Thank you.
More?
Do you want to cheers?
Most people have
very strong principled stances.
Don't survive for long, actually.
We all want them to survive for long,
but they don't survive for long.
And do much at the same time.
There are many times in Wikileaks' evolution
where I've had to be ruthlessly pragmatic.
So it is, to understand the medium-term
or the long-term goal in principle,
but in fact, not corrupt your principles
in the short term, but be quite willing
to balance one for another
in order to actually survive the moment.
Ukraine...
Egypt. You got it?
- Yeah. - Zimbabwe.
Iraq.
All they can see is that we've put it
on the web, which looks irresponsible.
Have you got the U.S. Embassy yet?
- No. - Well, please do that.
Are you recording?
Oh, hello. Can I please speak to Hillary Clinton?
I'm calling from the office of Julian Assange.
It's very important.
Yep, so Julian Assange is the founder of Wikileaks.
Okay. And all of the U.S. Department
of State cables...
We have intelligence that they are about to be
put on the web unredacted, not by us,
and I would like to speak to her about this.
Sarah.
Yes?
You need to call me back?
This is an emergency.
You're the emergency line and it will take a while?
Okay. Well, do you want to do that right now, and I'll wait?
He would like to speak to her about that.
Yes.
Okay, well, let me start by giving you my phone number.
One moment, please.
He's not doing it.
More details other than the entire unredacted
cable set is about to go on the internet?
I mean literally, it's about to happen.
I don't understand...
why you're not seeing the urgency in this.
Just put him on anyway. Who is he?
- Okay. - Who is he?
Hello?
Good day Chad, this is Julian Assange.
To try to make it clear, we don't have a problem.
You have a problem,
and we are trying to help you solve your problem,
because we are indirectly connected to your problem.
I would like to speak to the most senior person
available who can execute an action quickly
to send someone to location here in Norfolk.
I understand. Thank you. Thank you for your call.
Okay. Okay. Thank you. Bye bye.
- Hello. - See you tomorrow.
- Are you off? - Bye.
- Dinner's on the side. - What's for dinner, Sue?
Lamb chops, roast potatoes, vegetables,
crème brulée and raspberries.
Thank you. Very grand.
- Thank you. - See you tomorrow. 3:30. Bye.
Bye.
Production journal.
I had a strange dream about Julian.
I was moving between two spaces.
One, doing an insider exposé,
the other at a hidden location.
I didn't tell Julian what I was working on in the dream.
The anxiety must be a fear of betrayal,
and my worry about how Julian will react.
With this film, the lines have become very blurred.
Sometimes I can't believe what Julian allows me to film.
Ego, yes, but also brave.
He is managing his image, but also being vulnerable.
It's a mystery to me why he trusts me,
because I don't think he likes me.
Jordan.
Hello?
Hello, is this Ms. Harrison?
- Speaking. - Hi, Ms. Harrison.
This is the State Department Operations Center.
We spoke yesterday.
If Mr. Assange is available,
I have one of the Secretary's lawyers on the line
who has been asked to return the call
on the Department of State's behalf.
One of the secretary's lawyers to take the call.
Good day Cliff. Thank you for calling back.
Have... have you been briefed?
I believe so.
We had understood that you and perhaps Sarah
had been trying to reach out both to the Department,
and that there had been some calls.
Yes, so the situation is,
we have intelligence that the Department database archive
is being spread around, and our view is
that it's more your problem than it is ours,
but what we want the State Department to do
is to step up its warning procedures,
which it was engaged in earlier in the year
and late last year to...
to State Department sources
that are mentioned in the cables. I...
Well, surely you can understand that
when you're talking about this volume of material,
that even with the best efforts
of the United States government,
that we are able to protect all
or even a significant amount
of source equities in them.
There's also national security material
throughout the classified cables
that also causes us harm.
I mean, as you know, Mr. Assange, we had
in our public statements, tried to dissuade Wikileaks
from doing its releases on the same ground,
and it would...
I don't know why we would fare any better
- with... - Well, I mean...
- Than we did with you. - Well, I understand you need
to make that statement for legal reasons,
and you will understand that I need to make
the following statement also, that...
we make sure that there is no harm to the interests
of the United States, and rather the news benefit
is paramount in everything that we do.
I have to say, from our perspective,
a lot of this happened as a result
of the overbearing pressure
by the United States.
This is an example of
when you push people into a corner,
they stop behaving in a step-by-step
and methodical manner,
because of the threats that they are under.
Yeah, exactly.
I was stopped at the border again.
My detentions have become more aggressive
since I began filming Wikileaks.
The U.S. Agent at Heathrow wouldn't tell me his name
or who he worked for.
At JFK they collected all my electronics
and asked if I had any hidden USB drives.
When I got home, my apartment door was open.
Did I forget to close it
or are they sending me a message?
Can we start?
You need to be able to talk about exciting projects
without giving anything away.
Those of you who can,
'cause some of you want to be sort of covert.
Cover stories for various people.
- That's what he means. - That's what I'm talking about.
So Joe and Sarah are already very publicly visible.
They go as Joe and Sarah.
I want each person to give their story,
and you can correct it, because then we hear it
from them, and then if other people ask us
who they are, we've heard it in their voice.
Who are you?
I'm a Swedish journalist.
- And I'm a good friend. - Okay.
Renata, what's your name? Are you Renata?
I'm Renata, I'm from Guatemala.
I'm lawyer and I have been researching the last years
about freedom of information, human rights issues in general,
and many of the issues I work with
converge with the issues of the organization.
But are you a lawyer for Julian?
Are you a lawyer for Wikileaks?
Are you... what?
What should I say? I don't know.
I think you should say that you are...
a lawyer for Wikileaks.
- Okay. - Eliza?
My name is Eliza.
I would like to introduce Jacob Appelbaum,
the speaker of Wikileaks.
He's an independent security specialist.
Thank you so much for having me.
I really appreciate it. I guess I'd like to start off
by saying that the best indicator
for telling the future is to look at the present
and to understand how the past informs
on the present. So for example,
a major security threat is internet filtering
and censorship, and several people
on this panel represent companies that
during the revolution, they censored the internet
quite heavily, most respectfully,
TE Data blocking twitter.
I was actually accessing computer networks
from the United States that were located here in Egypt,
and now you look at the pamphlets around here,
you see that the companies at ICT,
and I mean this with all due respect,
are saying that they powered the revolution.
What they actually powered was the regime,
and now that the regime has fallen,
they want to exploit the revolution
for corporate profits.
Jacob, can you define censorship
- in your terminology? - Absolutely.
So, censorship in this case is restricting access
to a particular website.
I had a list of all of the servers that twitter runs,
and all but two of them were blocked by TE Data,
and this meant that twitter was not able to be used.
Yeah.
But specifically, I have data...
It's extremely dangerous to talk with
inaccurate information in such matters.
Oh, I have accurate data.
So, I mean, we could also talk about the propaganda
SMS sent by the mobile phone providers.
We can get to that later. I have data,
independent data from Egyptians and I gathered myself,
so while it might be dangerous to have this conversation,
I'm happy to talk about it, because it's truthful.
For example, did someone hold a gun
to the heads of your engineers and said,
block these sites?
Because Noor did not do this blocking.
The Noor ISP did not do this.
So why did TE Data collaborate with the Mubarak regime
and block these sites and try to stop the revolution?
- Jacob... - You want to build the future?
Will you agree to stand against all censorship?
Will you abide by the Egyptian constitution?
I ask you... wait, wait. Please.
I ask you right now, since you're here.
Every person, Vodafone, Nokia...
who collaborates with the Iranian dictators
and apparently Mubarak for a year.
So I'd like to know, will you all agree to stand
against censorship on the internet
and to abide by the Egyptian constitution?
Will you do it? Vodafone?
- Is that a yes? - Just a minute, please.
Will you agree to stand against censorship?
I will come back, Jacob, will come back to the panel.
He's got the microphone. I'd just like to ask...
Jacob, I will come back to the panel.
It's okay. He can say yes,
because he believes in the right of the Egyptian people.
We'll come back to the panel. We have a question there.
Okay.
These remarkable trove of documents
that have been released in the last year.
The Iraq war logs,
the Afghanistan war logs,
and the U.S. State department documents.
Why does it matter so much?
It has been my long-term belief
that what advances us as a civilization
is the entirety of our understanding.
What human institutions are actually like.
And at the moment, we are severely lacking
in the information from big, secretive organizations
that have such a role in shaping how we all live.
Institutions, the most powerful institutions,
from the CIA to news corporation,
are all organized using technical young people.
What does that mean, when all those
technical young people adopt a certain value system,
and that they are in an institution
where they do not agree with the value system.
And yet, actually, their hands are on the machinery.
Light them all up.
Come on, fire.
Roger.
Manning is being held in solitary confinement
and is stripped naked each night before bed.
Ultimately, the treatment of Private Manning,
who has yet to be brought to trial,
is popping some questions that are now making it up to the president.
With respect to Private Manning,
I have actually asked the Pentagon
whether or not the procedures that have been taken
in terms of his confinement are appropriate
and are meeting our basic standards.
They assure me that they are.
Hi. How are you?
Did you see the news?
I'm just actually in the car with Dan Ellsberg and Laura.
I'll put you on.
Julian, hi.
It's outrageous that this court-martial
is continuing given the President's proclamation
that he's guilty already.
It's impossible to get a fair military trial.
Here you go.
Did you get all that?
Oh, my god, we're driving past the Pentagon.
Just in brief, they said that they found an Al-Qaeda
operative in Afghanistan's computer that had
the Wikileaks Afghan documents downloaded onto it.
They showed a video of Al-Qaeda's media service,
showing an Al-Qaeda leader talking about jihad
and how they ought to use Wikileaks
in their efforts towards jihad,
and the argument they're making is that
Manning has, by providing information to Wikileaks,
has materially aided the enemy, because
by posting it on the internet,
Wikileaks is providing information to the enemy,
to terrorist organizations. It was unbelievable.
The whole... It was just...
We were sitting there thinking, are they serious?
And it even says, the free internet
is a tool for jihad.
The authority said they had concerns about his safety
and the fact he might commit suicide.
Now, there's been condemnation from around the world,
an investigation by the UN's torture investigator
into those conditions,
but the military and the U.S. Government
is continuing to press this case.
The most serious charge is one of aiding the enemy.
Now, prosecutors in this case have said they
won't seek the death penalty, so if found guilty,
he would face life in prison.
There he is.
He's smiling.
When I was 20, my first court case,
my two co-defendants both ratted me
out to the police under pressure.
And they both became...
Crown witnesses.
And I refused, under principle.
And, but it's not that I didn't think about it.
I don't believe in martyrs. I don't think,
some very rare exceptions, that people should be martyrs,
but I think people should certainly take risks.
Understand carefully what the risks are
and what the opportunities for the situation are,
and make sure these are in balance.
Sometimes, the risk can be very high,
but the opportunity can also be extremely high,
and by opportunity I mean
for things that you care about.
We need to keep things in perspective.
I mean, there's...
the risk of inaction is extremely high,
and every day you live your life,
you lose another day of life.
What's the risk of just sitting there?
I mean, you just lost a day.
You just died a day.
You don't have that many, so...
If you're not fighting for the things
that you care about, and every day is disappearing,
then, I mean, you are losing.
That's your machine.
It's up here.
Pick it up so it doesn't go somewhere else.
Shit!
And then you just rip that...
Pick it up and press the green button.
Yes, you called on this box.
Julian Assange.
No, I was in the house.
It's about you getting your mind into
not using language that sounds hostile to women
or to suggest that in general,
women are absolutely entitled
to bring cases against men who rape.
Your position is, I'm not one of them.
You know? So you have to sort of
find the language that, you know...
that helps you to explain that,
other than sounding as if you're somebody who thinks that,
you know, this is all a mad...
feminist conspiracy.
I don't think that's helpful to you.
No, to say it publicly is not helpful.
I know, but I'd like to persuade you
that it isn't true as well.
- Privately, it's... - It feels like it to you.
Privately, it's a social democratic party
plus general influence from the government.
It's just a thoroughly...
tawdry radical feminist
political positioning thing.
It's some stereotype.
And you stumbled into this nest of...
Yes.
She started the lesbian nightclub in Gothenburg.
I mean, you know, but what people would say is,
well, you know, what's her setting up a lesbian nightclub
got to do with the price of fish? You know...
No, I know. She's in that circle...
- That circle of... - She's, you know,
the fact that somebody is a feminist,
and even a radical feminist, doesn't mean...
You know the Krens? The police woman I have
- been running as a tag team. - But, Julian, you see...
- They go to Krens. - I want to stop you using
that kind of language of saying
they were running as a tag team,
and so on, because, you know...
- It's making it as if... - Not in public. I just say...
Yeah, but I mean, of course...
An actual court case.
I mean, it's going to be very, very hard for these women.
They'll be reviled forever
by a large segment of the global population,
and so...
I don't think it's in their interest
to proceed that way.
If I was them, I would go...
They need to save face, so they would do something
like we'd do a deal where
I would apologize for anything
that I did or didn't do
to hurt their feelings,
and they would say, enough is enough.
We didn't want...
We obviously didn't want...
We didn't intend to file a complaint,
and that's publicly agreed, and this is too severe.
Part of the problem in this case is that there's two women,
and the public just can't even keep them separate.
So if there was one, you could go,
she's a bad woman, okay?
I think that would have happened by now.
This person is a bad character...
Bad faith, and here's the evidence
that points for it.
Because there's two, it's much harder.
I thought I'd try and look as much
- like the judges as possible. - Yeah.
It works?
Here we are.
Okay.
Julian. Julian!
- Sir, sir! Sir! - How do you feel?
A man who's been involved in exposing
the crimes of the U.S. Empire is under threats,
or potentially being extradited to the United States.
It seems very likely to be a malicious
prosecution against him, and that's why I'm here
to show my solidarity.
If he assaulted the women, then that's a different case,
and it's important that he answers to that,
and he has to answer to her, but at the moment,
I don't know, and whatever he did there,
I still support what he's doing with Wikileaks.
How confident are you of a win?
Step back, gentlemen. Give a little space.
Production journal.
This is not the film I thought I was making.
I thought I could ignore the contradictions.
I thought they were not part of the story.
I was so wrong.
They are becoming the story.
So click save.
You're in a region that is extremely valuable
to wiretap, and you are almost certainly
being monitored.
In Tunisia, we know that this is happening.
- Yes. - So that's true for all of us
right now, no question, and if you look,
you can see that this is the case, because
- some websites are blocked. - Yes.
In Syria, they use devices called bluecoat.
They record everything that goes in and out of Syria,
so every time you send an e-mail,
they record the entire thing.
Think about it in terms of safe sex, right?
And this is the same thing.
People are practicing unsafe computing,
sometimes, in some places, the result of that is death.
So you have to make those choices and know
that there are options, but just like condoms,
- well, they could break. - Yeah.
And you're in a world of hurt.
That's maybe not the greatest
and most culturally appropriate analogy...
Well, I'm glad one of you did. That's awkward.
Good times.
Technology can always be used in two ways.
Isn't the internet just an infrastructure?
One that can be used to spread the idea of freedom.
- But also to control people. - Yeah, of course.
The infrastructure as we build it today...
In a way that has never been possible before.
Well, I don't know. I mean, it depends.
I think the scary thing is the control thing.
There's control that is
afforded now that is unlike anything else
that has ever happened.
At the same time, the avenues for communication
are everything we had before plus this.
Maybe that allows for us to build new alternatives
that previously were not possible without the internet.
I think that that is the case. That's what we think
that we're doing with Tor.
Don't you give bad guys a hideout?
No. I mean, not any more than,
for example, roads help terrorists to travel...
- Yeah. - Or trains or something
like that, or airplanes. I mean, what we do is we ensure
that every person, not one person excluded,
has the right to read and the right to speak freely,
with no exceptions.
So what happened in Egypt, they did use all these
completely insecure communications mechanisms...
but they did it quickly,
so they were able to communicate quickly
because they use insecure communications mechanisms.
And so you whip, a political situation
was whipped up and evolved much faster
than their opponents could see it,
understand it, and act on it.
So, I think that the general principle
you have there is true,
but I don't think that it actually
is the case that, in the long run,
all of those insecure technologies
will actually benefit them.
In Tunisia, we were told that people in Syria were killed.
How many people are you willing to sacrifice
in order to get the political gain,
or if you were one of those people,
how much of your own life are you willing to risk
in order to get that political gain?
- Well, part of... - And that actually...
you might be willing to risk rather a lot,
and if you slow everyone down such that
you're not going to get the political gain at all,
yes, you might protect people, but on the other hand,
you're not... are you protecting people
by permitting a situation to continue where you have
20,000 political prisoners?
That's not protecting people either.
It's just that I'm not clear
if they understand what will happen.
I think most people don't understand data retention.
I don't think it works like that, actually.
I think that you have a short-term crisis,
and you decide that the ability to activate quickly
and en masse is more important than preventing
the internet from forming a long-term profile on them.
People just don't understand the threat model.
And there's two different threat models here,
'cause there's one where they know who you are,
and they're going to spend a certain amount of resources
on targeting you
and following you physically,
and the other is they don't yet know who you are.
So as long and as long as you keep your anonymity,
you don't end up in this first category.
And once you're in this first category, it's very hard.
I'm in this first category.
You're in this first category.
Keep your head forward
so I don't cut your neck.
- Do you wanna do that? - We'll just trim...
That's mine.
Little rat tail there.
Could you look for the Occupy London photo?
And make sure the sound's up.
No. I don't want to cut it too short in the back.
Julian, you just need to wash it.
Cut it extra.
Three guys arrive, and they approach him,
and they say, FBI.
- They asked about my... - About your name
and his involvement with you, and they said,
you were involved with Wikileaks, right?
And we have been following you.
They admitted that they have been following you...
and we are contacting you because we want to ask you
- some questions, and... - Like what?
Well, very general stuff,
like, we want to know your relationship
with Julian Assange. General stuff like that.
No.
It's two guys.
- Shall I continue, or... - Go have a look at it.
Just have a look there, Laura?
This question about communication
with Manning, for example,
that's clearly the most important question...
- Yes. - I've heard so far, but...
I said, did I mention Jacob?
And he said, no, they didn't mention Jacob.
They just mentioned Julian.
Because they mentioned you again.
Wikileaks and Julian Assange, because of the Manning case.
- In the car? - In the one...
the three spooks.
- Yeah. - When they were trying
to make him answer the questions,
because the metro was closed, that what they could do
is give him a ride on the car
to the house that he was staying at,
because he... and he said to them
that he was staying alone in the house.
He is such a fucking idiot.
Get into a car with three FBI guys.
- Yeah. All right. Yeah. - Yeah. Yeah.
And said, what you have to do now
is to call this and this and this and this and this person...
- Go on. - That's his security...
I bumped into four people I knew in Sweden.
They all say the same thing.
That Wikileaks has lost ground because of you.
Doesn't matter when you go yes, but you know,
Wikileaks is him.
It's all his ideas, and all that,
that almost puts them off even more.
You, I mean, you're toxic there.
They all say, apologize.
I'm not telling you this is what I'm saying.
I'm just passing on what they...
- So... - I'm just passing on...
500 days of detention without a judge.
Yeah.
The only person who put it differently
was Thomas Olsen, who said,
you need to address the issue.
And he said what you do is you need
to address the girls, say,
I'm sorry you felt that way.
I wasn't disregarding you.
Da-da-da. That sort of thing.
Well sure, just fly her over,
I'm sure she'll be happy to have a private meeting.
- USW? - Yeah.
- You being sarcastic? - No.
If you can demonstrate
that due process hasn't been followed,
that will really upset the Swedes,
'cause they're a stickler for process.
- What? No, they're not. - No, I know they're not...
They're not a stickler for process.
- Because every time... - They're a stickler
for pretending that there's process.
Yeah, but you've got to...
We have been demonstrating, again and again
and again, that their due process hasn't been followed.
Yes, I know. That's why I said I disagreed.
And I said, well, you know, here's why...
- That's why they hate me. - Anyway, then they...
Yeah, I'm sure they much prefer to fuck me
and have no whimpering sounds.
This is my debrief, so can you keep quiet?
- Go on. - Because every time I say,
well, they're like, he should just come back.
- And say, and get the... - Get into that prison cell.
Yeah.
Hi. I'll put him on.
Hello?
Yeah, of course. Well, you need to say that.
That these are weasel words.
No, fuck that. You don't need to worry about that.
The U.S. is having... has an active grand jury
with FBI agents detaining people at airports.
Oh, no, they're not. That's a lie.
No, it's a grand jury. It's secret.
All you have to do is quote... no, no.
No, no, no. All you have to do is quote
what was in the Sydney Morning Herald
from the Australian government's own material,
which is, it cannot be confirmed on the record.
I.e. it can be confirmed off the record.
Witnesses who have been dragged in have
released their subpoenas, have been on the steps
of the grand jury.
Julian runs the organization like an intelligence agency.
Using code names, denial and deception,
compartmentalization.
He's teaching me things about secrecy
I didn't realize I needed to learn.
I don't know what he's planning.
I'm only able to see one step ahead.
Hi.
How's it going?
But don't... don't tell that journalist,
and,... yeah,
any journalists.
Yeah, well, tell him to bugger off.
Those who support Julian Assange believe
that his extradition is only the beginning
of a very long process that could land
the whistleblower in a U.S. prison.
In the last few moments, the UK's Supreme Court
has dismissed the appeal of Julian Assange,
effectively paving the way for him to be extradited
to Sweden within the next ten days.
He is not being charged with any crime.
At this stage, he is only wanted in Sweden
for questioning in relation to some sexual allegations
of which Mr. Assange denies.
Assange was not in court for that judgment to be handed down.
We understand he wanted to be but was caught in traffic.
He was not in court,
although he may well be watching it here on television.
I'm fine.
Well, we're told that he is inside this embassy here.
We're not getting a lot of information on the ground.
His supporters even were caught by surprise by this move.
Yes, we considered many countries.
However, on our analysis,
Ecuador was the most likely to agree to the asylum.
A lot of support in Iceland,
and Iceland was moving in that direction,
but, unfortunately, they were
simply not far enough.
Well, we say that my activities are protected
by the first amendment, but it's all a matter of politics.
Laws are interpreted by judges.
In any event, we require that the United States
guarantee that it does not apply
the death penalty in my extradition.
However, it still could be life imprisonment
or 30 years of imprisonment,
and the conditions might be very severe.
Well, there's still an awful lot of people here,
not just supporters of Assange,
but also passersby wondering what on earth is going on.
Of course, as I'm sure you can imagine,
there's a lot of media here too.
The UK previously sent a letter,
which has been interpreted by Ecuador
as a threat to storm the embassy
and get Assange out by any means necessary.
That didn't go down very well with the Ecuadorians at all.
They said that it was an act
that was not fitting of a civilized nation.
And even in a state of war,
even if the UK was at war with Ecuador,
they do not have the right to go into the mission.
Yeah.
The news that Julian Assange has been granted asylum
by the Ecuadorian government is slowly spreading
through a large, substantial crowd
here outside the Ecuadorian embassy,
but the British government is insisting it changes nothing.
How pathetic is that?
A press conference with all of the London media,
who hate us,
and doing it live to the world.
It'll be fine.
I'm fucking terrified.
I'll read it to you.
I'm so scared. Okay.
You'll be fine.
Thanks for coming.
I'm going to talk a bit about today's release.
Then we'll key through our interface.
Then I'll take a few questions at the end.
Just now, at 11:00 a.m. BST,
Wikileaks began publishing the Syria files.
Over the next two months, groundbreaking stories...
No. You have to look up.
But you're doing really well otherwise.
- Over the next two months... - No.
Don't...
Just read it in your head, so buffer up.
Go, get the first four words into my head,
then look up and speak them.
Okay. So here we go.
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange cannot be with us today,
but has given this comment on the Syria files.
The material is embarrassing to Syria,
but it is also embarrassing to Syria's opponents.
It helps us not merely to criticize one group or another,
but to understand their interests, actions,
and thoughts.
We don't just be pissing off Assad,
we'll be pissing off his enemies as well.
Okay, give me a couple of questions.
The one that I'm most nervous about...
is the typical one, the girlfriend one,
and I just give a funny look, and Joseph says,
that's enough on this topic.
Just imagine that they're a piece of shit on your shoe.
A piece of dog shit.
Don't look at all scared. Just look, what?
- Oh, please. - Ridiculous question right now.
No, no, no, just, oh, please.
- Yeah. - Do the feminine thing.
You've assaulted my femininity.
How dare you?
Thanks for coming.
Just now, at 11:00 a.m. BST, Wikileaks began publishing
the Syria files. More than 2 million e-mails
from Syrian political figures, ministries,
and associated companies.
This extraordinary data set derives from
680 Syrian-related entities or domain names,
including those of the ministries
of presidential affairs, foreign affairs,
finance, information,
transport, and culture.
We'll take a very limited amount of questions,
but I know Julian is very newsworthy at the moment.
Can we just keep the questions to do with the release?
Does this mean Wikileaks is back on top
and able to continue publishing new data
after quite a hiatus of not doing so?
Can you give us any headlines from this?
Anything that we can take away from this
before going through the interface,
and...
just the latest on Mr. Assange and what he's feeling
there in the Ecuadorian embassy right now.
And Mr. Assange?
As my colleague said, we...
Can we just keep the questions...
This isn't about Mr. Assange.
And this is another... we did the GI files earlier this year,
and then this is the second large release of this year...
- That's good. - That we are continuing.
I don't know if there's a rebranding.
We're up to, like, 150 tweets a minute.
Production journal.
I had a nightmare that hung with me for days.
Julian was being detained at a U.S. military base...
I'd been off the radar since I started editing.
I should check in with Sarah so they don't freak out.
See, my profile didn't really take off until the sex case.
- Oh, it was pretty... - No, no, it was very,
very high among media circles
and intelligence circles and so on,
but it didn't really, really take off
as if I was a globally recognized household name.
That wasn't until the sex case.
So I was joking to one of our people,
sex scandal every six months.
I think that was me you were joking to...
Is the way to...
And I died a little bit inside.
Is the way to...
That's gonna keep our profile, isn't it, Sarah?
Big grin, and I was like, please, please, please don't.
I will kill you on every level available.
Come on. It's a platform.
You have a platform.
Oh, they didn't move.
This is incredible.
Those are the guys I encouraged to let you go.
So, you know, please don't share this
with anybody, not a single soul,
but, you know, let's talk about it and figure it out.
This is clearly a man in the middle, right?
We tried to connect to Tor project's web server.
It says that it's five hops upstream,
and then it closes the connection.
I'm gonna give you a whole bunch of stuff, which...
I have no idea. So if you prepare me...
What the fuck is that? You can't even...
You don't even have a bathrobe that fits you?
Do we need to go shopping for you?
No.
If you prepare me...
- Does that say boss on it? - Yeah. If you...
If you prepare me...
a bootable USB or external drive
with an onion server that goes to a shell,
then you can get on this network,
and you can do the tests.
Give me your computer, and I will give you that.
- Okay. - We should build that with...
- No, we should build now. - Please get in the shower.
You have ten minutes. Please.
It's like you're in college.
Where do you sleep?
- Other side of the bookshelf. - What?
- Yeah. - This is your room?
- Yeah. - Not mine, his.
I get to go home at night.
I want you to look like you just took your shirt off,
and you're at home, you know?
You should just be in your...
in that, like something like that,
like a dirty fucking t-shirt like a rebel.
- With a stain on it. - Not in that suit.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
What's your favorite kind of food?
Well, I went to Malaysia. Well, first of all...
First of all, let's not pretend for a moment
that I'm a normal person.
I am obsessed with our political struggle.
- I'm not a normal person. - Right.
I just would really like
for you to tell me how you feel,
because I've been trying to get that out of you.
But, okay, why does it matter how I feel?
I mean, who gives a damn?
I don't, see, I don't care how I feel.
Do you ever feel like just fucking crying?
- No. - Never?
- Never. - Even when you're happy?
- You love your mom? - Yeah.
How about your dad?
My dad is much more abstract, so...
No. Nothing like you then.
I'm just kidding.
Who is after you, Mr. Assange?
Formally, there are more than 12 United States
intelligence organizations, investigative organizations,
- that are... - What are they?
...after us. So, I mean, those include,
most importantly, the FBI,
the Department of Justice,
the Central Intelligence Agency,
the Department of Defense,
and the subsets of the Department of Defense,
Centcom, sections of the U.S. Army,
including CCIU,
the U.S. Army's Computer Crimes Investigative Unit.
Those include, in Australia, various...
- It's a series of institutions. - So there...
And, of course, the State Department,
the diplomatic security service.
Here, within the United Kingdom,
the Home Office, the extradition squad,
the serious organized crime...
So basically, a whole bunch of fuckin' people in America.
Now what about the rest of the world?
So, in the rest of the world, there's...
the Australian government started up
what you call the whole of government investigation
that included the internal intelligence agency,
the external intelligence agency access
ACIS, the Attorney General...
- Okay. - The Department of...
So we've got the U.S., Australia...
The Australian federal police...
Where else?
The Swedish prosecution authorities.
Swedish prosecution.
That includes the foreign ministry run by...
Built some aspects of the...
It's become a national issue now.
- So a lot of people. - Well, there's more.
A lot of systems.
I mean, there's the scientologists.
- There's a lot of friends of... - The scientologists.
There's a lot of friends of friends...
There's people in Kenya. There's people in...
A lot of friends of friends doing things
to put you in this position that you are now in, correct?
Sure.
Seven, six, five,
four, three, two, one.
Seven, six, five, four,
three, two, one.
Good. Quicker. Good.
Good. Quick.
That's good. Go.
I've been contacted by an anonymous source.
He claims to have documents about illegal NSA spying.
I wonder if the FBI is trying to entrap me, Jake, or Julian.
Julian would be the likely target.
I haven't told him about the source.
Okay. I need you to move the camera and stop filming.
Give me that bag.
29-year-old Edward Snowden
blew open those secrets by leaking
unprecedented details of top secret...
Julian contacted me after I published the video.
He said Snowden isn't safe in Hong Kong.
I told him I can't assist with Ed's asylum.
The risks are too high.
When they investigate this leak,
they'll create a narrative to say it was all a conspiracy.
They won't understand what really happened.
That we all kept each other in the dark.
Breaking news this hour.
Wikileaks claims one of its legal advisers
accompanying Snowden after the whistleblower organization...
Reportedly has Snowden scheduled to land
in the Russian capital within minutes.
As you may have heard, there is a CIA agent
who has revealed a lot of information,
and he is now trapped in the...
the airport in Moscow.
We've managed to get him out of Hong Kong,
but when he landed in the Moscow airport,
the American government had cancelled his passport
to try and grab him.
We are trying to arrange a private jet
to take him from Moscow to Ecuador
or perhaps maybe Venezuela,
or maybe Iceland...
Countries where he would be safe,
but there isn't much time, this is the problem.
We need to raise the money for the jet.
Well, there are quotes coming back at somewhere
between $120,000 and $300,000
for the private flight.
And one of our people is accompanying him.
Today, we've had information from the official
Russian news service, Interfax,
that at the Moscow airport, Edward Snowden applied
for asylum there with the help of Sarah Harrison.
The British national says that her lawyers
have advised her not to return to the UK,
because she risks arrest under the terrorism act.
Not guilty on aiding the enemy,
but specification 1, charge 2, on wanton publication guilty,
Afghan war diary on espionage, guilty,
spec 8 on the Gitmo files, guilty...
which is ten years max,
Cablegate, guilty, ten years,
Reykjavik cable, two years max, guilty.
God.
It goes on.
10, 20, 30...
90, 100...
102, 112...
Yeah, so far, 142 years,
maximum possible sentence.
I spoke to Julian for the first time in months.
He is furious and feels betrayed.
He wants me to give him NSA documents,
and accused me of dividing the community
by not publishing with Wikileaks.
I tell him I can't be his source.
I don't tell him that I don't trust him.
He's still yelling when I hang up the phone.
Testing, testing. Okay.
Okay, so there's a filmmaker named Laura Poitras.
Laura Poitras is known through the defense community
as a documentary filmmaker who is anti-U.S.
So she's known in the wiki community, the anti-U.S.,
anti-government-monitoring community.
When we were pursuing Snowden, we went balls to the wall
to try to get this guy.
We were able to revoke his visa
the day before he boarded the plane for Moscow.
So they get the guy on the plane
and he ends up in Moscow.
And therefore, then, at that point,
we realized, you know, we lost him.
We're probably not gonna get him back.
Hi.
How's it going?
It looks almost certain now
that it's gonna be Hillary versus Trump.
- Yeah. - Basically it will be...
will be Hillary versus Trump unless one of them
has a stroke or is assassinated.
Yeah.
So that's quite a bad outcome in both directions.
We have a definite warmonger
in the case of Hillary, who's gunning for us.
- Yeah. - And in the case of Trump,
we have someone who's extremely unpredictable.
- Yes. - I've discovered quite a lot
of interesting stuff in relation to Hillary.
Unfortunately for Trump, there's...
There's not so many known interesting documents.
And you'd think with his business ventures all over,
there must be a whole bunch of stuff.
After something like this happens in your community,
it kind of tears it apart.
You know, Tor is just kind of the epicenter
of this particular instance, but I think there is
kind of, you know, a degree of sickness
within the community that allows these things to happen.
And so I think we are still uncovering
and trying to make sense of what actually happened.
Like, how did it persist?
What, you know, what were the mechanisms by which
it was covered up or hidden or enabled?
I have some comments, but I would like
to actually not be on camera.
I'm a programmer, and all I would like to do
is to be able to contribute to radical projects,
but I knew that I wouldn't work with Tor ever
because of Jacob Appelbaum.
And I was never directly affected by him,
but I just knew so many stories.
Jake often asked me, what decision would I make
in the prisoner's dilemma?
Would I stay silent, or betray him?
Jake sent me a text after the website went live.
We had been involved briefly in 2014.
After I ended things, he was abusive
to someone close to me.
Jake was now worried about what I would say.
I asked to interview him for the film.
He said no, he wants the film to have a different ending.
So do I.
Wikileaks published a trove of hacked stolen DNC emails
and voice messages indicating efforts by party officials
to hinder Bernie Sanders' campaign
and assist Hillary Clinton's campaign.
U.S. government sources strongly suspect
that Russian intelligence agents
were behind the data breach.
The grand total of emails pushed out there by Wikileaks
is now well over 10,000.
Progressives concerned that she was taking
all of this money from Goldman Sachs and others.
Assange has given a series of interviews
in which he says that there's no proof whatsoever
that the emails that he's already released
came from Russian sources.
Of course, Wikileaks likes to create
maximum ambiguity about where its information comes from.
It's very hot on the protection of sources.
Does that not trouble you at all,
if a foreign government is trying to meddle
in the affairs of another foreign government?
Well, it's an interesting speculative question,
that's for the press and others to perhaps...
But does that not, that doesn't bother you?
That is not part of the Wikileaks credo?
Well, it's a meta... it's a metastory.
If you're asking would we accept information
from U.S. intelligence that we had verified
to be completely accurate and would we publish that
and would we protect our sources in U.S. intelligence,
the answer is, yes, of course we would.
Donald Trump will be
the 45th President of the United States.
Assange is obviously back in the headlines
after Wikileaks released thousands of emails
from the democratic party in the lead-up
to the presidential election.
The Department of Homeland Security says the emails come
from Russian hackers backed by the highest levels
of the Kremlin.
What are you expecting?
What do you hope to achieve today?
Sorry. Could I get through?
The Swedish prosecuting office will make a decision
as to whether to carry the investigation
or possibly bring charges against Julian Assange
or perhaps drop the investigation altogether.
Coming through.
I have been authorized
by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI,
as part of our counterintelligence mission,
is investigating the Russian government's efforts
to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.
And that includes investigating the nature of any links
between individuals associated with the Trump campaign
and the Russian government,
and whether there was any coordination
between the campaign and Russia's efforts.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I just wanted to follow up with a few questions.
Director Comey, are you aware that Roger Stone
played a role on the Trump campaign?
I'm not gonna talk about any
particular person here today, Mr. Schiff.
I'm gonna continue to ask these questions
because I want to make sure you are aware of these facts,
whether you're able to comment on them or not.
Are you aware that Mr. Stone also claimed
that he was in touch with an intermediary of Mr. Assange?
Same answer.
This question I think you can answer.
Do you know whether the Russian intelligence services
dealt directly with Wikileaks
or whether they too used an intermediary?
We assessed they used some kind of cutout.
They didn't deal directly with Wikileaks,
in contrast to Guccifer 2.0.
There is evidence, is there not,
of a break-in of the democratic headquarters
by a foreign power using cyber means?
- Yes, there was. - And there was an effort
by the Russians to cover up their break-in
by using cutouts like Wikileaks to publish the stolen material.
Isn't that right?
Certainly to cover up that they were the ones releasing it.
A woman who knows that-- I'm doing this, they...
they want to know why.
The motivation.
So if we actually, if I don't try
and make an excuse, but rather...
Or a sound bite or anything.
- But, really, why? - If I don't...
Maybe close that door.
I don't feel there's even a choice in the matter.
I was in a lucky position that...
that the new thing that is, it is...
that element which is really causing the world to globalize,
that element which is producing most of the changes that we see,
including the bad ones, I was an expert in.
If you... see the global problems
that we have as a global civilization,
if you actually see them and understand them,
then acting locally is completely inconsequential,
relative to what you understand.
So that the only way to then act...
to make the world the way you want it,
to remove those features which you do not like,
is to act globally.
'Cause I think, 'cause the features
that you are concerned about
are a global phenomenon.
I understand what you're saying on a tactical level,
but, like, really the motivation.
That is the motiva... it's... it's, I mean, it...
But isn't it also something about power?
If you're... let's say your perception
was limited to your garden?
And so you spend your time going,
well, I don't like...
I don't like to have weeds,
I like to have flowers in my garden,
I like my garden to be healthy,
then you spend your time doing that.
If your...
perception has been globalized,
then...
that this perception of your garden...
I mean, perhaps I have a god complex, right?
But the perception of your garden,
my perception of what my environment is,
the area that I care about is the whole world.
Julian texted me after I showed him a cut of the film.
He said, Laura...
I ask that you cease putting into press releases
and interviews that we have fallen out.
After the screening, we will continue to try
to find a path of mutual interest.
However, presently,
the film is a severe threat to my freedom,
and I'm forced to treat it accordingly.
Efforts are now well under way to prosecute
the founder of the group that candidate Trump said
he loves so much Wikileaks.
The Justice Department preparing charges
against Julian Assange.
The Attorney General said he is focused
on prosecuting leaks, and the Justice Department
is taking steps to do that.
We are going to step up our efforts on all leaks.
Whenever a case can be made,
we will seek to put some people in jail.