INCOMPREHENSIBLE STILL. 725 00:28:12,677 --> 00:28:15,646 I MEAN, HOW IS IT THAT YOU COULD 726 00:28:15,646 --> 00:28:19,783 WARN SENIOR PEOPLE SO MANY TIMES 727 00:28:19,783 --> 00:28:22,419 AND NOTHING ACTUALLY HAPPENED? 728 00:28:22,419 --> 00:28:24,588 IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE "TWILIGHT 729 00:28:24,588 --> 00:28:25,689 ZONE." 730 00:28:25,689 --> 00:28:26,857 YOU ALMOST SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE 731 00:28:26,857 --> 00:28:29,359 YOU WANT TO PINCH YOURSELF. 732 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,194 AT THE END OF JULY, WE WERE 733 00:28:31,194 --> 00:28:33,196 SITTING IN MY CONFERENCE ROOM 734 00:28:33,196 --> 00:28:34,631 JUST THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THIS 735 00:28:34,631 --> 00:28:37,233 AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW 736 00:28:37,233 --> 00:28:41,203 THIS ATTACK MIGHT OCCUR, AND 737 00:28:41,203 --> 00:28:42,638 I'LL NEVER FORGET THIS TILL THE 738 00:28:42,638 --> 00:28:44,473 DAY I DIE. 739 00:28:44,473 --> 00:28:46,442 RICH BLEE LOOKED AT EVERYBODY 740 00:28:46,442 --> 00:28:49,912 AND SAID, "THEY'RE COMING HERE." 741 00:28:49,912 --> 00:28:51,981 AND THE SILENCE THAT FOLLOWED 742 00:28:51,981 --> 00:28:52,715 WAS DEAFENING. 743 00:28:52,715 --> 00:28:55,650 YOU COULD HEAR A PIN DROP. 744 00:28:58,620 --> 00:29:01,256 "THEY'RE COMING HERE." 745 00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:17,371 THE HEAD OF MY SECURITY 746 00:29:36,255 --> 00:29:38,825 DETAIL CAME OVER TO ME TO SAY A 747 00:29:38,825 --> 00:29:40,359 PLANE HAD HIT ONE OF THE TOWERS 748 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:42,562 OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. 749 00:29:42,562 --> 00:29:44,263 MY INSTINCTUAL REACTION WAS, 750 00:29:44,263 --> 00:29:44,897 "THIS IS AL QAEDA. 751 00:29:44,897 --> 00:29:46,732 I'VE GOT TO GO." 752 00:29:46,732 --> 00:29:48,334 THERE ARE FIRE CREWS JUST 753 00:29:48,334 --> 00:29:49,968 STREAMING INTO THIS AREA FROM 754 00:29:49,968 --> 00:29:54,706 EVERY CONCEIVABLE DIRECTION. 755 00:29:54,706 --> 00:29:56,041 AND WE ALL LOOKED AROUND AND 756 00:29:56,041 --> 00:29:58,043 WE THOUGHT, "OH, MY GOODNESS. 757 00:29:58,043 --> 00:30:00,478 TRAGIC ACCIDENT." 758 00:30:00,478 --> 00:30:01,913 AND PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT 759 00:30:01,913 --> 00:30:03,348 A PRIVATE AIRCRAFT HAD FLOWN 760 00:30:03,348 --> 00:30:06,451 INTO... INTO THE TOWER. 761 00:30:06,451 --> 00:30:07,385 I THOUGHT, "GEEZ, THIS MUST 762 00:30:07,385 --> 00:30:10,154 BE THE WORLD'S WORST PILOT." 763 00:30:10,154 --> 00:30:11,522 I JUMPED IN THE CAR. 764 00:30:11,522 --> 00:30:12,356 IT WAS THE WORLD'S LONGEST 765 00:30:12,356 --> 00:30:13,190 CAR RIDE. 766 00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:14,225 IT TOOK 12 MINUTES, BUT THE 767 00:30:14,225 --> 00:30:17,127 PHONES WEREN'T WORKING. 768 00:30:18,996 --> 00:30:21,398 LOOKING UP AT THE TV, IN REAL 769 00:30:21,398 --> 00:30:24,001 TIME WE SAW THE SECOND PLANE HIT 770 00:30:24,001 --> 00:30:27,136 THE OTHER TOWER. 771 00:30:30,373 --> 00:30:32,709 WE KNEW, WE ALL KNEW, "WE'RE 772 00:30:32,709 --> 00:30:35,845 UNDER ATTACK." 773 00:30:35,845 --> 00:30:36,946 HOLY SHIT, THE FIRST ONE WE 774 00:30:36,946 --> 00:30:38,047 THOUGHT WAS AN ACCIDENT. 775 00:30:38,047 --> 00:30:39,148 WHEN WE HEARD THERE WAS A SECOND 776 00:30:39,148 --> 00:30:40,149 ONE, WE DEFINITELY THOUGHT IT 777 00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:41,384 WAS TERRORISM. 778 00:30:41,384 --> 00:30:42,252 AND I HEARD A ROAR, AND I 779 00:30:42,252 --> 00:30:43,286 LOOKED UP AND SAW THE SECOND 780 00:30:43,286 --> 00:30:44,220 PLANE HIT. 781 00:30:44,220 --> 00:30:45,687 PEOPLE WERE CRYING, HOLDING 782 00:30:45,687 --> 00:30:48,523 ON TO EACH OTHER. 783 00:30:56,598 --> 00:30:59,334 STAY CALM. 784 00:30:59,334 --> 00:31:00,669 STAY CALM, STAY CALM. 785 00:31:00,669 --> 00:31:01,503 PLEASE, GOD. 786 00:31:01,503 --> 00:31:02,537 YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB. 787 00:31:02,537 --> 00:31:03,639 AND SOMEBODY SAID, "MY GOD, 788 00:31:03,639 --> 00:31:04,672 THEY HIT THE PENTAGON, THEY HIT 789 00:31:04,672 --> 00:31:05,873 THE PENTAGON." 790 00:31:05,873 --> 00:31:06,807 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LET'S 791 00:31:06,807 --> 00:31:07,875 KEEP MOVE... AWAY FROM THE 792 00:31:07,875 --> 00:31:09,677 BUILDING. 793 00:31:09,677 --> 00:31:10,645 LET'S GET AWAY FROM THE 794 00:31:10,645 --> 00:31:13,381 BUILDING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 795 00:31:16,651 --> 00:31:18,519 SO DIRECTOR TENET SAID, "OKAY 796 00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:19,820 WE HAVE TO EVACUATE 797 00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:22,355 HEADQUARTERS." 798 00:31:22,355 --> 00:31:24,824 EVERYBODY OUT, EVERYBODY OUT. 799 00:31:24,824 --> 00:31:28,261 IF THEY STAY, THEY COULD DIE. 800 00:31:28,261 --> 00:31:30,430 I SAID, "WE'RE NEEDED. 801 00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:31,598 THAT'S WHERE OUR COMPUTERS ARE. 802 00:31:31,598 --> 00:31:33,099 WE NEED TO RESPOND. 803 00:31:33,099 --> 00:31:34,234 IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE'LL 804 00:31:34,234 --> 00:31:37,337 JUST HAVE TO DIE." 805 00:31:37,337 --> 00:31:38,805 Narrator: THAT DAY, MICHAEL 806 00:31:38,805 --> 00:31:40,806 MORELL, THE PRESIDENT'S BRIEFER, 807 00:31:40,806 --> 00:31:42,274 IS WITH GEORGE W. BUSH IN 808 00:31:42,274 --> 00:31:43,943 FLORIDA. 809 00:31:43,943 --> 00:31:46,445 IT WAS OUR JOB TO PREVENT AN 810 00:31:46,445 --> 00:31:48,614 ATTACK, AND WE DIDN'T DO IT. 811 00:31:48,614 --> 00:31:52,685 ON OUR WATCH, THIS HAPPENED. 812 00:31:52,685 --> 00:31:54,353 WE WENT BACK TO "AIR FORCE ONE." 813 00:31:54,353 --> 00:31:57,122 THERE WAS A RING OF SECRET 814 00:31:57,122 --> 00:31:58,090 SERVICE AGENTS AROUND "AIR FORCE 815 00:31:58,090 --> 00:32:03,094 ONE" WITH AUTOMATIC WEAPONS. 816 00:32:03,094 --> 00:32:04,195 WE TOOK OFF. 817 00:32:04,195 --> 00:32:06,197 WE WENT UP AT A VERY STEEP 818 00:32:06,197 --> 00:32:09,100 ASCENT. 819 00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:10,368 AND I REMEMBER SAYING TO THE 820 00:32:10,368 --> 00:32:12,370 PRESIDENT'S MILITARY AIDE, 821 00:32:12,370 --> 00:32:13,471 "WHERE ARE WE GOING?" 822 00:32:13,471 --> 00:32:14,672 HE SAID, "WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE 823 00:32:14,672 --> 00:32:15,940 FLYING AROUND FOR A BIT UNTIL WE 824 00:32:15,940 --> 00:32:18,742 FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON." 825 00:32:18,742 --> 00:32:20,243 WE WERE WATCHING TELEVISION 826 00:32:20,243 --> 00:32:22,612 IMAGES FROM NEW YORK, AND IT WAS 827 00:32:22,612 --> 00:32:24,815 IN THERE THAT WE SAW THE TWO 828 00:32:24,815 --> 00:32:28,051 TOWERS COLLAPSE. 829 00:32:28,051 --> 00:32:28,618 WAIT A SECOND. 830 00:32:28,618 --> 00:32:29,820 IS THIS A LIVE PICTURE? 831 00:32:29,820 --> 00:32:30,854 THIS IS A LIVE PICTURE. 832 00:32:30,854 --> 00:32:33,156 WE'RE SEEING THE SECOND WORLD 833 00:32:33,156 --> 00:32:34,858 TRADE TOWER CENTER. 834 00:32:34,858 --> 00:32:36,426 THE SECOND WORLD TRADE CENTER 835 00:32:36,426 --> 00:32:39,495 HAS JUST COLLAPSED -- 836 00:32:45,434 --> 00:32:48,104 TODAY, OUR FELLOW CITIZENS, 837 00:32:48,104 --> 00:32:50,406 WAY OF LIFE, OUR VERY FREEDOM 838 00:32:50,406 --> 00:32:53,075 CAME UNDER ATTACK IN A SERIES OF 839 00:32:53,075 --> 00:32:55,343 DELIBERATE AND DEADLY TERRORIST 840 00:32:55,343 --> 00:32:56,711 ACTS. 841 00:32:56,711 --> 00:32:59,414 THE VICTIMS WERE IN AIRPLANES-- 842 00:32:59,447 --> 00:33:00,915 THE CITY I GREW UP IN HAD BEEN 843 00:33:00,915 --> 00:33:02,083 BLOWN UP. 844 00:33:02,117 --> 00:33:03,451 SECRETARIES, BUSINESSMEN AND 845 00:33:03,451 --> 00:33:05,053 WOMEN, MILITARY AND FEDERAL,-- 846 00:33:08,423 --> 00:33:09,290 NEIGHBORS. 847 00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:20,267 NOBODY COMES TO OUR TOWN AND 848 00:33:20,267 --> 00:33:24,204 MESSES WITH OUR PEOPLE. 849 00:33:24,204 --> 00:33:25,572 IN HIS OFFICE ON "AIR FORCE 850 00:33:25,572 --> 00:33:28,075 ONE," THE PRESIDENT SAID TO ME, 851 00:33:28,075 --> 00:33:32,612 "MICHAEL, WHO DID THIS?" 852 00:33:32,612 --> 00:33:34,514 AND I SAID, "MR. PRESIDENT, BOTH 853 00:33:34,514 --> 00:33:36,983 IRAN AND IRAQ HAVE ABSOLUTELY 854 00:33:36,983 --> 00:33:38,751 NOTHING TO GAIN AND HAVE 855 00:33:38,751 --> 00:33:40,286 EVERYTHING TO LOSE FROM DOING 856 00:33:40,286 --> 00:33:43,990 THIS. 857 00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:47,226 I WOULD BET MY CHILDREN'S FUTURE 858 00:33:47,226 --> 00:33:49,695 THAT THIS IS AL QAEDA. 859 00:33:49,695 --> 00:33:53,031 THIS IS BIN LADEN." 860 00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:54,166 AND CERTAINLY, LOOKING AT THE 861 00:33:54,166 --> 00:33:55,667 FLIGHT MANIFESTS, THAT 862 00:33:55,667 --> 00:33:57,102 CORROBORATED THE FACT THAT IT 863 00:33:57,102 --> 00:33:59,237 HAD BEEN AL QAEDA. 864 00:33:59,237 --> 00:34:00,372 Narrator: IT TAKES ONLY 865 00:34:00,372 --> 00:34:01,973 MOMENTS TO DISCOVER WHAT HAS 866 00:34:01,973 --> 00:34:03,909 BEEN YEARS IN THE MAKING. 867 00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:05,410 THERE, IN BLACK AND WHITE, ON 868 00:34:05,410 --> 00:34:06,812 THE PASSENGER MANIFEST OF THE 869 00:34:06,812 --> 00:34:08,747 PLANE THAT HIT THE PENTAGON ARE 870 00:34:08,747 --> 00:34:10,881 KNOWN AL QAEDA TERRORISTS-- 871 00:34:10,881 --> 00:34:13,651 NAWAF AL HAZMI AND KHALID AL 872 00:34:13,651 --> 00:34:15,186 MIDHAR. 873 00:34:15,186 --> 00:34:16,720 TWO OF THE HIJACKERS ON BOARD 874 00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:18,222 THE AIRLINER WHICH ATTACKED THE 875 00:34:18,222 --> 00:34:19,690 PENTAGON HAD BEEN IDENTIFIED 876 00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:21,192 MORE THAN A YEAR AND A HALF 877 00:34:21,192 --> 00:34:23,928 BEFORE AS SUSPECTED TERRORISTS, 878 00:34:23,928 --> 00:34:25,629 YET NOTHING WAS DONE TO STOP 879 00:34:25,629 --> 00:34:27,964 AL-HAZMI AND AL-MIDHAR FROM 880 00:34:27,964 --> 00:34:29,799 ENTERING THE U.S, AND NO 881 00:34:29,799 --> 00:34:31,201 ATTEMPT WAS MADE TO FIND THEM 882 00:34:31,201 --> 00:34:32,902 UNTIL JUST THREE WEEKS BEFORE 883 00:34:32,902 --> 00:34:35,338 SEPTEMBER 11. 884 00:34:35,338 --> 00:34:37,107 WHY DIDN'T THE C.I.A., WHY 885 00:34:37,107 --> 00:34:38,274 DIDN'T SOMEBODY PICK UP THE 886 00:34:38,274 --> 00:34:40,076 PHONE TO THE F.B.I. AND SAY, 887 00:34:40,076 --> 00:34:42,979 "HEY, THESE TWO GUYS ARE HERE?" 888 00:34:42,979 --> 00:34:44,614 AT ROOT HERE IS, WE DIDN'T 889 00:34:44,614 --> 00:34:46,949 HAVE THE SEAMLESS INTERACTION. 890 00:34:46,949 --> 00:34:48,450 WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO 891 00:34:48,450 --> 00:34:49,818 FUSE THINGS QUICKLY. 892 00:34:49,818 --> 00:34:51,687 OUR POLICIES WERE OUT OF DATE. 893 00:34:51,687 --> 00:34:53,021 THE INFORMATION THAT THE 894 00:34:53,021 --> 00:34:54,857 C.I.A. HAD ABOUT THE TWO 895 00:34:54,857 --> 00:34:56,258 HIJACKERS IN THE UNITED STATES 896 00:34:56,258 --> 00:34:57,659 SHOULD HAVE BEEN ROUTINELY 897 00:34:57,659 --> 00:34:58,894 SHARED WITH THE F.B.I., AND IT 898 00:34:58,894 --> 00:35:00,829 WASN'T. 899 00:35:00,829 --> 00:35:01,730 Narrator: TWO GOVERNMENT 900 00:35:01,730 --> 00:35:03,832 AGENCIES CHARGED WITH PROTECTING 901 00:35:03,832 --> 00:35:06,601 THE UNITED STATES WERE BARELY 902 00:35:06,601 --> 00:35:07,902 COMMUNICATING. 903 00:35:07,902 --> 00:35:08,836 INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS 904 00:35:08,836 --> 00:35:10,671 ACKNOWLEDGE BOTH THE C.I.A. AND 905 00:35:10,671 --> 00:35:13,040 F.B.I. FAILED TO FOLLOW UP ON 906 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,575 LEADS THAT COULD HAVE POINTED 907 00:35:14,575 --> 00:35:16,277 THEM IN THE DIRECTION OF THE 908 00:35:16,277 --> 00:35:17,979 9/11 HIJACKERS. 909 00:35:17,979 --> 00:35:20,148 IN ESSENCE, AL QAEDA BEING A 910 00:35:20,148 --> 00:35:22,583 SMART INTELLIGENCE ORGANIZATION, 911 00:35:22,583 --> 00:35:24,918 LOOKED AT OUR BANKING POLICIES, 912 00:35:24,918 --> 00:35:27,320 OUR BORDER POLICIES, OUR AIRLINE 913 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,722 PROTECTION POLICIES, OUR 914 00:35:28,722 --> 00:35:30,490 INFRASTRUCTURE POLICIES AND CAME 915 00:35:30,490 --> 00:35:32,259 TO A CONCLUSION THAT THE COUNTRY 916 00:35:32,259 --> 00:35:38,632 WAS ABSOLUTELY UNPROTECTED. 917 00:35:38,632 --> 00:35:39,933 I THINK THERE'S HUGE FAILURES 918 00:35:39,933 --> 00:35:41,401 AT THE C.I.A. AND THE F.B.I. 919 00:35:41,401 --> 00:35:42,968 THE C.I.A. MISSED THE CHANCE 920 00:35:42,968 --> 00:35:44,470 TO NAB TWO SUSPECTS AFTER THEY 921 00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:45,604 ENTERED THE UNITED STATES. 922 00:35:45,604 --> 00:35:46,872 OUR GOVERNMENT FAILED TO 923 00:35:46,872 --> 00:35:51,043 PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. 924 00:35:55,481 --> 00:35:56,882 AN ELECTED OFFICIAL CAME UP 925 00:35:56,882 --> 00:35:59,051 TO ME AND SAID, "SO, COFER, HOW 926 00:35:59,051 --> 00:36:00,485 DOES IT FEEL TO BE RESPONSIBLE 927 00:36:00,485 --> 00:36:02,320 FOR THE LARGEST INTELLIGENCE 928 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,390 FAILURE SINCE PEARL HARBOR?" 929 00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:08,092 THIS WAS A FAILURE OF POLICY, 930 00:36:08,092 --> 00:36:11,229 MANAGEMENT, CAPABILITY, AND, 931 00:36:11,229 --> 00:36:13,298 ABOVE ALL, A FAILURE OF 932 00:36:13,298 --> 00:36:14,933 IMAGINATION. 933 00:36:14,933 --> 00:36:16,734 NONE OF THE MEASURES ADOPTED BY 934 00:36:16,734 --> 00:36:17,835 THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT 935 00:36:17,835 --> 00:36:20,804 BEFORE 9/11 DISTURBED OR EVEN 936 00:36:20,804 --> 00:36:23,106 DELAYED THE PROGRESS OF THE AL 937 00:36:23,106 --> 00:36:26,343 QAEDA PLOT. 938 00:36:29,780 --> 00:36:32,549 ABOVE ALL ELSE, 9/11 WAS A 939 00:36:32,549 --> 00:36:34,284 FAILURE OF OUR IMAGINATION. 940 00:36:34,284 --> 00:36:35,752 WE ALL KNEW SOMETHING WAS GOING 941 00:36:35,752 --> 00:36:37,720 TO HAPPEN; WE JUST FOUND IT 942 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,423 VERY, VERY HARD TO CONCEIVE THAT 943 00:36:40,423 --> 00:36:42,925 WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT DAY WAS 944 00:36:42,925 --> 00:36:45,895 GOING TO HAPPEN. 945 00:36:45,895 --> 00:36:47,330 I'VE NEVER LIKED THIS 946 00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:48,831 "FAILURE OF IMAGINATION" THING. 947 00:36:48,831 --> 00:36:51,000 I THINK 9/11 IS A NATIONAL 948 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,068 FAILURE. 949 00:36:52,068 --> 00:36:54,170 IT ACTUALLY TOOK 9/11 FOR THE 950 00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:55,738 AMERICAN PEOPLE TO GET TO THE 951 00:36:55,738 --> 00:36:57,806 POINT WHERE THEY WOULD AGREE 952 00:36:57,806 --> 00:36:59,174 WITH ALL THE DEFENSIVE MEASURES 953 00:36:59,174 --> 00:37:03,478 THAT NEEDED TO BE PUT IN PLACE. 954 00:37:07,616 --> 00:37:09,584 THERE WAS NEVER A MOMENT IN 955 00:37:09,584 --> 00:37:11,820 ALL OF THIS TIME WHEN YOU BLAMED 956 00:37:11,820 --> 00:37:16,557 YOURSELF? 957 00:37:16,557 --> 00:37:20,494 WELL, LOOK, THERE... I'M... I 958 00:37:20,494 --> 00:37:21,829 STILL LOOK AT THE CEILING AT 959 00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:23,430 NIGHT ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS-- 960 00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:24,765 AND I'LL KEEP THEM TO MYSELF 961 00:37:24,765 --> 00:37:29,303 FOREVER-- BUT WE'RE ALL HUMAN 962 00:37:29,303 --> 00:37:33,606 BEINGS. 963 00:37:36,943 --> 00:37:39,145 I DO REMEMBER THE WHOLE 964 00:37:39,145 --> 00:37:43,283 EMOTIONAL IMPACT OF 9/11 STRUCK 965 00:37:43,283 --> 00:37:47,287 ME VERY HARD AS I SAT ON MY 966 00:37:47,287 --> 00:37:48,988 FRONT LAWN AFTER THANKSGIVING 967 00:37:48,988 --> 00:37:52,090 ONE DAY. 968 00:37:52,090 --> 00:37:53,525 THE HORROR OF WHAT HAPPENED HIT 969 00:37:53,525 --> 00:37:54,459 ME. 970 00:37:54,459 --> 00:37:57,229 THERE WAS NO TIME BETWEEN 9/11 971 00:37:57,229 --> 00:37:58,897 AND THAT MOMENT. 972 00:37:58,897 --> 00:38:01,700 I JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANY TIME. 973 00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:03,502 Narrator: NO TIME, BECAUSE 974 00:38:03,502 --> 00:38:04,903 THE C.I.A. WOULD NOW BE CALLED 975 00:38:04,903 --> 00:38:06,571 UPON TO PUT ITS WAR PLAN AGAINST 976 00:38:06,571 --> 00:38:09,308 AL QAEDA INTO ACTION, THAT 977 00:38:09,308 --> 00:38:11,742 AUDACIOUS "BLUE SKY" MEMO THAT 978 00:38:11,742 --> 00:38:15,813 HAD BEEN IGNORED BEFORE 9/11. 979 00:38:15,813 --> 00:38:17,448 ON SEPTEMBER THE 15th, WE 980 00:38:17,448 --> 00:38:19,483 ESSENTIALLY OUTLINE OUR PLAN-- 981 00:38:19,483 --> 00:38:21,419 SEAL THE BORDERS OF AFGHANISTAN, 982 00:38:21,419 --> 00:38:22,820 GO AFTER THEIR LEADERSHIP, SHUT 983 00:38:22,820 --> 00:38:24,121 OFF THEIR MONEY, DESTROY AL 984 00:38:24,121 --> 00:38:25,189 QAEDA. 985 00:38:25,189 --> 00:38:27,792 WE'RE SAYING, "TAKE OUR PLAN. 986 00:38:27,792 --> 00:38:29,793 LET US GO FIRST." 987 00:38:29,793 --> 00:38:32,262 AND I SAID, "MR. PRESIDENT, WHEN 988 00:38:32,262 --> 00:38:35,198 WE'RE DONE, THESE GUYS ARE GOING 989 00:38:35,198 --> 00:38:36,466 TO HAVE FLIES WALKING ACROSS 990 00:38:36,466 --> 00:38:38,201 THEIR EYEBALLS." 991 00:38:38,201 --> 00:38:39,402 AND I COULD SEE THE PRESIDENT 992 00:38:39,402 --> 00:38:40,537 WAS THINKING, "WAIT, FLIES ON 993 00:38:40,537 --> 00:38:41,905 EYEBALLS..." 994 00:38:41,905 --> 00:38:43,173 THEN HE GOT IT. 995 00:38:43,173 --> 00:38:44,641 AND HE SAYS, "WE'LL USE THE 996 00:38:44,641 --> 00:38:45,975 C.I.A. PLAN. 997 00:38:45,975 --> 00:38:47,509 C.I.A. WILL BE FIRST BOOTS ON 998 00:38:47,509 --> 00:38:49,511 THE GROUND." 999 00:38:49,511 --> 00:38:51,013 Narrator: 110 C.I.A. OFFICERS 1000 00:38:51,013 --> 00:38:53,082 AND 300 SPECIAL FORCES SWEEP 1001 00:38:53,082 --> 00:38:55,584 INTO THE TRIBAL AREAS... 1002 00:38:55,584 --> 00:38:57,986 NINER FOUR FIVE OVER. 1003 00:38:57,986 --> 00:38:59,421 COPY THAT. 1004 00:38:59,421 --> 00:39:00,622 Narrator: ...WHERE THEY WILL 1005 00:39:00,622 --> 00:39:01,857 JOIN WITH WARRIORS OF THE 1006 00:39:01,857 --> 00:39:06,060 NORTHERN ALLIANCE AND UPROOT THE 1007 00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:08,062 TALIBAN AND AL QAEDA FROM THEIR 1008 00:39:08,062 --> 00:39:10,965 SAFE HOLD IN AFGHANISTAN. 1009 00:39:10,965 --> 00:39:12,300 (UNINTELLIGIBLE 1010 00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:15,303 COMMUNICATION) 1011 00:39:15,303 --> 00:39:16,270 Narrator: THE C.I.A.'S 1012 00:39:16,270 --> 00:39:18,539 MESSAGE: IF YOU ARE WITH US, 1013 00:39:18,539 --> 00:39:20,908 YOU'LL BE REWARDED... 1014 00:39:20,908 --> 00:39:22,410 OUR OFFICERS OFTEN SLEPT ON 1015 00:39:22,410 --> 00:39:23,511 MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF CASH AT 1016 00:39:23,511 --> 00:39:25,712 NIGHT. 1017 00:39:25,712 --> 00:39:26,947 Narrator: ...BUT IF YOU ARE 1018 00:39:26,947 --> 00:39:30,951 AGAINST US... 1019 00:39:30,951 --> 00:39:32,018 YOU WERE MORE THAN LIKELY TO 1020 00:39:32,018 --> 00:39:34,020 GET A 2,000-POUND BOMB DOWN YOUR 1021 00:39:34,020 --> 00:39:35,422 THROAT. 1022 00:39:35,422 --> 00:39:36,723 THERE WAS NEVER A GENERAL ON THE 1023 00:39:36,723 --> 00:39:38,258 GROUND. 1024 00:39:38,258 --> 00:39:39,059 THERE WAS NEVER A COMMAND 1025 00:39:39,059 --> 00:39:40,694 STRUCTURE ON THE GROUND. 1026 00:39:40,694 --> 00:39:41,795 THIS WAS A REAL 1027 00:39:41,795 --> 00:39:43,129 COUNTERINSURGENCY. 1028 00:39:43,129 --> 00:39:44,697 [GUNSHOTS] 1029 00:39:44,697 --> 00:39:46,365 WE'VE GOT THE AIRPLANE ON 1030 00:39:46,365 --> 00:39:47,466 THAT TARGET FIRST. 1031 00:39:47,466 --> 00:39:50,369 OVER. 1032 00:39:50,369 --> 00:39:52,004 WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY TALIBAN 1033 00:39:52,004 --> 00:39:53,072 AT THIS TIME. 1034 00:39:53,072 --> 00:39:54,273 OVER. 1035 00:39:54,273 --> 00:39:55,808 IN ABOUT NINE WEEKS, ALL 1036 00:39:55,808 --> 00:39:57,309 CITIES CONTROLLED BY THE TALIBAN 1037 00:39:57,309 --> 00:40:00,613 HAD BEEN OVERTHROWN. 1038 00:40:00,613 --> 00:40:02,247 ALL AL QAEDA IN AFGHANISTAN HAD 1039 00:40:02,247 --> 00:40:04,949 EITHER BEEN KILLED, CAPTURED, 1040 00:40:04,949 --> 00:40:06,217 WERE RUNNING FOR THE BORDER, OR 1041 00:40:06,217 --> 00:40:09,754 CROSSED THE BORDER. 1042 00:40:09,754 --> 00:40:10,955 Narrator: BIN LADEN'S 1043 00:40:10,955 --> 00:40:12,323 SANCTUARY, TORA BORA, IS BLOWN 1044 00:40:12,323 --> 00:40:14,993 TO PIECES, BUT THE C.I.A.'S 1045 00:40:14,993 --> 00:40:17,662 LIGHTNING VICTORY IS FLEETING 1046 00:40:17,662 --> 00:40:18,930 BECAUSE THE TERRORIST LEADER 1047 00:40:18,930 --> 00:40:22,032 CROSSES THE BORDER INTO PAKISTAN 1048 00:40:22,032 --> 00:40:24,701 AND DISAPPEARS. 1049 00:40:24,701 --> 00:40:26,804 I'M NOT SURE I EVER SAW THE 1050 00:40:26,804 --> 00:40:28,305 PRESIDENT GET MAD EXCEPT THIS 1051 00:40:28,305 --> 00:40:30,874 ONE OCCASION, AND HE WAS 1052 00:40:30,874 --> 00:40:32,743 FURIOUS. 1053 00:40:32,743 --> 00:40:33,977 Narrator: AND NOW THE 1054 00:40:33,977 --> 00:40:35,779 AGENCY'S FINEST HOUR IS ABOUT TO 1055 00:40:35,779 --> 00:40:37,080 BE FOLLOWED BY ONE OF ITS 1056 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,416 DARKEST CHAPTERS, BECAUSE THE 1057 00:40:40,416 --> 00:40:41,851 WHITE HOUSE IS EYEING ANOTHER 1058 00:40:41,851 --> 00:40:46,956 TARGET: IRAQ. 1059 00:40:46,956 --> 00:40:49,459 THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT SADDAM 1060 00:40:49,459 --> 00:40:51,828 HUSSEIN NOW HAS WEAPONS OF MASS 1061 00:40:51,828 --> 00:40:53,463 DESTRUCTION, AND HE HAD 1062 00:40:53,463 --> 00:40:54,697 ESTABLISHED RELATIONSHIP WITH AL 1063 00:40:54,697 --> 00:40:56,065 QAEDA. 1064 00:40:56,065 --> 00:40:57,566 THERE WAS A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN 1065 00:40:57,566 --> 00:40:59,601 AL QAEDA AND IRAQ THAT STRETCHED 1066 00:40:59,601 --> 00:41:02,370 BACK TEN YEARS. 1067 00:41:02,370 --> 00:41:03,538 THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I THOUGHT 1068 00:41:03,538 --> 00:41:05,106 OF, THAT'S WHAT THE DIRECTOR OF 1069 00:41:05,106 --> 00:41:07,242 CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE WAS TELLING 1070 00:41:07,242 --> 00:41:08,109 US. 1071 00:41:08,109 --> 00:41:09,511 THIS CONNECTION DID NOT 1072 00:41:09,511 --> 00:41:10,545 EXIST. 1073 00:41:10,545 --> 00:41:11,947 WE INTERVENED ON NUMEROUS 1074 00:41:11,947 --> 00:41:13,114 OCCASIONS TO SAY SO. 1075 00:41:13,114 --> 00:41:14,616 EVERYBODY KNEW WHAT OUR POINT OF 1076 00:41:14,616 --> 00:41:16,250 VIEW WAS. 1077 00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:17,852 AND I REMEMBER ONCE GOING TO THE 1078 00:41:17,852 --> 00:41:19,186 PRESIDENT AND SAYING, "LOOK, 1079 00:41:19,186 --> 00:41:20,387 WE... THIS HAS GOT TO STOP. 1080 00:41:20,387 --> 00:41:22,122 WE CAN'T SUPPORT THIS LANGUAGE." 1081 00:41:22,122 --> 00:41:23,591 NEITHER C.I.A. NOR ANY OTHER 1082 00:41:23,591 --> 00:41:25,259 GOVERNMENT AGENCY EVER FOUND ANY 1083 00:41:25,259 --> 00:41:27,161 EVIDENCE THAT IRAQ PLAYED ANY 1084 00:41:27,161 --> 00:41:29,129 ROLE AT ALL IN 9/11. 1085 00:41:29,129 --> 00:41:30,364 WE STUCK WITH THAT VIEW 1086 00:41:30,364 --> 00:41:31,966 THAT SADDAM WAS NOT INVOLVED IN 1087 00:41:31,966 --> 00:41:34,201 9.11. 1088 00:41:34,201 --> 00:41:35,468 Narrator: BUT ON THE CENTRAL 1089 00:41:35,468 --> 00:41:37,704 QUESTION, DOES SADDAM HUSSEIN 1090 00:41:37,704 --> 00:41:38,838 HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS 1091 00:41:38,838 --> 00:41:41,040 DESTRUCTION?, THE C.I.A.'S 1092 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,077 ANSWER IS YES. 1093 00:41:44,077 --> 00:41:45,445 IN THE OVAL OFFICE, DIRECTOR 1094 00:41:45,445 --> 00:41:47,614 TENET REASSURES GEORGE W. BUSH 1095 00:41:47,614 --> 00:41:49,482 WITH A METAPHOR THAT BECOMES 1096 00:41:49,482 --> 00:41:51,017 INFAMOUS. 1097 00:41:51,017 --> 00:41:53,318 I SAID, "WE CAN MAKE THIS 1098 00:41:53,318 --> 00:41:53,986 BETTER. 1099 00:41:53,986 --> 00:41:54,987 IT'S A SLAM DUNK." 1100 00:41:54,987 --> 00:41:55,888 IT WAS TENET WHO ASSURED 1101 00:41:55,888 --> 00:41:57,256 PRESIDENT BUSH THE QUESTION OF 1102 00:41:57,256 --> 00:41:58,757 IRAQ HAVING WEAPONS OF MASS 1103 00:41:58,757 --> 00:42:00,926 DESTRUCTION WAS A SLAM DUNK. 1104 00:42:00,926 --> 00:42:04,630 A "SLAM DUNK." 1105 00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:06,798 NOW, THE WAY IT WAS PORTRAYED 1106 00:42:06,798 --> 00:42:08,901 WAS, THIS WAS THE SEMINAL MOMENT 1107 00:42:08,901 --> 00:42:11,369 IN THE PRESIDENT'S LIFE IN TERMS 1108 00:42:11,369 --> 00:42:13,004 OF DECIDING WHETHER TO GO TO WAR 1109 00:42:13,004 --> 00:42:14,405 OR NOT, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT 1110 00:42:14,405 --> 00:42:16,607 HAPPENED AT ALL. 1111 00:42:16,607 --> 00:42:18,976 THE DECISION TO GO TO WAR AND 1112 00:42:18,976 --> 00:42:20,645 ORDERS TO SEND TROOPS HAD 1113 00:42:20,645 --> 00:42:22,079 ALREADY BEEN SIGNED. 1114 00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:22,980 I MEAN, WE... WE WERE WAY DOWN 1115 00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:23,814 THE ROAD HERE. 1116 00:42:23,814 --> 00:42:24,949 WHAT I WANTED TO CONVEY IS THERE 1117 00:42:24,949 --> 00:42:27,351 WAS PROBABLY A BETTER WAY FOR US 1118 00:42:27,351 --> 00:42:28,486 TO MAKE THIS A BETTER PUBLIC 1119 00:42:28,486 --> 00:42:29,953 CASE. 1120 00:42:29,953 --> 00:42:30,887 Narrator: THAT PUBLIC CASE TO 1121 00:42:30,887 --> 00:42:32,822 GO TO WAR WILL BE MADE BY 1122 00:42:32,822 --> 00:42:35,325 SECRETARY OF STATE COLIN POWELL 1123 00:42:35,325 --> 00:42:38,128 IN A PIVOTAL SPEECH VETTED BY 1124 00:42:38,128 --> 00:42:42,098 THE C.I.A. AND GEORGE TENET. 1125 00:42:42,098 --> 00:42:43,500 WE WORKED AS HARD AS WE KNEW 1126 00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:45,001 HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THE 1127 00:42:45,001 --> 00:42:46,369 SECRETARY WAS GOING TO SPEAK TO 1128 00:42:46,369 --> 00:42:48,138 THE WORLD ON THE BASIS ON THE 1129 00:42:48,138 --> 00:42:49,939 TRUTH AS WE UNDERSTOOD IT. 1130 00:42:49,939 --> 00:42:51,807 NOW, WE WERE ALSO LIVING IN A 1131 00:42:51,807 --> 00:42:53,242 TIME PERIOD WHERE THERE WAS NO 1132 00:42:53,242 --> 00:42:55,945 OUTSIDE INTELLIGENCE SERVICE OR 1133 00:42:55,945 --> 00:42:58,213 EXPERTS OR ANYBODY WHO BELIEVED 1134 00:42:58,213 --> 00:42:59,949 HE DID NOT HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS 1135 00:42:59,949 --> 00:43:01,317 DESTRUCTION. 1136 00:43:01,317 --> 00:43:02,484 WE KNOW THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN 1137 00:43:02,484 --> 00:43:03,552 IS DETERMINED TO KEEP HIS 1138 00:43:03,552 --> 00:43:05,588 WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION; 1139 00:43:05,588 --> 00:43:07,622 HE'S DETERMINED TO MAKE MORE. 1140 00:43:07,622 --> 00:43:08,823 LEAVING SADDAM HUSSEIN IN 1141 00:43:08,823 --> 00:43:09,991 POSSESSION OF WEAPONS OF MASS 1142 00:43:09,991 --> 00:43:11,559 DESTRUCTION FOR A FEW MORE 1143 00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:13,094 MONTHS OR YEARS IS NOT AN 1144 00:43:13,094 --> 00:43:14,329 OPTION. 1145 00:43:14,329 --> 00:43:15,463 Narrator: AND COLIN POWELL 1146 00:43:15,463 --> 00:43:17,031 MAKES A STARTLING CLAIM ABOUT 1147 00:43:17,031 --> 00:43:18,333 BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS THAT COMES 1148 00:43:18,333 --> 00:43:20,034 FROM A DUBIOUS SOURCE, A SOURCE 1149 00:43:20,034 --> 00:43:22,437 SOME IN THE C.I.A. KNEW WAS 1150 00:43:22,437 --> 00:43:24,138 UNRELIABLE. 1151 00:43:24,138 --> 00:43:25,739 WE HAVE FIRSTHAND 1152 00:43:25,739 --> 00:43:27,608 DESCRIPTIONS OF BIOLOGICAL 1153 00:43:27,608 --> 00:43:29,843 WEAPONS FACTORIES ON WHEELS AND 1154 00:43:29,843 --> 00:43:31,178 ON RAILS. 1155 00:43:31,178 --> 00:43:32,713 HE HAS THE ABILITY TO DISPENSE 1156 00:43:32,713 --> 00:43:34,214 THESE LETHAL POISONS AND 1157 00:43:34,214 --> 00:43:36,350 DISEASES IN WAYS THAT CAN CAUSE 1158 00:43:36,350 --> 00:43:40,120 MASSIVE DEATH AND DESTRUCTION. 1159 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,521 IT SHOULD'VE NEVER BEEN IN 1160 00:43:41,521 --> 00:43:42,889 THE SPEECH. 1161 00:43:42,889 --> 00:43:44,624 THIS WAS AN INTERNAL FAILURE OF 1162 00:43:44,624 --> 00:43:46,993 SOME PROPORTIONS INSIDE C.I.A. 1163 00:43:46,993 --> 00:43:48,527 OUR SENIOR OFFICER IN GERMANY 1164 00:43:48,527 --> 00:43:50,896 WAS WRITING CABLES IN THAT THERE 1165 00:43:50,896 --> 00:43:52,298 WERE PROBLEMS WITH THE SOURCE, 1166 00:43:52,298 --> 00:43:53,633 "DON'T USE THIS SOURCE." 1167 00:43:53,633 --> 00:43:56,068 NEVER SURFACED TO US, EVER 1168 00:43:56,068 --> 00:43:58,137 SURFACED TO US. 1169 00:43:58,137 --> 00:43:59,939 YOU KNOW, WE LET HIM DOWN. 1170 00:43:59,939 --> 00:44:01,273 AND HE KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT 1171 00:44:01,273 --> 00:44:04,342 ALL THIS. 1172 00:44:04,342 --> 00:44:06,378 MY FELLOW CITIZENS, AT THIS 1173 00:44:06,378 --> 00:44:11,449 HOUR, AMERICAN AND COALITION 1174 00:44:11,449 --> 00:44:13,251 FORCES ARE IN THE EARLY STAGES 1175 00:44:13,251 --> 00:44:16,287 OF MILITARY OPERATIONS TO DISARM 1176 00:44:16,287 --> 00:44:19,224 IRAQ, TO FREE IT'S PEOPLE. 1177 00:44:23,594 --> 00:44:27,965 FROM GRAVE DANGER. 1178 00:44:27,965 --> 00:44:29,533 IT'S BEEN 21 MONTHS SINCE 1179 00:44:29,533 --> 00:44:31,001 PRESIDENT BUSH LAUNCHED THE 1180 00:44:31,001 --> 00:44:32,636 INVASION OF IRAQ BASED IN LARGE 1181 00:44:32,636 --> 00:44:34,638 PART ON THE FAULTY INTELLIGENCE 1182 00:44:34,638 --> 00:44:36,540 THAT SADDAM HAD WEAPONS OF MASS 1183 00:44:36,540 --> 00:44:37,608 DESTRUCTION. 1184 00:44:37,608 --> 00:44:38,642 THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE 1185 00:44:38,642 --> 00:44:40,076 COMMITTEE HAS ISSUED A SCATHING 1186 00:44:40,076 --> 00:44:41,744 REPORT ON C.I.A. INTELLIGENCE 1187 00:44:41,744 --> 00:44:43,279 FAILURES ON THE THREAT LEVEL OF 1188 00:44:43,279 --> 00:44:44,280 PREWAR IRAQ. 1189 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,549 WE WENT TO WAR IN IRAQ BASED 1190 00:44:46,549 --> 00:44:50,153 ON FALSE CLAIMS. 1191 00:44:50,153 --> 00:44:51,354 WE WERE ALL VERY SURPRISED, 1192 00:44:51,354 --> 00:44:52,622 FRANKLY, THAT THERE WERE NOT 1193 00:44:52,622 --> 00:44:53,923 WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION 1194 00:44:53,923 --> 00:44:54,824 FOUND. 1195 00:44:54,824 --> 00:44:56,959 WE GOT W.M.D. VERY WRONG. 1196 00:44:56,959 --> 00:44:59,027 OUR BLAME IN THIS WAS NOT 1197 00:44:59,027 --> 00:45:00,562 JUST THAT WE WERE WRONG. 1198 00:45:00,562 --> 00:45:02,898 WE WERE AND THAT'S BAD, BUT WE 1199 00:45:02,898 --> 00:45:04,766 DID NOT COMMUNICATE OUR 1200 00:45:04,766 --> 00:45:06,301 AMBIGUITY. 1201 00:45:06,301 --> 00:45:08,236 WE DID NOT COMMUNICATE THAT WE 1202 00:45:08,236 --> 00:45:09,705 HAD ANYTHING EXCEPT FULL 1203 00:45:09,705 --> 00:45:11,773 CONFIDENCE IN OUR ESTIMATES TO 1204 00:45:11,773 --> 00:45:13,642 THE POLICY-MAKERS, AND THAT'S 1205 00:45:13,642 --> 00:45:15,010 REALLY THE ISSUE. 1206 00:45:15,010 --> 00:45:16,378 OUR ANALYSTS WERE GOOD AND 1207 00:45:16,378 --> 00:45:17,344 HONEST PEOPLE. 1208 00:45:17,344 --> 00:45:18,779 THERE'S NO POLITICAL MOTIVATION 1209 00:45:18,779 --> 00:45:19,647 HERE. 1210 00:45:19,647 --> 00:45:20,981 WE BASICALLY CAME TO THOSE 1211 00:45:20,981 --> 00:45:21,782 CONCLUSIONS. 1212 00:45:21,782 --> 00:45:23,217 NOBODY COOKED THE BOOKS? 1213 00:45:23,217 --> 00:45:23,984 NO. 1214 00:45:23,984 --> 00:45:25,419 LOOK... LOOK, IF WE WANTED TO 1215 00:45:25,419 --> 00:45:27,288 COOK THE BOOKS, IF YOU WANTED TO 1216 00:45:27,288 --> 00:45:28,689 COOK THE BOOKS, ALL YOU NEEDED 1217 00:45:28,689 --> 00:45:31,325 TO DO WAS SAY "IRAQ WAS DIRECTLY 1218 00:45:31,325 --> 00:45:33,027 INVOLVED IN 9/11." 1219 00:45:33,027 --> 00:45:34,795 GAME, SET, MATCH POINT, OVER. 1220 00:45:34,795 --> 00:45:36,529 WE NEVER DID THAT. 1221 00:45:36,529 --> 00:45:38,364 SO WE WERE WRONG, AND WE HAVE TO 1222 00:45:38,364 --> 00:45:40,166 TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. 1223 00:45:40,166 --> 00:45:41,735 BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, 1224 00:45:41,735 --> 00:45:42,869 POLICYMAKERS NEED TO BE A LITTLE 1225 00:45:42,869 --> 00:45:44,104 BIT MORE FORTHCOMING ABOUT WHAT 1226 00:45:44,104 --> 00:45:46,706 THEIR OWN MOTIVATIONS WERE-- IN 1227 00:45:46,706 --> 00:45:48,374 THIS INSTANCE, PERHAPS, HOW TO 1228 00:45:48,374 --> 00:45:53,680 REMAKE THE MIDDLE EAST. 1229 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,013 Narrator: THE WAR RAGES ON 1230 00:45:55,013 --> 00:45:59,218 FOR EIGHT YEARS, SOWING CHAOS 1231 00:45:59,218 --> 00:46:01,320 AND DESTRUCTION... 1232 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:06,125 NO ELECTRICITY, NO WATER, 1233 00:46:09,828 --> 00:46:11,630 EVERYBODY IS SUFFERING. 1234 00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:14,465 MY COUNTRY, NOT BRITISH OR 1235 00:46:14,465 --> 00:46:18,302 AMERICAN. 1236 00:46:21,539 --> 00:46:22,707 Narrator: ...AND LEAVING 1237 00:46:22,707 --> 00:46:27,912 NEARLY 5,000 AMERICANS DEAD, 1238 00:46:27,912 --> 00:46:32,582 30,000 WOUNDED AND HUNDREDS OF 1239 00:46:32,582 --> 00:46:36,987 THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS KILLED. 1240 00:46:45,061 --> 00:46:50,332 AN INTELLIGENCE FAILURE SUCH 1241 00:46:50,332 --> 00:46:54,804 AS THAT THAT TOOK PLACE IN 2003 1242 00:46:54,804 --> 00:46:58,440 CHANGES HISTORY. 1243 00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,608 Narrator: RISING FROM THE 1244 00:46:59,608 --> 00:47:01,911 ASHES OF IRAQ, A TERROR GROUP 1245 00:47:01,911 --> 00:47:06,081 KNOWN AS ISIS. 1246 00:47:06,081 --> 00:47:08,183 RUTHLESS AND BARBARIC, THEY WILL 1247 00:47:08,183 --> 00:47:09,717 BE A FORMIDABLE ENEMY IN THE 1248 00:47:09,717 --> 00:47:13,888 YEARS AHEAD. 1249 00:47:17,792 --> 00:47:20,028 BUT IN THE AFTERMATH OF 9/11, 1250 00:47:20,028 --> 00:47:21,362 THE C.I.A. FACES A MORE 1251 00:47:21,362 --> 00:47:23,598 IMMEDIATE THREAT: AL QAEDA IS 1252 00:47:23,598 --> 00:47:26,700 POISED TO STRIKE AMERICA AGAIN. 1253 00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:28,268 WE COULD NOT AFFORD TO BE HIT 1254 00:47:28,268 --> 00:47:29,303 AGAIN. 1255 00:47:29,303 --> 00:47:31,305 EVERYTHING THAT WE HOLD DEAR WAS 1256 00:47:31,305 --> 00:47:33,207 AT RISK. 1257 00:47:33,207 --> 00:47:35,843 THE GREATEST WORRY WAS IF 1258 00:47:35,843 --> 00:47:38,178 THEY WERE THAT COMMITTED TO THE 1259 00:47:38,178 --> 00:47:40,881 ATTACK THAT TOOK PLACE ON 9/11, 1260 00:47:40,881 --> 00:47:42,683 AND THEY HAD THAT MUCH HATE IN 1261 00:47:42,683 --> 00:47:44,184 THEM, WOULD THEY RESORT TO A 1262 00:47:44,184 --> 00:47:46,419 NUCLEAR WEAPON SOMEPLACE? 1263 00:47:46,419 --> 00:47:48,254 AFTER 9/11, WE RECEIVED A 1264 00:47:48,254 --> 00:47:50,089 REPORT FROM A FOREIGN SERVICE 1265 00:47:50,089 --> 00:47:52,491 THAT SAID THAT IN AUGUST OF 1266 00:47:52,491 --> 00:47:56,229 2001, BIN LADEN AND ZAWAHIRI SAT 1267 00:47:56,229 --> 00:47:58,464 AT A CAMPFIRE WITH PAKISTANI 1268 00:47:58,464 --> 00:48:00,833 NUCLEAR SCIENTISTS REPRESENTING 1269 00:48:00,833 --> 00:48:03,436 A NON GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATION. 1270 00:48:03,436 --> 00:48:05,837 THESE NUCLEAR SCIENTISTS HAD 1271 00:48:05,837 --> 00:48:08,206 TALKED TO AL QAEDA ABOUT THE 1272 00:48:08,206 --> 00:48:10,242 PRACTICALITIES OF DEVELOPING A 1273 00:48:10,242 --> 00:48:12,344 NUCLEAR WEAPONS CAPABILITY. 1274 00:48:12,344 --> 00:48:15,780 THE PAKISTANIS SAID, "WELL, YOU 1275 00:48:15,780 --> 00:48:17,115 KNOW, THE HARD PART ABOUT THIS 1276 00:48:17,115 --> 00:48:18,350 IS ACQUIRING THE FISSILE 1277 00:48:18,350 --> 00:48:19,718 MATERIAL." 1278 00:48:19,718 --> 00:48:21,219 AND THEN, BIN LADEN LOOKED AT 1279 00:48:21,219 --> 00:48:22,686 HIM AND SAID, "WELL, WHAT MAKES 1280 00:48:22,686 --> 00:48:24,321 YOU THINK WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE 1281 00:48:24,321 --> 00:48:27,958 IT?" 1282 00:48:27,958 --> 00:48:29,126 Narrator: THE C.I.A. BELIEVES 1283 00:48:29,126 --> 00:48:31,395 BIN LADEN HAS THE DESIGN, 1284 00:48:31,395 --> 00:48:35,366 MATERIALS AND TARGET FOR A 1285 00:48:35,366 --> 00:48:37,301 NUCLEAR WEAPON. 1286 00:48:37,301 --> 00:48:39,203 WE BEGAN TO RECEIVE REPORTING 1287 00:48:39,203 --> 00:48:40,604 THAT AL QAEDA HAD PLACED A 1288 00:48:40,604 --> 00:48:43,840 NUCLEAR WEAPON IN NEW YORK CITY. 1289 00:48:49,779 --> 00:48:51,014 Narrator: INTELLIGENCE POINTS 1290 00:48:51,014 --> 00:48:54,751 TO SUBWAYS, BUILDINGS, BRIDGES-- 1291 00:48:54,751 --> 00:48:57,854 ALL TARGETED FOR DESTRUCTION AND 1292 00:48:57,854 --> 00:48:59,388 CHILLING EVIDENCE THAT THE EAST 1293 00:48:59,388 --> 00:49:01,623 COAST OF AMERICA WAS NOT THE 1294 00:49:01,623 --> 00:49:04,326 ONLY TARGET AL QAEDA HAD CHOSEN. 1295 00:49:04,326 --> 00:49:08,130 THE 9/11 PLOT HAD ALSO A PLOT 1296 00:49:08,130 --> 00:49:10,799 TO ATTACK THE WEST COAST OF THE 1297 00:49:10,799 --> 00:49:13,735 U.S. SIMULTANEOUSLY USING 1298 00:49:13,735 --> 00:49:19,040 AIRPLANES HIJACKED FROM ASIA. 1299 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,476 BIN LADEN TURNED DOWN THIS PART 1300 00:49:22,476 --> 00:49:23,844 OF THE OPERATION BECAUSE HE 1301 00:49:23,844 --> 00:49:26,180 CONSIDERED IT TOO COMPLICATED. 1302 00:49:26,180 --> 00:49:27,882 Narrator: BUT NOW, THAT PLOT 1303 00:49:27,882 --> 00:49:29,550 TO ATTACK AMERICA'S WEST COAST 1304 00:49:29,550 --> 00:49:32,053 IS GIVEN NEW LIFE. 1305 00:49:32,053 --> 00:49:34,822 THE C.I.A. GOES INTO OVERDRIVE, 1306 00:49:34,822 --> 00:49:36,324 KNOWING THAT THE COST OF ANOTHER 1307 00:49:36,324 --> 00:49:38,625 9/11 WOULD BE BEYOND 1308 00:49:38,625 --> 00:49:41,094 MEASUREMENT. 1309 00:49:41,094 --> 00:49:42,996 THIS PERIOD OF TIME, WITH 1310 00:49:42,996 --> 00:49:44,364 WHAT WE KNEW ABOUT THEIR 1311 00:49:44,364 --> 00:49:45,932 INTEREST IN WEAPONS OF MASS 1312 00:49:45,932 --> 00:49:47,867 DESTRUCTION AND WHAT WE KNEW 1313 00:49:47,867 --> 00:49:49,970 ABOUT THE CONVENTIONAL THREATS 1314 00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:51,671 THAT WE WERE SEEING EVERY DAY 1315 00:49:51,671 --> 00:49:53,606 MADE IT FEEL AS IF WE WERE 1316 00:49:53,606 --> 00:49:56,008 LIVING A TICKING TIME BOMB EVERY 1317 00:49:56,008 --> 00:49:58,210 SINGLE DAY FOR A PERIOD OF THREE 1318 00:49:58,210 --> 00:50:01,046 YEARS. 1319 00:50:09,121 --> 00:50:17,161 THEY NEVER STOPPED PLOTTING 1320 00:50:20,264 --> 00:50:21,632 AGAINST US. 1321 00:50:21,632 --> 00:50:23,735 WE CAPTURED PEOPLE ALL ALONG FOR 1322 00:50:23,735 --> 00:50:25,403 THE NEXT TEN YEARS, AND THERE 1323 00:50:25,403 --> 00:50:29,741 WAS ALWAYS A PLOT INVOLVED. 1324 00:50:34,311 --> 00:50:36,346 RASHID RAUF WAS THE PAKISTANI 1325 00:50:36,346 --> 00:50:38,915 END OF A PLOT GOING ON IN GREAT 1326 00:50:38,915 --> 00:50:40,584 BRITAIN CALLED THE WIDE-BODY 1327 00:50:40,584 --> 00:50:42,386 PLOT-- INCREDIBLY SIGNIFICANT 1328 00:50:42,386 --> 00:50:45,088 ATTACK, MULTIPLE EXPLOSIONS ON 1329 00:50:45,088 --> 00:50:47,124 MULTIPLE WIDE-BODIES ALMOST 1330 00:50:47,124 --> 00:50:49,192 SIMULTANEOUSLY FLYING OUT OF 1331 00:50:49,192 --> 00:50:51,227 GREAT BRITAIN TO A VARIETY OF 1332 00:50:51,227 --> 00:50:52,728 CITIES IN NORTH AMERICA. 1333 00:50:52,728 --> 00:50:55,965 CAN YOU IMAGINE TEN AIRPLANES 1334 00:50:55,965 --> 00:50:57,566 FULL OF INNOCENT PEOPLE 1335 00:50:57,566 --> 00:51:00,036 DISAPPEARING EN ROUTE TO CITIES 1336 00:51:00,036 --> 00:51:01,404 LIKE NEW YORK, WASHINGTON, 1337 00:51:01,404 --> 00:51:04,140 MIAMI, CHICAGO, LOS ANGELES, 1338 00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:05,775 MONTREAL? 1339 00:51:05,775 --> 00:51:09,210 IT WOULD HAVE RIVALED 9/11. 1340 00:51:09,210 --> 00:51:10,045 Narrator: BRITISH 1341 00:51:10,045 --> 00:51:13,481 INTELLIGENCE, MI5, TRACKS RASHID 1342 00:51:13,481 --> 00:51:16,684 RAUF'S AL QAEDA CELL, HIS PLANS 1343 00:51:16,684 --> 00:51:19,921 AND HIS IMPROVISED WEAPONS OF 1344 00:51:19,921 --> 00:51:21,256 DESTRUCTION. 1345 00:51:21,256 --> 00:51:23,124 THEY HAD GATHERED UP AN AWFUL 1346 00:51:23,124 --> 00:51:25,026 LOT OF HYDROGEN PEROXIDE IN A 1347 00:51:25,026 --> 00:51:26,861 HOMEMADE RECIPE, TURN IT INTO AN 1348 00:51:26,861 --> 00:51:28,228 EXPLOSIVE AND THEN PUT IT INTO 1349 00:51:28,228 --> 00:51:29,696 SPORTS BOTTLES. 1350 00:51:29,696 --> 00:51:31,165 SO WE HAD GREAT CONCERN ON OUR 1351 00:51:31,165 --> 00:51:32,900 SIDE OF THE ATLANTIC ABOUT 1352 00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:35,035 "LET'S BREAK THIS UP." 1353 00:51:35,035 --> 00:51:36,837 THE BRITISH WANTED TO BUILD UP 1354 00:51:36,837 --> 00:51:38,338 AS MUCH PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AS 1355 00:51:38,338 --> 00:51:40,641 POSSIBLE, SO WE'RE SAYING, "THEY 1356 00:51:40,641 --> 00:51:42,743 BOUGHT THE HYDROGEN PEROXIDE." 1357 00:51:42,743 --> 00:51:44,244 AND THEY'RE SAYING, "WE NEED TO 1358 00:51:44,244 --> 00:51:46,879 BUILD UP MORE EVIDENCE." 1359 00:51:46,879 --> 00:51:49,015 THE PLOTTERS HAD ALREADY 1360 00:51:49,015 --> 00:51:52,318 SELECTED THE TEN FLIGHTS THEY 1361 00:51:52,318 --> 00:51:55,455 WERE GOING TO BLOW UP, AND I 1362 00:51:55,455 --> 00:51:57,623 SAID TO MYSELF, "THIS IS 1363 00:51:57,623 --> 00:52:01,327 IMMINENT." 1364 00:52:03,529 --> 00:52:04,397 Narrator: WITH THE LONDON 1365 00:52:04,397 --> 00:52:06,832 PLOT HEATING UP, RAUF IS IN 1366 00:52:06,832 --> 00:52:11,369 PAKISTAN AND SO IS THE C.I.A. 1367 00:52:11,369 --> 00:52:12,804 SO, NOW I'M ON A TRIP IN 1368 00:52:12,804 --> 00:52:16,241 PAKISTAN IN AUGUST 2006 WITH MY 1369 00:52:16,241 --> 00:52:17,776 HEAD OF THE NATIONAL CLANDESTINE 1370 00:52:17,776 --> 00:52:23,347 SERVICE, JOSE RODRIGUEZ. 1371 00:52:23,347 --> 00:52:26,083 I WAS CALLED IN BY THE CHIEF 1372 00:52:26,083 --> 00:52:28,219 OF PAKISTANI INTELLIGENCE AND 1373 00:52:28,219 --> 00:52:30,621 TOLD, "WE MAY HAVE A CHANCE TO 1374 00:52:30,621 --> 00:52:38,195 CAPTURE RAUF TONIGHT. 1375 00:52:38,195 --> 00:52:39,830 HE'S GOING TO GO FROM POINT A TO 1376 00:52:39,830 --> 00:52:42,866 POINT B, AND IN BETWEEN THERE IS 1377 00:52:42,866 --> 00:52:44,367 A POLICE CHECKPOINT. 1378 00:52:44,367 --> 00:52:46,936 WE CAN STOP THE BUS, AND WE CAN 1379 00:52:46,936 --> 00:52:49,906 GRAB HIM." 1380 00:52:49,906 --> 00:52:51,541 OUR HEADQUARTERS PERSONNEL HAD 1381 00:52:51,541 --> 00:52:54,744 PLEDGED TO MI5 THAT VERY DAY 1382 00:52:54,744 --> 00:52:59,115 THAT WE WOULD NOT CAPTURE RAUF, 1383 00:52:59,115 --> 00:53:00,849 AND I WAS TOLD THAT PRIME 1384 00:53:00,849 --> 00:53:03,852 MINISTER BLAIR HAD SPOKEN WITH 1385 00:53:03,852 --> 00:53:05,487 PRESIDENT BUSH THAT DAY, AND 1386 00:53:05,487 --> 00:53:06,755 THEY HAD AGREED THAT THEY NEEDED 1387 00:53:06,755 --> 00:53:08,857 MORE TIME. 1388 00:53:12,427 --> 00:53:14,196 I WAS SITTING IN THE CAR WITH 1389 00:53:14,196 --> 00:53:15,931 CHIEF OF STATION. 1390 00:53:15,931 --> 00:53:18,167 HE GETS A CALL SAYING, "THE BUS 1391 00:53:18,167 --> 00:53:20,001 IS COMING. 1392 00:53:20,001 --> 00:53:23,237 WE NEED AUTHORIZATION TO GO IN." 1393 00:53:23,237 --> 00:53:24,872 AND THE CHIEF OF STATION TURNS 1394 00:53:24,872 --> 00:53:28,476 TO ME AND SAYS, "WHAT DO WE DO, 1395 00:53:28,476 --> 00:53:30,511 BOSS?" 1396 00:53:33,581 --> 00:53:35,283 SO JOSE, IN A VERY SHORT 1397 00:53:35,283 --> 00:53:36,984 PERIOD OF TIME, HAS TO MAKE A 1398 00:53:36,984 --> 00:53:39,586 REALLY BIG DECISION. 1399 00:53:41,688 --> 00:53:44,591 IF I TOOK THE TIME TO CALL 1400 00:53:44,591 --> 00:53:46,560 HEADQUARTERS, IT WOULD BE THE 1401 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,129 EQUIVALENT OF SAYING NO TO THE 1402 00:53:49,129 --> 00:53:51,798 OPERATION. 1403 00:53:59,905 --> 00:54:01,840 HAD AIRPLANES FALLEN FROM THE 1404 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,642 SKY, I COULD SEE MYSELF BEING 1405 00:54:03,642 --> 00:54:05,544 HAULED UP TO THE CONGRESS. 1406 00:54:05,544 --> 00:54:06,812 "LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, MR. 1407 00:54:06,812 --> 00:54:08,581 RODRIGUEZ. 1408 00:54:08,581 --> 00:54:11,584 YOU HAD A TERRORIST THAT WANTED 1409 00:54:11,584 --> 00:54:14,220 TO BLOW UP U.S. AIRLINERS WITHIN 1410 00:54:14,220 --> 00:54:16,888 YOUR GRASP AND YOU DID NOT MAKE 1411 00:54:16,888 --> 00:54:18,890 A DECISION? 1412 00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:20,458 OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!" 1413 00:54:20,458 --> 00:54:22,060 THE DECISION HE MADE WAS, "I 1414 00:54:22,060 --> 00:54:23,661 CAN'T PASS UP THE OPPORTUNITY TO 1415 00:54:23,661 --> 00:54:25,029 GRAB RASHID RAUF." 1416 00:54:25,029 --> 00:54:26,364 SO HE DOES. 1417 00:54:26,364 --> 00:54:29,734 WE STOPPED A MAJOR ATTACK 1418 00:54:29,734 --> 00:54:31,502 AGAINST US. 1419 00:54:31,502 --> 00:54:33,670 SINCE THEN, OF COURSE, WE CAN'T 1420 00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:35,072 TAKE MORE THAN-- WHAT IS IT-- 1421 00:54:35,072 --> 00:54:38,942 3.6 FLUID OUNCES ON AIRPLANES, 1422 00:54:38,942 --> 00:54:41,878 BUT THAT'S A SMALL PRICE TO PAY. 1423 00:54:44,348 --> 00:54:45,015 Narrator: THE PLOTS KEEP 1424 00:54:45,015 --> 00:54:47,684 COMING, WITH OSAMA BIN LADEN 1425 00:54:47,684 --> 00:54:49,353 STILL AT LARGE. 1426 00:54:49,353 --> 00:54:50,520 WHERE THE HELL WAS THIS GUY 1427 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,755 THAT WAS OUR NUMBER ONE ENEMY? 1428 00:54:52,755 --> 00:54:54,924 EVERY LEAD LED NOWHERE FOR 1429 00:54:54,924 --> 00:54:57,159 ALMOST TEN YEARS, AND IT WAS 1430 00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:58,894 PRETTY FRUSTRATING. 1431 00:54:58,894 --> 00:55:01,330 BUT THEN WE HAD AN INDICATION 1432 00:55:01,330 --> 00:55:05,434 FROM JORDAN THERE WAS A DOCTOR, 1433 00:55:05,434 --> 00:55:07,236 THAT IF THEY WERE ABLE TO GET 1434 00:55:07,236 --> 00:55:09,372 HIM IN TO PAKISTAN HE MIGHT... 1435 00:55:09,372 --> 00:55:11,840 HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LEAD US TO 1436 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,276 ZAWAHIRI, WHO WAS THE SECOND IN 1437 00:55:14,276 --> 00:55:16,378 COMMAND. 1438 00:55:16,378 --> 00:55:17,445 Narrator: THE C.I.A. BELIEVES 1439 00:55:17,445 --> 00:55:18,947 IT HAS STRUCK GOLD. 1440 00:55:18,947 --> 00:55:21,416 HUMAM AL-BALAWI, A JORDANIAN 1441 00:55:21,416 --> 00:55:23,818 DOCTOR, NOW PROMISES TO LEAD 1442 00:55:23,818 --> 00:55:26,955 THEM TO THE MOTHER LODE. 1443 00:55:26,955 --> 00:55:28,523 HE HAD BEEN A JIHADIST. 1444 00:55:28,523 --> 00:55:30,124 THE JORDANIAN INTELLIGENCE 1445 00:55:30,124 --> 00:55:32,192 OPERATION THOUGHT THEY HAD BEEN 1446 00:55:32,192 --> 00:55:34,094 SUCCESSFUL IN FLIPPING HIM. 1447 00:55:34,094 --> 00:55:35,496 SO THERE WAS A LOT OF EXCITEMENT 1448 00:55:35,496 --> 00:55:37,164 AND, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, 1449 00:55:37,164 --> 00:55:38,899 OFFICERS WHO SPENT THEIR WHOLE 1450 00:55:38,899 --> 00:55:41,001 LIFE IN INTELLIGENCE AND WORKING 1451 00:55:41,001 --> 00:55:42,903 ON THESE KINDS OF ISSUES FELT 1452 00:55:42,903 --> 00:55:44,772 THAT, "BOY, THIS MIGHT BE A BIG 1453 00:55:44,772 --> 00:55:46,707 BREAK." 1454 00:55:46,707 --> 00:55:47,974 Narrator: C.I.A. OFFICERS 1455 00:55:47,974 --> 00:55:49,542 LIKE 30-YEAR-OLD ELIZABETH 1456 00:55:49,542 --> 00:55:51,511 HANSON AND STATION CHIEF 1457 00:55:51,511 --> 00:55:53,913 JENNIFER MATTHEWS, A 20-YEAR 1458 00:55:53,913 --> 00:55:55,748 AGENCY VETERAN. 1459 00:55:55,748 --> 00:55:57,083 JENNIFER MATTHEWS WAS IN 1460 00:55:57,083 --> 00:55:58,885 CHARGE OF THE OFFICERS WHO WERE 1461 00:55:58,885 --> 00:56:00,019 THERE. 1462 00:56:00,019 --> 00:56:00,987 I WOULDN'T HAVE HESITATED A 1463 00:56:00,987 --> 00:56:04,123 MOMENT TO PUT HER INTO THAT 1464 00:56:04,123 --> 00:56:06,191 POSITION BECAUSE OF HER 1465 00:56:06,191 --> 00:56:07,859 CAPABILITY AND HER PROVEN 1466 00:56:07,859 --> 00:56:09,061 RECORD. 1467 00:56:09,061 --> 00:56:11,196 JENNIFER I MET IN THE LATE 1468 00:56:11,196 --> 00:56:13,832 1990s WHEN I FIRST CAME TO THE 1469 00:56:13,832 --> 00:56:15,600 COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER. 1470 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,903 WE WERE BOTH WORKING ON 1471 00:56:17,903 --> 00:56:19,471 UNDERSTANDING THE SUPPORT 1472 00:56:19,471 --> 00:56:20,872 NETWORK TO AL QAEDA IN 1473 00:56:20,872 --> 00:56:23,742 AFGHANISTAN, AND WE WERE ALSO 1474 00:56:23,742 --> 00:56:25,443 PREGNANT AT THE SAME TIME, 1475 00:56:25,443 --> 00:56:26,544 MULTIPLE TIMES. 1476 00:56:26,544 --> 00:56:27,712 SHE HAD THREE CHILDREN. 1477 00:56:27,712 --> 00:56:31,248 HER THREE TRACKED WITH MY... MY 1478 00:56:31,248 --> 00:56:33,150 THIRD, FOURTH AND FIFTH. 1479 00:56:33,150 --> 00:56:35,286 SHE WAS CHASING BIN LADEN 1480 00:56:35,286 --> 00:56:37,154 BEFORE CHASING BIN LADEN WAS 1481 00:56:37,154 --> 00:56:39,056 COOL, AND SHE HAD ACTUALLY BASED 1482 00:56:39,056 --> 00:56:41,192 HER PROFESSIONAL CAREER ON 1483 00:56:41,192 --> 00:56:43,360 TRACKING AL QAEDA AND 1484 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:48,498 IDENTIFYING ITS ADHERENTS. 1485 00:56:48,498 --> 00:56:49,466 Narrator: BUT TO GET TO 1486 00:56:49,466 --> 00:56:51,634 OSAMA BIN LADEN, MATTHEWS AND 1487 00:56:51,634 --> 00:56:53,703 HER C.I.A. TEAM WANT A 1488 00:56:53,703 --> 00:56:55,538 FACE-TO-FACE MEETING WITH 1489 00:56:55,538 --> 00:56:57,340 AL-BALAWI. 1490 00:56:57,340 --> 00:56:58,875 IT'S A GAMBLE THAT MUST BE 1491 00:56:58,875 --> 00:57:01,543 APPROVED BY DIRECTOR PANETTA. 1492 00:57:01,543 --> 00:57:03,145 WE AT THE C.I.A. FELT WE HAD 1493 00:57:03,145 --> 00:57:05,547 TO ESTABLISH OUR OWN CREDIBILITY 1494 00:57:05,547 --> 00:57:07,149 WITH THIS GUY, AND, TO DO THAT, 1495 00:57:07,149 --> 00:57:08,317 YOU REALLY HAVE TO SIT DOWN WITH 1496 00:57:08,317 --> 00:57:10,886 HIM AND DO A MEETING TO REALLY 1497 00:57:10,886 --> 00:57:12,855 GAIN SOME INSIGHT AS TO WHO 1498 00:57:12,855 --> 00:57:15,791 WE'RE DEALING WITH. 1499 00:57:18,961 --> 00:57:21,295 THE VEHICLE COMES IN TO THE 1500 00:57:21,295 --> 00:57:22,430 BASE. 1501 00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:23,631 THEY BROUGHT HIM THROUGH SOME OF 1502 00:57:23,631 --> 00:57:25,233 THE CHECKPOINTS. 1503 00:57:25,233 --> 00:57:27,301 THEY MAKE THE DECISION THAT THEY 1504 00:57:27,301 --> 00:57:29,170 ARE ALL GOING TO GO OUT TO GREET 1505 00:57:29,170 --> 00:57:30,438 HIM. 1506 00:57:30,438 --> 00:57:31,205 ONE OF THE MISTAKES THAT WAS 1507 00:57:31,205 --> 00:57:32,874 MADE WAS THERE WAS NO BODY 1508 00:57:32,874 --> 00:57:33,474 SEARCH. 1509 00:57:33,474 --> 00:57:34,675 THERE WAS NO CHECK. 1510 00:57:34,675 --> 00:57:37,011 THEY THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD SHOW 1511 00:57:37,011 --> 00:57:39,646 THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WERE 1512 00:57:39,646 --> 00:57:41,548 FRIENDLY AND THAT THEY WERE ALL 1513 00:57:41,548 --> 00:57:43,216 ANXIOUS TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH 1514 00:57:43,216 --> 00:57:45,719 HIM. 1515 00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:47,187 Narrator: BUT AL-BALAWI IS 1516 00:57:47,187 --> 00:57:49,990 NOT ABOUT TO TURN INTO A C.I.A. 1517 00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:51,458 SPY. 1518 00:57:51,458 --> 00:57:52,526 WE WILL BEAT YOU, C.I.A. 1519 00:57:52,526 --> 00:57:53,527 TEAM. 1520 00:57:53,527 --> 00:57:54,895 INSHALLAH, WE WILL BEAT YOU 1521 00:57:54,895 --> 00:57:55,762 DOWN. 1522 00:57:55,762 --> 00:57:57,096 DON'T THINK THAT YOU JUST 1523 00:57:57,096 --> 00:57:58,364 PRESSING A BUTTON, KILLING 1524 00:57:58,364 --> 00:58:00,032 MUJAHIDEEN, YOU ARE SAFE. 1525 00:58:00,032 --> 00:58:02,268 INSHALLAH, DEATH WILL COME TO 1526 00:58:02,268 --> 00:58:03,068 YOU. 1527 00:58:03,068 --> 00:58:04,003 Narrator: THIS IS THE VIDEO 1528 00:58:04,003 --> 00:58:06,605 HE MADE LAYING OUT HIS PLANS, 1529 00:58:06,605 --> 00:58:09,275 HIS MARTYR SUICIDE VIDEO. 1530 00:58:09,275 --> 00:58:10,876 LOOK, THIS IS FOR YOU. 1531 00:58:10,876 --> 00:58:12,211 IT'S NOT WATCH. 1532 00:58:12,211 --> 00:58:14,680 IT'S DETONATOR TO KILL AS MUCH 1533 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,114 AS I CAN, INSHALLAH. 1534 00:58:16,114 --> 00:58:17,615 THIS IS MY JOB, TO KILL YOU. 1535 00:58:17,615 --> 00:58:18,750 Narrator: AL-BALAWI IS AN AL 1536 00:58:18,750 --> 00:58:22,921 QAEDA AGENT READY TO KILL, READY 1537 00:58:22,921 --> 00:58:24,289 TO DIE. 1538 00:58:24,289 --> 00:58:25,190 AND YOU WILL BE SENT TO THE 1539 00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:26,891 HELL. 1540 00:58:26,891 --> 00:58:28,660 HIS HANDS WERE HIDDEN. 1541 00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:29,861 THEY DEMANDED THAT HE TAKE HIS 1542 00:58:29,861 --> 00:58:31,196 HANDS OUT. 1543 00:58:31,196 --> 00:58:33,665 THEY KEPT YELLING AT HIM. 1544 00:58:33,665 --> 00:58:38,235 AND BEFORE THEY KNEW IT, HE HAD 1545 00:58:38,235 --> 00:58:41,772 DETONATED HIS SUICIDE VEST. 1546 00:58:44,475 --> 00:58:46,376 IT BLEW UP EVERYONE WHO WAS IN 1547 00:58:46,376 --> 00:58:48,545 THE AREA, AND THE BALL BEARINGS 1548 00:58:48,545 --> 00:58:50,047 FROM THE VEST ACTUALLY WENT 1549 00:58:50,047 --> 00:58:52,082 UNDER THE VEHICLE AND TORE THE 1550 00:58:52,082 --> 00:58:54,784 LEGS OF SEVERAL OTHER OFFICERS 1551 00:58:54,784 --> 00:58:56,385 WHO WERE THERE SO THAT ALMOST 1552 00:58:56,385 --> 00:58:58,354 EVERYBODY WHO WAS IN THAT 1553 00:58:58,354 --> 00:59:00,823 SEMICIRCLE WAS WOUNDED OR 1554 00:59:00,823 --> 00:59:02,892 KILLED. 1555 00:59:05,828 --> 00:59:08,598 IT WAS A VERY, VERY GRIM 1556 00:59:08,598 --> 00:59:11,900 REMINDER ABOUT JUST HOW MUCH OUR 1557 00:59:11,900 --> 00:59:15,337 OFFICERS PUT THEMSELVES AT RISK. 1558 00:59:15,337 --> 00:59:18,473 THAT WAS A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE 1559 00:59:18,473 --> 00:59:21,109 LOSS FOR THE AGENCY AND REALLY, 1560 00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:23,945 REALLY SHOOK IT. 1561 00:59:23,945 --> 00:59:24,813 Narrator: SEVEN C.I.A. 1562 00:59:24,813 --> 00:59:28,383 OFFICERS ARE DEAD, INCLUDING 1563 00:59:28,383 --> 00:59:32,219 ELIZABETH HANSON AND HER FRIEND, 1564 00:59:32,219 --> 00:59:35,890 JENNIFER MATTHEWS. 1565 00:59:35,890 --> 00:59:37,758 I HAVE ONE MEMORY OF JENNIFER 1566 00:59:37,758 --> 00:59:40,060 THAT IS THE ONE I CHOOSE TO 1567 00:59:40,060 --> 00:59:41,629 RECALL. 1568 00:59:41,629 --> 00:59:42,730 ONE TIME, JENNIFER AND I WERE 1569 00:59:42,730 --> 00:59:45,633 TRAVELING OVERSEAS, AND WE WERE 1570 00:59:45,633 --> 00:59:49,836 IN A TINY LITTLE BEAT-UP CAR. 1571 00:59:49,836 --> 00:59:51,704 SHE HAS THE RADIO UP, ALL 1572 00:59:51,704 --> 00:59:53,373 CRACKLY AND HORRIBLE. 1573 00:59:53,373 --> 00:59:56,543 BUT YOU HEAR THE UNMISTAKABLE 1574 00:59:56,543 --> 00:59:59,245 PIANO INTRO TO GLORIA GAYNOR'S 1575 00:59:59,245 --> 01:00:01,748 "I WILL SURVIVE," WHICH ANY 1576 01:00:01,748 --> 01:00:03,883 WOMAN CAN TELL YOU IS ONE OF OUR 1577 01:00:03,883 --> 01:00:05,451 ANTHEMS. 1578 01:00:05,451 --> 01:00:08,086 AND JENNIFER CRANKS THAT RADIO 1579 01:00:08,086 --> 01:00:10,822 ALL THE WAY UP, BELTING OUT, "AS 1580 01:00:10,822 --> 01:00:12,324 LONG AS I KNOW HOW TO LOVE, I 1581 01:00:12,324 --> 01:00:14,393 KNOW I WILL SURVIVE," JUST 1582 01:00:14,393 --> 01:00:16,261 DANCING. 1583 01:00:16,261 --> 01:00:18,096 AS LONG AS I KNOW HOW TO LOVE 1584 01:00:18,096 --> 01:00:20,165 I KNOW I'LL STAY ALIVE 1585 01:00:20,165 --> 01:00:22,834 THAT'S HOW I REMEMBER HER 1586 01:00:22,834 --> 01:00:24,770 LIVING, LARGER THAN LIFE. 1587 01:00:24,770 --> 01:00:28,105 SHE JUST WAS ALL HEART. 1588 01:00:28,105 --> 01:00:30,007 AS MUCH AS AL QAEDA THINKS THEY 1589 01:00:30,007 --> 01:00:32,109 DESTROYED HER THAT DAY, THEY 1590 01:00:32,109 --> 01:00:37,381 MADE HER IMMORTAL. 1591 01:00:37,381 --> 01:00:39,884 SHE WILL ALWAYS SURVIVE. 1592 01:00:47,991 --> 01:00:50,660 IT WAS VERY PERSONAL, 1593 01:00:50,660 --> 01:00:52,329 PERSONAL FOR ME, PERSONAL FOR 1594 01:00:52,329 --> 01:00:55,231 THE OTHER OFFICERS AT THE C.I.A. 1595 01:00:55,231 --> 01:00:56,600 Narrator: IT ISN'T LONG 1596 01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,001 BEFORE LEON PANETTA MAKES THAT 1597 01:00:58,001 --> 01:01:00,270 LIFE-AND-DEATH DECISION, CALLING 1598 01:01:00,270 --> 01:01:02,372 IN A DEADLY DRONE STRIKE ON THE 1599 01:01:02,372 --> 01:01:04,974 MASTERMIND OF THAT SUICIDE 1600 01:01:04,974 --> 01:01:07,509 BOMBING-- THE STRIKE THAT ALSO 1601 01:01:07,509 --> 01:01:09,645 KILLED HIS FAMILY. 1602 01:01:09,645 --> 01:01:10,479 PROBABLY THE BIGGEST 1603 01:01:10,479 --> 01:01:13,949 CONSEQUENCE WAS THAT THE GUT 1604 01:01:13,949 --> 01:01:19,221 FEELING IN EVERY OFFICERS' INNER 1605 01:01:19,221 --> 01:01:23,725 BEING THAT THAT THEIR GOAL WAS 1606 01:01:23,725 --> 01:01:27,128 TO GO AFTER THE LEADERSHIP OF AL 1607 01:01:27,128 --> 01:01:29,964 QAEDA. 1608 01:01:34,068 --> 01:01:35,737 WE NEEDED TO GET REAL-TIME 1609 01:01:35,737 --> 01:01:37,772 INFORMATION AS FAST AS WE 1610 01:01:37,772 --> 01:01:39,340 POSSIBLY COULD TO PROTECT THE 1611 01:01:39,340 --> 01:01:40,907 COUNTRY AND ENSURE THERE WASN'T 1612 01:01:40,907 --> 01:01:43,777 ANOTHER ATTACK ON THE HOMELAND. 1613 01:01:43,777 --> 01:01:45,212 Narrator: THE C.I.A. UNDER 1614 01:01:45,212 --> 01:01:46,980 GEORGE TENET NOW EMBARKS ON A 1615 01:01:46,980 --> 01:01:48,715 CONTROVERSIAL INTERROGATION 1616 01:01:48,715 --> 01:01:51,218 PROGRAM THAT WILL COME BACK TO 1617 01:01:51,218 --> 01:01:54,821 HAUNT IT, ONE THAT BEGINS WITH A 1618 01:01:54,821 --> 01:01:57,758 SINGLE PRISONER. 1619 01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:01,827 ABU ZUBAYDAH WAS A MAJOR 1620 01:02:01,827 --> 01:02:03,562 TERRORIST FACILITATOR AND 1621 01:02:03,562 --> 01:02:05,598 PLANNER ON THE PART OF AL QAEDA. 1622 01:02:05,598 --> 01:02:07,800 WE BELIEVED THAT HE HAD 1623 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,335 IMPORTANT AND SIGNIFICANT 1624 01:02:09,335 --> 01:02:12,438 INFORMATION TO PROVIDE. 1625 01:02:16,308 --> 01:02:18,543 AND THROUGH AN INCREDIBLY 1626 01:02:18,543 --> 01:02:21,413 DIFFICULT TARGETING EFFORT, WE 1627 01:02:21,413 --> 01:02:24,215 WERE ABLE TO FINALLY CAPTURE HIM 1628 01:02:24,215 --> 01:02:27,819 IN MARCH OF 2002. 1629 01:02:29,921 --> 01:02:31,389 THERE WAS A FIREFIGHT AND ABU 1630 01:02:31,389 --> 01:02:34,292 ZUBAYDAH IS SEVERELY WOUNDED, SO 1631 01:02:34,292 --> 01:02:37,828 WE NEEDED TO TAKE HIM SOMEWHERE 1632 01:02:37,828 --> 01:02:39,930 WHERE WE COULD INTERROGATE HIM 1633 01:02:39,930 --> 01:02:41,865 OURSELVES, AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC 1634 01:02:41,865 --> 01:02:46,003 LIGHT. 1635 01:02:46,003 --> 01:02:47,538 WE NEEDED A PLACE TO TALK TO 1636 01:02:47,538 --> 01:02:48,739 THEM. 1637 01:02:48,739 --> 01:02:50,507 WHERE'S THAT GOING TO BE? 1638 01:02:50,507 --> 01:02:51,809 IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT A 1639 01:02:51,809 --> 01:02:53,310 JAILHOUSE IN PAKISTAN, YOU'RE 1640 01:02:53,310 --> 01:02:55,011 GOING TO GET A HUGELY BAD 1641 01:02:55,011 --> 01:02:56,479 OUTCOME BECAUSE: A, NOTHING'S 1642 01:02:56,479 --> 01:02:57,980 GOING TO BE SECRET AND PROBABLY 1643 01:02:57,980 --> 01:02:59,148 NOBODY IS GOING TO SURVIVE THE 1644 01:02:59,148 --> 01:03:00,516 SESSION, PLUS THERE WILL BE A 1645 01:03:00,516 --> 01:03:01,718 RIOT ON THE MAIN STREET IN ABOUT 1646 01:03:01,718 --> 01:03:05,655 15 MINUTES. 1647 01:03:05,655 --> 01:03:06,856 SHOULD WE BRING THEM BACK TO 1648 01:03:06,856 --> 01:03:08,091 THE UNITED STATES? 1649 01:03:08,091 --> 01:03:09,292 GIVE THEM THE FULL PROTECTION OF 1650 01:03:09,292 --> 01:03:11,194 THE U.S. CONSTITUTION? 1651 01:03:11,194 --> 01:03:13,929 ALLOW THEM TO HAVE LAWYERS 1652 01:03:13,929 --> 01:03:15,731 PRESENT TO PROTECT THEIR RIGHTS 1653 01:03:15,731 --> 01:03:16,932 AS IF THEY WERE AMERICAN 1654 01:03:16,932 --> 01:03:17,999 CITIZENS? 1655 01:03:17,999 --> 01:03:19,067 I'D LIKE TO KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU 1656 01:03:19,067 --> 01:03:20,135 GOING TO TELL THE DIRECTOR OF 1657 01:03:20,135 --> 01:03:25,607 CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE TO DO? 1658 01:03:25,607 --> 01:03:26,408 Narrator: IN ORDER TO 1659 01:03:26,408 --> 01:03:27,976 INTERROGATE THEIR PRISONERS, THE 1660 01:03:27,976 --> 01:03:29,678 C.I.A. CREATES A NETWORK OF 1661 01:03:29,678 --> 01:03:33,681 SO-CALLED BLACK SITES, SECRET 1662 01:03:33,681 --> 01:03:35,416 PRISONS THAT EVENTUALLY WILL 1663 01:03:35,416 --> 01:03:37,618 HOLD AT LEAST 119 SUSPECTED AL 1664 01:03:37,618 --> 01:03:41,021 QAEDA TERRORISTS. 1665 01:03:43,324 --> 01:03:45,626 IN CHARGE OF THE SITES IS JOSE 1666 01:03:45,626 --> 01:03:47,561 RODRIGUEZ. 1667 01:03:47,561 --> 01:03:49,063 THE BLACK SITES WERE 1668 01:03:49,063 --> 01:03:52,132 INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING US GAIN 1669 01:03:52,132 --> 01:03:55,034 VERY INVALUABLE INFORMATION. 1670 01:03:55,034 --> 01:03:56,336 SOME CRITICS MIGHT SAY, 1671 01:03:56,336 --> 01:03:57,904 "WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU WANTED 1672 01:03:57,904 --> 01:03:59,506 TO BE ABLE TO ABUSE THIS GUY. 1673 01:03:59,506 --> 01:04:00,740 YOU DIDN'T WANT ANY RULES. 1674 01:04:00,740 --> 01:04:01,574 YOU WANTED TO..." 1675 01:04:01,574 --> 01:04:03,042 WELL, THAT'S... 1676 01:04:03,042 --> 01:04:03,643 "...TORTURE THE GUY." 1677 01:04:03,643 --> 01:04:04,177 THAT'S BULLSHIT. 1678 01:04:04,177 --> 01:04:06,212 WE GET ACCUSED BY HUMAN RIGHT 1679 01:04:06,212 --> 01:04:10,015 ACTIVISTS THAT WE CREATED THIS 1680 01:04:10,015 --> 01:04:11,750 BLACK SITE IN ORDER TO ABUSE 1681 01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:12,751 PEOPLE. 1682 01:04:12,751 --> 01:04:17,256 IN FACT, BY ACCEPTING PRISONERS, 1683 01:04:17,256 --> 01:04:19,191 WE ACTUALLY BECAME RESPONSIBLE 1684 01:04:19,191 --> 01:04:21,960 FOR THEM, FOR THEIR HEALTH, FOR 1685 01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,964 THEM TOTALLY. 1686 01:04:29,167 --> 01:04:31,602 ABU ZUBAYDAH HAD PROVIDED SOME 1687 01:04:31,602 --> 01:04:34,071 EARLY USEFUL INFORMATION, AND 1688 01:04:34,071 --> 01:04:36,674 THEN HE STOPPED TALKING. 1689 01:04:36,674 --> 01:04:38,176 GEORGE TENET WAS GOING TO THE 1690 01:04:38,176 --> 01:04:39,710 WHITE HOUSE EVERY DAY AND THE 1691 01:04:39,710 --> 01:04:41,579 PRESIDENT WAS ASKING GEORGE, 1692 01:04:41,579 --> 01:04:44,115 "WHAT IS ABU ZUBAYDAH SAYING 1693 01:04:44,115 --> 01:04:45,715 ABOUT THE SECOND WAVE OF ATTACKS 1694 01:04:45,715 --> 01:04:46,783 AND ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER 1695 01:04:46,783 --> 01:04:47,651 PROGRAMS?" 1696 01:04:47,651 --> 01:04:48,718 WELL, HE WAS NOT SAYING 1697 01:04:48,718 --> 01:04:51,021 ANYTHING, AND WE KNEW WE HAD TO 1698 01:04:51,021 --> 01:04:52,689 DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 1699 01:04:52,689 --> 01:04:54,991 AND OVER THE SUMMER MONTHS OF 1700 01:04:54,991 --> 01:04:57,994 2002 PUT TOGETHER WHAT BECAME 1701 01:04:57,994 --> 01:04:59,396 THE ENHANCED INTERROGATION 1702 01:04:59,396 --> 01:05:04,433 PROGRAM. 1703 01:05:04,433 --> 01:05:05,968 Narrator: TO RUN ITS PROGRAM, 1704 01:05:05,968 --> 01:05:07,169 THE C.I.A. HIRES TWO 1705 01:05:07,169 --> 01:05:08,504 PSYCHOLOGISTS WHO HAD TRAINED 1706 01:05:08,504 --> 01:05:10,406 U.S. AIRMEN TO RESIST ENEMY 1707 01:05:10,406 --> 01:05:11,607 TORTURE. 1708 01:05:11,607 --> 01:05:12,842 THEY HAVE NO EXPERIENCE IN 1709 01:05:12,842 --> 01:05:14,710 INTERROGATION AND NO KNOWLEDGE 1710 01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:17,079 OF AL QAEDA, BUT THEIR COMPANY 1711 01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:19,548 IS PAID A STAGGERING SUM OF $81 1712 01:05:19,548 --> 01:05:23,918 MILLION. 1713 01:05:23,918 --> 01:05:24,919 A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT 1714 01:05:24,919 --> 01:05:26,554 "JUST HAVE TEA WITH THE GUY AND 1715 01:05:26,554 --> 01:05:28,423 ESTABLISH SOME SORT OF RAPPORT." 1716 01:05:28,423 --> 01:05:29,991 I GET IT. 1717 01:05:29,991 --> 01:05:33,094 I GET THAT IF YOU'VE GOT TIME. 1718 01:05:33,094 --> 01:05:34,562 WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME. 1719 01:05:34,562 --> 01:05:35,730 WE NEEDED TO ACCELERATE THE 1720 01:05:35,730 --> 01:05:38,867 PROCESS. 1721 01:05:38,867 --> 01:05:40,101 WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WAS TO 1722 01:05:40,101 --> 01:05:42,402 MOVE INDIVIDUALS FROM A ZONE OF 1723 01:05:42,402 --> 01:05:44,738 DEFIANCE INTO A ZONE OF 1724 01:05:44,738 --> 01:05:47,007 COOPERATION, AND THEN THE 1725 01:05:47,007 --> 01:05:50,711 INTELLIGENCE GATHERING BEGAN. 1726 01:05:53,113 --> 01:05:54,381 Narrator: UNDER C.I.A. 1727 01:05:54,381 --> 01:05:56,250 SUPERVISION, DETAINEES WOULD BE 1728 01:05:56,250 --> 01:05:59,086 SLAPPED AND GRABBED; DEPRIVED OF 1729 01:05:59,086 --> 01:06:02,722 SLEEP; FORCED ONTO LIQUID DIETS; 1730 01:06:02,722 --> 01:06:04,824 EVEN CONFINED IN A COFFIN-LIKE 1731 01:06:04,824 --> 01:06:09,929 BOX WITH LIVE INSECTS. 1732 01:06:09,929 --> 01:06:11,464 THERE WAS NUDITY. 1733 01:06:11,464 --> 01:06:12,965 THERE WAS WATER DOUSING, CRAMPED 1734 01:06:12,965 --> 01:06:15,635 CONFINEMENT, STRESS POSITIONS. 1735 01:06:15,635 --> 01:06:16,702 Narrator: AND THEN THERE IS A 1736 01:06:16,702 --> 01:06:18,403 TECHNIQUE MADE INFAMOUS BY 1737 01:06:18,403 --> 01:06:21,139 HOLLYWOOD: WATERBOARDING. 1738 01:06:21,139 --> 01:06:22,707 WHERE WAS THE LAST TIME YOU 1739 01:06:22,707 --> 01:06:24,209 SAW BIN LADEN? 1740 01:06:24,209 --> 01:06:25,911 WHERE WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW 1741 01:06:25,911 --> 01:06:28,413 BIN LADEN, HUH? 1742 01:06:28,413 --> 01:06:30,982 WHEN YOU LIE TO ME, I HURT YOU. 1743 01:06:30,982 --> 01:06:32,884 THE OPENING SCENE OF "ZERO 1744 01:06:32,884 --> 01:06:35,186 DARK THIRTY," WHERE YOU SEE ALL 1745 01:06:35,186 --> 01:06:38,088 THESE PRISONERS BEING ABUSED BY 1746 01:06:38,088 --> 01:06:41,959 C.I.A. OFFICERS, SPONTANEOUS 1747 01:06:41,959 --> 01:06:44,261 WATERBOARDING WITH A PAIL-- 1748 01:06:44,261 --> 01:06:47,197 TOTAL BULLSHIT. 1749 01:06:47,197 --> 01:06:48,899 MADE UP STUFF. 1750 01:06:48,899 --> 01:06:50,834 WATERBOARDING AS PRACTICED BY 1751 01:06:50,834 --> 01:06:53,904 THE CHINESE, THE NAZIS, THE 1752 01:06:53,904 --> 01:06:57,140 SPANISH INQUISITION IS TORTURE 1753 01:06:57,140 --> 01:06:59,175 AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN TORTURE. 1754 01:06:59,175 --> 01:07:00,543 BUT THE WATERBOARDING THAT WAS 1755 01:07:00,543 --> 01:07:03,579 APPLIED WAS DIFFERENT, OKAY. 1756 01:07:03,579 --> 01:07:04,781 HOW IS IT DIFFERENT? 1757 01:07:04,781 --> 01:07:06,149 IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT 1758 01:07:06,149 --> 01:07:07,383 DOESN'T USE AS MUCH WATER. 1759 01:07:07,383 --> 01:07:14,089 THEY DON'T DROWN ANYBODY. 1760 01:07:14,089 --> 01:07:16,191 THE BODY RESPONDS AS IF THE 1761 01:07:16,191 --> 01:07:18,093 BODY THINKS ITS DROWNING. 1762 01:07:18,093 --> 01:07:19,594 AM I HAPPY WE HAD TO DO IT? 1763 01:07:19,594 --> 01:07:21,363 OF COURSE NOT. 1764 01:07:21,363 --> 01:07:23,966 WE HAD DOCTORS THERE TO MAKE 1765 01:07:23,966 --> 01:07:26,835 SURE THAT NO HARM CAME TO THE 1766 01:07:26,835 --> 01:07:27,970 INDIVIDUAL. 1767 01:07:27,970 --> 01:07:30,639 I'M NOT TRYING TO MINIMIZE HOW 1768 01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:34,709 UNPLEASANT THIS TECHNIQUE WAS. 1769 01:07:34,709 --> 01:07:36,844 IT IS NOT TORTURE. 1770 01:07:36,844 --> 01:07:38,346 YOU KNOW, LAWYERS LOOKED AT 1771 01:07:38,346 --> 01:07:39,447 THIS. 1772 01:07:39,447 --> 01:07:40,681 HAD THEY SAID, THIS IS TORTURE, 1773 01:07:40,681 --> 01:07:42,283 WE WOULD NOT DO IT. 1774 01:07:42,283 --> 01:07:43,651 THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT 1775 01:07:43,651 --> 01:07:47,755 HAPPENS HERE IS THESE TECHNIQUES 1776 01:07:47,755 --> 01:07:49,290 AND THE PROPOSAL TO USE THESE 1777 01:07:49,290 --> 01:07:51,491 TECHNIQUES ON ANY HUMAN BEING 1778 01:07:51,491 --> 01:07:52,759 ARE SENT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF 1779 01:07:52,759 --> 01:07:54,060 JUSTICE IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE WE 1780 01:07:54,060 --> 01:07:55,695 WANT TO KNOW THAT IT IS LEGAL 1781 01:07:55,695 --> 01:07:57,897 UNDER U.S. LAW AND DOES NOT IN 1782 01:07:57,897 --> 01:08:00,033 ANY WAY COMPROMISE OUR ADHERENCE 1783 01:08:00,033 --> 01:08:01,267 TO INTERNATIONAL TORTURE 1784 01:08:01,267 --> 01:08:02,102 STATUTES. 1785 01:08:02,102 --> 01:08:03,336 AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE 1786 01:08:03,336 --> 01:08:05,405 UNITED STATES TOLD US THAT IT 1787 01:08:05,405 --> 01:08:06,539 DID NOT. 1788 01:08:06,539 --> 01:08:08,541 IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT 1789 01:08:08,541 --> 01:08:09,775 THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED 1790 01:08:09,775 --> 01:08:11,543 STATES AUTHORIZED THESE 1791 01:08:11,543 --> 01:08:12,878 TECHNIQUES. 1792 01:08:12,878 --> 01:08:13,979 THE PRESIDENT READ THE MEMO, 1793 01:08:13,979 --> 01:08:15,114 LOOKED AT THE TECHNIQUES AND 1794 01:08:15,114 --> 01:08:16,281 DECIDED HE WAS GOING TO TAKE TWO 1795 01:08:16,281 --> 01:08:17,649 TECHNIQUES OFF THE TABLE 1796 01:08:17,649 --> 01:08:18,617 HIMSELF. 1797 01:08:18,617 --> 01:08:20,019 I DO NOT KNOW NOR DO I RECALL 1798 01:08:20,019 --> 01:08:21,320 WHAT TECHNIQUES WERE TAKEN OFF 1799 01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:22,488 THE TABLE. 1800 01:08:22,488 --> 01:08:24,223 ONLY THREE DETAINEES WERE 1801 01:08:24,223 --> 01:08:25,824 EVER WATERBOARDED, BY THE WAY. 1802 01:08:25,824 --> 01:08:28,426 THREE KILLERS THAT HAD AMERICAN 1803 01:08:28,426 --> 01:08:29,360 BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS WERE 1804 01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:30,762 WATERBOARDED BY US. 1805 01:08:30,762 --> 01:08:32,230 GIVE ME A BREAK. 1806 01:08:32,230 --> 01:08:37,802 GIVE ME A BREAK. 1807 01:08:37,802 --> 01:08:39,137 Narrator: BUT THERE ARE SOME 1808 01:08:39,137 --> 01:08:42,273 INSIDE THE C.I.A. WHO HAVE GRAVE 1809 01:08:42,273 --> 01:08:46,276 DOUBTS. 1810 01:08:46,276 --> 01:08:47,377 THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THOSE 1811 01:08:47,377 --> 01:08:50,113 TECHNIQUES THAT I PERSONALLY 1812 01:08:50,113 --> 01:08:54,918 FELT WERE INAPPROPRIATE, NOT 1813 01:08:54,918 --> 01:09:00,824 NECESSARY, BEYOND THE PALE. 1814 01:09:00,824 --> 01:09:02,592 I WAS NOT IN THE... IN THE CHAIN 1815 01:09:02,592 --> 01:09:03,860 OF COMMAND, BUT I WAS A C.I.A. 1816 01:09:03,860 --> 01:09:04,327 OFFICER. 1817 01:09:04,327 --> 01:09:05,361 I WAS A SENIOR C.I.A. OFFICER AT 1818 01:09:05,361 --> 01:09:07,630 THE TIME, AND I HAD EXPRESSED 1819 01:09:07,630 --> 01:09:13,269 MY... MY DISCOMFORT AND MY... MY 1820 01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:16,272 CONCERNS ABOUT THESE TECHNIQUES, 1821 01:09:16,272 --> 01:09:17,506 BELIEVING THAT THEY WERE GOING 1822 01:09:17,506 --> 01:09:21,143 TO COME BACK TO HAUNT US, THE 1823 01:09:21,143 --> 01:09:22,445 C.I.A. 1824 01:09:22,445 --> 01:09:24,379 I DID THAT WITH INDIVIDUALS, 1825 01:09:24,379 --> 01:09:25,914 COLLEAGUES AT THE AGENCY. 1826 01:09:25,914 --> 01:09:27,882 DID HE EVER COME AND COMPLAIN 1827 01:09:27,882 --> 01:09:28,883 TO YOU ABOUT THE 1828 01:09:28,883 --> 01:09:29,584 ENHANCED-INTERROGATION 1829 01:09:29,584 --> 01:09:30,418 TECHNIQUES? 1830 01:09:30,418 --> 01:09:31,152 NOPE. 1831 01:09:31,152 --> 01:09:32,253 HE NEVER CAME TO YOU AND 1832 01:09:32,253 --> 01:09:33,688 SAID, "HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, 1833 01:09:33,688 --> 01:09:34,689 GEORGE? 1834 01:09:34,689 --> 01:09:35,824 I THINK THIS IS WRONG"? 1835 01:09:35,824 --> 01:09:36,558 NOPE. 1836 01:09:36,558 --> 01:09:37,192 HE NEVER DID? 1837 01:09:37,192 --> 01:09:38,226 NOPE. 1838 01:09:38,226 --> 01:09:40,562 IT'S NOT AS THOUGH I WENT UP 1839 01:09:40,562 --> 01:09:41,795 AND DOWN THE HALLS OF THE C.I.A. 1840 01:09:41,795 --> 01:09:42,629 AND SAID, "WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING 1841 01:09:42,629 --> 01:09:43,297 THIS, WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING 1842 01:09:43,297 --> 01:09:43,864 THIS." 1843 01:09:43,864 --> 01:09:45,365 LOOKING BACK ON IT NOW, SHOULD I 1844 01:09:45,365 --> 01:09:48,001 HAVE SPOKEN OUT MORE LOUDLY 1845 01:09:48,001 --> 01:09:49,670 ABOUT IT? 1846 01:09:49,670 --> 01:09:51,605 MAYBE. 1847 01:09:51,605 --> 01:09:54,641 I THINK ABOUT THAT A LOT. 1848 01:09:54,641 --> 01:09:56,777 NOW YOU SAY THAT THIS PROGRAM 1849 01:09:56,777 --> 01:09:58,812 WAS CAREFULLY MANAGED. 1850 01:09:58,812 --> 01:10:00,114 YES. 1851 01:10:00,114 --> 01:10:01,714 DID ANYBODY DIE? 1852 01:10:01,714 --> 01:10:03,950 AT THE BEGINNING OF 2002 WHEN 1853 01:10:03,950 --> 01:10:06,986 WE STARTED TO TAKE PRISONERS, WE 1854 01:10:06,986 --> 01:10:08,521 JUST DID NOT KNOW WHAT WE WERE 1855 01:10:08,521 --> 01:10:09,522 DOING. 1856 01:10:09,522 --> 01:10:10,923 WE ARE NOT JAILERS. 1857 01:10:10,923 --> 01:10:13,159 WE DON'T HAVE THOSE SKILLS. 1858 01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:15,895 AND ABUSES WERE MADE, AND WE 1859 01:10:15,895 --> 01:10:17,530 HAVE 'FESSED UP TO THOSE. 1860 01:10:17,530 --> 01:10:18,564 EARLY ON IN THE PROGRAM, 1861 01:10:18,564 --> 01:10:19,764 THERE WERE TERRIBLE MISTAKES 1862 01:10:19,764 --> 01:10:20,365 MADE. 1863 01:10:20,365 --> 01:10:21,666 THERE WERE IMMEDIATE JUSTICE 1864 01:10:21,666 --> 01:10:23,001 DEPARTMENT REFERRALS MADE. 1865 01:10:23,001 --> 01:10:24,236 AND TWO PEOPLE DID DIE, AND IT'S 1866 01:10:24,236 --> 01:10:26,371 REGRETTABLE. 1867 01:10:26,371 --> 01:10:27,639 Narrator: ONE DETAINEE, 1868 01:10:27,639 --> 01:10:29,074 SEVERELY INJURED DURING HIS 1869 01:10:29,074 --> 01:10:31,143 CAPTURE, IS LEFT UNTREATED 1870 01:10:31,143 --> 01:10:33,011 DURING A C.I.A. INTERROGATION AT 1871 01:10:33,011 --> 01:10:36,982 AN IRAQI PRISON AND DIES. 1872 01:10:36,982 --> 01:10:39,383 ANOTHER IS SHACKLED HALF-NAKED 1873 01:10:39,383 --> 01:10:41,986 ON A COLD FLOOR AT A C.I.A. 1874 01:10:41,986 --> 01:10:45,022 BLACK SITE IN AFGHANISTAN. 1875 01:10:45,022 --> 01:10:51,195 HE IS FOUND DEAD OF HYPOTHERMIA. 1876 01:10:51,195 --> 01:10:52,696 NO CHARGES ARE EVER BROUGHT 1877 01:10:52,696 --> 01:10:55,132 AGAINST THE OFFICERS INVOLVED. 1878 01:10:55,132 --> 01:10:57,934 IT'S AWFUL THAT THOSE THINGS 1879 01:10:57,934 --> 01:11:00,336 HAPPEN, BUT HAPPEN... SHIT 1880 01:11:00,336 --> 01:11:01,437 HAPPENS, YOU KNOW. 1881 01:11:01,437 --> 01:11:02,739 I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE WERE AT 1882 01:11:02,739 --> 01:11:04,140 WAR. 1883 01:11:04,140 --> 01:11:07,777 THE FOG OF WAR. 1884 01:11:07,777 --> 01:11:08,845 Narrator: SOME C.I.A. 1885 01:11:08,845 --> 01:11:10,113 OFFICERS WHO WITNESS THE 1886 01:11:10,113 --> 01:11:13,316 INTERROGATIONS ARE SO DISTURBED 1887 01:11:13,316 --> 01:11:18,387 THEY BREAK DOWN IN TEARS. 1888 01:11:18,387 --> 01:11:19,655 MY PERSONAL VIEW IS, "THANK 1889 01:11:19,655 --> 01:11:22,524 GOD," ALL RIGHT? 1890 01:11:22,524 --> 01:11:24,426 I WOULD NOT WANT ANYONE IN THAT 1891 01:11:24,426 --> 01:11:26,361 ROOM DOING THIS TO ANOTHER HUMAN 1892 01:11:26,361 --> 01:11:28,630 BEING IF THEY WERE NOT 1893 01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:31,600 EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED BY WHAT IT 1894 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,536 WAS THEY FELT THEY HAD TO DO. 1895 01:11:35,536 --> 01:11:37,772 LOOK, HE'S A TERRORIST, BUT HE'S 1896 01:11:37,772 --> 01:11:40,708 ALSO A PERSON, AND I WOULD NEVER 1897 01:11:40,708 --> 01:11:43,711 WANT AGENCY OFFICERS TO FORGET 1898 01:11:43,711 --> 01:11:47,381 BOTH REALITIES. 1899 01:11:52,452 --> 01:11:53,954 Narrator: GEORGE TENET SAYS 1900 01:11:53,954 --> 01:11:55,722 THAT ABU ZUBAYDAH, HIS 1901 01:11:55,722 --> 01:11:57,691 RESISTANCE WEAKENED, GIVES UP A 1902 01:11:57,691 --> 01:11:59,292 VALUABLE LEAD TO THE WHEREABOUTS 1903 01:11:59,292 --> 01:12:01,361 OF AN AL QAEDA TERRORIST SECOND 1904 01:12:01,361 --> 01:12:03,697 IN IMPORTANCE ONLY TO OSAMA BIN 1905 01:12:03,697 --> 01:12:07,267 LADEN HIMSELF. 1906 01:12:07,267 --> 01:12:09,536 KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMED, THE 1907 01:12:09,536 --> 01:12:11,337 ARCHITECT OF 9/11, WAS CAPTURED 1908 01:12:11,337 --> 01:12:13,272 AS A RESULT OF AN ELABORATE 1909 01:12:13,272 --> 01:12:15,274 HUMAN OPERATION THAT WAS 1910 01:12:15,274 --> 01:12:17,843 INFORMED BY DATA THAT 1911 01:12:17,843 --> 01:12:22,214 INTERROGATED DETAINEES GAVE US. 1912 01:12:22,214 --> 01:12:23,916 WE TOOK HIM TO A BLACK SITE 1913 01:12:23,916 --> 01:12:25,184 WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THE 1914 01:12:25,184 --> 01:12:27,386 OPPORTUNITY TO DEBRIEF HIM ON 1915 01:12:27,386 --> 01:12:29,287 WHAT HE KNEW ABOUT THREATS 1916 01:12:29,287 --> 01:12:33,091 AGAINST OUR HOMELAND. 1917 01:12:33,091 --> 01:12:37,228 HE WAS SMART, SCARY SMART. 1918 01:12:37,228 --> 01:12:38,863 HANNIBAL LECTER. 1919 01:12:38,863 --> 01:12:40,632 PURE EVIL. 1920 01:12:40,632 --> 01:12:43,668 THE TYPE OF INDIVIDUAL THAT IS 1921 01:12:43,668 --> 01:12:47,904 ABLE TO DREAM UP DIFFERENT WAYS 1922 01:12:47,904 --> 01:12:51,041 OF KILLING US. 1923 01:12:51,041 --> 01:12:52,676 WE ASKED HIM, "WHAT DO YOU KNOW 1924 01:12:52,676 --> 01:12:55,712 ABOUT PLOTS AGAINST THE U.S.?" 1925 01:12:55,712 --> 01:12:57,481 AND HIS ANSWER WAS, "SOON YOU 1926 01:12:57,481 --> 01:13:00,350 WILL KNOW," WHICH WAS A CHILLING 1927 01:13:00,350 --> 01:13:04,021 RESPONSE BECAUSE WE ALSO KNEW 1928 01:13:04,021 --> 01:13:05,622 THAT HE WAS PLANNING A SECOND 1929 01:13:05,622 --> 01:13:09,659 WAVE OF ATTACKS. 1930 01:13:09,659 --> 01:13:11,294 MY NAME IS DANIEL PEARL. 1931 01:13:11,294 --> 01:13:12,895 I'M A JEWISH AMERICAN. 1932 01:13:12,895 --> 01:13:15,631 HE EVENTUALLY CONFESSED TO 1933 01:13:15,631 --> 01:13:18,734 THE KILLING OF DANIEL PEARL, THE 1934 01:13:18,734 --> 01:13:22,104 "WALL STREET JOURNAL" REPORTER. 1935 01:13:22,104 --> 01:13:23,272 AND IT WAS LIKE A MATTER OF 1936 01:13:23,272 --> 01:13:24,806 FACT. 1937 01:13:24,806 --> 01:13:27,442 HE SAID, "LOOK, I KILLED HIM. 1938 01:13:27,442 --> 01:13:29,878 I SLAUGHTERED HIM, CUT HIM INTO 1939 01:13:29,878 --> 01:13:31,379 PIECES. 1940 01:13:31,379 --> 01:13:35,684 I PUT HIM IN A SHALLOW GRAVE." 1941 01:13:35,684 --> 01:13:37,652 HE ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAVE A 1942 01:13:37,652 --> 01:13:39,888 PROBLEM WITH WATERBOARDING. 1943 01:13:39,888 --> 01:13:43,857 HE WITHSTOOD WATERBOARDING. 1944 01:13:43,857 --> 01:13:47,795 KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMED KNEW THAT 1945 01:13:47,795 --> 01:13:49,897 IN ALL LIKELIHOOD WE WOULD STOP 1946 01:13:49,897 --> 01:13:51,799 AT TEN SECONDS, AND HE WOULD 1947 01:13:51,799 --> 01:13:53,534 COUNT WITH HIS FINGERS. 1948 01:13:53,534 --> 01:13:56,904 HE WOULD GO AND THEN LOOK AT US 1949 01:13:56,904 --> 01:13:58,472 LIKE, "YOU KNOW, HEY, IT'S TIME 1950 01:13:58,472 --> 01:13:59,840 TO STOP." 1951 01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:01,841 HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE 1952 01:14:01,841 --> 01:14:04,944 ACCUMULATION OF TECHNIQUES... 1953 01:14:04,944 --> 01:14:07,046 AND I THINK SLEEP DEPRIVATION 1954 01:14:07,046 --> 01:14:10,483 FINALLY LED HIM TO BECOME 1955 01:14:10,483 --> 01:14:12,051 COMPLIANT. 1956 01:14:12,051 --> 01:14:13,553 AFTERWARDS, HE WOULDN'T STOP 1957 01:14:13,553 --> 01:14:16,756 TALKING. 1958 01:14:16,756 --> 01:14:18,024 Narrator: WATERBOARDED AND 1959 01:14:18,024 --> 01:14:19,726 SLEEP-DEPRIVED, KHALID SHEIK 1960 01:14:19,726 --> 01:14:21,426 MUHAMMED WOULD INADVERTENTLY 1961 01:14:21,426 --> 01:14:22,961 HELP POINT THE C.I.A. TO ITS 1962 01:14:22,961 --> 01:14:24,963 ULTIMATE TARGET: OSAMA BIN 1963 01:14:24,963 --> 01:14:26,198 LADEN. 1964 01:14:26,198 --> 01:14:27,799 IT WAS ONLY WHEN A NUMBER OF 1965 01:14:27,799 --> 01:14:30,769 DETAINEES AFTER INTERROGATION 1966 01:14:30,769 --> 01:14:33,105 REVEALED THAT INDEED BIN LADEN 1967 01:14:33,105 --> 01:14:34,373 HAD SENT A MESSAGE TO HIS 1968 01:14:34,373 --> 01:14:35,807 OPERATIONS CHIEF VIA THIS 1969 01:14:35,807 --> 01:14:37,642 COURIER THAT FLAGGED THIS 1970 01:14:37,642 --> 01:14:39,910 COURIER AND CAUSED HIM TO RISE 1971 01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:41,212 TO THE TOP OF THE MANY 1972 01:14:41,212 --> 01:14:42,613 CANDIDATES OF PEOPLE WE COULD 1973 01:14:42,613 --> 01:14:43,748 FOLLOW. 1974 01:14:43,748 --> 01:14:45,850 WE THEN RAISED ABU AHMED AL 1975 01:14:45,850 --> 01:14:48,352 KUWAITI AS A NAME TO KHALID 1976 01:14:48,352 --> 01:14:49,754 SHEIK MOHAMMED, WHO, AT THAT 1977 01:14:49,754 --> 01:14:50,821 POINT, HAD BECOME LARGELY 1978 01:14:50,821 --> 01:14:51,689 COOPERATIVE. 1979 01:14:51,689 --> 01:14:52,957 AND THEN, SINCE WE'VE GOT THE 1980 01:14:52,957 --> 01:14:55,926 PLACE WIRED, WE HEAR K.S.M. TELL 1981 01:14:55,926 --> 01:14:58,027 OTHER DETAINEES, "DON'T TALK 1982 01:14:58,027 --> 01:14:59,396 ABOUT THE COURIER." 1983 01:14:59,396 --> 01:15:01,164 AND OUR FOLKS IN THE BIN LADEN 1984 01:15:01,164 --> 01:15:04,667 CELL GO AFTER ABU AHMED ONE 1985 01:15:04,667 --> 01:15:06,970 GRAIN OF SAND AT A TIME, 1986 01:15:06,970 --> 01:15:09,072 IDENTIFY HIM AND FOLLOW HIM 1987 01:15:09,072 --> 01:15:12,675 EVENTUALLY TO ABBOTTABAD. 1988 01:15:16,979 --> 01:15:17,679 Narrator: THE MISSION THAT 1989 01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:19,515 WOULD KILL OSAMA BIN LADEN-- 1990 01:15:19,515 --> 01:15:21,784 OPERATION NEPTUNE SPEAR-- WOULD 1991 01:15:21,784 --> 01:15:24,219 BE A C.I.A. COVERT OPERATION, 1992 01:15:24,219 --> 01:15:25,587 THE CHAIN OF COMMAND GOING 1993 01:15:25,587 --> 01:15:27,389 STRAIGHT FROM THE PRESIDENT TO 1994 01:15:27,389 --> 01:15:29,491 C.I.A. DIRECTOR PANETTA TO THE 1995 01:15:29,491 --> 01:15:31,326 NAVY SEALS. 1996 01:15:31,326 --> 01:15:33,128 TONIGHT, I CAN REPORT TO THE 1997 01:15:33,128 --> 01:15:35,430 AMERICAN PEOPLE AND TO THE WORLD 1998 01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:36,798 THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS 1999 01:15:36,798 --> 01:15:38,132 CONDUCTED AN OPERATION THAT 2000 01:15:38,132 --> 01:15:40,535 KILLED OSAMA BIN LADEN, THE 2001 01:15:40,535 --> 01:15:42,403 LEADER OF AL QAEDA... 2002 01:15:42,403 --> 01:15:46,841 U.S.A., U.S.A., U.S.A.! 2003 01:15:46,841 --> 01:15:48,776 HEARING PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE 2004 01:15:48,776 --> 01:15:50,411 GATES OF THE WHITE HOUSE 2005 01:15:50,411 --> 01:15:53,079 CHANTING, "U.S.A., U.S.A., 2006 01:15:53,079 --> 01:15:57,117 C.I.A.," IT WAS SOMETHING THAT 2007 01:15:57,117 --> 01:15:59,085 WILL BE A MEMORY THAT I'LL HAVE 2008 01:15:59,085 --> 01:16:02,389 FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. 2009 01:16:08,995 --> 01:16:10,530 THE C.I.A.'S ENHANCED 2010 01:16:10,530 --> 01:16:12,264 INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES WERE 2011 01:16:12,264 --> 01:16:14,200 NOT AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO GATHER 2012 01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,669 INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION. 2013 01:16:16,669 --> 01:16:18,938 THE C.I.A. PROVIDED INACCURATE 2014 01:16:18,938 --> 01:16:21,607 INFORMATION TO THE WHITE HOUSE, 2015 01:16:21,607 --> 01:16:23,609 THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, 2016 01:16:23,609 --> 01:16:24,543 CONGRESS. 2017 01:16:24,543 --> 01:16:27,079 THE C.I.A. PROGRAM WAS FAR MORE 2018 01:16:27,079 --> 01:16:29,281 BRUTAL THAN PEOPLE WERE LED TO 2019 01:16:29,281 --> 01:16:32,851 BELIEVE. 2020 01:16:32,851 --> 01:16:34,285 THE COUNTRY DESERVED A 2021 01:16:34,285 --> 01:16:35,620 THOUGHTFUL ASSESSMENT OF WHAT 2022 01:16:35,620 --> 01:16:36,888 HAPPENED IN THE IMMEDIATE YEARS 2023 01:16:36,888 --> 01:16:38,156 AFTER 9/11. 2024 01:16:38,156 --> 01:16:40,625 THAT'S NOT WHAT WE GOT. 2025 01:16:40,625 --> 01:16:42,227 THEY DID THINGS WHICH I 2026 01:16:42,227 --> 01:16:44,062 REALLY CONSIDER IMMORAL. 2027 01:16:44,062 --> 01:16:45,363 C.I.A. INTERROGATORS USED 2028 01:16:45,363 --> 01:16:47,131 BRUTAL TECHNIQUES THAT WENT WELL 2029 01:16:47,131 --> 01:16:48,799 BEYOND THE LIMITS OF THE LAW. 2030 01:16:48,799 --> 01:16:50,033 SOME OF THESE PRACTICES 2031 01:16:50,033 --> 01:16:51,368 AMOUNTED TO TORTURE. 2032 01:16:51,368 --> 01:16:52,603 WE WERE VERY CAREFUL TO STOP 2033 01:16:52,603 --> 01:16:54,171 SHORT OF TORTURE. 2034 01:16:54,171 --> 01:16:55,372 IN THE IMMEDIATE AFTERMATH OF 2035 01:16:55,372 --> 01:16:57,708 9/11, WE DID SOME THINGS THAT 2036 01:16:57,708 --> 01:16:59,443 WERE WRONG. 2037 01:16:59,443 --> 01:17:00,544 WE DID A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS 2038 01:17:00,544 --> 01:17:03,780 THAT WERE RIGHT, BUT WE TORTURED 2039 01:17:03,780 --> 01:17:07,617 SOME FOLKS. 2040 01:17:07,617 --> 01:17:09,018 WE DID SOME THINGS THAT WERE 2041 01:17:09,018 --> 01:17:12,388 CONTRARY TO OUR VALUES. 2042 01:17:12,388 --> 01:17:13,623 Narrator: AFTER A FIVE-YEAR 2043 01:17:13,623 --> 01:17:15,157 INVESTIGATION OF MORE THAN SIX 2044 01:17:15,157 --> 01:17:16,559 MILLION PAGES OF C.I.A. 2045 01:17:16,559 --> 01:17:18,194 DOCUMENTS, THE DEMOCRATIC 2046 01:17:18,194 --> 01:17:19,595 MAJORITY OF THE SENATE SELECT 2047 01:17:19,595 --> 01:17:21,697 COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE ISSUES 2048 01:17:21,697 --> 01:17:23,933 A SCATHING INDICTMENT. 2049 01:17:23,933 --> 01:17:25,467 IT SAYS THE AGENCY MISLED 2050 01:17:25,467 --> 01:17:27,435 CONGRESS ABOUT THE BRUTALITY OF 2051 01:17:27,435 --> 01:17:29,237 ITS INTERROGATION PROGRAM AND 2052 01:17:29,237 --> 01:17:30,672 THAT NO EVIDENCE WAS PRODUCED 2053 01:17:30,672 --> 01:17:32,541 THAT DISRUPTED PLOTS OR SAVED 2054 01:17:32,541 --> 01:17:35,377 LIVES. 2055 01:17:38,780 --> 01:17:40,415 THE EFFECTIVENESS AND MORALITY 2056 01:17:40,415 --> 01:17:41,816 OF THE PROGRAM WOULD TRIGGER AN 2057 01:17:41,816 --> 01:17:43,718 IMPASSIONED DEBATE AMONG THE 2058 01:17:43,718 --> 01:17:46,420 DIRECTORS. 2059 01:17:46,420 --> 01:17:47,955 PEOPLE ARE THROWING THE WORD 2060 01:17:47,955 --> 01:17:50,558 "TORTURE" AROUND, YOU KNOW, AS 2061 01:17:50,558 --> 01:17:52,059 IF... AS IF WE'RE... WE'RE 2062 01:17:52,059 --> 01:17:57,398 TORTURERS. 2063 01:17:57,398 --> 01:17:59,133 I'M NOT GOING TO EVER ACCEPT THE 2064 01:17:59,133 --> 01:18:00,334 USE OF THE WORD "TORTURE" IN 2065 01:18:00,334 --> 01:18:02,535 FRONT OF WHAT... WHAT HAPPENED 2066 01:18:02,535 --> 01:18:03,503 HERE. 2067 01:18:03,503 --> 01:18:05,171 I'M NOT GOING TO FALL TO THAT. 2068 01:18:05,171 --> 01:18:06,406 IF YOU THINK SOMEBODY KNOWS 2069 01:18:06,406 --> 01:18:07,974 SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP YOU 2070 01:18:07,974 --> 01:18:10,877 SAVE AMERICAN LIVES, HOW FAR 2071 01:18:10,877 --> 01:18:13,513 SHOULD OR COULD YOU GO TO GET 2072 01:18:13,513 --> 01:18:14,881 THAT INFORMATION? 2073 01:18:14,881 --> 01:18:16,616 OF COURSE, THE TERRIBLE WORD 2074 01:18:16,616 --> 01:18:18,351 "TORTURE" COMES TO MIND. 2075 01:18:18,351 --> 01:18:20,086 THE TERM "TORTURE" IS A VERY, 2076 01:18:20,086 --> 01:18:21,453 VERY LOADED WORD. 2077 01:18:21,453 --> 01:18:23,322 IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT 2078 01:18:23,322 --> 01:18:25,357 THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN 2079 01:18:25,357 --> 01:18:27,526 ENHANCED INTERROGATION AND 2080 01:18:27,526 --> 01:18:29,962 TORTURE, THE CONVERSATION IS 2081 01:18:29,962 --> 01:18:30,762 OVER. 2082 01:18:30,762 --> 01:18:32,297 YOU CAN SLICE AND DICE THE 2083 01:18:32,297 --> 01:18:34,199 SEMANTICS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT 2084 01:18:34,199 --> 01:18:35,100 WAYS. 2085 01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:36,902 I THINK IT'S HARD TO NOT 2086 01:18:36,902 --> 01:18:38,403 DESCRIBE SOME OF THE TECHNIQUES 2087 01:18:38,403 --> 01:18:40,504 THAT WERE USED AS TORTURE. 2088 01:18:40,504 --> 01:18:42,640 IF I WERE CAPTURED BY AN 2089 01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,575 ADVERSARY AND SOMEBODY SLAPPED 2090 01:18:44,575 --> 01:18:45,943 ME IN THE FACE, WOULD I COME 2091 01:18:45,943 --> 01:18:47,044 BACK AND SAY I WAS TORTURED? 2092 01:18:47,044 --> 01:18:48,079 NO. 2093 01:18:48,079 --> 01:18:49,246 IF SOMEBODY WATERBOARDED ME, 2094 01:18:49,246 --> 01:18:50,281 WOULD I COME BACK AND SAY I WAS 2095 01:18:50,281 --> 01:18:51,582 TORTURED? 2096 01:18:51,582 --> 01:18:52,717 YES. 2097 01:18:52,717 --> 01:18:54,051 I THINK IT WAS TORTURE. 2098 01:18:54,051 --> 01:18:58,822 I REALLY DO. 2099 01:18:58,822 --> 01:19:01,024 HISTORY WILL JUDGE US BY OUR 2100 01:19:01,024 --> 01:19:03,326 COMMITMENT TO A JUST SOCIETY 2101 01:19:03,326 --> 01:19:05,128 GOVERNED BY LAW AND THE 2102 01:19:05,128 --> 01:19:07,497 WILLINGNESS TO FACE AN UGLY 2103 01:19:07,497 --> 01:19:12,836 TRUTH AND SAY "NEVER AGAIN." 2104 01:19:12,836 --> 01:19:14,738 I THINK IT IS A HOPELESSLY 2105 01:19:14,738 --> 01:19:16,640 INCORRECT CONCLUSION BASED ON 2106 01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,607 FLAWED INFORMATION. 2107 01:19:18,607 --> 01:19:21,110 OUR REVIEW WAS A METICULOUS 2108 01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:23,779 AND DETAILED EXAMINATION OF 2109 01:19:23,779 --> 01:19:25,080 RECORDS. 2110 01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:26,215 NONE OF THE PRINCIPALS 2111 01:19:26,215 --> 01:19:27,783 INVOLVED IN THIS WERE 2112 01:19:27,783 --> 01:19:29,151 INTERVIEWED, WHICH IS RATHER 2113 01:19:29,151 --> 01:19:31,053 IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE ALLEGED 2114 01:19:31,053 --> 01:19:34,256 MOTIVE OF THIS STUDY WAS TO FIND 2115 01:19:34,256 --> 01:19:36,524 OUT HOW THIS CAME TO PASS, WHAT 2116 01:19:36,524 --> 01:19:38,026 HAPPENED AND MAKE SURE IT NEVER 2117 01:19:38,026 --> 01:19:39,227 HAPPENS AGAIN. 2118 01:19:39,227 --> 01:19:40,962 ENHANCED INTERROGATION 2119 01:19:40,962 --> 01:19:42,497 TECHNIQUES WITHOUT ANY DOUBT IN 2120 01:19:42,497 --> 01:19:44,699 MY MIND PRODUCED UNIQUE 2121 01:19:44,699 --> 01:19:47,835 INTELLIGENCE THAT STOPPED PLOTS, 2122 01:19:47,835 --> 01:19:49,904 SAVED LIVES, TOOK ADDITIONAL 2123 01:19:49,904 --> 01:19:51,372 SENIOR AL QAEDA OFFICERS OFF THE 2124 01:19:51,372 --> 01:19:52,907 BATTLEFIELD. 2125 01:19:52,907 --> 01:19:54,875 WE TOOK 20 EXAMPLES THAT THE 2126 01:19:54,875 --> 01:19:57,711 C.I.A. ITSELF CLAIMED TO SHOW 2127 01:19:57,711 --> 01:19:59,413 THE SUCCESS OF THESE 2128 01:19:59,413 --> 01:20:02,015 INTERROGATIONS, AND NOT A SINGLE 2129 01:20:02,015 --> 01:20:03,750 CASE HOLDS UP. 2130 01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:05,118 THEY ARE VIRTUALLY WRONG IN 2131 01:20:05,118 --> 01:20:08,321 ALL 20 OF THE CASES. 2132 01:20:08,321 --> 01:20:10,424 ONE OF THE 20 CASES IS A 2133 01:20:10,424 --> 01:20:12,025 SENIOR AL QAEDA OPERATIVE 2134 01:20:12,025 --> 01:20:14,427 TELLING US THAT AL QAEDA HAD 2135 01:20:14,427 --> 01:20:17,496 MOVED TO A PARTICULAR CITY IN 2136 01:20:17,496 --> 01:20:20,166 PAKISTAN. 2137 01:20:20,166 --> 01:20:21,734 THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD US BEFORE 2138 01:20:21,734 --> 01:20:22,568 ENHANCED INTERROGATION 2139 01:20:22,568 --> 01:20:23,569 TECHNIQUES. 2140 01:20:23,569 --> 01:20:24,970 AFTER ENHANCED INTERROGATION 2141 01:20:24,970 --> 01:20:26,739 TECHNIQUES, HE ACTUALLY SITS 2142 01:20:26,739 --> 01:20:29,909 DOWN WITH SATELLITE PHOTOGRAPHY 2143 01:20:29,909 --> 01:20:31,576 AND POINTS OUT THE ACTUAL 2144 01:20:31,576 --> 01:20:33,311 BUILDING WHERE SENIOR AL QAEDA 2145 01:20:33,311 --> 01:20:35,947 OPERATIVES ARE, WHICH ALLOWS US 2146 01:20:35,947 --> 01:20:39,150 TO GO AND DEAL WITH THEM. 2147 01:20:39,150 --> 01:20:40,885 THE VALUE IN MY ESTIMATION AS 2148 01:20:40,885 --> 01:20:43,121 I SAT AT MY 5:00 MEETING EVERY 2149 01:20:43,121 --> 01:20:44,489 NIGHT AND AS WE WERE USING THIS 2150 01:20:44,489 --> 01:20:46,257 INFORMATION TO BREAK UP PLOTS, 2151 01:20:46,257 --> 01:20:48,226 CAPTURE LEADERS, STOP FURTHER 2152 01:20:48,226 --> 01:20:49,426 ATTACKS AGAINST THE UNITED 2153 01:20:49,426 --> 01:20:54,865 STATES, WAS ENORMOUSLY HIGH. 2154 01:20:54,865 --> 01:20:56,800 WITHOUT THIS PROGRAM, HEATHROW 2155 01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,335 AIRPORT WOULD'VE BEEN BOMBED. 2156 01:20:58,335 --> 01:20:59,636 OTHER FACILITIES IN GREAT 2157 01:20:59,636 --> 01:21:01,205 BRITAIN WOULD'VE BEEN BOMBED. 2158 01:21:01,205 --> 01:21:02,439 BUILDINGS IN NEW YORK WOULD'VE 2159 01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:03,574 EXPLODED. 2160 01:21:03,574 --> 01:21:04,775 SUSPENSION BRIDGES WOULD'VE BEEN 2161 01:21:04,775 --> 01:21:08,144 TAKEN DOWN. 2162 01:21:08,144 --> 01:21:09,645 Narrator: AND TENET INSISTS 2163 01:21:09,645 --> 01:21:10,913 THAT INTELLIGENCE FROM THE 2164 01:21:10,913 --> 01:21:12,949 ENHANCED INTERROGATIONS LEADS TO 2165 01:21:12,949 --> 01:21:15,351 THE CAPTURE OF A TERRORIST 2166 01:21:15,351 --> 01:21:17,687 PLANNING A SPECTACULAR ATTACK. 2167 01:21:17,687 --> 01:21:19,589 HE HAD ALREADY RECRUITED 17 2168 01:21:19,589 --> 01:21:22,291 SOUTHEAST ASIANS TO ENGAGE IN AN 2169 01:21:22,291 --> 01:21:23,726 AIRLINE PLOT AGAINST THE WEST 2170 01:21:23,726 --> 01:21:25,194 COAST OF THE UNITED STATES. 2171 01:21:25,194 --> 01:21:26,262 THE VALUE IS... 2172 01:21:26,262 --> 01:21:27,662 THE REPORT SAYS YOU HAD THAT 2173 01:21:27,662 --> 01:21:29,264 INFORMATION FROM OTHER SOURCES. 2174 01:21:29,264 --> 01:21:30,832 THE REPORT IS DEAD WRONG ON 2175 01:21:30,832 --> 01:21:32,768 EVERY ACCOUNT, PERIOD, END OF 2176 01:21:32,768 --> 01:21:35,837 PARAGRAPH. 2177 01:21:40,675 --> 01:21:42,177 THE BIN LADEN OPERATION WOULD 2178 01:21:42,177 --> 01:21:44,012 NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT 2179 01:21:44,012 --> 01:21:45,980 THE COURIER IN QUESTION BEING 2180 01:21:45,980 --> 01:21:47,515 HIGHLIGHTED AS PROMINENTLY AS HE 2181 01:21:47,515 --> 01:21:50,284 WAS BY DETAINEES. 2182 01:21:50,284 --> 01:21:51,051 Narrator: DIRECTOR JOHN 2183 01:21:51,051 --> 01:21:52,853 BRENNAN, WHO WAS TROUBLED BY THE 2184 01:21:52,853 --> 01:21:55,156 BRUTAL TECHNIQUES, SAYS THE JURY 2185 01:21:55,156 --> 01:21:56,724 IS OUT. 2186 01:21:56,724 --> 01:21:57,658 WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT 2187 01:21:57,658 --> 01:21:59,360 THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW WHETHER 2188 01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,195 OR NOT KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMED 2189 01:22:01,195 --> 01:22:02,229 WOULD HAVE PROVIDED THAT 2190 01:22:02,229 --> 01:22:04,464 INFORMATION IF HE HAD NOT BEEN 2191 01:22:04,464 --> 01:22:05,498 WATERBOARDED. 2192 01:22:05,498 --> 01:22:07,834 THAT IS UNKNOWABLE BECAUSE THAT 2193 01:22:07,834 --> 01:22:09,302 SCENARIO NEVER HAPPENED. 2194 01:22:09,302 --> 01:22:10,637 DIRECTOR BRENNAN IS A GOOD 2195 01:22:10,637 --> 01:22:11,838 FRIEND OF MINE AND I HAVE THE 2196 01:22:11,838 --> 01:22:12,906 UTMOST RESPECT FOR HIM, BUT I 2197 01:22:12,906 --> 01:22:14,607 WOULD JUST RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE 2198 01:22:14,607 --> 01:22:15,542 WITH THAT. 2199 01:22:15,542 --> 01:22:17,610 I MEAN, THAT STRIKES ME AS A 2200 01:22:17,610 --> 01:22:19,078 DODGE WRAPPED IN POLITICAL 2201 01:22:19,078 --> 01:22:22,015 CORRECTNESS. 2202 01:22:22,015 --> 01:22:23,148 Narrator: ANSWERS TO SOME OF 2203 01:22:23,148 --> 01:22:24,583 THESE QUESTIONS MIGHT HAVE BEEN 2204 01:22:24,583 --> 01:22:26,985 FOUND BY WATCHING VIDEOTAPE. 2205 01:22:26,985 --> 01:22:28,253 THE WATERBOARDING OF TWO 2206 01:22:28,253 --> 01:22:30,122 PRISONERS WAS ACTUALLY RECORDED, 2207 01:22:30,122 --> 01:22:32,191 BUT THE VIDEOTAPES WERE 2208 01:22:32,191 --> 01:22:34,793 DESTROYED. 2209 01:22:34,793 --> 01:22:36,128 WHILE I WAS STILL THE 2210 01:22:36,128 --> 01:22:37,963 DIRECTOR IN A MORNING BRIEFING, 2211 01:22:37,963 --> 01:22:39,164 AT THE END OF THE BRIEFING, 2212 01:22:39,164 --> 01:22:40,299 SOMEONE SAID, "OH, BY THE WAY, 2213 01:22:40,299 --> 01:22:42,200 THE TAPES WERE DESTROYED." 2214 01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:43,901 AND I ROSE OUT OF MY CHAIR AND 2215 01:22:43,901 --> 01:22:45,303 SAID, "WHAT?" 2216 01:22:45,303 --> 01:22:49,240 MY PRIMARY MOTIVATION IN 2217 01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,742 DESTROYING THE TAPES WAS TO 2218 01:22:51,742 --> 01:22:53,878 PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR 2219 01:22:53,878 --> 01:22:54,912 ME. 2220 01:22:54,912 --> 01:22:56,581 THEY SHOWED PEOPLE NAKED, BEING 2221 01:22:56,581 --> 01:23:00,217 WATERBOARDED AND GOING THROUGH 2222 01:23:00,217 --> 01:23:01,318 THE ENHANCED INTERROGATION 2223 01:23:01,318 --> 01:23:02,219 TECHNIQUES. 2224 01:23:02,219 --> 01:23:03,386 JOSE KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT 2225 01:23:03,386 --> 01:23:04,087 IT. 2226 01:23:04,087 --> 01:23:05,789 HE LEFT ME IN A HORRIBLE, 2227 01:23:05,789 --> 01:23:07,257 HORRIBLE SPOT. 2228 01:23:07,257 --> 01:23:09,292 MY CONCERN WAS, IT WOULD CAUSE A 2229 01:23:09,292 --> 01:23:10,794 FIRESTORM ON THE HILL 2230 01:23:10,794 --> 01:23:12,896 POLITICALLY BECAUSE EVERYBODY 2231 01:23:12,896 --> 01:23:14,197 WOULD ASSUME THERE WAS SOMETHING 2232 01:23:14,197 --> 01:23:15,899 TO HIDE RATHER THAN SOMETHING TO 2233 01:23:15,899 --> 01:23:16,967 SHOW. 2234 01:23:16,967 --> 01:23:19,468 I KNEW THAT THE TAPES WOULD 2235 01:23:19,468 --> 01:23:21,570 PLAY AS IF, YOU KNOW, WE WERE 2236 01:23:21,570 --> 01:23:24,473 ALL PSYCHOPATHS, AND THAT'S 2237 01:23:24,473 --> 01:23:26,976 SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T WANT. 2238 01:23:26,976 --> 01:23:28,878 SO, YOU HAD THE DIRECTOR OF 2239 01:23:28,878 --> 01:23:30,779 NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, THE 2240 01:23:30,779 --> 01:23:32,648 DIRECTOR OF THE C.I.A., A MEMBER 2241 01:23:32,648 --> 01:23:34,683 OF CONGRESS ALL SAYING, "WE 2242 01:23:34,683 --> 01:23:35,684 DON'T WANT THESE TAPES 2243 01:23:35,684 --> 01:23:38,453 DESTROYED," AND YOU DID IT. 2244 01:23:38,453 --> 01:23:40,221 NOW I WAS NOT STUPID; I 2245 01:23:40,221 --> 01:23:41,823 DIDN'T ONE DAY DECIDE TO GET OUT 2246 01:23:41,823 --> 01:23:43,858 OF BED AND DESTROY TAPES. 2247 01:23:43,858 --> 01:23:45,593 I GOT APPROVAL TO DO THIS. 2248 01:23:45,593 --> 01:23:47,629 I CONSULTED WITH OUR LAWYERS. 2249 01:23:47,629 --> 01:23:49,697 THE VIDEOTAPES WERE DESTROYED 2250 01:23:49,697 --> 01:23:52,967 SHORTLY AFTER C.I.A. ATTORNEYS 2251 01:23:52,967 --> 01:23:55,702 RAISED CONCERNS THAT CONGRESS 2252 01:23:55,702 --> 01:24:01,608 MIGHT FIND OUT ABOUT THE TAPES. 2253 01:24:01,608 --> 01:24:03,844 Narrator: A NECESSARY EVIL OR 2254 01:24:03,844 --> 01:24:09,283 A BETRAYAL OF AMERICAN VALUES? 2255 01:24:09,283 --> 01:24:10,951 SOMEBODY HAS TO STAND UP AND 2256 01:24:10,951 --> 01:24:13,053 BE WILLING TO SAY, "THIS IS NOT 2257 01:24:13,053 --> 01:24:14,954 WHAT OUR COUNTRY IS ABOUT." 2258 01:24:14,954 --> 01:24:16,856 YES, WE'RE FACING A TERRIBLE 2259 01:24:16,856 --> 01:24:18,724 ENEMY, ONE WHO DOESN'T CARE 2260 01:24:18,724 --> 01:24:22,161 ABOUT WHO GETS KILLED, BUT THE 2261 01:24:22,161 --> 01:24:24,330 UNITED STATES IS BETTER THAN 2262 01:24:24,330 --> 01:24:25,564 THAT. 2263 01:24:25,564 --> 01:24:27,066 OUR CONSTITUTION DOES 2264 01:24:27,066 --> 01:24:28,901 PROHIBIT "CRUEL AND UNUSUAL" 2265 01:24:28,901 --> 01:24:30,202 TREATMENT. 2266 01:24:30,202 --> 01:24:32,637 IF IT'S CRUEL, WE SHOULDN'T BE 2267 01:24:32,637 --> 01:24:36,074 DOING IT. 2268 01:24:36,074 --> 01:24:37,943 WE'VE GOT TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE 2269 01:24:37,943 --> 01:24:39,711 PREPARED TO SAY, "MR. PRESIDENT 2270 01:24:39,711 --> 01:24:41,313 YOU CAN'T DO THAT. 2271 01:24:41,313 --> 01:24:42,614 IT'S ILLEGAL." 2272 01:24:42,614 --> 01:24:43,982 LET'S HAVE A C.I.A. DIRECTOR 2273 01:24:43,982 --> 01:24:45,216 BEING INTERVIEWED HERE AFTER THE 2274 01:24:45,216 --> 01:24:47,352 SECOND WAVE AND... AND YOU GET 2275 01:24:47,352 --> 01:24:48,653 TO ASK HIM THE QUESTION, "NOW, 2276 01:24:48,653 --> 01:24:50,821 LOOK, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE 2277 01:24:50,821 --> 01:24:54,024 SAID IT WAS LEGAL BUT YET YOU 2278 01:24:54,024 --> 01:24:56,527 REFUSE TO DO IT. 2279 01:24:56,527 --> 01:24:57,561 HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR 2280 01:24:57,561 --> 01:24:59,596 DECISION NOW?" 2281 01:24:59,596 --> 01:25:01,065 AND SO LET'S NOT PRETEND THAT 2282 01:25:01,065 --> 01:25:02,366 THIS IS THE FORCES OF LIGHT AND 2283 01:25:02,366 --> 01:25:03,934 FORCES OF DARKNESS. 2284 01:25:03,934 --> 01:25:05,402 THESE ARE TWO DAMN UGLY 2285 01:25:05,402 --> 01:25:08,639 DECISIONS. 2286 01:25:16,212 --> 01:25:17,313 AS THE COMMANDER OF THE 2287 01:25:17,313 --> 01:25:18,915 MULTINATIONAL FORCE IN IRAQ, WE 2288 01:25:18,915 --> 01:25:21,651 ACTUALLY HAD 27,000 DETAINEES AT 2289 01:25:21,651 --> 01:25:23,586 THE HIGH WATERMARK OF OUR 2290 01:25:23,586 --> 01:25:26,489 OPERATIONS. 2291 01:25:31,393 --> 01:25:32,828 MY VIEW, QUITE SIMPLY, IS THAT 2292 01:25:32,828 --> 01:25:34,396 IF YOU WANT INFORMATION FROM A 2293 01:25:34,396 --> 01:25:36,031 DETAINEE, YOU BECOME HIS BEST 2294 01:25:36,031 --> 01:25:38,367 FRIEND. 2295 01:25:38,367 --> 01:25:40,002 YOU HAVE TO HAVE VERY SKILLED 2296 01:25:40,002 --> 01:25:41,670 INTERROGATORS, VERY SKILLED 2297 01:25:41,670 --> 01:25:43,071 ANALYSTS AND SO FORTH. 2298 01:25:43,071 --> 01:25:47,174 IT'S A LONG PROCESS. 2299 01:25:47,174 --> 01:25:48,876 THESE ARE THE HARDENED, WORST 2300 01:25:48,876 --> 01:25:50,611 TERRORISTS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 2301 01:25:50,611 --> 01:25:52,646 DEATHS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS 2302 01:25:52,646 --> 01:25:54,148 IN A PERIOD WHERE WE SIMPLY 2303 01:25:54,148 --> 01:25:56,884 DIDN'T BELIEVE WE HAD TIME TO 2304 01:25:56,884 --> 01:26:00,488 BECOME THEIR BEST FRIENDS. 2305 01:26:06,292 --> 01:26:08,828 I JUST DON'T THINK A COUNTRY 2306 01:26:08,828 --> 01:26:12,799 LIKE OURS SHOULD BE CULPABLE OF 2307 01:26:12,799 --> 01:26:14,801 CONDUCTING TORTURE. 2308 01:26:14,801 --> 01:26:17,804 I JUST THINK IT'S BENEATH OUR 2309 01:26:17,804 --> 01:26:18,872 DIGNITY. 2310 01:26:18,872 --> 01:26:20,573 I THINK IT'S POOR FOR OUR 2311 01:26:20,573 --> 01:26:24,476 REPUTATION IN THE WORLD. 2312 01:26:24,476 --> 01:26:26,412 SHOULD A COUNTRY, THE UNITED 2313 01:26:26,412 --> 01:26:28,414 STATES OF AMERICA-- WHICH STANDS 2314 01:26:28,414 --> 01:26:29,915 FOR HUMAN RIGHTS IN THE WORLD, 2315 01:26:29,915 --> 01:26:31,850 WHICH STANDS FOR HUMAN DIGNITY 2316 01:26:31,850 --> 01:26:33,685 PROBABLY MORE THAN ANY COUNTRY-- 2317 01:26:33,685 --> 01:26:35,954 DO THOSE TECHNIQUES TO ANOTHER 2318 01:26:35,954 --> 01:26:37,122 HUMAN BEING? 2319 01:26:37,122 --> 01:26:38,357 RIGHT? 2320 01:26:38,357 --> 01:26:39,625 THAT'S... THAT'S A REALLY 2321 01:26:39,625 --> 01:26:42,460 REASONABLE QUESTION. 2322 01:26:42,460 --> 01:26:44,262 ONE IS, IT'S WRONG. 2323 01:26:44,262 --> 01:26:45,696 BUT IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT THAT, 2324 01:26:45,696 --> 01:26:47,565 DON'T DO IT BECAUSE IT TYPICALLY 2325 01:26:47,565 --> 01:26:49,067 WILL BITE YOU IN THE BACKSIDE 2326 01:26:49,067 --> 01:26:50,268 LATER ON. 2327 01:26:50,268 --> 01:26:52,670 YOU WILL PAY A PRICE FOR WHAT 2328 01:26:52,670 --> 01:26:54,772 YOU DO, AND IT WILL BE VASTLY 2329 01:26:54,772 --> 01:26:56,207 GREATER THAN WHATEVER IT IS YOU 2330 01:26:56,207 --> 01:26:57,842 GOT OUT OF TAKING THIS 2331 01:26:57,842 --> 01:27:00,011 PARTICULAR ACTION. 2332 01:27:00,011 --> 01:27:01,111 YOU CAN JUDGE US. 2333 01:27:01,111 --> 01:27:02,412 WE MADE THOSE DECISIONS FOR GOOD 2334 01:27:02,412 --> 01:27:03,847 AND VALID REASONS, AND ALL I 2335 01:27:03,847 --> 01:27:06,950 WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY IS WE SAT 2336 01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:08,318 WHERE WE SAT. 2337 01:27:08,318 --> 01:27:09,553 WE DECIDED WHAT WE DID. 2338 01:27:09,553 --> 01:27:11,221 WE UNDERSTOOD THE IMPLICATIONS. 2339 01:27:11,221 --> 01:27:12,522 I CAN STAND HERE TODAY AS 2340 01:27:12,522 --> 01:27:14,024 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 2341 01:27:14,024 --> 01:27:15,492 AND SAY WITHOUT EXCEPTION OR 2342 01:27:15,492 --> 01:27:16,893 EQUIVOCATION THAT WE DO NOT 2343 01:27:16,893 --> 01:27:18,128 TORTURE. 2344 01:27:18,128 --> 01:27:20,329 GIVEN PRESIDENT OBAMA'S 2345 01:27:20,329 --> 01:27:21,864 CRITICISM OF ENHANCED 2346 01:27:21,864 --> 01:27:23,065 INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES, I 2347 01:27:23,065 --> 01:27:24,366 THINK ONE OF THE INTERESTING 2348 01:27:24,366 --> 01:27:27,970 QUESTIONS IS: WHAT WOULD HE HAVE 2349 01:27:27,970 --> 01:27:29,872 DONE HAD HE BEEN PUT IN 2350 01:27:29,872 --> 01:27:32,308 PRESIDENT BUSH'S SHOES WHEN 2351 01:27:32,308 --> 01:27:33,676 GEORGE TENET CAME TO HIM AND 2352 01:27:33,676 --> 01:27:34,877 SAID, "YOU NEED TO DO THIS OR 2353 01:27:34,877 --> 01:27:37,146 AMERICANS ARE GOING TO DIE"? 2354 01:27:37,146 --> 01:27:39,214 AND OBVIOUSLY I DON'T KNOW WHAT 2355 01:27:39,214 --> 01:27:40,815 THE PRESIDENT WOULD'VE DONE, AND 2356 01:27:40,815 --> 01:27:42,150 POSSIBLY HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE 2357 01:27:42,150 --> 01:27:48,756 WOULD'VE DONE. 2358 01:27:48,756 --> 01:27:50,525 HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE ARE 2359 01:27:50,525 --> 01:27:53,061 NOT SO CAUGHT UP IN THE FEAR OF 2360 01:27:53,061 --> 01:27:57,898 AN ENEMY THAT WE BEGIN TO MOVE 2361 01:27:57,898 --> 01:27:59,433 AWAY FROM THE PRINCIPLES AND THE 2362 01:27:59,433 --> 01:28:01,401 STANDARDS THAT REPRESENT WHAT 2363 01:28:01,401 --> 01:28:03,670 THIS COUNTRY'S ALL ABOUT? 2364 01:28:03,670 --> 01:28:05,305 AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT AN 2365 01:28:05,305 --> 01:28:07,207 EASY... THERE'S NOT... THERE'S 2366 01:28:07,207 --> 01:28:08,976 NOT AN EASY ANSWER TO THAT. 2367 01:28:08,976 --> 01:28:10,177 I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT 2368 01:28:10,177 --> 01:28:12,212 THERE IS, BUT IT'S NOT. 2369 01:28:12,212 --> 01:28:14,081 THE CLASSIC CASE, OF COURSE, 2370 01:28:14,081 --> 01:28:16,149 IS A NUCLEAR WEAPON IN DOWNTOWN 2371 01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:18,851 MANHATTAN, HIDDEN, AND YOU HAVE 2372 01:28:18,851 --> 01:28:20,486 IN YOUR HANDS THE INDIVIDUAL WHO 2373 01:28:20,486 --> 01:28:22,188 KNOWS WHERE IT IS. 2374 01:28:22,188 --> 01:28:23,456 WOULD YOU WATERBOARD HIM? 2375 01:28:23,456 --> 01:28:24,323 LET ME TURN IT AROUND. 2376 01:28:24,323 --> 01:28:25,691 WOULD YOU? 2377 01:28:25,691 --> 01:28:27,326 THE REALITY IS, YOU HAVE TO 2378 01:28:27,326 --> 01:28:28,895 LOOK AT IT IN CONTEXT. 2379 01:28:28,895 --> 01:28:31,430 I MEAN, IF... IF, IN FACT, YOU 2380 01:28:31,430 --> 01:28:34,966 HAD CREDIBLE INTELLIGENCE THAT 2381 01:28:34,966 --> 01:28:36,801 THERE WAS A NUCLEAR WEAPON 2382 01:28:36,801 --> 01:28:38,737 PLANTED SOMEPLACE IN NEW YORK 2383 01:28:38,737 --> 01:28:41,439 CITY OR WASHINGTON, D.C., AND 2384 01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:43,875 THERE WAS ONE PERSON THAT WOULD 2385 01:28:43,875 --> 01:28:45,777 KNOW WHERE THAT BOMB WAS 2386 01:28:45,777 --> 01:28:50,081 LOCATED, IT'D BE VERY TOUGH NOT 2387 01:28:50,081 --> 01:28:51,715 TO RESORT TO EVERY METHOD 2388 01:28:51,715 --> 01:28:52,983 POSSIBLE IN ORDER TO GET THAT 2389 01:28:52,983 --> 01:28:54,318 INFORMATION. 2390 01:28:54,318 --> 01:28:55,519 I JUST HAVE TO BE FRANK WITH 2391 01:28:55,519 --> 01:28:56,654 YOU. 2392 01:28:56,654 --> 01:28:58,055 IF A PRESIDENT TOMORROW ASKED 2393 01:28:58,055 --> 01:29:00,057 ME TO WATERBOARD A TERRORIST, I 2394 01:29:00,057 --> 01:29:02,193 WOULD SAY, "MR. PRESIDENT, 2395 01:29:02,193 --> 01:29:04,528 SORRY, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT 2396 01:29:04,528 --> 01:29:06,597 THAT IS WHAT IS IN OUR BEST 2397 01:29:06,597 --> 01:29:08,432 INTEREST AS A COUNTRY, AS AN 2398 01:29:08,432 --> 01:29:09,934 INSTITUTION OF C.I.A. 2399 01:29:09,934 --> 01:29:11,668 AND WE NEED TO FIND OTHER WAYS 2400 01:29:11,668 --> 01:29:14,070 TO GET THAT INTELLIGENCE." 2401 01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:15,805 IF SOME FUTURE PRESIDENT IS 2402 01:29:15,805 --> 01:29:17,607 GOING TO DECIDE TO WATERBOARD, 2403 01:29:17,607 --> 01:29:19,075 HE BETTER BRING HIS OWN BUCKET 2404 01:29:19,075 --> 01:29:20,376 BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO DO 2405 01:29:20,376 --> 01:29:21,611 IT HIMSELF. 2406 01:29:21,611 --> 01:29:22,745 THE AGENCY IS NOT GOING TO DO 2407 01:29:22,745 --> 01:29:25,448 THIS AGAIN. 2408 01:29:33,522 --> 01:29:40,696 JUST AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 2409 01:29:40,696 --> 01:29:42,231 THIS SENATE INTELLIGENCE 2410 01:29:42,231 --> 01:29:44,399 COMMITTEE REPORT ON 2411 01:29:44,399 --> 01:29:45,901 INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES AND 2412 01:29:45,901 --> 01:29:48,169 TORTURE, IF YOU WILL, THE 2413 01:29:48,169 --> 01:29:49,770 QUESTION PEOPLE NEED TO ASK 2414 01:29:49,770 --> 01:29:51,272 THEMSELVES IS, TEN YEARS FROM 2415 01:29:51,272 --> 01:29:53,307 NOW, WILL PEOPLE BE ASKING THE 2416 01:29:53,307 --> 01:29:55,376 SAME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USE OF 2417 01:29:55,376 --> 01:29:59,847 THESE DRONES? 2418 01:29:59,847 --> 01:30:00,982 Narrator: THEY ARE LETHAL, 2419 01:30:00,982 --> 01:30:05,419 MAN-MADE BIRDS OF PREY. 2420 01:30:05,419 --> 01:30:06,720 WHEN YOU CAN STARE AT A 2421 01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,589 TARGET UNBLINKINGLY FOR HOURS, 2422 01:30:09,589 --> 01:30:12,058 IF NOT DAYS, AND THEN USE A 2423 01:30:12,058 --> 01:30:14,127 WEAPON AGAINST THAT TARGET THAT 2424 01:30:14,127 --> 01:30:17,063 HAS A 14-POUND WARHEAD IN IT AND 2425 01:30:17,063 --> 01:30:18,632 WITH AN ACCURACY MEASURED IN 2426 01:30:18,632 --> 01:30:21,334 INCHES, THIS ACTUALLY MAKES 2427 01:30:21,334 --> 01:30:22,969 WARFARE MORE PRECISE, AND THAT 2428 01:30:22,969 --> 01:30:23,470 SHOULD BE A GOOD. 2429 01:30:23,470 --> 01:30:24,237 ROGER. 2430 01:30:24,237 --> 01:30:25,571 YOU ARE NOW FREE TO ENGAGE THE 2431 01:30:25,571 --> 01:30:26,639 VEHICLE. 2432 01:30:26,639 --> 01:30:27,973 THEY GIVE YOU THE ABILITY, 2433 01:30:27,973 --> 01:30:30,643 ACTUALLY, TO MINIMIZE CIVILIAN 2434 01:30:30,643 --> 01:30:33,379 CASUALTIES OR COLLATERAL DAMAGE. 2435 01:30:33,379 --> 01:30:34,580 UNINTELLIGIBLE ORDER. 2436 01:30:34,580 --> 01:30:35,781 GIVE ME TEN SECONDS. 2437 01:30:35,781 --> 01:30:39,118 ROGER. 2438 01:30:39,118 --> 01:30:40,252 DIRECT HITS. 2439 01:30:40,252 --> 01:30:41,487 RIGHT THERE. 2440 01:30:41,487 --> 01:30:42,554 NOW, THE DARK SIDE. 2441 01:30:42,554 --> 01:30:44,188 THE DARK SIDE IS THE EASE WITH 2442 01:30:44,188 --> 01:30:46,958 WHICH A POLITICAL DECISION MAKER 2443 01:30:46,958 --> 01:30:48,459 CAN MAKE THE DECISION TO DO 2444 01:30:48,459 --> 01:30:51,429 THIS. 2445 01:30:54,832 --> 01:30:56,034 PEOPLE NEED TO BE CAREFUL 2446 01:30:56,034 --> 01:30:57,635 ABOUT BEING SO HAPPY WITH THE 2447 01:30:57,635 --> 01:31:00,338 USE OF THE TERM "KILL." 2448 01:31:00,338 --> 01:31:01,505 INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS IN 2449 01:31:01,505 --> 01:31:02,673 PARTICULAR HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 2450 01:31:02,673 --> 01:31:06,710 THE USE OF THAT TERM. 2451 01:31:14,384 --> 01:31:15,519 THERE ARE MANY TIMES WHEN 2452 01:31:15,519 --> 01:31:17,521 PEOPLE ARE TALKING LOOSELY ABOUT 2453 01:31:17,521 --> 01:31:19,556 IT OR ENTHUSING TO ME ABOUT IT, 2454 01:31:19,556 --> 01:31:21,924 AND I WILL SAY TO THEM, "HAVE 2455 01:31:21,924 --> 01:31:26,529 YOU EVER KILLED SOMEONE?" 2456 01:31:29,965 --> 01:31:31,033 Narrator: IT WAS ON GEORGE 2457 01:31:31,033 --> 01:31:33,202 TENET'S WATCH IN 2001 THAT 2458 01:31:33,202 --> 01:31:35,338 DRONES, ONCE JUST EYES IN THE 2459 01:31:35,338 --> 01:31:39,708 SKY, BECAME KILLING MACHINES. 2460 01:31:39,708 --> 01:31:41,376 I HAD A QUESTION, AND IT IS A 2461 01:31:41,376 --> 01:31:43,278 QUESTION THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE 2462 01:31:43,278 --> 01:31:45,447 ASKED TODAY, AS WELL: "DO YOU 2463 01:31:45,447 --> 01:31:47,582 WANT THE CIVILIAN HEAD OF AN 2464 01:31:47,582 --> 01:31:50,118 INTELLIGENCE ORGANIZATION FIRING 2465 01:31:50,118 --> 01:31:51,586 A WEAPON OUTSIDE OF THE CHAIN OF 2466 01:31:51,586 --> 01:31:53,388 MILITARY COMMAND?" 2467 01:31:53,388 --> 01:31:54,856 I NEEDED TO ASK THE QUESTION. 2468 01:31:54,856 --> 01:31:56,124 THEY NEEDED TO ANSWER THE 2469 01:31:56,124 --> 01:31:57,124 QUESTION. 2470 01:31:57,124 --> 01:31:58,225 WE NEVER GOT THE ANSWER TO THE 2471 01:31:58,225 --> 01:32:01,762 QUESTION, AND OFF WE WENT. 2472 01:32:01,762 --> 01:32:02,863 Narrator: WHY AREN'T ALL 2473 01:32:02,863 --> 01:32:04,565 DRONES OPERATED BY THE MILITARY? 2474 01:32:04,565 --> 01:32:07,701 ONE REASON: WHEN A COVERT C.I.A. 2475 01:32:07,701 --> 01:32:10,304 OPERATION GOES BADLY, IT CAN BE 2476 01:32:10,304 --> 01:32:12,606 DENIED. 2477 01:32:12,606 --> 01:32:13,974 I OBVIOUSLY CAN'T COMMENT ON 2478 01:32:13,974 --> 01:32:16,776 WHETHER THE C.I.A. CONDUCTS 2479 01:32:16,776 --> 01:32:18,044 OPERATIONS THAT WOULD BE UNDER 2480 01:32:18,044 --> 01:32:21,447 THE REALM OF COVERT ACTION. 2481 01:32:21,447 --> 01:32:22,849 COVERT ACTION IS, OF COURSE, 2482 01:32:22,849 --> 01:32:24,684 THAT YOU DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THEM; 2483 01:32:24,684 --> 01:32:26,686 WHAT YOU DO IS YOU JUST DON'T 2484 01:32:26,686 --> 01:32:28,287 TALK ABOUT THEM. 2485 01:32:28,287 --> 01:32:29,322 Narrator: IN FACT, THE 2486 01:32:29,322 --> 01:32:31,157 C.I.A.'S DRONE WARFARE PROGRAM 2487 01:32:31,157 --> 01:32:33,659 IS SO SECRET THE AGENCY DOES NOT 2488 01:32:33,659 --> 01:32:36,862 EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT EXISTS. 2489 01:32:36,862 --> 01:32:38,563 YET SOME DIRECTORS ARE 2490 01:32:38,563 --> 01:32:39,931 SURPRISINGLY CANDID. 2491 01:32:39,931 --> 01:32:41,433 IT'S A COVERT ACTION. 2492 01:32:41,433 --> 01:32:44,002 IT'S AN ACTIVITY DESIGNED SO 2493 01:32:44,002 --> 01:32:45,137 THAT THE HAND OF THE UNITED 2494 01:32:45,137 --> 01:32:47,806 STATES IS HIDDEN. 2495 01:32:47,806 --> 01:32:48,807 IT ALLOWS YOU TO DO IT IN 2496 01:32:48,807 --> 01:32:50,475 CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH IT WOULD 2497 01:32:50,475 --> 01:32:51,777 BE MORE DIFFICULT FOR THE 2498 01:32:51,777 --> 01:32:55,146 MILITARY TO DO. 2499 01:32:59,884 --> 01:33:01,118 Narrator: C.I.A. DRONE 2500 01:33:01,118 --> 01:33:02,853 STRIKES WERE ONCE RARELY 2501 01:33:02,853 --> 01:33:05,189 CONDUCTED OUTSIDE OF WAR ZONES. 2502 01:33:05,189 --> 01:33:07,892 THE TROUBLE WAS THAT WAS EXACTLY 2503 01:33:07,892 --> 01:33:10,828 WHERE AL QAEDA WAS REGROUPING. 2504 01:33:10,828 --> 01:33:12,962 IN THE FIRST HALF OF 2008, 2505 01:33:12,962 --> 01:33:14,764 C.I.A. MADE THE CASE THAT WE HAD 2506 01:33:14,764 --> 01:33:16,166 TO BEGIN TO GO DO SOME THINGS-- 2507 01:33:16,166 --> 01:33:17,667 TARGETED KILLINGS, FOR EXAMPLE-- 2508 01:33:17,667 --> 01:33:18,034 OUTSIDE OF 2509 01:33:18,034 --> 01:33:19,769 INTERNATIONALLY-AGREED THEATERS 2510 01:33:19,769 --> 01:33:20,770 OF CONFLICT. 2511 01:33:20,770 --> 01:33:22,305 GET THIS GUY OFF THE BATTLEFIELD 2512 01:33:22,305 --> 01:33:23,440 BECAUSE "HE'S GOING TO COME KILL 2513 01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:24,974 YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN" WAS 2514 01:33:24,974 --> 01:33:26,676 ABSOLUTELY COMPELLING. 2515 01:33:26,676 --> 01:33:28,745 BY MID-SUMMER OF 2008, OUR 2516 01:33:28,745 --> 01:33:30,179 GOVERNMENT DECIDED ON A NEW 2517 01:33:30,179 --> 01:33:34,349 COURSE OF ACTION. 2518 01:33:34,349 --> 01:33:35,050 Narrator: PRESIDENT GEORGE 2519 01:33:35,050 --> 01:33:38,687 BUSH GIVES THE GREEN LIGHT, BUT 2520 01:33:38,687 --> 01:33:40,289 HAVE DRONES GIVEN PRESIDENTS AND 2521 01:33:40,289 --> 01:33:42,558 DIRECTORS UNCHECKED POWER? 2522 01:33:42,558 --> 01:33:44,293 THE POWER TO DECIDE WHO LIVES 2523 01:33:44,293 --> 01:33:47,963 AND WHO DIES? 2524 01:33:48,930 --> 01:33:51,132 (CROWD PROTESTING) 2525 01:33:51,132 --> 01:33:52,934 DRONE ATTACKS VIOLATE EVERY 2526 01:33:52,934 --> 01:33:55,436 HUMAN LAW BECAUSE NO LAW ALLOWS 2527 01:33:55,436 --> 01:33:57,271 ANYONE TO BECOME JUDGE, JURY AND 2528 01:33:57,271 --> 01:33:58,072 EXECUTIONER. 2529 01:33:58,072 --> 01:33:59,240 AMERICANS ARE RUTHLESS 2530 01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:00,107 PEOPLE. 2531 01:34:00,107 --> 01:34:01,342 THEY ARE AGAINST ISLAM. 2532 01:34:01,342 --> 01:34:04,412 THEY ARE THE TYRANTS. 2533 01:34:06,947 --> 01:34:07,747 YOU KNOW, IT'S CURIOUS THAT 2534 01:34:07,747 --> 01:34:10,083 CERTAIN KINDS OF ACTIVITY ARE 2535 01:34:10,083 --> 01:34:12,419 CALLED "ASSASSINATION," OTHERS 2536 01:34:12,419 --> 01:34:14,221 ARE NOT. 2537 01:34:14,221 --> 01:34:16,389 Narrator: IN 1976, PRESIDENT 2538 01:34:16,389 --> 01:34:18,792 GERALD FORD SIGNS AN ORDER 2539 01:34:18,792 --> 01:34:20,660 PROHIBITING THE C.I.A. FROM 2540 01:34:20,660 --> 01:34:22,929 ENGAGING IN ASSASSINATION. 2541 01:34:22,929 --> 01:34:24,397 FOR EXAMPLE, THE USE OF 2542 01:34:24,397 --> 01:34:25,731 DRONES GOING AFTER PARTICULAR 2543 01:34:25,731 --> 01:34:28,567 TARGETS IS NOT TERMED AN 2544 01:34:28,567 --> 01:34:30,369 "ASSASSINATION" IN THE SENSE OF 2545 01:34:30,369 --> 01:34:32,071 THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER. 2546 01:34:32,071 --> 01:34:32,738 WHY NOT? 2547 01:34:32,738 --> 01:34:34,173 WHY SHOULDN'T IT BE? 2548 01:34:34,173 --> 01:34:35,174 I DON'T KNOW. 2549 01:34:35,174 --> 01:34:36,208 IT'S A QUESTION YOU COULD ANSWER 2550 01:34:36,208 --> 01:34:37,610 AS WELL AS I DO. 2551 01:34:37,610 --> 01:34:38,444 THERE IS A DISTINCTION 2552 01:34:38,444 --> 01:34:40,279 BETWEEN A POLITICAL 2553 01:34:40,279 --> 01:34:41,780 ASSASSINATION AND AGAINST A 2554 01:34:41,780 --> 01:34:43,148 TARGETED KILLING OF AN ENEMY 2555 01:34:43,148 --> 01:34:44,549 COMBATANT AFTER CONGRESS HAS 2556 01:34:44,549 --> 01:34:46,584 DECLARED WAR AGAINST AL QAEDA. 2557 01:34:46,584 --> 01:34:47,552 AND THE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE 2558 01:34:47,552 --> 01:34:49,220 USE OF MILITARY FORCE IS A 2559 01:34:49,220 --> 01:34:50,288 DECLARATION. 2560 01:34:50,288 --> 01:34:51,856 IT'S AS CLOSE TO A DECLARATION 2561 01:34:51,856 --> 01:34:54,392 OF WAR AS WE WILL EVER GET IN 2562 01:34:54,392 --> 01:34:55,960 THIS COUNTRY AGAIN, AND WE ARE 2563 01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:58,129 GOING AFTER ENEMY COMBATANTS 2564 01:34:58,129 --> 01:34:59,163 CONSISTENT WITH THE LAWS OF 2565 01:34:59,163 --> 01:35:01,065 ARMED CONFLICT. 2566 01:35:01,065 --> 01:35:01,900 Narrator: PRESIDENT BARACK 2567 01:35:01,900 --> 01:35:03,934 OBAMA TAKES OFFICE AFTER A 2568 01:35:03,934 --> 01:35:05,802 CAMPAIGN CRITICAL OF GEORGE 2569 01:35:05,802 --> 01:35:09,373 BUSH'S WAR ON TERROR, BUT UNDER 2570 01:35:09,373 --> 01:35:11,608 THE NEW COMMANDER IN CHIEF, 2571 01:35:11,608 --> 01:35:14,978 DRONE STRIKES RISE DRAMATICALLY. 2572 01:35:14,978 --> 01:35:16,346 NATIONAL SECURITY LOOKS 2573 01:35:16,346 --> 01:35:17,948 DIFFERENT FROM THE OVAL THAN IT 2574 01:35:17,948 --> 01:35:20,517 DOES FROM A HOTEL ROOM IN IOWA. 2575 01:35:20,517 --> 01:35:22,518 TO BE ABLE TO GO IN, TO 2576 01:35:22,518 --> 01:35:24,387 CONDUCT SURVEILLANCE, TO TARGET 2577 01:35:24,387 --> 01:35:26,188 THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND THEN TO 2578 01:35:26,188 --> 01:35:28,691 CONDUCT VERY PRECISE ATTACKS ON 2579 01:35:28,691 --> 01:35:30,526 THOSE INDIVIDUALS WAS THE MOST 2580 01:35:30,526 --> 01:35:32,762 EFFECTIVE WEAPON WE HAD. 2581 01:35:32,762 --> 01:35:33,796 (UNINTELLIGIBLE COMMANDS) 2582 01:35:33,796 --> 01:35:35,531 CLEAR TO ENGAGE ALL. 2583 01:35:35,531 --> 01:35:37,433 THIS ADMINISTRATION PREFERS 2584 01:35:37,433 --> 01:35:39,435 KILLING TERRORISTS RATHER THAN 2585 01:35:39,435 --> 01:35:41,036 HOLDING THEM CAPTIVE. 2586 01:35:41,036 --> 01:35:42,537 AND THE REASON I THINK IS 2587 01:35:42,537 --> 01:35:43,705 BECAUSE IT'S HARD. 2588 01:35:43,705 --> 01:35:46,942 IT'S HARD TO CAPTURE. 2589 01:35:46,942 --> 01:35:49,511 IT'S... IT'S HARD WORK. 2590 01:35:49,511 --> 01:35:51,112 AND MANY WOULD CONSIDER IT DIRTY 2591 01:35:51,112 --> 01:35:52,314 BUSINESS. 2592 01:35:52,314 --> 01:35:53,748 THEY'RE KILLING A LOT OF 2593 01:35:53,748 --> 01:35:55,617 PEOPLE WITH, LET'S SAY, DRONE 2594 01:35:55,617 --> 01:35:57,819 STRIKES THAT WOULD BETTER BE 2595 01:35:57,819 --> 01:35:59,253 CAPTURED AND INTERROGATED, THAT 2596 01:35:59,253 --> 01:36:00,754 WE MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE OF 2597 01:36:00,754 --> 01:36:02,356 LEARNING WHAT THE TERRORIST 2598 01:36:02,356 --> 01:36:03,557 GROUP IS GOING TO DO NEXT. 2599 01:36:03,557 --> 01:36:05,192 YOU CAN'T QUESTION SOMEBODY 2600 01:36:05,192 --> 01:36:06,694 YOU'VE KILLED. 2601 01:36:06,694 --> 01:36:07,695 SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE C.I.A. 2602 01:36:07,695 --> 01:36:08,662 IS JUST, "WE'RE TAKING NO 2603 01:36:08,662 --> 01:36:10,531 PRISONERS?" 2604 01:36:10,531 --> 01:36:11,932 I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE 2605 01:36:11,932 --> 01:36:14,868 C.I.A.'S POSITION; I THINK 2606 01:36:14,868 --> 01:36:17,470 THAT'S THE PRESIDENT'S POSITION. 2607 01:36:17,470 --> 01:36:20,540 I... I THINK HE IS KILLING MORE 2608 01:36:20,540 --> 01:36:23,343 PEOPLE THAN HE NEEDS TO, AND 2609 01:36:23,343 --> 01:36:24,644 WE'D BE BETTER OFF CAPTURING 2610 01:36:24,644 --> 01:36:25,979 SOME OF THEM AND INTERROGATING 2611 01:36:25,979 --> 01:36:29,282 THEM. 2612 01:36:29,282 --> 01:36:30,416 WE WILL DO EVERYTHING 2613 01:36:30,416 --> 01:36:32,418 POSSIBLE TO SEE IF WE CAN 2614 01:36:32,418 --> 01:36:33,786 PREVENT THEM FROM BEING 2615 01:36:33,786 --> 01:36:36,188 SUCCESSFUL, CAPTURING THEM. 2616 01:36:36,188 --> 01:36:38,390 AND WHEN THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE, 2617 01:36:38,390 --> 01:36:39,791 WELL, THEN I THINK THE PRESIDENT 2618 01:36:39,791 --> 01:36:41,159 SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO... TO 2619 01:36:41,159 --> 01:36:42,694 TAKE ACTION. 2620 01:36:42,694 --> 01:36:44,129 END THE AFGHAN WAR! 2621 01:36:44,129 --> 01:36:45,731 STOP THE DRONE ATTACKS! 2622 01:36:45,731 --> 01:36:47,432 END THE AFGHAN WAR! 2623 01:36:47,432 --> 01:36:49,167 STOP THE DRONE ATTACKS! 2624 01:36:49,167 --> 01:36:50,135 Narrator: YET SOME WATCHDOG 2625 01:36:50,135 --> 01:36:52,137 ORGANIZATIONS CLAIM THAT 2626 01:36:52,137 --> 01:36:53,771 AMERICAN DRONES HAVE KILLED MORE 2627 01:36:53,771 --> 01:36:56,040 THAN A THOUSAND CIVILIANS, 2628 01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:58,142 NUMBERS THE U.S. GOVERNMENT SAYS 2629 01:36:58,142 --> 01:37:00,011 ARE GREATLY EXAGGERATED. 2630 01:37:00,011 --> 01:37:02,346 U.S. STRIKES HAVE RESULTED IN 2631 01:37:02,346 --> 01:37:03,981 CIVILIAN CASUALTIES. 2632 01:37:03,981 --> 01:37:06,083 THOSE DEATHS WILL HAUNT US AS 2633 01:37:06,083 --> 01:37:08,619 LONG AS WE LIVE. 2634 01:37:08,619 --> 01:37:09,520 Narrator: THE MOST 2635 01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:10,454 CONTROVERSIAL TARGET IN THE 2636 01:37:10,454 --> 01:37:11,555 HISTORY OF DRONE WARFARE IS 2637 01:37:11,555 --> 01:37:13,757 ABOUT TO ENTER THE C.I.A.'S 2638 01:37:13,757 --> 01:37:15,091 CROSSHAIRS. 2639 01:37:15,091 --> 01:37:16,126 TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, I SAY 2640 01:37:16,126 --> 01:37:18,628 YOUR SECURITY WILL CONTINUE TO 2641 01:37:18,628 --> 01:37:20,930 BE THREATENED AS LONG AS YOUR 2642 01:37:20,930 --> 01:37:22,332 GOVERNMENT CONTINUES WITH ITS 2643 01:37:22,332 --> 01:37:23,833 AGGRESSION AGAINST THE MUSLIM 2644 01:37:23,833 --> 01:37:24,901 PEOPLE. 2645 01:37:24,901 --> 01:37:25,935 Narrator: HE IS ANWAR 2646 01:37:25,935 --> 01:37:27,937 AL-AWLAKI, A SWORN ENEMY OF THE 2647 01:37:27,937 --> 01:37:31,206 UNITED STATES AND AN AMERICAN 2648 01:37:31,206 --> 01:37:32,408 CITIZEN. 2649 01:37:32,408 --> 01:37:34,276 HE WAS BORN IN THE U.S. AND 2650 01:37:34,276 --> 01:37:36,845 WAS SOMEONE WHO WAS USING SOCIAL 2651 01:37:36,845 --> 01:37:39,982 MEDIA IN ORDER TO CONVEY A 2652 01:37:39,982 --> 01:37:42,451 MESSAGE ABOUT JIHAD AND DOING IT 2653 01:37:42,451 --> 01:37:44,253 VERY EFFECTIVELY, AND WAS 2654 01:37:44,253 --> 01:37:47,389 SOMEONE WHO HAD GONE TO YEMEN. 2655 01:37:47,389 --> 01:37:49,323 THERE WAS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND 2656 01:37:49,323 --> 01:37:51,659 THAT HE WAS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS 2657 01:37:51,659 --> 01:37:53,261 AND SOMEBODY THAT WE HAD TO GO 2658 01:37:53,261 --> 01:37:54,662 AFTER. 2659 01:37:54,662 --> 01:37:56,564 AS YOU SEND US YOUR BOMBS, WE 2660 01:37:56,564 --> 01:37:57,865 WILL SEND YOU OURS. 2661 01:37:57,865 --> 01:37:58,733 Narrator: THE CHARISMATIC 2662 01:37:58,733 --> 01:38:00,501 CLERIC CONSPIRES WITH THE 2663 01:38:00,501 --> 01:38:02,103 SO-CALLED UNDERWEAR BOMBER IN A 2664 01:38:02,103 --> 01:38:03,571 FAILED PLOT TO BLOW UP AN 2665 01:38:03,571 --> 01:38:05,239 AIRLINER OVER DETROIT ON 2666 01:38:05,239 --> 01:38:08,175 CHRISTMAS DAY 2009, AND HE 2667 01:38:08,175 --> 01:38:09,443 INSPIRES THE JIHADIST MILITANT 2668 01:38:09,443 --> 01:38:11,511 WHO KILLS 13 AND INJURES MORE 2669 01:38:11,511 --> 01:38:13,547 THAN 30 IN A SHOOTING SPREE AT 2670 01:38:13,547 --> 01:38:15,716 FORT HOOD, TEXAS. 2671 01:38:15,716 --> 01:38:16,983 I WAS ASKING, "WHAT WERE WE 2672 01:38:16,983 --> 01:38:19,119 INTERESTED IN AL-AWLAKI ABOUT?" 2673 01:38:19,119 --> 01:38:20,220 WELL, SOMEONE SAID, "WELL, 2674 01:38:20,220 --> 01:38:22,089 HE'S... HE'S A BAD GUY. 2675 01:38:22,089 --> 01:38:23,990 HE'S ON THE PRESIDENT'S LIST." 2676 01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:26,359 SO I SAID, "WHAT LIST IS THAT?" 2677 01:38:26,359 --> 01:38:30,529 "WELL, THE GOODBYE LIST." 2678 01:38:30,529 --> 01:38:31,530 Narrator: THE "GOODBYE LIST," 2679 01:38:31,530 --> 01:38:35,201 ALSO KNOWN AS THE "KILL LIST." 2680 01:38:35,201 --> 01:38:36,268 IT'S THE GRIM ROSTER OF 2681 01:38:36,268 --> 01:38:38,003 TERRORISTS TARGETED FOR 2682 01:38:38,003 --> 01:38:40,172 EXECUTION BY THE U.S. 2683 01:38:40,172 --> 01:38:41,540 GOVERNMENT. 2684 01:38:41,540 --> 01:38:43,309 I, FOR ONE, WAS BORN IN THE 2685 01:38:43,309 --> 01:38:45,276 U.S. AND LIVED IN THE U.S. FOR 2686 01:38:45,276 --> 01:38:46,878 21 YEARS. 2687 01:38:46,878 --> 01:38:48,446 WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS 2688 01:38:48,446 --> 01:38:51,149 TO MAKE A CASE FOR WHY AL-AWLAKI 2689 01:38:51,149 --> 01:38:54,486 WAS DANGEROUS, AND THE JUSTICE 2690 01:38:54,486 --> 01:38:56,521 DEPARTMENT, ALONG WITH THE OUR 2691 01:38:56,521 --> 01:38:57,822 GENERAL COUNSEL AND COUNSEL OUT 2692 01:38:57,822 --> 01:38:59,624 OF THE WHITE HOUSE, FELT THAT A 2693 01:38:59,624 --> 01:39:01,493 GOOD CASE HAD BEEN MADE TO PUT 2694 01:39:01,493 --> 01:39:03,694 HIM ON THAT LIST. 2695 01:39:03,694 --> 01:39:04,728 Narrator: THE "KILL LIST" IS 2696 01:39:04,728 --> 01:39:06,964 AN OPEN SECRET-- SO OPEN THAT 2697 01:39:06,964 --> 01:39:08,999 AL-AWLAKI'S FATHER GOES TO A 2698 01:39:08,999 --> 01:39:10,968 U.S. COURT IN A DESPERATE EFFORT 2699 01:39:10,968 --> 01:39:13,237 TO HAVE HIS SON'S LIFE SPARED. 2700 01:39:13,237 --> 01:39:15,506 I WANT DECENT AMERICAN LAWYER 2701 01:39:15,506 --> 01:39:18,108 TO TELL ME THAT IT IS RIGHT FOR 2702 01:39:18,108 --> 01:39:19,943 THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT TO 2703 01:39:19,943 --> 01:39:22,044 KILL AN AMERICAN CITIZEN ON THE 2704 01:39:22,044 --> 01:39:23,713 BASIS THAT HE SAID SOMETHING 2705 01:39:23,713 --> 01:39:25,281 AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OR 2706 01:39:25,281 --> 01:39:26,849 AGAINST AMERICAN SOLDIERS. 2707 01:39:26,849 --> 01:39:28,751 I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 2708 01:39:28,751 --> 01:39:29,819 Narrator: THE PETITION IS 2709 01:39:29,819 --> 01:39:32,989 REJECTED. 2710 01:39:37,860 --> 01:39:40,929 SEPTEMBER 30, 2011: DAVID 2711 01:39:40,929 --> 01:39:43,231 PETRAEUS IS NOW IN CHARGE WHEN 2712 01:39:43,231 --> 01:39:45,567 C.I.A. DRONE PILOTS IN NEVADA 2713 01:39:45,567 --> 01:39:47,669 DRAW A BEAD ON AL-AWLAKI IN 2714 01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:49,437 YEMEN. 2715 01:39:49,437 --> 01:39:50,872 THEY HAVE BEEN WATCHING HIM FOR 2716 01:39:50,872 --> 01:39:52,274 DAYS. 2717 01:39:52,274 --> 01:39:53,708 GET BACK ON THOSE GUYS. 2718 01:39:53,708 --> 01:39:54,843 THERE YOU GO. 2719 01:39:54,843 --> 01:39:55,677 I THINK YOU ALWAYS DO SOUL 2720 01:39:55,677 --> 01:39:57,746 SEARCHING WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING 2721 01:39:57,746 --> 01:39:59,747 INDIVIDUALS IN HARM'S WAY. 2722 01:39:59,747 --> 01:40:01,515 YOU TURN THESE OVER IN YOUR MIND 2723 01:40:01,515 --> 01:40:03,150 AND... AND THERE ARE OCCASIONS 2724 01:40:03,150 --> 01:40:04,785 WHERE YOU SAY, "LET ME MULL THIS 2725 01:40:04,785 --> 01:40:05,753 ONE. 2726 01:40:05,753 --> 01:40:07,421 LET ME THINK ON IT." 2727 01:40:07,421 --> 01:40:09,023 BUT IF YOU ENSURE THAT YOU'RE 2728 01:40:09,023 --> 01:40:12,092 WITHIN THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT, 2729 01:40:12,092 --> 01:40:14,962 THEN YOU PRESS FORWARD AND MAKE 2730 01:40:14,962 --> 01:40:18,231 A DECISION. 2731 01:40:18,231 --> 01:40:19,933 Narrator: MOMENTS LATER, 2732 01:40:19,933 --> 01:40:23,870 ANWAR AL-AWLAKI IS DEAD. 2733 01:40:23,870 --> 01:40:25,572 AWLAKI WAS THE LEADER OF 2734 01:40:25,572 --> 01:40:27,207 EXTERNAL OPERATIONS FOR AL 2735 01:40:27,207 --> 01:40:28,374 QAEDA. 2736 01:40:28,374 --> 01:40:29,309 Narrator: NOT SINCE THE CIVIL 2737 01:40:29,309 --> 01:40:30,476 WAR HAS THE U.S. GOVERNMENT 2738 01:40:30,476 --> 01:40:32,245 EXECUTED ONE OF ITS CITIZENS 2739 01:40:32,245 --> 01:40:34,981 WITHOUT AN INDICTMENT, TRIAL OR 2740 01:40:34,981 --> 01:40:36,782 SENTENCING. 2741 01:40:36,782 --> 01:40:38,984 THE PRECEDENT OF AN AMERICAN 2742 01:40:38,984 --> 01:40:41,353 PRESIDENT BEING ABLE TO KILL AN 2743 01:40:41,353 --> 01:40:44,156 AMERICAN CITIZEN UNDER ANY 2744 01:40:44,156 --> 01:40:46,225 CIRCUMSTANCES, ON JUST HIS 2745 01:40:46,225 --> 01:40:49,361 SIGNATURE, IS DANGEROUS. 2746 01:40:49,361 --> 01:40:51,563 THERE WERE NAZIS WHO WERE 2747 01:40:51,563 --> 01:40:53,232 U.S. CITIZENS. 2748 01:40:53,232 --> 01:40:54,132 DOES THAT MAKE THEM LESS OF AN 2749 01:40:54,132 --> 01:40:55,967 ENEMY? 2750 01:40:55,967 --> 01:40:57,168 THERE ARE TERRORISTS WHO ARE 2751 01:40:57,168 --> 01:40:58,603 U.S. CITIZENS. 2752 01:40:58,603 --> 01:41:00,071 DOES THAT SOMEHOW MAKE THEM LESS 2753 01:41:00,071 --> 01:41:00,872 OF AN ENEMY? 2754 01:41:00,872 --> 01:41:02,340 I DON'T THINK SO. 2755 01:41:02,340 --> 01:41:04,041 IN MY BOOK, A TERRORIST IS A 2756 01:41:04,041 --> 01:41:05,643 TERRORIST. 2757 01:41:05,643 --> 01:41:07,411 I WOULD PREFER, UNDER THOSE 2758 01:41:07,411 --> 01:41:08,713 CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT THERE WAS 2759 01:41:08,713 --> 01:41:12,116 SOME KIND OF EXTERNAL BODY WHERE 2760 01:41:12,116 --> 01:41:14,351 THE PRESIDENT WOULD PRESENT THE 2761 01:41:14,351 --> 01:41:16,486 EVIDENCE TO SOMEBODY OUTSIDE OF 2762 01:41:16,486 --> 01:41:18,855 THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, TO SAY, "I 2763 01:41:18,855 --> 01:41:20,223 THINK THIS IS CONCLUSIVE. 2764 01:41:20,223 --> 01:41:22,726 DO YOU THINK THIS IS CONCLUSIVE? 2765 01:41:22,726 --> 01:41:23,860 I DON'T SEE THAT THE 2766 01:41:23,860 --> 01:41:26,229 PRESIDENT EVER ALONE MADE A 2767 01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:28,098 DECISION ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 2768 01:41:28,098 --> 01:41:30,133 THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE 2769 01:41:30,133 --> 01:41:32,534 INVOLVED IN THAT DISCUSSION, 2770 01:41:32,534 --> 01:41:36,839 DEBATE AND DECISION-MAKING. 2771 01:41:36,839 --> 01:41:38,307 THERE'S A PROCESS AND THERE'S 2772 01:41:38,307 --> 01:41:40,709 CERTAINLY A DISCUSSION, BUT, AT 2773 01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:42,578 THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ALL 2774 01:41:42,578 --> 01:41:44,146 PRESIDENT'S APPOINTEES, AND THEN 2775 01:41:44,146 --> 01:41:46,649 IT'S THE PRESIDENT'S SIGNATURE. 2776 01:41:46,649 --> 01:41:48,150 THERE IS NO OUTSIDE REVIEW. 2777 01:41:48,150 --> 01:41:50,352 THERE IS NO EXTERNAL EVALUATION 2778 01:41:50,352 --> 01:41:51,819 OF THE EVIDENCE. 2779 01:41:51,819 --> 01:41:53,421 THIS WAS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, 2780 01:41:53,421 --> 01:41:55,523 AND HE WAS ULTIMATELY TAKEN OUT, 2781 01:41:55,523 --> 01:41:58,026 BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT 2782 01:41:58,026 --> 01:42:00,395 SHOULD BE LEFT TO ONE PERSON, NO 2783 01:42:00,395 --> 01:42:04,198 MATTER WHO THAT PERSON IS. 2784 01:42:04,198 --> 01:42:06,301 Narrator: ANWAR AL-AWLAKI WAS 2785 01:42:06,301 --> 01:42:08,636 JUST ONE MAN, BUT THE C.I.A.'S 2786 01:42:08,636 --> 01:42:11,004 DRONES HAVE KILLED SCORES, 2787 01:42:11,004 --> 01:42:14,041 PERHAPS HUNDREDS WHOSE NAMES ARE 2788 01:42:14,041 --> 01:42:15,709 UNKNOWN. 2789 01:42:15,709 --> 01:42:17,444 (UNINTELLIGIBLE COMMANDS) 2790 01:42:17,444 --> 01:42:19,379 MY WORRY IS THAT THERE ARE 2791 01:42:19,379 --> 01:42:20,981 TOO MANY OF WHAT WE WOULD CALL 2792 01:42:20,981 --> 01:42:23,317 "SIGNATURE STRIKES," WHICH ARE 2793 01:42:23,317 --> 01:42:24,952 AT A GROUP OF SUSPECTED 2794 01:42:24,952 --> 01:42:26,420 TERRORISTS WHERE THE EVIDENCE 2795 01:42:26,420 --> 01:42:28,287 MAY NOT BE THAT CLEAR OF 2796 01:42:28,287 --> 01:42:30,856 SPECIFICALLY WHAT IS GOING ON. 2797 01:42:30,856 --> 01:42:33,526 WHAT ABOUT THE SO-CALLED 2798 01:42:33,526 --> 01:42:35,261 SIGNATURE STRIKES? 2799 01:42:35,261 --> 01:42:36,662 I CAN'T TALK ABOUT SIGNATURE 2800 01:42:36,662 --> 01:42:37,730 STRIKES. 2801 01:42:37,730 --> 01:42:38,698 IF THEY ARE EVEN TAKEN, I DON'T 2802 01:42:38,698 --> 01:42:39,865 KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. 2803 01:42:39,865 --> 01:42:40,967 I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE 2804 01:42:40,967 --> 01:42:42,268 GUYS. 2805 01:42:42,268 --> 01:42:43,302 I DON'T BELIEVE THESE DIRECTORS 2806 01:42:43,302 --> 01:42:46,805 ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF. 2807 01:42:46,805 --> 01:42:48,406 I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THEM. 2808 01:42:48,406 --> 01:42:49,507 YOU HAVE EVERY REASON TO 2809 01:42:49,507 --> 01:42:50,742 BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE BAD GUYS 2810 01:42:50,742 --> 01:42:51,977 THERE AT THE MOMENT. 2811 01:42:51,977 --> 01:42:53,578 YOU DON'T QUITE KNOW THE NAME OF 2812 01:42:53,578 --> 01:42:55,313 THE BAD GUY, BUT YOU KNOW THE 2813 01:42:55,313 --> 01:42:58,049 VAN, YOU KNOW THE WEAPONRY, YOU 2814 01:42:58,049 --> 01:42:59,784 KNOW THE SIZE OF THE GROUP, YOU 2815 01:42:59,784 --> 01:43:00,885 KNOW WHAT KIND OF MEETINGS HAVE 2816 01:43:00,885 --> 01:43:02,887 BEEN HELD THERE BEFORE, YOU KNOW 2817 01:43:02,887 --> 01:43:06,256 THE OTHER VEHICLE THAT PULLED UP 2818 01:43:06,256 --> 01:43:09,960 AND YOU MAKE A DECISION. 2819 01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:12,463 Narrator: JANUARY 2015. 2820 01:43:12,463 --> 01:43:14,131 C.I.A. DRONES STRIKE A TERRORIST 2821 01:43:14,131 --> 01:43:16,567 ENCAMPMENT IN PAKISTAN. 2822 01:43:16,567 --> 01:43:19,436 TO THE AGENCY'S SURPRISE, KILLED 2823 01:43:19,436 --> 01:43:21,238 ALONG WITH THE TERRORISTS ARE 2824 01:43:21,238 --> 01:43:23,306 TWO HOSTAGES, INCLUDING A 2825 01:43:23,306 --> 01:43:26,109 73-YEAR-OLD AMERICAN AID WORKER. 2826 01:43:26,109 --> 01:43:27,176 ON THE BEHALF OF THE UNITED 2827 01:43:27,176 --> 01:43:29,045 STATES GOVERNMENT, I OFFER OUR 2828 01:43:29,045 --> 01:43:30,713 DEEPEST APOLOGIES TO THE 2829 01:43:30,713 --> 01:43:32,281 FAMILIES. 2830 01:43:32,281 --> 01:43:33,816 THESE WERE SIGNATURE STRIKES. 2831 01:43:33,816 --> 01:43:35,551 THE NAMES OF THE TARGETS WERE 2832 01:43:35,551 --> 01:43:36,886 NOT KNOWN. 2833 01:43:36,886 --> 01:43:38,988 MISTAKES, SOMETIMES DEADLY 2834 01:43:38,988 --> 01:43:41,524 MISTAKES, CAN OCCUR. 2835 01:43:41,524 --> 01:43:43,091 IN SOME CASES WHERE PEOPLE 2836 01:43:43,091 --> 01:43:45,060 ENDED UP DEAD, I DON'T KNOW 2837 01:43:45,060 --> 01:43:47,396 WHETHER THEY WERE COLLABORATORS 2838 01:43:47,396 --> 01:43:49,398 OR INNOCENT BYSTANDERS, AND 2839 01:43:49,398 --> 01:43:51,333 THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THESE 2840 01:43:51,333 --> 01:43:53,568 KINDS OF REMOTE BUTTON WARFARE 2841 01:43:53,568 --> 01:43:54,703 GAMES. 2842 01:43:54,703 --> 01:43:56,738 I WOULD RATHER UP CLOSE AND 2843 01:43:56,738 --> 01:43:57,906 PERSONAL. 2844 01:43:57,906 --> 01:43:59,841 THIS IS HARD, ALL RIGHT? 2845 01:43:59,841 --> 01:44:01,242 AND ANYBODY WHO MAKES THESE 2846 01:44:01,242 --> 01:44:02,343 KINDS OF DECISIONS ARE GOING TO 2847 01:44:02,343 --> 01:44:03,811 LOSE SOME SLEEP. 2848 01:44:03,811 --> 01:44:07,081 BUT YOU'D ALSO LOSE SLEEP IF YOU 2849 01:44:07,081 --> 01:44:10,117 FAILED TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS 2850 01:44:10,117 --> 01:44:11,619 AND BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO 2851 01:44:11,619 --> 01:44:14,755 AMERICANS. 2852 01:44:22,829 --> 01:44:32,338 WHEN PEOPLE ASK YOU, "WHAT 2853 01:44:32,338 --> 01:44:33,973 KEEPS YOU AWAKE AT NIGHT?," WHAT 2854 01:44:33,973 --> 01:44:36,409 I WORRIED ABOUT A GREAT DEAL WAS 2855 01:44:36,409 --> 01:44:38,143 THE POTENTIAL FOR A CRIPPLING 2856 01:44:38,143 --> 01:44:40,379 CYBER ATTACK ON THIS COUNTRY, A 2857 01:44:40,379 --> 01:44:43,816 CYBER PEARL HARBOR ATTACK WHICH 2858 01:44:43,816 --> 01:44:46,618 COULD PARALYZE OUR NATION. 2859 01:44:46,618 --> 01:44:48,187 WELL, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF 2860 01:44:48,187 --> 01:44:49,621 DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES THAT 2861 01:44:49,621 --> 01:44:50,689 COULD KEEP YOU UP. 2862 01:44:50,689 --> 01:44:52,491 IT COULD BE EVERYTHING FROM A 2863 01:44:52,491 --> 01:44:54,626 LOOSE NUKE SOMEWHERE, TO THE 2864 01:44:54,626 --> 01:44:57,028 EMPLOYMENT OF SOME KIND OF NOVEL 2865 01:44:57,028 --> 01:45:00,731 W.M.D. ELEMENT IN A DENSELY 2866 01:45:00,731 --> 01:45:02,233 POPULATED AREA OF THE UNITED 2867 01:45:02,233 --> 01:45:05,703 STATES, TO A VERY SOPHISTICATED 2868 01:45:05,703 --> 01:45:08,239 LONE WOLF ATTACK. 2869 01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:10,108 THE HOMEGROWN TERRORIST BIT 2870 01:45:10,108 --> 01:45:12,844 IS A HUGE THREAT, EVEN THOUGH 2871 01:45:12,844 --> 01:45:14,911 NOT IN TERMS OF FATALITIES IN A 2872 01:45:14,911 --> 01:45:15,979 MASSIVE EVENT, BUT IN TERMS OF 2873 01:45:15,979 --> 01:45:17,781 PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE-- GETTING 2874 01:45:17,781 --> 01:45:19,316 US TO DO THINGS TO RESTRICT OUR 2875 01:45:19,316 --> 01:45:20,484 FREEDOMS. 2876 01:45:20,484 --> 01:45:21,818 I MEAN, IF YOU SHUT DOWN EVERY 2877 01:45:21,818 --> 01:45:23,353 MALL IN THE COUNTRY, YOU SHUT 2878 01:45:23,353 --> 01:45:25,021 DOWN THE TRAINS, THE PLANES, THE 2879 01:45:25,021 --> 01:45:26,690 BANKS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, 2880 01:45:26,690 --> 01:45:27,691 YOU'VE DONE... YOU'VE DONE 2881 01:45:27,691 --> 01:45:29,659 SOMETHING. 2882 01:45:29,659 --> 01:45:32,229 Narrator: ONGOING THREATS, 2883 01:45:32,229 --> 01:45:35,030 UNRELENTING PRESSURE-- THE 2884 01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:36,398 BURDEN OF PREVENTING THE NEXT 2885 01:45:36,398 --> 01:45:38,601 TERRORIST ATTACK TAKES A 2886 01:45:38,601 --> 01:45:40,970 PERSONAL TOLL. 2887 01:45:40,970 --> 01:45:43,405 I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GO 2888 01:45:43,405 --> 01:45:46,375 THROUGH THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE 2889 01:45:46,375 --> 01:45:48,410 OF HAVING TO MAKE LIFE AND DEATH 2890 01:45:48,410 --> 01:45:51,813 DECISIONS, HAVING TO EVERY DAY, 2891 01:45:51,813 --> 01:45:55,450 EVERY DAY READ INTELLIGENCE 2892 01:45:55,450 --> 01:45:57,385 ABOUT ALL OF THE EVIL THAT'S OUT 2893 01:45:57,385 --> 01:45:59,354 THERE IN THE WORLD AND THOSE 2894 01:45:59,354 --> 01:46:01,189 THAT WANT TO STRIKE AT US. 2895 01:46:01,189 --> 01:46:02,557 I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GO THROUGH 2896 01:46:02,557 --> 01:46:04,559 THOSE KINDS OF DAYS AND NOT HAVE 2897 01:46:04,559 --> 01:46:06,427 IT AFFECT YOU. 2898 01:46:06,427 --> 01:46:08,396 I THINK IT DOES. 2899 01:46:08,396 --> 01:46:09,697 IT'S HARD TO HAVE A POSITIVE 2900 01:46:09,697 --> 01:46:11,365 VIEW OF HUMAN NATURE. 2901 01:46:11,365 --> 01:46:12,633 THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF DARK 2902 01:46:12,633 --> 01:46:15,035 FORCES AFOOT IN THE WORLD. 2903 01:46:15,035 --> 01:46:17,271 IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO 2904 01:46:17,271 --> 01:46:19,072 LOOK UP AT EVERY PLANE AND WATCH 2905 01:46:19,072 --> 01:46:20,707 EVERY TRAIN, AND YOU THINK, 2906 01:46:20,707 --> 01:46:22,209 "WHAT COULD GO WRONG? 2907 01:46:22,209 --> 01:46:23,477 WHAT COULD GO WRONG? 2908 01:46:23,477 --> 01:46:24,878 I NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT 2909 01:46:24,878 --> 01:46:26,680 CAN GO WRONG." 2910 01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:27,915 I DON'T HAVE A HUSBAND 2911 01:46:27,915 --> 01:46:29,348 ANYMORE. 2912 01:46:29,348 --> 01:46:32,051 I THINK, OVER THE YEARS, I HAD 2913 01:46:32,051 --> 01:46:34,420 JUST BECOME SUCH A ROBOT IN MY 2914 01:46:34,420 --> 01:46:37,256 APPROACH TO LIFE BECAUSE THAT 2915 01:46:37,256 --> 01:46:40,760 WAS WHAT WAS NEEDED ON THE JOB. 2916 01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:42,862 I GOT ALL THE TRAINS OFF ON TIME 2917 01:46:42,862 --> 01:46:44,297 AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING WITH 2918 01:46:44,297 --> 01:46:47,332 THE FAMILY, BUT THEY DON'T 2919 01:46:47,332 --> 01:46:49,000 NECESSARILY SEE ME AS HAVING 2920 01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:50,602 BEEN EMOTIONALLY PRESENT IN 2921 01:46:50,602 --> 01:46:52,437 THEIR LIVES. 2922 01:46:52,437 --> 01:46:54,506 THAT'S A HARD THING TO TAKE. 2923 01:46:54,506 --> 01:46:56,808 THE REASON I'M SO STRONG FOR 2924 01:46:56,808 --> 01:47:00,111 C.I.A. IS, I SAW THEIR DEDICATED 2925 01:47:00,111 --> 01:47:02,247 MEN AND WOMEN THAT WORK THERE 2926 01:47:02,247 --> 01:47:03,515 GET NO CREDIT. 2927 01:47:03,515 --> 01:47:05,350 NOT OUT IN THE OPEN AT ALL. 2928 01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:07,451 AND I JUST ADMIRED THEIR 2929 01:47:07,451 --> 01:47:09,920 PATRIOTISM AND THEIR DEDICATION 2930 01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:11,655 TO THIS COUNTRY. 2931 01:47:11,655 --> 01:47:13,424 IT WAS VERY, VERY HARD. 2932 01:47:13,424 --> 01:47:14,592 YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS NOTICED 2933 01:47:14,592 --> 01:47:16,694 SOMETHING-- WIVES OF C.I.A. 2934 01:47:16,694 --> 01:47:18,162 DIRECTORS. 2935 01:47:18,162 --> 01:47:23,300 THE WIVES ARE, TO A PERSON, OF 2936 01:47:23,300 --> 01:47:24,934 THE VIEW THAT THE EXPERIENCE WAS 2937 01:47:24,934 --> 01:47:30,173 NOT GOOD FOR THEIR HUSBANDS. 2938 01:47:30,173 --> 01:47:31,474 Narrator: THE SPYMASTERS ARE 2939 01:47:31,474 --> 01:47:33,776 ALL TOO HUMAN-- THEIR SUCCESSES 2940 01:47:33,776 --> 01:47:36,579 OFTEN SECRET, THEIR MISTAKES 2941 01:47:36,579 --> 01:47:40,283 EXPOSED AND MAGNIFIED. 2942 01:47:40,283 --> 01:47:41,484 THE SCANDAL COMES AT A 2943 01:47:41,484 --> 01:47:43,218 SENSITIVE TIME FOR PETRAEUS AND 2944 01:47:43,218 --> 01:47:45,220 THE C.I.A. 2945 01:47:45,220 --> 01:47:46,588 DAVID PETRAEUS IS NOT THE 2946 01:47:46,588 --> 01:47:48,056 FIRST HIGH-RANKING WASHINGTON 2947 01:47:48,056 --> 01:47:49,791 OFFICIAL TO HAVE AN AFFAIR, BUT 2948 01:47:49,791 --> 01:47:51,727 HE IS THE FIRST C.I.A. DIRECTOR 2949 01:47:51,727 --> 01:47:53,695 TO RESIGN BECAUSE OF ONE. 2950 01:47:53,695 --> 01:47:55,297 THE PETRAEUS INDISCRETIONS CAME 2951 01:47:55,297 --> 01:47:56,965 TO THE ATTENTION OF THE F.B.I. 2952 01:47:56,965 --> 01:47:59,534 YOU WERE CONFIRMED IN THE JOB 2953 01:47:59,534 --> 01:48:02,803 BY A VOTE OF 92-0. 2954 01:48:02,803 --> 01:48:04,872 PRECIPITOUS FALL. 2955 01:48:04,872 --> 01:48:07,275 HOW TOUGH WAS THAT? 2956 01:48:07,275 --> 01:48:08,709 PRECIPITOUS FALLS ARE VERY 2957 01:48:08,709 --> 01:48:09,844 TOUGH. 2958 01:48:09,844 --> 01:48:11,145 YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SAYING IN 2959 01:48:11,145 --> 01:48:12,246 THE MILITARY, "THE HIGHER YOU GO 2960 01:48:12,246 --> 01:48:13,981 UP THE FLAGPOLE, THE MORE CHANCE 2961 01:48:13,981 --> 01:48:15,816 YOU HAVE TO SHOW YOUR BACKSIDE." 2962 01:48:15,816 --> 01:48:17,918 AND I WAS WELL UP THE FLAGPOLE 2963 01:48:17,918 --> 01:48:22,722 AND DID JUST THAT. 2964 01:48:22,722 --> 01:48:23,857 Narrator: SOME DIRECTORS 2965 01:48:23,857 --> 01:48:25,158 WORRY THAT THE AGENCY'S MISSION 2966 01:48:25,158 --> 01:48:27,794 HAS CHANGED, THAT THE C.I.A., 2967 01:48:27,794 --> 01:48:29,496 ONCE AN INTELLIGENCE AND 2968 01:48:29,496 --> 01:48:31,831 ESPIONAGE SERVICE, HAS BECOME 2969 01:48:31,831 --> 01:48:36,169 TOO FOCUSED ON LETHAL COVERT 2970 01:48:36,169 --> 01:48:41,106 ACTION. 2971 01:48:41,106 --> 01:48:43,409 THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT C.I.A. 2972 01:48:43,409 --> 01:48:45,311 TODAY HAS A MUCH LARGER 2973 01:48:45,311 --> 01:48:47,146 PARAMILITARY MISSION THAN IT 2974 01:48:47,146 --> 01:48:49,381 EVER HAS, GOING ALL THE WAY BACK 2975 01:48:49,381 --> 01:48:50,883 TO ITS ROOTS. 2976 01:48:50,883 --> 01:48:52,718 THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT OVER THE 2977 01:48:52,718 --> 01:48:54,520 LONG-TERM THAT'S NOT A HEALTHY 2978 01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:57,789 THING, BECAUSE THE PRIMARY JOB 2979 01:48:57,789 --> 01:48:59,490 OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE 2980 01:48:59,490 --> 01:49:01,025 AGENCY IS TO COLLECT SECRETS. 2981 01:49:01,025 --> 01:49:02,226 LOOK, I'LL BE TOTALLY CANDID 2982 01:49:02,226 --> 01:49:03,594 WITH YOU. 2983 01:49:03,594 --> 01:49:05,196 AN AWFUL LOT OF WHAT WE NOW CALL 2984 01:49:05,196 --> 01:49:06,964 ANALYSIS IN THE AMERICAN 2985 01:49:06,964 --> 01:49:09,000 INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY IS REALLY 2986 01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:10,335 TARGETING. 2987 01:49:10,335 --> 01:49:11,903 WE'RE SAFER BECAUSE OF IT, BUT 2988 01:49:11,903 --> 01:49:17,541 IT HAS NOT BEEN COST-FREE. 2989 01:49:17,541 --> 01:49:19,042 I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH OF A 2990 01:49:19,042 --> 01:49:21,378 TENDENCY TO GET SO CAUGHT UP IN 2991 01:49:21,378 --> 01:49:24,214 THE SCINTILLATING COVERT WORLD, 2992 01:49:24,214 --> 01:49:26,216 THAT WE FORGET THAT IT'S ON THE 2993 01:49:26,216 --> 01:49:27,818 ANALYTICAL SIDE AND THE 2994 01:49:27,818 --> 01:49:29,853 ESPIONAGE SIDE THAT C.I.A. 2995 01:49:29,853 --> 01:49:33,523 ACTUALLY EARNS ITS MONEY. 2996 01:49:33,523 --> 01:49:34,757 I MEAN, JUST THINK ABOUT THE 2997 01:49:34,757 --> 01:49:36,559 PAST DECADE OR MORE HAD WE NOT 2998 01:49:36,559 --> 01:49:38,227 GONE TO WAR IN IRAQ, WHAT THE 2999 01:49:38,227 --> 01:49:40,896 WORLD WOULD LOOK LIKE. 3000 01:49:40,896 --> 01:49:43,032 SO... AND THAT'S AN ANALYTICAL 3001 01:49:43,032 --> 01:49:44,266 FAILURE. 3002 01:49:44,266 --> 01:49:45,568 IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T 3003 01:49:45,568 --> 01:49:46,602 KILL. 3004 01:49:46,602 --> 01:49:47,803 IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T 3005 01:49:47,803 --> 01:49:48,838 PROTECT YOURSELF. 3006 01:49:48,838 --> 01:49:50,072 THERE'S JUST A BIGGER ISSUE THAT 3007 01:49:50,072 --> 01:49:51,407 YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR ARMS 3008 01:49:51,407 --> 01:49:52,907 AROUND, WHICH IS THE CREATION OF 3009 01:49:52,907 --> 01:49:59,681 TERRORISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE. 3010 01:49:59,681 --> 01:50:01,683 LOOK, LET'S BE VERY CANDID. 3011 01:50:01,683 --> 01:50:03,551 THIS IS ABOUT ISLAM. 3012 01:50:03,551 --> 01:50:04,919 NOW, I'M NOT CRITICIZING ONE OF 3013 01:50:04,919 --> 01:50:06,388 THE WORLD'S GREAT MONOTHEISMS. 3014 01:50:06,388 --> 01:50:08,356 IT'S NOT ABOUT THE QURAN, IT'S 3015 01:50:08,356 --> 01:50:10,058 NOT ABOUT THE PROPHET, BUT IT IS 3016 01:50:10,058 --> 01:50:11,458 ABOUT THE WAY IT IS BEING 3017 01:50:11,458 --> 01:50:16,330 MISUSED. 3018 01:50:16,330 --> 01:50:18,165 MY VIEW OF THIS, FRANKLY, IS 3019 01:50:18,165 --> 01:50:20,000 THAT THIS IS NOT SO MUCH 3020 01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:22,870 RELIGION AS JUST EVIL, AND WE'VE 3021 01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:24,938 ALWAYS HAD TO DEAL WITH EVIL. 3022 01:50:24,938 --> 01:50:28,075 I MEAN, PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO DO 3023 01:50:28,075 --> 01:50:31,477 EVIL THINGS, THEY MAY EXCUSE 3024 01:50:31,477 --> 01:50:34,680 WHAT THEY DO BASED ON JIHAD, 3025 01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:36,115 BASED ON THE POWER OF THE 3026 01:50:36,115 --> 01:50:39,519 CHURCH, BUT DEEP DOWN THESE ARE 3027 01:50:39,519 --> 01:50:44,023 PEOPLE WHO ARE EVIL. 3028 01:50:48,127 --> 01:50:49,494 CIVIL UPRISINGS QUICKLY 3029 01:50:49,494 --> 01:50:51,563 BECAME A TSUNAMI OF CITIZENS 3030 01:50:51,563 --> 01:50:53,698 ROARING FOR FREEDOM. 3031 01:50:53,698 --> 01:50:54,966 THERE'S BEEN A TRANSFORMATION 3032 01:50:54,966 --> 01:50:56,001 OF SORTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST 3033 01:50:56,001 --> 01:50:58,770 BECAUSE THE ARAB SPRING, WHILE 3034 01:50:58,770 --> 01:51:02,274 IT HAS REGRESSED IN SOME WAYS, 3035 01:51:02,274 --> 01:51:03,875 THEY UNLEASHED A SERIES OF 3036 01:51:03,875 --> 01:51:06,611 FORCES THAT BASICALLY SAID, "WE 3037 01:51:06,611 --> 01:51:08,145 WANT A BETTER WAY OF LIFE. 3038 01:51:08,145 --> 01:51:09,613 WE WANT A FUNCTIONING CIVIL 3039 01:51:09,613 --> 01:51:16,787 SOCIETY." 3040 01:51:16,787 --> 01:51:18,989 SO, IN PART, THE 3041 01:51:18,989 --> 01:51:20,925 MESSAGE HAS TO BE TO ISLAM 3042 01:51:20,925 --> 01:51:24,628 ITSELF, IS, YOU HAVE TO CREATE 3043 01:51:24,628 --> 01:51:26,529 VIBRANT CIVIL SOCIETIES THAT 3044 01:51:26,529 --> 01:51:28,798 WORK, THAT CREATE EDUCATIONAL 3045 01:51:28,798 --> 01:51:29,866 OPPORTUNITIES. 3046 01:51:29,866 --> 01:51:31,034 BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THEY HAVE 3047 01:51:31,034 --> 01:51:32,635 TO DO FOR THEMSELVES. 3048 01:51:32,635 --> 01:51:34,103 DEALING WITH THIS 3049 01:51:34,103 --> 01:51:35,305 RADICALIZATION THAT'S TAKING 3050 01:51:35,305 --> 01:51:37,073 PLACE AMONG THESE YOUNG MEN AND 3051 01:51:37,073 --> 01:51:38,174 YOUNG WOMEN IS THE BIGGER 3052 01:51:38,174 --> 01:51:44,246 PROBLEM, AND UNTIL WE GET OUR 3053 01:51:44,246 --> 01:51:46,248 ARMS AROUND THAT, THIS WAR IS 3054 01:51:46,248 --> 01:51:49,718 NOT GOING AWAY. 3055 01:51:49,718 --> 01:51:52,221 THE HARSH TRUTH IS, TERRORISM 3056 01:51:52,221 --> 01:51:53,689 IS RIGHT NOW WORSE THAN IT'S 3057 01:51:53,689 --> 01:51:55,924 EVER BEEN. 3058 01:51:55,924 --> 01:51:57,259 IT'S THE LARGEST SAFE HAVEN 3059 01:51:57,259 --> 01:51:58,494 THEY'VE HAD IN MORE THAN A 3060 01:51:58,494 --> 01:52:00,696 DECADE WITH MONEY, ACCESS, 3061 01:52:00,696 --> 01:52:05,366 NARRATIVE AND TERRITORY. 3062 01:52:05,366 --> 01:52:06,901 I'VE COME TO THE VIEW IN DEALING 3063 01:52:06,901 --> 01:52:09,904 WITH BAD GUYS THAT GENERALLY YOU 3064 01:52:09,904 --> 01:52:11,772 SHOULD BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAY. 3065 01:52:11,772 --> 01:52:12,840 MOST OF THEM ARE GOING TO TRY 3066 01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:13,908 AND DO WHAT THEY TELL YOU 3067 01:52:13,908 --> 01:52:15,076 THEY'RE GOING TO DO. 3068 01:52:15,076 --> 01:52:16,777 FOR NOW, I WOULD SAY THE ISIS' 3069 01:52:16,777 --> 01:52:18,746 OBJECTIVE IS TO CONSOLIDATE 3070 01:52:18,746 --> 01:52:20,815 THEIR POSITION IN THIS SO-CALLED 3071 01:52:20,815 --> 01:52:22,682 CALIPHATE, BUT UNLESS THEY ARE 3072 01:52:22,682 --> 01:52:26,219 STAMPED OUT, THEY'LL COME HERE. 3073 01:52:26,219 --> 01:52:29,723 THEY'LL COME HERE. OUR 3074 01:52:29,723 --> 01:52:31,525 SENSIBILITIES AND SOULS HAVE 3075 01:52:31,525 --> 01:52:34,227 BEEN GERARD BY THE HORRIFIC AND 3076 01:52:34,227 --> 01:52:36,863 WONTON VIOLENCE PERPETRATED UPON 3077 01:52:36,863 --> 01:52:39,432 THE INNOCENT IN THE STREETS, 3078 01:52:39,432 --> 01:52:42,368 CAFES AND CONCERT HALLS 3079 01:52:42,368 --> 01:52:45,104 IN THE BEAUTIFUL CITY OF PARIS. 3080 01:52:45,104 --> 01:52:47,640 TO SAY WE'RE NOT IN THEIR GUN 3081 01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:49,508 SIGHTS REMINDS ME A LITTLE BIT 3082 01:52:49,508 --> 01:52:52,611 TOO MUCH OF PRE-9/11, WHERE 3083 01:52:52,611 --> 01:52:54,547 FRANKLY THE C.I.A. ENCOUNTERED, 3084 01:52:54,547 --> 01:52:56,282 IN MUCH OF THE WORLD, WHAT I 3085 01:52:56,282 --> 01:52:57,416 WOULD CALL A CLIMATE OF 3086 01:52:57,416 --> 01:52:58,483 DISBELIEF. 3087 01:53:06,591 --> 01:53:08,993 I WISH WE WOULD JUST CAPTURE 3088 01:53:08,993 --> 01:53:12,797 SOME PEOPLE. 3089 01:53:12,797 --> 01:53:14,132 I'VE GOT MORE FINGERS ON THIS 3090 01:53:14,132 --> 01:53:15,500 HAND THAN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE 3091 01:53:15,500 --> 01:53:17,100 WE'VE CAPTURED SINCE I LEFT 3092 01:53:17,100 --> 01:53:18,468 GOVERNMENT. 3093 01:53:18,468 --> 01:53:19,836 WE'VE MADE IT SO LEGALLY 3094 01:53:19,836 --> 01:53:21,138 DIFFICULT AND POLITICALLY 3095 01:53:21,138 --> 01:53:22,806 DANGEROUS TO CAPTURE THAT WE 3096 01:53:22,806 --> 01:53:23,907 DON'T. 3097 01:53:23,907 --> 01:53:25,208 WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE RULES 3098 01:53:25,208 --> 01:53:26,777 OF ENGAGEMENT ARE. 3099 01:53:26,777 --> 01:53:28,245 ARE WE DEALING WITH ENEMY 3100 01:53:28,245 --> 01:53:29,413 COMBATANTS? 3101 01:53:29,413 --> 01:53:31,214 ARE WE DEALING WITH CRIMINALS? 3102 01:53:31,214 --> 01:53:33,817 ARE WE DEALING WITH THUGS? 3103 01:53:33,817 --> 01:53:35,518 ARE THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT IS, 3104 01:53:35,518 --> 01:53:36,686 WE SHOOT FIRST? 3105 01:53:36,686 --> 01:53:38,020 WE ONLY SHOOT IF WE GET SHOT AT? 3106 01:53:38,020 --> 01:53:39,522 I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE... 3107 01:53:39,522 --> 01:53:42,758 THE REMEDY TO TERRORISM IS USING 3108 01:53:42,758 --> 01:53:44,627 THE POINTY END OF THE SPEAR, 3109 01:53:44,627 --> 01:53:46,329 KICKING DOWN THE DOORS, TAKING 3110 01:53:46,329 --> 01:53:47,496 ACTION AGAINST THE TERRORIST 3111 01:53:47,496 --> 01:53:48,030 ORGANIZATIONS. 3112 01:53:48,030 --> 01:53:49,365 THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE WE CAN 3113 01:53:49,365 --> 01:53:50,666 KILL OUR WAY OUT OF. 3114 01:53:50,666 --> 01:53:52,368 YOU CANNOT KILL YOUR WAY OUT 3115 01:53:52,368 --> 01:53:53,069 OF THIS. 3116 01:53:53,069 --> 01:53:54,269 YOU CANNOT KILL YOUR WAY OUT. 3117 01:53:54,269 --> 01:53:55,570 YOU CAN'T KILL YOUR WAY OUT 3118 01:53:55,570 --> 01:53:56,338 OF THIS. 3119 01:53:56,338 --> 01:53:57,672 THAT'S A MISTAKE. 3120 01:53:57,672 --> 01:53:58,840 IT'S A MUCH BIGGER ISSUE THAN 3121 01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:00,041 JUST KILLING PEOPLE. 3122 01:54:00,041 --> 01:54:02,010 IT'S MUCH MORE COMPLICATED. 3123 01:54:07,749 --> 01:54:09,117 NOW WE CAN LIVE IN A WORLD 3124 01:54:09,117 --> 01:54:10,485 WHERE WE ALL TRY TO SEE WHO 3125 01:54:10,485 --> 01:54:11,886 COULD BE THE TOUGHEST, THE 3126 01:54:11,886 --> 01:54:15,422 MEANEST AND SO FORTH, BUT IT 3127 01:54:15,422 --> 01:54:16,957 ISN'T GOING TO BE THE KIND OF 3128 01:54:16,957 --> 01:54:18,525 WORLD THAT WE BELIEVE WE WANT 3129 01:54:18,525 --> 01:54:20,494 FOR OUR CHILDREN AND FOR THEIR 3130 01:54:20,494 --> 01:54:26,300 CHILDREN. 3131 01:54:26,300 --> 01:54:28,068 I MAY BE A BIT OF A HERETIC 3132 01:54:28,068 --> 01:54:30,571 BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY SEE 3133 01:54:30,571 --> 01:54:32,939 TERRORISTS OR TERRORISM AS A 3134 01:54:32,939 --> 01:54:34,140 THREAT TO U.S. NATIONAL 3135 01:54:34,140 --> 01:54:40,546 SECURITY. 3136 01:54:40,546 --> 01:54:42,749 TO ME, OUR NATION'S SECURITY IS 3137 01:54:42,749 --> 01:54:45,785 ONLY THREATENED BY US IF WE 3138 01:54:45,785 --> 01:54:48,955 CHOOSE TO CHANGE COURSE AND 3139 01:54:48,955 --> 01:54:53,258 BECOME SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT. 3140 01:54:53,258 --> 01:54:55,360 SO, IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE 3141 01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:58,697 FIGHT AGAINST AL QAEDA AND ISIS, 3142 01:54:58,697 --> 01:54:59,898 THE BIG PICTURE IS A GREAT 3143 01:54:59,898 --> 01:55:02,367 VICTORY FOR US AND A GREAT 3144 01:55:02,367 --> 01:55:04,369 VICTORY FOR THEM. 3145 01:55:04,369 --> 01:55:05,971 OUR GREAT VICTORY HAS BEEN THE 3146 01:55:05,971 --> 01:55:08,973 DEGRADATION, DECIMATION, NEAR 3147 01:55:08,973 --> 01:55:11,342 DEFEAT OF THAT AL QAEDA CORE 3148 01:55:11,342 --> 01:55:13,611 THAT BROUGHT THAT TRAGEDY TO OUR 3149 01:55:13,611 --> 01:55:15,446 SHORES ON 9/11. 3150 01:55:15,446 --> 01:55:16,981 THEIR GREAT VICTORY HAS BEEN THE 3151 01:55:16,981 --> 01:55:19,717 SPREAD OF THEIR IDEOLOGY ACROSS 3152 01:55:19,717 --> 01:55:22,453 A HUGE GEOGRAPHIC AREA. 3153 01:55:22,453 --> 01:55:29,526 THAT'S BEEN THEIR GREAT VICTORY. 3154 01:55:29,526 --> 01:55:32,562 I FEAR AND I REALIZE THAT 3155 01:55:32,562 --> 01:55:34,898 WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE AN END TO 3156 01:55:34,898 --> 01:55:36,433 TERRORISM IN MY LIFETIME OR MY 3157 01:55:36,433 --> 01:55:39,269 CHILDREN'S LIFETIME. 3158 01:55:47,342 --> 01:55:55,384 WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO 3159 01:56:04,158 --> 01:56:05,359 CONTINUE TO DO OUR JOBS EVERY 3160 01:56:05,359 --> 01:56:07,495 DAY TO MINIMIZE TO THE GREATEST 3161 01:56:07,495 --> 01:56:08,996 EXTENT POSSIBLE THE ABILITY OF 3162 01:56:08,996 --> 01:56:11,099 THESE INDIVIDUALS TO 3163 01:56:11,099 --> 01:56:13,000 SUCCESSFULLY CARRY OUT THESE... 3164 01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:17,138 THESE TERRORIST ACTS. 3165 01:56:17,138 --> 01:56:18,339 THAT'S WHAT INTELLIGENCE IS 3166 01:56:18,339 --> 01:56:19,407 REALLY TRYING TO DO. 3167 01:56:19,407 --> 01:56:20,742 WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE TIME AND 3168 01:56:20,742 --> 01:56:22,976 SPACE TO POLICY MAKERS, TO OUR 3169 01:56:22,976 --> 01:56:25,011 DIPLOMATS, TO OUR NEGOTIATORS TO 3170 01:56:25,011 --> 01:56:26,379 RESOLVE SOME OF THESE 3171 01:56:26,379 --> 01:56:27,647 OUTSTANDING ISSUES AND TENSIONS 3172 01:56:27,647 --> 01:56:31,251 THAT EXIST IN THE WORLD. 3173 01:56:31,251 --> 01:56:32,790 THE REALITY IS THAT 3174 01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:34,725 INTELLIGENCE OR DIRECT ACTION 3175 01:56:34,725 --> 01:56:37,528 ONLY BUYS YOU SPACE. 3176 01:56:37,528 --> 01:56:39,163 IT RARELY SOLVES THE PROBLEM ON 3177 01:56:39,163 --> 01:56:40,598 ITS OWN. 3178 01:56:40,598 --> 01:56:42,133 AND IF POLITICAL LEADERS DON'T 3179 01:56:42,133 --> 01:56:43,801 HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL OR THE 3180 01:56:43,801 --> 01:56:45,102 COURAGE OR WHATEVER IT TAKES TO 3181 01:56:45,102 --> 01:56:47,571 USE THE SPACE, YOU GET INTO THIS 3182 01:56:47,571 --> 01:56:49,006 LOOP WHERE YOU GET TO KILL 3183 01:56:49,006 --> 01:56:51,308 PEOPLE FOREVER. 3184 01:56:53,644 --> 01:56:56,113 Captioning sponsored by CBS 3185 01:56:59,083 --> 01:57:00,785 Captioned by 3186 01:57:00,785 --> 01:57:02,953 Media Access Group at WGBH 3187 01:57:02,953 --> 01:57:05,122 access.wgbh.org