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Thank you.

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More?

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Do you want to cheers?

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Most people have

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very strong principled stances.

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Don't survive for long,
actually.

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We all want them
to survive for long,

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but they don't survive for long.

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And do much at the same time.

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There are many times in
Wikileaks' evolution

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where I've had
to be ruthlessly pragmatic.

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So it is, to understand
the medium-term

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or the long-term goal
in principle,

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but in fact,
not corrupt your principles

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in the short term,
but be quite willing

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to balance one for another

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in order to actually survive
the moment.

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Ukraine...

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Egypt. You got it?

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- Yeah.
- Zimbabwe.

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Iraq.

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All they can see
is that we've put it

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on the web,
which looks irresponsible.

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Have you got
the U.S. Embassy yet?

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- No.
- Well, please do that.

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Are you recording?

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Oh, hello. Can I please speak
to Hillary Clinton?

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I'm calling from the office
of Julian Assange.

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It's very important.

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Yep, so Julian Assange
is the founder of Wikileaks.

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Okay.
And all of the U.S. Department

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of State cables...

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We have intelligence
that they are about to be

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put on the web unredacted,
not by us,

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and I would like
to speak to her about this.

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Sarah.

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Yes?

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You need to call me back?

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This is an emergency.

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You're the emergency line
and it will take a while?

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Okay. Well, do you want to do
that right now, and I'll wait?

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He would like to speak
to her about that.

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Yes.

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Okay, well, let me start
by giving you my phone number.

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One moment, please.

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He's not doing it.

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More details other than
the entire unredacted

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cable set is about
to go on the internet?

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I mean literally,
it's about to happen.

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I don't understand...

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why you're not seeing
the urgency in this.

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Just put him on anyway.
Who is he?

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- Okay.
- Who is he?

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Hello?

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Good day Chad,
this is Julian Assange.

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To try to make it clear,
we don't have a problem.

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You have a problem,

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and we are trying to help you
solve your problem,

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because we are indirectly
connected to your problem.

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I would like to speak
to the most senior person

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available who can execute
an action quickly

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to send someone
to location here in Norfolk.

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I understand. Thank you.
Thank you for your call.

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Okay. Okay.
Thank you. Bye bye.

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- Hello.
- See you tomorrow.

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- Are you off?
- Bye.

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- Dinner's on the side.
- What's for dinner, Sue?

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Lamb chops, roast potatoes,
vegetables,

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crème brulée and raspberries.

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Thank you.
Very grand.

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- Thank you.
- See you tomorrow. 3:30. Bye.

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Bye.

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<i>Production journal.</i>

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<i>I had a strange dream
about Julian.</i>

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<i>I was moving between
two spaces.</i>

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<i>One, doing an insider exposé,</i>

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<i>the other at a hidden location.</i>

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<i>I didn't tell Julian what
I was working on in the dream.</i>

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<i>The anxiety
must be a fear of betrayal,</i>

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<i>and my worry about
how Julian will react.</i>

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<i>With this film, the lines
have become very blurred.</i>

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<i>Sometimes I can't believe
what Julian allows me to film.</i>

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<i>Ego, yes,
but also brave.</i>

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<i>He is managing his image,
but also being vulnerable.</i>

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<i>It's a mystery to me
why he trusts me,</i>

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<i>because I don't think
he likes me.</i>

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Jordan.

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Hello?

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Hello,
is this Ms. Harrison?

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- Speaking.
- Hi, Ms. Harrison.

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This is the State Department
Operations Center.

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We spoke yesterday.

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If Mr. Assange is available,

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I have one of the Secretary's
lawyers on the line

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who has been asked
to return the call

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on the Department
of State's behalf.

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One of the secretary's lawyers
to take the call.

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Good day Cliff.
Thank you for calling back.

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Have... have you been briefed?

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I believe so.

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We had understood that
you and perhaps Sarah

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had been trying to reach out
both to the Department,

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and that there
had been some calls.

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Yes, so the situation is,

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we have intelligence that
the Department database archive

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is being spread around,
and our view is

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that it's more
your problem than it is ours,

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but what we want
the State Department to do

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is to step up
its warning procedures,

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which it was engaged
in earlier in the year

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and late last year to...

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to State Department sources

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that are mentioned
in the cables. I...

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Well, surely
you can understand that

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when you're talking about
this volume of material,

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that even with the best efforts

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of the United States
government,

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that we are able to protect all

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or even a significant amount

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of source equities in them.

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There's also
national security material

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throughout
the classified cables

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that also causes us harm.

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I mean, as you know,
Mr. Assange, we had

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in our public statements,
tried to dissuade Wikileaks

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from doing its releases
on the same ground,

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and it would...

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I don't know why
we would fare any better

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- with...
- Well, I mean...

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- Than we did with you.
- Well, I understand you need

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to make that statement
for legal reasons,

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and you will understand
that I need to make

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the following statement also,
that...

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we make sure that there is
no harm to the interests

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of the United States,
and rather the news benefit

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is paramount
in everything that we do.

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I have to say,
from our perspective,

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a lot of this happened
as a result

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of the overbearing pressure

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by the United States.

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This is an example of

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when you push people
into a corner,

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they stop behaving
in a step-by-step

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and methodical manner,

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because of the threats
that they are under.

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Yeah, exactly.

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<i>I was stopped
at the border again.</i>

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<i>My detentions have become
more aggressive</i>

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<i>since I began
filming Wikileaks.</i>

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<i>The U.S. Agent at Heathrow
wouldn't tell me his name</i>

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<i>or who he worked for.</i>

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<i>At JFK they collected
all my electronics</i>

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<i>and asked if I had
any hidden USB drives.</i>

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<i>When I got home,
my apartment door was open.</i>

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<i>Did I forget to close it</i>

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<i>or are they sending me
a message?</i>

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Can we start?

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You need to be able to talk
about exciting projects

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without giving anything away.

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Those of you who can,

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'cause some of you
want to be sort of covert.

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Cover stories
for various people.

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- That's what he means.
- That's what I'm talking about.

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So Joe and Sarah are already
very publicly visible.

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They go as Joe and Sarah.

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I want each person
to give their story,

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and you can correct it,
because then we hear it

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from them,
and then if other people ask us

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who they are,
we've heard it in their voice.

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Who are you?

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I'm a Swedish journalist.

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- And I'm a good friend.
- Okay.

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Renata, what's your name?
Are you Renata?

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I'm Renata,
I'm from Guatemala.

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I'm lawyer and I have been
researching the last years

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about freedom of information,
human rights issues in general,

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and many of the issues
I work with

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converge with the issues
of the organization.

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But are you a lawyer
for Julian?

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Are you a lawyer for Wikileaks?

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Are you... what?

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What should I say?
I don't know.

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I think you should say that
you are...

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a lawyer for Wikileaks.

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- Okay.
- Eliza?

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My name is Eliza.

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I would like
to introduce Jacob Appelbaum,

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the speaker of Wikileaks.

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He's an independent
security specialist.

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Thank you so much
for having me.

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I really appreciate it.
I guess I'd like to start off

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by saying that
the best indicator

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for telling the future
is to look at the present

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and to understand
how the past informs

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on the present.
So for example,

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a major security threat
is internet filtering

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and censorship,
and several people

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on this panel represent
companies that

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during the revolution,
they censored the internet

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quite heavily,
most respectfully,

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TE Data blocking twitter.

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I was actually accessing
computer networks

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from the United States
that were located here in Egypt,

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and now you look
at the pamphlets around here,

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you see that
the companies at ICT,

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and I mean this
with all due respect,

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are saying that they powered
the revolution.

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What they actually powered
was the regime,

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and now that the regime
has fallen,

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they want to exploit
the revolution

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for corporate profits.

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Jacob,
can you define censorship

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- in your terminology?
- Absolutely.

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So, censorship in this case is
restricting access

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to a particular website.

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I had a list of all of
the servers that twitter runs,

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and all but two of them
were blocked by TE Data,

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and this meant that twitter
was not able to be used.

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Yeah.

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But specifically,
I have data...

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It's extremely dangerous
to talk with

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inaccurate information
in such matters.

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Oh, I have accurate data.

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So, I mean, we could also talk
about the propaganda

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SMS sent by the mobile
phone providers.

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We can get to that later.
I have data,

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independent data from Egyptians
and I gathered myself,

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so while it might be dangerous
to have this conversation,

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I'm happy to talk about it,
because it's truthful.

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For example,
did someone hold a gun

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to the heads
of your engineers and said,

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block these sites?

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Because Noor
did not do this blocking.

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The Noor ISP did not do this.

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So why did TE Data collaborate
with the Mubarak regime

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and block these sites
and try to stop the revolution?

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- Jacob...
- You want to build the future?

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Will you agree to stand
against all censorship?

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Will you abide by
the Egyptian constitution?

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I ask you... wait, wait.
Please.

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I ask you right now,
since you're here.

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Every person,
Vodafone, Nokia...

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who collaborates
with the Iranian dictators

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and apparently Mubarak
for a year.

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So I'd like to know,
will you all agree to stand

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against censorship
on the internet

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and to abide by
the Egyptian constitution?

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Will you do it? Vodafone?

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- Is that a yes?
- Just a minute, please.

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Will you agree
to stand against censorship?

251
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I will come back, Jacob,
will come back to the panel.

252
00:15:20,141 --> 00:15:21,453
He's got the microphone.
I'd just like to ask...

253
00:15:21,454 --> 00:15:22,565
Jacob, I will come back
to the panel.

254
00:15:22,572 --> 00:15:24,298
It's okay.
He can say yes,

255
00:15:24,299 --> 00:15:26,122
because he believes in the right
of the Egyptian people.

256
00:15:26,123 --> 00:15:28,137
We'll come back to the panel.
We have a question there.

257
00:15:28,138 --> 00:15:29,097
Okay.

258
00:16:25,928 --> 00:16:28,967
These remarkable
trove of documents

259
00:16:28,968 --> 00:16:32,450
that have been released
in the last year.

260
00:16:32,455 --> 00:16:34,374
The Iraq war logs,

261
00:16:34,375 --> 00:16:36,447
the Afghanistan war logs,

262
00:16:36,455 --> 00:16:39,493
and the U.S. State department
documents.

263
00:16:39,494 --> 00:16:42,371
Why does it matter so much?

264
00:16:42,374 --> 00:16:44,771
It has been
my long-term belief

265
00:16:44,773 --> 00:16:48,292
that what advances us
as a civilization

266
00:16:48,293 --> 00:16:51,391
is the entirety
of our understanding.

267
00:16:51,397 --> 00:16:53,957
What human institutions
are actually like.

268
00:16:53,958 --> 00:16:57,090
And at the moment,
we are severely lacking

269
00:16:57,091 --> 00:17:01,282
in the information from big,
secretive organizations

270
00:17:01,283 --> 00:17:06,562
that have such a role
in shaping how we all live.

271
00:17:06,563 --> 00:17:10,907
Institutions,
the most powerful institutions,

272
00:17:10,914 --> 00:17:13,436
from the CIA
to news corporation,

273
00:17:13,441 --> 00:17:17,277
are all organized
using technical young people.

274
00:17:17,281 --> 00:17:19,362
What does that mean,
when all those

275
00:17:19,363 --> 00:17:24,155
technical young people
adopt a certain value system,

276
00:17:24,159 --> 00:17:25,886
and that they are
in an institution

277
00:17:25,886 --> 00:17:27,805
where they do not agree
with the value system.

278
00:17:27,806 --> 00:17:32,285
And yet, actually, their hands
are on the machinery.

279
00:17:57,243 --> 00:17:58,747
Light them all up.

280
00:17:58,748 --> 00:18:00,663
Come on, fire.

281
00:18:02,364 --> 00:18:03,351
Roger.

282
00:18:36,024 --> 00:18:38,422
Manning is being held
in solitary confinement

283
00:18:38,424 --> 00:18:41,081
and is stripped naked
each night before bed.

284
00:18:41,082 --> 00:18:43,322
Ultimately, the treatment
of Private Manning,

285
00:18:43,323 --> 00:18:44,950
who has yet
to be brought to trial,

286
00:18:44,951 --> 00:18:48,336
is popping some questions that are
now making it up to the president.

287
00:18:48,342 --> 00:18:50,230
With respect
to Private Manning,

288
00:18:50,231 --> 00:18:51,956
I have actually
asked the Pentagon

289
00:18:51,956 --> 00:18:54,066
whether or not the procedures
that have been taken

290
00:18:54,068 --> 00:18:57,866
in terms of his confinement
are appropriate

291
00:18:57,876 --> 00:19:01,136
and are meeting
our basic standards.

292
00:19:01,139 --> 00:19:03,441
They assure me that they are.

293
00:19:13,457 --> 00:19:15,792
Hi. How are you?

294
00:19:15,793 --> 00:19:19,342
Did you see the news?

295
00:19:19,345 --> 00:19:23,151
I'm just actually in the car
with Dan Ellsberg and Laura.

296
00:19:23,152 --> 00:19:24,907
I'll put you on.

297
00:19:24,912 --> 00:19:26,667
Julian, hi.

298
00:19:26,672 --> 00:19:28,139
It's outrageous that
this court-martial

299
00:19:28,143 --> 00:19:31,979
is continuing given
the President's proclamation

300
00:19:31,982 --> 00:19:34,349
that he's guilty already.

301
00:19:34,350 --> 00:19:36,297
It's impossible to get
a fair military trial.

302
00:19:36,302 --> 00:19:37,708
Here you go.

303
00:19:37,709 --> 00:19:39,944
Did you get all that?

304
00:19:39,949 --> 00:19:42,346
Oh, my god, we're driving
past the Pentagon.

305
00:19:44,620 --> 00:19:48,744
Just in brief, they said
that they found an Al-Qaeda

306
00:19:48,747 --> 00:19:50,857
operative in Afghanistan's
computer that had

307
00:19:50,859 --> 00:19:54,983
the Wikileaks Afghan documents
downloaded onto it.

308
00:19:54,987 --> 00:19:58,660
They showed a video
of Al-Qaeda's media service,

309
00:19:58,666 --> 00:20:01,543
showing an Al-Qaeda leader
talking about jihad

310
00:20:01,546 --> 00:20:03,464
and how they ought
to use Wikileaks

311
00:20:03,466 --> 00:20:06,085
in their efforts towards jihad,

312
00:20:06,090 --> 00:20:08,809
and the argument
they're making is that

313
00:20:08,810 --> 00:20:12,425
Manning has, by providing
information to Wikileaks,

314
00:20:12,426 --> 00:20:14,248
has materially aided
the enemy, because

315
00:20:14,249 --> 00:20:15,812
by posting it on the internet,

316
00:20:15,816 --> 00:20:18,856
Wikileaks is providing
information to the enemy,

317
00:20:18,857 --> 00:20:22,341
to terrorist organizations.
It was unbelievable.

318
00:20:22,342 --> 00:20:24,325
The whole...
It was just...

319
00:20:24,325 --> 00:20:27,298
We were sitting there thinking,
are they serious?

320
00:20:27,301 --> 00:20:29,603
And it even says,
the free internet

321
00:20:29,605 --> 00:20:31,945
is a tool for jihad.

322
00:20:43,140 --> 00:20:45,950
The authority said they had
concerns about his safety

323
00:20:45,956 --> 00:20:47,938
and the fact he might
commit suicide.

324
00:20:47,939 --> 00:20:49,790
Now, there's been condemnation
from around the world,

325
00:20:49,795 --> 00:20:52,518
an investigation
by the UN's torture investigator

326
00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:54,433
into those conditions,

327
00:20:54,435 --> 00:20:56,197
but the military
and the U.S. Government

328
00:20:56,198 --> 00:20:57,786
is continuing
to press this case.

329
00:20:57,794 --> 00:20:59,607
The most serious charge
is one of aiding the enemy.

330
00:20:59,617 --> 00:21:01,343
Now, prosecutors in this case
have said they

331
00:21:01,344 --> 00:21:03,704
won't seek the death penalty,
so if found guilty,

332
00:21:03,712 --> 00:21:05,496
he would face
life in prison.

333
00:21:08,511 --> 00:21:11,513
There he is.

334
00:21:13,213 --> 00:21:16,158
He's smiling.

335
00:21:33,628 --> 00:21:36,667
When I was 20,
my first court case,

336
00:21:36,668 --> 00:21:39,094
my two co-defendants
both ratted me

337
00:21:39,099 --> 00:21:41,439
out to the police
under pressure.

338
00:21:43,449 --> 00:21:46,326
And they both became...

339
00:21:46,330 --> 00:21:48,315
Crown witnesses.

340
00:21:52,825 --> 00:21:57,294
And I refused,
under principle.

341
00:21:57,303 --> 00:22:00,142
And, but it's not that
I didn't think about it.

342
00:22:01,621 --> 00:22:06,253
I don't believe in martyrs.
I don't think,

343
00:22:06,261 --> 00:22:09,291
some very rare exceptions,
that people should be martyrs,

344
00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:12,714
but I think people
should certainly take risks.

345
00:22:12,724 --> 00:22:17,289
Understand carefully
what the risks are

346
00:22:17,298 --> 00:22:18,890
and what the opportunities
for the situation are,

347
00:22:18,898 --> 00:22:20,883
and make sure these
are in balance.

348
00:22:20,884 --> 00:22:23,854
Sometimes, the risk
can be very high,

349
00:22:23,857 --> 00:22:26,897
but the opportunity
can also be extremely high,

350
00:22:26,898 --> 00:22:28,655
and by opportunity I mean

351
00:22:28,656 --> 00:22:31,533
for things that you care about.

352
00:22:31,536 --> 00:22:32,975
We need to keep things
in perspective.

353
00:22:32,976 --> 00:22:34,319
I mean, there's...

354
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,934
the risk of inaction
is extremely high,

355
00:22:37,935 --> 00:22:39,537
and every day
you live your life,

356
00:22:39,538 --> 00:22:42,733
you lose another day of life.

357
00:22:42,734 --> 00:22:45,611
What's the risk
of just sitting there?

358
00:22:45,614 --> 00:22:47,273
I mean, you just lost a day.

359
00:22:47,278 --> 00:22:49,196
You just died a day.

360
00:22:49,198 --> 00:22:51,365
You don't have that many,
so...

361
00:22:57,675 --> 00:22:59,689
If you're not fighting
for the things

362
00:22:59,692 --> 00:23:01,965
that you care about,
and every day is disappearing,

363
00:23:01,966 --> 00:23:04,486
then, I mean, you are losing.

364
00:23:14,281 --> 00:23:17,672
That's your machine.

365
00:23:17,673 --> 00:23:21,154
It's up here.

366
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,637
Pick it up so it
doesn't go somewhere else.

367
00:23:22,638 --> 00:23:23,878
Shit!

368
00:23:23,879 --> 00:23:25,192
And then you just rip that...

369
00:23:25,193 --> 00:23:27,684
Pick it up
and press the green button.

370
00:23:32,357 --> 00:23:36,356
Yes,
you called on this box.

371
00:23:39,106 --> 00:23:41,762
Julian Assange.

372
00:23:41,763 --> 00:23:43,643
No, I was in the house.

373
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,110
It's about you getting
your mind into

374
00:24:34,113 --> 00:24:38,079
not using language
that sounds hostile to women

375
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,190
or to suggest that in general,

376
00:24:40,192 --> 00:24:42,078
women are absolutely entitled

377
00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:43,546
to bring cases
against men who rape.

378
00:24:43,550 --> 00:24:45,948
Your position is,
I'm not one of them.

379
00:24:45,950 --> 00:24:48,501
You know?
So you have to sort of

380
00:24:48,509 --> 00:24:50,907
find the language that,
you know...

381
00:24:50,909 --> 00:24:53,498
that helps you
to explain that,

382
00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:55,994
other than sounding as if
you're somebody who thinks that,

383
00:24:55,996 --> 00:25:00,058
you know,
this is all a mad...

384
00:25:00,059 --> 00:25:01,594
feminist conspiracy.

385
00:25:01,594 --> 00:25:04,309
I don't think
that's helpful to you.

386
00:25:04,314 --> 00:25:07,033
No, to say it publicly
is not helpful.

387
00:25:07,034 --> 00:25:08,377
I know,
but I'd like to persuade you

388
00:25:08,378 --> 00:25:09,941
that it isn't true as well.

389
00:25:09,945 --> 00:25:12,304
- Privately, it's...
- It feels like it to you.

390
00:25:12,313 --> 00:25:14,461
Privately,
it's a social democratic party

391
00:25:14,462 --> 00:25:18,868
plus general influence
from the government.

392
00:25:18,872 --> 00:25:22,390
It's just a thoroughly...

393
00:25:22,391 --> 00:25:26,101
tawdry radical feminist

394
00:25:26,102 --> 00:25:28,469
political positioning thing.

395
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:33,588
It's some stereotype.

396
00:25:33,589 --> 00:25:37,262
And you stumbled
into this nest of...

397
00:25:37,268 --> 00:25:39,023
Yes.

398
00:25:39,028 --> 00:25:41,780
She started the lesbian
nightclub in Gothenburg.

399
00:25:41,781 --> 00:25:44,465
I mean, you know,
but what people would say is,

400
00:25:44,466 --> 00:25:46,701
well, you know, what's her
setting up a lesbian nightclub

401
00:25:46,706 --> 00:25:48,681
got to do with the price
of fish? You know...

402
00:25:48,689 --> 00:25:51,215
No, I know.
She's in that circle...

403
00:25:51,216 --> 00:25:53,967
- That circle of...
- She's, you know,

404
00:25:53,968 --> 00:25:56,039
the fact that somebody
is a feminist,

405
00:25:56,047 --> 00:25:57,965
and even a radical feminist,
doesn't mean...

406
00:25:57,967 --> 00:26:00,460
You know the Krens?
The police woman I have

407
00:26:00,462 --> 00:26:02,925
- been running as a tag team.
- But, Julian, you see...

408
00:26:02,926 --> 00:26:03,981
- They go to Krens.
- I want to stop you using

409
00:26:03,982 --> 00:26:05,257
that kind of language of saying

410
00:26:05,261 --> 00:26:06,604
they were running
as a tag team,

411
00:26:06,605 --> 00:26:08,322
and so on, because,
you know...

412
00:26:08,332 --> 00:26:09,608
- It's making it as if...
- Not in public. I just say...

413
00:26:09,612 --> 00:26:11,309
Yeah, but I mean, of course...

414
00:26:16,041 --> 00:26:17,928
An actual court case.

415
00:26:17,929 --> 00:26:21,420
I mean, it's going to be very,
very hard for these women.

416
00:26:21,421 --> 00:26:24,198
They'll be reviled forever

417
00:26:24,199 --> 00:26:28,934
by a large segment
of the global population,

418
00:26:28,935 --> 00:26:32,771
and so...

419
00:26:32,775 --> 00:26:36,132
I don't think
it's in their interest

420
00:26:36,135 --> 00:26:38,082
to proceed that way.

421
00:26:38,086 --> 00:26:40,484
If I was them, I would go...

422
00:26:40,486 --> 00:26:43,651
They need to save face,
so they would do something

423
00:26:43,654 --> 00:26:47,519
like we'd do a deal where

424
00:26:47,524 --> 00:26:49,289
I would apologize for anything

425
00:26:49,290 --> 00:26:51,874
that I did or didn't do

426
00:26:51,875 --> 00:26:55,165
to hurt their feelings,

427
00:26:55,171 --> 00:26:58,719
and they would say,
enough is enough.

428
00:26:58,722 --> 00:27:01,760
We didn't want...

429
00:27:01,761 --> 00:27:03,392
We obviously didn't want...

430
00:27:03,393 --> 00:27:05,723
We didn't intend
to file a complaint,

431
00:27:05,728 --> 00:27:11,486
and that's publicly agreed,
and this is too severe.

432
00:27:11,487 --> 00:27:15,803
Part of the problem in this case
is that there's two women,

433
00:27:15,805 --> 00:27:18,846
and the public just can't even
keep them separate.

434
00:27:23,802 --> 00:27:26,900
So if there was one,
you could go,

435
00:27:26,906 --> 00:27:28,786
she's a bad woman, okay?

436
00:27:28,794 --> 00:27:30,808
I think that would have
happened by now.

437
00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:34,840
This person
is a bad character...

438
00:27:34,841 --> 00:27:37,074
Bad faith,
and here's the evidence

439
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:38,549
that points for it.

440
00:27:38,550 --> 00:27:40,756
Because there's two,
it's much harder.

441
00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:54,508
I thought
I'd try and look as much

442
00:27:54,516 --> 00:27:57,067
- like the judges as possible.
- Yeah.

443
00:27:57,076 --> 00:27:58,994
It works?

444
00:28:11,219 --> 00:28:12,494
Here we are.

445
00:28:12,498 --> 00:28:14,666
Okay.

446
00:28:17,265 --> 00:28:19,432
Julian. Julian!

447
00:28:32,492 --> 00:28:35,500
- Sir, sir! Sir!
- How do you feel?

448
00:28:35,501 --> 00:28:37,419
A man who's been involved
in exposing

449
00:28:37,421 --> 00:28:40,430
the crimes of the U.S. Empire
is under threats,

450
00:28:40,431 --> 00:28:43,659
or potentially being extradited
to the United States.

451
00:28:43,660 --> 00:28:46,058
It seems very likely to
be a malicious

452
00:28:46,060 --> 00:28:47,978
prosecution against him,
and that's why I'm here

453
00:28:47,980 --> 00:28:49,226
to show my solidarity.

454
00:28:54,665 --> 00:28:56,813
If he assaulted the women,
then that's a different case,

455
00:28:56,814 --> 00:28:58,824
and it's important
that he answers to that,

456
00:28:58,825 --> 00:29:02,216
and he has to answer to her,
but at the moment,

457
00:29:02,217 --> 00:29:04,576
I don't know,
and whatever he did there,

458
00:29:04,585 --> 00:29:06,503
I still support
what he's doing with Wikileaks.

459
00:29:19,495 --> 00:29:22,854
How confident are you
of a win?

460
00:29:22,855 --> 00:29:24,581
Step back, gentlemen.
Give a little space.

461
00:29:52,514 --> 00:29:54,977
<i>Production journal.</i>

462
00:29:54,978 --> 00:29:58,753
<i>This is not the film
I thought I was making.</i>

463
00:29:58,754 --> 00:30:01,948
<i>I thought I could ignore
the contradictions.</i>

464
00:30:01,953 --> 00:30:05,339
<i>I thought they were
not part of the story.</i>

465
00:30:05,345 --> 00:30:07,550
<i>I was so wrong.</i>

466
00:30:07,552 --> 00:30:09,470
<i>They are becoming the story.</i>

467
00:30:29,789 --> 00:30:32,379
So click save.

468
00:30:54,460 --> 00:30:56,864
You're in a region
that is extremely valuable

469
00:30:56,865 --> 00:30:58,778
to wiretap,
and you are almost certainly

470
00:30:58,780 --> 00:31:00,986
being monitored.

471
00:31:00,988 --> 00:31:02,590
In Tunisia, we know
that this is happening.

472
00:31:02,591 --> 00:31:04,188
- Yes.
- So that's true for all of us

473
00:31:04,189 --> 00:31:06,105
right now, no question,
and if you look,

474
00:31:06,107 --> 00:31:07,613
you can see that this
is the case, because

475
00:31:07,614 --> 00:31:09,299
- some websites are blocked.
- Yes.

476
00:31:09,307 --> 00:31:11,541
In Syria, they use devices
called bluecoat.

477
00:31:11,546 --> 00:31:14,107
They record everything
that goes in and out of Syria,

478
00:31:14,108 --> 00:31:15,706
so every time
you send an e-mail,

479
00:31:15,707 --> 00:31:17,460
they record the entire thing.

480
00:31:17,465 --> 00:31:19,930
Think about it in terms
of safe sex, right?

481
00:31:19,931 --> 00:31:21,300
And this is the same thing.

482
00:31:21,304 --> 00:31:24,047
People are practicing
unsafe computing,

483
00:31:24,056 --> 00:31:27,383
sometimes, in some places,
the result of that is death.

484
00:31:27,384 --> 00:31:28,726
So you have to make
those choices and know

485
00:31:28,727 --> 00:31:31,278
that there are options,
but just like condoms,

486
00:31:31,287 --> 00:31:32,821
- well, they could break.
- Yeah.

487
00:31:32,822 --> 00:31:34,894
And you're in a world of hurt.

488
00:31:34,902 --> 00:31:36,340
That's maybe not the greatest

489
00:31:36,341 --> 00:31:38,614
and most culturally
appropriate analogy...

490
00:31:42,419 --> 00:31:45,334
Well, I'm glad one of you did.
That's awkward.

491
00:31:48,081 --> 00:31:50,056
Good times.

492
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,839
Technology can always
be used in two ways.

493
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,758
Isn't the internet
just an infrastructure?

494
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,057
One that can be used to spread
the idea of freedom.

495
00:32:03,058 --> 00:32:05,961
- But also to control people.
- Yeah, of course.

496
00:32:05,967 --> 00:32:07,914
The infrastructure
as we build it today...

497
00:32:07,918 --> 00:32:09,932
In a way that has
never been possible before.

498
00:32:09,934 --> 00:32:12,716
Well, I don't know.
I mean, it depends.

499
00:32:12,717 --> 00:32:14,892
I think the scary thing
is the control thing.

500
00:32:14,893 --> 00:32:16,168
There's control that is

501
00:32:16,172 --> 00:32:18,311
afforded now that
is unlike anything else

502
00:32:18,315 --> 00:32:19,850
that has ever happened.

503
00:32:19,851 --> 00:32:22,440
At the same time,
the avenues for communication

504
00:32:22,442 --> 00:32:25,289
are everything we had
before plus this.

505
00:32:25,290 --> 00:32:28,203
Maybe that allows for us
to build new alternatives

506
00:32:28,204 --> 00:32:30,568
that previously were not
possible without the internet.

507
00:32:30,569 --> 00:32:32,545
I think that that is the case.
That's what we think

508
00:32:32,552 --> 00:32:34,624
that we're doing with Tor.

509
00:32:34,632 --> 00:32:37,606
Don't you give bad guys
a hideout?

510
00:32:37,607 --> 00:32:41,281
No. I mean,
not any more than,

511
00:32:41,287 --> 00:32:43,913
for example, roads help
terrorists to travel...

512
00:32:43,914 --> 00:32:45,638
- Yeah.
- Or trains or something

513
00:32:45,638 --> 00:32:48,324
like that, or airplanes.
I mean, what we do is we ensure

514
00:32:48,326 --> 00:32:50,599
that every person,
not one person excluded,

515
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,084
has the right to read
and the right to speak freely,

516
00:32:54,085 --> 00:32:57,278
with no exceptions.

517
00:33:05,954 --> 00:33:08,646
So what happened in Egypt,
they did use all these

518
00:33:08,647 --> 00:33:10,877
completely insecure
communications mechanisms...

519
00:33:12,281 --> 00:33:14,400
but they did it quickly,

520
00:33:14,401 --> 00:33:16,002
so they were able
to communicate quickly

521
00:33:16,003 --> 00:33:18,715
because they use insecure
communications mechanisms.

522
00:33:18,721 --> 00:33:21,272
And so you whip,
a political situation

523
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,735
was whipped up
and evolved much faster

524
00:33:23,744 --> 00:33:26,303
than their opponents
could see it,

525
00:33:26,304 --> 00:33:28,671
understand it,
and act on it.

526
00:33:28,672 --> 00:33:31,040
So, I think that
the general principle

527
00:33:31,041 --> 00:33:32,478
you have there is true,

528
00:33:32,479 --> 00:33:34,717
but I don't think
that it actually

529
00:33:34,718 --> 00:33:36,694
is the case that,
in the long run,

530
00:33:36,702 --> 00:33:38,226
all of those
insecure technologies

531
00:33:38,237 --> 00:33:40,213
will actually benefit them.

532
00:33:40,220 --> 00:33:43,547
In Tunisia, we were told that
people in Syria were killed.

533
00:33:43,548 --> 00:33:46,907
How many people are you
willing to sacrifice

534
00:33:46,908 --> 00:33:48,950
in order to get
the political gain,

535
00:33:48,955 --> 00:33:52,216
or if you were
one of those people,

536
00:33:52,219 --> 00:33:55,221
how much of your own life
are you willing to risk

537
00:33:55,226 --> 00:33:57,019
in order to get
that political gain?

538
00:33:57,020 --> 00:33:59,348
- Well, part of...
- And that actually...

539
00:33:59,353 --> 00:34:03,351
you might be willing
to risk rather a lot,

540
00:34:03,352 --> 00:34:06,071
and if you slow
everyone down such that

541
00:34:06,072 --> 00:34:08,056
you're not going to get
the political gain at all,

542
00:34:08,057 --> 00:34:10,616
yes, you might protect people,
but on the other hand,

543
00:34:10,617 --> 00:34:12,783
you're not...
are you protecting people

544
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:15,188
by permitting a situation
to continue where you have

545
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:17,108
20,000 political prisoners?

546
00:34:17,110 --> 00:34:19,507
That's not protecting
people either.

547
00:34:19,509 --> 00:34:21,014
It's just that I'm not clear

548
00:34:21,015 --> 00:34:22,614
if they understand
what will happen.

549
00:34:22,615 --> 00:34:25,164
I think most people
don't understand data retention.

550
00:34:25,172 --> 00:34:26,573
I don't think it works
like that, actually.

551
00:34:26,580 --> 00:34:28,307
I think that you have
a short-term crisis,

552
00:34:28,308 --> 00:34:31,722
and you decide that the ability
to activate quickly

553
00:34:31,731 --> 00:34:35,376
and en masse is more important
than preventing

554
00:34:35,379 --> 00:34:37,651
the internet from forming
a long-term profile on them.

555
00:34:37,652 --> 00:34:40,144
People just don't understand
the threat model.

556
00:34:40,146 --> 00:34:42,227
And there's two
different threat models here,

557
00:34:42,228 --> 00:34:45,802
'cause there's one
where they know who you are,

558
00:34:45,809 --> 00:34:48,149
and they're going to spend
a certain amount of resources

559
00:34:48,150 --> 00:34:50,607
on targeting you

560
00:34:50,608 --> 00:34:52,459
and following you physically,

561
00:34:52,464 --> 00:34:56,780
and the other is they don't
yet know who you are.

562
00:34:56,782 --> 00:34:59,333
So as long and as long
as you keep your anonymity,

563
00:34:59,342 --> 00:35:01,318
you don't end up
in this first category.

564
00:35:01,325 --> 00:35:04,298
And once you're in this
first category, it's very hard.

565
00:35:04,301 --> 00:35:07,811
I'm in this first category.

566
00:35:07,821 --> 00:35:11,019
You're in this first category.

567
00:35:22,699 --> 00:35:24,454
Keep your head forward

568
00:35:24,458 --> 00:35:25,964
so I don't cut your neck.

569
00:35:25,965 --> 00:35:27,976
- Do you wanna do that?
- We'll just trim...

570
00:35:30,378 --> 00:35:31,575
That's mine.

571
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:39,519
Little rat tail there.

572
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:43,327
Could you look for
the Occupy London photo?

573
00:35:43,334 --> 00:35:45,156
And make sure the sound's up.

574
00:36:01,411 --> 00:36:04,988
No. I don't want to cut it
too short in the back.

575
00:36:18,721 --> 00:36:19,968
Julian,
you just need to wash it.

576
00:36:22,208 --> 00:36:23,807
Cut it extra.

577
00:37:00,764 --> 00:37:03,644
Three guys arrive,
and they approach him,

578
00:37:03,645 --> 00:37:05,717
and they say, FBI.

579
00:37:05,724 --> 00:37:09,081
- They asked about my...
- About your name

580
00:37:09,084 --> 00:37:12,277
and his involvement with you,
and they said,

581
00:37:12,283 --> 00:37:14,393
you were involved
with Wikileaks, right?

582
00:37:14,395 --> 00:37:17,752
And we have been
following you.

583
00:37:17,755 --> 00:37:19,835
They admitted that they
have been following you...

584
00:37:19,836 --> 00:37:22,903
and we are contacting you
because we want to ask you

585
00:37:22,906 --> 00:37:24,824
- some questions, and...
- Like what?

586
00:37:24,826 --> 00:37:27,160
Well, very general stuff,

587
00:37:27,161 --> 00:37:30,191
like, we want to know
your relationship

588
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,518
with Julian Assange.
General stuff like that.

589
00:37:39,382 --> 00:37:40,369
No.

590
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:43,925
It's two guys.

591
00:37:46,549 --> 00:37:48,917
- Shall I continue, or...
- Go have a look at it.

592
00:37:48,918 --> 00:37:51,382
Just have a look there, Laura?

593
00:38:10,674 --> 00:38:11,796
This question
about communication

594
00:38:11,797 --> 00:38:13,233
with Manning, for example,

595
00:38:13,234 --> 00:38:15,632
that's clearly the most
important question...

596
00:38:15,634 --> 00:38:17,072
- Yes.
- I've heard so far, but...

597
00:38:17,073 --> 00:38:19,950
I said,
did I mention Jacob?

598
00:38:19,953 --> 00:38:22,706
And he said, no,
they didn't mention Jacob.

599
00:38:22,706 --> 00:38:24,751
They just mentioned Julian.

600
00:38:24,752 --> 00:38:26,507
Because they mentioned
you again.

601
00:38:26,512 --> 00:38:28,277
Wikileaks and Julian Assange,
because of the Manning case.

602
00:38:28,278 --> 00:38:30,669
- In the car?
- In the one...

603
00:38:30,671 --> 00:38:32,110
the three spooks.

604
00:38:32,111 --> 00:38:34,029
- Yeah.
- When they were trying

605
00:38:34,031 --> 00:38:36,177
to make him
answer the questions,

606
00:38:36,178 --> 00:38:38,735
because the metro was closed,
that what they could do

607
00:38:38,736 --> 00:38:42,187
is give him a ride on the car

608
00:38:42,189 --> 00:38:43,820
to the house
that he was staying at,

609
00:38:43,821 --> 00:38:46,218
because he...
and he said to them

610
00:38:46,220 --> 00:38:49,385
that he was staying alone
in the house.

611
00:38:49,388 --> 00:38:51,623
He is such a fucking idiot.

612
00:38:51,627 --> 00:38:53,707
Get into a car
with three FBI guys.

613
00:38:53,708 --> 00:38:55,145
- Yeah. All right. Yeah.
- Yeah. Yeah.

614
00:38:55,146 --> 00:38:57,381
And said,
what you have to do now

615
00:38:57,385 --> 00:38:59,457
is to call this and this and
this and this and this person...

616
00:39:05,702 --> 00:39:09,347
- Go on.
- That's his security...

617
00:39:21,092 --> 00:39:23,979
I bumped into four people
I knew in Sweden.

618
00:39:23,980 --> 00:39:26,370
They all say the same thing.

619
00:39:26,372 --> 00:39:30,051
That Wikileaks has lost ground
because of you.

620
00:39:30,052 --> 00:39:32,258
Doesn't matter when you go
yes, but you know,

621
00:39:32,260 --> 00:39:34,015
Wikileaks is him.

622
00:39:34,020 --> 00:39:35,621
It's all his ideas,
and all that,

623
00:39:35,622 --> 00:39:38,017
that almost puts them
off even more.

624
00:39:38,019 --> 00:39:41,954
You, I mean,
you're toxic there.

625
00:39:41,955 --> 00:39:45,665
They all say, apologize.

626
00:39:45,666 --> 00:39:47,546
I'm not telling you
this is what I'm saying.

627
00:39:47,554 --> 00:39:48,992
I'm just passing on
what they...

628
00:39:48,993 --> 00:39:50,815
- So...
- I'm just passing on...

629
00:39:50,816 --> 00:39:53,789
500 days of detention
without a judge.

630
00:39:53,792 --> 00:39:55,423
Yeah.

631
00:39:55,424 --> 00:39:57,533
The only person
who put it differently

632
00:39:57,535 --> 00:40:00,990
was Thomas Olsen,
who said,

633
00:40:00,991 --> 00:40:03,062
you need to address
the issue.

634
00:40:03,070 --> 00:40:04,374
And he said what you do
is you need

635
00:40:04,382 --> 00:40:07,901
to address the girls, say,

636
00:40:07,902 --> 00:40:10,269
I'm sorry you felt that way.

637
00:40:10,270 --> 00:40:12,092
I wasn't disregarding you.

638
00:40:12,093 --> 00:40:13,951
Da-da-da.
That sort of thing.

639
00:40:13,952 --> 00:40:15,579
Well sure,
just fly her over,

640
00:40:15,580 --> 00:40:18,582
I'm sure she'll be happy
to have a private meeting.

641
00:40:18,587 --> 00:40:21,177
- USW?
- Yeah.

642
00:40:21,179 --> 00:40:24,985
- You being sarcastic?
- No.

643
00:40:26,286 --> 00:40:28,659
If you can demonstrate

644
00:40:28,666 --> 00:40:30,488
that due process
hasn't been followed,

645
00:40:30,489 --> 00:40:31,860
that will really
upset the Swedes,

646
00:40:31,864 --> 00:40:33,619
'cause they're a stickler
for process.

647
00:40:33,624 --> 00:40:34,909
- What? No, they're not.
- No, I know they're not...

648
00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:36,400
They're not
a stickler for process.

649
00:40:36,407 --> 00:40:37,779
- Because every time...
- They're a stickler

650
00:40:37,782 --> 00:40:39,383
for pretending
that there's process.

651
00:40:39,384 --> 00:40:40,821
Yeah,
but you've got to...

652
00:40:40,822 --> 00:40:42,577
We have been demonstrating,
again and again

653
00:40:42,582 --> 00:40:44,020
and again, that their due
process hasn't been followed.

654
00:40:44,021 --> 00:40:45,613
Yes, I know.
That's why I said I disagreed.

655
00:40:45,621 --> 00:40:47,385
And I said, well, you know,
here's why...

656
00:40:47,386 --> 00:40:51,217
- That's why they hate me.
- Anyway, then they...

657
00:40:51,221 --> 00:40:54,259
Yeah, I'm sure they
much prefer to fuck me

658
00:40:54,260 --> 00:40:56,686
and have no whimpering sounds.

659
00:40:56,691 --> 00:41:00,335
This is my debrief,
so can you keep quiet?

660
00:41:00,338 --> 00:41:02,640
- Go on.
- Because every time I say,

661
00:41:02,642 --> 00:41:05,653
well, they're like,
he should just come back.

662
00:41:05,654 --> 00:41:09,447
- And say, and get the...
- Get into that prison cell.

663
00:41:09,456 --> 00:41:11,403
Yeah.

664
00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:38,057
Hi. I'll put him on.

665
00:41:39,853 --> 00:41:41,809
Hello?

666
00:41:44,524 --> 00:41:47,436
Yeah, of course.
Well, you need to say that.

667
00:41:47,437 --> 00:41:49,422
That these are weasel words.

668
00:41:51,883 --> 00:41:54,242
No, fuck that. You don't need
to worry about that.

669
00:41:54,252 --> 00:41:57,157
The U.S. is having...
has an active grand jury

670
00:41:57,163 --> 00:41:59,753
with FBI agents detaining
people at airports.

671
00:42:04,362 --> 00:42:06,050
Oh, no, they're not.
That's a lie.

672
00:42:07,432 --> 00:42:09,283
No, it's a grand jury.
It's secret.

673
00:42:09,288 --> 00:42:12,007
All you have to do
is quote... no, no.

674
00:42:12,008 --> 00:42:14,088
No, no, no.
All you have to do is quote

675
00:42:14,089 --> 00:42:16,034
what was in
the Sydney Morning Herald

676
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:18,245
from the Australian
government's own material,

677
00:42:18,247 --> 00:42:21,728
which is, it cannot
be confirmed on the record.

678
00:42:22,916 --> 00:42:25,828
I.e. it can be confirmed
off the record.

679
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:27,843
Witnesses who have been
dragged in have

680
00:42:27,845 --> 00:42:30,146
released their subpoenas,
have been on the steps

681
00:42:30,148 --> 00:42:31,424
of the grand jury.

682
00:43:08,705 --> 00:43:12,157
<i>Julian runs the organization
like an intelligence agency.</i>

683
00:43:12,161 --> 00:43:15,392
<i>Using code names,
denial and deception,</i>

684
00:43:15,393 --> 00:43:17,407
<i>compartmentalization.</i>

685
00:43:19,838 --> 00:43:22,073
<i>He's teaching me things
about secrecy</i>

686
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:25,627
<i>I didn't realize
I needed to learn.</i>

687
00:43:25,630 --> 00:43:27,836
<i>I don't know
what he's planning.</i>

688
00:43:27,838 --> 00:43:30,398
<i>I'm only able to see
one step ahead.</i>

689
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:38,719
Hi.

690
00:45:39,220 --> 00:45:41,193
How's it going?

691
00:45:43,698 --> 00:45:46,230
But don't... don't tell
that journalist,

692
00:45:46,231 --> 00:45:48,624
and,... yeah,

693
00:45:48,626 --> 00:45:50,224
any journalists.

694
00:45:50,225 --> 00:45:51,980
Yeah, well,
tell him to bugger off.

695
00:46:13,421 --> 00:46:15,183
Those who support
Julian Assange believe

696
00:46:15,184 --> 00:46:17,320
that his extradition
is only the beginning

697
00:46:17,325 --> 00:46:19,243
of a very long process
that could land

698
00:46:19,245 --> 00:46:22,506
the whistleblower
in a U.S. prison.

699
00:47:03,818 --> 00:47:06,733
In the last few moments,
the UK's Supreme Court

700
00:47:06,734 --> 00:47:08,811
has dismissed the appeal
of Julian Assange,

701
00:47:08,812 --> 00:47:11,524
effectively paving the way
for him to be extradited

702
00:47:11,530 --> 00:47:13,484
to Sweden
within the next ten days.

703
00:47:13,485 --> 00:47:15,495
He is not being charged
with any crime.

704
00:47:15,497 --> 00:47:17,636
At this stage,
he is only wanted in Sweden

705
00:47:17,641 --> 00:47:20,834
for questioning in relation
to some sexual allegations

706
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,695
of which Mr. Assange denies.

707
00:47:22,696 --> 00:47:25,889
Assange was not in court for
that judgment to be handed down.

708
00:47:25,895 --> 00:47:28,619
We understand he wanted to be
but was caught in traffic.

709
00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:30,533
He was not in court,

710
00:47:30,535 --> 00:47:33,259
although he may well be
watching it here on television.

711
00:47:49,477 --> 00:47:51,146
I'm fine.

712
00:48:50,528 --> 00:48:53,279
Well, we're told that
he is inside this embassy here.

713
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,128
We're not getting a lot
of information on the ground.

714
00:48:56,129 --> 00:49:00,251
His supporters even were caught
by surprise by this move.

715
00:49:09,629 --> 00:49:12,284
Yes, we considered
many countries.

716
00:49:12,285 --> 00:49:15,191
However, on our analysis,

717
00:49:15,197 --> 00:49:21,755
Ecuador was the most likely
to agree to the asylum.

718
00:49:21,756 --> 00:49:23,165
A lot of support in Iceland,

719
00:49:23,166 --> 00:49:25,398
and Iceland was moving
in that direction,

720
00:49:25,403 --> 00:49:27,321
but, unfortunately,
they were

721
00:49:27,323 --> 00:49:30,200
simply not far enough.

722
00:49:30,203 --> 00:49:33,272
Well, we say that my activities
are protected

723
00:49:33,275 --> 00:49:36,344
by the first amendment, but
it's all a matter of politics.

724
00:49:36,347 --> 00:49:39,799
Laws are interpreted by judges.

725
00:49:41,913 --> 00:49:44,760
In any event, we require
that the United States

726
00:49:44,761 --> 00:49:46,871
guarantee that it does not apply

727
00:49:46,873 --> 00:49:50,072
the death penalty
in my extradition.

728
00:49:50,073 --> 00:49:53,237
However, it still could
be life imprisonment

729
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:54,679
or 30 years of imprisonment,

730
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,557
and the conditions
might be very severe.

731
00:50:06,198 --> 00:50:07,991
Well, there's still
an awful lot of people here,

732
00:50:07,992 --> 00:50:10,100
not just supporters of Assange,

733
00:50:10,102 --> 00:50:12,276
but also passersby wondering
what on earth is going on.

734
00:50:12,277 --> 00:50:13,716
Of course, as I'm sure
you can imagine,

735
00:50:13,717 --> 00:50:16,594
there's a lot
of media here too.

736
00:50:16,597 --> 00:50:19,790
The UK previously sent
a letter,

737
00:50:19,796 --> 00:50:22,194
which has been
interpreted by Ecuador

738
00:50:22,196 --> 00:50:24,754
as a threat
to storm the embassy

739
00:50:24,755 --> 00:50:27,824
and get Assange out
by any means necessary.

740
00:50:27,827 --> 00:50:30,858
That didn't go down very well
with the Ecuadorians at all.

741
00:50:30,866 --> 00:50:32,631
They said that it was an act

742
00:50:32,632 --> 00:50:35,599
that was not fitting
of a civilized nation.

743
00:51:04,973 --> 00:51:06,699
And even in a state of war,

744
00:51:06,701 --> 00:51:09,386
even if the UK was at war
with Ecuador,

745
00:51:09,388 --> 00:51:11,143
they do not have the right
to go into the mission.

746
00:51:13,706 --> 00:51:15,662
Yeah.

747
00:51:30,855 --> 00:51:34,528
The news that Julian Assange
has been granted asylum

748
00:51:34,536 --> 00:51:36,586
by the Ecuadorian government
is slowly spreading

749
00:51:36,587 --> 00:51:38,243
through a large,
substantial crowd

750
00:51:38,247 --> 00:51:40,261
here outside
the Ecuadorian embassy,

751
00:51:40,263 --> 00:51:43,965
but the British government is
insisting it changes nothing.

752
00:52:20,164 --> 00:52:22,149
How pathetic is that?

753
00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:31,227
A press conference
with all of the London media,

754
00:52:31,234 --> 00:52:33,377
who hate us,

755
00:52:33,378 --> 00:52:36,351
and doing it live
to the world.

756
00:52:36,354 --> 00:52:38,109
It'll be fine.

757
00:52:38,114 --> 00:52:40,348
I'm fucking terrified.

758
00:52:40,353 --> 00:52:42,175
I'll read it to you.

759
00:52:45,822 --> 00:52:48,094
I'm so scared.
Okay.

760
00:52:48,095 --> 00:52:50,974
You'll be fine.

761
00:52:50,975 --> 00:52:52,539
Thanks for coming.

762
00:52:52,542 --> 00:52:54,269
I'm going to talk a bit
about today's release.

763
00:52:54,270 --> 00:52:55,737
Then we'll key
through our interface.

764
00:52:55,741 --> 00:52:58,580
Then I'll take a few questions
at the end.

765
00:52:58,588 --> 00:53:00,564
Just now, at 11:00 a.m. BST,

766
00:53:00,571 --> 00:53:03,257
Wikileaks began publishing
the Syria files.

767
00:53:03,259 --> 00:53:05,369
Over the next two months,
groundbreaking stories...

768
00:53:05,370 --> 00:53:07,893
No.
You have to look up.

769
00:53:09,177 --> 00:53:12,016
But you're doing
really well otherwise.

770
00:53:12,024 --> 00:53:13,683
- Over the next two months...
- No.

771
00:53:14,688 --> 00:53:15,414
Don't...

772
00:53:15,415 --> 00:53:17,458
Just read it
in your head, so buffer up.

773
00:53:17,463 --> 00:53:21,616
Go, get the first four words
into my head,

774
00:53:21,622 --> 00:53:23,445
then look up and speak them.

775
00:53:23,445 --> 00:53:27,540
Okay.
So here we go.

776
00:53:27,541 --> 00:53:30,166
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange
cannot be with us today,

777
00:53:30,167 --> 00:53:33,042
but has given this comment
on the Syria files.

778
00:53:33,045 --> 00:53:35,095
The material
is embarrassing to Syria,

779
00:53:35,096 --> 00:53:37,653
but it is also embarrassing
to Syria's opponents.

780
00:53:37,654 --> 00:53:40,337
It helps us not merely to
criticize one group or another,

781
00:53:40,339 --> 00:53:42,900
but to understand
their interests, actions,

782
00:53:42,901 --> 00:53:44,817
and thoughts.

783
00:53:46,130 --> 00:53:48,172
We don't just be
pissing off Assad,

784
00:53:48,178 --> 00:53:50,135
we'll be pissing off
his enemies as well.

785
00:53:57,808 --> 00:54:00,335
Okay, give
me a couple of questions.

786
00:54:00,336 --> 00:54:02,801
The one
that I'm most nervous about...

787
00:54:02,802 --> 00:54:07,211
is the typical one,
the girlfriend one,

788
00:54:07,215 --> 00:54:08,980
and I just give a funny look,
and Joseph says,

789
00:54:08,981 --> 00:54:11,756
that's enough on this topic.

790
00:54:11,758 --> 00:54:14,568
Just imagine that they're
a piece of shit on your shoe.

791
00:54:14,574 --> 00:54:16,645
A piece of dog shit.

792
00:54:16,653 --> 00:54:20,012
Don't look at all scared.
Just look, what?

793
00:54:20,013 --> 00:54:22,084
- Oh, please.
- Ridiculous question right now.

794
00:54:22,092 --> 00:54:24,547
No, no, no, just,
oh, please.

795
00:54:24,556 --> 00:54:27,210
- Yeah.
- Do the feminine thing.

796
00:54:27,211 --> 00:54:30,280
You've assaulted my femininity.

797
00:54:30,283 --> 00:54:32,805
How dare you?

798
00:54:32,810 --> 00:54:35,081
Thanks for coming.

799
00:54:35,082 --> 00:54:38,918
Just now, at 11:00 a.m. BST,
Wikileaks began publishing

800
00:54:38,922 --> 00:54:42,089
the Syria files.
More than 2 million e-mails

801
00:54:42,090 --> 00:54:44,487
from Syrian political figures,
ministries,

802
00:54:44,489 --> 00:54:46,628
and associated companies.

803
00:54:46,633 --> 00:54:48,838
This extraordinary data
set derives from

804
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,801
680 Syrian-related
entities or domain names,

805
00:54:52,808 --> 00:54:54,246
including those
of the ministries

806
00:54:54,247 --> 00:54:56,712
of presidential affairs,
foreign affairs,

807
00:54:56,713 --> 00:54:58,566
finance, information,

808
00:54:58,567 --> 00:55:00,197
transport, and culture.

809
00:55:00,198 --> 00:55:02,788
We'll take a very
limited amount of questions,

810
00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:05,926
but I know Julian is
very newsworthy at the moment.

811
00:55:05,927 --> 00:55:09,635
Can we just keep the questions
to do with the release?

812
00:55:09,636 --> 00:55:11,429
Does this mean Wikileaks
is back on top

813
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:13,633
and able to continue
publishing new data

814
00:55:13,635 --> 00:55:16,704
after quite a hiatus
of not doing so?

815
00:55:18,467 --> 00:55:20,634
Can you give us
any headlines from this?

816
00:55:20,642 --> 00:55:21,946
Anything that we can
take away from this

817
00:55:21,954 --> 00:55:23,105
before going through
the interface,

818
00:55:23,106 --> 00:55:24,794
and...

819
00:55:24,801 --> 00:55:26,882
just the latest on Mr. Assange
and what he's feeling

820
00:55:26,883 --> 00:55:28,799
there in the Ecuadorian
embassy right now.

821
00:55:28,801 --> 00:55:30,271
And Mr. Assange?

822
00:55:30,272 --> 00:55:32,631
As my colleague said, we...

823
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:33,628
Can we just keep
the questions...

824
00:55:33,631 --> 00:55:36,633
This isn't about Mr. Assange.

825
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:40,830
And this is another... we did
the GI files earlier this year,

826
00:55:40,831 --> 00:55:44,859
and then this is the second
large release of this year...

827
00:55:44,863 --> 00:55:47,677
- That's good.
- That we are continuing.

828
00:55:47,678 --> 00:55:49,942
I don't know if there's
a rebranding.

829
00:55:51,357 --> 00:55:54,081
We're up to, like,
150 tweets a minute.

830
00:56:23,547 --> 00:56:25,561
<i>Production journal.</i>

831
00:56:27,515 --> 00:56:31,255
<i>I had a nightmare
that hung with me for days.</i>

832
00:56:31,259 --> 00:56:35,028
<i>Julian was being detained
at a U.S. military base...</i>

833
00:56:37,497 --> 00:56:40,604
<i>I'd been off the radar
since I started editing.</i>

834
00:56:42,552 --> 00:56:45,755
<i>I should check in with Sarah
so they don't freak out.</i>

835
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:09,699
See, my profile didn't really
take off until the sex case.

836
00:57:10,101 --> 00:57:11,827
- Oh, it was pretty...
- No, no, it was very,

837
00:57:11,828 --> 00:57:14,255
very high among media circles

838
00:57:14,260 --> 00:57:16,686
and intelligence circles
and so on,

839
00:57:16,691 --> 00:57:18,925
but it didn't really,
really take off

840
00:57:18,930 --> 00:57:24,042
as if I was a globally
recognized household name.

841
00:57:24,049 --> 00:57:26,224
That wasn't until
the sex case.

842
00:57:26,225 --> 00:57:30,732
So I was joking
to one of our people,

843
00:57:30,736 --> 00:57:33,258
sex scandal every six months.

844
00:57:34,702 --> 00:57:36,371
I think that was me
you were joking to...

845
00:57:36,372 --> 00:57:37,421
Is the way to...

846
00:57:37,422 --> 00:57:38,765
And I died
a little bit inside.

847
00:57:38,766 --> 00:57:40,844
Is the way to...

848
00:57:40,845 --> 00:57:43,176
That's gonna keep our profile,
isn't it, Sarah?

849
00:57:43,180 --> 00:57:46,125
Big grin, and I was like,
please, please, please don't.

850
00:57:46,126 --> 00:57:49,258
I will kill you
on every level available.

851
00:57:49,259 --> 00:57:52,201
Come on. It's a platform.

852
00:57:52,202 --> 00:57:54,187
You have a platform.

853
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,594
Oh, they didn't move.

854
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:08,584
This is incredible.

855
00:58:13,124 --> 00:58:15,330
Those are the guys
I encouraged to let you go.

856
00:58:15,333 --> 00:58:18,114
So, you know,
please don't share this

857
00:58:18,116 --> 00:58:20,003
with anybody,
not a single soul,

858
00:58:20,004 --> 00:58:22,075
but, you know, let's talk
about it and figure it out.

859
00:58:22,083 --> 00:58:23,675
This is clearly a man
in the middle, right?

860
00:58:23,683 --> 00:58:25,925
We tried to connect to Tor
project's web server.

861
00:58:25,926 --> 00:58:27,677
It says that
it's five hops upstream,

862
00:58:27,682 --> 00:58:31,009
and then it closes
the connection.

863
00:58:31,010 --> 00:58:32,928
I'm gonna give you
a whole bunch of stuff, which...

864
00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:35,327
I have no idea.
So if you prepare me...

865
00:58:35,329 --> 00:58:37,468
What the fuck is that?
You can't even...

866
00:58:37,473 --> 00:58:39,647
You don't even have
a bathrobe that fits you?

867
00:58:39,648 --> 00:58:40,770
Do we need to go
shopping for you?

868
00:58:41,171 --> 00:58:41,918
No.

869
00:58:41,919 --> 00:58:43,326
If you prepare me...

870
00:58:43,327 --> 00:58:46,712
- Does that say boss on it?
- Yeah. If you...

871
00:58:46,718 --> 00:58:49,028
If you prepare me...

872
00:58:49,629 --> 00:58:55,547
a bootable USB
or external drive

873
00:58:55,549 --> 00:58:59,067
with an onion server
that goes to a shell,

874
00:58:59,068 --> 00:59:02,521
then you can get
on this network,

875
00:59:02,524 --> 00:59:04,314
and you can do the tests.

876
00:59:04,315 --> 00:59:07,164
Give me your computer,
and I will give you that.

877
00:59:07,164 --> 00:59:10,361
- Okay.
- We should build that with...

878
00:59:10,362 --> 00:59:11,829
- No, we should build now.
- Please get in the shower.

879
00:59:11,833 --> 00:59:13,876
You have ten minutes.
Please.

880
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:22,355
It's like you're in college.

881
00:59:22,359 --> 00:59:24,142
Where do you sleep?

882
00:59:25,397 --> 00:59:27,669
- Other side of the bookshelf.
- What?

883
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:29,079
- Yeah.
- This is your room?

884
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,316
- Yeah.
- Not mine, his.

885
00:59:31,317 --> 00:59:35,470
I get to go home at night.

886
00:59:35,476 --> 00:59:37,298
I want you to look like you
just took your shirt off,

887
00:59:37,299 --> 00:59:38,728
and you're at home,
you know?

888
00:59:38,739 --> 00:59:39,851
You should just be in your...

889
00:59:39,858 --> 00:59:41,393
in that,
like something like that,

890
00:59:41,394 --> 00:59:43,376
like a dirty fucking t-shirt
like a rebel.

891
00:59:43,377 --> 00:59:44,911
- With a stain on it.
- Not in that suit.

892
00:59:44,912 --> 00:59:47,444
- Yeah.
- Yeah.

893
00:59:50,222 --> 00:59:53,741
What's your
favorite kind of food?

894
00:59:57,101 --> 01:00:01,708
Well, I went to Malaysia.
Well, first of all...

895
01:00:01,709 --> 01:00:04,807
First of all,
let's not pretend for a moment

896
01:00:04,812 --> 01:00:07,371
that I'm a normal person.

897
01:00:07,372 --> 01:00:11,304
I am obsessed
with our political struggle.

898
01:00:11,308 --> 01:00:13,418
- I'm not a normal person.
- Right.

899
01:00:13,420 --> 01:00:15,942
I just would really like

900
01:00:15,947 --> 01:00:17,865
for you to tell me
how you feel,

901
01:00:17,867 --> 01:00:20,293
because I've been
trying to get that out of you.

902
01:00:20,298 --> 01:00:22,053
But, okay,
why does it matter how I feel?

903
01:00:22,058 --> 01:00:24,743
I mean, who gives a damn?

904
01:00:24,745 --> 01:00:30,403
I don't, see,
I don't care how I feel.

905
01:00:30,408 --> 01:00:33,542
Do you ever feel
like just fucking crying?

906
01:00:33,543 --> 01:00:34,982
- No.
- Never?

907
01:00:34,983 --> 01:00:37,542
- Never.
- Even when you're happy?

908
01:00:37,542 --> 01:00:39,298
- You love your mom?
- Yeah.

909
01:00:39,302 --> 01:00:40,894
How about your dad?

910
01:00:40,902 --> 01:00:45,221
My dad is
much more abstract, so...

911
01:00:45,222 --> 01:00:47,197
No.
Nothing like you then.

912
01:00:47,205 --> 01:00:50,044
I'm just kidding.

913
01:00:50,052 --> 01:00:53,754
Who is after you,
Mr. Assange?

914
01:00:53,764 --> 01:00:58,655
Formally, there are
more than 12 United States

915
01:00:58,659 --> 01:01:01,536
intelligence organizations,
investigative organizations,

916
01:01:01,539 --> 01:01:02,718
- that are...
- What are they?

917
01:01:02,722 --> 01:01:05,053
...after us.
So, I mean, those include,

918
01:01:05,057 --> 01:01:07,713
most importantly,
the FBI,

919
01:01:07,714 --> 01:01:09,344
the Department of Justice,

920
01:01:09,345 --> 01:01:11,775
the Central Intelligence Agency,

921
01:01:11,776 --> 01:01:13,627
the Department of Defense,

922
01:01:13,632 --> 01:01:16,356
and the subsets
of the Department of Defense,

923
01:01:16,357 --> 01:01:20,350
Centcom,
sections of the U.S. Army,

924
01:01:20,351 --> 01:01:22,298
including CCIU,

925
01:01:22,303 --> 01:01:25,947
the U.S. Army's Computer Crimes
Investigative Unit.

926
01:01:25,950 --> 01:01:28,731
Those include, in Australia,
various...

927
01:01:28,733 --> 01:01:32,694
- It's a series of institutions.
- So there...

928
01:01:32,701 --> 01:01:34,264
And, of course,
the State Department,

929
01:01:34,268 --> 01:01:36,186
the diplomatic security service.

930
01:01:36,188 --> 01:01:37,943
Here,
within the United Kingdom,

931
01:01:37,948 --> 01:01:41,621
the Home Office,
the extradition squad,

932
01:01:41,627 --> 01:01:45,626
the serious organized crime...

933
01:01:45,627 --> 01:01:49,308
So basically, a whole bunch
of fuckin' people in America.

934
01:01:49,309 --> 01:01:51,388
Now what about the rest
of the world?

935
01:01:51,389 --> 01:01:54,328
So, in the rest of the world,
there's...

936
01:01:54,329 --> 01:01:56,180
the Australian government
started up

937
01:01:56,185 --> 01:01:58,265
what you call the whole
of government investigation

938
01:01:58,266 --> 01:02:00,498
that included the internal
intelligence agency,

939
01:02:00,503 --> 01:02:03,380
the external intelligence
agency access

940
01:02:03,383 --> 01:02:06,134
ACIS,
the Attorney General...

941
01:02:06,135 --> 01:02:07,535
- Okay.
- The Department of...

942
01:02:07,543 --> 01:02:09,614
So we've got
the U.S., Australia...

943
01:02:09,622 --> 01:02:10,581
The Australian
federal police...

944
01:02:10,582 --> 01:02:11,700
Where else?

945
01:02:11,701 --> 01:02:12,660
The Swedish
prosecution authorities.

946
01:02:12,661 --> 01:02:14,100
Swedish prosecution.

947
01:02:14,101 --> 01:02:17,491
That includes
the foreign ministry run by...

948
01:02:17,492 --> 01:02:21,644
Built some aspects of the...

949
01:02:21,651 --> 01:02:24,557
It's become
a national issue now.

950
01:02:24,563 --> 01:02:27,056
- So a lot of people.
- Well, there's more.

951
01:02:27,058 --> 01:02:28,244
A lot of systems.

952
01:02:28,245 --> 01:02:29,930
I mean,
there's the scientologists.

953
01:02:29,937 --> 01:02:31,376
- There's a lot of friends of...
- The scientologists.

954
01:02:31,377 --> 01:02:32,815
There's a lot
of friends of friends...

955
01:02:32,816 --> 01:02:34,121
There's people in Kenya.
There's people in...

956
01:02:34,128 --> 01:02:35,883
A lot of friends of friends
doing things

957
01:02:35,888 --> 01:02:39,854
to put you in this position
that you are now in, correct?

958
01:02:39,855 --> 01:02:40,814
Sure.

959
01:02:57,837 --> 01:03:00,647
Seven, six, five,

960
01:03:00,653 --> 01:03:03,852
four, three, two, one.

961
01:03:03,853 --> 01:03:07,209
Seven, six, five, four,

962
01:03:07,212 --> 01:03:09,265
three, two, one.

963
01:03:15,242 --> 01:03:17,477
Good. Quicker.
Good.

964
01:03:17,483 --> 01:03:20,647
Good. Quick.

965
01:03:20,650 --> 01:03:22,597
That's good.
Go.

966
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,486
<i>I've been contacted
by an anonymous source.</i>

967
01:03:40,487 --> 01:03:43,652
<i>He claims to have documents
about illegal NSA spying.</i>

968
01:03:45,445 --> 01:03:50,049
<i>I wonder if the FBI is trying
to entrap me, Jake, or Julian.</i>

969
01:03:52,868 --> 01:03:54,882
<i>Julian would be
the likely target.</i>

970
01:04:00,323 --> 01:04:02,759
<i>I haven't told him
about the source.</i>

971
01:04:27,584 --> 01:04:30,365
Okay. I need you to move
the camera and stop filming.

972
01:04:32,157 --> 01:04:34,075
Give me that bag.

973
01:04:34,078 --> 01:04:37,116
29-year-old Edward Snowden

974
01:04:37,117 --> 01:04:39,388
blew open those secrets
by leaking

975
01:04:39,389 --> 01:04:42,228
unprecedented details
of top secret...

976
01:04:42,237 --> 01:04:47,099
<i>Julian contacted me
after I published the video.</i>

977
01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:50,869
<i>He said Snowden isn't safe
in Hong Kong.</i>

978
01:04:50,876 --> 01:04:53,628
<i>I told him I can't assist
with Ed's asylum.</i>

979
01:04:53,629 --> 01:04:57,113
<i>The risks are too high.</i>

980
01:04:57,114 --> 01:04:59,032
<i>When they investigate
this leak,</i>

981
01:04:59,034 --> 01:05:03,033
<i>they'll create a narrative
to say it was all a conspiracy.</i>

982
01:05:03,034 --> 01:05:06,232
<i>They won't understand
what really happened.</i>

983
01:05:06,233 --> 01:05:08,630
<i>That we all kept each other
in the dark.</i>

984
01:05:11,224 --> 01:05:12,854
Breaking news this hour.

985
01:05:12,855 --> 01:05:14,902
Wikileaks claims
one of its legal advisers

986
01:05:14,903 --> 01:05:17,012
accompanying Snowden after
the whistleblower organization...

987
01:05:17,014 --> 01:05:20,783
Reportedly has Snowden
scheduled to land

988
01:05:20,790 --> 01:05:23,341
in the Russian capital
within minutes.

989
01:05:23,350 --> 01:05:27,982
As you may have heard,
there is a CIA agent

990
01:05:27,989 --> 01:05:30,386
who has revealed
a lot of information,

991
01:05:30,388 --> 01:05:33,587
and he is now trapped in the...

992
01:05:33,588 --> 01:05:35,570
the airport in Moscow.

993
01:05:35,571 --> 01:05:38,064
We've managed to get him
out of Hong Kong,

994
01:05:38,066 --> 01:05:40,656
but when he landed
in the Moscow airport,

995
01:05:40,658 --> 01:05:45,261
the American government
had cancelled his passport

996
01:05:45,264 --> 01:05:46,693
to try and grab him.

997
01:05:46,703 --> 01:05:49,964
We are trying to arrange
a private jet

998
01:05:49,967 --> 01:05:54,733
to take him from Moscow
to Ecuador

999
01:05:54,734 --> 01:05:57,581
or perhaps maybe Venezuela,

1000
01:05:57,582 --> 01:05:59,660
or maybe Iceland...

1001
01:05:59,661 --> 01:06:01,896
Countries where
he would be safe,

1002
01:06:01,900 --> 01:06:05,291
but there isn't much time,
this is the problem.

1003
01:06:05,292 --> 01:06:07,977
We need to raise
the money for the jet.

1004
01:06:10,121 --> 01:06:12,489
Well, there are quotes
coming back at somewhere

1005
01:06:12,490 --> 01:06:16,200
between $120,000 and $300,000

1006
01:06:16,201 --> 01:06:20,007
for the private flight.

1007
01:06:20,008 --> 01:06:23,144
And one of our people
is accompanying him.

1008
01:06:25,925 --> 01:06:27,843
Today, we've had information
from the official

1009
01:06:27,846 --> 01:06:29,793
Russian news service,
Interfax,

1010
01:06:29,798 --> 01:06:31,974
that at the Moscow airport,
Edward Snowden applied

1011
01:06:31,975 --> 01:06:34,054
for asylum there with the help
of Sarah Harrison.

1012
01:06:34,055 --> 01:06:37,725
The British national says
that her lawyers

1013
01:06:37,732 --> 01:06:40,451
have advised her
not to return to the UK,

1014
01:06:40,452 --> 01:06:44,135
because she risks arrest under
the terrorism act.

1015
01:07:02,529 --> 01:07:05,310
Not guilty
on aiding the enemy,

1016
01:07:05,313 --> 01:07:09,119
but specification 1, charge 2,
on wanton publication guilty,

1017
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,839
Afghan war diary on espionage,
guilty,

1018
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,238
spec 8 on the Gitmo files,
guilty...

1019
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:15,803
which is ten years max,

1020
01:07:15,807 --> 01:07:19,192
Cablegate, guilty,
ten years,

1021
01:07:19,198 --> 01:07:23,003
Reykjavik cable,
two years max, guilty.

1022
01:07:23,004 --> 01:07:25,083
God.

1023
01:07:25,084 --> 01:07:27,002
It goes on.

1024
01:07:27,004 --> 01:07:29,401
10, 20, 30...

1025
01:07:29,403 --> 01:07:31,674
90, 100...

1026
01:07:31,675 --> 01:07:33,689
102, 112...

1027
01:07:36,441 --> 01:07:39,222
Yeah, so far,
142 years,

1028
01:07:39,225 --> 01:07:41,373
maximum possible sentence.

1029
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:06,992
<i>I spoke to Julian
for the first time in months.</i>

1030
01:08:06,998 --> 01:08:09,847
<i>He is furious
and feels betrayed.</i>

1031
01:08:11,796 --> 01:08:14,385
<i>He wants me to give him
NSA documents,</i>

1032
01:08:14,388 --> 01:08:16,172
<i>and accused me
of dividing the community</i>

1033
01:08:16,179 --> 01:08:19,689
<i>by not publishing
with Wikileaks.</i>

1034
01:08:19,699 --> 01:08:21,675
<i>I tell him
I can't be his source.</i>

1035
01:08:23,633 --> 01:08:26,155
<i>I don't tell him
that I don't trust him.</i>

1036
01:08:28,624 --> 01:08:31,021
<i>He's still yelling
when I hang up the phone.</i>

1037
01:08:52,973 --> 01:08:54,699
Testing, testing.
Okay.

1038
01:08:54,701 --> 01:08:58,732
Okay, so there's a
filmmaker named Laura Poitras.

1039
01:08:58,733 --> 01:09:01,706
Laura Poitras is known
through the defense community

1040
01:09:01,709 --> 01:09:04,902
as a documentary filmmaker
who is anti-U.S.

1041
01:09:04,908 --> 01:09:07,651
So she's known in the
wiki community, the anti-U.S.,

1042
01:09:07,660 --> 01:09:11,457
anti-government-monitoring
community.

1043
01:09:11,467 --> 01:09:14,181
When we were pursuing Snowden,
we went balls to the wall

1044
01:09:14,187 --> 01:09:15,786
to try to get this guy.

1045
01:09:15,787 --> 01:09:17,542
We were able to revoke his visa

1046
01:09:17,546 --> 01:09:20,105
the day before he boarded
the plane for Moscow.

1047
01:09:20,106 --> 01:09:21,228
So they get the guy
on the plane

1048
01:09:21,229 --> 01:09:22,664
and he ends up in Moscow.

1049
01:09:22,665 --> 01:09:24,132
And therefore, then,
at that point,

1050
01:09:24,136 --> 01:09:26,495
we realized, you know,
we lost him.

1051
01:09:26,504 --> 01:09:28,585
We're probably not
gonna get him back.

1052
01:10:07,138 --> 01:10:08,615
Hi.

1053
01:10:13,441 --> 01:10:15,292
How's it going?

1054
01:10:40,509 --> 01:10:43,386
It looks
almost certain now

1055
01:10:43,390 --> 01:10:45,153
that it's gonna be
Hillary versus Trump.

1056
01:10:45,154 --> 01:10:46,617
- Yeah.
- Basically it will be...

1057
01:10:46,621 --> 01:10:49,153
will be Hillary versus Trump
unless one of them

1058
01:10:49,154 --> 01:10:51,899
has a stroke or is assassinated.

1059
01:10:51,900 --> 01:10:53,018
Yeah.

1060
01:10:53,820 --> 01:10:57,301
So that's quite a bad outcome
in both directions.

1061
01:10:57,307 --> 01:10:59,541
We have
a definite warmonger

1062
01:10:59,546 --> 01:11:02,903
in the case of Hillary,
who's gunning for us.

1063
01:11:02,906 --> 01:11:05,340
- Yeah.
- And in the case of Trump,

1064
01:11:05,341 --> 01:11:07,859
we have someone
who's extremely unpredictable.

1065
01:11:07,864 --> 01:11:10,106
- Yes.
- I've discovered quite a lot

1066
01:11:10,107 --> 01:11:12,501
of interesting stuff
in relation to Hillary.

1067
01:11:14,294 --> 01:11:16,174
Unfortunately for Trump,
there's...

1068
01:11:16,182 --> 01:11:21,169
There's not so many known
interesting documents.

1069
01:11:21,172 --> 01:11:23,062
And you'd think with his
business ventures all over,

1070
01:11:23,063 --> 01:11:25,774
there must be
a whole bunch of stuff.

1071
01:12:18,577 --> 01:12:21,032
After something like this
happens in your community,

1072
01:12:21,041 --> 01:12:23,401
it kind of tears it apart.

1073
01:12:23,409 --> 01:12:25,126
You know, Tor is just
kind of the epicenter

1074
01:12:25,137 --> 01:12:27,918
of this particular instance,
but I think there is

1075
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:31,054
kind of, you know,
a degree of sickness

1076
01:12:31,055 --> 01:12:33,932
within the community that allows
these things to happen.

1077
01:12:33,935 --> 01:12:36,400
And so I think
we are still uncovering

1078
01:12:36,401 --> 01:12:39,247
and trying to make sense
of what actually happened.

1079
01:12:39,248 --> 01:12:41,805
Like, how did it persist?

1080
01:12:41,806 --> 01:12:43,848
What, you know, what were
the mechanisms by which

1081
01:12:43,853 --> 01:12:46,796
it was covered up or hidden
or enabled?

1082
01:12:46,796 --> 01:12:48,523
I have some comments,
but I would like

1083
01:12:48,524 --> 01:12:50,730
to actually not be on camera.

1084
01:12:50,731 --> 01:12:53,610
I'm a programmer,
and all I would like to do

1085
01:12:53,611 --> 01:12:56,009
is to be able to contribute
to radical projects,

1086
01:12:56,011 --> 01:12:57,766
but I knew that I wouldn't work
with Tor ever

1087
01:12:57,771 --> 01:12:59,689
because of Jacob Appelbaum.

1088
01:12:59,691 --> 01:13:01,829
And I was never
directly affected by him,

1089
01:13:01,834 --> 01:13:04,008
but I just knew so many stories.

1090
01:13:10,728 --> 01:13:13,279
<i>Jake often asked me,
what decision would I make</i>

1091
01:13:13,288 --> 01:13:15,431
<i>in the prisoner's dilemma?</i>

1092
01:13:15,432 --> 01:13:18,405
<i>Would I stay silent,
or betray him?</i>

1093
01:13:21,767 --> 01:13:26,466
<i>Jake sent me a text after
the website went live.</i>

1094
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:30,756
<i>We had been involved briefly
in 2014.</i>

1095
01:13:30,757 --> 01:13:32,867
<i>After I ended things,
he was abusive</i>

1096
01:13:32,869 --> 01:13:36,003
<i>to someone close to me.</i>

1097
01:13:36,004 --> 01:13:40,991
<i>Jake was now worried
about what I would say.</i>

1098
01:13:40,996 --> 01:13:44,381
<i>I asked to interview him
for the film.</i>

1099
01:13:44,387 --> 01:13:49,921
<i>He said no, he wants the film
to have a different ending.</i>

1100
01:13:49,921 --> 01:13:52,319
<i>So do I.</i>

1101
01:15:01,117 --> 01:15:04,473
Wikileaks published a trove
of hacked stolen DNC emails

1102
01:15:04,477 --> 01:15:07,391
and voice messages indicating
efforts by party officials

1103
01:15:07,392 --> 01:15:09,115
to hinder
Bernie Sanders' campaign

1104
01:15:09,116 --> 01:15:11,351
and assist
Hillary Clinton's campaign.

1105
01:15:11,355 --> 01:15:13,274
U.S. government sources
strongly suspect

1106
01:15:13,275 --> 01:15:14,714
that Russian
intelligence agents

1107
01:15:14,715 --> 01:15:16,633
were behind the data breach.

1108
01:15:16,635 --> 01:15:19,253
The grand total of emails
pushed out there by Wikileaks

1109
01:15:19,259 --> 01:15:21,589
is now well over 10,000.

1110
01:15:21,594 --> 01:15:23,349
Progressives concerned
that she was taking

1111
01:15:23,354 --> 01:15:26,231
all of this money
from Goldman Sachs and others.

1112
01:15:28,794 --> 01:15:31,220
Assange has given a series
of interviews

1113
01:15:31,225 --> 01:15:33,786
in which he says that there's
no proof whatsoever

1114
01:15:33,786 --> 01:15:36,182
that the emails
that he's already released

1115
01:15:36,184 --> 01:15:38,262
came from Russian sources.

1116
01:15:38,263 --> 01:15:40,536
Of course,
Wikileaks likes to create

1117
01:15:40,537 --> 01:15:44,150
maximum ambiguity about where
its information comes from.

1118
01:15:44,151 --> 01:15:47,344
It's very hot
on the protection of sources.

1119
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:48,942
Does that not trouble you
at all,

1120
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:51,539
if a foreign government
is trying to meddle

1121
01:15:51,541 --> 01:15:54,380
in the affairs
of another foreign government?

1122
01:15:54,389 --> 01:15:57,266
Well, it's an interesting
speculative question,

1123
01:15:57,269 --> 01:15:59,503
that's for the press
and others to perhaps...

1124
01:15:59,508 --> 01:16:01,014
But does that not,
that doesn't bother you?

1125
01:16:01,015 --> 01:16:03,409
That is not part
of the Wikileaks credo?

1126
01:16:03,411 --> 01:16:06,384
Well, it's a meta...
it's a metastory.

1127
01:16:06,387 --> 01:16:09,897
If you're asking
would we accept information

1128
01:16:09,907 --> 01:16:12,525
from U.S. intelligence
that we had verified

1129
01:16:12,531 --> 01:16:16,367
to be completely accurate
and would we publish that

1130
01:16:16,371 --> 01:16:19,018
and would we protect our sources
in U.S. intelligence,

1131
01:16:19,026 --> 01:16:21,740
the answer is,
yes, of course we would.

1132
01:16:34,736 --> 01:16:37,259
Donald Trump will be

1133
01:16:37,264 --> 01:16:40,847
the 45th President
of the United States.

1134
01:16:51,854 --> 01:16:53,897
Assange is obviously back
in the headlines

1135
01:16:53,903 --> 01:16:56,366
after Wikileaks released
thousands of emails

1136
01:16:56,367 --> 01:16:57,930
from the democratic party
in the lead-up

1137
01:16:57,934 --> 01:16:59,660
to the presidential election.

1138
01:16:59,661 --> 01:17:02,058
The Department of Homeland
Security says the emails come

1139
01:17:02,060 --> 01:17:04,679
from Russian hackers
backed by the highest levels

1140
01:17:04,684 --> 01:17:05,643
of the Kremlin.

1141
01:17:31,049 --> 01:17:32,200
What are you expecting?

1142
01:17:32,201 --> 01:17:33,409
What do you hope
to achieve today?

1143
01:17:33,416 --> 01:17:34,759
What do you hope
to achieve today?

1144
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:36,457
Sorry.
Could I get through?

1145
01:17:40,999 --> 01:17:43,493
The Swedish prosecuting
office will make a decision

1146
01:17:43,495 --> 01:17:46,214
as to whether to carry
the investigation

1147
01:17:46,215 --> 01:17:49,149
or possibly bring charges
against Julian Assange

1148
01:17:49,158 --> 01:17:53,282
or perhaps drop
the investigation altogether.

1149
01:17:55,237 --> 01:17:56,321
Coming through.

1150
01:18:43,361 --> 01:18:44,838
I have been authorized

1151
01:18:44,839 --> 01:18:48,448
by the Department of Justice
to confirm that the FBI,

1152
01:18:48,449 --> 01:18:51,009
as part of our
counterintelligence mission,

1153
01:18:51,010 --> 01:18:53,789
is investigating
the Russian government's efforts

1154
01:18:53,791 --> 01:18:57,886
to interfere in the 2016
presidential election.

1155
01:18:57,886 --> 01:19:01,597
And that includes investigating
the nature of any links

1156
01:19:01,598 --> 01:19:04,792
between individuals associated
with the Trump campaign

1157
01:19:04,797 --> 01:19:06,524
and the Russian government,

1158
01:19:06,525 --> 01:19:09,076
and whether there was
any coordination

1159
01:19:09,084 --> 01:19:11,674
between the campaign
and Russia's efforts.

1160
01:19:11,676 --> 01:19:13,239
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1161
01:19:13,243 --> 01:19:15,007
I just wanted to follow up
with a few questions.

1162
01:19:15,908 --> 01:19:17,621
Director Comey,
are you aware that Roger Stone

1163
01:19:17,626 --> 01:19:19,802
played a role
on the Trump campaign?

1164
01:19:19,803 --> 01:19:21,240
I'm not gonna talk about any

1165
01:19:21,241 --> 01:19:23,639
particular person here today,
Mr. Schiff.

1166
01:19:23,641 --> 01:19:25,307
I'm gonna continue to ask
these questions

1167
01:19:25,308 --> 01:19:27,481
because I want to make sure
you are aware of these facts,

1168
01:19:27,482 --> 01:19:29,743
whether you're able to comment
on them or not.

1169
01:19:29,752 --> 01:19:31,631
Are you aware
that Mr. Stone also claimed

1170
01:19:31,639 --> 01:19:35,348
that he was in touch with
an intermediary of Mr. Assange?

1171
01:19:35,349 --> 01:19:38,035
Same answer.

1172
01:19:38,037 --> 01:19:39,955
This question I think
you can answer.

1173
01:19:39,957 --> 01:19:42,028
Do you know whether the Russian
intelligence services

1174
01:19:42,036 --> 01:19:44,270
dealt directly with Wikileaks

1175
01:19:44,275 --> 01:19:46,702
or whether they too used
an intermediary?

1176
01:19:46,706 --> 01:19:48,816
We assessed they used
some kind of cutout.

1177
01:19:48,818 --> 01:19:51,465
They didn't deal directly
with Wikileaks,

1178
01:19:51,474 --> 01:19:54,351
in contrast to Guccifer 2.0.

1179
01:19:54,354 --> 01:19:56,780
There is evidence,
is there not,

1180
01:19:56,785 --> 01:19:59,183
of a break-in
of the democratic headquarters

1181
01:19:59,184 --> 01:20:02,349
by a foreign power
using cyber means?

1182
01:20:02,352 --> 01:20:03,983
- Yes, there was.
- And there was an effort

1183
01:20:03,984 --> 01:20:06,381
by the Russians
to cover up their break-in

1184
01:20:06,383 --> 01:20:10,066
by using cutouts like Wikileaks
to publish the stolen material.

1185
01:20:10,067 --> 01:20:12,268
Isn't that right?

1186
01:20:12,270 --> 01:20:16,106
Certainly to cover up that
they were the ones releasing it.

1187
01:20:44,650 --> 01:20:48,582
A woman who knows that--
I'm doing this, they...

1188
01:20:48,585 --> 01:20:49,889
they want to know why.

1189
01:20:49,897 --> 01:20:52,486
The motivation.

1190
01:20:52,488 --> 01:20:54,022
So if we actually,
if I don't try

1191
01:20:54,023 --> 01:20:56,642
and make an excuse,
but rather...

1192
01:20:56,647 --> 01:20:58,086
Or a sound bite or anything.

1193
01:20:58,087 --> 01:20:59,947
- But, really, why?
- If I don't...

1194
01:20:59,948 --> 01:21:01,736
Maybe close that door.

1195
01:21:07,961 --> 01:21:11,202
I don't feel there's even
a choice in the matter.

1196
01:21:11,205 --> 01:21:14,561
I was in a
lucky position that...

1197
01:21:14,564 --> 01:21:18,045
that the new thing
that is, it is...

1198
01:21:18,051 --> 01:21:23,489
that element which is really
causing the world to globalize,

1199
01:21:23,490 --> 01:21:28,573
that element which is producing
most of the changes that we see,

1200
01:21:28,577 --> 01:21:33,631
including the bad ones,
I was an expert in.

1201
01:21:33,633 --> 01:21:38,591
If you...
see the global problems

1202
01:21:38,592 --> 01:21:40,826
that we have
as a global civilization,

1203
01:21:40,831 --> 01:21:44,670
if you actually see them
and understand them,

1204
01:21:44,671 --> 01:21:49,821
then acting locally
is completely inconsequential,

1205
01:21:49,822 --> 01:21:52,987
relative to what you understand.

1206
01:21:52,990 --> 01:21:58,748
So that the only way
to then act...

1207
01:21:58,749 --> 01:22:03,611
to make the world
the way you want it,

1208
01:22:03,612 --> 01:22:06,652
to remove those features
which you do not like,

1209
01:22:06,653 --> 01:22:09,490
is to act globally.

1210
01:22:09,499 --> 01:22:11,062
'Cause I think,
'cause the features

1211
01:22:11,066 --> 01:22:13,943
that you are concerned about

1212
01:22:13,946 --> 01:22:17,144
are a global phenomenon.

1213
01:22:17,145 --> 01:22:19,859
I understand what you're
saying on a tactical level,

1214
01:22:19,865 --> 01:22:21,937
but, like,
really the motivation.

1215
01:22:21,944 --> 01:22:23,929
That is the motiva...
it's... it's, I mean, it...

1216
01:22:23,930 --> 01:22:25,942
But isn't it also something
about power?

1217
01:22:30,902 --> 01:22:33,336
If you're...
let's say your perception

1218
01:22:33,337 --> 01:22:35,377
was limited to your garden?

1219
01:22:35,381 --> 01:22:37,620
And so you spend
your time going,

1220
01:22:37,621 --> 01:22:41,523
well, I don't like...

1221
01:22:41,524 --> 01:22:44,018
I don't like to have weeds,

1222
01:22:44,019 --> 01:22:45,621
I like to have flowers
in my garden,

1223
01:22:45,622 --> 01:22:48,813
I like my garden to be healthy,

1224
01:22:48,819 --> 01:22:50,737
then you spend your time
doing that.

1225
01:22:50,739 --> 01:22:53,136
If your...

1226
01:22:53,138 --> 01:22:56,686
perception has been globalized,

1227
01:22:56,689 --> 01:23:00,813
then...

1228
01:23:00,816 --> 01:23:03,530
that this perception
of your garden...

1229
01:23:03,536 --> 01:23:06,125
I mean, perhaps I have
a god complex, right?

1230
01:23:06,127 --> 01:23:09,772
But the perception
of your garden,

1231
01:23:09,774 --> 01:23:14,886
my perception of what
my environment is,

1232
01:23:14,893 --> 01:23:20,011
the area that I care about
is the whole world.

1233
01:23:35,851 --> 01:23:38,785
<i>Julian texted me after
I showed him a cut of the film.</i>

1234
01:23:41,129 --> 01:23:44,966
<i>He said, Laura...</i>

1235
01:23:44,969 --> 01:23:47,116
<i>I ask that you cease
putting into press releases</i>

1236
01:23:47,117 --> 01:23:49,194
<i>and interviews
that we have fallen out.</i>

1237
01:23:52,487 --> 01:23:54,731
<i>After the screening,
we will continue to try</i>

1238
01:23:54,732 --> 01:23:57,508
<i>to find a path
of mutual interest.</i>

1239
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:59,108
<i>However, presently,</i>

1240
01:23:59,109 --> 01:24:01,670
<i>the film is a severe threat
to my freedom,</i>

1241
01:24:01,671 --> 01:24:06,081
<i>and I'm forced
to treat it accordingly.</i>

1242
01:24:57,441 --> 01:24:59,520
Efforts are now
well under way to prosecute

1243
01:24:59,521 --> 01:25:01,343
the founder of the group
that candidate Trump said

1244
01:25:01,344 --> 01:25:02,783
he loves so much Wikileaks.

1245
01:25:02,784 --> 01:25:04,386
The Justice Department
preparing charges

1246
01:25:04,386 --> 01:25:06,110
against Julian Assange.

1247
01:25:06,111 --> 01:25:08,154
The Attorney General said
he is focused

1248
01:25:08,158 --> 01:25:10,709
on prosecuting leaks,
and the Justice Department

1249
01:25:10,718 --> 01:25:12,953
is taking steps to do that.

1250
01:25:12,957 --> 01:25:17,147
We are going to step up
our efforts on all leaks.

1251
01:25:17,148 --> 01:25:19,035
Whenever a case can be made,

1252
01:25:19,036 --> 01:25:22,105
we will seek
to put some people in jail.