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Hello.

2
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Yeah.

3
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Uh, we're going to go
on a mission right now.

4
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Uh, so will you come with me?

5
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Oh.

6
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You will.

7
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So I'm going down
the street, and I get a hit.

8
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Heath, Heath, Heath...

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and, sure enough,
the next day, I said,

10
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"I'm going to hear about
something...Heath.

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There's something going on."

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The next day, I got your email.

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I honestly think
that the earth is off axis.

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I think there's something

15
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that is universally
out of alignment...

16
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with what happened.

17
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I'm not supposed to be
talking about this with you.

18
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This is...

19
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This isn't supposed
to be being made.

20
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This is fucked up.

21
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Like, this is not something

22
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that is supposed
to be happening right now.

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♪ I'm tearing up ♪

24
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Heath was
the most alive human...

25
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and if it wasn't on the edge,
it didn't interest him.

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If there wasn't a risk,
some type of risk involved,

27
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he had no time for it.

28
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He went all the way out
in the time that he had.

29
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He went all the way to the edge.

30
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Some people
are just bigger than...

31
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the world has room for.

32
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♪ Still alive who you love ♪

33
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♪ Still alive who you love ♪

34
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He already
had this vision

35
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as to where he was going to be.

36
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He had these little shiny stars
on the ceiling

37
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that he put up
in this old house.

38
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He said, you know,
"That's where I'm going to be."

39
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He said, "I'm going
to be in the film industry,"

40
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and he said, "I'm going
to be a film actor."

41
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Heath used to follow

42
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his sister Kate, you know,

43
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all her productions
that she was at at school.

44
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Heath being in the front row
like this, for every single one.

45
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"That's what I want to do.

46
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I can't wait
'til I can do that."

47
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He excelled
in everything he did.

48
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Chess was his biggest passion.

49
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"Please,
just let me win one game.

50
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Why are you just, like,
thinking of it at this level?"

51
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Great at art,

52
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amazing athlete...

53
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Heath used to get into scraps.

54
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He was a good fighter.

55
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I remember the conversations

56
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about Heath wanting
to leave school

57
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and travel across Australia.

58
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I was quite shocked
at the time because he was 17.

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It was like trying
to settle a wild stallion

60
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at the time.

61
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You may as well
make a friend of them

62
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and support them
as best you can and love them,

63
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and let's hope
that everything turns out.

64
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I've got nothing
to run away from in Perth.

65
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I love my family.

66
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I love my friends.
I love the city.

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It's just there was all this
going on outside of that,

68
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and I just had to be part of it.

69
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Heath and Trevor,

70
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they were out
to conquer the world,

71
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the two of them.

72
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Pretty much waited for the day
for me to finish school,

73
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and he was like,
"Let's go to Sydney."

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It was literally
jumping in our car

75
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and planting the foot down
and just bolting out.

76
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I wanted to just get out there
and do it.

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♪ March, march ♪

78
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♪ Said march, march ♪

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From there,
things moved on pretty quick.

80
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♪ Fists in the air
as we march on ♪

81
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We're going to Bondi.

82
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We're just starting there.

83
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Roll together.

84
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Come on in, boys and girls.

85
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You get what you want.

86
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He took me
to all these auditions,

87
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all these interviews...

88
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Never asked.
He just did it.

89
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He got a role
in an American TV series, Roar.

90
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He had the lead role.

91
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Action!

92
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You'll be lucky
if you live that long.

93
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Great. Cut!

94
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Now he's an actor.
It was serious.

95
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We went to the Gold Coast.

96
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We were put up in a two-
bedroom high-rise apartment

97
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overlooking the ocean.

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Money, as a 17-year-old,
was impressive.

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"Wow, here we are."

100
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Everything
kept moving forward.

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Hello.

102
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Lisa was a real woman,

103
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very classy.

104
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He looked up to her.

105
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They fell in love
really quickly.

106
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She guided him.

107
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She could see
the potential in him.

108
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Lisa, where are we going?

109
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She took his hand
and opened a lot of doors.

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He followed her from Australia.

111
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She was, like, "Come to L.A."

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Dumb-looking photo.

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♪ We march on ♪

114
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I never moved there
expecting anything to happen.

115
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I kind of went there
with the attitude

116
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of "Well,
I've got nothing to lose."

117
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Heath arrived at some odd hour,

118
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and he turns around
and looks at me with a big smile

119
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and says "Hello!"

120
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Of course,
the first thing I noticed

121
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was his gigantic smile.

122
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My roommate, Lisa Zane,
knew, in her words,

123
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that he was going to clean up,

124
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meaning
be successful in Hollywood.

125
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I think
she was the first to know that.

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Hello.
How was your day?

127
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Oh, it was fun.

128
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There's a book called
The Sentimental Education,

129
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and I feel
that's what he got from Lisa.

130
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Lisa took him
to the Venice Carnevale...

131
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and they shot
8-millimeter film...

132
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and would wear the costumes...

133
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and, to me,

134
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that was a part of what
created him as an actor.

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I gave him my friend's script,
10 Things I Hate About You.

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He read the script and said,

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"I really like
the role of Patrick,"

138
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and I said,
"Isn't Patrick the lead?"

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He said,
"Yes, Patrick's the lead,

140
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and that's the part I want,"

141
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and when he came back
from the audition,

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he said, "I got Patrick,"

143
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and I was like, "Really?
You got the lead?"

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and that's when I realized
that Heath was...

145
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different.

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No offence or anything.

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I mean, I know everyone
digs your sister,

148
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but, um...

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she's without.

150
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Maybe we should do
this another time.

151
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Sometimes
people break through

152
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because of one thing,

153
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whether it's good looks
or talent or timing or...

154
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you know, who knows,

155
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but he sort of had
everything down.

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One of the most powerful things
for an actor,

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particularly for a man,
is their voice...

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I've thrown a football, what,

159
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a few times in my life, so...

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And their physicality...

161
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And their, you know,
level of masculinity,

162
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and he had all of those things
in spades.

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There was a bunch of kids

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staying in a hotel.

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Everyone had their own suites,

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and he brought everyone
together,

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so by the time I got there,
the parties were in his room.

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10 Things
was when he really felt

169
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that, "Okay, this is my career.

170
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I'm an actor now."

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By then,
he had his agent, Steve.

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He knew the industry,

173
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but he didn't really
know the industry.

174
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He'd only been in it
for 18 months.

175
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It was
pretty early in my career.

176
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You know, he was
one of my early clients.

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He was looking for people
that he could trust.

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Home to sleep.

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It was just obvious.

180
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He just had
this great swagger about him.

181
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So how long have
you been acting?

182
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About...

183
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20 years.

184
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How old are you?

185
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20.

186
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You could tell we were going
to be on to something.

187
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So one of the things
that happens

188
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is when you're good
at something in a movie,

189
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everyone offers you
that same thing.

190
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So he did a great job

191
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being in a teen romantic
comedy, basically,

192
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and so anything that, you know,

193
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sort of resembled
10 Things I Hate About You

194
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came his way,

195
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and, of course, that's exactly
what he didn't want to do next.

196
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He wanted to mix it up
and find a new challenge.

197
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That moment
was a very important next step.

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"Okay, what do we want
to do next?

199
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What do we really want to do
if we have a choice?"

200
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People in Hollywood,
they don't like to hear "no,"

201
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you know...

202
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and so I had a lot of fun
saying "no."

203
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He was always very friendly.

204
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He never seemed
out of sorts about it,

205
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but he knew what he didn't want.

206
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He was always very appreciative

207
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of coming to a house
full of art and artists.

208
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I am filming
right now.

209
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He got this camera,

210
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and he didn't know what to do
other than to make something.

211
00:10:01,351 --> 00:10:03,604
It wasn't just to film us
and film what we were doing.

212
00:10:03,812 --> 00:10:07,941
He was, like, creating
something straight away.

213
00:10:10,110 --> 00:10:12,446
He always used to say to me,
"Don't forget your camera,"

214
00:10:12,654 --> 00:10:14,698
and I was like, "What am I going
to film between here and there?"

215
00:10:14,906 --> 00:10:18,076
and he was like, "I don't care.
You could film your feet."

216
00:10:18,285 --> 00:10:20,912
But we'd watch
a lot of our videos back.

217
00:10:21,121 --> 00:10:23,749
He was just... curious,
and watching it, and, like,

218
00:10:23,957 --> 00:10:25,375
thinking how
he could do things different.

219
00:10:26,918 --> 00:10:27,669
That's how he learned.

220
00:10:27,878 --> 00:10:29,046
He never studied...

221
00:10:29,254 --> 00:10:30,756
anything, really.

222
00:10:30,964 --> 00:10:33,175
He was self-taught.

223
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He could really see
what he was doing

224
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and how to do that better
or different...

225
00:10:38,472 --> 00:10:39,640
Hmm.

226
00:10:39,848 --> 00:10:40,849
Even if it
was the way he smiled

227
00:10:41,058 --> 00:10:42,100
or where he was looking,

228
00:10:42,309 --> 00:10:45,103
he'd make a lot of things
just for himself,

229
00:10:45,312 --> 00:10:46,563
just to teach himself.

230
00:10:48,857 --> 00:10:50,317
That's right...

231
00:10:50,525 --> 00:10:52,194
<i>And evil
super-villains.</i>

232
00:10:52,402 --> 00:10:53,695
Evil super-villains.

233
00:10:53,904 --> 00:10:55,072
<i>... civilian men and women...</i>

234
00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:56,615
Who?

235
00:10:59,534 --> 00:11:00,911
Got it, boss.

236
00:11:01,119 --> 00:11:01,912
Let's go!

237
00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,581
Okay, I've got my mission.

238
00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:05,874
We're at the peephole.

239
00:11:06,083 --> 00:11:09,961
You never know
who's out there waiting.

240
00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:10,962
Okay.

241
00:11:20,764 --> 00:11:21,390
Hey.

242
00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:28,230
Did they know?

243
00:12:25,162 --> 00:12:28,707
Okay, he's not there.

244
00:12:28,915 --> 00:12:30,125
Let's keep on looking.

245
00:12:30,333 --> 00:12:32,002
Down here.

246
00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,338
Good Lord.

247
00:13:16,546 --> 00:13:17,923
It was an effort.

248
00:13:18,131 --> 00:13:20,258
Thank God I made it.

249
00:13:20,467 --> 00:13:22,594
What's this? A message?

250
00:13:22,803 --> 00:13:24,513
It must be from him.

251
00:13:24,721 --> 00:13:26,306
Oh, my God...

252
00:13:44,074 --> 00:13:47,410
The screen test for The Patriot
came up with Mel Gibson,

253
00:13:47,619 --> 00:13:49,913
who's the biggest
Australian movie star.

254
00:13:50,121 --> 00:13:51,915
That was one of his idols,

255
00:13:52,123 --> 00:13:54,793
and he loved,
you know, Mad Max and...

256
00:13:55,001 --> 00:13:57,796
It was a huge,
huge thing for him.

257
00:13:58,004 --> 00:14:01,049
It was an actual screen test
and costume on the set

258
00:14:01,258 --> 00:14:02,384
with the main star.

259
00:14:04,094 --> 00:14:05,720
I was halfway
through the second scene

260
00:14:05,929 --> 00:14:07,138
that I had to read for them,

261
00:14:07,347 --> 00:14:09,683
and words were just bluhblbl,
coming out like this,

262
00:14:09,891 --> 00:14:12,853
and so I just stopped
and stood up

263
00:14:13,061 --> 00:14:14,104
and I said, "I'm sorry.
I'm wasting your time."

264
00:14:14,312 --> 00:14:17,107
Heath called me and said,

265
00:14:17,315 --> 00:14:18,733
"They're not calling you
on this one.

266
00:14:18,942 --> 00:14:20,569
I just didn't do well,"

267
00:14:20,777 --> 00:14:22,988
and it was something,
enough there

268
00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:25,866
that Roland Emmerich
and the studio and Mel

269
00:14:26,074 --> 00:14:28,410
all looked at each other
and, I think, said,

270
00:14:28,618 --> 00:14:29,953
"You know, let's take a shot."

271
00:14:32,038 --> 00:14:35,292
So this is, um,
first day shooting.

272
00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:36,793
This is the first day
on The Patriot for me.

273
00:14:37,002 --> 00:14:38,295
I'm looking forward to it.

274
00:14:38,503 --> 00:14:40,380
It's been three months since
I found out I got this job,

275
00:14:40,589 --> 00:14:43,008
and finally, after three months
of sitting around

276
00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:44,092
thinking about it,

277
00:14:44,301 --> 00:14:45,635
I get to go out there
and do it.

278
00:14:45,844 --> 00:14:47,220
This is it.

279
00:14:48,763 --> 00:14:51,016
So...

280
00:14:51,224 --> 00:14:52,893
Blink my eyes,
and it'll be out there.

281
00:14:55,562 --> 00:14:57,314
Guys, guys,
Heath's here, guys.

282
00:14:57,522 --> 00:14:58,356
Everybody look alive.

283
00:15:06,197 --> 00:15:07,490
It was a huge production.

284
00:15:09,034 --> 00:15:11,369
It was a little terrifying

285
00:15:11,578 --> 00:15:14,331
to be in another city
with no friends,

286
00:15:14,539 --> 00:15:17,042
and you're just sitting there
on your own.

287
00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:19,628
It's a lonely life.

288
00:15:19,836 --> 00:15:20,879
Cut.

289
00:15:21,087 --> 00:15:22,797
That's why he took me
to most places

290
00:15:23,006 --> 00:15:24,174
is that it was us.

291
00:15:27,385 --> 00:15:28,511
Hee hee hee hee.

292
00:15:30,180 --> 00:15:31,598
We met riding our bikes

293
00:15:31,806 --> 00:15:32,682
out in the street,

294
00:15:32,891 --> 00:15:35,644
and we just became
best friends.

295
00:15:35,852 --> 00:15:39,147
We felt...
at home together.

296
00:15:39,356 --> 00:15:43,193
You could tell that he was...
he wanted to do a good job.

297
00:15:45,153 --> 00:15:47,572
He was still learning.

298
00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:57,916
I'm not going back.

299
00:15:58,124 --> 00:16:01,252
No, I didn't
expect you would.

300
00:16:05,548 --> 00:16:07,676
That Gates is a damn fool.

301
00:16:09,803 --> 00:16:11,805
He spent too many years
in the British army.

302
00:16:12,013 --> 00:16:14,516
Going muzzle to muzzle with
Redcoats in open field...

303
00:16:14,724 --> 00:16:15,850
it's madness.

304
00:16:16,059 --> 00:16:18,103
He called me one day
from the set,

305
00:16:18,311 --> 00:16:19,896
really upset.

306
00:16:22,816 --> 00:16:26,111
He was having a hard time,
and he was struggling,

307
00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:28,613
just a crisis of confidence.

308
00:16:37,872 --> 00:16:38,790
He was probably, in his head,

309
00:16:38,999 --> 00:16:40,500
he's standing across
from his idol,

310
00:16:40,709 --> 00:16:42,794
acting with Mel Gibson.

311
00:16:43,003 --> 00:16:45,255
For a young Aussie kid,
it was a lot.

312
00:16:47,924 --> 00:16:49,217
He would get caught up
in the fear

313
00:16:49,426 --> 00:16:51,428
of whether or not
he could accomplish

314
00:16:51,636 --> 00:16:53,847
what he wanted to do.

315
00:16:54,055 --> 00:16:55,849
He kind of almost pulled out
of every movie

316
00:16:56,057 --> 00:16:58,309
he ever ended up doing.

317
00:17:01,771 --> 00:17:04,107
It's kind of
a rule of thumb for me

318
00:17:04,315 --> 00:17:05,942
to self-doubt,

319
00:17:06,151 --> 00:17:07,318
always think
that I shouldn't be doing it,

320
00:17:07,527 --> 00:17:08,445
and I don't know how to do it,

321
00:17:08,653 --> 00:17:10,363
and I'm going to fail,

322
00:17:10,572 --> 00:17:12,490
and that I fooled them,

323
00:17:12,699 --> 00:17:14,993
and I always try
and find a way out.

324
00:17:19,497 --> 00:17:20,999
And he got past it,

325
00:17:21,207 --> 00:17:21,916
and Mel was great.

326
00:17:22,125 --> 00:17:23,334
Mel was so generous with him

327
00:17:23,543 --> 00:17:24,711
and really took him
under his wing

328
00:17:24,919 --> 00:17:26,963
and was amazing.

329
00:17:27,172 --> 00:17:28,173
I'm sorry.

330
00:17:28,381 --> 00:17:29,716
Be quiet.

331
00:17:29,924 --> 00:17:31,926
I'll take care of you.
You're going to be all right.

332
00:17:32,135 --> 00:17:33,470
Father...

333
00:17:35,638 --> 00:17:39,267
I'm sorry... about Thomas.

334
00:17:43,563 --> 00:17:44,773
Mel really taught him

335
00:17:44,981 --> 00:17:46,191
how to come in and out
of a character.

336
00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,613
He definitely learned
how to relax a little,

337
00:17:51,821 --> 00:17:53,782
rather than building himself
up of, like,

338
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:56,451
"I've got this scene,
and I've got to do this."

339
00:17:58,369 --> 00:18:01,790
I think Mel was
the first teacher that he had.

340
00:18:01,998 --> 00:18:04,209
Heath used to say to me,
"It's not what Mel says.

341
00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:05,335
It's what he doesn't say."

342
00:18:14,844 --> 00:18:16,096
It's good.
I'm happy to be finished.

343
00:18:16,304 --> 00:18:17,597
It was long.

344
00:18:17,806 --> 00:18:20,391
It was really fun, though,
and they're really great people,

345
00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,562
and I'm going to catch
a plane in two hours.

346
00:18:24,771 --> 00:18:27,190
Mel had said,
"Well, I'm taking my jet.

347
00:18:27,398 --> 00:18:28,358
Do you guys want
to come with me?"

348
00:18:28,566 --> 00:18:30,860
Mel Gibson's inviting us
on his jet...

349
00:18:34,739 --> 00:18:35,740
and, all of a sudden,
there we are,

350
00:18:35,949 --> 00:18:37,909
with Mel on his jet,

351
00:18:38,118 --> 00:18:40,370
cruising back to L.A.

352
00:18:40,578 --> 00:18:42,413
It was definitely,
definitely a moment.

353
00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,682
So we were always
going on adventures

354
00:19:00,890 --> 00:19:02,725
and looking
for the next adventure

355
00:19:02,934 --> 00:19:04,561
that was exciting and fun.

356
00:19:07,272 --> 00:19:09,149
He'd finished a film.

357
00:19:09,357 --> 00:19:10,275
He had downtime.

358
00:19:10,483 --> 00:19:12,068
We went to Burning Man in '99.

359
00:19:20,994 --> 00:19:21,703
Oh, cool.

360
00:19:27,417 --> 00:19:28,418
We were excited

361
00:19:28,626 --> 00:19:30,003
because we knew
nothing about it.

362
00:19:31,171 --> 00:19:31,796
Cool.

363
00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:37,635
The creativity
that exists there

364
00:19:37,844 --> 00:19:40,638
and the ability to ride bikes
morning, noon, and night...

365
00:19:42,265 --> 00:19:43,183
I think Burning Man

366
00:19:43,391 --> 00:19:44,726
was Heath's favorite place
on Earth.

367
00:19:49,355 --> 00:19:50,356
Do you want
a whiskey, Trevor?

368
00:19:50,565 --> 00:19:51,232
I'd love a whiskey.

369
00:19:51,441 --> 00:19:53,026
Whiskey.

370
00:19:53,234 --> 00:19:55,987
Whiskey and hot dogs.
Nice.

371
00:19:56,196 --> 00:19:58,323
It was a bunch
of half-naked people

372
00:19:58,531 --> 00:20:00,617
and dance music 24-7,

373
00:20:00,825 --> 00:20:04,329
and we fit in really well.

374
00:20:11,461 --> 00:20:14,047
Heath lived every moment
to the fullest.

375
00:20:20,345 --> 00:20:24,766
He was always looking to create
something out of the situation.

376
00:20:30,438 --> 00:20:31,231
Cool...

377
00:20:31,439 --> 00:20:32,523
You see?

378
00:20:35,902 --> 00:20:37,403
He was an artist.

379
00:20:37,612 --> 00:20:39,656
He loved to paint.
He loved to draw.

380
00:20:39,864 --> 00:20:42,742
Cameras
were a big passion of his.

381
00:20:42,951 --> 00:20:44,869
He knew the lighting
that was available.

382
00:20:45,078 --> 00:20:47,789
He knew the speed of the film
that was in his camera

383
00:20:47,997 --> 00:20:50,667
and what he could set it at
without using a light meter.

384
00:20:52,835 --> 00:20:55,630
The cameras were a part of him.

385
00:21:10,186 --> 00:21:12,313
Heath and I
had mutual friends,

386
00:21:12,522 --> 00:21:13,398
so it was a setup.

387
00:21:13,606 --> 00:21:16,109
We met,

388
00:21:16,317 --> 00:21:18,027
and that was it.

389
00:21:18,236 --> 00:21:19,028
That was it.

390
00:21:20,488 --> 00:21:24,284
There were always
cameras around...

391
00:21:24,492 --> 00:21:25,618
a video camera,

392
00:21:25,827 --> 00:21:28,997
or a Polaroid camera,
or the film camera.

393
00:21:29,205 --> 00:21:32,750
I was amazed when I saw
all of the stuff together...

394
00:21:35,044 --> 00:21:37,171
and how many photographs...

395
00:21:37,380 --> 00:21:39,674
I mean, he was
documenting everything.

396
00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:42,677
He was just surrounded

397
00:21:42,885 --> 00:21:46,264
by all of those moments
he was in,

398
00:21:46,472 --> 00:21:47,765
and then surrounded by them,

399
00:21:47,974 --> 00:21:49,684
but then he'd be capturing
the next moment

400
00:21:49,892 --> 00:21:52,437
and the next moment, you know,
and the next moment.

401
00:21:54,105 --> 00:21:55,565
Didn't stop.
It never stopped...

402
00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:02,864
and the way
he was able to be in the moment

403
00:22:03,072 --> 00:22:05,450
and then capture the moment
on the camera...

404
00:22:07,118 --> 00:22:12,290
He just got you
in your most authentic self.

405
00:22:12,498 --> 00:22:14,375
You know, he really got me.

406
00:22:14,584 --> 00:22:17,170
I think that's a beautiful thing

407
00:22:17,378 --> 00:22:20,298
because he's saying, you know,
through his photographs,

408
00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:22,133
"I see you."

409
00:22:25,219 --> 00:22:28,806
The art was more of a need,
almost,

410
00:22:29,015 --> 00:22:33,394
to live in the world
and then capture the world.

411
00:22:33,603 --> 00:22:37,398
He would draw on it
or scratch on it

412
00:22:37,607 --> 00:22:39,317
or use crayon or nail polish.

413
00:22:41,152 --> 00:22:43,905
He wanted to take it all
with him.

414
00:22:52,413 --> 00:22:53,748
That's the only way
I think of him,

415
00:22:53,956 --> 00:22:55,375
with the camera
in the hand.

416
00:22:57,168 --> 00:23:00,088
That was just Heath.

417
00:23:04,634 --> 00:23:06,386
His mates from Perth,

418
00:23:06,594 --> 00:23:08,679
they were
a very close, warm,

419
00:23:08,888 --> 00:23:13,101
loving, you know,
tight group of friends,

420
00:23:13,309 --> 00:23:16,896
and he loved
having them around.

421
00:23:17,105 --> 00:23:19,565
Okay, so I take the 101 south.

422
00:23:19,774 --> 00:23:21,692
He had, like,
15 years of friendship

423
00:23:21,901 --> 00:23:24,529
with kids that we went
to kindergarten with

424
00:23:24,737 --> 00:23:26,197
that we'd graduated
high school with.

425
00:23:26,406 --> 00:23:28,658
Heath always kept them close.

426
00:23:30,618 --> 00:23:32,161
I was privileged
enough to go over

427
00:23:32,370 --> 00:23:35,123
and see how his life was,

428
00:23:35,331 --> 00:23:37,250
and it was
incredibly enticing,

429
00:23:37,458 --> 00:23:38,584
incredibly alluring.

430
00:23:38,793 --> 00:23:40,420
Oh, my goodness,
this has to be, like,

431
00:23:40,628 --> 00:23:43,089
the world
that everyone wants to live.

432
00:23:43,297 --> 00:23:44,674
Kane Manera
from The Strokes...

433
00:23:46,259 --> 00:23:47,510
I think it was the first trip,

434
00:23:47,718 --> 00:23:48,886
driving around, and he says,

435
00:23:49,095 --> 00:23:50,096
"I've got to go
to a friend's house."

436
00:23:50,304 --> 00:23:51,556
Knock on the door,

437
00:23:51,764 --> 00:23:52,640
and he's got this, like,

438
00:23:52,849 --> 00:23:56,185
slightly cheeky look
on his face.

439
00:23:56,394 --> 00:23:57,186
Door opens.

440
00:23:57,395 --> 00:23:59,897
Naomi Campbell answers.

441
00:24:00,106 --> 00:24:02,024
I still have Naomi Campbell
pictures on my wall

442
00:24:02,233 --> 00:24:03,151
at this point.

443
00:24:04,861 --> 00:24:06,237
So I'm doing my best job
of just...

444
00:24:07,572 --> 00:24:09,031
"Hey, how are ya?
Nice to meet you,"

445
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,032
and I'm thinking,

446
00:24:10,241 --> 00:24:11,075
"I guess
this is what Heath does.

447
00:24:11,284 --> 00:24:12,535
This is how it is now.

448
00:24:12,743 --> 00:24:13,953
Just rolls
to Naomi Campbell's house."

449
00:24:17,498 --> 00:24:19,041
Heath! Heath!

450
00:24:22,628 --> 00:24:24,839
Heath's place was renowned

451
00:24:25,047 --> 00:24:27,758
for having a stream

452
00:24:27,967 --> 00:24:30,011
of Australian actors
and whatnots

453
00:24:30,219 --> 00:24:31,053
living there.

454
00:24:31,262 --> 00:24:33,014
Casting directors would ask you,

455
00:24:33,222 --> 00:24:36,184
"And are you one of the Aussies
that lives at Heath's place?"

456
00:24:37,852 --> 00:24:41,939
Yeah, we lived
in Los Feliz in this house

457
00:24:42,148 --> 00:24:43,941
where the doors were just open,

458
00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:46,194
and people would come
and stay.

459
00:24:46,402 --> 00:24:50,615
Joel Edgerton and Heath
were close friends early on,

460
00:24:50,823 --> 00:24:52,867
and he came over,
and Martin Henderson...

461
00:24:53,075 --> 00:24:54,118
I did.

462
00:24:54,327 --> 00:24:55,286
Rose Byrne,

463
00:24:55,495 --> 00:24:57,455
Gregor Jordan,
you know, the director...

464
00:24:57,663 --> 00:24:59,582
You would never know
who's staying at Heath's house.

465
00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:02,752
Everyone and anyone
was welcome, you know?

466
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,588
He had such generosity
of spirit.

467
00:25:05,796 --> 00:25:08,591
It's just miraculous,
the energy...

468
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:10,801
him, arms open, as always.

469
00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:13,471
The Australian thing,
to me, was like,

470
00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:14,972
yeah, come one, come all,
you know?

471
00:25:15,181 --> 00:25:16,307
Like, hang out.

472
00:25:16,516 --> 00:25:18,309
Let's make this fun.

473
00:25:18,518 --> 00:25:20,686
People would stay a long time,
sometimes.

474
00:25:20,895 --> 00:25:21,687
It was...

475
00:25:21,896 --> 00:25:23,314
a bit longer than necessary,

476
00:25:23,523 --> 00:25:24,941
but, um, but it was fun.

477
00:25:25,149 --> 00:25:28,069
You've flown around the world.

478
00:25:28,277 --> 00:25:31,906
Staying somewhere in L.A.
for a couple of months?

479
00:25:32,114 --> 00:25:34,492
That... phew... costs a lot,

480
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:39,455
and I had nothing going on
work-wise.

481
00:25:39,664 --> 00:25:40,456
Nothing.

482
00:25:40,665 --> 00:25:42,166
It sort of didn't matter.

483
00:25:44,544 --> 00:25:46,337
Upstairs, they had
a couple turntables.

484
00:25:46,546 --> 00:25:47,755
They had a DJ setup.

485
00:25:47,964 --> 00:25:49,632
"Come in.
We're going to do this.

486
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,801
What do you feel like?
Just chill out.

487
00:25:52,009 --> 00:25:53,302
Oh, this is my record room.
This is the sunroom.

488
00:25:53,511 --> 00:25:55,763
Have you heard of Nick Drake?
You've got to listen to this."

489
00:25:55,972 --> 00:25:57,598
Puts it on, boom....

490
00:25:57,807 --> 00:26:00,434
At his house,
he had a big record collection,

491
00:26:00,643 --> 00:26:01,686
and he could have a big party,

492
00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:04,355
and he would always be
at the music.

493
00:26:04,564 --> 00:26:07,149
Music was definitely something
that was in him

494
00:26:07,358 --> 00:26:08,859
that he... he loved.

495
00:26:11,988 --> 00:26:13,906
With him, it was just
friends to hang out with

496
00:26:14,115 --> 00:26:17,243
and share the journey.

497
00:26:17,451 --> 00:26:21,330
He was very big
on sharing his success.

498
00:26:21,539 --> 00:26:23,374
Heath's place
in L.A. was sort of

499
00:26:23,583 --> 00:26:27,545
a renowned pre-Entourage
kind of entourage house.

500
00:26:27,753 --> 00:26:31,132
In fact,
when I was staying there,

501
00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:34,969
Adrian Grenier was there
at one of these nights.

502
00:26:35,177 --> 00:26:37,972
There was a bit of drinking
and carrying on going on.

503
00:26:38,180 --> 00:26:39,599
Then I often fancy

504
00:26:39,807 --> 00:26:42,768
that he was doing
a bit of research

505
00:26:42,977 --> 00:26:45,938
on a functioning entourage,

506
00:26:46,147 --> 00:26:47,732
'cause Heath wasn't there,

507
00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:49,775
so, you know, "Vinnie,"
as it were,

508
00:26:49,984 --> 00:26:51,402
would've been away
making a film.

509
00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:59,577
There were times
people were there, he wasn't.

510
00:26:59,785 --> 00:27:01,370
I mean, he was on a set
somewhere, working on a movie,

511
00:27:01,579 --> 00:27:02,413
you know, in Europe,

512
00:27:02,622 --> 00:27:04,498
and his house was full.

513
00:27:41,077 --> 00:27:42,161
We were in Prague.

514
00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:44,038
For the first time,
we're really in Europe,

515
00:27:44,246 --> 00:27:45,623
and we're living there.

516
00:27:45,831 --> 00:27:48,709
We're there for pre-production.

517
00:27:51,545 --> 00:27:52,505
Knight's Tale

518
00:27:52,713 --> 00:27:54,674
was an interesting moment
in his career.

519
00:27:54,882 --> 00:27:56,258
Amy Pascal, who runs Sony
at the time,

520
00:27:56,467 --> 00:27:59,970
really, really loved Heath
and appreciated him

521
00:28:00,179 --> 00:28:01,514
and wanted him in everything.

522
00:28:03,766 --> 00:28:04,809
Hyah!

523
00:28:05,017 --> 00:28:05,893
Forward!

524
00:28:06,102 --> 00:28:07,269
Hyah!

525
00:28:16,278 --> 00:28:19,323
Heath really gave
an incredible amount of dignity

526
00:28:19,532 --> 00:28:20,574
to his characters,

527
00:28:20,783 --> 00:28:24,078
even in a film
that's as sort of whimsical

528
00:28:24,286 --> 00:28:25,079
and light, in its way,

529
00:28:25,287 --> 00:28:26,288
as A Knight's Tale.

530
00:28:26,497 --> 00:28:31,168
It's very hard to be
as solid as he was.

531
00:28:31,377 --> 00:28:32,920
You know, at first,
it was a shock.

532
00:28:33,129 --> 00:28:34,422
You know, I read it.

533
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:37,508
"Queen, 'We Will Rock You,'
rises as they enter the arena."

534
00:28:37,717 --> 00:28:39,552
I think I almost
closed the script on that line

535
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,512
because I was thinking,
oh, it's one of those movies

536
00:28:41,721 --> 00:28:43,139
that's trying to, you know,
mix the two,

537
00:28:43,347 --> 00:28:46,475
but as I read further into it,
it explained itself.

538
00:28:46,684 --> 00:28:48,519
The rock 'n' roll music
destroys any barriers

539
00:28:48,728 --> 00:28:50,354
that are restricting us
to historical truths.

540
00:28:50,563 --> 00:28:52,148
You know, it's a fairy tale.

541
00:28:52,356 --> 00:28:53,649
We want the audience
to walk in there

542
00:28:53,858 --> 00:28:55,234
and to be transported.

543
00:29:09,665 --> 00:29:11,625
We went to Sony
for a marketing meeting

544
00:29:11,834 --> 00:29:12,877
on A Knight's Tale.

545
00:29:13,085 --> 00:29:15,713
Studio president,
studio executives

546
00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:17,965
were all there, doing their job,

547
00:29:18,174 --> 00:29:19,717
excited about the film,
excited about Heath...

548
00:29:19,925 --> 00:29:20,926
very excited about Heath.

549
00:29:24,972 --> 00:29:26,849
The poster and the campaign
was "He Will Rock You."

550
00:29:27,057 --> 00:29:28,851
It was really built on Heath,

551
00:29:29,059 --> 00:29:31,937
you know, the images,
Heath's face...

552
00:29:32,146 --> 00:29:33,147
he looks like a rock star,

553
00:29:33,355 --> 00:29:34,774
and the tag line,
"He Will Rock You,"

554
00:29:34,982 --> 00:29:36,484
and those posters
were all over the city,

555
00:29:36,692 --> 00:29:38,152
all over Los Angeles.

556
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,488
He was, like,
"Whoa, that's my face."

557
00:29:40,696 --> 00:29:43,073
The posters were everywhere.

558
00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:45,534
He knew
that would be projecting him

559
00:29:45,743 --> 00:29:47,953
into the limelight.

560
00:29:48,162 --> 00:29:49,747
There was a moment

561
00:29:49,955 --> 00:29:52,500
where they talked about Heath
was going to go city by city

562
00:29:52,708 --> 00:29:54,627
and talk about the movie,

563
00:29:54,835 --> 00:29:57,379
and, you know, he was going
to be the secret weapon.

564
00:29:57,588 --> 00:30:03,636
William!

565
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,727
I could see him getting more
and more upset, you know?

566
00:30:11,936 --> 00:30:12,937
We were sitting
next to each other,

567
00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:14,438
and I kinda,
out of the corner of my eye,

568
00:30:14,647 --> 00:30:16,982
could tell he was getting very
uncomfortable and fidgeting,

569
00:30:17,191 --> 00:30:20,027
and he finally whispered to me
that he needed to leave,

570
00:30:20,236 --> 00:30:21,862
he needed to get out
of the room for a second,

571
00:30:22,071 --> 00:30:25,282
"Can you excuse me?"
and he got up.

572
00:30:25,491 --> 00:30:27,284
I followed him.

573
00:30:27,493 --> 00:30:29,161
He was in the bathroom.

574
00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:31,413
...Sitting there
just freaking out,

575
00:30:31,622 --> 00:30:33,582
working out what the hell
he was gonna do,

576
00:30:33,791 --> 00:30:35,042
trying to stick to his guns.

577
00:30:37,211 --> 00:30:38,295
There's this thing
in Australia

578
00:30:38,504 --> 00:30:40,589
called the tall poppy syndrome,
you know?

579
00:30:40,798 --> 00:30:43,634
If one grows too high,
whsst,

580
00:30:43,843 --> 00:30:45,970
you get cut down back to size,

581
00:30:46,178 --> 00:30:49,306
and, as an Australian,
you identify with it.

582
00:30:49,515 --> 00:30:51,725
If you do get too successful,

583
00:30:51,934 --> 00:30:53,018
it's sort of,
there's something that's...

584
00:30:53,227 --> 00:30:54,270
You feel ugly.

585
00:30:56,397 --> 00:30:57,398
Being a salesman

586
00:30:57,606 --> 00:30:58,816
and going out
and talking about the movie

587
00:30:59,024 --> 00:31:00,109
and selling the film,

588
00:31:00,317 --> 00:31:01,944
that was
the part of the business

589
00:31:02,152 --> 00:31:04,446
that I think he was
least comfortable with...

590
00:31:04,655 --> 00:31:06,156
Really, really
had a hard time with.

591
00:31:06,365 --> 00:31:08,701
He wanted fame...

592
00:31:08,909 --> 00:31:10,744
And then when he got it,
he didn't want it.

593
00:31:12,371 --> 00:31:16,083
He was mortified,
and he felt owned.

594
00:31:16,292 --> 00:31:17,668
His image, not their image...

595
00:31:17,877 --> 00:31:20,921
Him, his face,
his heart, his soul.

596
00:31:21,130 --> 00:31:24,341
I remember he told me,
"I'm not gonna be that guy.

597
00:31:24,550 --> 00:31:26,302
I have no interest
in being that guy.

598
00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:28,596
I'm not that guy,
and I'll show you."

599
00:31:28,804 --> 00:31:31,599
Hey, do you
know what you did?

600
00:31:31,807 --> 00:31:33,309
Do you know what you did?

601
00:31:33,517 --> 00:31:35,394
Are you listening to me?

602
00:31:35,603 --> 00:31:37,396
Do you know
what you did?

603
00:31:37,605 --> 00:31:39,273
Do you know what you did?

604
00:31:39,481 --> 00:31:40,608
You fucked him up!

605
00:31:40,816 --> 00:31:44,695
He gets to come in,
play this role,

606
00:31:44,904 --> 00:31:46,155
and break your heart.

607
00:31:48,365 --> 00:31:51,744
In the script Monster's Ball,
he felt there was a journey

608
00:31:51,952 --> 00:31:56,415
that would take him
to another place, another level.

609
00:31:56,624 --> 00:32:02,296
He saw something about himself
that attracted him,

610
00:32:02,504 --> 00:32:04,048
that he wanted
to experiment with,

611
00:32:04,256 --> 00:32:05,966
he wanted to play with,

612
00:32:06,175 --> 00:32:08,886
and that gave him
a perfect opportunity.

613
00:32:24,234 --> 00:32:26,654
He's a supporting role,

614
00:32:26,862 --> 00:32:27,780
but I remember him

615
00:32:27,988 --> 00:32:30,407
more than anything else
in the movie,

616
00:32:30,616 --> 00:32:31,450
and he didn't do much.

617
00:32:31,659 --> 00:32:34,370
He was sort of deadpan,
you know?

618
00:32:34,578 --> 00:32:36,538
He didn't do a lot
of busy performances.

619
00:32:36,747 --> 00:32:38,582
That's the power
of Heath Ledger,

620
00:32:38,791 --> 00:32:42,419
even when he was young,
even as a supporting actor,

621
00:32:42,628 --> 00:32:45,005
he will steal the movie,
steal the whole show.

622
00:32:45,214 --> 00:32:47,925
It sort of turned
things a little bit,

623
00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:51,136
and people viewed him
a slightly different way,

624
00:32:51,345 --> 00:32:53,681
a little bit more
of a dramatic actor.

625
00:32:53,889 --> 00:32:56,475
When I read Spider-Man,
I talked to him about it,

626
00:32:56,684 --> 00:32:58,811
and he was almost immediate
that he said,

627
00:32:59,019 --> 00:33:00,020
"That makes no sense for me.

628
00:33:00,229 --> 00:33:02,564
I can't possibly
be Peter Parker."

629
00:33:02,773 --> 00:33:03,941
He was looking, always,

630
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:06,568
for something that was
gonna be truly challenging,

631
00:33:06,777 --> 00:33:07,903
to try to figure out ways

632
00:33:08,112 --> 00:33:10,572
that he could absolutely
disappear into a character

633
00:33:10,781 --> 00:33:12,199
and almost be unrecognizable.

634
00:33:12,408 --> 00:33:15,035
That's what really drove him.

635
00:33:19,373 --> 00:33:22,292
In his process of picking
what film he was gonna do,

636
00:33:22,501 --> 00:33:24,378
most of that came
from who was directing it.

637
00:33:24,586 --> 00:33:26,547
Shekhar was a director

638
00:33:26,755 --> 00:33:28,632
that he always wanted
to work with.

639
00:33:30,384 --> 00:33:34,221
He recommended Heath,
myself...

640
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:38,225
We go out in the desert
by ourselves.

641
00:33:38,434 --> 00:33:40,686
You know, just the two of us.

642
00:33:43,731 --> 00:33:46,900
Heath stood there,
looking down the valley,

643
00:33:47,109 --> 00:33:51,447
and we both
just started yelling,

644
00:33:51,655 --> 00:33:55,784
trying to see how far
your voice will carry.

645
00:33:55,993 --> 00:33:57,578
It's you and the desert.

646
00:33:57,786 --> 00:34:00,039
You're forced
to look at yourself.

647
00:34:00,247 --> 00:34:01,707
The impression
you have of yourself

648
00:34:01,915 --> 00:34:02,875
when you look in the mirror

649
00:34:03,083 --> 00:34:04,334
is up to you.

650
00:34:04,543 --> 00:34:07,046
You can see
whatever you want to see,

651
00:34:07,254 --> 00:34:09,965
and you can be
whoever you want to be.

652
00:34:12,718 --> 00:34:14,970
He was really
at the start of a journey

653
00:34:15,179 --> 00:34:18,140
that was a lot more focused
as an artist.

654
00:34:20,392 --> 00:34:22,519
Acting is learning
about the life around you

655
00:34:22,728 --> 00:34:24,229
and the person you are.

656
00:34:24,438 --> 00:34:26,356
You can learn all the techniques
in the world,

657
00:34:26,565 --> 00:34:28,233
but if you know nothing
about life and yourself,

658
00:34:28,442 --> 00:34:30,652
then you're at a loss.

659
00:34:30,861 --> 00:34:32,196
And since
we have to believe it,

660
00:34:32,404 --> 00:34:34,031
for us, for the audience
to believe

661
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,533
what you're putting out there,

662
00:34:36,742 --> 00:34:39,161
you must believe it yourself.

663
00:34:39,369 --> 00:34:44,333
I will not be responsible
for your death.

664
00:34:44,541 --> 00:34:47,169
How could you be responsible
for my death?

665
00:34:51,757 --> 00:34:54,426
I will die
if it is God's will...

666
00:34:55,969 --> 00:34:57,513
Yes?

667
00:34:59,890 --> 00:35:02,226
That film was a bit
of a soul-searching.

668
00:35:02,434 --> 00:35:04,061
We all grew from that film.

669
00:35:05,979 --> 00:35:09,066
He told me that when
they wrapped his character,

670
00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:12,402
he stood in the middle
of the whole set

671
00:35:12,611 --> 00:35:14,947
and collapsed.

672
00:35:27,584 --> 00:35:30,712
I'd been asked to
do this movie called Ned Kelly.

673
00:35:30,921 --> 00:35:32,589
A small role,

674
00:35:32,798 --> 00:35:36,343
but I was interested
because of Heath.

675
00:35:36,552 --> 00:35:39,388
I thought he was really
a powerful young actor.

676
00:35:41,223 --> 00:35:45,811
I remember the first day on-set,
and I was blown away.

677
00:35:46,019 --> 00:35:49,565
I just felt an incredible
connection very quickly,

678
00:35:49,773 --> 00:35:54,361
so intense that it was
sort of quite shocking.

679
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:01,535
We connected about acting,

680
00:36:01,743 --> 00:36:03,912
and he saw the work
that I was putting in

681
00:36:04,121 --> 00:36:05,497
and also working
with a dialect coach

682
00:36:05,706 --> 00:36:07,166
and acting coaches,

683
00:36:07,374 --> 00:36:08,584
and he was looking
to change it up.

684
00:36:10,544 --> 00:36:14,464
His approach to his work
was always very intense.

685
00:36:14,673 --> 00:36:16,425
He had the voice down.

686
00:36:16,633 --> 00:36:20,512
He had these sort of
intense eyes.

687
00:36:23,223 --> 00:36:27,519
It takes some real focus
to make that shift

688
00:36:27,728 --> 00:36:30,522
into the world of what
he felt was more artistic.

689
00:36:32,941 --> 00:36:36,486
He really, truly was an artist.

690
00:36:36,695 --> 00:36:39,198
We knew his visual talent
from the photography,

691
00:36:39,406 --> 00:36:42,868
but I didn't know that
it was going to get so serious.

692
00:36:46,538 --> 00:36:47,497
He called me,

693
00:36:47,706 --> 00:36:49,166
and he was like,
"Man, I've got this idea,

694
00:36:49,374 --> 00:36:50,500
and we're gonna
make this video."

695
00:36:50,709 --> 00:36:53,212
I'm thinking,
"You've got so much to do.

696
00:36:53,420 --> 00:36:55,130
How do you have time
to consider me?

697
00:36:55,339 --> 00:36:56,340
How do you have time
to think about this?

698
00:36:56,548 --> 00:36:58,550
How do you even
have the care?"

699
00:36:58,759 --> 00:37:00,010
That's what was going on
in my head

700
00:37:00,219 --> 00:37:01,845
while he's talking me
through this idea.

701
00:37:02,054 --> 00:37:04,223
"How? How do you do this?

702
00:37:04,431 --> 00:37:06,516
How do you stay so active?
How do you stay so interested?

703
00:37:06,725 --> 00:37:08,769
How do you burn so bright
all the time?"

704
00:37:08,977 --> 00:37:10,854
It's just how he always was,

705
00:37:11,063 --> 00:37:13,607
and I was more than happy
to be one of his test subjects

706
00:37:13,815 --> 00:37:15,150
towards becoming a director...

707
00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:16,276
<i>Ca use an effect...</i>

708
00:37:16,485 --> 00:37:17,361
...And let's just do it.

709
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:19,446
Let's just grab a camera
and shoot.

710
00:37:22,616 --> 00:37:25,077
Okay, let's
do your eye.

711
00:37:25,285 --> 00:37:25,911
All right.

712
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:27,371
So let's get on with it.

713
00:37:27,579 --> 00:37:28,372
♪ Hum ♪

714
00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:29,498
♪ Hum ♪

715
00:37:29,706 --> 00:37:31,750
♪ Hum hum hum ♪

716
00:37:31,959 --> 00:37:35,003
Yeah.
♪ Hum hum hum hum hum ♪

717
00:37:35,212 --> 00:37:36,463
Let's do it.

718
00:37:36,672 --> 00:37:38,966
Throw ya hands
in the sky with me

719
00:37:39,174 --> 00:37:41,718
Put 'em up like a dirty cop
told ya to freeze

720
00:37:41,927 --> 00:37:43,679
Now close ya hands
to a fist and squeeze

721
00:37:43,887 --> 00:37:46,056
If you represent freedom
and you fight for peace

722
00:37:46,265 --> 00:37:47,182
It's the all-out fallout

723
00:37:47,391 --> 00:37:48,433
I'll come if you call

724
00:37:48,642 --> 00:37:49,601
Run with it quick
I'm fitted fit

725
00:37:49,810 --> 00:37:50,978
More fit than 'em all

726
00:37:51,186 --> 00:37:53,063
More fitter than them
busty booty MILFs at the mall

727
00:37:53,272 --> 00:37:54,147
Milk leakin' out the tit

728
00:37:54,356 --> 00:37:55,524
I pounce quick and I maul

729
00:37:55,732 --> 00:37:57,693
Them baller cats
need to sit back on the bench

730
00:37:57,901 --> 00:38:00,153
N'fa's the fresh breath
amongst the virulent stench

731
00:38:00,362 --> 00:38:01,071
The violence won't end

732
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,489
I document with Biro or pen

733
00:38:02,698 --> 00:38:04,074
Blood leaking
while they're freaking

734
00:38:04,283 --> 00:38:05,575
I'm performing
and trying to take it in

735
00:38:05,784 --> 00:38:07,703
and trying to impress my mate.

736
00:38:07,911 --> 00:38:10,330
Despite who he is to the world,
he's still my mate,

737
00:38:10,539 --> 00:38:12,666
and I'm trying to impress that
and get him going,

738
00:38:12,874 --> 00:38:13,875
and he's getting me going.

739
00:38:16,461 --> 00:38:18,171
Throw ya hands
in the sky with me

740
00:38:18,380 --> 00:38:20,882
Put 'em up like a dirty cop
told ya to freeze

741
00:38:21,091 --> 00:38:22,467
Now close ya hands
to a fist and squeeze

742
00:38:22,676 --> 00:38:25,095
The louder he got,
the more into it I got.

743
00:38:26,138 --> 00:38:27,806
I grab my balls
and I spit on the floor

744
00:38:28,015 --> 00:38:30,058
Throw a fist for freedom
to shock all y'all

745
00:38:30,267 --> 00:38:31,268
No 50/50

746
00:38:31,476 --> 00:38:32,644
If you ain't with me
then fuck all y'all

747
00:38:32,853 --> 00:38:33,812
If ya with me
let me hear ya roar

748
00:38:34,021 --> 00:38:35,105
Come on now

749
00:38:35,314 --> 00:38:36,606
If he wants me
to bark at me what to do,

750
00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:37,733
Imma take it,

751
00:38:37,941 --> 00:38:40,527
because the best guy
in the planet

752
00:38:40,736 --> 00:38:42,529
is telling me how to be better.

753
00:38:42,738 --> 00:38:44,823
If you represent freedom
and you fight for peace

754
00:38:45,032 --> 00:38:46,450
To work with one
of my very best friends

755
00:38:46,658 --> 00:38:47,659
and do something creative,

756
00:38:47,868 --> 00:38:49,286
like, there's not much better
than that.

757
00:38:49,494 --> 00:38:51,413
Now close ya hands
to a fist and squeeze

758
00:38:51,621 --> 00:38:54,041
If you represent freedom
and you fight for peace

759
00:39:01,882 --> 00:39:02,507
It's big today.

760
00:39:03,842 --> 00:39:04,926
They're there, huh?

761
00:39:05,135 --> 00:39:06,178
That's Skip charging.

762
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:15,896
Shit, dude.

763
00:39:16,104 --> 00:39:17,731
My first concern

764
00:39:17,939 --> 00:39:19,733
when I heard that he wanted
to play the part

765
00:39:19,941 --> 00:39:22,944
was I kind of really wanted
more of a character actor,

766
00:39:23,153 --> 00:39:23,987
in a way.

767
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,574
Philip Seymour Hoffman
looked more like Skip,

768
00:39:27,783 --> 00:39:30,202
then Heath Ledger is, like,
a heartthrob or whatever.

769
00:39:30,410 --> 00:39:31,328
I'm like, "Wait a minute.

770
00:39:31,536 --> 00:39:33,789
I don't know
if this is gonna work."

771
00:39:33,997 --> 00:39:35,624
Heath, he came in
and talked to me,

772
00:39:35,832 --> 00:39:37,542
how he would really
get into that character

773
00:39:37,751 --> 00:39:39,086
and craft it,

774
00:39:39,294 --> 00:39:43,382
and he decided he had to get
teeth made like Skip's teeth...

775
00:39:43,590 --> 00:39:45,467
Back to the boneyard
for you, pal.

776
00:39:45,675 --> 00:39:48,303
...So that he would feel
that he was Skip

777
00:39:48,512 --> 00:39:50,222
and talk the way Skip talked.

778
00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:53,475
This interest in the exterior
and the craft

779
00:39:53,683 --> 00:39:56,269
and the way that the characters
would look and sound

780
00:39:56,478 --> 00:39:58,897
and physically look onscreen,

781
00:39:59,106 --> 00:40:00,816
he was sort of a painter
in that way,

782
00:40:01,024 --> 00:40:03,485
but he also had a psychological
interest in his characters.

783
00:40:03,693 --> 00:40:04,986
Oh, nice socks, man.

784
00:40:05,195 --> 00:40:06,488
Nice socks, nice socks.

785
00:40:06,696 --> 00:40:08,031
If you don't have
a sense of play

786
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,574
and if you're too serious,

787
00:40:09,783 --> 00:40:12,327
the odds are you're gonna be
too much of a tightass

788
00:40:12,536 --> 00:40:15,872
to create characters.

789
00:40:16,081 --> 00:40:16,832
Skip Engblom

790
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,459
and the Zephyr
skateboard team.

791
00:40:19,668 --> 00:40:20,502
Here's our entry fees.

792
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:22,254
Now, where's
our trophies?

793
00:40:22,462 --> 00:40:23,672
I don't think
he would be afraid

794
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,715
to try any acting technique.

795
00:40:25,924 --> 00:40:27,050
He had a confidence,

796
00:40:27,259 --> 00:40:30,262
but he wasn't afraid
to go and check the monitor

797
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:32,222
and watch playback afterwards.

798
00:40:37,227 --> 00:40:39,771
He wanted to keep exploring
with it and pushing it.

799
00:40:39,980 --> 00:40:42,482
He knew that he'd get it right
when the time came.

800
00:40:42,691 --> 00:40:45,277
Well, Heath was just so open
and curious

801
00:40:45,485 --> 00:40:47,821
and absorbing
everything around him.

802
00:40:50,740 --> 00:40:52,159
He fully transformed himself.

803
00:40:52,367 --> 00:40:54,828
He has a wig, he has the teeth,

804
00:40:55,036 --> 00:40:58,248
and he just slides
into this crazy other skin.

805
00:41:02,878 --> 00:41:04,963
One thing that
I don't think people realize,

806
00:41:05,172 --> 00:41:07,466
as fantastic as he was
in Brokeback Mountain,

807
00:41:07,674 --> 00:41:10,677
he left Lords of Dogtown

808
00:41:10,886 --> 00:41:14,389
and was playing that role
about seven days later.

809
00:41:14,598 --> 00:41:16,016
Come on,
you fuckin' homo.

810
00:41:16,224 --> 00:41:20,479
I probably fancied
that I was staying in character

811
00:41:20,687 --> 00:41:24,107
by teasing him about going
to do this gay cowboy movie,

812
00:41:24,316 --> 00:41:27,152
and I said one...

813
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,614
one ribbing too much
about the Brokeback,

814
00:41:30,822 --> 00:41:33,742
and he just gave me this look.

815
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:36,953
It was like, "shut the fuck up,"

816
00:41:37,162 --> 00:41:41,583
and I realized, I was like...

817
00:41:41,791 --> 00:41:46,546
And, um, I didn't say anything
about it afterwards.

818
00:41:57,724 --> 00:42:00,101
Before Brokeback Mountain
came out,

819
00:42:00,310 --> 00:42:01,478
it would've been unthinkable

820
00:42:01,686 --> 00:42:07,234
to have a romantic tragedy
involving two gay cowboys,

821
00:42:07,442 --> 00:42:11,196
which are the very symbol
of American masculinity.

822
00:42:32,175 --> 00:42:36,012
This is one of the biggest
heartthrobs on Earth

823
00:42:36,221 --> 00:42:39,057
taking on that character.

824
00:42:39,266 --> 00:42:43,436
That's balls,
and that's an artist.

825
00:42:48,525 --> 00:42:50,402
When his name
popped up from casting,

826
00:42:50,610 --> 00:42:53,363
I did have a little hesitation.

827
00:42:53,572 --> 00:42:56,032
I didn't know at that time
if he can carry a movie,

828
00:42:56,241 --> 00:42:59,327
which is what he needs to do
in Brokeback Mountain.

829
00:42:59,536 --> 00:43:01,371
Monster's Ball
is really the reason

830
00:43:01,580 --> 00:43:03,915
I chose him
for Brokeback Mountain.

831
00:43:04,124 --> 00:43:05,000
I was that impressed.

832
00:43:07,752 --> 00:43:09,462
The bottom line is,

833
00:43:09,671 --> 00:43:11,548
we're around each other,

834
00:43:11,756 --> 00:43:16,469
and this thing
grabs hold of us again

835
00:43:16,678 --> 00:43:21,266
in the wrong place
and the wrong time,

836
00:43:21,474 --> 00:43:22,267
then we're dead.

837
00:43:23,768 --> 00:43:25,145
The self-hatred
and complexity,

838
00:43:25,353 --> 00:43:26,938
that just caught me right away.

839
00:43:27,147 --> 00:43:28,398
He clenched his fists

840
00:43:28,607 --> 00:43:30,692
and biting his teeth
the whole time.

841
00:43:32,444 --> 00:43:34,904
There was no doubt in his mind

842
00:43:35,113 --> 00:43:36,906
he was that person.

843
00:43:37,115 --> 00:43:39,951
If you can find
that character in you,

844
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,038
then that's your success.

845
00:43:43,246 --> 00:43:44,456
That's golden.

846
00:43:44,664 --> 00:43:46,625
That's...that's the magic.

847
00:43:48,168 --> 00:43:50,003
Ennis, I wanted him
to be clenched,

848
00:43:50,211 --> 00:43:52,297
and I wanted his mouth
to be a clenched fist,

849
00:43:52,505 --> 00:43:53,590
and I wanted the words

850
00:43:53,798 --> 00:43:55,759
to be just punching
their way out from within,

851
00:43:55,967 --> 00:43:59,554
and just any form of expression
had to be painful.

852
00:43:59,763 --> 00:44:02,515
Heath played a character
that was very few words.

853
00:44:02,724 --> 00:44:05,101
That's the impression
people get.

854
00:44:05,310 --> 00:44:06,311
That's why he's a good actor.

855
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:08,647
He has the most lines
in the movie,

856
00:44:08,855 --> 00:44:12,025
but he just say it
like a man with few words.

857
00:44:12,233 --> 00:44:15,570
He just has to while...
doing those lines.

858
00:44:18,865 --> 00:44:20,450
I don't like actor
to look at monitor,

859
00:44:20,659 --> 00:44:23,703
'cause I think actor
is to be seen

860
00:44:23,912 --> 00:44:27,207
and the monitor is
for filmmakers to look at,

861
00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:28,500
the viewers to look at,

862
00:44:28,708 --> 00:44:30,627
and when these actors
look at themselves,

863
00:44:30,835 --> 00:44:31,795
it messes up
their performances.

864
00:44:32,003 --> 00:44:33,129
It's too aware.

865
00:44:33,338 --> 00:44:36,466
I've never had anybody
argue with me on that one,

866
00:44:36,675 --> 00:44:38,927
but Heath is the only person...

867
00:44:39,135 --> 00:44:40,804
He would just walk up
to the camera.

868
00:44:41,012 --> 00:44:43,431
At first,
I was a little taken aback,

869
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,725
'cause I have to say that
or he'll watch it anyway.

870
00:44:45,934 --> 00:44:47,769
It doesn't look
like he's self-aware.

871
00:44:47,977 --> 00:44:49,187
It just got better.

872
00:44:49,396 --> 00:44:53,775
Take after take,
he tried to hit a target.

873
00:44:53,983 --> 00:44:56,319
There is a target
he tried to hit,

874
00:44:56,528 --> 00:44:58,071
and when he hits it,
it's beautiful.

875
00:45:03,076 --> 00:45:06,538
Michelle is a brilliant actress
and person, as well,

876
00:45:06,746 --> 00:45:08,665
very intelligent,
natural for that role.

877
00:45:12,627 --> 00:45:13,420
The performance they have,

878
00:45:13,628 --> 00:45:16,548
that relationship in the movie,

879
00:45:16,756 --> 00:45:17,674
was really memorable.

880
00:45:19,676 --> 00:45:21,761
We're filming the toboggan,

881
00:45:21,970 --> 00:45:23,263
and I look at the producer,

882
00:45:23,471 --> 00:45:26,599
I look at the stunt coordinator,
and "Yeah, it's a toboggan."

883
00:45:26,808 --> 00:45:27,517
Whsssh...

884
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:33,022
And they flip.

885
00:45:33,231 --> 00:45:36,609
It didn't look like much
from where we were seeing,

886
00:45:36,818 --> 00:45:38,361
but she was hurt,

887
00:45:38,570 --> 00:45:40,113
and when we reached
the hospital,

888
00:45:40,321 --> 00:45:41,823
we saw Heath
sort of holding her hand,

889
00:45:42,031 --> 00:45:43,616
trying to comfort her,

890
00:45:43,825 --> 00:45:47,078
and it was pretty obvious,
his interest in her,

891
00:45:47,287 --> 00:45:48,913
so that's pretty quickly
it happened.

892
00:45:51,958 --> 00:45:54,377
He goes,
"I want you to meet Michelle."

893
00:45:54,586 --> 00:45:55,587
She hugs me in this way

894
00:45:55,795 --> 00:45:59,007
that she kind of climbs
into my entire soul

895
00:45:59,215 --> 00:46:00,675
and squeezes me.

896
00:46:00,884 --> 00:46:01,634
I've never
been squeezed like that

897
00:46:01,843 --> 00:46:04,471
by someone I hadn't met before.

898
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:05,972
Like, "Oh,
it's so nice to meet you..."

899
00:46:06,181 --> 00:46:08,057
That sweet accent that she has.

900
00:46:10,810 --> 00:46:12,020
He said, "I've got a surprise."

901
00:46:14,606 --> 00:46:16,441
"I'm gonna be a father."

902
00:46:16,649 --> 00:46:17,609
He was pumped.

903
00:46:17,817 --> 00:46:19,152
He was so excited.

904
00:46:21,321 --> 00:46:22,197
You know, after Brokeback,

905
00:46:22,405 --> 00:46:23,865
it really started to happen.

906
00:46:24,073 --> 00:46:27,702
It was gonna be
an important film,

907
00:46:27,911 --> 00:46:30,747
and there wasn't him
leaving the room.

908
00:46:30,955 --> 00:46:33,333
There was a level of maturity

909
00:46:33,541 --> 00:46:36,711
that this was something
that he could handle.

910
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,713
Michelle!
Together!

911
00:46:38,922 --> 00:46:40,965
It's incredible
just to what extent

912
00:46:41,174 --> 00:46:43,468
this film has changed my life.

913
00:46:43,676 --> 00:46:47,472
It's quite miraculous.

914
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:48,681
Heath felt life deeper

915
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:50,892
than anyone that I've ever met.

916
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:55,897
He just took everything in
that much deeper.

917
00:46:56,105 --> 00:46:57,482
There was one night
at Heath's place,

918
00:46:57,690 --> 00:46:58,691
a little wine,

919
00:46:58,900 --> 00:47:00,318
and then things spin,

920
00:47:00,527 --> 00:47:01,986
and then we were on the piano,

921
00:47:02,195 --> 00:47:03,947
and, you know,
just having fun,

922
00:47:04,155 --> 00:47:06,115
and it went into the morning.

923
00:47:06,324 --> 00:47:08,618
Got home, slept in late,

924
00:47:08,827 --> 00:47:10,745
woke up,
there was a commotion outside,

925
00:47:10,954 --> 00:47:12,539
knock at the door,
dun-dun-dun-dun-dun.

926
00:47:12,747 --> 00:47:16,167
It says here, "A grand piano
from one Heath Ledger,

927
00:47:16,376 --> 00:47:19,254
gift to Ben Harper."

928
00:47:19,462 --> 00:47:20,547
I called him right away.

929
00:47:20,755 --> 00:47:22,590
"You're crazy. What are
you doing?" you know?

930
00:47:22,799 --> 00:47:25,176
"You're sending me
a grand piano.

931
00:47:25,385 --> 00:47:26,886
Like, this is...
You can't do this."

932
00:47:27,095 --> 00:47:31,432
"No, mate.
It's supposed to be with you."

933
00:47:31,641 --> 00:47:33,351
And what can you say?

934
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,853
What can you say...

935
00:47:35,061 --> 00:47:36,563
Other than "thank you"?

936
00:47:36,771 --> 00:47:38,523
So then a couple weeks later,
he calls.

937
00:47:38,731 --> 00:47:41,317
"You know that piano?

938
00:47:41,526 --> 00:47:44,320
I need you to write
a lullaby for my daughter

939
00:47:44,529 --> 00:47:48,074
that we can play for her
when she's born."

940
00:47:48,283 --> 00:47:49,158
All right.

941
00:47:49,367 --> 00:47:51,536
I've never been trusted
so deeply.

942
00:47:51,744 --> 00:47:53,288
Nothing has ever
been asked of me

943
00:47:53,496 --> 00:47:54,831
that was that precious.

944
00:48:01,296 --> 00:48:06,801
♪ The morning sunrise
spread her wings ♪

945
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:13,099
♪ While the moon
hung in the sky ♪

946
00:48:13,308 --> 00:48:19,230
♪ Held the sea in her hands ♪

947
00:48:19,439 --> 00:48:24,986
♪ And happy ever after
in her eyes ♪

948
00:48:28,865 --> 00:48:34,245
♪ All that I can give you ♪

949
00:48:34,454 --> 00:48:40,752
♪ Is forever yours to keep ♪

950
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:46,549
♪ Wake up every day
with a dream ♪

951
00:48:46,758 --> 00:48:53,264
♪ And happy ever after
in your eyes ♪

952
00:48:53,473 --> 00:49:00,146
♪ Happy ever after
is in her eyes ♪

953
00:49:00,355 --> 00:49:05,193
♪ Happy ever after is in... ♪

954
00:49:13,618 --> 00:49:15,078
♪ Her eyes ♪

955
00:49:21,209 --> 00:49:23,920
He became more of a dad
than an artist...

956
00:49:24,128 --> 00:49:26,756
and to say that for Heath...

957
00:49:26,965 --> 00:49:28,049
That's it.

958
00:49:28,257 --> 00:49:30,343
I mean, that's...
It's a huge thing.

959
00:49:35,431 --> 00:49:37,600
He really did change a lot.

960
00:49:37,809 --> 00:49:39,560
It was a really exciting time.

961
00:49:39,769 --> 00:49:41,771
He was out
to do everything possible

962
00:49:41,980 --> 00:49:44,732
to be a good dad,
and, you know, a good partner,

963
00:49:44,941 --> 00:49:47,193
and everything
that we all wish we could be.

964
00:49:47,402 --> 00:49:50,780
He'd reached that spot
where "I've got a child.

965
00:49:50,989 --> 00:49:52,198
My life's changed, and hold on,

966
00:49:52,407 --> 00:49:53,616
I've gotta be in charge
of my own destiny."

967
00:49:53,825 --> 00:49:56,035
Heath was a fantastic father.

968
00:49:56,244 --> 00:50:00,665
He had so much love for her,
and it was so beautiful to see.

969
00:50:00,873 --> 00:50:02,834
Being a dad was, like,

970
00:50:03,042 --> 00:50:05,420
his favorite thing
that he ever did.

971
00:50:05,628 --> 00:50:07,922
♪ River river river river... ♪

972
00:50:08,131 --> 00:50:10,049
He said
he'd be moving to New York.

973
00:50:10,258 --> 00:50:12,301
I thought he was gonna move
into the city.

974
00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:14,220
Michelle had plans for Brooklyn.

975
00:50:15,805 --> 00:50:17,557
Being the person that he is,

976
00:50:17,765 --> 00:50:19,642
he fell in love
with Brooklyn too.

977
00:50:22,478 --> 00:50:23,813
He said, "I love Michelle.

978
00:50:24,022 --> 00:50:25,356
I love the world we're building.

979
00:50:25,565 --> 00:50:28,651
I love the neighborhood."

980
00:50:28,860 --> 00:50:30,111
They found a beautiful house.

981
00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:32,447
It felt like he was, like,
the trailblazer of Brooklyn.

982
00:50:34,032 --> 00:50:35,283
Cruising through
the streets of New York

983
00:50:35,491 --> 00:50:36,576
with Matilda on his shoulders.

984
00:50:36,784 --> 00:50:38,369
I mean, that's when he was...

985
00:50:38,578 --> 00:50:39,704
He was just totally happy.

986
00:50:39,912 --> 00:50:42,373
Waking up
every morning to that...

987
00:50:42,582 --> 00:50:44,042
that smile, it just...

988
00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:46,044
It just...
it brightens your day,

989
00:50:46,252 --> 00:50:47,211
it really does,

990
00:50:47,420 --> 00:50:51,340
and I'm incredibly proud
of both of them.

991
00:51:07,690 --> 00:51:09,650
I had given him an early copy
of a record of mine

992
00:51:09,859 --> 00:51:11,360
called Both Sides of the Gun.

993
00:51:11,569 --> 00:51:12,653
He was getting into videos,

994
00:51:12,862 --> 00:51:13,863
and he was getting
into directing

995
00:51:14,072 --> 00:51:14,906
and getting behind the camera,

996
00:51:15,114 --> 00:51:15,990
and that was...

997
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:17,283
That was exciting him a lot.

998
00:51:17,492 --> 00:51:20,745
Then I got a call
at some crazy hour.

999
00:51:20,953 --> 00:51:21,996
"I really wanna do a video.

1000
00:51:22,205 --> 00:51:24,123
This record means a lot to me.

1001
00:51:24,332 --> 00:51:26,000
How about the song
'Morning Yearning,'"

1002
00:51:26,209 --> 00:51:29,337
and I said, "Heath,
that would be amazing,

1003
00:51:29,545 --> 00:51:30,797
and I'm gonna leave you alone.

1004
00:51:31,005 --> 00:51:33,341
I'll show up and I'll do
whatever I need you to do."

1005
00:51:34,425 --> 00:51:35,593
Rolling.

1006
00:51:44,811 --> 00:51:46,562
♪ Morning yearning ♪

1007
00:51:46,771 --> 00:51:50,817
♪ It's a morning yearning ♪

1008
00:51:55,363 --> 00:51:58,741
And he really knew
exactly what he wanted to do,

1009
00:51:58,950 --> 00:52:03,579
but what amazed me is how in
command he was of everything.

1010
00:52:03,788 --> 00:52:07,500
Heath was a one-man
force of nature.

1011
00:52:07,708 --> 00:52:10,461
He would do lights, the colors,
the texture...

1012
00:52:13,548 --> 00:52:15,383
He would help
with the choreography.

1013
00:52:15,591 --> 00:52:19,095
It was super important to him
it wasn't a dance video.

1014
00:52:19,303 --> 00:52:20,680
It couldn't be something
you'd seen before.

1015
00:52:23,933 --> 00:52:27,603
♪ Sun is burning ♪

1016
00:52:30,314 --> 00:52:32,859
I was just amazed
at his prowess with the camera.

1017
00:52:33,067 --> 00:52:34,861
Like, he was
calling out numbers

1018
00:52:35,069 --> 00:52:38,239
and, you know,
and apertures and the angles.

1019
00:52:38,447 --> 00:52:40,074
He had command of his vision.

1020
00:52:40,283 --> 00:52:45,079
♪ With hopes
of better days to come ♪

1021
00:52:45,288 --> 00:52:49,792
♪ It's a morning yearning ♪

1022
00:52:50,001 --> 00:52:54,213
♪ Morning yearning ♪

1023
00:52:56,966 --> 00:52:57,884
He proceeded to make

1024
00:52:58,092 --> 00:52:59,510
the best music video
I've ever had

1025
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,762
in my 23 years
of making music.

1026
00:53:04,432 --> 00:53:06,100
♪ Morning yearning ♪

1027
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:07,476
The Morning Yearning video

1028
00:53:07,685 --> 00:53:09,270
was shot at this place,
Little Radio, downtown.

1029
00:53:09,478 --> 00:53:13,399
Had a soundstage,
not too big, not too small.

1030
00:53:13,608 --> 00:53:15,526
They had a pirate radio station.

1031
00:53:15,735 --> 00:53:18,571
They'd do underground shows
for underground bands,

1032
00:53:18,779 --> 00:53:20,948
and it was just on the edge.

1033
00:53:21,157 --> 00:53:23,659
The place had a photo booth,
and we took a bunch of photos.

1034
00:53:23,868 --> 00:53:27,079
He was constantly
revealing the next cool thing,

1035
00:53:27,288 --> 00:53:29,874
but, I mean, I should've known
about Little Radio, you know?

1036
00:53:30,082 --> 00:53:31,667
That's my business.

1037
00:53:31,876 --> 00:53:33,502
♪ Morning yearning ♪

1038
00:53:33,711 --> 00:53:37,548
♪ It's a morning yearning ♪

1039
00:53:37,757 --> 00:53:39,008
When I saw the Morning
Yearning video

1040
00:53:39,217 --> 00:53:40,218
for the first time,

1041
00:53:40,426 --> 00:53:41,844
I thought to myself,

1042
00:53:42,053 --> 00:53:45,431
this guy is going to have
a lifetime behind the camera

1043
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:46,557
as well as in front of it.

1044
00:53:54,607 --> 00:53:56,692
Heath decided that he wanted

1045
00:53:56,901 --> 00:54:02,031
to establish his moviemaking
company with me.

1046
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:03,574
All the people
that he had met,

1047
00:54:03,783 --> 00:54:08,829
Matt was one that he trusted
and he'd actually learned from.

1048
00:54:09,038 --> 00:54:11,082
The fact that we decided
to do this together...

1049
00:54:11,290 --> 00:54:14,001
I think a big surprise
to a lot of people, actually,

1050
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:16,545
to the people that
Heath was doing business with,

1051
00:54:16,754 --> 00:54:18,756
people that were offering
him deals at studios.

1052
00:54:20,299 --> 00:54:22,301
When it was time to get
an office for The Masses,

1053
00:54:22,510 --> 00:54:23,970
we made sure
that it'd be a place

1054
00:54:24,178 --> 00:54:25,638
where Heath could
maintain his privacy.

1055
00:54:25,846 --> 00:54:26,889
We didn't want anybody to know

1056
00:54:27,098 --> 00:54:29,350
that this was Heath Ledger's
new office.

1057
00:54:29,558 --> 00:54:32,436
He would enter through the back
on his motorcycle,

1058
00:54:32,645 --> 00:54:34,647
of course,
cloaked in his helmet,

1059
00:54:34,855 --> 00:54:36,107
and it was like being home.

1060
00:54:36,315 --> 00:54:38,484
"The Masses" is a cool name

1061
00:54:38,693 --> 00:54:40,778
because it's not meant
to be exclusive.

1062
00:54:40,987 --> 00:54:43,489
Everyone has the capacity
to tell their story.

1063
00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:47,827
And they had
the whole floor of a building.

1064
00:54:48,035 --> 00:54:50,079
You knew as soon
as you walked up those stairs,

1065
00:54:50,288 --> 00:54:52,748
you were going into, like,
the hubbub of creativity.

1066
00:54:59,088 --> 00:55:02,091
Heath had a little slogan,
and that was "Keep It Real."

1067
00:55:02,300 --> 00:55:06,554
To do something surprising,
mess up the frame a little bit,

1068
00:55:06,762 --> 00:55:08,306
to not be so symmetrical...

1069
00:55:08,514 --> 00:55:10,808
To try something.

1070
00:55:11,017 --> 00:55:12,518
Our profound love of music

1071
00:55:12,727 --> 00:55:16,897
encouraged our idea
to have a music company.

1072
00:55:17,106 --> 00:55:17,732
I work with bands.

1073
00:55:17,940 --> 00:55:18,774
I direct music videos,

1074
00:55:18,983 --> 00:55:22,903
and I run
a small independent label,

1075
00:55:23,112 --> 00:55:25,573
The Masses, and it's with
a whole bunch of my friends,

1076
00:55:25,781 --> 00:55:29,327
who are all just young creators.

1077
00:55:29,535 --> 00:55:32,121
My friend, Grace, she'd been
doing just some recording,

1078
00:55:32,330 --> 00:55:34,707
like, very basic kind of
like solo recording

1079
00:55:34,915 --> 00:55:36,834
in her bedroom...

1080
00:55:41,297 --> 00:55:46,260
♪ My dad wrote four words
on a tiny piece of paper ♪

1081
00:55:46,469 --> 00:55:48,971
♪ These are the stages
you'll go through ♪

1082
00:55:49,180 --> 00:55:52,099
And I emailed him and I said,
"How cool is my friend?

1083
00:55:52,308 --> 00:55:54,352
Listen to this song of hers,"

1084
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,521
and, literally within,
like, 24 hours, I get a reply.

1085
00:55:57,730 --> 00:56:00,399
♪ Acceptance will come too... ♪

1086
00:56:00,608 --> 00:56:01,484
"She's amazing.

1087
00:56:01,692 --> 00:56:03,027
Can you put me
in touch with her?"

1088
00:56:03,235 --> 00:56:06,238
and I was kind of a bit, like,
"What? Oh, yeah, okay. Sure."

1089
00:56:06,447 --> 00:56:11,619
♪ Or for that matter, rewind ♪

1090
00:56:11,827 --> 00:56:16,332
♪ And though you said
that time was blind ♪

1091
00:56:16,540 --> 00:56:21,420
♪ Now you're in a place
that only exists in my mind ♪

1092
00:56:21,629 --> 00:56:25,049
Literally a month or two later,
she was on a plane to L.A.

1093
00:56:25,257 --> 00:56:28,094
He went very quickly
from hearing her voice

1094
00:56:28,302 --> 00:56:30,554
and wanting to get her
into a recording studio.

1095
00:56:30,763 --> 00:56:32,807
♪ Ooh... ♪

1096
00:56:33,015 --> 00:56:34,100
I knew

1097
00:56:34,308 --> 00:56:36,769
that it was still
a young company, The Masses,

1098
00:56:36,977 --> 00:56:38,479
and I almost feel like,
in a way,

1099
00:56:38,687 --> 00:56:41,107
they almost weren't
prepared for it either.

1100
00:56:41,315 --> 00:56:43,317
It was like one minute
we were emailing,

1101
00:56:43,526 --> 00:56:44,402
and the next minute,

1102
00:56:44,610 --> 00:56:45,653
a 17-year-old girl
from Australia

1103
00:56:45,861 --> 00:56:48,906
is on their doorstep
with a guitar.

1104
00:56:51,075 --> 00:56:53,702
I got a call from Matt Amato

1105
00:56:53,911 --> 00:56:57,623
asking if I could come
to the offices of The Masses.

1106
00:57:01,293 --> 00:57:04,505
I was gonna be having
a conversation with Heath.

1107
00:57:04,713 --> 00:57:07,007
"Yeah, she's here
for another week,

1108
00:57:07,216 --> 00:57:11,929
and we wanna make
a whole album and a video...

1109
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:16,851
And she has some of the songs,
but not all of them."

1110
00:57:17,059 --> 00:57:18,936
I was down.
"Let's just go do it right now."

1111
00:57:20,229 --> 00:57:23,899
Heath styled it,
he found the locations,

1112
00:57:24,108 --> 00:57:25,443
he storyboarded it,

1113
00:57:25,651 --> 00:57:28,362
and I would just say,
"Yeah, that sounds amazing."

1114
00:57:28,571 --> 00:57:29,738
I just trusted him.

1115
00:57:29,947 --> 00:57:31,657
I just knew he had this vision.

1116
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,630
What we ended up doing was
kind of developing her songs

1117
00:57:46,839 --> 00:57:49,216
and kind of just improvising.

1118
00:57:50,676 --> 00:57:52,094
Heath was very much a part

1119
00:57:52,303 --> 00:57:54,597
of those sessions
with Grace and Carlos,

1120
00:57:54,805 --> 00:57:58,684
and, I mean,
he financed it himself.

1121
00:57:58,893 --> 00:57:59,935
Heath came in one day

1122
00:58:00,144 --> 00:58:02,146
to come and listen
to how it was going.

1123
00:58:02,354 --> 00:58:03,647
We were working on a song.

1124
00:58:05,941 --> 00:58:08,819
We wanted a male vocal in there,
and he was there,

1125
00:58:09,028 --> 00:58:11,197
and I was like, "Why don't you
do whatever comes to mind,

1126
00:58:11,405 --> 00:58:14,241
like, just have
a couple of takes

1127
00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:16,577
and see what comes out,"

1128
00:58:16,785 --> 00:58:19,497
and Heath got all nervous,
but he just...

1129
00:58:19,705 --> 00:58:21,957
he almost became a character
in that moment.

1130
00:58:22,166 --> 00:58:23,334
♪ Wheels keep on turning ♪

1131
00:58:23,542 --> 00:58:24,877
♪ Oh no ♪

1132
00:58:25,085 --> 00:58:26,253
And he just
took on this persona,

1133
00:58:26,462 --> 00:58:28,339
and he had this, like,
incredible deep tone.

1134
00:58:28,547 --> 00:58:30,508
♪ Dee dee dee dee ♪

1135
00:58:30,716 --> 00:58:33,260
There she is,
going through the door,

1136
00:58:33,469 --> 00:58:36,055
teardrops falling
from her fingernails.

1137
00:58:36,263 --> 00:58:38,307
She's hiding, gone forever,

1138
00:58:38,516 --> 00:58:41,644
somewhere
in a California dream.

1139
00:58:47,358 --> 00:58:48,192
Afterwards, he was like,
"Is that okay?

1140
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,235
Is that all right?"

1141
00:58:49,443 --> 00:58:50,778
I was, like,
"Of course it is."

1142
00:58:50,986 --> 00:58:52,571
♪ I'm outta my mind ♪
- He could do no wrong.

1143
00:58:52,780 --> 00:58:53,989
♪ I don't know
where I'm goin' ♪

1144
00:58:54,198 --> 00:58:55,491
♪ There's not enough time ♪

1145
00:58:55,699 --> 00:58:57,868
♪ Yeah, the wheels
keep on turnin' ♪

1146
00:59:18,430 --> 00:59:23,477
I would describe Heath's energy
as being absolutely limitless.

1147
00:59:23,686 --> 00:59:28,440
He was tapping into
something completely different.

1148
00:59:28,649 --> 00:59:29,608
That was just him.

1149
00:59:29,817 --> 00:59:30,859
He just had too much energy...

1150
00:59:31,068 --> 00:59:32,695
Too many thoughts,
too much to do,

1151
00:59:32,903 --> 00:59:34,238
too much creativity.

1152
00:59:34,446 --> 00:59:36,073
When you feel that good,
you don't sleep.

1153
00:59:37,825 --> 00:59:41,954
He spent so many hours awake,
it was like he was 50...

1154
00:59:42,162 --> 00:59:45,874
Based off living, awake years.

1155
00:59:46,083 --> 00:59:47,209
The stories I hear
from all these different people,

1156
00:59:47,418 --> 00:59:48,460
I'm like, "Man, he did that
with you too?

1157
00:59:48,669 --> 00:59:49,795
He used to call you
at this time?

1158
00:59:50,004 --> 00:59:51,005
He did that?"

1159
00:59:51,213 --> 00:59:52,756
How many people
was he like that with?

1160
00:59:52,965 --> 00:59:55,467
We talked so many times a day,
you know, on the phone,

1161
00:59:55,676 --> 00:59:56,802
if we weren't in the same city.

1162
00:59:57,011 --> 00:59:59,638
If something
caught fire with him,

1163
00:59:59,847 --> 01:00:02,683
he would hit me
in the morning with an idea,

1164
01:00:02,891 --> 01:00:06,895
and he'd become, you know,
mildly obsessive.

1165
01:00:08,063 --> 01:00:09,898
Midnight, one in the morning...

1166
01:00:10,107 --> 01:00:11,775
and this was land lines,
you know,

1167
01:00:11,984 --> 01:00:12,860
in the day of like, you know,

1168
01:00:13,068 --> 01:00:13,986
when people
still had land lines,

1169
01:00:14,194 --> 01:00:16,155
so it would be that loud, like,
ring!

1170
01:00:21,076 --> 01:00:22,453
It's Heath.

1171
01:00:22,661 --> 01:00:26,582
Like... "Hey, man,
can I call you at, like, eight?"

1172
01:00:28,459 --> 01:00:29,835
Or he'd show up for breakfast...

1173
01:00:30,044 --> 01:00:31,920
show up at, like, six.

1174
01:00:32,129 --> 01:00:33,714
He'd be waiting
outside my house

1175
01:00:33,922 --> 01:00:36,133
at 5:30, 6:00 a.m.,

1176
01:00:36,342 --> 01:00:37,509
ready to go.

1177
01:00:37,718 --> 01:00:40,387
Like, literally,
not a text, not a phone call...

1178
01:00:40,596 --> 01:00:41,347
Just "I'm at the gate."

1179
01:00:41,555 --> 01:00:43,891
He'd crash our breakfast.

1180
01:00:51,774 --> 01:00:53,484
He never slept.
He never re...

1181
01:00:53,692 --> 01:00:55,694
His email...

1182
01:00:57,655 --> 01:01:01,075
His email was
l'llberunningaround

1183
01:01:01,283 --> 01:01:04,078
at something something
dot com...

1184
01:01:05,412 --> 01:01:06,205
and he always was.

1185
01:01:18,967 --> 01:01:19,968
You always wonder

1186
01:01:20,177 --> 01:01:23,847
if people sense
their own mortality.

1187
01:01:24,056 --> 01:01:26,684
Certain people
have that power...

1188
01:01:28,268 --> 01:01:30,729
and if anybody did, it was him.

1189
01:01:45,828 --> 01:01:47,287
Talked about Nick Drake,

1190
01:01:47,496 --> 01:01:50,416
a musician that he was
absolutely passionate about

1191
01:01:50,624 --> 01:01:51,625
and wanted
to tell his story,

1192
01:01:51,834 --> 01:01:53,961
how he died

1193
01:01:54,169 --> 01:01:56,130
and his process
of creating music.

1194
01:02:01,260 --> 01:02:03,679
It was all about Nick Drake.

1195
01:02:03,887 --> 01:02:06,140
Heath was...
I mean, he was gone.

1196
01:02:08,142 --> 01:02:10,310
He was all things Nick
at that time.

1197
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:12,146
I mean, he had every record.

1198
01:02:12,354 --> 01:02:13,480
He had interviews.

1199
01:02:13,689 --> 01:02:15,399
He was completely immersed
in Nick Drake.

1200
01:02:19,987 --> 01:02:21,447
Always playing his music

1201
01:02:21,655 --> 01:02:24,116
and talking about the visuals
that he would put to this music.

1202
01:02:26,410 --> 01:02:28,620
It escalated more and more

1203
01:02:28,829 --> 01:02:29,830
and became
a huge passion for him.

1204
01:02:36,295 --> 01:02:38,589
He'd always had this thing
for these artists,

1205
01:02:38,797 --> 01:02:42,217
people who died at, like, 27,

1206
01:02:42,426 --> 01:02:44,511
like Kurt Cobain
and Janis Joplin

1207
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:45,554
and this whole list of people.

1208
01:02:47,306 --> 01:02:50,184
At a young age, he was like,
"I'm just like these people."

1209
01:02:51,268 --> 01:02:52,060
It was weird.

1210
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,023
I remember him saying,
"I've got a lot to do.

1211
01:02:56,231 --> 01:02:58,317
I don't feel
like I have much time.

1212
01:02:58,525 --> 01:03:00,319
I just don't think I'm going
to be around that long, so...

1213
01:03:00,527 --> 01:03:01,528
Don't know why.

1214
01:03:01,737 --> 01:03:03,655
I've just got
to get things done now."

1215
01:03:15,375 --> 01:03:16,418
I guess our story together

1216
01:03:16,627 --> 01:03:18,712
kind of chronicles
his love life,

1217
01:03:18,921 --> 01:03:20,881
his struggles
with love and a relationship

1218
01:03:21,089 --> 01:03:22,299
and they're trying to manage

1219
01:03:22,508 --> 01:03:25,302
both his professional life
and his private life.

1220
01:03:25,511 --> 01:03:27,930
It's a bit of a double-edged
sword, I believe,

1221
01:03:28,138 --> 01:03:29,890
'cause a part of you
wants to stay at home

1222
01:03:30,098 --> 01:03:31,600
and do nothing
for the rest of your life,

1223
01:03:31,809 --> 01:03:32,810
but as soon as you're there,

1224
01:03:33,018 --> 01:03:34,770
you want to get out
and start working.

1225
01:03:34,978 --> 01:03:35,771
There's a fascination

1226
01:03:35,979 --> 01:03:38,857
and an addiction
to the lifestyle.

1227
01:03:39,066 --> 01:03:42,528
Heath brought something
to the part,

1228
01:03:42,736 --> 01:03:45,948
and it wasn't
the movie star part

1229
01:03:46,156 --> 01:03:47,616
that he brought.

1230
01:03:47,825 --> 01:03:50,786
There was a credibility
and vulnerability

1231
01:03:50,994 --> 01:03:52,788
to his performance.

1232
01:03:52,996 --> 01:03:59,002
He was always able
to show his struggle or conflict

1233
01:03:59,211 --> 01:04:00,963
in whatever character he played,

1234
01:04:01,171 --> 01:04:03,715
that he personalized
the performance.

1235
01:04:06,552 --> 01:04:08,053
Not with the girls.

1236
01:04:09,388 --> 01:04:10,138
Yes, Robbie.

1237
01:04:10,347 --> 01:04:11,598
- No.
- Robbie!

1238
01:04:11,807 --> 01:04:13,934
You're not
taking my kids!

1239
01:04:14,142 --> 01:04:16,395
Relationships happen.
Relationships go wrong.

1240
01:04:16,603 --> 01:04:17,813
If you haven't
been through it yet,

1241
01:04:18,021 --> 01:04:19,231
you don't know
how to adjust and cope,

1242
01:04:19,439 --> 01:04:21,608
and then you're in
the father position,

1243
01:04:21,817 --> 01:04:22,943
partner position,

1244
01:04:23,151 --> 01:04:24,987
and you're doing things
that aren't quite right.

1245
01:04:31,994 --> 01:04:34,997
I'm Not There
is really art imitating life

1246
01:04:35,205 --> 01:04:38,125
in such a beautiful,
painful way.

1247
01:04:42,629 --> 01:04:43,714
I feel he was struggling

1248
01:04:43,922 --> 01:04:46,633
with being able to give
Michelle and Matilda

1249
01:04:46,842 --> 01:04:48,260
all the attention he wanted to.

1250
01:04:48,468 --> 01:04:50,762
Their breakup
was tough enough.

1251
01:04:50,971 --> 01:04:54,600
I really felt the...
for Michelle,

1252
01:04:54,808 --> 01:04:57,436
a lot of stuff
was projected on her.

1253
01:05:00,522 --> 01:05:02,691
It was pretty
heartbreaking and upsetting.

1254
01:05:04,568 --> 01:05:06,695
Things were unraveling
for Heath.

1255
01:05:06,904 --> 01:05:10,699
That whole idea
of controlling your destiny,

1256
01:05:10,908 --> 01:05:13,493
designing your destiny...

1257
01:05:13,702 --> 01:05:17,706
the unraveling
was not part of the design,

1258
01:05:17,915 --> 01:05:19,333
and he couldn't control it.

1259
01:05:22,169 --> 01:05:26,256
So his lack of sleep
and needing to sleep

1260
01:05:26,465 --> 01:05:27,925
had a big effect on him.

1261
01:05:29,843 --> 01:05:32,971
He had to take
medicated sleeping,

1262
01:05:33,180 --> 01:05:34,389
which wasn't good for his body.

1263
01:05:40,062 --> 01:05:41,772
I ran into him in New York.

1264
01:05:41,980 --> 01:05:44,775
I hadn't seen him
for a couple of years,

1265
01:05:44,983 --> 01:05:48,403
and wow, Heath has... changed,

1266
01:05:48,612 --> 01:05:49,947
but the way he has changed

1267
01:05:50,155 --> 01:05:52,866
kind of, like, got me
a little concerned, you know...

1268
01:05:54,993 --> 01:05:56,745
and I looked at him
and I thought, wow...

1269
01:06:00,415 --> 01:06:02,584
with a bit of a concern,
you know?

1270
01:06:16,932 --> 01:06:19,101
We had
a few tough times together,

1271
01:06:19,309 --> 01:06:21,353
like, sadnesses in life.

1272
01:06:26,191 --> 01:06:28,986
Music is absolutely healing.

1273
01:06:31,154 --> 01:06:34,908
Music was a way
for him to heal himself.

1274
01:06:36,451 --> 01:06:38,870
Nick, can you play
River of Life?

1275
01:06:41,248 --> 01:06:42,416
There you go. Yay!

1276
01:06:42,624 --> 01:06:44,751
River of Life.

1277
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,214
If you asked Heath who he was,

1278
01:06:49,423 --> 01:06:51,800
he would tell you
he was an actor,

1279
01:06:52,009 --> 01:06:53,593
he was a filmmaker,

1280
01:06:53,802 --> 01:06:55,012
and he was a brother.

1281
01:06:55,220 --> 01:06:57,472
He was a brother to me,
and to many.

1282
01:07:00,851 --> 01:07:02,853
I guess
being friends with Heath,

1283
01:07:03,061 --> 01:07:05,605
someone so big and glamorous

1284
01:07:05,814 --> 01:07:08,066
and... action hero

1285
01:07:08,275 --> 01:07:10,318
and all that stuff...

1286
01:07:10,527 --> 01:07:14,948
The fact that he carried
that gentility in his heart

1287
01:07:15,157 --> 01:07:19,661
and made that
an active principle for himself

1288
01:07:19,870 --> 01:07:22,039
gave me certain strength too...

1289
01:07:28,170 --> 01:07:30,547
And he would
always encourage me.

1290
01:07:30,756 --> 01:07:31,840
Like, I'd see a wave coming,

1291
01:07:32,049 --> 01:07:33,050
and he'd say,
"Don't be afraid to fall..."

1292
01:07:37,345 --> 01:07:40,807
and that was a real important
aspect of who Heath was.

1293
01:07:42,225 --> 01:07:45,395
He didn't have
that kind of fear.

1294
01:07:50,192 --> 01:07:51,359
He was going
to direct his first film,

1295
01:07:51,568 --> 01:07:54,529
which was The Queen's Gambit,
about a chess player.

1296
01:08:00,285 --> 01:08:02,662
His love of chess
was, you know, legendary.

1297
01:08:04,539 --> 01:08:07,167
I always felt that he was
five moves in front of me.

1298
01:08:07,375 --> 01:08:10,378
By the time
he was 10 or 11 or so,

1299
01:08:10,587 --> 01:08:13,715
it was pretty hard
to actually beat him.

1300
01:08:16,176 --> 01:08:18,303
He was
an amazing chess player,

1301
01:08:18,512 --> 01:08:20,222
and it's something
that we did every day.

1302
01:08:20,430 --> 01:08:22,099
Whether we were
together or apart,

1303
01:08:22,307 --> 01:08:25,769
we were playing chess online
or chess face to face.

1304
01:08:28,355 --> 01:08:32,442
Heath was trying
to achieve a grandmaster status

1305
01:08:32,651 --> 01:08:37,072
and was only a few points away
from achieving his goal.

1306
01:08:38,406 --> 01:08:41,368
When he read that story,
Queen's Gambit,

1307
01:08:41,576 --> 01:08:44,538
he thought, wow, this could be
the right size film

1308
01:08:44,746 --> 01:08:47,624
to take a bite and direct it.

1309
01:08:48,708 --> 01:08:50,418
So this is about
a young chess player

1310
01:08:50,627 --> 01:08:54,714
who is addicted
to drugs, to pills.

1311
01:08:56,258 --> 01:08:57,717
He understood that story

1312
01:08:57,926 --> 01:09:00,387
from inside out.

1313
01:09:00,595 --> 01:09:02,139
He wanted to use chess

1314
01:09:02,347 --> 01:09:05,809
as a metaphor
for the girl's life,

1315
01:09:06,017 --> 01:09:09,020
and he had something to say.

1316
01:09:09,229 --> 01:09:11,022
There are many actors
that want to direct

1317
01:09:11,231 --> 01:09:14,693
that almost
are the actor directing,

1318
01:09:14,901 --> 01:09:22,826
but he had the ability
to communicate his ideas

1319
01:09:23,034 --> 01:09:28,456
that he could translate that
into a filmic story.

1320
01:09:28,665 --> 01:09:30,041
The only time that I'm alive

1321
01:09:30,250 --> 01:09:34,045
and living and expressing
and feeling and relating

1322
01:09:34,254 --> 01:09:35,714
is when I'm on-set

1323
01:09:35,922 --> 01:09:38,675
in that time
between "Action" and "Cut."

1324
01:09:38,884 --> 01:09:40,051
I called Heath,

1325
01:09:40,260 --> 01:09:42,095
and I said, you know,
"This is what's happening.

1326
01:09:42,304 --> 01:09:44,472
They're putting together
the next Batman film,

1327
01:09:44,681 --> 01:09:47,392
and the Joker's
going to be the villain,

1328
01:09:47,601 --> 01:09:49,352
and, you know,
is that of interest?"

1329
01:09:49,561 --> 01:09:50,812
And I remember him,
you know,

1330
01:09:51,021 --> 01:09:53,648
it was like...
there was no pause.

1331
01:09:53,857 --> 01:09:55,609
It was like, "Absolutely.

1332
01:09:55,817 --> 01:09:56,860
I want that.
How do I...

1333
01:09:57,068 --> 01:09:58,069
you know, what do we do?

1334
01:09:58,278 --> 01:09:59,654
I'll get on a plane.
I'll fly out.

1335
01:09:59,863 --> 01:10:01,072
I want to meet with Chris,"
you know.

1336
01:10:01,281 --> 01:10:02,324
"Can you get me in a room
with Chris Nolan?"

1337
01:10:02,532 --> 01:10:05,368
I'd already seen
this world he'd created

1338
01:10:05,577 --> 01:10:06,912
in Batman Begins,

1339
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,039
and so I knew
there was an opportunity

1340
01:10:09,247 --> 01:10:11,416
for a new version of the Joker,

1341
01:10:11,625 --> 01:10:12,792
and that excited me,

1342
01:10:13,001 --> 01:10:14,044
and I also knew instantly
what to do.

1343
01:10:14,252 --> 01:10:17,047
So we had about a month,
roughly two months.

1344
01:10:17,255 --> 01:10:20,091
He had already started
to occupy the character.

1345
01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:23,011
I locked myself away
for six weeks in a room,

1346
01:10:23,220 --> 01:10:24,304
and I kind of came up
with this creep.

1347
01:10:24,512 --> 01:10:27,015
Walk around like a madman

1348
01:10:27,224 --> 01:10:28,433
and finding posture,
finding stance.

1349
01:10:28,642 --> 01:10:30,769
Finding his voice
is very important,

1350
01:10:30,977 --> 01:10:32,020
because when you find the voice

1351
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:35,148
you find the breath
within the voice.

1352
01:10:35,357 --> 01:10:37,234
It's like, man,
the Joker, though.

1353
01:10:37,442 --> 01:10:40,153
Jack Nicholson
did the Joker, man.

1354
01:10:40,362 --> 01:10:44,282
I said,
"How do you tackle that, like,

1355
01:10:44,491 --> 01:10:47,827
without just
doing a version of Jack?

1356
01:10:48,036 --> 01:10:51,831
I mean, how do you even
talk or laugh or..."

1357
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:53,583
I was sitting there, walking,
just thinking,

1358
01:10:53,792 --> 01:10:54,876
and I suddenly hear,

1359
01:10:55,085 --> 01:10:56,211
"Do you want to know

1360
01:10:56,419 --> 01:10:58,088
how I got these scars?"

1361
01:10:58,296 --> 01:10:59,589
I'm like... I look at him,

1362
01:10:59,798 --> 01:11:01,007
and he's kind of walking,
holding his shirt,

1363
01:11:01,216 --> 01:11:04,427
and he's like, "My daddy
was a drinker and a fiend,"

1364
01:11:04,636 --> 01:11:06,346
and he gives me this look,
and...

1365
01:11:06,554 --> 01:11:08,431
man, goosebumps,
chills run down me,

1366
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,600
and he does
that little monologue for me.

1367
01:11:10,809 --> 01:11:13,687
"Why so serious?"
he finishes.

1368
01:11:13,895 --> 01:11:15,313
I was just, "Holy..."

1369
01:11:15,522 --> 01:11:16,147
and I jump into the street.

1370
01:11:16,356 --> 01:11:18,066
Whoo! Yelled it out.

1371
01:11:18,275 --> 01:11:19,150
I'm punching him in the chest,

1372
01:11:19,359 --> 01:11:20,360
and he's like,
"Don't tell anyone."

1373
01:11:22,487 --> 01:11:24,906
He turns to me,

1374
01:11:25,115 --> 01:11:30,161
and he says,
why so serious?

1375
01:11:30,370 --> 01:11:31,705
He comes at me
with the knife.

1376
01:11:31,913 --> 01:11:34,207
"Why so serious?"

1377
01:11:37,002 --> 01:11:39,754
He sticks the blade in my mouth.

1378
01:11:39,963 --> 01:11:44,676
"Let's put a smile
on that face,"

1379
01:11:44,884 --> 01:11:46,136
and...

1380
01:11:49,472 --> 01:11:50,932
Why so serious?

1381
01:11:51,141 --> 01:11:55,312
When we were shooting
the scene

1382
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,105
where he comes into the party,

1383
01:11:57,314 --> 01:11:59,441
there was a crowd
that side of the camera

1384
01:11:59,649 --> 01:12:00,859
and this side of the camera.

1385
01:12:01,067 --> 01:12:03,486
It was a very large crowd, so...

1386
01:12:03,695 --> 01:12:05,739
he didn't expect it
to be so big.

1387
01:12:05,947 --> 01:12:09,200
He said, "This feels
like walking onto a stage.

1388
01:12:09,409 --> 01:12:11,036
I wasn't prepared
for so many people.

1389
01:12:11,244 --> 01:12:12,620
How do I play this?"

1390
01:12:12,829 --> 01:12:13,830
And I said, "Well...

1391
01:12:14,039 --> 01:12:16,291
well, you're a psychopath,

1392
01:12:16,499 --> 01:12:19,085
so they're your toys.

1393
01:12:19,294 --> 01:12:21,212
You play with your toys."

1394
01:12:23,423 --> 01:12:26,509
Good evening,
ladies and gentlemen.

1395
01:12:29,471 --> 01:12:32,557
We are tonight's entertainment.

1396
01:12:34,559 --> 01:12:36,936
I only have one question.

1397
01:12:37,145 --> 01:12:39,939
Where is Harvey Dent?

1398
01:12:50,408 --> 01:12:51,826
You know where Harvey is?
Do you know who he is?

1399
01:12:52,035 --> 01:12:53,036
That's another trademark

1400
01:12:53,244 --> 01:12:54,704
of the actor
that Heath had become.

1401
01:12:54,913 --> 01:12:57,082
He was able to chuck his vanity,

1402
01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:59,501
and I think
his conception of the Joker

1403
01:12:59,709 --> 01:13:02,420
did show him
kind of warts and all,

1404
01:13:02,629 --> 01:13:05,006
and he did it on his own
in the makeup trailer,

1405
01:13:05,215 --> 01:13:06,508
and it was very simple.

1406
01:13:06,716 --> 01:13:09,094
All it was, was just, like, a
wash of white pancake makeup

1407
01:13:09,302 --> 01:13:11,805
and some smear of red lips.

1408
01:13:12,013 --> 01:13:13,223
The prosthetics
came up onto the lip

1409
01:13:13,431 --> 01:13:14,474
and feathered onto the lip,

1410
01:13:14,682 --> 01:13:17,185
so it was almost halfway
into the mouth,

1411
01:13:17,394 --> 01:13:18,561
and, of course, when you speak,

1412
01:13:18,770 --> 01:13:20,271
the feathering
of the prosthetics

1413
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:21,689
became loosened,

1414
01:13:21,898 --> 01:13:23,817
and the last thing Heath
wanted to do was to go back

1415
01:13:24,025 --> 01:13:26,361
and spend another 20 minutes
or half an hour

1416
01:13:26,569 --> 01:13:30,281
trying to get
the lips glued back again,

1417
01:13:30,490 --> 01:13:32,659
so he licked...
he licked his lips...

1418
01:13:34,369 --> 01:13:35,870
a lot...

1419
01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:38,540
and then, slowly, that became
a part of the character.

1420
01:13:43,378 --> 01:13:45,713
He knew that he had
something that was amazing.

1421
01:13:45,922 --> 01:13:47,090
He had put
all this work into it,

1422
01:13:47,298 --> 01:13:48,383
and he was actually
enjoying the work.

1423
01:13:48,591 --> 01:13:49,551
Everyone,

1424
01:13:49,759 --> 01:13:51,428
every sound technician,
every producer,

1425
01:13:51,636 --> 01:13:53,346
was floored by what he was
doing in The Dark Knight.

1426
01:13:53,555 --> 01:13:56,641
People would be scurrying
up to screens,

1427
01:13:56,850 --> 01:13:58,059
trying to get glimpses on-set,

1428
01:13:58,268 --> 01:14:00,437
just because they knew
when he was on,

1429
01:14:00,645 --> 01:14:01,813
it was on.

1430
01:14:02,021 --> 01:14:05,692
He felt for the first time,
as an actor,

1431
01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:09,070
that he was like,
"I'm untouchable.

1432
01:14:09,279 --> 01:14:10,947
Every scene I do
with any other actor,

1433
01:14:11,156 --> 01:14:13,575
it doesn't matter
how amazing they are.

1434
01:14:13,783 --> 01:14:17,036
I'm controlling
and leading these scenes."

1435
01:14:17,245 --> 01:14:18,788
He was so confident,

1436
01:14:18,997 --> 01:14:20,206
and he was so proud
of that role.

1437
01:14:20,415 --> 01:14:22,625
He was really excited
for that film to come out.

1438
01:14:22,834 --> 01:14:26,963
He was... it was the first time
I'd heard him in a long time

1439
01:14:27,172 --> 01:14:31,468
being excited about, like,
"this role I've nailed."

1440
01:14:31,676 --> 01:14:34,053
You've changed things...
forever.

1441
01:14:34,262 --> 01:14:35,722
Then why do you want
to kill me?

1442
01:14:38,516 --> 01:14:40,143
I don't want to kill you!

1443
01:14:40,351 --> 01:14:42,270
What would I do
without you?

1444
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:43,354
Go back to ripping
off mob dealers?

1445
01:14:43,563 --> 01:14:45,440
No, no.

1446
01:14:45,648 --> 01:14:46,524
No.

1447
01:14:46,733 --> 01:14:50,278
No, you...
you complete me.

1448
01:14:50,487 --> 01:14:52,614
You're garbage
who kills for money.

1449
01:14:52,822 --> 01:14:53,448
Don't talk like one of them.

1450
01:14:53,656 --> 01:14:55,158
You're not...

1451
01:14:55,366 --> 01:14:57,452
even if you'd like to be.

1452
01:14:59,037 --> 01:15:00,497
To them, you're just a freak...

1453
01:15:00,705 --> 01:15:02,540
like me.

1454
01:15:02,749 --> 01:15:03,875
When he wasn't working,

1455
01:15:04,083 --> 01:15:06,878
he would come to set
and observe and watch Chris

1456
01:15:07,086 --> 01:15:08,505
'cause he was so enamored

1457
01:15:08,713 --> 01:15:10,089
with, you know,
Chris as a director

1458
01:15:10,298 --> 01:15:12,133
and wanted to learn
as much as he could

1459
01:15:12,342 --> 01:15:13,968
about what he was building
and what he was doing.

1460
01:15:15,261 --> 01:15:16,930
A lot of people like to think

1461
01:15:17,138 --> 01:15:20,266
that it was a strenuous process
for him,

1462
01:15:20,475 --> 01:15:21,893
but he would come off the set,

1463
01:15:22,101 --> 01:15:25,396
and we'd chat,
and we'd have a laugh and joke,

1464
01:15:25,605 --> 01:15:29,901
and we had more fun
than was, um...

1465
01:15:30,109 --> 01:15:32,612
than was respectable

1466
01:15:32,820 --> 01:15:34,322
for hardworking artists.

1467
01:15:36,157 --> 01:15:39,577
It was the most fun
I've had with a character,

1468
01:15:39,786 --> 01:15:40,578
hands down.

1469
01:15:40,787 --> 01:15:42,872
Creatively, it was just...

1470
01:15:43,081 --> 01:15:44,666
it was too good to be true.

1471
01:15:52,423 --> 01:15:54,467
It was Christmas,
and my whole family,

1472
01:15:54,676 --> 01:15:55,969
we were having this wonderful
great big dinner.

1473
01:15:56,177 --> 01:15:59,639
He came and surprised us,
as he loved to do.

1474
01:16:01,599 --> 01:16:05,687
He'd shown me some snippets
of him as the Joker,

1475
01:16:05,895 --> 01:16:08,147
and, I mean, I was blown away.

1476
01:16:08,356 --> 01:16:09,607
I couldn't believe it,

1477
01:16:09,816 --> 01:16:11,818
and I just said to him,
you know,

1478
01:16:12,026 --> 01:16:13,444
"This is amazing.

1479
01:16:13,653 --> 01:16:15,613
This is, like, taking it
to the next level.

1480
01:16:15,822 --> 01:16:16,990
Like, you're going
to be nominated for this,

1481
01:16:17,198 --> 01:16:18,533
I'm telling you right now,"

1482
01:16:18,741 --> 01:16:19,909
and he just smiled.

1483
01:16:21,995 --> 01:16:23,162
Heath was over the moon

1484
01:16:23,371 --> 01:16:25,540
about the role of the Joker
in The Dark Knight.

1485
01:16:25,748 --> 01:16:28,084
He was very pleased
with the way it was going

1486
01:16:28,293 --> 01:16:31,421
and the input that he had
into that character.

1487
01:16:35,174 --> 01:16:36,259
It was after the dinner,

1488
01:16:36,467 --> 01:16:38,845
and he kind of, like,
leaned over at one point

1489
01:16:39,053 --> 01:16:41,014
and said, "Oh, by the way,

1490
01:16:41,222 --> 01:16:42,974
I'm taking you back to London
with me,"

1491
01:16:43,182 --> 01:16:45,268
and I was like, "What?"
and my mom was like, "What?"

1492
01:16:46,894 --> 01:16:49,689
"Oh, no, here we go again."

1493
01:16:49,897 --> 01:16:52,525
It was his time
to take his little sister,

1494
01:16:52,734 --> 01:16:55,486
introduce her
to the entertainment world.

1495
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,532
Heath was
in the best place of his life.

1496
01:16:59,741 --> 01:17:02,702
He had a kid
who he loved and adored.

1497
01:17:02,910 --> 01:17:05,496
He was making the films
he wanted to make.

1498
01:17:05,705 --> 01:17:08,583
He had big plans for his future.

1499
01:17:11,753 --> 01:17:12,879
In three weeks' time,

1500
01:17:13,087 --> 01:17:14,547
I start filming
with Terry Gilliam,

1501
01:17:14,756 --> 01:17:15,757
and I'd really do any...

1502
01:17:15,965 --> 01:17:18,593
I'd cut carrots
and serve the catering

1503
01:17:18,801 --> 01:17:21,346
on a Gilliam film.

1504
01:17:21,554 --> 01:17:24,349
I really, really love the guy,
and so...

1505
01:17:24,557 --> 01:17:27,101
yeah, I'm doing The Imaginarium
of Dr. Parnassus,

1506
01:17:27,310 --> 01:17:29,646
and then I'll
drop to the ground, dead,

1507
01:17:29,854 --> 01:17:30,980
for a year,

1508
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:32,649
and hibernate.

1509
01:17:32,857 --> 01:17:34,692
The Imaginarium
of Dr. Parnassus...

1510
01:17:34,901 --> 01:17:37,445
I was able to work with him
for two weeks on,

1511
01:17:37,654 --> 01:17:40,490
in freezing cold London,
in all the night shoots,

1512
01:17:40,698 --> 01:17:41,783
in all of its glory.

1513
01:17:41,991 --> 01:17:44,869
We were on
Blackfriars Bridge...

1514
01:17:45,078 --> 01:17:46,913
bitterly cold.

1515
01:17:47,121 --> 01:17:49,999
He spent most of the night
hanging off the bridge,

1516
01:17:50,208 --> 01:17:51,334
having rain poured on him...

1517
01:17:52,835 --> 01:17:54,837
so he was very wet.

1518
01:17:55,046 --> 01:17:56,422
I'm not sure that helped him.

1519
01:17:58,716 --> 01:18:01,511
A lot of the crew
were fighting colds and whatnot,

1520
01:18:01,719 --> 01:18:04,597
but I do just remember
Gerry saying

1521
01:18:04,806 --> 01:18:06,349
he had the strength of a horse,

1522
01:18:06,557 --> 01:18:08,893
I think is what he said.

1523
01:18:11,604 --> 01:18:12,855
His body was tired, I know.

1524
01:18:13,064 --> 01:18:14,148
He was tired.

1525
01:18:14,357 --> 01:18:17,151
He developed a bad flu,
and that exhausted him.

1526
01:18:21,489 --> 01:18:23,991
We were staying
in the same apartment.

1527
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,828
I would wake,
I'd hear him wandering around,

1528
01:18:27,036 --> 01:18:28,871
and sometimes
he'd come into my room,

1529
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,833
and we had the conversation

1530
01:18:32,041 --> 01:18:35,169
that the sleeping medication
wasn't really helping him sleep.

1531
01:18:40,007 --> 01:18:41,134
At times, he would say,

1532
01:18:41,342 --> 01:18:43,970
"I'm just having a hard time
kind of, you know,

1533
01:18:44,178 --> 01:18:45,555
laying it down
at the end of the day

1534
01:18:45,763 --> 01:18:47,432
and not thinking about stuff."

1535
01:18:49,016 --> 01:18:50,143
I knew the pressures
that were in his life.

1536
01:18:50,351 --> 01:18:52,311
I knew he was sick.

1537
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,188
I knew he had pneumonia.

1538
01:18:54,397 --> 01:18:57,191
I knew he had these long flights
from London to New York.

1539
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,610
We were about
to wrap up in London.

1540
01:18:59,819 --> 01:19:05,199
He had sent myself
and his assistant, Nathan, ahead

1541
01:19:05,408 --> 01:19:06,492
to prep the apartment

1542
01:19:06,701 --> 01:19:09,495
for when we were going
to all be there, and...

1543
01:19:22,258 --> 01:19:24,677
I hadn't talked
to him all morning,

1544
01:19:24,886 --> 01:19:26,137
and it was pretty rare,

1545
01:19:26,345 --> 01:19:28,014
and I was getting concerned.

1546
01:19:28,222 --> 01:19:31,100
I kept texting,
saying, "Hey, what's up?

1547
01:19:31,309 --> 01:19:32,351
Where are you?
What's going on?"

1548
01:19:35,146 --> 01:19:37,607
And, honestly, he would've
texted back or called me back

1549
01:19:37,815 --> 01:19:40,193
in almost any situation...

1550
01:19:40,401 --> 01:19:43,529
any situation,
except if he was...

1551
01:19:43,738 --> 01:19:45,156
you know...

1552
01:19:45,364 --> 01:19:47,867
♪ Someday my pain ♪

1553
01:19:48,075 --> 01:19:51,329
And I put my BlackBerry down
on the desk,

1554
01:19:51,537 --> 01:19:53,331
and, um...

1555
01:19:53,539 --> 01:19:55,082
I kind of just stared at it...

1556
01:19:58,628 --> 01:19:59,462
♪ Harness your blame ♪

1557
01:19:59,670 --> 01:20:01,339
And then the phone rang,

1558
01:20:01,547 --> 01:20:05,760
and it was his publicist,
Mara Buxbaum,

1559
01:20:05,968 --> 01:20:08,304
and, um, and she was crying.

1560
01:20:11,682 --> 01:20:13,226
And I called his dad,

1561
01:20:13,434 --> 01:20:14,519
and his dad's phone was off,

1562
01:20:14,727 --> 01:20:15,728
and I called his mum,

1563
01:20:15,937 --> 01:20:18,105
and she was trying
to find out information,

1564
01:20:18,314 --> 01:20:20,608
so I called one of our friends
in New York

1565
01:20:20,817 --> 01:20:22,860
to see if she could
go to his house,

1566
01:20:23,069 --> 01:20:24,487
and she was like,
"Trev, I'm here,

1567
01:20:24,695 --> 01:20:26,197
and I can't get in,"

1568
01:20:26,405 --> 01:20:29,742
and that's when
reality kicked in.

1569
01:20:29,951 --> 01:20:31,619
♪ Send it farther on ♪

1570
01:20:31,828 --> 01:20:32,620
More texts
from different people

1571
01:20:32,829 --> 01:20:34,080
start rolling in.

1572
01:20:34,288 --> 01:20:37,250
I'm like, "No, no, no, no,
someone's messing with me,"

1573
01:20:37,458 --> 01:20:39,752
and I actually called the phone,
and it rung out.

1574
01:20:39,961 --> 01:20:42,421
I wanted to say,
"Please call me back.

1575
01:20:42,630 --> 01:20:44,674
Please call me back,"
you know,

1576
01:20:44,882 --> 01:20:46,008
but I just froze and hung up.

1577
01:20:48,511 --> 01:20:50,930
I got a call from a friend,

1578
01:20:51,138 --> 01:20:57,395
and right away, I knew
something awful had happened.

1579
01:20:59,522 --> 01:21:02,984
I did call his phone
a few times.

1580
01:21:07,655 --> 01:21:10,700
The world did find out
before we did.

1581
01:21:10,908 --> 01:21:12,702
It will haunt me
for the rest of my life.

1582
01:21:12,910 --> 01:21:13,911
I guess we're no different

1583
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,455
from anyone else
that loses a child

1584
01:21:16,664 --> 01:21:18,499
or loses somebody suddenly...

1585
01:21:18,708 --> 01:21:19,667
the only difference being

1586
01:21:19,876 --> 01:21:21,878
is that we had
to live our feelings out

1587
01:21:22,086 --> 01:21:22,962
in the public eye.

1588
01:21:25,214 --> 01:21:26,090
It was our boy,

1589
01:21:26,299 --> 01:21:29,468
and it was the world's moment,

1590
01:21:29,677 --> 01:21:31,596
and our private moment,

1591
01:21:31,804 --> 01:21:34,223
but it was something
that we had to share,

1592
01:21:34,432 --> 01:21:37,268
and sharing that...
across the world

1593
01:21:37,476 --> 01:21:38,394
was so hard, you know?

1594
01:21:40,813 --> 01:21:44,775
That was a very sad day.
It was.

1595
01:21:44,984 --> 01:21:47,361
♪ What might have been lost ♪

1596
01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:49,697
I just got up
and went home.

1597
01:21:51,407 --> 01:21:52,241
I just hid.

1598
01:21:52,450 --> 01:21:55,202
♪ What might have been lost ♪

1599
01:21:57,121 --> 01:22:01,500
♪ What might have been lost ♪

1600
01:22:01,709 --> 01:22:04,712
I was shooting a music video
on a day that he died.

1601
01:22:07,173 --> 01:22:11,093
I was in Eau Claire, Wisconsin,
with Justin, who is Bon Iver.

1602
01:22:11,302 --> 01:22:14,847
I saw that I had, like,
35 messages on my phone.

1603
01:22:15,056 --> 01:22:17,183
♪ Don't bother me
What might have been ♪

1604
01:22:17,391 --> 01:22:19,852
I just heard
what sounded like crying...

1605
01:22:21,938 --> 01:22:22,897
and Matt told me

1606
01:22:23,105 --> 01:22:24,982
that his friend Heath
had passed away,

1607
01:22:25,191 --> 01:22:27,944
and I just held him
for the longest time,

1608
01:22:28,152 --> 01:22:29,362
and I just told him,
"Whatever you need to do, man,

1609
01:22:29,570 --> 01:22:31,739
we're here for you."

1610
01:22:31,948 --> 01:22:33,282
This person that I just met

1611
01:22:33,491 --> 01:22:36,243
just had lost
somebody so important to them.

1612
01:22:36,452 --> 01:22:39,580
It was no longer about making
a Bon Iver music video anymore.

1613
01:22:39,789 --> 01:22:44,794
This was now our chance
to be there with Matt

1614
01:22:45,002 --> 01:22:47,171
as he grieved.

1615
01:22:47,380 --> 01:22:48,047
♪ What might have been lost ♪

1616
01:22:48,255 --> 01:22:52,134
It was a three-day...wake.

1617
01:22:52,343 --> 01:22:54,303
♪ Don't bother me ♪

1618
01:22:54,512 --> 01:22:56,180
I was deeply sad,

1619
01:22:56,389 --> 01:22:57,890
but Heath didn't want me
to be sad.

1620
01:22:58,099 --> 01:23:01,602
He wanted to see me smile
all the time,

1621
01:23:01,811 --> 01:23:07,566
and he couldn't have possibly
given me more in my life,

1622
01:23:07,775 --> 01:23:09,902
and I'm very lucky.

1623
01:23:40,433 --> 01:23:41,142
Out of these three days

1624
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:42,560
that I spent with Matt,

1625
01:23:42,768 --> 01:23:45,938
I got the next five years
of my life.

1626
01:23:46,147 --> 01:23:47,982
I started writing
all these words down,

1627
01:23:48,190 --> 01:23:49,233
some of these visions

1628
01:23:49,442 --> 01:23:51,152
that Matt
would kind of tell me

1629
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,821
about Heath growing up
in Australia,

1630
01:23:54,030 --> 01:23:56,824
and the words ended up
being the first song there,

1631
01:23:57,033 --> 01:23:57,783
and I called it "Perth."

1632
01:24:07,001 --> 01:24:08,377
It's still hard
when people talk about it,

1633
01:24:08,586 --> 01:24:11,172
and people have
preconceived ideas about how...

1634
01:24:11,380 --> 01:24:12,965
surrounding that period of time.

1635
01:24:13,174 --> 01:24:14,050
It's, you know...

1636
01:24:14,258 --> 01:24:16,719
but that's what people do,
you know?

1637
01:24:16,927 --> 01:24:19,138
They come up
with their version of it

1638
01:24:19,346 --> 01:24:22,475
that makes it
convenient and tidy

1639
01:24:22,683 --> 01:24:26,312
and, you know,
and also tells a good story.

1640
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:30,399
The truth is, he was super happy

1641
01:24:30,608 --> 01:24:33,194
and was loving life,

1642
01:24:33,402 --> 01:24:36,822
and he struggled
with some demons,

1643
01:24:37,031 --> 01:24:41,202
but he wasn't wanting
to go anywhere but forward.

1644
01:24:43,746 --> 01:24:46,832
His heart was just
incredibly beautiful.

1645
01:24:47,041 --> 01:24:51,337
Fearless in how he loved
and how he opened his heart.

1646
01:24:51,545 --> 01:24:53,047
He was seeing the world

1647
01:24:53,255 --> 01:24:55,883
in a way
that the rest of us didn't,

1648
01:24:56,092 --> 01:24:58,511
and in a way
that the rest of us couldn't,

1649
01:24:58,719 --> 01:25:02,556
and time and convention meant
absolutely nothing to him.

1650
01:25:04,225 --> 01:25:05,434
He had this light around him.

1651
01:25:05,643 --> 01:25:06,435
Wherever he went,

1652
01:25:06,644 --> 01:25:07,770
he shone light on people.

1653
01:25:07,978 --> 01:25:08,854
It made their lives better.

1654
01:25:09,063 --> 01:25:09,897
♪ Not yet awake ♪

1655
01:25:10,106 --> 01:25:11,023
All our lives
were better

1656
01:25:11,232 --> 01:25:12,566
for him being around...

1657
01:25:12,775 --> 01:25:15,361
and we still talk about it now.

1658
01:25:16,445 --> 01:25:19,115
♪ Still alive who you love ♪

1659
01:25:25,079 --> 01:25:27,665
♪ Still alive who you love ♪

1660
01:25:32,378 --> 01:25:33,754
♪ Still alive ♪

1661
01:25:33,963 --> 01:25:34,880
We are lucky

1662
01:25:35,089 --> 01:25:37,550
that he completed
so much in his life

1663
01:25:37,758 --> 01:25:39,468
that not only he is proud of,

1664
01:25:39,677 --> 01:25:42,096
but it's left
for his little girl, Matilda,

1665
01:25:42,304 --> 01:25:44,098
to see what her daddy was

1666
01:25:44,306 --> 01:25:47,268
and how creative and artistic
he was.

1667
01:25:47,476 --> 01:25:49,228
There's
all of this footage of him.

1668
01:25:49,436 --> 01:25:53,023
There's these films
that she gets to watch

1669
01:25:53,232 --> 01:25:56,068
and be proud
of who her father was.

1670
01:25:56,277 --> 01:25:58,863
I have no doubt
that he could've done

1671
01:25:59,071 --> 01:26:02,992
innumerable more
extraordinary performances

1672
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,244
and given those gifts
to the world.

1673
01:26:05,452 --> 01:26:07,454
♪ So I'm ridding
all your stories ♪

1674
01:26:07,663 --> 01:26:10,207
In Chinese,
we call it "God envy,"

1675
01:26:10,416 --> 01:26:13,544
a person so talented
that even God envy him.

1676
01:26:13,752 --> 01:26:15,880
♪ You're breaking
your ground ♪

1677
01:26:16,088 --> 01:26:20,176
The trajectory he went on
in such a short time

1678
01:26:20,384 --> 01:26:21,969
was extraordinary.

1679
01:28:31,223 --> 01:28:33,225
Do you look at this
and think to yourself,

1680
01:28:33,434 --> 01:28:34,560
"Somebody's maybe making

1681
01:28:34,768 --> 01:28:38,689
an impressionistic film
about my life someday?"

1682
01:28:38,897 --> 01:28:41,317
In not maybe this year,
but in 10 years from now?

1683
01:28:41,525 --> 01:28:42,818
Um, wow,

1684
01:28:43,027 --> 01:28:45,863
I haven't given it
any thought, no.

1685
01:28:46,071 --> 01:28:47,865
I haven't, and, um,

1686
01:28:48,073 --> 01:28:51,744
I think it would be
a pretty boring movie.