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[laughs] 8 00:01:00,394 --> 00:01:04,632 And I'm very excited are here tonight, 9 00:01:04,665 --> 00:01:09,470 and I am very happy that all of you come to celebrate his work, 10 00:01:09,503 --> 00:01:13,541 his words, and he - it's, um... 11 00:01:13,574 --> 00:01:19,680 only beautiful and beautiful sounds. 12 00:01:19,713 --> 00:01:23,151 So I just thank from the bottom of my heart. 13 00:01:23,184 --> 00:01:29,457 And I thank JT from below my heart and soul. 14 00:01:30,358 --> 00:01:31,792 [Laughter] 15 00:01:31,825 --> 00:01:34,828 [Applause and applause] I love you, JT. 16 00:01:34,862 --> 00:01:38,299 You are an inspiration. 17 00:01:38,332 --> 00:01:39,467 Thank you. 18 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:42,336 [Applause and applause] 19 00:01:42,370 --> 00:01:45,606 Thank you, JT! 20 00:01:56,784 --> 00:01:58,786 ** 21 00:01:58,819 --> 00:02:02,656 Dirty: My guest, JT LeRoy, is a 21-year-old writer 22 00:02:02,690 --> 00:02:05,459 with two fiction books based on on his experience 23 00:02:05,493 --> 00:02:07,728 as his son from truck prostitutes stop. 24 00:02:07,761 --> 00:02:11,865 When LeRoy was 15 years old, his therapist, Dr. Terry Owens, 25 00:02:11,899 --> 00:02:12,866 encourages him to write. 26 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:15,836 Although LeRoy already exists about his life, 27 00:02:15,869 --> 00:02:18,472 he doesn't like to show his face to the press 28 00:02:18,506 --> 00:02:20,608 and do most of the interviews By telephone. 29 00:02:20,641 --> 00:02:22,710 It's Fresh Air. 30 00:02:22,743 --> 00:02:26,414 So, um, so, why do you still feel this is very important? to keep your identity hidden? 31 00:02:26,447 --> 00:02:29,550 Leroy: You know, I'm writing about things that are quite personal, 32 00:02:29,583 --> 00:02:34,222 and also, gender problems. 33 00:02:34,255 --> 00:02:36,757 Sometimes I like to go out as a girl. 34 00:02:36,790 --> 00:02:39,493 Sometimes, I like going out as a man. 35 00:02:39,527 --> 00:02:41,195 So, I really never wanted someone to come to me 36 00:02:41,229 --> 00:02:44,698 37 00:02:44,732 --> 00:02:46,567 and say, "I know what you are," 38 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,636 and being in that position where they can hurt me. 39 00:02:48,669 --> 00:02:51,205 Although your work is really interesting, 40 00:02:51,239 --> 00:02:53,541 Some people think so You may not really be there. 41 00:02:53,574 --> 00:02:56,244 In other words, that's JT LeRoy maybe the name of the pen, 42 00:02:56,277 --> 00:02:59,847 or deception, or the like extended performance pieces. 43 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:01,882 - [Laughter] - I mean, are you experiencing this? a lot of people think that this is fair 44 00:03:01,915 --> 00:03:04,885 some kind of trick? 45 00:03:04,918 --> 00:03:06,754 ** 46 00:03:06,787 --> 00:03:11,325 [The answering machine reads, click] 47 00:03:11,359 --> 00:03:14,962 [Beep] 48 00:03:21,469 --> 00:03:22,770 [Beep] 49 00:03:31,445 --> 00:03:32,713 [Beep] 50 00:03:42,990 --> 00:03:44,492 [Beep] 51 00:03:54,034 --> 00:03:55,536 52 00:04:22,963 --> 00:04:24,365 [Click, swish] 53 00:04:24,398 --> 00:04:27,568 LeRoy: Hi. I am JT - 54 00:04:27,601 --> 00:04:31,339 Jeremiah Terminator LeRoy. 55 00:04:31,372 --> 00:04:35,443 - [shouting unclear] -Jeremiah comes from the Bible, 56 00:04:35,476 --> 00:04:36,544 but I like that. 57 00:04:36,577 --> 00:04:38,946 That makes me feel protected. 58 00:04:38,979 --> 00:04:40,781 ** 59 00:04:40,814 --> 00:04:44,418 I was born in wild West Virginia on Halloween. 60 00:04:44,452 --> 00:04:45,586 [Cats chuckle] 61 00:04:45,619 --> 00:04:48,589 My mother is Sarah. 62 00:04:48,622 --> 00:04:51,625 He had me when he was 14 years old. 63 00:04:51,659 --> 00:04:54,395 He is using drugs and doesn't even know 64 00:04:54,428 --> 00:04:55,729 how to change diapers. 65 00:04:57,030 --> 00:04:59,032 Sarah is a prostitute... 66 00:04:59,066 --> 00:05:00,501 ** 67 00:05:00,534 --> 00:05:03,371 many lizards. 68 00:05:03,404 --> 00:05:05,873 We live in cars, motels. 69 00:05:05,906 --> 00:05:08,075 Every new city, we change our name. 70 00:05:09,109 --> 00:05:13,381 I can be a man, or I can be a woman. 71 00:05:13,414 --> 00:05:16,584 But usually, we sisters are therefore more permitted. 72 00:05:17,785 --> 00:05:20,454 Sarah married many times. 73 00:05:20,488 --> 00:05:24,692 Men only love him. She is beautiful. 74 00:05:24,725 --> 00:05:26,059 I keep thinking... 75 00:05:26,093 --> 00:05:27,461 ** 76 00:05:27,495 --> 00:05:29,997 if I can as beautiful as he is, 77 00:05:30,030 --> 00:05:32,032 he will see something in me. 78 00:05:34,602 --> 00:05:35,836 [Click] 79 00:05:35,869 --> 00:05:39,573 ** 80 00:05:39,607 --> 00:05:44,412 [Phone rings] 81 00:05:44,445 --> 00:05:47,615 Benderson: I remember the first call very well. 82 00:05:47,648 --> 00:05:50,651 The voice of a very gentle woman said, 83 00:05:50,684 --> 00:05:52,820 "May I speak to Bruce Benderson?" 84 00:05:52,853 --> 00:05:54,121 Immediately, I'm very suspicious 85 00:05:54,154 --> 00:05:56,156 because it sounds like a young girl 86 00:05:56,189 --> 00:05:58,892 of maybe 13-12, 13, 14. 87 00:05:58,926 --> 00:06:01,929 He said, "Well, I a great admirer of your work." 88 00:06:01,962 --> 00:06:04,598 [Click] 89 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:13,607 [Click] 90 00:06:13,641 --> 00:06:17,511 So, I said, "Are you a boy?" 91 00:06:17,545 --> 00:06:21,649 And he replied, "Well, the last time I checked it, me." 92 00:06:37,965 --> 00:06:41,935 [Fax machine call, beep, swish] 93 00:06:47,074 --> 00:06:49,577 On the floor, there are extraordinary 94 00:06:49,610 --> 00:06:51,612 stack of paper. 95 00:06:51,645 --> 00:06:54,047 And I sighed, and I tore it. [Shredded paper] 96 00:06:54,081 --> 00:06:56,817 And I started reading it, get ready to throw it away. 97 00:06:56,850 --> 00:07:00,053 LeRoy: "heroin in to tell you the truth of God." 98 00:07:00,087 --> 00:07:02,756 And I thought, "Oh my God, this can't be trusted. This person is a genius." 99 00:07:02,790 --> 00:07:04,758 He has given me his phone number, 100 00:07:04,792 --> 00:07:06,159 and I immediately called him back. [Phone call] 101 00:07:06,193 --> 00:07:08,929 [Phone rings] 102 00:07:08,962 --> 00:07:12,566 [Receiver click] 103 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,068 And then I say, "It's amazing - 104 00:07:17,137 --> 00:07:19,707 amazingly written." 105 00:07:19,740 --> 00:07:21,108 [Receiver click] 106 00:07:27,247 --> 00:07:28,749 LeRoy: That's something I always know. 107 00:07:37,224 --> 00:07:41,061 Heroin who came with the balloon special message for me. 108 00:07:41,094 --> 00:07:46,734 ** 109 00:07:46,767 --> 00:07:49,703 Yes, I will smoke, 110 00:07:49,737 --> 00:07:51,905 111 00:07:51,939 --> 00:07:54,842 shooting darkness, stay inside. 112 00:07:57,678 --> 00:07:58,912 [deep breathing] 113 00:07:58,946 --> 00:08:00,681 But the balloon is the only 114 00:08:00,714 --> 00:08:02,282 it will really save me. 115 00:08:02,315 --> 00:08:06,253 ** 116 00:08:06,286 --> 00:08:09,823 Heroin in to tell you God's truth is 117 00:08:09,857 --> 00:08:15,796 just to change me until the time comes. [Geese Gees] 118 00:08:15,829 --> 00:08:21,101 It will be a sunny day - no clouds, no wind. 119 00:08:21,134 --> 00:08:24,304 Many people will gather, smile and be happy. 120 00:08:24,337 --> 00:08:29,677 People will surround me and slowly attach my silver, 121 00:08:29,710 --> 00:08:34,081 my blues, my vegetables, my yellow. 122 00:08:34,114 --> 00:08:36,249 I feel myself getting lighter 123 00:08:36,283 --> 00:08:40,153 as a spring balloon branch of each branch. 124 00:08:41,955 --> 00:08:47,327 I am God who is wasted coming for their redemption 125 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,030 whether they like it or not. 126 00:08:53,100 --> 00:08:56,904 ** 127 00:09:02,710 --> 00:09:09,182 Man: Tell me about the first phone call that you made as JT. 128 00:09:13,353 --> 00:09:17,858 I will arrive at a point where I have to call, 129 00:09:17,891 --> 00:09:20,828 and I remember calling from the bathroom. 130 00:09:22,896 --> 00:09:25,899 I'm sitting on the floor near the toilet. 131 00:09:25,933 --> 00:09:27,100 [Camera shutter clicks] 132 00:09:27,134 --> 00:09:29,302 Geoff and I just moved together. 133 00:09:29,336 --> 00:09:30,604 [Camera shutter clicks] 134 00:09:30,638 --> 00:09:33,306 He is in another room playing guitar... [Guitar picking] 135 00:09:33,340 --> 00:09:38,779 do the music, and I just make calls... [Phone call] 136 00:09:38,812 --> 00:09:40,914 thinking about dying, 137 00:09:40,948 --> 00:09:43,350 want to die. 138 00:09:43,383 --> 00:09:45,786 And I call Child Crisis. [Phone call] 139 00:09:45,819 --> 00:09:47,888 That's the number that you can contact 140 00:09:47,921 --> 00:09:51,124 when you are in pain. [Phone rings] 141 00:09:51,158 --> 00:09:54,962 I remember I didn't know what was going to come out of me. 142 00:09:54,995 --> 00:10:00,668 I don't know who will overflow. 143 00:10:00,701 --> 00:10:02,970 [Ring continues, click recipient] And this man answers. 144 00:10:03,003 --> 00:10:04,304 Hi. I am Dr. Terrence Owens. 145 00:10:04,337 --> 00:10:05,338 I am clinical director 146 00:10:05,372 --> 00:10:08,108 from the Masonic Center for Youth and Families. 147 00:10:36,870 --> 00:10:39,873 He asks what is my name. 148 00:10:39,907 --> 00:10:41,441 And that's "Terminator," 149 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:45,445 which I will never choose because it's a stupid name. 150 00:10:45,478 --> 00:10:48,248 But that's the name. 151 00:10:48,281 --> 00:10:50,751 He is 13 years old, 152 00:10:50,784 --> 00:10:52,452 change the trick, 153 00:10:52,485 --> 00:10:54,421 live on the streets. 154 00:10:54,454 --> 00:10:57,891 And Dr. Owens, he said, 155 00:10:57,925 --> 00:10:59,860 "Why don't you call back tomorrow?" 156 00:10:59,893 --> 00:11:03,897 ** 157 00:11:05,298 --> 00:11:07,768 And I don't know if the Terminator wants, 158 00:11:07,801 --> 00:11:10,971 or whether he will be there or whether it will work. 159 00:11:11,004 --> 00:11:15,743 Many other boys have gone through me, 160 00:11:15,776 --> 00:11:17,711 they don't... 161 00:11:17,745 --> 00:11:20,748 they don't live. 162 00:11:20,781 --> 00:11:25,719 But he did it, and he was there. 163 00:11:25,753 --> 00:11:27,287 [Phone call] 164 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,125 And slowly, my life begins to spin around talking 165 00:11:32,159 --> 00:11:34,261 to Dr. Owens the next day. [Phone rings] 166 00:11:34,294 --> 00:11:37,898 So as if my world is under water. 167 00:11:37,931 --> 00:11:42,102 And then, for half an hour, the Terminator will talk to him, 168 00:11:42,135 --> 00:11:43,436 first... [exhale sharply] 169 00:11:45,138 --> 00:11:48,842 breath of air, and then I will go bankrupt. 170 00:11:48,876 --> 00:11:50,944 [Click, swish] 171 00:11:50,978 --> 00:11:52,980 ** 172 00:11:53,013 --> 00:11:56,383 Okay, today's date 8 January 173 00:11:56,416 --> 00:12:00,453 and I'm Laura. 174 00:12:00,487 --> 00:12:03,290 What happened My parents were divorced 175 00:12:03,323 --> 00:12:06,894 when I was in eighth grade, and it just exploded for me. 176 00:12:06,927 --> 00:12:10,330 [Fireworks whistling, popping up] 177 00:12:10,363 --> 00:12:12,499 I started to resign a different school, 178 00:12:12,532 --> 00:12:15,168 and my mother went berserk. 179 00:12:16,336 --> 00:12:17,938 [hissing, screaming girl] We have done this fight, 180 00:12:17,971 --> 00:12:21,474 and he loses control and throws, like, heavy things. 181 00:12:21,508 --> 00:12:23,543 [Clatter] 182 00:12:23,576 --> 00:12:27,014 He goes, like, together different men all the time, 183 00:12:27,047 --> 00:12:28,949 lots of slippery bags that will come to me 184 00:12:28,982 --> 00:12:30,350 it will, you know, try dirt - 185 00:12:30,383 --> 00:12:32,152 Like, someone will call me in the middle of the night 186 00:12:32,185 --> 00:12:34,221 and say he loves me, he wants to be my father, 187 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:35,823 but he also wants it to be my lover. 188 00:12:35,856 --> 00:12:37,390 [Phone rings] 189 00:12:37,424 --> 00:12:39,126 And my mother saw this nonsense too. 190 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:41,294 He saw how to mess it up too. 191 00:12:43,463 --> 00:12:45,365 I called my father. My father said, 192 00:12:45,398 --> 00:12:46,233 "Good..." 193 00:12:46,266 --> 00:12:48,869 I like, you know, "Hey, fuck you." 194 00:12:48,902 --> 00:12:50,237 So, I decided, someday, 195 00:12:50,270 --> 00:12:54,241 "I have to act. I have to do something." 196 00:12:54,274 --> 00:12:58,912 [Recipient clicks, telephone call] I pick up the phone. I contacted this hotline. 197 00:12:58,946 --> 00:13:01,248 [Phone rings] And it never happened 198 00:13:01,281 --> 00:13:03,516 for me to call myself. 199 00:13:03,550 --> 00:13:05,986 What reactions will there be other than that, 200 00:13:06,019 --> 00:13:08,989 "Are you fat and ugly and ugly and deserve it"? 201 00:13:09,022 --> 00:13:14,061 So, I introduce myself as a man. 202 00:13:15,362 --> 00:13:18,598 And I speak about this situation at home, 203 00:13:18,631 --> 00:13:21,534 there is physical violence occurs 204 00:13:21,568 --> 00:13:26,006 and inappropriate sexual relations. 205 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:30,410 And they are very supportive and caring. 206 00:13:30,443 --> 00:13:33,981 When I hang up, I feel relieved. 207 00:13:34,014 --> 00:13:38,085 ** 208 00:13:38,118 --> 00:13:41,421 [Voice breaking] I don't understand that. 209 00:13:41,454 --> 00:13:44,191 [Crying] All I know is that works, it's like magic. 210 00:13:44,224 --> 00:13:46,226 It's really amazing. 211 00:13:46,259 --> 00:13:48,561 And I'm very addictive. 212 00:13:48,595 --> 00:13:52,432 ** 213 00:13:53,266 --> 00:13:55,468 Terminator has problems with continuity, 214 00:13:55,502 --> 00:14:01,408 be Dr. Owen suggested that the Terminator start writing. 215 00:14:22,963 --> 00:14:27,200 What the Terminator writes is completely different. 216 00:14:27,234 --> 00:14:29,269 That really surprised me. 217 00:14:29,302 --> 00:14:31,604 He wrote this section called "Baby doll." 218 00:14:31,638 --> 00:14:35,175 LeRoy: When Jesus died, shouted the angels, 219 00:14:35,208 --> 00:14:38,478 and their tears change to stone. 220 00:14:38,511 --> 00:14:43,050 My hands tremble when I take out my item, 221 00:14:43,083 --> 00:14:45,652 leads me to hell. 222 00:14:45,685 --> 00:14:49,022 Albert: He sent him to Dr. Owens. [Fax machine call] 223 00:14:49,056 --> 00:14:52,659 [The fax machine sounds, swish] 224 00:14:52,692 --> 00:14:55,362 And it's like... 225 00:14:55,395 --> 00:14:58,298 a new world is open. 226 00:14:58,331 --> 00:15:00,934 So, Dr. Owens and I know 227 00:15:00,968 --> 00:15:04,537 that the Terminator's real name is Jeremy. 228 00:15:04,571 --> 00:15:07,140 And one day, I have to get Dr. Owens 229 00:15:07,174 --> 00:15:09,409 some of Jeremy's works. 230 00:15:09,442 --> 00:15:12,379 And I ride along the way to the hospital. 231 00:15:12,412 --> 00:15:16,149 Terminator is driving. 232 00:15:16,183 --> 00:15:18,518 I pedaled, but he was driving. 233 00:15:20,553 --> 00:15:21,421 So I got there. 234 00:15:21,454 --> 00:15:23,523 They starred in Dr. Owens. -Dr. Owens. 235 00:15:23,556 --> 00:15:27,227 Albert: I am very scared. 236 00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:29,396 I met Dr. Owens, 237 00:15:29,429 --> 00:15:32,332 and he asks me what is my name. 238 00:15:32,365 --> 00:15:34,101 And I just thought, "How did I get here? 239 00:15:34,134 --> 00:15:37,204 Very fast - Speedie." [Laughs] 240 00:15:37,237 --> 00:15:39,039 That is my name. 241 00:15:39,072 --> 00:15:40,307 [Camera shutter clicks] 242 00:15:40,340 --> 00:15:41,975 He is an [English accent] "Hello. I'm Speedie. 243 00:15:42,009 --> 00:15:43,143 Nice to meet you." 244 00:15:43,176 --> 00:15:45,012 [Normal voice] He's English. 245 00:15:45,045 --> 00:15:47,514 [Click] 246 00:16:18,711 --> 00:16:19,546 [Click] 247 00:16:19,579 --> 00:16:23,016 So Jeremy wants it to be a better writer, 248 00:16:23,050 --> 00:16:24,384 so I read everything, 249 00:16:24,417 --> 00:16:26,453 everything I can get my hand. 250 00:16:48,641 --> 00:16:53,413 And that only resonates with everything... 251 00:16:53,446 --> 00:16:56,249 - [Grunts, groans] -... lives inside me. 252 00:16:56,283 --> 00:16:57,584 Boy: [Screams] 253 00:16:57,617 --> 00:16:59,819 And I usually pray not, "God, please make me 254 00:16:59,852 --> 00:17:01,388 beautiful beautiful girl." 255 00:17:01,421 --> 00:17:04,457 That, "Let me wake up as a cute blonde, 256 00:17:04,491 --> 00:17:08,095 blue-eyed man - a blond, blue-eyed boy 257 00:17:08,128 --> 00:17:10,597 that a man will like and want to make love." 258 00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:13,233 ** 259 00:17:13,266 --> 00:17:18,071 [Phone rings] 260 00:17:18,105 --> 00:17:20,507 Silverberg: So, this young person reaches out. 261 00:17:21,341 --> 00:17:22,775 There is a kooky factor. 262 00:17:22,809 --> 00:17:24,344 [Southern Accent] I mean, when someone talks like that 263 00:17:24,377 --> 00:17:25,545 on the phone that says, "I'm homeless, 264 00:17:25,578 --> 00:17:27,614 and I have to pass to Dennis Cooper. 265 00:17:27,647 --> 00:17:30,517 and I go around with a fax machine." 266 00:17:45,665 --> 00:17:49,436 It seems perfect for Dennis, and Dennis did it. 267 00:17:49,469 --> 00:17:53,440 [Phone rings] 268 00:18:10,190 --> 00:18:11,358 [Recipient click, dial tone] 269 00:18:11,391 --> 00:18:14,294 Well, I mean it's all, like, you know, 270 00:18:14,327 --> 00:18:15,695 "I like your book 'Try'." 271 00:18:15,728 --> 00:18:17,564 This is my Bible, and I'm really connected 272 00:18:17,597 --> 00:18:21,301 for characters that allows men to sexually use them. 273 00:18:21,334 --> 00:18:22,635 [Click] 274 00:18:35,915 --> 00:18:37,850 He will say he calls from - 275 00:18:37,884 --> 00:18:39,719 Sometimes, he says public telephone. 276 00:18:39,752 --> 00:18:40,653 [Coins vibrate] 277 00:18:40,687 --> 00:18:42,855 Sometimes, he said he was at a friend's house, 278 00:18:42,889 --> 00:18:46,193 and finally that friend becomes Speedie. 279 00:18:46,226 --> 00:18:49,696 There isn't much time where Jeremy is homeless, 280 00:18:49,729 --> 00:18:53,766 and finally he got this boyfriend, Astor. 281 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,269 So you have this character pattern, 282 00:18:56,303 --> 00:19:00,340 and suddenly I need Astor 283 00:19:00,373 --> 00:19:02,742 to be Geoff. [Ding! ] 284 00:19:02,775 --> 00:19:05,512 Because Astor doesn't exist. 285 00:19:05,545 --> 00:19:09,382 Astor fair on astral plane. 286 00:19:29,569 --> 00:19:33,373 So, it happened Jeremy is now alive 287 00:19:33,406 --> 00:19:37,844 with Speedie and Astor as a family. 288 00:19:37,877 --> 00:19:39,779 [Click] 289 00:19:39,812 --> 00:19:43,450 ** 290 00:19:43,483 --> 00:19:47,254 Being with my Barbie, I control, 291 00:19:47,287 --> 00:19:48,955 and that commands the universe. 292 00:19:48,988 --> 00:19:54,827 And the Barbie world I'm not a happy world. 293 00:19:54,861 --> 00:19:58,731 Actually there are photos where I have them all lined up 294 00:19:58,765 --> 00:20:00,933 naked with their butts in the air. 295 00:20:00,967 --> 00:20:03,670 And they go for discipline. 296 00:20:03,703 --> 00:20:08,841 I will make this very intense, very intense story. 297 00:20:08,875 --> 00:20:12,879 Barbie I committed rape crimes 298 00:20:12,912 --> 00:20:14,881 and assault 299 00:20:14,914 --> 00:20:17,284 and child abuse. 300 00:20:17,317 --> 00:20:21,554 They get hurt, and I can make them bleed. 301 00:20:21,588 --> 00:20:23,356 They are given black eyes. 302 00:20:23,390 --> 00:20:25,558 ** 303 00:20:25,592 --> 00:20:26,959 I don't know 304 00:20:26,993 --> 00:20:32,465 that the way I play Barbie dolls are not normal. 305 00:20:32,499 --> 00:20:33,833 [Click] 306 00:20:33,866 --> 00:20:37,837 Gradually, the story Terminator starts coming out. 307 00:20:37,870 --> 00:20:38,971 [Click, swish] 308 00:20:39,005 --> 00:20:43,276 He said he came from a Southern Baptist background 309 00:20:43,310 --> 00:20:46,446 with sadistic, fundamentalist grandparents. 310 00:20:46,479 --> 00:20:49,015 [splashing liquid, screaming boy] One of them makes it bathe 311 00:20:49,048 --> 00:20:52,852 in a bleach bath. 312 00:21:05,798 --> 00:21:10,870 It's more gradual coming out that the AIDS he has 313 00:21:10,903 --> 00:21:14,374 maybe caught one of his mother's girlfriends 314 00:21:14,407 --> 00:21:16,609 who has tortured him. 315 00:21:16,643 --> 00:21:19,946 And the high voice might be due to the fact 316 00:21:19,979 --> 00:21:23,483 that the genitals have been mutilated 317 00:21:23,516 --> 00:21:26,018 so he never goes into puberty. 318 00:21:42,802 --> 00:21:44,070 [Phone rings] 319 00:21:44,103 --> 00:21:47,840 He finally gave up for my constant question 320 00:21:47,874 --> 00:21:50,643 by offering to send me a photo. 321 00:21:53,513 --> 00:21:59,051 They show a rather interesting blond boy around 15. 322 00:21:59,085 --> 00:22:02,922 And I really frame them and put them on my bookshelf 323 00:22:02,955 --> 00:22:06,926 with photos of my family and my lover. 324 00:22:06,959 --> 00:22:10,530 At that time, helped him develop as a writer 325 00:22:10,563 --> 00:22:12,665 becomes a mission for me. 326 00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:15,702 ** 327 00:22:41,661 --> 00:22:42,862 [player click video] 328 00:22:49,469 --> 00:22:50,670 [player click video] 329 00:22:59,011 --> 00:23:02,649 There are not many findings in publishing anymore. 330 00:23:02,682 --> 00:23:06,085 To hear new sounds is fun. 331 00:23:06,118 --> 00:23:11,591 William Burroughs, Genet, Allen Ginsberg - 332 00:23:11,624 --> 00:23:16,963 all of these people give to alternative cultures 333 00:23:16,996 --> 00:23:19,999 and suddenly it seems there is a torch torch. 334 00:23:20,032 --> 00:23:23,603 This is a homeless teenager who deals with HIV, 335 00:23:23,636 --> 00:23:25,204 just got off the road. 336 00:23:25,237 --> 00:23:27,474 Someone, whose job is invited to talk 337 00:23:27,507 --> 00:23:31,644 aspects of American culture I have never heard before. 338 00:23:54,601 --> 00:23:55,935 And it shouldn't. 339 00:23:55,968 --> 00:23:57,904 I know I still need to write. 340 00:23:57,937 --> 00:23:59,138 I still want to write. 341 00:23:59,171 --> 00:24:01,173 But I don't want to damn write that crap. 342 00:24:01,207 --> 00:24:04,076 And I don't let them publish work. 343 00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:07,046 You are sure because the fuck is not running away from the book agreement. 344 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:08,681 And I do it. 345 00:24:09,582 --> 00:24:11,083 [Alternate page] 346 00:24:14,086 --> 00:24:17,089 ** 347 00:24:19,692 --> 00:24:23,696 I am 32 years old, and I am pregnant. 348 00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:28,835 And I still speak with Dr. Owens, 349 00:24:28,868 --> 00:24:31,037 but everything changes. 350 00:24:34,574 --> 00:24:37,076 But Jeremy is still there. 351 00:24:37,109 --> 00:24:40,279 And my body just betrayed him 352 00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:43,249 in the final way. 353 00:24:45,685 --> 00:24:48,955 I am really a woman. 354 00:24:48,988 --> 00:24:53,960 I have given birth to a baby boy I breastfeed. 355 00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:56,696 There is no hope in hell that I will give Jeremy his body 356 00:24:56,729 --> 00:24:59,298 which he really wants. 357 00:24:59,331 --> 00:25:01,968 Because of my focus, my number one priority, 358 00:25:02,001 --> 00:25:05,572 what is this baby. 359 00:25:05,605 --> 00:25:07,674 Not him. 360 00:25:07,707 --> 00:25:09,075 And then one day, the door of willingness is open. 361 00:25:10,643 --> 00:25:15,247 That's exactly like watching a movie. 362 00:25:18,885 --> 00:25:20,987 363 00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:24,891 It's like the 1940 series, cliff hanger. 364 00:25:24,924 --> 00:25:27,894 I will only see to the next street sign. 365 00:25:27,927 --> 00:25:29,061 I am in the fog. 366 00:25:29,095 --> 00:25:31,898 I will get to that point soon. 367 00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:34,033 Then I will end it. 368 00:25:34,066 --> 00:25:35,968 I don't know where will go forever, 369 00:25:36,002 --> 00:25:37,670 but that continues to guide me, 370 00:25:37,704 --> 00:25:39,872 and I will do it watch it unfold, 371 00:25:39,906 --> 00:25:44,010 and that's very fun. 372 00:25:44,043 --> 00:25:45,678 [Air brakes explode] 373 00:25:45,712 --> 00:25:49,782 [Engine revs] 374 00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:55,154 [moaning] 375 00:25:55,187 --> 00:25:58,691 LeRoy: I looked up and saw a glowing aura 376 00:25:58,725 --> 00:26:01,961 from the Holy Jackalope Temple. 377 00:26:01,994 --> 00:26:04,764 [Voice of Gong] 378 00:26:04,797 --> 00:26:07,600 [Steps] 379 00:26:11,671 --> 00:26:13,372 Everyone closes their eyes 380 00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:18,778 and make their prayers newly discovered libidinous powers. 381 00:26:18,811 --> 00:26:21,080 [Boing! ] 382 00:26:21,914 --> 00:26:24,016 I reach over my tube, 383 00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:28,855 Take the bone of my raccoon penis, and grip it tightly. 384 00:26:28,888 --> 00:26:32,659 Please, oh, divine jackalope. 385 00:26:32,692 --> 00:26:35,662 I want to be a real lizard. 386 00:26:35,695 --> 00:26:39,966 I want to get very large bones. 387 00:26:42,234 --> 00:26:46,338 I finished writing the story, and I don't know what that is. 388 00:26:46,372 --> 00:26:48,140 I speak with the editor, 389 00:26:48,174 --> 00:26:50,777 and he returned to me and he said, 390 00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:53,379 "You write a novel." 391 00:26:53,412 --> 00:26:56,949 Sarah entered and it felt completely formed. 392 00:26:56,983 --> 00:27:00,086 It is like Athena arises from Zeus's head. 393 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,889 Sounds like the sound of vision. 394 00:27:02,922 --> 00:27:04,857 [player click video] 395 00:27:11,998 --> 00:27:13,032 [player click video] 396 00:27:13,065 --> 00:27:14,834 This book is very different from another Writing Terminator. 397 00:27:14,867 --> 00:27:16,736 So we need a different name. 398 00:27:16,769 --> 00:27:18,170 He doesn't want to use his name, Jeremy, 399 00:27:18,204 --> 00:27:20,239 so the editor suggests use the initials - 400 00:27:20,272 --> 00:27:24,844 Jeremy Terminator, JT. 401 00:27:24,877 --> 00:27:27,413 Jeremy has a last name 402 00:27:27,446 --> 00:27:29,048 from my phone sex client, LeRoy. 403 00:27:29,081 --> 00:27:31,951 [Click phone] 404 00:27:32,484 --> 00:27:33,886 [Click phone] 405 00:27:47,934 --> 00:27:49,001 So we have a name - JT LeRoy. 406 00:27:49,035 --> 00:27:52,004 [Cash] 407 00:27:52,038 --> 00:27:53,239 408 00:27:53,272 --> 00:27:56,809 So they send unintentional books. 409 00:27:57,376 --> 00:28:00,980 And I don't know how it will be received, 410 00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:03,215 because I know that is very strange. 411 00:28:03,249 --> 00:28:07,019 I haven't seen anything else like it out there. 412 00:28:07,053 --> 00:28:08,955 And we start get a review again. 413 00:28:08,988 --> 00:28:13,960 And they really, very good. 414 00:28:13,993 --> 00:28:17,463 And that is the most interesting feeling to get this response 415 00:28:17,496 --> 00:28:20,099 from this book which I don't mean to write. 416 00:28:20,132 --> 00:28:23,469 [player click video] 417 00:28:23,502 --> 00:28:24,937 [player click video] 418 00:28:49,962 --> 00:28:51,330 Today we will do "Sarah" by JT LeRoy. 419 00:28:51,363 --> 00:28:54,433 JT LeRoy is a very young American writer 420 00:28:54,466 --> 00:28:56,803 421 00:28:56,836 --> 00:28:58,304 Who explodes on the literary scene. 422 00:28:58,337 --> 00:29:01,340 That makes me think all Southern stories - 423 00:29:01,373 --> 00:29:03,943 Flannery O'Connor and Faulkner. 424 00:29:03,976 --> 00:29:05,477 South Gothic superstar Yes. 425 00:29:05,511 --> 00:29:07,947 There are many Truman Capote in this man. 426 00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:11,083 And I really like this young boy. 427 00:29:11,117 --> 00:29:15,287 And a collision between naivety and maturity. 428 00:29:15,321 --> 00:29:20,759 It's like this a little weird a supernova called Sarah. 429 00:29:22,261 --> 00:29:25,097 Albert: JT LeRoy is very, very shy. 430 00:29:25,131 --> 00:29:27,066 He can't do readings. 431 00:29:27,099 --> 00:29:30,402 So people suggest, can't read it? 432 00:29:30,436 --> 00:29:31,537 Let us read it. 433 00:29:33,305 --> 00:29:35,842 So it's first reading, 434 00:29:35,875 --> 00:29:36,976 and I am there. 435 00:29:37,009 --> 00:29:38,010 [Bell slamming] 436 00:29:38,044 --> 00:29:39,979 And nobody knows I'm there. 437 00:29:40,012 --> 00:29:41,380 Hi everyone. 438 00:29:41,413 --> 00:29:44,183 Congratulations on reading for JT LeRoy's book, "Sarah," 439 00:29:44,216 --> 00:29:45,551 who just came out. 440 00:29:46,418 --> 00:29:49,188 "Le Loup uses flashier lights, but thin people 441 00:29:49,221 --> 00:29:51,323 as talks spread luck turn evil 442 00:29:51,357 --> 00:29:54,994 after visiting me, patron saint of truck driver." 443 00:29:55,027 --> 00:29:56,262 [Applause] 444 00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:59,165 Albert: I will die if anyone knows 445 00:29:59,198 --> 00:30:03,535 because I'm big and I'm uncomfortable on my skin. 446 00:30:03,569 --> 00:30:06,005 And all of them come to hear 447 00:30:06,038 --> 00:30:09,141 This is really hip, new, cool writer, 448 00:30:09,175 --> 00:30:10,142 and I am not that. 449 00:30:10,176 --> 00:30:12,879 [Conversation unclear] 450 00:30:12,912 --> 00:30:16,115 ** 451 00:30:17,183 --> 00:30:19,118 Alright this is Laura again. 452 00:30:19,151 --> 00:30:21,888 I just started very depressed, 453 00:30:21,921 --> 00:30:25,524 and I know being at home really betrayed me. 454 00:30:25,557 --> 00:30:29,996 And my mother, like, doesn't know what to do with me. 455 00:30:30,029 --> 00:30:31,463 So I want to get help. 456 00:30:32,664 --> 00:30:35,401 We go to this place, St. Vincents. 457 00:30:35,434 --> 00:30:38,470 This is a mental institution - like a trash can. 458 00:30:38,504 --> 00:30:41,874 And we pack my things and we go. 459 00:30:41,908 --> 00:30:44,043 We boarded the unit. 460 00:30:44,076 --> 00:30:45,611 There are these old people 461 00:30:45,644 --> 00:30:49,916 just walking in Thorazine's gaze. 462 00:30:49,949 --> 00:30:52,284 This is a very scary place 13 years old to enter, 463 00:30:52,318 --> 00:30:54,053 but I feel safe Because I'm like, 464 00:30:54,086 --> 00:30:55,587 "Hey, I'm with my mother." 465 00:30:55,621 --> 00:30:57,556 And then I said, "Okay, you know, Mom, 466 00:30:57,589 --> 00:30:59,992 I've had enough with this, I want to go." 467 00:31:00,026 --> 00:31:03,095 And he said to me, "I left, you stayed." 468 00:31:09,368 --> 00:31:13,305 So "Sarah" is in the world of to get great praise 469 00:31:13,339 --> 00:31:15,641 and they want more JT LeRoy. 470 00:31:15,674 --> 00:31:20,379 So we took the collection the old Terminator story. 471 00:31:21,447 --> 00:31:25,451 LeRoy: All the voices in my head scream at me. 472 00:31:25,484 --> 00:31:28,955 And I can't look out again. 473 00:31:29,288 --> 00:31:34,093 I can only see large wooden electric chairs, 474 00:31:34,126 --> 00:31:36,695 cable, waiting, and blank. 475 00:31:36,728 --> 00:31:41,133 And the Horned One, with his wet blood claws, 476 00:31:41,167 --> 00:31:44,370 gripping silver gray switch. 477 00:31:44,403 --> 00:31:46,973 [Electric buzzing] 478 00:31:47,006 --> 00:31:48,240 Laura Albert: We give the title, 479 00:31:48,274 --> 00:31:51,243 "The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things." 480 00:31:51,277 --> 00:31:56,282 And that happens The next novel is JT LeRoy. 481 00:31:56,315 --> 00:31:57,683 [player click video] 482 00:32:39,425 --> 00:32:40,959 [player click video] 483 00:32:41,727 --> 00:32:45,197 [Horn horn] 484 00:32:45,231 --> 00:32:48,300 JT has enough followers. 485 00:32:48,334 --> 00:32:50,769 Some people call it as a sect follower. 486 00:32:50,802 --> 00:32:53,005 I came because I really want to see 487 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:54,340 what are all the hype about. 488 00:32:54,373 --> 00:32:58,210 He was created, you know, uh, this rumor around him. 489 00:32:58,244 --> 00:33:01,580 The specialty of JT LeRoy is buzz. 490 00:33:01,613 --> 00:33:04,350 Lack of a body in a funeral 491 00:33:04,383 --> 00:33:07,119 makes it so much more interesting. 492 00:33:07,153 --> 00:33:09,655 Because JT doesn't come out and read for itself, 493 00:33:09,688 --> 00:33:12,558 he has a lot of supporting celebrity groups 494 00:33:12,591 --> 00:33:15,227 who will come out and read his work because they love him. 495 00:33:16,062 --> 00:33:19,465 Well, I feel like I have - new good friends 496 00:33:19,498 --> 00:33:21,233 because I already - I have talked to him 497 00:33:21,267 --> 00:33:22,468 on the phone all week. 498 00:33:22,501 --> 00:33:23,769 [Video player clicks] 499 00:33:30,609 --> 00:33:33,279 In "Sarah," - bone raccoon 500 00:33:33,312 --> 00:33:35,214 is a kind of badge of honor. 501 00:33:35,247 --> 00:33:36,515 This, um... 502 00:33:36,548 --> 00:33:39,485 the equivalent of a prostitute from a military sling, 503 00:33:39,518 --> 00:33:41,687 or Scout achievement badge. 504 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,323 I can't bring myself to bring, uh, 505 00:33:44,356 --> 00:33:45,757 at this stage of my life... [Laughs] 506 00:33:45,791 --> 00:33:50,096 uh... the penis of another mammal rests on my neck. 507 00:33:50,129 --> 00:33:52,731 Silverberg: The one signed JT LeRoy penis bone raccoon 508 00:33:52,764 --> 00:33:55,267 is a brilliant work ephemera. 509 00:33:55,301 --> 00:33:56,535 They sell! They sell. 510 00:33:56,568 --> 00:33:58,504 People buy this bone raccoon penis. 511 00:33:58,537 --> 00:34:01,673 It's as close as anyone will get JT LeRoy. 512 00:34:05,244 --> 00:34:07,313 Um... Yes, I did. 513 00:34:07,346 --> 00:34:08,747 I believe that I will meet him. 514 00:34:08,780 --> 00:34:10,416 I do. 515 00:34:10,816 --> 00:34:12,284 [player click video] 516 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:30,536 [player click video] 517 00:34:30,569 --> 00:34:34,540 Laura Albert: So, the books took off, especially abroad, 518 00:34:34,573 --> 00:34:38,244 and you have German media really, really want 519 00:34:38,277 --> 00:34:42,281 to broadcast live, direct interview. 520 00:34:42,314 --> 00:34:45,851 JT LeRoy must walk between us. 521 00:34:45,884 --> 00:34:48,387 ** 522 00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:51,557 One day Savannah has ended in our house, 523 00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:54,126 and he sits on the sofa, 524 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,829 and he shaved his head and colored his hair with blue, 525 00:34:57,863 --> 00:35:01,300 and he wants it to try on my glasses. 526 00:35:01,333 --> 00:35:02,701 I have this straw hat, 527 00:35:02,734 --> 00:35:05,437 and I gave him bone penis raccoon, 528 00:35:05,471 --> 00:35:09,308 and he chewed it like corn cobs. 529 00:35:09,341 --> 00:35:13,312 And I see it and I say, 530 00:35:13,345 --> 00:35:16,114 "You know, you look like JT LeRoy." 531 00:35:18,484 --> 00:35:20,352 So I came up with an idea - 532 00:35:20,386 --> 00:35:21,920 only once. 533 00:35:21,953 --> 00:35:25,391 You wear sunglasses, a cute blonde wig. 534 00:35:25,424 --> 00:35:27,359 We will, like, tie your breasts. 535 00:35:27,393 --> 00:35:29,328 This will be very fast. 536 00:35:29,361 --> 00:35:30,662 You will get 50 dollars. 537 00:35:30,696 --> 00:35:33,932 [Cash] And he fell. 538 00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:37,369 ** 539 00:36:09,501 --> 00:36:11,770 Laura Albert: When we were filming, 540 00:36:11,803 --> 00:36:14,473 Savannah is standing on Polk Street, 541 00:36:14,506 --> 00:36:16,375 types of tattered clothes, 542 00:36:16,408 --> 00:36:18,644 looks like a street dealer. 543 00:36:21,513 --> 00:36:27,553 Laura Albert: I am very afraid that he cannot articulate it. 544 00:36:27,586 --> 00:36:31,890 And they interviewed Savannah - they interviewed JT. 545 00:36:40,899 --> 00:36:43,602 Laura Albert: And it's amazing to watch 546 00:36:43,635 --> 00:36:46,938 how he actually lives in him. 547 00:36:46,972 --> 00:36:52,778 He only has that feature which is more masculine, 548 00:36:52,811 --> 00:36:56,715 which is very fitting for a teenage boy. 549 00:37:04,423 --> 00:37:05,857 Perfect Savannah, 550 00:37:05,891 --> 00:37:09,795 and this is really free moment 551 00:37:09,828 --> 00:37:13,432 because almost like in "Frankenstein," 552 00:37:13,465 --> 00:37:15,667 "Let there be life." 553 00:37:17,336 --> 00:37:23,842 I'm watching JT directly. 554 00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:34,686 Laura Albert: Um, I was ostracized, 555 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:37,289 and people like, "You are in a mental hospital." 556 00:37:37,323 --> 00:37:39,891 You are crazy. 557 00:37:40,626 --> 00:37:41,660 Laura Albert: I feel like a mismatch. 558 00:37:41,693 --> 00:37:45,297 I am completely isolated. 559 00:37:45,331 --> 00:37:49,868 And I found this secret society, and that is mine. 560 00:37:49,901 --> 00:37:52,404 In grade 9, I entered punk. 561 00:37:52,438 --> 00:37:53,872 That - it helps me, okay? 562 00:37:53,905 --> 00:37:56,842 I have a lot of problems, and that helps me. 563 00:37:56,875 --> 00:38:00,346 I get my little fingers, Generation X, 564 00:38:00,379 --> 00:38:01,947 and Sex Pistols. 565 00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:05,384 I heard that note, and my fate was sealed. 566 00:38:05,417 --> 00:38:07,018 I mean that's everything. 567 00:38:07,052 --> 00:38:08,720 That's it. 568 00:38:08,754 --> 00:38:10,456 But I will only come out 569 00:38:10,489 --> 00:38:12,458 if I feel My weight decreases, 570 00:38:12,491 --> 00:38:15,894 if I can get into clothes that's pretty punk. 571 00:38:15,927 --> 00:38:18,564 There is nothing worse than being a fat punk. 572 00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:23,902 So I will send my sister in the world to live for me. 573 00:38:24,803 --> 00:38:28,907 Jojo is my avatar in punk. 574 00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:31,777 I will dress it up, I use makeup, 575 00:38:31,810 --> 00:38:33,779 I will arrange her hair. 576 00:38:35,514 --> 00:38:37,383 I have a leather jacket. 577 00:38:37,416 --> 00:38:39,885 I will put a badge on him. 578 00:38:40,686 --> 00:38:43,054 I will choose a T-shirt. 579 00:38:43,088 --> 00:38:44,790 I perfected his appearance, 580 00:38:44,823 --> 00:38:47,793 which is a two-sex boundary . 581 00:38:47,826 --> 00:38:51,897 Like he can become a man, but he also looks cute. 582 00:38:52,998 --> 00:38:56,368 I will tell him who will he talk to, 583 00:38:56,402 --> 00:38:59,871 who he will meet, 584 00:38:59,905 --> 00:39:02,641 and he must report back to me. 585 00:39:02,674 --> 00:39:04,109 And I sent it away. 586 00:39:04,976 --> 00:39:06,945 I am very intense away in the scene 587 00:39:06,978 --> 00:39:08,847 because I might be able to - 588 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,016 live in my head, see it revealed 589 00:39:11,049 --> 00:39:13,985 without actually must be there. 590 00:39:14,019 --> 00:39:16,988 ** 591 00:39:17,689 --> 00:39:19,157 [Engine revs] 592 00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:24,963 Hey, Mikey, how long have I been on the street? 593 00:39:24,996 --> 00:39:26,732 on this crusade? 594 00:39:26,765 --> 00:39:30,068 I like Gus Van Sant "My Own Private Idaho." 595 00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:33,505 So when he wants it to the option "Sarah," 596 00:39:33,539 --> 00:39:35,641 as if we were following 597 00:39:35,674 --> 00:39:37,876 existing paths are destined. 598 00:39:37,909 --> 00:39:39,778 [player click video] 599 00:39:54,493 --> 00:39:55,694 [player click video] 600 00:39:55,727 --> 00:39:56,928 Like JT LeRoy, 601 00:39:56,962 --> 00:39:59,931 I have hours of conversations with him. 602 00:39:59,965 --> 00:40:03,869 But now, we have to meet him. 603 00:40:03,902 --> 00:40:08,139 How can I do it? give all the details, 604 00:40:08,173 --> 00:40:11,910 little things to Savannah? 605 00:40:11,943 --> 00:40:14,913 What if they talk about movies? 606 00:40:17,716 --> 00:40:19,518 He came to San Francisco, 607 00:40:19,551 --> 00:40:22,153 and he brought the actor Michael Pitt with him. 608 00:40:23,755 --> 00:40:24,956 So we went to a restaurant, 609 00:40:24,990 --> 00:40:26,858 and we wait for Gus to appear, 610 00:40:26,892 --> 00:40:29,127 and I'm very nervous. 611 00:40:30,128 --> 00:40:31,630 I am his assistant. 612 00:40:31,663 --> 00:40:35,501 But I have to be advocate for this book 613 00:40:35,534 --> 00:40:37,736 and finish the job. 614 00:40:37,769 --> 00:40:38,770 So we met Gus. 615 00:40:38,804 --> 00:40:40,038 [player click video] 616 00:40:59,658 --> 00:41:00,826 [player click video] 617 00:41:00,859 --> 00:41:02,193 They bring out 618 00:41:02,227 --> 00:41:05,664 all of this really, a very expensive dish. 619 00:41:05,697 --> 00:41:06,932 And I really want to find out 620 00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:08,634 what he wants to do with "Sarah." 621 00:41:08,667 --> 00:41:09,868 [player click video] 622 00:41:24,583 --> 00:41:25,684 [player click video] 623 00:41:25,717 --> 00:41:26,852 And it's like, 624 00:41:26,885 --> 00:41:28,587 "Why does he have to speak to Speedie, 625 00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:32,090 JT Assistant, about his plan for 'Sarah.' " 626 00:41:32,123 --> 00:41:35,260 And Speedie is on Gus's face. 627 00:41:35,293 --> 00:41:37,128 [British Accent] Oh, Gus, God, you know 628 00:41:37,162 --> 00:41:41,767 "My Own Private Idaho" very good. 629 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,570 River Phoenix, oh, my God, what is he like? 630 00:41:44,603 --> 00:41:47,873 Oy, Gus, damn barnyard accident - 631 00:41:49,775 --> 00:41:52,110 How is this? do you do that, buddy? 632 00:41:52,143 --> 00:41:55,280 [Normal sound] Speedie must overcompensate 633 00:41:55,313 --> 00:42:00,151 with this kind of entertainment, fat girl persona. 634 00:42:01,286 --> 00:42:05,056 And I really feel very bad about myself. 635 00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:07,292 I'm big. 636 00:42:07,325 --> 00:42:12,130 I feel very embarrassed about my body. 637 00:42:12,163 --> 00:42:18,103 that it really empowers so Speedie takes over. 638 00:42:20,305 --> 00:42:22,808 We are outside the restaurant with Gus Van Sant, 639 00:42:22,841 --> 00:42:25,611 and we just hang out 640 00:42:25,644 --> 00:42:30,882 and JT and Mike Pitt are smoking. 641 00:42:30,916 --> 00:42:35,220 And, the next thing I know, they kiss. 642 00:43:02,347 --> 00:43:03,348 [player click video] 643 00:43:03,381 --> 00:43:04,783 Be "Sarah" like 644 00:43:04,816 --> 00:43:07,152 a message in a bottle to the world. 645 00:43:07,185 --> 00:43:13,659 And suddenly another artist wants that connection. 646 00:43:13,692 --> 00:43:17,729 * Give yourself away 647 00:43:17,763 --> 00:43:21,099 * And you give yourself away 648 00:43:21,132 --> 00:43:24,069 We were given VIP tickets, we went backstage, 649 00:43:24,102 --> 00:43:26,872 and we go to intimate after the party. 650 00:43:26,905 --> 00:43:28,339 The Edge is there, 651 00:43:28,373 --> 00:43:33,111 and I watch Bono call JT. 652 00:43:33,144 --> 00:43:35,246 And I know what will happen. 653 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,817 That happens for all artists 654 00:43:38,850 --> 00:43:41,052 when they arrived. 655 00:43:41,086 --> 00:43:46,324 This is their admiration for what will happen next. 656 00:43:46,357 --> 00:43:49,795 That is to help deliver them through the portal. 657 00:43:49,828 --> 00:43:53,231 You have Bono talks. 658 00:43:53,264 --> 00:43:54,332 [Dings] 659 00:43:54,365 --> 00:43:58,236 * Magic and destiny rotation * 660 00:43:58,269 --> 00:44:01,673 Albert: So I saw Bono curled closer 661 00:44:01,707 --> 00:44:03,742 with his arms around JT, 662 00:44:03,775 --> 00:44:05,243 and if you don't know better, 663 00:44:05,276 --> 00:44:09,314 You will think they are father and son. 664 00:44:09,347 --> 00:44:14,152 And Bono was very loving gave him industry advice. 665 00:44:14,185 --> 00:44:17,856 "Be careful with sharks, Be yourself, 666 00:44:17,889 --> 00:44:20,926 and never forget where you came from." 667 00:44:22,293 --> 00:44:24,996 While JT is getting Bono talks, 668 00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:27,866 Speedie is getting closer the manager is talking. 669 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,871 Paul McGuinness, U2 manager, comes to Speedie 670 00:44:32,904 --> 00:44:34,172 and he said, 671 00:44:34,205 --> 00:44:37,375 "Hey, do you see what my daughter is doing for you? 672 00:44:37,408 --> 00:44:39,377 [As a Speedie] Ah, what happened? Your son did it for me?" [Normal Voice] And he whipped out Rolling Stone magazine. 673 00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:43,715 674 00:44:43,749 --> 00:44:45,183 And that's it. 675 00:44:45,216 --> 00:44:48,319 "Bono says, 'That heart Dec Deceitful Above All Things' 676 00:44:48,353 --> 00:44:50,756 [As Bono] blows my mind. 677 00:44:50,789 --> 00:44:53,158 ** 678 00:44:53,191 --> 00:44:56,394 [Applause and applause] 679 00:45:07,906 --> 00:45:10,375 I am 16 years 17. 680 00:45:10,408 --> 00:45:14,179 And I am committed again for the second time. 681 00:45:14,212 --> 00:45:16,948 And the social worker is very clear 682 00:45:16,982 --> 00:45:20,051 that I must really not go home. 683 00:45:20,085 --> 00:45:22,053 So my parents give up, 684 00:45:22,087 --> 00:45:24,756 and I become state ward. 685 00:45:25,991 --> 00:45:28,126 And I finally in a friendly home, 686 00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:31,329 group house, run by Jewish childcare agency. 687 00:45:33,031 --> 00:45:36,201 One day I saw this beautiful skinhead, 688 00:45:36,234 --> 00:45:39,370 depends outside the New Yorker theater film, 689 00:45:39,404 --> 00:45:46,077 and he has braces and Doc Martens cow-blood. 690 00:45:46,111 --> 00:45:48,513 We just saw The Who, "Quadrophenia," 691 00:45:48,546 --> 00:45:51,282 and I think, "How do I approach it?" 692 00:45:51,316 --> 00:45:53,351 and I decided to use it a British accent, 693 00:45:53,384 --> 00:45:56,121 because I don't know anything will be more unbearable 694 00:45:56,154 --> 00:45:59,057 to a British-style skinhead. 695 00:45:59,090 --> 00:46:02,994 And we fall in love. 696 00:46:04,362 --> 00:46:06,097 I will take it to the group's house, 697 00:46:06,131 --> 00:46:07,799 and all girls will know I am English. 698 00:46:07,833 --> 00:46:09,968 [British accent] Hello, this is my boyfriend. 699 00:46:10,001 --> 00:46:11,169 This is Mick. 700 00:46:11,202 --> 00:46:12,804 Yes, so, uh, he will, like, 701 00:46:12,838 --> 00:46:14,239 join us for dinner. 702 00:46:14,272 --> 00:46:16,507 [Laughter] He is like, you know, "What's funny? 703 00:46:16,541 --> 00:46:18,076 Are they laughing at me?" 704 00:46:18,109 --> 00:46:19,244 Oh no, no, no, they are only - 705 00:46:19,277 --> 00:46:20,912 they don't have a skinhead ends. 706 00:46:20,946 --> 00:46:23,081 They just think it's funny. 707 00:46:23,114 --> 00:46:25,016 [Normal voice] Maybe it's about four months 708 00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:26,317 going out with each other 709 00:46:26,351 --> 00:46:29,154 before he knows that I am not English. 710 00:46:37,896 --> 00:46:41,099 [Heart monitor sounds] 711 00:46:45,003 --> 00:46:46,437 [player click video] 712 00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:13,865 [player click video] 713 00:47:13,899 --> 00:47:17,302 Albert: Suddenly, JT is the person who entered 714 00:47:17,335 --> 00:47:19,104 for the fashion world. 715 00:47:20,939 --> 00:47:26,912 And makes JT an icon for 716 00:47:26,945 --> 00:47:30,381 mode sensibility very, very real. 717 00:47:33,351 --> 00:47:35,453 Because of that right at that time 718 00:47:35,486 --> 00:47:40,458 where I started to be able to dress myself 719 00:47:40,491 --> 00:47:44,129 not just dressing avatars. 720 00:47:46,597 --> 00:47:47,865 [player click video] 721 00:48:15,426 --> 00:48:16,594 [player click video] 722 00:48:16,627 --> 00:48:18,096 Italians like JT. 723 00:48:18,129 --> 00:48:20,231 The books are number one and number two 724 00:48:20,265 --> 00:48:22,167 on the best-selling list. 725 00:48:25,003 --> 00:48:29,374 Being an Italian publisher, Fazi, brings JT and Speedie 726 00:48:29,407 --> 00:48:32,643 to Italy to read. 727 00:48:32,677 --> 00:48:36,982 Asia Argento used to be this big Italian star. 728 00:48:37,015 --> 00:48:39,384 We have seen the film "xXx." 729 00:48:39,417 --> 00:48:42,220 He plays, like, a Russian action star. 730 00:48:42,253 --> 00:48:43,521 [Gunfire] 731 00:48:43,554 --> 00:48:46,024 Weapon. There are more weapons here behind. 732 00:48:46,057 --> 00:48:47,993 ** 733 00:48:48,026 --> 00:48:52,097 Laura Albert: His father is Dario Argento, master of horror. 734 00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:53,664 -Aah! -Aah! 735 00:48:53,698 --> 00:48:56,134 Aah! -No, no, no! 736 00:48:56,167 --> 00:48:57,435 No! [panting] 737 00:48:57,468 --> 00:49:00,171 Laura Albert: And Asia have got the books. 738 00:49:00,205 --> 00:49:01,572 [player click video] 739 00:49:21,759 --> 00:49:23,094 [player click video] 740 00:49:23,128 --> 00:49:26,164 And he hopes to convince JT 741 00:49:26,197 --> 00:49:28,266 to give him rights. 742 00:49:28,299 --> 00:49:30,701 And we meet Asia. 743 00:49:30,735 --> 00:49:34,639 Like Speedie, I go to him, and I say, 744 00:49:34,672 --> 00:49:36,707 [British Accent] "Oh, this is very happy to meet you, 745 00:49:36,741 --> 00:49:38,376 God, you are very beautiful. 746 00:49:38,409 --> 00:49:41,646 You look like Drew Barrymore young." 747 00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:45,450 [Normal Voice] So Italian publishers are very excited, 748 00:49:45,483 --> 00:49:48,553 because there are this great literary event, 749 00:49:48,586 --> 00:49:54,225 and somehow, they pressed JT to the bill. 750 00:49:54,259 --> 00:49:55,526 So when we get there, 751 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,197 there are fans waiting for us to arrive. 752 00:49:59,230 --> 00:50:01,266 And, Savannah is starting to get nervous, 753 00:50:01,299 --> 00:50:04,369 because he hasn't finished yet read beforehand. 754 00:50:04,402 --> 00:50:07,705 So, he entered the port toilet, and he vomited. 755 00:50:07,738 --> 00:50:09,440 [Women vomit] 756 00:50:09,474 --> 00:50:11,176 It's time for him to continue. 757 00:50:11,209 --> 00:50:16,047 And our host presents JT LeRoy, best-selling author, 758 00:50:16,081 --> 00:50:17,115 to Milan. 759 00:50:18,083 --> 00:50:21,186 And I really want to protect the anonymity. 760 00:50:21,219 --> 00:50:25,156 He wears sunglasses and an visor. 761 00:50:26,191 --> 00:50:29,494 He was very scared, his body was trembling, 762 00:50:29,527 --> 00:50:33,364 so I thought, "What will Warhol do?" 763 00:50:33,398 --> 00:50:36,234 I told him under the table. 764 00:50:36,267 --> 00:50:37,635 Damn them. 765 00:50:38,669 --> 00:50:39,670 And he did it. 766 00:50:39,704 --> 00:50:43,708 He takes the microphone and walks under the table. 767 00:50:43,741 --> 00:50:45,376 and he is reading, 768 00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:48,079 and you almost can't hear his voice. 769 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:50,615 LeRoy: [Speaking unclear] 770 00:50:50,648 --> 00:50:53,251 I look at his oversized hand 771 00:50:53,284 --> 00:50:55,320 when they hold the stairs tightly, 772 00:50:55,353 --> 00:50:58,323 just as I see it Hold one of the girls' wrists when he dragged it to another room... 773 00:50:58,356 --> 00:51:00,525 And after that, there is silence. 774 00:51:00,558 --> 00:51:03,794 And then there are these big waves of applause. 775 00:51:04,795 --> 00:51:08,433 [Applause] 776 00:51:08,466 --> 00:51:11,402 And he suddenly realized that he was in the stadium, 777 00:51:11,436 --> 00:51:15,806 and it's crowded. 778 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,442 And he jumped. 779 00:51:17,908 --> 00:51:19,544 And he turned around, 780 00:51:19,577 --> 00:51:22,313 and go face first to the microphone. 781 00:51:22,347 --> 00:51:26,217 and you only hear from the entire audience gasp, 782 00:51:26,251 --> 00:51:31,156 then they go, "Ohh", 783 00:51:31,189 --> 00:51:33,558 and they like it... 784 00:51:33,591 --> 00:51:36,194 785 00:51:36,227 --> 00:51:38,229 [Applause and applause] 786 00:51:38,263 --> 00:51:39,864 ... and he ran away. 787 00:51:41,466 --> 00:51:44,101 And that's perfect. 788 00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:46,604 That's perfect. 789 00:51:48,539 --> 00:51:56,447 So JT and Asia soon, JT just fell in love. 790 00:51:56,481 --> 00:52:00,718 Asia sweeps JT from his leg. 791 00:52:00,751 --> 00:52:03,521 And I am tied to his leg. 792 00:52:03,554 --> 00:52:06,491 I am the tail of a kite that is coming. 793 00:52:06,524 --> 00:52:08,859 This is June, this is Rome, 794 00:52:08,893 --> 00:52:11,562 I watch JT go with Asia. 795 00:52:11,596 --> 00:52:14,732 It was made very clear that I was on the road. 796 00:52:14,765 --> 00:52:19,204 That's kind of like, "Speedie, go home." 797 00:52:19,237 --> 00:52:21,839 I feel very lonely, 798 00:52:21,872 --> 00:52:24,875 because my Barbie doll has come back to life, 799 00:52:24,909 --> 00:52:26,911 and there must be those feelings 800 00:52:26,944 --> 00:52:29,514 they won't mind kill me. 801 00:52:31,216 --> 00:52:33,751 JT back to the hotel where we are 802 00:52:33,784 --> 00:52:36,287 with lipstick his whole face, 803 00:52:36,321 --> 00:52:38,155 smells like Asian perfume. 804 00:52:38,923 --> 00:52:42,760 And he is tall, and the wig is released. 805 00:52:42,793 --> 00:52:46,464 And he has something happens. 806 00:52:46,497 --> 00:52:49,667 ["La Donna e Mobile" by Giuseppe Verdi plays] 807 00:52:54,572 --> 00:52:56,774 And he is in cloud nine. 808 00:52:56,807 --> 00:52:59,644 And he doesn't do it want to talk to me. 809 00:52:59,677 --> 00:53:04,215 And all I have to remind you is that you are on the clock. 810 00:53:04,249 --> 00:53:05,383 You are on a dime. 811 00:53:05,416 --> 00:53:06,717 It's about movies. 812 00:53:06,751 --> 00:53:09,820 I have to know, because when we're on the phone, 813 00:53:09,854 --> 00:53:14,392 he might call me, not necessarily JT, 814 00:53:14,425 --> 00:53:16,461 and I have to match that. 815 00:53:16,494 --> 00:53:17,695 [player click video] 816 00:53:39,450 --> 00:53:40,918 [player click video] 817 00:53:40,951 --> 00:53:43,020 Laura Albert: Asia will get the book 818 00:53:43,053 --> 00:53:45,523 one way or another. 819 00:53:45,556 --> 00:53:51,496 He will do anything, anything that needs to be done, 820 00:53:51,529 --> 00:53:53,698 and I respect that, 821 00:53:53,731 --> 00:53:58,836 and I think, "Yes, you can make this film." 822 00:54:02,573 --> 00:54:06,444 So Gus and JT speak all the time, 823 00:54:06,477 --> 00:54:08,313 and they get along well 824 00:54:08,346 --> 00:54:11,382 that Gus agreed to do it shooting 825 00:54:11,416 --> 00:54:12,883 for Abercrombie and Fitch, 826 00:54:12,917 --> 00:54:17,622 where JT literally walks on water. 827 00:54:19,690 --> 00:54:22,026 The choice of Gus on "Sarah" has expired, 828 00:54:22,059 --> 00:54:26,764 but he has a project, that I love very much. 829 00:54:26,797 --> 00:54:29,900 It's based on Columbine... 830 00:54:29,934 --> 00:54:30,868 [Shots] 831 00:54:30,901 --> 00:54:35,072 ... and see children carrying weapons to schools, 832 00:54:35,105 --> 00:54:36,974 and kill everyone. 833 00:54:37,007 --> 00:54:39,076 [sound breaking] They, like, start exploding 834 00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:41,612 and shoot everyone in the cafeteria. 835 00:54:41,646 --> 00:54:42,947 And then you can hear them laugh. 836 00:54:42,980 --> 00:54:46,484 And, has been disturbed 837 00:54:46,517 --> 00:54:48,353 in the hallway my grammar school, 838 00:54:48,386 --> 00:54:53,891 I can't wait to go home and run away into my doll, 839 00:54:53,924 --> 00:54:57,362 because the school is only torture. 840 00:54:57,395 --> 00:55:00,765 I was constantly ridiculed and laughed 841 00:55:00,798 --> 00:55:03,300 and ridiculed because of my weight. 842 00:55:05,603 --> 00:55:07,004 My name is Laura Albert, 843 00:55:07,037 --> 00:55:11,409 my last name is Albert, and I'm fat. 844 00:55:11,442 --> 00:55:14,479 And when I enter school all children will scream... 845 00:55:14,512 --> 00:55:16,614 Man: Hey, hey, hey. 846 00:55:16,647 --> 00:55:18,649 This is Fat Albert. 847 00:55:18,683 --> 00:55:19,950 That - it's terrible. 848 00:55:19,984 --> 00:55:23,654 That only - never stops. 849 00:55:24,889 --> 00:55:28,125 So when Gus said, "I have this project," 850 00:55:28,158 --> 00:55:29,860 that's all he needs to say. 851 00:55:29,894 --> 00:55:33,531 That night, I just sat and wrote the first scene, 852 00:55:33,564 --> 00:55:35,966 which he finally uses. 853 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,003 It's a girl it's not interesting, 854 00:55:39,036 --> 00:55:40,705 he is overweight, 855 00:55:40,738 --> 00:55:42,540 he is in the library. 856 00:55:42,573 --> 00:55:44,141 And he was shot. 857 00:55:44,174 --> 00:55:45,410 Michelle: Hi, you guys - 858 00:55:45,443 --> 00:55:46,677 [Sound shot] 859 00:55:46,711 --> 00:55:48,446 [Gun cocks] 860 00:55:48,479 --> 00:55:51,482 I wrote the whole script, but the problem is, 861 00:55:51,516 --> 00:55:53,418 Gus has been through the portal. 862 00:55:53,451 --> 00:55:56,487 He was truly inspired by auteur Béla Tarr 863 00:55:56,521 --> 00:56:00,825 who will do this a very long tracking shot, 864 00:56:00,858 --> 00:56:04,662 and he is also very interested improvised. 865 00:56:04,695 --> 00:56:05,963 Hey, what are you doing? 866 00:56:05,996 --> 00:56:07,698 Exit. Do not come back. 867 00:56:07,732 --> 00:56:08,899 [player click video] 868 00:56:28,619 --> 00:56:29,854 [player click video] 869 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:03,954 In my dream, 870 00:57:03,988 --> 00:57:07,057 I am a rock star, and I am Miss America, 871 00:57:07,091 --> 00:57:10,027 and I am a tap dancer, and you know. 872 00:57:10,060 --> 00:57:13,030 There are many things I want to do it, 873 00:57:13,063 --> 00:57:17,468 but I think I - I am more interested in - 874 00:57:17,502 --> 00:57:22,507 I mean music even more than literature. 875 00:57:22,540 --> 00:57:24,509 This is a faster impact 876 00:57:24,542 --> 00:57:28,178 from, um, an artist passes someone 877 00:57:28,212 --> 00:57:29,914 and share their vision. 878 00:57:29,947 --> 00:57:33,784 When the name becomes JT LeRoy 879 00:57:33,818 --> 00:57:35,786 and "Sarah" published, 880 00:57:35,820 --> 00:57:40,190 I have felt anxious about the way the Terminator 881 00:57:40,224 --> 00:57:42,793 managing his career. 882 00:57:42,827 --> 00:57:48,499 I want to keep it presence of pure literature. 883 00:57:48,533 --> 00:57:49,600 and more, 884 00:57:49,634 --> 00:57:51,201 I hear this celebrity 885 00:57:51,235 --> 00:57:52,837 added to the mixture. 886 00:57:55,540 --> 00:57:59,243 Ira Silverberg: That's the door of a celebrity spinning, 887 00:57:59,276 --> 00:58:01,712 are both marginal and real. 888 00:58:03,881 --> 00:58:07,117 My fear is JT LeRoy won't be taken seriously 889 00:58:07,151 --> 00:58:10,988 if the only one there is is a celebrity veneer. 890 00:58:12,322 --> 00:58:14,892 I pulled JT aside and said, 891 00:58:14,925 --> 00:58:16,894 "It's time to go back to writing." 892 00:58:16,927 --> 00:58:18,629 It's time to be a writer again. 893 00:58:18,663 --> 00:58:21,198 That's all you have. 894 00:58:21,231 --> 00:58:23,768 Gianopaolos: I am worried that he is too interested in 895 00:58:23,801 --> 00:58:26,103 to the world of art, world of cinema, world of fashion, 896 00:58:26,136 --> 00:58:28,606 especially as the book starts to run well, 897 00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:31,642 and he is interested in in more than the world of music. 898 00:58:31,676 --> 00:58:32,743 LeRoy: This is about me. 899 00:58:32,777 --> 00:58:35,012 Oh, it's about the story. 900 00:58:35,045 --> 00:58:38,015 Gianopaolos: I remember this extraordinary amount of time 901 00:58:38,048 --> 00:58:41,819 which JT spent writing lyrics for this band. 902 00:58:43,621 --> 00:58:44,789 Okay, we are Thistle. 903 00:58:44,822 --> 00:58:48,225 ** 904 00:59:21,726 --> 00:59:26,997 I fell in love with Geoff because he was a musician who was born. 905 00:59:27,998 --> 00:59:32,269 The dream, the goal is always to be a rock star. 906 00:59:33,337 --> 00:59:36,206 And I really want it to be a singer. 907 00:59:37,141 --> 00:59:41,345 And we work together all the time in our music. 908 00:59:41,946 --> 00:59:43,981 I will write melody and lyrics, 909 00:59:44,014 --> 00:59:46,917 and he will combine it. 910 00:59:46,951 --> 00:59:50,154 And I like what he gets, 911 00:59:50,187 --> 00:59:54,158 so we start a relationship. 912 00:59:56,293 --> 00:59:58,796 And now, even though Geoff and I 913 00:59:58,829 --> 01:00:01,065 still creating music together, 914 01:00:01,098 --> 01:00:04,234 it feels like that I move more towards 915 01:00:04,268 --> 01:00:09,139 living with his sister instead of living with him. 916 01:00:09,173 --> 01:00:13,143 And I really want maintain our connection 917 01:00:13,177 --> 01:00:15,946 and his dreams and dreams live. 918 01:00:15,980 --> 01:00:18,849 So we started sending music out, 919 01:00:18,883 --> 01:00:20,918 and of course, who wrote the lyrics? 920 01:00:20,951 --> 01:00:22,319 JT LeRoy. 921 01:00:22,352 --> 01:00:25,122 Who wrote the melody? JT LeRoy. 922 01:00:25,155 --> 01:00:27,357 Who sang it? Speedie. 923 01:00:27,858 --> 01:00:29,159 [Video player clicks] 924 01:00:57,354 --> 01:01:00,725 And Speedie really changes to a new character . 925 01:01:00,758 --> 01:01:06,130 Instead of being a JT handler, fat, hide in the background, 926 01:01:06,163 --> 01:01:10,835 now I'm Emily Easier, vocalist of Thistle, 927 01:01:10,868 --> 01:01:13,904 and we appeared all JT readings. 928 01:01:14,271 --> 01:01:15,940 [Conversation unclear] 929 01:01:15,973 --> 01:01:17,174 [Guitar chords playing] 930 01:01:30,354 --> 01:01:34,124 ** 931 01:01:34,158 --> 01:01:36,060 Albert: I was singing on stage - 932 01:01:36,093 --> 01:01:39,730 me, Speedie, now Emily Frasier. 933 01:01:39,764 --> 01:01:43,868 And next to me playing guitar, is Geoff, my partner, 934 01:01:43,901 --> 01:01:49,306 Brother Savannah, Astor - The former Terminator lover. 935 01:01:49,339 --> 01:01:52,076 And then, dancing in front of us in the audience 936 01:01:52,109 --> 01:01:55,312 is Savannah, my son's aunt - JT LeRoy. 937 01:01:55,345 --> 01:01:58,248 So the level doesn't make sense. 938 01:02:01,185 --> 01:02:02,452 [player click video] 939 01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:17,234 [player click video] 940 01:02:17,267 --> 01:02:18,769 [Conversation unclear] 941 01:02:18,803 --> 01:02:21,471 ** 942 01:02:21,505 --> 01:02:24,809 Albert: For the release JT Leroy's third book, 943 01:02:24,842 --> 01:02:26,143 "Harold's End," 944 01:02:26,176 --> 01:02:29,113 Deitch Gallery organizes a large event. 945 01:02:31,381 --> 01:02:35,119 Lou Reed is on stage, brings Natoma Street to life. 946 01:02:35,152 --> 01:02:37,521 He crossed his legs. 947 01:02:37,554 --> 01:02:39,156 "18," I said. 948 01:02:39,189 --> 01:02:44,061 Albert: And everyone tries to have a moment with JT. 949 01:02:44,094 --> 01:02:46,030 I go to the balcony, 950 01:02:46,063 --> 01:02:49,166 and I look down crowd. 951 01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:51,135 And I see my father. 952 01:02:51,168 --> 01:02:52,970 I invited him. 953 01:02:53,003 --> 01:02:55,239 And he just laughed. 954 01:02:56,907 --> 01:02:59,877 And that is a moment of pride. 955 01:03:00,244 --> 01:03:02,379 He saw me hospitalized. 956 01:03:02,412 --> 01:03:06,116 He must sign it the right of self as a parent. 957 01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:09,887 And this feels like a very good gift. 958 01:03:10,387 --> 01:03:13,824 He can't tell anyone, but he knows. 959 01:03:14,859 --> 01:03:15,993 And that's the most important thing. 960 01:03:16,026 --> 01:03:19,196 ** 961 01:03:21,298 --> 01:03:25,135 LeRoy: I showed it enough to make them interested 962 01:03:25,169 --> 01:03:28,873 who is this mysterious girl can be. 963 01:03:28,906 --> 01:03:30,374 [Catcall] 964 01:03:30,407 --> 01:03:34,278 I convince myself I am a comic book hero... 965 01:03:34,311 --> 01:03:35,913 [Zoom! ] 966 01:03:35,946 --> 01:03:38,849 ... hiding in the shadows. 967 01:03:38,883 --> 01:03:41,085 I want to say something, 968 01:03:41,118 --> 01:03:44,254 something that will happen explains everything. 969 01:03:44,288 --> 01:03:47,858 But my eyes are still bowed. 970 01:03:49,593 --> 01:03:51,461 [Solve pumpkin ' "Disarm" plays] * Cancel you with a smile 971 01:03:51,495 --> 01:03:55,365 * And cutting you like you want me to * 972 01:03:55,399 --> 01:03:59,136 * Cut the little boy 973 01:03:59,169 --> 01:04:01,872 Albert: I really love Smashing Pumpkins and no male artist at that time was talking about child abuse. 974 01:04:01,906 --> 01:04:04,008 So I really hope someday 975 01:04:04,041 --> 01:04:08,112 that JT will have a chance 976 01:04:08,145 --> 01:04:10,314 to talk to Billy. 977 01:04:10,347 --> 01:04:13,450 [Video player clicks] 978 01:04:13,483 --> 01:04:14,318 979 01:04:14,351 --> 01:04:15,886 980 01:04:39,076 --> 01:04:43,047 So later that night, I have a show - Spaceland. 981 01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,182 We get there, and the door people say, "Where is JT?" 982 01:04:45,215 --> 01:04:48,953 And I said, "Oh, you know, he's already there. I have this red hair, and I have lost weight, 983 01:04:48,986 --> 01:04:51,121 and I feel maybe even a little pretty. 984 01:04:51,155 --> 01:04:53,257 ** 985 01:04:53,290 --> 01:04:56,961 And that's amazing. 986 01:04:56,994 --> 01:05:00,998 I am really in front at this small little club. 987 01:05:01,031 --> 01:05:05,269 ** 988 01:05:05,302 --> 01:05:07,437 And that - it feels he - he looks at me. 989 01:05:07,471 --> 01:05:10,607 ** 990 01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,677 991 01:05:15,712 --> 01:05:20,150 992 01:05:20,184 --> 01:05:23,153 993 01:05:23,187 --> 01:05:25,255 [Applause and applause] 994 01:05:25,289 --> 01:05:28,125 So after the show, we go backstage, 995 01:05:28,158 --> 01:05:29,459 and I'm very nervous. 996 01:05:29,493 --> 01:05:31,395 Billy sits there behind, 997 01:05:31,428 --> 01:05:33,197 and he asked me, where is JT? 998 01:05:33,597 --> 01:05:37,534 And I explained, "I am Speedie. Hi greetings." 999 01:05:37,567 --> 01:05:41,005 JT, he's really... [Imitating vomit] 1000 01:05:41,038 --> 01:05:43,407 You know, he ran away, sorry. " 1001 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,076 And we just started talking, 1002 01:05:46,110 --> 01:05:48,545 and we are connected in a way 1003 01:05:48,578 --> 01:05:54,151 that... the language is not even capturing. 1004 01:05:54,184 --> 01:06:01,058 And I take if I can tell him anything... 1005 01:06:01,691 --> 01:06:05,329 ... and I realized everything had moved me 1006 01:06:05,362 --> 01:06:07,464 until then. 1007 01:06:08,565 --> 01:06:11,235 And he motioned for me to sit next to him, 1008 01:06:11,268 --> 01:06:15,739 and you almost can't hear each other, 1009 01:06:15,772 --> 01:06:20,410 but I turned to him and to his ear, I said... 1010 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,249 I remember this feeling. 1011 01:06:25,282 --> 01:06:26,783 It feels like I'm Tarzan, 1012 01:06:26,816 --> 01:06:29,719 and I just reach hold the vine, 1013 01:06:29,753 --> 01:06:33,323 and I'm swinging above the abyss, 1014 01:06:33,357 --> 01:06:36,726 and I know, "I will release it." 1015 01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,328 [Cries of Tarzan] 1016 01:06:38,362 --> 01:06:44,234 Albert: And I said to him, "JT is an accident." 1017 01:06:46,436 --> 01:06:49,606 And he said, "I understand What are you saying. 1018 01:06:49,639 --> 01:06:53,043 I do not get all the details, but I understand. " 1019 01:06:53,077 --> 01:06:54,211 And the rest of the night, 1020 01:06:54,244 --> 01:06:55,612 we only talk about . Details. That is the most liberating, extraordinary feeling, 1021 01:06:55,645 --> 01:07:02,786 and we continue together and Billy are the heroes too. 1022 01:07:02,819 --> 01:07:06,022 and I was in Billy's room. 1023 01:07:06,690 --> 01:07:11,828 And that's amazing lie with my ears on his chest 1024 01:07:11,861 --> 01:07:13,263 when he plays and sings. 1025 01:07:37,887 --> 01:07:39,389 1026 01:07:39,423 --> 01:07:41,091 1027 01:07:41,125 --> 01:07:44,628 1028 01:07:44,661 --> 01:07:47,564 1029 01:07:47,597 --> 01:07:52,169 1030 01:07:52,202 --> 01:07:55,239 1031 01:07:55,272 --> 01:08:01,278 I come alive in all things different levels. 1032 01:08:01,311 --> 01:08:02,479 [Camera shutter clicks] And finally, 1033 01:08:02,512 --> 01:08:04,481 I don't know what hour morning, 1034 01:08:04,514 --> 01:08:05,715 Geoff knocked on the door. 1035 01:08:05,749 --> 01:08:07,317 [Knock] 1036 01:08:07,351 --> 01:08:08,585 [Camera shutter clicks] [Door opens] 1037 01:08:08,618 --> 01:08:11,888 And he said, "I'm here for my wife." 1038 01:08:11,921 --> 01:08:13,390 [Door closed] 1039 01:08:13,423 --> 01:08:17,127 But who is really unhappy is JT LeRoy. 1040 01:08:17,161 --> 01:08:20,697 JT is very upset and he feels like, "Oh, great. 1041 01:08:20,730 --> 01:08:24,268 Laura will steal it away." 1042 01:08:24,301 --> 01:08:25,802 I surrender myself to Billy 1043 01:08:25,835 --> 01:08:29,506 but that doesn't mean their relationship ends. 1044 01:08:29,539 --> 01:08:30,540 [Camera shutter clicks] 1045 01:08:30,574 --> 01:08:34,711 So I told him JT was not happy. 1046 01:08:34,744 --> 01:08:39,349 [Camera shutter clicks] JT still wants an relationship with you. 1047 01:08:39,383 --> 01:08:41,518 And this is something I've never done it before. 1048 01:08:41,551 --> 01:08:44,788 [Camera shutter clicks] While I'm there with Billy, 1049 01:08:44,821 --> 01:08:47,657 physically with him, 1050 01:08:47,691 --> 01:08:52,629 JT in my body, talk to him. 1051 01:08:56,900 --> 01:09:02,306 Now you will leave me 1052 01:09:02,339 --> 01:09:05,442 and I don't want you to leave me. 1053 01:09:07,411 --> 01:09:13,383 [Camera shutter clicks] And Billy assured him that was not true. 1054 01:09:13,417 --> 01:09:14,584 [Camera shutter clicks] 1055 01:09:14,618 --> 01:09:18,255 That he can be there for me, 1056 01:09:18,288 --> 01:09:20,857 he can be there for JT, 1057 01:09:20,890 --> 01:09:24,794 and for others who come through this body. 1058 01:09:28,465 --> 01:09:32,836 So "The Heart Is Deceitful" is being created by Asia Argento. 1059 01:09:32,869 --> 01:09:33,937 This is a journey. 1060 01:09:33,970 --> 01:09:36,306 So we fly to Knoxville. 1061 01:09:36,340 --> 01:09:37,907 [Airplane whirs] 1062 01:09:37,941 --> 01:09:40,444 And we drive to the set, 1063 01:09:40,477 --> 01:09:42,912 and that is the actual truck stop 1064 01:09:42,946 --> 01:09:48,552 and I have never been at the truck stop that actually works. 1065 01:09:48,585 --> 01:09:51,455 And I walk down the long corridor, 1066 01:09:51,488 --> 01:09:54,858 and all sleeping trucks are on the side 1067 01:09:54,891 --> 01:09:57,794 and that's really perfect picture. 1068 01:09:57,827 --> 01:10:03,533 They want to make every part the correct book for life. 1069 01:10:03,567 --> 01:10:06,002 And they are shooting one of my favorite scenes, 1070 01:10:06,035 --> 01:10:11,808 that is a lizard, where Asia is playing Sarah, Jeremy's mother, 1071 01:10:11,841 --> 01:10:15,612 and he will go change some tricks. 1072 01:10:15,645 --> 01:10:18,782 So I joined the set and no one knew I was there. 1073 01:10:18,815 --> 01:10:21,351 And I watch on the monitor, 1074 01:10:21,385 --> 01:10:23,387 and Asian, this Italian actress, 1075 01:10:23,420 --> 01:10:27,357 is playing the West Virginian the truck stops prostitution. 1076 01:10:27,391 --> 01:10:29,826 And somehow it works. 1077 01:10:29,859 --> 01:10:32,629 It's like a mirror in a mirror in a mirror 1078 01:10:32,662 --> 01:10:36,300 because everything was created from my dream, 1079 01:10:36,333 --> 01:10:38,635 which is based on reality. 1080 01:10:38,668 --> 01:10:41,605 Which is based on dreams. 1081 01:10:43,473 --> 01:10:46,710 -And cut it. -Cut. 1082 01:10:46,743 --> 01:10:50,314 Laura Albert: And everyone is waiting to see it what will happen 1083 01:10:50,347 --> 01:10:54,017 when JT sees his world. 1084 01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:55,852 And I feel it too. 1085 01:10:55,885 --> 01:11:00,490 And I watch JT take everything. 1086 01:11:00,524 --> 01:11:03,593 And I like, "It's pretty good right? 1087 01:11:03,627 --> 01:11:05,562 They kind of get it?" 1088 01:11:05,595 --> 01:11:10,300 And JT like, "Wow. 1089 01:11:10,334 --> 01:11:14,904 You guys really made it real." 1090 01:11:19,075 --> 01:11:21,645 [player click video] 1091 01:12:36,853 --> 01:12:38,522 [Wolf whistle] 1092 01:12:38,555 --> 01:12:40,824 Astor: Hey, doll, how are you? 1093 01:12:48,598 --> 01:12:49,866 Speedie: More coffee, honey? 1094 01:13:41,150 --> 01:13:42,986 [player click video] 1095 01:14:17,687 --> 01:14:18,955 [player click video] 1096 01:14:18,988 --> 01:14:20,657 ** 1097 01:14:20,690 --> 01:14:23,993 [Airplane whirs] 1098 01:14:24,027 --> 01:14:25,929 Laura Albert: We arrived there at night 1099 01:14:25,962 --> 01:14:27,631 and get off to Cannes, 1100 01:14:27,664 --> 01:14:30,934 which for me like Miami. 1101 01:14:30,967 --> 01:14:33,703 We were introduced to for all these celebrities 1102 01:14:33,737 --> 01:14:38,207 and they know who JT is. 1103 01:14:38,241 --> 01:14:40,710 [player click video] 1104 01:15:01,264 --> 01:15:04,568 Laura Albert: They are experiencing this big press interview. 1105 01:15:04,601 --> 01:15:06,102 Reporter: Question for JT. 1106 01:15:06,135 --> 01:15:08,672 Laura Albert: They ask what it's like to be on the road, 1107 01:15:08,705 --> 01:15:09,839 to change the trick, 1108 01:15:09,873 --> 01:15:12,008 what is it like to dig a coal mine. 1109 01:15:14,911 --> 01:15:16,713 Reporter: Can you talk close to the microphone? 1110 01:15:16,746 --> 01:15:19,916 JT LeRoy: Yes. Laura Albert: No one can understand what he said. 1111 01:15:19,949 --> 01:15:22,251 It doesn't matter if they can't translate it, 1112 01:15:22,285 --> 01:15:23,587 they just stare. 1113 01:15:23,620 --> 01:15:26,089 [Applause] 1114 01:15:26,122 --> 01:15:29,325 Laura Albert: And I realize it's like Mark Twain "Prince and the Pauper." 1115 01:15:29,358 --> 01:15:31,060 I can try to prove that I really am a writer - 1116 01:15:31,094 --> 01:15:35,732 I am LeRoy, 1117 01:15:35,765 --> 01:15:37,867 real king - 1118 01:15:37,901 --> 01:15:41,771 and no one will believe me. 1119 01:15:41,805 --> 01:15:44,140 I was there see JT dress up, 1120 01:15:44,173 --> 01:15:49,178 and they will walk red carpet, 1121 01:15:49,212 --> 01:15:51,615 [Camera shutter click] and I'm a mile away. 1122 01:15:51,648 --> 01:15:54,283 1123 01:15:54,317 --> 01:15:57,754 I am not even permitted on the perimeter. 1124 01:15:57,787 --> 01:15:59,155 Man: We have to go. 1125 01:15:59,188 --> 01:16:04,160 If you see Speedie leaving, we wait too long. 1126 01:16:04,193 --> 01:16:06,329 Laura Albert: This is a big filter. 1127 01:16:06,362 --> 01:16:07,597 Everyone is at home. 1128 01:16:07,631 --> 01:16:09,098 We have Weinsteins. 1129 01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:15,872 Laura Albert: And it feels like that The whole world is watching. 1130 01:16:17,206 --> 01:16:20,176 Laura Albert: So, we go to the crowded Cannes cinema and each head changes, they have seen JT. 1131 01:16:20,209 --> 01:16:24,614 [Applause] 1132 01:16:24,648 --> 01:16:26,182 Laura Albert: I was sitting there and the crowd roared. 1133 01:16:28,752 --> 01:16:31,955 [Applause] 1134 01:16:37,927 --> 01:16:41,798 Laura Albert: So the lights are off, 1135 01:16:41,831 --> 01:16:43,700 1136 01:16:43,733 --> 01:16:45,669 curtains up, 1137 01:16:45,702 --> 01:16:48,171 and the movie starts. 1138 01:16:48,204 --> 01:16:51,975 There is a young Jimmy Bennet singing Sex Gun, 1139 01:16:52,008 --> 01:16:53,843 slam a Bible. 1140 01:17:06,089 --> 01:17:08,424 And then home explosion meth. 1141 01:17:08,457 --> 01:17:10,326 Buddy runs out of fire 1142 01:17:10,359 --> 01:17:12,762 when he chased after after Sarah and Jeremy 1143 01:17:12,796 --> 01:17:14,931 when they move away from him. 1144 01:17:18,234 --> 01:17:22,038 And the incredible scene where Asia, playing mother JT, 1145 01:17:22,071 --> 01:17:26,142 Accused outside Piggly Wiggly shoplifting, 1146 01:17:26,175 --> 01:17:28,111 and open the black rain coat 1147 01:17:28,144 --> 01:17:31,981 to reveal himself really naked naked. 1148 01:17:32,015 --> 01:17:33,382 Movie Clips: Want to check my vagina? 1149 01:17:33,416 --> 01:17:34,918 Movie Clips: No, I don't. Now leave [INAUDIBLE]. 1150 01:17:34,951 --> 01:17:36,185 Will he be okay? 1151 01:17:36,219 --> 01:17:38,121 Movie Clips: He is tired. He will be fine. 1152 01:17:38,154 --> 01:17:40,456 Laura Albert: And I'm sitting there, watching our movie, 1153 01:17:40,489 --> 01:17:43,059 waiting for our brilliant acting, 1154 01:17:43,092 --> 01:17:46,896 and everything is left on the cutting room floor. 1155 01:17:49,165 --> 01:17:54,804 And then, there is only this silence. 1156 01:17:54,838 --> 01:17:58,041 Unless JT is crying. 1157 01:17:58,074 --> 01:18:01,477 And I know I have to entertain JT. 1158 01:18:01,510 --> 01:18:03,913 [Applause] 1159 01:18:06,415 --> 01:18:09,418 Laura Albert: It's not a game, it's not a joke. 1160 01:18:09,452 --> 01:18:11,087 [Applause] 1161 01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:16,760 Laura Albert: We know that is the true life story of JT. 1162 01:18:16,793 --> 01:18:21,030 But we also know that as fiction. 1163 01:18:21,064 --> 01:18:24,333 [Applause] 1164 01:18:24,367 --> 01:18:28,037 ** 1165 01:18:28,071 --> 01:18:29,973 [Alternate page] 1166 01:18:32,241 --> 01:18:35,044 ** 1167 01:18:37,947 --> 01:18:41,785 Laura Albert: I'm watching this HBO program "Deadwood." 1168 01:18:41,818 --> 01:18:45,421 And this sound in my head keeps on going harder and harder. 1169 01:18:45,454 --> 01:18:46,923 Go to Deadwood. 1170 01:18:46,956 --> 01:18:49,859 Go to Deadwood. Go to Deadwood. 1171 01:18:49,893 --> 01:18:52,295 ** 1172 01:18:52,328 --> 01:18:55,364 So like JT, I call the magazine and I ask them 1173 01:18:55,398 --> 01:18:59,068 "Hey, can I cover 'Deadwood' for you? 1174 01:18:59,102 --> 01:19:02,538 And they say, alright JT, whatever you want. [Video click player] 1175 01:19:02,571 --> 01:19:04,107 [Beep] 1176 01:20:09,638 --> 01:20:11,274 [Video click player] 1177 01:20:41,204 --> 01:20:43,339 Laura Albert: I just felt possible fields 1178 01:20:43,372 --> 01:20:49,012 1179 01:20:49,045 --> 01:20:52,916 being inside myself as an artist 1180 01:20:52,949 --> 01:20:58,254 and having my own art suddenly materializes. 1181 01:21:00,456 --> 01:21:03,392 [Talk is unclear] 1182 01:21:03,426 --> 01:21:06,195 A great one things about group houses, 1183 01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:08,932 do they encourage us to study. 1184 01:21:08,965 --> 01:21:10,967 [School bell rings] 1185 01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:15,371 So I was accepted Eugene Lang Seminar College, 1186 01:21:15,404 --> 01:21:17,040 which is part of New School. 1187 01:21:17,073 --> 01:21:18,374 And I like it. 1188 01:21:18,407 --> 01:21:22,445 I take each class writing I can get my hand. 1189 01:21:22,478 --> 01:21:26,415 Even when I was little I wrote all the time. 1190 01:21:26,449 --> 01:21:28,417 The first time I was published 1191 01:21:28,451 --> 01:21:30,453 I am about seven years old, eight years old. 1192 01:21:30,486 --> 01:21:32,388 I have written stories for school 1193 01:21:32,421 --> 01:21:35,458 and it's called "The Flower It's Overnight Overnight." 1194 01:21:35,491 --> 01:21:39,328 And I use a male protagonist 1195 01:21:39,362 --> 01:21:42,031 and I am captivated, I am addicted. 1196 01:21:42,065 --> 01:21:44,333 That is the most amazing feel in the world. 1197 01:21:48,271 --> 01:21:50,139 In the class write this, 1198 01:21:50,173 --> 01:21:53,176 can know very good story, 1199 01:21:53,209 --> 01:21:56,345 I got the teacher's attention. 1200 01:21:59,315 --> 01:22:02,318 Laura Albert: I got class attention, 1201 01:22:02,351 --> 01:22:06,489 but I have a teacher writing and he is very strict 1202 01:22:06,522 --> 01:22:09,458 about girls who write as women and boys as boys. 1203 01:22:09,492 --> 01:22:12,628 And I told him, I have to write with a male voice, 1204 01:22:12,661 --> 01:22:15,398 but he won't let me. 1205 01:22:15,431 --> 01:22:17,333 And I submit this story 1206 01:22:17,366 --> 01:22:20,003 deal with some pretty hardcore abuse . 1207 01:22:20,036 --> 01:22:25,108 Physical violence, sexual abuse with female voices 1208 01:22:25,141 --> 01:22:28,677 and it kills me. 1209 01:22:28,711 --> 01:22:33,549 And I flipped, I was having a problem. 1210 01:22:33,582 --> 01:22:36,519 I don't want to have anything do by writing again. 1211 01:22:36,552 --> 01:22:38,121 I just don't want to do it. 1212 01:22:38,154 --> 01:22:39,955 I can't do it. 1213 01:22:42,458 --> 01:22:44,327 Man: Rolling! [Snap] 1214 01:22:49,398 --> 01:22:51,667 Laura Albert: I'm sitting outside the author's room 1215 01:22:51,700 --> 01:22:53,636 and I got a phone call from a reporter. 1216 01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:56,205 [Phone rings, click tape player] 1217 01:24:20,889 --> 01:24:22,191 [player click video] 1218 01:24:22,225 --> 01:24:25,128 Laura Albert: I feel scared. 1219 01:24:25,161 --> 01:24:29,232 Someone pulls it pretty hard on the curtain, 1220 01:24:29,265 --> 01:24:32,368 and I don't know how to turn it off. 1221 01:24:32,401 --> 01:24:35,771 [Beep, ring] So I called Geoff, and he told me... 1222 01:24:41,877 --> 01:24:43,279 Laura Albert: Like Pynchon? 1223 01:24:43,312 --> 01:24:44,680 Nobody knows who he is. 1224 01:24:44,713 --> 01:24:48,851 Like Salinger, he's out there, and now he's gone. 1225 01:24:48,884 --> 01:24:50,753 Just pull the plug. 1226 01:24:50,786 --> 01:24:54,123 That may be what sane person will do 1227 01:24:54,157 --> 01:24:57,260 if this is a sane situation. 1228 01:24:57,293 --> 01:24:59,362 But I can't do it. 1229 01:24:59,395 --> 01:25:03,466 I will tell him, I will only go forward. 1230 01:25:03,499 --> 01:25:05,734 [player click video] 1231 01:25:35,331 --> 01:25:37,333 [player click video] 1232 01:25:37,366 --> 01:25:43,239 Laura Albert: I was in San Francisco when New York Magazine article about. 1233 01:25:43,272 --> 01:25:45,208 Madeleine Brand [Radio]: It's Day to Day, I am a Madeleine brand. 1234 01:25:45,241 --> 01:25:46,742 The author of JT LeRoy has 1235 01:25:46,775 --> 01:25:49,278 it's literally a boy over the past decade 1236 01:25:49,312 --> 01:25:53,816 but, as it turns out, he may not be a him, and maybe not even there. 1237 01:25:53,849 --> 01:25:56,852 Here, with more about this the strange story is Stephen Beachy. 1238 01:25:56,885 --> 01:25:59,288 He recently wrote Who is Real JT LeRoy? 1239 01:25:59,322 --> 01:26:00,623 for New York Magazine 1240 01:26:00,656 --> 01:26:01,790 and Steven Beachy, welcome to the show. 1241 01:26:01,824 --> 01:26:03,626 Stephen Beachy: Thanks, Madeleine. 1242 01:26:03,659 --> 01:26:04,860 Madeleine Brand [Radio]: You do your own detective work, 1243 01:26:04,893 --> 01:26:06,262 and what do you find? 1244 01:26:06,295 --> 01:26:08,931 Stephen Beachy: It all starts this spring, when I hear a story 1245 01:26:08,964 --> 01:26:13,236 a woman named Laura Albert and a man named Geoff Knoop. 1246 01:26:13,269 --> 01:26:18,941 That they are actually behind all JT Leroy's tricks. 1247 01:26:25,814 --> 01:26:28,684 [Beep] 1248 01:26:56,579 --> 01:26:58,581 Laura Albert: After the article came out, 1249 01:26:58,614 --> 01:27:02,318 JT goes into full in violation mode. 1250 01:27:02,351 --> 01:27:06,389 He calls all those people intimate in the JT 1251 01:27:06,422 --> 01:27:09,292 circle and say this is nonsense. 1252 01:27:09,325 --> 01:27:10,559 This is deletion. 1253 01:27:10,593 --> 01:27:12,828 This is only revenge. 1254 01:27:12,861 --> 01:27:15,798 JT will do anything is needed to stay alive. 1255 01:27:15,831 --> 01:27:18,334 For him it's like Tinkerbell. 1256 01:27:18,367 --> 01:27:23,038 If you don't believe it, magic can't happen. 1257 01:27:23,071 --> 01:27:25,608 ** 1258 01:28:01,477 --> 01:28:03,846 Laura Albert: One day, I was sitting at my writing desk, 1259 01:28:03,879 --> 01:28:07,383 and suddenly, Geoff breaks in, white like a ghost, 1260 01:28:07,416 --> 01:28:11,487 and he told me, I just got it call from Warren St. John, 1261 01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:12,655 from the New York Times, 1262 01:28:12,688 --> 01:28:14,757 and he said he knew everything. 1263 01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:17,693 And they say what do you say to him? 1264 01:28:24,933 --> 01:28:26,702 Geoff Knoop: Friends and family 1265 01:28:26,735 --> 01:28:29,805 start receiving calls from the New York Times. 1266 01:28:53,729 --> 01:28:56,799 Messages deleted 1267 01:28:56,832 --> 01:28:59,868 Laura Albert: San Francisco is too hot. 1268 01:28:59,902 --> 01:29:03,739 So I returned to Deadwood. 1269 01:29:03,772 --> 01:29:07,843 I panic, because I see a cliff. 1270 01:29:07,876 --> 01:29:13,782 I see the land breaking below me. 1271 01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:40,375 [Phone rings] 1272 01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:46,849 [player click video] 1273 01:30:46,809 --> 01:30:48,143 [Phone slammed] 1274 01:30:48,176 --> 01:30:50,746 Laura Albert: I'm standing on the set with Billy 1275 01:30:50,779 --> 01:30:52,080 and my cellphone rings, 1276 01:30:52,114 --> 01:30:55,250 [Ringing] and it's Warren St. John, 1277 01:30:55,283 --> 01:30:59,988 He told me, I will get you for violating the Patriot Act, 1278 01:31:00,022 --> 01:31:04,192 and I definitely catch you on email fraud. 1279 01:31:04,226 --> 01:31:07,830 JT LeRoy: And as JT I begged him... 1280 01:31:11,099 --> 01:31:15,137 [Video clicks player] Laura Albert: And I know that the story will be destroyed. 1281 01:31:15,170 --> 01:31:20,576 There are big tornadoes it will hit. 1282 01:31:20,609 --> 01:31:21,844 [player click video] 1283 01:32:28,977 --> 01:32:30,212 [player click video] 1284 01:32:32,314 --> 01:32:34,750 News Clips: Mobile phones are said to be part of the ruse done by JT LeRoy, 1285 01:32:34,783 --> 01:32:36,752 a San Francisco-based cult novelist 1286 01:32:36,785 --> 01:32:38,721 1287 01:32:38,754 --> 01:32:41,657 who is not only accused of making a sad and gloomy past 1288 01:32:41,690 --> 01:32:42,958 he writes about, 1289 01:32:42,991 --> 01:32:45,327 but completely made up the person himself. 1290 01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,030 Just this week in the New York Times published proof 1291 01:32:48,063 --> 01:32:49,798 that person who writes as JT, 1292 01:32:49,832 --> 01:32:52,334 a 25 year old former prostitute and drug addict, 1293 01:32:52,367 --> 01:32:54,670 is actually a 40-year-old mother from Brooklyn. 1294 01:32:54,703 --> 01:32:57,773 And that's the person who made it public appearance as JT, 1295 01:32:57,806 --> 01:33:02,010 is the sister-in-law's sister in wigs and sunglasses. 1296 01:33:02,044 --> 01:33:03,712 Laura Albert: What the article has 1297 01:33:03,746 --> 01:33:08,050 is part of a jigsaw puzzle that has not been found before. 1298 01:33:08,083 --> 01:33:10,919 A photo from Savannah. 1299 01:33:10,953 --> 01:33:14,923 Without a wig, without a hat, there are no sunglasses. 1300 01:33:14,957 --> 01:33:20,195 That's all he, and it's a smoking gun. 1301 01:33:20,228 --> 01:33:22,397 I think... 1302 01:33:22,430 --> 01:33:26,268 shame like that 1303 01:33:26,301 --> 01:33:33,108 because JT really asked to go to her caring 1304 01:33:33,141 --> 01:33:37,379 and say that of course he is real and now... 1305 01:33:40,683 --> 01:33:43,819 ... they look stupid. 1306 01:33:43,852 --> 01:33:46,021 They look ridiculous. 1307 01:33:46,054 --> 01:33:48,290 They look like they have been fussed. 1308 01:33:48,323 --> 01:33:54,830 The media tells them that they are idiots. 1309 01:33:54,863 --> 01:33:58,667 How do I start? 1310 01:34:43,946 --> 01:34:45,247 [Beep] The message was deleted. 1311 01:34:58,260 --> 01:34:59,762 [Beep] [Bell rings] 1312 01:34:59,795 --> 01:35:01,429 Laura Albert: I have a reporter who rang my bell. 1313 01:35:01,463 --> 01:35:02,765 [Ring continues] 1314 01:35:02,798 --> 01:35:03,899 Savannah comes, 1315 01:35:03,932 --> 01:35:05,333 and we gather at home 1316 01:35:05,367 --> 01:35:08,436 and we try to find out how to bring it home. 1317 01:35:08,470 --> 01:35:10,105 [Door closed] 1318 01:35:21,850 --> 01:35:23,451 To exit the message - 1319 01:35:23,485 --> 01:35:25,353 Laura Albert: I went to David Milch, 1320 01:35:25,387 --> 01:35:30,225 and everything I can think of do I need him to save me. 1321 01:36:01,890 --> 01:36:03,225 [player click video] 1322 01:36:03,258 --> 01:36:05,961 Laura Albert: Because JT spends a lot of time 1323 01:36:05,994 --> 01:36:08,396 for years became his friend, 1324 01:36:08,430 --> 01:36:12,134 [Calling] I called Gus. 1325 01:36:39,594 --> 01:36:41,363 [player click video] 1326 01:36:41,396 --> 01:36:45,400 JT LeRoy: I heard them calling me with every name Satan. 1327 01:36:45,433 --> 01:36:47,870 But I'm not moving. 1328 01:36:47,903 --> 01:36:49,604 I remain hidden, and peek out 1329 01:36:49,637 --> 01:36:53,508 to see the mass bring their torches on. 1330 01:36:53,541 --> 01:36:56,011 Oh my God. 1331 01:36:56,044 --> 01:36:59,948 Oh my God! 1332 01:36:59,982 --> 01:37:01,549 [player click video] 1333 01:37:12,194 --> 01:37:13,428 [player click video] 1334 01:37:13,461 --> 01:37:15,230 Laura Albert: At the time of the disclosure, 1335 01:37:15,263 --> 01:37:18,366 I was accused of using AIDS to sell books. 1336 01:37:48,496 --> 01:37:51,333 Laura Albert: When Courtney Love finds out that I am JT 1337 01:37:51,366 --> 01:37:53,936 he said, "That's fantastic. 1338 01:37:53,969 --> 01:37:57,272 I'll take you to Oprah Winfrey and you will cry. 1339 01:37:57,305 --> 01:38:00,875 America likes redemption. " 1340 01:38:21,063 --> 01:38:24,566 Laura Albert: I spoke to Billy and he said to me, 1341 01:38:24,599 --> 01:38:27,402 " You can't stand in a tsunami. " 1342 01:38:39,681 --> 01:38:42,150 [Beep] 1343 01:38:56,198 --> 01:38:57,532 [Player click video] 1344 01:38:57,565 --> 01:39:00,302 Savannah and I are determined do not damage rankings. 1345 01:39:00,335 --> 01:39:02,470 We do not go to the media, 1346 01:39:02,504 --> 01:39:04,539 we cover your mouth. 1347 01:39:04,572 --> 01:39:07,509 Even with photos -self photos out there, 1348 01:39:07,542 --> 01:39:11,279 they still can't really prove it. 1349 01:39:11,313 --> 01:39:13,181 But Geoff, [Camera shutter clicks] 1350 01:39:13,215 --> 01:39:14,616 Brother Savannah, 1351 01:39:14,649 --> 01:39:19,621 my partner is almost 18 years old, he destroy rank. 1352 01:39:42,277 --> 01:39:46,181 [Video clicks player] Laura Albert: Jeff goes to the New York Times. 1353 01:39:46,214 --> 01:39:48,450 He raises the flag of surrender. 1354 01:39:48,483 --> 01:39:52,287 And he told them that, yes, that's me. 1355 01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:53,721 I write books. 1356 01:39:53,755 --> 01:39:58,360 And he put the last nail in the case of LeRoy. 1357 01:39:58,393 --> 01:40:00,362 [player click video] 1358 01:40:25,287 --> 01:40:26,588 [player click video] 1359 01:40:26,621 --> 01:40:29,157 All headlines say trick, 1360 01:40:29,191 --> 01:40:31,693 literary hoax, 1361 01:40:31,726 --> 01:40:35,630 greatest literary lie our time. 1362 01:40:35,663 --> 01:40:40,735 But things about that what language does it say 1363 01:40:40,768 --> 01:40:43,071 are the books are not real. 1364 01:40:43,105 --> 01:40:46,274 That's all that works... 1365 01:40:50,345 --> 01:40:53,081 ... is a joke. 1366 01:40:53,115 --> 01:40:56,118 Director: What makes people actually believe 1367 01:40:56,151 --> 01:40:57,785 that you are the author? 1368 01:41:03,291 --> 01:41:06,528 Savannah Knoop: I think many people believe I am the author 1369 01:41:06,561 --> 01:41:09,531 because I said I was the author. 1370 01:41:09,564 --> 01:41:11,699 I mean, that's what comes down to, 1371 01:41:11,733 --> 01:41:16,404 Confidence is based on on this kind of contract 1372 01:41:16,438 --> 01:41:20,542 around what you say you do 1373 01:41:20,575 --> 01:41:25,813 then you assume that's what you do. 1374 01:41:25,847 --> 01:41:28,316 [player click video] 1375 01:41:41,263 --> 01:41:42,564 [player click video] 1376 01:41:42,597 --> 01:41:45,833 Laura Albert: Asia calls me 1377 01:41:45,867 --> 01:41:49,804 and this is the first time for him talk to me. 1378 01:41:49,837 --> 01:41:52,340 [player click video] 1379 01:42:31,613 --> 01:42:32,614 [Video player clicks] 1380 01:42:32,647 --> 01:42:34,316 What is thrown there 1381 01:42:34,349 --> 01:42:36,784 is a multiple personality chaos. 1382 01:42:36,818 --> 01:42:38,853 But that is not it. 1383 01:42:38,886 --> 01:42:40,555 I pulled the switch. 1384 01:42:40,588 --> 01:42:44,759 I am making a decision to go to a different rail. 1385 01:42:44,792 --> 01:42:46,528 I don't know what the label is, 1386 01:42:46,561 --> 01:42:49,497 I don't know what the classification is, 1387 01:42:49,531 --> 01:42:52,400 but I can tell you one thing I know - 1388 01:42:52,434 --> 01:42:56,604 it's not a hoax. 1389 01:42:56,638 --> 01:43:02,244 [Ringing] 1390 01:43:02,277 --> 01:43:03,478 [Receiver click] 1391 01:44:36,771 --> 01:44:39,006 If you buy a book, 1392 01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:44,479 if you feel upset because I'm 15 years older than JT, 1393 01:44:44,512 --> 01:44:47,081 or I am a woman and not a boy, 1394 01:44:47,114 --> 01:44:49,351 I'm fine with that. 1395 01:44:49,384 --> 01:44:54,956 The book says clearly, in a jacket, fiction. 1396 01:44:54,989 --> 01:44:59,461 The rest is extra. 1397 01:44:59,494 --> 01:45:01,763 [Click, swish] 1398 01:45:01,796 --> 01:45:06,368 My father grew up in Bushwick very poor, 1399 01:45:06,401 --> 01:45:10,104 and he has a very close friend who will take care of the baby. 1400 01:45:10,137 --> 01:45:11,773 He is Uncle George to me, 1401 01:45:11,806 --> 01:45:15,076 I know him since I was a baby. 1402 01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:19,414 He is always there, and he is a family. 1403 01:45:19,447 --> 01:45:20,715 ** 1404 01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:28,723 My parents don't come out too often, 1405 01:45:28,756 --> 01:45:32,794 so for them to go out at night is a big problem. 1406 01:45:32,827 --> 01:45:37,765 But when I was 3 years old, my mother was arranged for theater tickets, 1407 01:45:37,799 --> 01:45:41,836 and they leave me with George. 1408 01:45:41,869 --> 01:45:44,806 And we play games. 1409 01:45:44,839 --> 01:45:48,376 This is very complicated, psychological game 1410 01:45:48,410 --> 01:45:53,815 being a good girl versus being a bad girl. 1411 01:45:53,848 --> 01:46:00,021 And he starts touching me and my body responds to that, 1412 01:46:00,054 --> 01:46:06,661 but that's the proof that I'm a bad girl. 1413 01:46:09,864 --> 01:46:15,136 He has a solution, and that is to hit me. 1414 01:46:15,169 --> 01:46:18,940 But he also touched me at the same time. 1415 01:46:18,973 --> 01:46:22,410 That's where everything is just... 1416 01:46:22,444 --> 01:46:25,847 my wire is crossed. 1417 01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:31,686 Because of that pain and sexual desire 1418 01:46:31,719 --> 01:46:34,756 becomes intertwined. 1419 01:46:34,789 --> 01:46:37,825 And I am not guilty of this. 1420 01:46:37,859 --> 01:46:39,126 My body responds. 1421 01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:43,097 This really makes me excited, and it's terrible, 1422 01:46:43,130 --> 01:46:48,169 and something is very, very broken in me. 1423 01:46:50,171 --> 01:46:52,807 I go to food for help 1424 01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:55,710 because he definitely prefers me to be thin. 1425 01:46:55,743 --> 01:46:57,845 ** 1426 01:46:57,879 --> 01:47:01,148 In some cases, George just disappeared. 1427 01:47:01,182 --> 01:47:04,085 But damage has already occurred. 1428 01:47:04,118 --> 01:47:07,121 A child the smooth upper part rotates, 1429 01:47:07,154 --> 01:47:13,227 and that's not a lot of to send the top of the lane. 1430 01:47:13,260 --> 01:47:14,696 ** 1431 01:47:14,729 --> 01:47:17,098 [Click] 1432 01:47:17,131 --> 01:47:20,167 ** 1433 01:47:40,154 --> 01:47:43,190 ** 1434 01:48:01,643 --> 01:48:06,548 * It must be fun to disappear 1435 01:48:06,581 --> 01:48:11,619 * Have actions disappear 1436 01:48:11,653 --> 01:48:16,958 * To always look forward 1437 01:48:19,026 --> 01:48:23,865 * And never look back 1438 01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:32,840 * It's nice to disappear 1439 01:48:32,874 --> 01:48:38,713 * Floats into fog 1440 01:48:38,746 --> 01:48:45,953 * With a young woman on your arm * 1441 01:48:45,987 --> 01:48:50,658 * Looking for a kiss 1442 01:48:50,692 --> 01:48:53,895 ** 1443 01:49:15,149 --> 01:49:20,755 * It must be fun to disappear 1444 01:49:20,788 --> 01:49:25,793 * Have actions disappear 1445 01:49:25,827 --> 01:49:31,065 * To always move forward 1446 01:49:31,098 --> 01:49:36,037 * And never look back 1447 01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:41,876 * It's nice to disappear 1448 01:49:41,909 --> 01:49:47,148 * Floats into fog 1449 01:49:47,181 --> 01:49:52,654 * With a young woman on your arm * 1450 01:49:52,687 --> 01:49:57,825 * Search for a kiss 1451 01:50:02,697 --> 01:50:06,901 * Search for a kiss 1452 01:50:11,839 --> 01:50:14,942 * Floats into fog 1453 01:50:14,976 --> 01:50:19,213 Submitted by: www.subtitlecinema.com