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I have my own house! 14 00:01:15,309 --> 00:01:18,077 And that's exactly the same goal when we start a bank. 15 00:01:18,079 --> 00:01:19,778 That's our motivation to help many people, 16 00:01:19,780 --> 00:01:23,082 many immigrants. 17 00:01:23,084 --> 00:01:24,917 This is you, George. Merry Christmas! 18 00:01:24,919 --> 00:01:28,053 Hwei Lin Sung, voice-over: This film really touched me. 19 00:01:28,055 --> 00:01:30,889 Family, friends. 20 00:01:30,891 --> 00:01:33,959 I always watch it. Every year, I watch. 21 00:01:33,961 --> 00:01:36,795 That makes me cry because that's the part... 22 00:01:39,433 --> 00:01:41,800 Thomas, voice-over: I hope this story can end 23 00:01:44,604 --> 00:01:47,773 the same way as "It & apos; s Wonderful Life"... 24 00:01:47,775 --> 00:01:50,976 But in reality, This is not that simple. 25 00:01:54,581 --> 00:01:58,584 Today, we announce the charges 26 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:06,525 of 19 individuals 27 00:02:06,527 --> 00:02:08,193 for fees including 28 00:02:08,195 --> 00:02:09,194 mortgage fraud, 29 00:02:09,196 --> 00:02:10,462 securities fraud, 30 00:02:10,464 --> 00:02:11,463 31 00:02:11,465 --> 00:02:12,664 and conspiracy, 32 00:02:12,666 --> 00:02:14,466 and indictments 33 00:02:14,468 --> 00:02:16,368 Abacus Federal Savings Bank, 34 00:02:16,370 --> 00:02:18,504 federal charter banks who are already catering 35 00:02:18,506 --> 00:02:22,608 to Chinese immigrants community since 1984. 36 00:02:22,610 --> 00:02:24,243 If we learn something 37 00:02:24,245 --> 00:02:25,878 from the mortgage crisis recently, 38 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,414 that which at a certain point this scheme breaks down 39 00:02:29,416 --> 00:02:32,851 and taxpayers can be left holding the bag. 40 00:02:32,853 --> 00:02:36,021 The D.A. make it like that a big parade, 41 00:02:36,023 --> 00:02:37,990 bring people from Washington, 42 00:02:37,992 --> 00:02:41,226 all of this is difficult law enforcement officers, 43 00:02:41,228 --> 00:02:44,129 and make it like that a big announcement 44 00:02:44,131 --> 00:02:45,597 that we are part of the cause 45 00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:49,268 financial crisis of 2008. 46 00:02:49,270 --> 00:02:51,570 Almost ridiculous. 47 00:02:51,572 --> 00:02:54,273 Mr. Sung has the right his opinion, 48 00:02:54,275 --> 00:02:56,441 but in the loan section of Abacus, 49 00:02:56,443 --> 00:02:59,912 the mortgage is based on in fake documentation. 50 00:02:59,914 --> 00:03:03,115 We have evidence of conspiracy, theft, 51 00:03:03,117 --> 00:03:05,017 and systemic fraud. 52 00:03:10,523 --> 00:03:12,758 If it's prosecution passes, 53 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,293 the bank will go outside of business. 54 00:03:14,295 --> 00:03:15,594 There is no question about that. 55 00:03:15,596 --> 00:03:17,029 They will lose their charter, 56 00:03:17,031 --> 00:03:20,065 and that would be extraordinary impact on the community. 57 00:03:25,171 --> 00:03:28,507 Too big to fail, you know, turns into small enough to go to jail, 58 00:03:28,509 --> 00:03:31,376 and Abacus are small enough to be imprisoned. 59 00:04:02,041 --> 00:04:03,508 Thomas, voice-over: When I walk here, of course, 60 00:04:03,510 --> 00:04:06,845 I feel very at home. 61 00:04:06,847 --> 00:04:11,950 Incidentally, this is a very delicious noodle shop 62 00:04:11,952 --> 00:04:14,586 if you go in there. 63 00:04:19,492 --> 00:04:24,763 I was born in Shanghai in 1935. 64 00:04:24,765 --> 00:04:29,468 At the age of 16, I emigrated to the United States 65 00:04:29,470 --> 00:04:35,173 and going to law school, and I moved to Chinatown. 66 00:04:35,175 --> 00:04:38,377 Not many Chinese lawyers, 67 00:04:38,379 --> 00:04:42,281 and I know I want to be like that part of the community, 68 00:04:42,283 --> 00:04:44,950 so I do a lot of pro Bono work. 69 00:04:44,952 --> 00:04:49,054 This... this building with the Chinese national flag, 70 00:04:49,056 --> 00:04:51,456 this is the center of the Chinese community. 71 00:04:51,458 --> 00:04:54,026 And there... 72 00:04:57,230 --> 00:05:02,200 I represent the association for years and years. 73 00:05:02,202 --> 00:05:05,437 This association is sponsored by school, 74 00:05:05,439 --> 00:05:09,174 and I get permanent charter 75 00:05:09,176 --> 00:05:11,543 from the education department. 76 00:05:34,334 --> 00:05:36,234 And people in that community, 77 00:05:36,236 --> 00:05:39,204 especially parents, remember me, 78 00:05:39,206 --> 00:05:41,373 know what I have done. 79 00:05:49,949 --> 00:05:52,851 Back when I was a lawyer, I had no bank which is owned by Chinese people and serves Chinese people. 80 00:05:52,853 --> 00:05:58,523 This is Chinatown, New York City, 81 00:05:58,525 --> 00:06:00,492 warm, colorful, cheerful, 82 00:06:00,494 --> 00:06:02,327 beautiful place for sightseeing. 83 00:06:02,329 --> 00:06:04,396 84 00:06:04,398 --> 00:06:07,699 This man is on his way to the bank. 85 00:06:07,701 --> 00:06:11,203 What is it with banks that make our men feel at home? 86 00:06:11,205 --> 00:06:13,305 The design is very... beautiful bright 87 00:06:13,307 --> 00:06:15,273 with the main Chinese color, 88 00:06:15,275 --> 00:06:17,909 and he sees the house in a soft and sweet smile 89 00:06:17,911 --> 00:06:19,444 from the cashier. 90 00:06:19,446 --> 00:06:21,546 At that time, bank in this community 91 00:06:21,548 --> 00:06:25,751 has several hundred million Chinese deposit dollars, 92 00:06:25,753 --> 00:06:29,921 and I go to the bank to try to borrow money, 93 00:06:29,923 --> 00:06:31,990 but they don't lend money 94 00:06:31,992 --> 00:06:34,726 and dealing with the community. 95 00:06:34,728 --> 00:06:36,027 He always tells us stories 96 00:06:36,029 --> 00:06:37,863 that they are willing to take their savings, 97 00:06:37,865 --> 00:06:40,799 but they don't want to give him credit, loan, 98 00:06:40,801 --> 00:06:42,601 so that's why he started a bank 99 00:06:42,603 --> 00:06:44,035 because he feels it's unfair 100 00:06:44,037 --> 00:06:45,837 to the community. 101 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,706 I remember when we were children, 102 00:06:47,708 --> 00:06:50,242 and my father is excited about this business 103 00:06:50,244 --> 00:06:52,244 that he will start, 104 00:06:52,246 --> 00:06:55,447 and he involves us in the decision 105 00:06:55,449 --> 00:06:58,183 from what will be the symbol for the bank, 106 00:06:58,185 --> 00:07:01,153 and I remember all of us try to design something. 107 00:07:01,155 --> 00:07:04,523 Abacus, you know, is a Chinese calculator. 108 00:07:04,525 --> 00:07:09,294 China considers abacus as national treasure, 109 00:07:09,296 --> 00:07:13,398 so we say we will name Abacus bank. 110 00:07:17,270 --> 00:07:19,304 Hello. Can you open for me? 111 00:07:20,874 --> 00:07:22,674 We serve people who have never even been handled 112 00:07:22,676 --> 00:07:24,042 with the previous banking system, 113 00:07:24,044 --> 00:07:26,678 and you try to bring it into the banking system. 114 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,114 That example is a safe storage box. 115 00:07:29,116 --> 00:07:33,718 Have you ever seen so much... heh heh... box? 116 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:40,358 There are 8,000-plus boxes in this safe. 117 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,561 8,000. 118 00:07:42,563 --> 00:07:45,430 Chinese people, especially immigrants, 119 00:07:45,432 --> 00:07:48,600 they rent a house in a very narrow place. 120 00:07:48,602 --> 00:07:52,871 There is no place for them to put their valuables except in the bank safe. 121 00:07:52,873 --> 00:07:56,374 So it starts with a safe storage box. 122 00:07:56,376 --> 00:07:58,510 Then they are willing to put their money into the bank and then let the money grow, and then, 123 00:07:58,512 --> 00:08:00,579 they will take the money and use it to buy a house. 124 00:08:00,581 --> 00:08:02,881 You get a clear understanding of what your mission is at actual closing. 125 00:08:02,883 --> 00:08:05,984 Many borrowers carry their entire family with them, 126 00:08:05,986 --> 00:08:09,354 and they bring their children, 127 00:08:09,356 --> 00:08:11,022 their grandmother, 128 00:08:11,024 --> 00:08:14,493 and when they walk out, they are all very happy, 129 00:08:14,495 --> 00:08:16,061 and you feel happy to be part of the process. 130 00:08:16,063 --> 00:08:17,562 131 00:08:17,564 --> 00:08:20,699 132 00:08:20,701 --> 00:08:23,869 133 00:08:27,540 --> 00:08:29,341 We talk to Heather, right? 134 00:08:29,343 --> 00:08:30,408 I remember him. 135 00:08:30,410 --> 00:08:32,410 Where is he now? 136 00:08:34,548 --> 00:08:36,348 Do you have chicken feet there? 137 00:08:36,350 --> 00:08:39,284 Oh okay. It is always special. 138 00:08:39,286 --> 00:08:40,585 That chicken's butt. 139 00:08:40,587 --> 00:08:41,786 That's his ass. Chicken butt. 140 00:08:41,788 --> 00:08:43,021 You don't want to eat it. 141 00:08:43,023 --> 00:08:44,422 I like that. Oh 142 00:08:44,424 --> 00:08:46,291 He doesn't need a butt. He can eat it. 143 00:08:46,293 --> 00:08:49,628 I never thought my girls would work in Chinatown 144 00:08:49,630 --> 00:08:53,231 because we live in Greenwich, Connecticut. 145 00:08:53,233 --> 00:08:55,267 Tom will commuter every day, you know, 146 00:08:55,269 --> 00:08:58,503 like, one and a half hours every way, 147 00:08:58,505 --> 00:09:01,473 so he did not see them that much at that time. 148 00:09:01,475 --> 00:09:06,044 They don't know anything, is not a vague idea 149 00:09:06,046 --> 00:09:07,646 about the Chinese community. 150 00:09:07,648 --> 00:09:09,681 In fact, Heather still hasn't. 151 00:09:09,683 --> 00:09:11,283 He hates the city, huh? 152 00:09:11,285 --> 00:09:13,818 He is like me. We both experience headaches, 153 00:09:13,820 --> 00:09:16,354 and at home when we don't want them to understand, 154 00:09:16,356 --> 00:09:18,290 we speak Mandarin. 155 00:09:18,292 --> 00:09:19,524 You always say to me, 156 00:09:19,526 --> 00:09:21,526 "If you work for a bank, 157 00:09:21,528 --> 00:09:23,028 " The benefits you will have 158 00:09:23,030 --> 00:09:25,397 work 9-4. " 159 00:09:25,399 --> 00:09:27,132 9-4? He says that? 160 00:09:27,134 --> 00:09:28,533 Because of a long time then, people can 161 00:09:28,535 --> 00:09:30,068 go at 3:00 a.m. to the bank. 162 00:09:30,070 --> 00:09:31,469 He says you can have children, 163 00:09:31,471 --> 00:09:32,571 You can have a family. 164 00:09:32,573 --> 00:09:33,838 You know what he says to me? 165 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,273 He says, "if you want to work with me, 166 00:09:35,275 --> 00:09:37,075 "Remember, this is your choice, and don't think it will be easy." You give it two different stories. 167 00:09:37,077 --> 00:09:39,144 You know, people ask me 168 00:09:39,146 --> 00:09:40,845 169 00:09:40,847 --> 00:09:42,247 170 00:09:42,249 --> 00:09:45,050 "so why in the world do you want to get 171 00:09:45,052 --> 00:09:46,484 to banking?" 172 00:09:46,486 --> 00:09:48,687 Not because I need a job. 173 00:09:48,689 --> 00:09:51,323 I'm practicing law, I'm busy, 174 00:09:51,325 --> 00:09:56,861 but I say to myself, "It's time for me to do something 175 00:09:56,863 --> 00:09:58,196 for the community." 176 00:09:58,198 --> 00:10:00,799 It starts from your time. 177 00:10:00,801 --> 00:10:02,901 Grandpa. My grandfather. My grandfather. 178 00:10:02,903 --> 00:10:06,204 He always thinks like that respectable things to do. 179 00:10:06,206 --> 00:10:07,572 That's unusual. 180 00:10:07,574 --> 00:10:09,074 Many people in Chinatown, your generation, 181 00:10:09,076 --> 00:10:10,475 they believe it's respectable 182 00:10:10,477 --> 00:10:12,410 entrusted... to be trusted. 183 00:10:12,412 --> 00:10:14,079 Trust with public funds. 184 00:10:14,081 --> 00:10:15,780 Yes it's true. 185 00:10:18,017 --> 00:10:21,720 Do you have a copy payment letter for me? 186 00:10:21,722 --> 00:10:22,854 Yes I understand. 187 00:10:22,856 --> 00:10:25,423 Vera, voice-over: This whole 5-year trial begins 188 00:10:25,425 --> 00:10:27,626 in December 2009. 189 00:10:27,628 --> 00:10:29,027 I have closing that day involving one 190 00:10:29,029 --> 00:10:32,263 Our loan officer, Ken Yu. 191 00:10:32,265 --> 00:10:36,067 Ken Yu works with us about 4 years. 192 00:10:36,069 --> 00:10:37,569 Staff really likes it. 193 00:10:37,571 --> 00:10:40,171 He is very popular, he has charisma, 194 00:10:40,173 --> 00:10:42,674 and he does a good job. 195 00:10:42,676 --> 00:10:44,309 That is normal closing 196 00:10:44,311 --> 00:10:46,244 there is a seller's lawyer, 197 00:10:46,246 --> 00:10:47,579 and there are buyers, 198 00:10:47,581 --> 00:10:49,447 but there are lots of tensions in closing. 199 00:10:49,449 --> 00:10:50,582 They don't get along well. 200 00:10:50,584 --> 00:10:52,651 They argue things. 201 00:10:52,653 --> 00:10:54,753 Vera, voice actor: Lawyer asks me a question 202 00:10:54,755 --> 00:10:57,389 about additional money said by borrowers 203 00:10:57,391 --> 00:10:58,890 that he pays. 204 00:10:58,892 --> 00:11:01,960 That doesn't make sense to me, so I called Ken Yu, 205 00:11:01,962 --> 00:11:04,429 and I ask him "What is this examination?" 206 00:11:04,431 --> 00:11:06,398 He just goes, "oh, blah, blah, blah," 207 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,001 hedging and not answering. 208 00:11:10,003 --> 00:11:12,137 Vera is very upset. 209 00:11:12,139 --> 00:11:14,806 This girl gave thousands of dollars, I was told, 210 00:11:14,808 --> 00:11:16,675 to the loan officer, and he thinks 211 00:11:16,677 --> 00:11:19,244 they will be applied towards the closing costs, 212 00:11:19,246 --> 00:11:20,478 and they don't. 213 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,514 That was very surprising. 214 00:11:22,516 --> 00:11:24,416 I say, "This loan can't be closed." 215 00:11:24,418 --> 00:11:25,583 It was Friday. Then on Monday, 216 00:11:25,585 --> 00:11:28,887 Ken entered, and I fired him that day 217 00:11:28,889 --> 00:11:31,990 because he lied all over the place. 218 00:11:31,992 --> 00:11:33,858 Ken Yu stole money, 219 00:11:33,860 --> 00:11:35,960 and he ran money laundering operations 220 00:11:35,962 --> 00:11:38,730 without his own knowledge for everyone here. 221 00:11:38,732 --> 00:11:41,499 Scams that are done clearly. 222 00:11:41,501 --> 00:11:43,802 I refer this case to our compliance officer, 223 00:11:43,804 --> 00:11:46,171 then we are hired outside consultants, 224 00:11:46,173 --> 00:11:47,706 former federal prosecutor 225 00:11:47,708 --> 00:11:50,008 who are very experienced in fraud 226 00:11:50,010 --> 00:11:52,777 and anti money laundering investigation. 227 00:11:52,779 --> 00:11:56,181 During our investigation, we found two other loan officers 228 00:11:56,183 --> 00:11:59,184 involved in wrongdoing, 229 00:11:59,186 --> 00:12:01,686 not at Ken Yu's level, 230 00:12:01,688 --> 00:12:04,489 but we keep firing them, 231 00:12:04,491 --> 00:12:07,258 and some other staff also resign. 232 00:12:07,260 --> 00:12:11,096 Shortly after that, we were told Fannie Mae. 233 00:12:11,098 --> 00:12:14,365 They actually don't just fire credit officers 234 00:12:14,367 --> 00:12:16,034 and cancel closure. 235 00:12:16,036 --> 00:12:18,236 They go directly to the office management of used goods, 236 00:12:18,238 --> 00:12:20,138 who is their regulator, 237 00:12:20,140 --> 00:12:21,940 and they tell them about that. 238 00:12:21,942 --> 00:12:24,843 So that's perfect proof the bank finds out something 239 00:12:24,845 --> 00:12:27,312 that should not happen and take steps 240 00:12:27,314 --> 00:12:30,014 to make sure this doesn't happen again. 241 00:12:30,016 --> 00:12:32,617 The couple unfortunately lost 242 00:12:32,619 --> 00:12:34,652 down payment for this house, 243 00:12:34,654 --> 00:12:36,621 which one, you know, is quite a lot of money. 244 00:12:36,623 --> 00:12:40,125 That's 10% of the price of the house, and they are very upset. 245 00:12:40,127 --> 00:12:43,094 And at that time, the borrower, he called me. 246 00:12:43,096 --> 00:12:45,563 He is like, "You know, there is this money 247 00:12:45,565 --> 00:12:46,731 " That he was taken from me, 248 00:12:46,733 --> 00:12:48,333 So who are you going to do? " 249 00:12:48,335 --> 00:12:50,268 And I told him... I remember I was very angry. 250 00:12:50,270 --> 00:12:51,836 I was like," What am I going to do? " 251 00:12:51,838 --> 00:12:53,872 Because I think for myself, 252 00:12:53,874 --> 00:12:56,174 " Maybe he conspired with Ken Yu 253 00:12:56,176 --> 00:12:58,076 to cheat banks. " 254 00:12:58,078 --> 00:12:59,677 I say," if you have a problem, 255 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,179 "You have to file a complaint 256 00:13:01,181 --> 00:13:02,881 in the police station." 257 00:13:06,952 --> 00:13:09,053 Complaints submitted 258 00:13:09,055 --> 00:13:11,322 with the local police station. 259 00:13:11,324 --> 00:13:14,592 D.A Office early investigation 260 00:13:14,594 --> 00:13:18,696 only focused on employees 261 00:13:18,698 --> 00:13:21,866 who is accused of theft. 262 00:13:21,868 --> 00:13:23,802 Vera, voice-over: The D.A. the office starts asking 263 00:13:23,804 --> 00:13:25,670 we question. 264 00:13:25,672 --> 00:13:28,506 Everyone who asks us for something we give them. 265 00:13:28,508 --> 00:13:30,308 We think we are actually beyond what 266 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:31,743 we should do it. 267 00:13:31,745 --> 00:13:34,479 My compliance officer actually collects the binder 268 00:13:34,481 --> 00:13:36,548 for his staff, and basically, 269 00:13:36,550 --> 00:13:38,850 the beginning of the case was handed over to his team 270 00:13:38,852 --> 00:13:41,686 in the form of a binder. 271 00:13:41,688 --> 00:13:43,755 You know, at first, you think they are here 272 00:13:43,757 --> 00:13:46,357 to find out what happened to us 273 00:13:46,359 --> 00:13:48,793 because they are law enforcement. 274 00:13:48,795 --> 00:13:50,562 I don't know where and at which point 275 00:13:50,564 --> 00:13:52,397 we switch to... 276 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:53,531 in their minds, yes, for what... 277 00:13:53,533 --> 00:13:55,333 in their minds and then we realize 278 00:13:55,335 --> 00:13:56,801 "wait a minute. 279 00:13:56,803 --> 00:14:00,171 You know, maybe we are the target. " 280 00:14:00,173 --> 00:14:03,208 We spend a lot of time investigating 281 00:14:03,210 --> 00:14:05,677 and ending really sure 282 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:10,215 that loan department corrupt 283 00:14:10,217 --> 00:14:12,116 pretty much through and through. 284 00:14:12,118 --> 00:14:13,985 Pak Wong runs loan department, 285 00:14:13,987 --> 00:14:17,222 and widespread fraud occurs ahead 286 00:14:17,224 --> 00:14:19,357 about him every day. That office believes that knowledge 287 00:14:33,005 --> 00:14:36,641 corruption rises to people who are high enough in the bank 288 00:14:36,643 --> 00:14:39,611 that the bank is the law for that. 289 00:14:39,613 --> 00:14:44,716 Let me assure you which we don't take lightly 290 00:14:44,718 --> 00:14:46,651 accusations that we announce today. 291 00:14:46,653 --> 00:14:48,720 In fact, the last time this office was submitted 1991. 292 00:14:48,722 --> 00:14:50,622 Now these defendants, banks and former employees 293 00:14:50,624 --> 00:14:55,460 294 00:14:55,462 --> 00:14:58,296 295 00:14:58,298 --> 00:15:00,031 and manager of the loan department, 296 00:15:00,033 --> 00:15:03,468 charged with the involvement of in a systematic scheme 297 00:15:03,470 --> 00:15:06,437 falsify and compose loan applications 298 00:15:06,439 --> 00:15:08,640 to the national federal mortgage association, 299 00:15:08,642 --> 00:15:11,442 generally known as Fannie Mae. 300 00:15:11,444 --> 00:15:13,278 When exactly does indictment occur, 301 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,046 I think the biggest fear is that it will happen 302 00:15:15,048 --> 00:15:17,515 directly involves Jill, 303 00:15:17,517 --> 00:15:20,285 and that is something that we cannot understand, 304 00:15:20,287 --> 00:15:22,020 just knowing how we grew up, 305 00:15:22,022 --> 00:15:25,556 that he can feel guilty something like that. 306 00:15:25,558 --> 00:15:26,925 Jill, voice-over: I mean, I think they must be 307 00:15:26,927 --> 00:15:29,727 see try to get us, to get me, yes, 308 00:15:29,729 --> 00:15:31,696 because I am the CEO of and the president, 309 00:15:31,698 --> 00:15:34,198 but they don't charge me individually 310 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:35,767 because they don't have any proof 311 00:15:35,769 --> 00:15:38,536 to support that I am involved in mistakes. 312 00:15:38,538 --> 00:15:41,139 We feel that proof can be proven to stop 313 00:15:41,141 --> 00:15:42,607 at a certain level, 314 00:15:42,609 --> 00:15:46,277 but that is the individual who is accused 315 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:48,212 quite high in company 316 00:15:48,214 --> 00:15:51,215 to charge corporations. 317 00:15:51,217 --> 00:15:53,217 I am in the district attorney's office 318 00:15:53,219 --> 00:15:55,553 as a prosecutor for 7 years, 319 00:15:55,555 --> 00:15:59,424 the very division brought this prosecution 320 00:15:59,426 --> 00:16:01,960 against family banks, 321 00:16:01,962 --> 00:16:04,629 and when I know what they do, 322 00:16:04,631 --> 00:16:07,298 I have to go to the head of my bureau 323 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:09,200 so he knows that, 324 00:16:09,202 --> 00:16:10,735 You know, this is happening, 325 00:16:10,737 --> 00:16:12,570 there is a potential conflict here, 326 00:16:12,572 --> 00:16:15,873 and that makes me very angry that the same office 327 00:16:15,875 --> 00:16:20,745 where I have served and trained to do that. 328 00:16:20,747 --> 00:16:23,881 To find out what they are doing this is against my family, 329 00:16:23,883 --> 00:16:26,517 who I am. 330 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:27,952 That's where I come from, 331 00:16:27,954 --> 00:16:32,256 and then find out my reputation in the office 332 00:16:32,258 --> 00:16:35,059 is one of the highest integrity. 333 00:16:35,061 --> 00:16:36,327 That's just... 334 00:16:39,031 --> 00:16:41,032 Does not make sense. 335 00:16:59,451 --> 00:17:01,152 What is very interesting 336 00:17:01,154 --> 00:17:04,956 is the way D.A. pursued aspects of public relations 337 00:17:04,958 --> 00:17:06,624 this prosecution. 338 00:17:06,626 --> 00:17:08,292 Journalists in this city are treated 339 00:17:08,294 --> 00:17:10,995 to this extraordinary photo opportunity, 340 00:17:10,997 --> 00:17:14,198 This almost looks Stalinist chain gang. 341 00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:25,243 I am a former prosecutor. 342 00:17:25,245 --> 00:17:26,778 I am not soft on crime. 343 00:17:26,780 --> 00:17:29,013 I have never seen a show like this. 344 00:17:29,015 --> 00:17:33,418 These people are deliberately humiliated without good reason. 345 00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:35,853 Not that district prosecutor's office 346 00:17:35,855 --> 00:17:38,623 347 00:17:38,625 --> 00:17:42,427 the decision whether or not to put cuffed people, 348 00:17:42,429 --> 00:17:44,429 but people who are brought to court 349 00:17:44,431 --> 00:17:46,364 which has been billed with crime 350 00:17:46,366 --> 00:17:48,633 put into handcuffs. 351 00:17:48,635 --> 00:17:52,570 It was a decision made by a court official. 352 00:17:52,572 --> 00:17:54,205 I will not discuss it more than that 353 00:17:54,207 --> 00:17:57,508 because, you know, it's not something that involves me. 354 00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:59,010 Court officials don't leave 355 00:17:59,012 --> 00:18:00,311 courtroom. 356 00:18:00,313 --> 00:18:01,579 They are taken to the hallway 357 00:18:01,581 --> 00:18:04,549 by the district attorney investigators. 358 00:18:06,819 --> 00:18:10,455 I got off the elevator, and I saw what was happening. 359 00:18:10,457 --> 00:18:13,191 I have never seen that all my time 360 00:18:13,193 --> 00:18:14,525 in the D.A office. 361 00:18:14,527 --> 00:18:16,727 I mean, this is like the case of this century. 362 00:18:16,729 --> 00:18:21,499 He will never do that with... with a black group 363 00:18:21,501 --> 00:18:22,967 employees, you know. 364 00:18:22,969 --> 00:18:25,503 I mean, everyone will see for what it is, 365 00:18:25,505 --> 00:18:29,373 and they actually are staged so much 366 00:18:29,375 --> 00:18:32,043 3 people that are are in that chain 367 00:18:32,045 --> 00:18:33,878 has been dragged, 368 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,746 already posted bonds 369 00:18:35,748 --> 00:18:37,949 and are awaiting trial. 370 00:18:37,951 --> 00:18:40,218 The D.A. has added the cost of 371 00:18:40,220 --> 00:18:41,919 to Mr. Wong & apos; s indictment. 372 00:18:41,921 --> 00:18:43,588 Normally, you don't even have to go 373 00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:44,655 through that process again. 374 00:18:44,657 --> 00:18:46,090 They only add accusations, 375 00:18:46,092 --> 00:18:48,826 You are dragged again, guarantee transferred, 376 00:18:48,828 --> 00:18:50,194 and that. 377 00:18:50,196 --> 00:18:52,463 Instead, they have me submit him, 378 00:18:52,465 --> 00:18:53,898 and the next thing you know, 379 00:18:53,900 --> 00:18:57,335 I saw him chained to 15 other people, 380 00:18:57,337 --> 00:19:00,838 be herded like cattle in the hallway of 100 Center street. 381 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,573 I have done this for 25 years, 382 00:19:02,575 --> 00:19:05,009 and I have never seen it that happened before. 383 00:19:05,011 --> 00:19:07,311 I'm sure there are security issues 384 00:19:07,313 --> 00:19:10,448 behind that decision, but that decision 385 00:19:10,450 --> 00:19:16,254 can also have and... implications and create feelings 386 00:19:16,256 --> 00:19:20,124 that... which does not reflect 387 00:19:20,126 --> 00:19:21,826 view of the office or my view, 388 00:19:21,828 --> 00:19:24,495 and... and to some extent that happens here, 389 00:19:24,497 --> 00:19:27,131 I think that... that's very unfortunate, 390 00:19:27,133 --> 00:19:30,801 but that... it happened. 391 00:19:39,745 --> 00:19:43,014 This is an insult to me. That... 392 00:19:46,785 --> 00:19:48,586 Chanterelle, voice-over: And that's where I see 393 00:19:48,588 --> 00:19:51,756 combined incompetence with arrogance. 394 00:19:53,258 --> 00:19:56,894 My bureau deputy head, he is always very inspiring, 395 00:19:56,896 --> 00:19:58,563 and he will always refer to inscription 396 00:19:58,565 --> 00:19:59,630 outside 100 center of the road 397 00:19:59,632 --> 00:20:03,868 about having confidence in justice, 398 00:20:03,870 --> 00:20:07,838 but I don't... I don't believe it anymore. 399 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,609 I decided to go D.A. 400 00:20:11,611 --> 00:20:13,678 That really angered the Chinese community, 401 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:14,879 but so what? 402 00:20:14,881 --> 00:20:18,482 They will not decide selection for Vance. 403 00:20:27,593 --> 00:20:29,527 That's it. Ha ha ha! 404 00:20:29,529 --> 00:20:31,262 Have you done it many times? 405 00:20:31,264 --> 00:20:32,697 my whole life. 406 00:20:35,467 --> 00:20:36,667 That is an association 407 00:20:36,669 --> 00:20:38,502 where my great grandfather was, 408 00:20:38,504 --> 00:20:41,739 my grandfather, my father. 409 00:20:41,741 --> 00:20:44,242 Back in days with exception actions, 410 00:20:44,244 --> 00:20:46,444 people don't have rights. 411 00:20:46,446 --> 00:20:48,579 This is where they will do it it all comes. 412 00:20:48,581 --> 00:20:50,681 Family association Like this one 413 00:20:50,683 --> 00:20:54,252 is the only place where they feel welcomed. 414 00:20:54,254 --> 00:20:57,255 Like Mr. Sung, what drives me 415 00:20:57,257 --> 00:20:59,190 is a sense of community. 416 00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:13,337 Lee, voice-over: This case is about an attack 417 00:21:13,339 --> 00:21:15,039 in our community. 418 00:21:15,041 --> 00:21:16,574 We are easy prey. 419 00:21:16,576 --> 00:21:18,576 I think that's what happened. 420 00:21:18,578 --> 00:21:21,479 People have reasons to be afraid of authority 421 00:21:21,481 --> 00:21:22,880 or what can happen to them, 422 00:21:22,882 --> 00:21:26,550 You know, the levy, years of oppression 423 00:21:26,552 --> 00:21:28,586 it happens from street vendors, 424 00:21:28,588 --> 00:21:30,054 from a small business, 425 00:21:30,056 --> 00:21:32,990 from people who have just written tickets because they can. 426 00:22:16,568 --> 00:22:18,703 This is more than just Abacus Savings Bank 427 00:22:18,705 --> 00:22:20,037 cleared. 428 00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:24,408 It's about freeing our entire community, 429 00:22:24,410 --> 00:22:26,844 no matter what we do, 430 00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:29,814 well the little one sells vegetables 431 00:22:29,816 --> 00:22:32,717 or banks that do business. 432 00:22:32,719 --> 00:22:35,720 I told Mr. Sung, "I'm happy they chose you 433 00:22:35,722 --> 00:22:37,588 because you're a warrior." 434 00:22:40,225 --> 00:22:43,694 Cyrus Vance has just felt this is more vulnerable, 435 00:22:43,696 --> 00:22:45,596 especially it is a family bank, 436 00:22:45,598 --> 00:22:48,866 but he is not aware tom is not easy 437 00:22:48,868 --> 00:22:52,303 to be driven around. 438 00:22:52,305 --> 00:22:55,506 And my girls, they're tough, 439 00:22:55,508 --> 00:22:59,844 intelligent and capable women, very brave. 440 00:22:59,846 --> 00:23:03,247 Although this is whether David is against Goliath, 441 00:23:03,249 --> 00:23:04,782 David, being Abacus Federal Savings Bank, 442 00:23:04,784 --> 00:23:07,551 have slingshots, and that, you know, 443 00:23:07,553 --> 00:23:08,886 they are the whole family lawyers. 444 00:23:08,888 --> 00:23:11,389 I will be able to fight this. 445 00:23:11,391 --> 00:23:12,757 They are almost cheerful. They are like, 446 00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:14,458 "We will have our day in court now. 447 00:23:14,460 --> 00:23:16,994 " We actually will be displayed 448 00:23:16,996 --> 00:23:19,029 that they are wrong. " 449 00:23:19,031 --> 00:23:20,297 They make a decision 450 00:23:20,299 --> 00:23:22,800 that they don't will plead guilty 451 00:23:22,802 --> 00:23:24,435 to something they don't feel 452 00:23:24,437 --> 00:23:26,036 the bank is guilty. 453 00:23:26,038 --> 00:23:30,808 That is a bold choice, and that is an expensive choice. 454 00:23:30,810 --> 00:23:33,043 D.A Office hundreds of lawyers 455 00:23:33,045 --> 00:23:36,414 and it takes 5 years to do it their grand jury investigation, 456 00:23:36,416 --> 00:23:40,751 and that is a daunting task to fight the government. 457 00:23:42,821 --> 00:23:47,491 Good morning, Mr. and Mrs. Jury. 458 00:23:47,493 --> 00:23:50,027 This is a simple case about banks 459 00:23:50,029 --> 00:23:53,164 who have been converted into a criminal conspiracy 460 00:23:53,166 --> 00:23:55,833 driven by greed. 461 00:23:55,835 --> 00:23:57,768 Defendants Abacus Federal Savings Bank 462 00:23:57,770 --> 00:24:01,572 engage in an ongoing process conspiracy mortgage fraud. 463 00:24:01,574 --> 00:24:05,709 They routinely faked and falsified mortgage documents and then deceive the federal national mortgage association, 464 00:24:05,711 --> 00:24:09,213 generally known as Fannie Mae. 465 00:24:09,215 --> 00:24:11,615 They take Fannie Mae money for loans, 466 00:24:11,617 --> 00:24:13,951 full of lies, while promising 467 00:24:13,953 --> 00:24:16,353 468 00:24:16,355 --> 00:24:17,455 that the loan exists 469 00:24:17,457 --> 00:24:20,691 honest and verified information. 470 00:24:20,693 --> 00:24:25,229 The defendants did this again and again and again, 471 00:24:25,231 --> 00:24:27,998 and between 2005 and 2010, 472 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,468 banks generate millions dollar services 473 00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:33,571 and sell fake loans to Fannie Mae. 474 00:24:33,573 --> 00:24:36,774 The defendants plotted to steal money from Fannie Mae 475 00:24:36,776 --> 00:24:40,444 and indeed, actually, stole money from Fannie Mae. 476 00:24:43,682 --> 00:24:45,950 Historians tell us that Abraham Lincoln 477 00:24:45,952 --> 00:24:48,319 likes puzzles, and one of his favorites 478 00:24:48,321 --> 00:24:50,321 go like this. 479 00:24:50,323 --> 00:24:52,256 If you call the tail of the leg, 480 00:24:52,258 --> 00:24:54,492 How many legs does the dog have? 481 00:24:54,494 --> 00:24:56,760 And the answer is 4 482 00:24:56,762 --> 00:25:00,431 because calling the tail of the foot does not make it a leg. 483 00:25:00,433 --> 00:25:04,201 Calling Fannie Mae as a victim of from big theft and fraud 484 00:25:04,203 --> 00:25:08,239 like calling the tail of a dog. 485 00:25:08,241 --> 00:25:12,109 We don't lose, we don't harm, 486 00:25:12,111 --> 00:25:14,111 we don't have theft, 487 00:25:14,113 --> 00:25:16,514 we don't have fraud. 488 00:25:20,786 --> 00:25:21,852 Hello? 489 00:25:21,854 --> 00:25:24,655 Heather? You are talking. 490 00:25:24,657 --> 00:25:26,156 Good. 491 00:25:26,158 --> 00:25:28,092 So how does everything work today? 492 00:25:28,094 --> 00:25:29,827 That is a very long day. 493 00:25:29,829 --> 00:25:32,263 We are exhausted. Long day. 494 00:25:32,265 --> 00:25:33,998 I am very tired. 495 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,399 Don't get me wrong. 496 00:25:35,401 --> 00:25:39,036 I think all lawyers do a very, very good job, 497 00:25:39,038 --> 00:25:42,072 but feeling, emotion 498 00:25:42,074 --> 00:25:43,707 a little less. 499 00:25:43,709 --> 00:25:46,877 The good, strong... He doesn't touch that emotion. 500 00:25:46,879 --> 00:25:49,680 Presentation of your case requires emotion. 501 00:25:49,682 --> 00:25:51,415 Of course, there are many other things it can be said or it should be said. 502 00:25:51,417 --> 00:25:53,684 You must let you attorney at this point, 503 00:25:53,686 --> 00:25:56,186 504 00:25:56,188 --> 00:25:57,354 who lives with this case 505 00:25:57,356 --> 00:25:59,156 and feels very strong about that, 506 00:25:59,158 --> 00:26:01,025 You have to let him... let him... 507 00:26:01,027 --> 00:26:02,059 I think he... 508 00:26:02,061 --> 00:26:03,661 leave him, let him do it. 509 00:26:03,663 --> 00:26:05,496 He spends the most time talking about how we stopped closing it, 510 00:26:05,498 --> 00:26:07,598 and he shows you what steps do we take after that. 511 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,768 If you... the jury must be convinced 512 00:26:10,770 --> 00:26:12,870 by document proof. Very thorough. 513 00:26:12,872 --> 00:26:14,471 I agree with you. 514 00:26:14,473 --> 00:26:15,539 The facts are taken out, 515 00:26:15,541 --> 00:26:17,408 the law is issued. 516 00:26:17,410 --> 00:26:19,176 He said... He really said... 517 00:26:19,178 --> 00:26:21,045 30 years of business. 518 00:26:21,047 --> 00:26:23,213 He hasn't finished yet. That's not what it means. 519 00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:24,615 Let him finish it. 520 00:26:24,617 --> 00:26:25,749 You continue to interrupt. 521 00:26:25,751 --> 00:26:27,051 Let him express his feelings. He must. 522 00:26:27,053 --> 00:26:28,719 523 00:26:28,721 --> 00:26:30,921 Judges are not permitted to consider... 524 00:26:30,923 --> 00:26:32,623 we are allowed to express our feelings too. 525 00:26:32,625 --> 00:26:34,291 Yes, but you don't have to jump up and down. 526 00:26:34,293 --> 00:26:35,726 I haven't jumped up yet. 527 00:26:35,728 --> 00:26:36,860 I haven't actually spoken is... is... 528 00:26:36,862 --> 00:26:39,697 You talk back to me again. 529 00:26:39,699 --> 00:26:42,166 I have to work. I must sign a loan. 530 00:26:42,168 --> 00:26:44,668 The loan has been on my desk for 3 days now. 531 00:26:44,670 --> 00:26:46,370 I want to give loans People. 532 00:26:46,372 --> 00:26:48,339 Do you know what? Don't be too excited. 533 00:26:48,341 --> 00:26:51,075 I don't. I just said I have to solve many things. 534 00:26:51,077 --> 00:26:52,443 Leave it alone, leave it alone. 535 00:26:52,445 --> 00:26:54,411 Heather, I'm dependent on you now, okay? 536 00:26:56,448 --> 00:26:57,748 Rocket. Let's go. 537 00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:59,583 Ok, Jill. We will leave you. 538 00:26:59,585 --> 00:27:01,051 Exit, exit, exit, exit. Come on. 539 00:27:01,053 --> 00:27:02,653 We have to work now. Let's go! 540 00:27:07,692 --> 00:27:10,194 So there are 180 or more than that 541 00:27:10,196 --> 00:27:12,062 in this trial. 542 00:27:15,166 --> 00:27:16,667 And let's also remember 543 00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:19,503 that there is, I think, 10 pleading guilty here. 544 00:27:19,505 --> 00:27:22,473 The D.A., the case is built basically in reality 545 00:27:22,475 --> 00:27:25,743 that he caught all this low-level loan officer. 546 00:27:25,745 --> 00:27:27,344 They start going to people's homes, 547 00:27:27,346 --> 00:27:29,413 many people at 6:00 a.m., 548 00:27:29,415 --> 00:27:34,051 knock on their door and demand... 549 00:27:34,053 --> 00:27:35,653 not forceful but demanding it 550 00:27:35,655 --> 00:27:37,221 people go down to the district attorney's office 551 00:27:37,223 --> 00:27:39,289 and talk to them, and they get lots of statements 552 00:27:39,291 --> 00:27:41,358 from many people use that tactic. 553 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:42,926 Speaking about Chinese people, 554 00:27:42,928 --> 00:27:46,830 many of them... have come from the police state, 555 00:27:46,832 --> 00:27:49,900 and in China, people that fear, 556 00:27:49,902 --> 00:27:52,369 knock at the door. 557 00:27:52,371 --> 00:27:54,038 Good morning, Mr. Yu. 558 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,172 Good morning. 559 00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:56,907 When court officials swear to you, 560 00:27:56,909 --> 00:27:58,409 he asks your name. 561 00:27:58,411 --> 00:28:00,644 You say Qui Bin Yu. 562 00:28:00,646 --> 00:28:03,047 Are there other names You passed? 563 00:28:03,049 --> 00:28:05,115 Ken Yu. 564 00:28:05,117 --> 00:28:08,318 This is this man, Ken Yu, 565 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,754 who knows how the bank knows 566 00:28:10,756 --> 00:28:13,057 about this error in the first place, 567 00:28:13,059 --> 00:28:15,159 people who are fired by the bank. 568 00:28:15,161 --> 00:28:17,127 Not only does he falsify documents 569 00:28:17,129 --> 00:28:18,796 to pay off a loan, 570 00:28:18,798 --> 00:28:21,699 he stole money from customers. 571 00:28:21,701 --> 00:28:26,470 The man finally becomes a witness starring the D.A office. 572 00:28:26,472 --> 00:28:28,439 Mr. Yu, I want to direct 573 00:28:28,441 --> 00:28:30,874 your attention for the Ariel Chi case. 574 00:28:30,876 --> 00:28:34,111 Chi is a borrower You stole money from, right? 575 00:28:34,113 --> 00:28:35,345 Yes sir. 576 00:28:35,347 --> 00:28:37,047 Isn't that right? You ask Ms. Chi 577 00:28:37,049 --> 00:28:38,849 for cash tips, too? 578 00:28:38,851 --> 00:28:41,151 No, I never asked him for cash tips. 579 00:28:41,153 --> 00:28:42,853 I don't remember that part. 580 00:28:42,855 --> 00:28:45,923 Mr. Yu, there is a telephone conversation with Ariel Chi. 581 00:28:45,925 --> 00:28:47,424 Is that true? 582 00:28:47,426 --> 00:28:48,726 Right, sir. 583 00:28:48,728 --> 00:28:50,561 And at that time, you don't know 584 00:28:50,563 --> 00:28:53,063 that Ms. Chi actually records the conversation 585 00:28:53,065 --> 00:28:57,000 with help from from the district attorney's office, right? 586 00:28:57,002 --> 00:28:59,069 Yes sir. 587 00:28:59,071 --> 00:29:01,905 D.A Office trying to make it 588 00:29:01,907 --> 00:29:04,875 implies the bank. 589 00:29:04,877 --> 00:29:07,544 This recording is taken to court 590 00:29:07,546 --> 00:29:11,515 through our lawyer at cross examination of Ken Yu. 591 00:29:11,517 --> 00:29:14,184 Let's go straight into it. 592 00:29:14,186 --> 00:29:16,053 You told me after closing 593 00:29:16,055 --> 00:29:17,621 that I have to go 594 00:29:17,623 --> 00:29:20,023 and give you cash, right? 595 00:29:20,025 --> 00:29:21,525 To make everything... 596 00:29:21,527 --> 00:29:24,595 I mean... legally, you shouldn't do that, 597 00:29:24,597 --> 00:29:26,029 but, hey, that's after closing. 598 00:29:26,031 --> 00:29:28,398 I mean, everything else is legally incorrect, 599 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,435 so, you know, I think the others... 600 00:29:31,437 --> 00:29:33,570 It's just not written the rules are, uh... 601 00:29:33,572 --> 00:29:36,740 it happens in every case I see. 602 00:29:36,742 --> 00:29:41,578 You know, in the end, you, like, you show appreciation. 603 00:29:41,580 --> 00:29:43,147 Doing this refresh your memory 604 00:29:43,149 --> 00:29:46,049 Do you really ask for a tip? 605 00:29:46,051 --> 00:29:48,585 Yes. 606 00:29:48,587 --> 00:29:50,487 I know that he can't see me. 607 00:29:50,489 --> 00:29:51,755 That's very telling. Yes. 608 00:29:51,757 --> 00:29:53,524 He can't see me, but I, like, 609 00:29:53,526 --> 00:29:55,025 "I'll see in you." 610 00:29:55,027 --> 00:29:56,560 I like, "I will do it burn you with my eyes." 611 00:29:56,562 --> 00:29:58,662 I look at it carefully, too, too. 612 00:29:58,664 --> 00:30:01,865 "I dare you say what you want to say." 613 00:30:01,867 --> 00:30:05,269 He stands on the pulpit and swears falsely 614 00:30:05,271 --> 00:30:07,538 again and again and again 615 00:30:07,540 --> 00:30:11,775 by the way a defense lawyer just can't 616 00:30:11,777 --> 00:30:14,311 in more careers than once or twice. 617 00:30:14,313 --> 00:30:16,947 The jury laughs at her several times. 618 00:30:16,949 --> 00:30:21,652 Abacus... you told me that Abacus knew, right? 619 00:30:21,654 --> 00:30:23,687 We did not say it to the bank. 620 00:30:23,689 --> 00:30:26,056 Only individuals, people 621 00:30:26,058 --> 00:30:27,457 who works for the bank. 622 00:30:27,459 --> 00:30:29,159 I am a bank employee, 623 00:30:29,161 --> 00:30:32,095 and so are other insurers. 624 00:30:32,097 --> 00:30:34,565 So... ok, but, like, Abacus, 625 00:30:34,567 --> 00:30:38,101 like, the bank they know all those people 626 00:30:38,103 --> 00:30:41,271 This is finished, right? 627 00:30:41,273 --> 00:30:43,574 I... I will say that. 628 00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:47,010 Now you have a long gap there, 629 00:30:47,012 --> 00:30:48,412 isn't that right, Mr. Yu? 630 00:30:48,414 --> 00:30:49,746 I'm driving. 631 00:30:49,748 --> 00:30:52,115 So it's a long gap because you're driving, 632 00:30:52,117 --> 00:30:53,483 are you interrupted? 633 00:30:53,485 --> 00:30:54,885 Is that your testimony? 634 00:30:54,887 --> 00:30:57,454 I don't remember, but I definitely drive. 635 00:30:57,456 --> 00:30:59,723 You will say that if you get into trouble. 636 00:30:59,725 --> 00:31:00,924 Is that what you mean there? 637 00:31:00,926 --> 00:31:02,392 I say that because... it's very... 638 00:31:02,394 --> 00:31:03,827 Mr. Yu, I ask you... 639 00:31:03,829 --> 00:31:06,263 this is a strange way to answer that question, 640 00:31:06,265 --> 00:31:09,132 and I ask you what do you mean by... 641 00:31:09,134 --> 00:31:11,268 I... I will say that. 642 00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:15,038 I will say that. I believe it. 643 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,309 Well, the jury can decide what your tone suggests. 644 00:31:19,311 --> 00:31:20,978 It becomes very clear 645 00:31:20,980 --> 00:31:22,880 that he has no trouble lying. 646 00:31:22,882 --> 00:31:24,915 If that's how he is comfortable acting, 647 00:31:24,917 --> 00:31:26,850 I will think about it he will feel comfortable 648 00:31:26,852 --> 00:31:29,586 say more to try to link directly 649 00:31:29,588 --> 00:31:33,257 Mr. Tam and Mr. Wong and Jill Sung 650 00:31:33,259 --> 00:31:35,993 with what happened, but even he did not do that. 651 00:31:35,995 --> 00:31:40,998 But you also have to do it don't let go of facts 652 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,934 which he did not get this method overnight. 653 00:31:43,936 --> 00:31:46,837 He has years like this 654 00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:50,040 behavior it is only ignored on various occasions. 655 00:31:50,042 --> 00:31:53,043 What role is happening bank management game 656 00:31:53,045 --> 00:31:54,578 in what happened? 657 00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:57,681 How much they don't realize what is happening 658 00:31:57,683 --> 00:32:01,184 versus closing eyes because everything works well 659 00:32:01,186 --> 00:32:03,153 and the results are good? 660 00:32:03,155 --> 00:32:06,056 Ken Yu is clearly a bad egg. 661 00:32:06,058 --> 00:32:08,492 By using Ken Yu, which is the worst of the worst, 662 00:32:08,494 --> 00:32:10,227 D.A office. say, 663 00:32:10,229 --> 00:32:12,763 "This is his face from the institution," 664 00:32:12,765 --> 00:32:15,999 and the judges will believe that and find it credible. 665 00:32:16,001 --> 00:32:19,436 If the bank conspires like that with this person, 666 00:32:19,438 --> 00:32:21,204 then why do we fire him? 667 00:32:21,206 --> 00:32:23,340 We want to save him. 668 00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:28,545 What is D.A. accused the Abacus Bank of being ridiculous and really no one considers what big banks do. 669 00:32:28,547 --> 00:32:33,383 All banks are too big to fail, 670 00:32:34,652 --> 00:32:37,087 Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, 671 00:32:37,089 --> 00:32:39,222 J.P. Morgan Chase, and Citicorp 672 00:32:39,224 --> 00:32:42,125 has admitted a big crime, 673 00:32:42,127 --> 00:32:44,561 and they have been charged even worse. 674 00:32:44,563 --> 00:32:47,564 Almost every direction financial company 675 00:32:47,566 --> 00:32:49,967 and big banks in this country 676 00:32:49,969 --> 00:32:51,601 and many more from foreign banks, too, 677 00:32:51,603 --> 00:32:53,603 engaged in a very wide fraud scheme 678 00:32:53,605 --> 00:32:56,640 679 00:32:56,642 --> 00:33:00,877 where they publish a large number of home loans, 680 00:33:00,879 --> 00:33:03,113 especially for middle- and low-income borrowers, 681 00:33:03,115 --> 00:33:06,283 and then they repackaged it the loan and sold it 682 00:33:06,285 --> 00:33:07,651 to investors 683 00:33:07,653 --> 00:33:11,488 but disguise them as high-ranking securities. 684 00:33:14,692 --> 00:33:17,828 That's very unusual dangerous toxic loans 685 00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:20,030 which most likely will explode and explode 686 00:33:20,032 --> 00:33:22,933 in large numbers after 2008. 687 00:33:26,537 --> 00:33:28,071 But there is such an assumption 688 00:33:28,073 --> 00:33:30,140 we cannot bring crimes against them 689 00:33:30,142 --> 00:33:32,376 because of guarantees consequences 690 00:33:32,378 --> 00:33:34,044 an institution is very large, 691 00:33:34,046 --> 00:33:35,479 internationally connected 692 00:33:35,481 --> 00:33:37,414 who charge them or file criminal complaints 693 00:33:37,416 --> 00:33:40,984 against them can be destroyed entire financial system. 694 00:33:42,987 --> 00:33:44,087 So you have 695 00:33:44,089 --> 00:33:45,088 this big offender, 696 00:33:45,090 --> 00:33:46,189 and they commit crime. 697 00:33:46,191 --> 00:33:49,126 "We will only take money." 698 00:33:49,128 --> 00:33:50,227 They will cut the check 699 00:33:50,229 --> 00:33:51,895 and make everything disappear. 700 00:33:53,831 --> 00:33:56,299 I think every American is angry 701 00:33:56,301 --> 00:33:58,769 in that crisis we passed. 702 00:33:58,771 --> 00:34:03,774 There is that behavior unethical, 703 00:34:03,776 --> 00:34:07,077 and I think Americans are angry that security 704 00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:11,782 for loans made is often fictitious, 705 00:34:11,784 --> 00:34:15,285 and in Abacus, there are some truths too. 706 00:34:15,287 --> 00:34:17,587 Obviously is not a big big bank. 707 00:34:20,191 --> 00:34:22,292 And obviously not that 708 00:34:22,294 --> 00:34:24,161 representative of the whole 709 00:34:24,163 --> 00:34:25,796 financial community, 710 00:34:25,798 --> 00:34:29,933 but I think the principle is the same. 711 00:34:29,935 --> 00:34:33,036 This shows, I think, very graphic 712 00:34:33,038 --> 00:34:37,140 this difference in the way we deal with certain types of actors 713 00:34:37,142 --> 00:34:39,109 versus others. 714 00:34:39,111 --> 00:34:41,945 Pak Sung doesn't offer the same agreement. 715 00:34:41,947 --> 00:34:45,582 He was not offered the opportunity to pay a fine. 716 00:34:45,584 --> 00:34:48,852 He was not offered the opportunity to plead guilty 717 00:34:48,854 --> 00:34:50,220 for some small things. 718 00:34:50,222 --> 00:34:52,522 He is not offered a chance even a suspended prosecution. 719 00:34:52,524 --> 00:34:54,724 He doesn't get all that offers him. 720 00:34:54,726 --> 00:34:56,593 Thomas, voiceover: The D.A. tell us 721 00:34:56,595 --> 00:34:59,996 "You must accept it plead guilty 722 00:34:59,998 --> 00:35:03,600 for crimes plus fines." 723 00:35:03,602 --> 00:35:06,436 Now what are our choices? 724 00:35:06,438 --> 00:35:08,772 They want confidence, 725 00:35:08,774 --> 00:35:10,674 and Vance will chase him. 726 00:35:10,676 --> 00:35:14,211 I think if you will choose a bank to choose from, 727 00:35:14,213 --> 00:35:16,913 a family owned company sandwiched between some noodle shops 728 00:35:16,915 --> 00:35:19,983 in Chinatown is about as easy as a target 729 00:35:19,985 --> 00:35:21,785 because you might be able to choose. 730 00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:26,256 I think characterization 731 00:35:26,258 --> 00:35:28,658 that this is somehow cultural bias 732 00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:31,895 in the office section, uh, completely misplaced 733 00:35:31,897 --> 00:35:33,363 and completely wrong. 734 00:35:33,365 --> 00:35:35,499 We devote a lot of effort to protect immigrant communities, 735 00:35:35,501 --> 00:35:37,968 and I feel that our handling of the bank is consistent with how we will do it handle banks 736 00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:41,571 if we are investigating banks that are served 737 00:35:41,573 --> 00:35:43,039 South American community or Indian community. 738 00:35:43,041 --> 00:35:45,942 There is nothing different that we do 739 00:35:45,944 --> 00:35:48,678 or deliberately designed to treat this bank differently. 740 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,747 That is important for prosecution to be displayed 741 00:35:50,749 --> 00:35:53,950 how exactly the loan manager knows what is happening. 742 00:35:59,557 --> 00:36:02,025 I think the most interesting proof they have 743 00:36:02,027 --> 00:36:06,830 is a seating chart from the Abacus loan department. 744 00:36:06,832 --> 00:36:10,100 745 00:36:10,102 --> 00:36:14,437 746 00:36:14,439 --> 00:36:17,741 Loan officers who have been charged 747 00:36:17,743 --> 00:36:19,543 spread around the floor, 748 00:36:19,545 --> 00:36:21,444 and somewhere in the middle 749 00:36:21,446 --> 00:36:23,914 is a loan office manager. 750 00:36:23,916 --> 00:36:25,182 This is all happening 751 00:36:25,184 --> 00:36:27,784 around Pak Tam's table. 752 00:36:27,786 --> 00:36:30,387 How he will not be aware of from this type of behavior 753 00:36:30,389 --> 00:36:33,356 currently happening every day regularly? 754 00:36:33,358 --> 00:36:35,158 It's not so simple 755 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,626 as they want you believe 756 00:36:36,628 --> 00:36:39,629 as a simple image to where someone is sitting. 757 00:36:39,631 --> 00:36:42,132 But above that, they bring Ken Yu, 758 00:36:42,134 --> 00:36:43,567 who is a perfect liar, 759 00:36:43,569 --> 00:36:46,269 and he speaks in a different language than Mr. Tam. 760 00:36:46,271 --> 00:36:47,971 He does business outside the bank. 761 00:36:47,973 --> 00:36:49,973 Actually, at one point, they cross-checked Ken 762 00:36:49,975 --> 00:36:52,609 because Ken said, "oh, that person gave me cash. 763 00:36:52,611 --> 00:36:54,177 I am counting from my table. " 764 00:36:54,179 --> 00:36:56,646 When the borrower comes to testify, 765 00:36:56,648 --> 00:36:57,881 the borrower says," no. 766 00:36:57,883 --> 00:37:00,650 I met him at the lobby from the bank. " 767 00:37:00,652 --> 00:37:02,252 We are able to show 768 00:37:02,254 --> 00:37:05,989 that loan officers are taking steps 769 00:37:05,991 --> 00:37:08,558 to hide their mistakes from underwriters 770 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,294 and more senior levels banks. 771 00:37:11,296 --> 00:37:13,196 They will stop talking when a guarantor 772 00:37:13,198 --> 00:37:14,731 will come to the floor. 773 00:37:14,733 --> 00:37:16,733 They will falsify signatures to make sure 774 00:37:16,735 --> 00:37:18,735 signatures will match. 775 00:37:18,737 --> 00:37:21,037 When guarantor sees the file, 776 00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:24,140 everything will look normal. 777 00:37:24,142 --> 00:37:27,510 If the borrower told me that she works at a local food store 778 00:37:27,512 --> 00:37:31,281 and income for tax returns is $ 300 per week, 779 00:37:31,283 --> 00:37:34,284 it's not enough to get a mortgage loan from us, 780 00:37:34,286 --> 00:37:36,052 but instead of rejecting it, 781 00:37:36,054 --> 00:37:38,655 what I will do is ask "is there an employer 782 00:37:38,657 --> 00:37:41,024 who can verify higher income?" 783 00:37:41,026 --> 00:37:43,326 And when will you record that information, 784 00:37:43,328 --> 00:37:45,695 do you believe that honest? 785 00:37:45,697 --> 00:37:46,663 Of course not. 786 00:37:46,665 --> 00:37:48,698 And who is trained by you? 787 00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:53,003 It will be Mr. Tam and Mr. Wong. 788 00:37:53,005 --> 00:37:54,904 That doesn't make sense. 789 00:37:54,906 --> 00:37:57,274 You have a loan initiator that will be created 790 00:37:57,276 --> 00:37:59,576 commission by getting this loan through, 791 00:37:59,578 --> 00:38:02,679 and then you have people like Mr Wong, 792 00:38:02,681 --> 00:38:05,849 who have no incentive at all financially to do this. 793 00:38:05,851 --> 00:38:07,517 So they do everything they can hide 794 00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:08,752 their crime from Mr. Wong 795 00:38:08,754 --> 00:38:11,354 because they know he is not involved 796 00:38:11,356 --> 00:38:12,922 and he will reject the loan, 797 00:38:12,924 --> 00:38:14,724 he did many times. 798 00:38:14,726 --> 00:38:16,126 He will reject people where his income is 799 00:38:16,128 --> 00:38:17,427 cannot be verified 800 00:38:17,429 --> 00:38:18,561 or where does it feel 801 00:38:18,563 --> 00:38:20,530 the income doesn't make sense. 802 00:38:20,532 --> 00:38:22,032 There is one refusal he does 803 00:38:22,034 --> 00:38:25,268 where there are fake documents he found, 804 00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:26,536 and refusal of loans 805 00:38:26,538 --> 00:38:29,039 the cost of the trigger commission. 806 00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:58,702 I think people who go to the bank 807 00:38:58,704 --> 00:39:01,438 and get a loan no fully understand maybe 808 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,541 that what they do lies, 809 00:39:04,543 --> 00:39:08,778 but I think it's finally unwanted loser here 810 00:39:08,780 --> 00:39:11,314 are borrowers in the community. 811 00:39:11,316 --> 00:39:15,552 We really contribute to revive the community. 812 00:39:15,554 --> 00:39:20,657 This is really confusing for him to say that. 813 00:39:20,659 --> 00:39:21,858 When the charges go down, 814 00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:25,128 Sung sees it as an existential threat 815 00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:27,130 to the bank and rightly so 816 00:39:27,132 --> 00:39:28,631 because there are so many institutions fail 817 00:39:28,633 --> 00:39:31,601 only... only from having the indictment. 818 00:39:31,603 --> 00:39:35,372 Thomas, voice-over: Already experienced a crisis in 2003 819 00:39:35,374 --> 00:39:37,907 which is almost closed down the bank. 820 00:39:37,909 --> 00:39:39,242 There is still no sign 821 00:39:39,244 --> 00:39:40,577 from former Chinatowns bank manager 822 00:39:40,579 --> 00:39:41,778 accused of embezzlement 823 00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:43,146 more than a million dollars. 824 00:39:43,148 --> 00:39:45,482 The FBI is looking for Carol Lin, 825 00:39:45,484 --> 00:39:46,950 that manages the channel canal path 826 00:39:46,952 --> 00:39:48,385 Abacus Federal Savings. 827 00:39:48,387 --> 00:39:51,121 Suspicion of fraud sent from a panic wave 828 00:39:51,123 --> 00:39:53,423 among bank customers. 829 00:39:53,425 --> 00:39:55,892 So in 2003, I happened to be doing 830 00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:57,527 a story in Chinatown. 831 00:39:57,529 --> 00:39:59,763 My photographer at that time said to me, 832 00:39:59,765 --> 00:40:02,198 something happened on that block. 833 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,134 Backwards, support it! Back to the top! 834 00:40:04,136 --> 00:40:06,870 Chaos in Chinatown as thousands of investors 835 00:40:06,872 --> 00:40:09,706 ran on Abacus Federal Savings Bank, 836 00:40:09,708 --> 00:40:11,608 demand their money after hearing 837 00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:14,110 that former bank manager is being investigated 838 00:40:14,112 --> 00:40:15,845 to embezzle One million dollars. 839 00:40:15,847 --> 00:40:18,314 When rumors spread in the Asian community, 840 00:40:18,316 --> 00:40:20,550 run for the dough. 841 00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:31,494 Take a walk. Go somewhere else. 842 00:40:31,496 --> 00:40:32,862 Do something else today. 843 00:40:32,864 --> 00:40:34,431 Police fight to control the crowd, 844 00:40:34,433 --> 00:40:36,399 one even bitten by an old woman 845 00:40:36,401 --> 00:40:37,834 demand money. 846 00:40:37,836 --> 00:40:40,837 Many struggle to avoid being destroyed in the crowd. 847 00:40:40,839 --> 00:40:42,338 In that short time, 848 00:40:42,340 --> 00:40:45,842 people pull something like $ 44 million, 849 00:40:45,844 --> 00:40:48,678 put us in a liquidity crisis. 850 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,881 Press reports related to that we haven't seen 851 00:40:51,883 --> 00:40:55,518 this type of run since the thirties, 852 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,320 since depression. 853 00:40:57,322 --> 00:40:59,556 Don't look now, but something funny happens 854 00:40:59,558 --> 00:41:00,990 there at the bank, George. 855 00:41:00,992 --> 00:41:02,058 Hmm? 856 00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:03,460 I never really saw it, 857 00:41:03,462 --> 00:41:05,562 but it has all characteristics to run. 858 00:41:08,799 --> 00:41:11,935 You have to understand something about Thomas Sung. 859 00:41:11,937 --> 00:41:16,172 For me, he's like Jimmy Stewart out of "it's a beautiful life." 860 00:41:16,174 --> 00:41:18,241 I'll be back for a while, Mary. 861 00:41:18,243 --> 00:41:22,111 He is a small town banker, but the city is Chinatown. 862 00:41:24,248 --> 00:41:26,149 I go to the police department, 863 00:41:26,151 --> 00:41:28,885 asking them to give me a loudspeaker. 864 00:41:28,887 --> 00:41:33,756 I go on the phone, and I say to them... 865 00:41:33,758 --> 00:41:35,558 "I'm here." 866 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,660 You... you are thinking this place is all wrong, 867 00:41:37,662 --> 00:41:39,662 as if I have money back safely. 868 00:41:39,664 --> 00:41:41,064 Well, your money is at Joe's house... 869 00:41:41,066 --> 00:41:42,565 it's right next to you... 870 00:41:42,567 --> 00:41:44,367 and at Kennedy's house and Mrs.'s house. Maitland 871 00:41:44,369 --> 00:41:45,902 and another hundred! 872 00:41:45,904 --> 00:41:50,273 And I really left and shook hands with them, 873 00:41:50,275 --> 00:41:54,511 "Feel my warm hands. I'm here. I'm a real person." 874 00:41:54,513 --> 00:41:57,714 After I do that, run down. 875 00:41:57,716 --> 00:41:59,782 Relatively calm in Chinatown, 876 00:41:59,784 --> 00:42:02,619 very contrast for crazy rush Tuesday 877 00:42:02,621 --> 00:42:04,587 on Abacus Federal Savings Bank... 878 00:42:04,589 --> 00:42:07,824 Bank CEO reassures investors. 879 00:42:07,826 --> 00:42:10,560 They know that everything is fine. 880 00:42:10,562 --> 00:42:14,364 People return. They enter, deposit money. 881 00:42:14,366 --> 00:42:15,865 They thank us. 882 00:42:15,867 --> 00:42:19,369 If I don't have that relationship with people, 883 00:42:19,371 --> 00:42:22,539 then I will be much more worried 884 00:42:22,541 --> 00:42:26,576 that D.A. accuse the bank. 885 00:42:26,578 --> 00:42:31,014 But if the verdict is guilty, there is a possibility 886 00:42:31,016 --> 00:42:34,517 that Abacus will not survive. 887 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:37,153 I have never supported it with a bank. 888 00:42:37,155 --> 00:42:38,588 I have to be honest. 889 00:42:38,590 --> 00:42:41,157 I told my husband. I said, "banking is not good." 890 00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:44,360 I feel this is a problematic business. 891 00:42:44,362 --> 00:42:46,362 There are too many banks. 892 00:42:46,364 --> 00:42:48,197 You know, not everything works. 893 00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:52,001 And not everyone will really appreciate what happened, 894 00:42:52,003 --> 00:42:54,103 You know, if something wrong with the bank. 895 00:42:54,105 --> 00:42:56,573 When you have fake documents, 896 00:42:56,575 --> 00:42:59,842 You increase the ability of Fannie Mae to ask you take back the loan. 897 00:42:59,844 --> 00:43:02,045 898 00:43:02,047 --> 00:43:05,081 I really feel my girls have to go to do something else 899 00:43:05,083 --> 00:43:06,516 they want to do. 900 00:43:06,518 --> 00:43:09,519 I don't want it to work at a bank, 901 00:43:09,521 --> 00:43:10,753 but they come in, you know, 902 00:43:10,755 --> 00:43:13,056 because they want to help their father. 903 00:43:13,058 --> 00:43:14,624 They are very loyal to Tom. 904 00:43:14,626 --> 00:43:16,192 You agree that income and assets 905 00:43:16,194 --> 00:43:19,629 is a material fact that must be accurately represented. 906 00:43:19,631 --> 00:43:23,032 Chanterelle, voice-over: So I've never, until now, found motivation really 907 00:43:23,034 --> 00:43:24,601 to work in a bank. 908 00:43:24,603 --> 00:43:26,369 And this year, when the trial begins, 909 00:43:26,371 --> 00:43:28,404 I just... I experienced own nightmare. 910 00:43:28,406 --> 00:43:29,772 I mean, Vera and I share rooms 911 00:43:29,774 --> 00:43:30,940 back to my parents' house in Connecticut, 912 00:43:30,942 --> 00:43:32,575 and we both wake one another. 913 00:43:32,577 --> 00:43:35,378 And I... and I realize, I, like, "I can't continue 914 00:43:35,380 --> 00:43:37,680 in my own career now again." 915 00:43:37,682 --> 00:43:39,182 This, like, I have to help my family now. 916 00:43:39,184 --> 00:43:40,883 - Because I think the law... - no, I say... 917 00:43:40,885 --> 00:43:42,885 documents represent material facts. 918 00:43:42,887 --> 00:43:45,855 I... I say if it's really material... listen to me. 919 00:43:45,857 --> 00:43:48,891 If it's really material, the loan will fail. 920 00:43:48,893 --> 00:43:50,860 Differentiation might not make... 921 00:43:50,862 --> 00:43:52,929 Chanterelle, voice-over: I understand sometimes it's very frustrating. 922 00:43:52,931 --> 00:43:55,031 This might be a factor being the youngest. 923 00:43:55,033 --> 00:43:57,967 But sometimes I just, like, whatever I say, 924 00:43:57,969 --> 00:43:59,335 it's just not heard. 925 00:43:59,337 --> 00:44:00,837 Papa, if that... you are not convincing. 926 00:44:00,839 --> 00:44:02,739 If it's the shape... if it's the shape 927 00:44:02,741 --> 00:44:04,207 you choose to use... I will tell you what is the tongue on the cheek. 928 00:44:04,209 --> 00:44:05,842 Papa, if that... he said, "there is no harm, there are no violations." 929 00:44:05,844 --> 00:44:07,443 If that's the form... I never said that. 930 00:44:07,445 --> 00:44:09,245 Hold. I have a question, daddy. He said that. 931 00:44:09,247 --> 00:44:10,680 I don't say that. If it's the form you choose to use... 932 00:44:10,682 --> 00:44:12,015 he uses the word. To represent... 933 00:44:12,017 --> 00:44:13,583 - if that's the form... - He uses that word. 934 00:44:13,585 --> 00:44:14,884 That's not... it's not true. 935 00:44:14,886 --> 00:44:16,753 I... I just told you... I didn't use that... 936 00:44:16,755 --> 00:44:18,755 there is danger. That is very difficult. 937 00:44:18,757 --> 00:44:20,223 Ok, there is nothing more I can say. 938 00:44:20,225 --> 00:44:21,424 Girls... 939 00:44:21,426 --> 00:44:24,060 This is my office. Sorry. 940 00:44:24,062 --> 00:44:27,864 As you can see, my table is now stacked very high, 941 00:44:27,866 --> 00:44:29,999 but I think that is always messy. 942 00:44:30,001 --> 00:44:31,401 That's just my personality. 943 00:44:31,403 --> 00:44:33,870 My father always said, "as a lawyer, 944 00:44:33,872 --> 00:44:36,873 You must be neat and organized." 945 00:44:36,875 --> 00:44:40,343 Maybe I am not suitable become a lawyer. 946 00:44:40,345 --> 00:44:43,112 Uh, is there something, Tracy, on your desk, 947 00:44:43,114 --> 00:44:47,884 There is an urgent matter that I need to get completed before the weekend? 948 00:44:47,886 --> 00:44:50,553 We have not experienced many closures 949 00:44:50,555 --> 00:44:52,989 because of the effect trial. 950 00:44:52,991 --> 00:44:54,857 I woke up at around 5:00 a.m., 951 00:44:54,859 --> 00:44:56,859 complete work very early in the morning, 952 00:44:56,861 --> 00:44:59,762 slamming all these e-mails and answering e-mails 953 00:44:59,764 --> 00:45:03,833 and then go to court then just returned to the office. 954 00:45:03,835 --> 00:45:05,868 I really tried to get it more work is done at lunch, 955 00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:07,904 then we will do it back to court. 956 00:45:12,576 --> 00:45:14,077 Have you ever told that person 957 00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:15,545 who you are talking to at Abacus Bank 958 00:45:15,547 --> 00:45:18,581 that you are a manager in Becky's nail spa? 959 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,754 I am not a manager. 960 00:45:24,756 --> 00:45:27,223 That person told me that my income was very low, 961 00:45:27,225 --> 00:45:29,392 be better I have to be a manager. 962 00:45:29,394 --> 00:45:31,561 Otherwise, I can't get a loan. 963 00:45:31,563 --> 00:45:33,596 Prosecution, repeatedly, 964 00:45:33,598 --> 00:45:36,733 trying to suggest it innocent borrower, 965 00:45:36,735 --> 00:45:40,603 that it's a loan officer that encourages borrowers 966 00:45:40,605 --> 00:45:43,239 falsify documents to fulfill their loan conditions. 967 00:45:43,241 --> 00:45:47,110 In this loan file, why is it said You're a manager? 968 00:45:47,112 --> 00:45:48,644 I don't know. 969 00:45:48,646 --> 00:45:50,680 Do you tell anyone You're a manager? 970 00:45:50,682 --> 00:45:52,448 No. 971 00:45:52,450 --> 00:45:54,684 What can we show with witness after witness, 972 00:45:54,686 --> 00:45:57,887 it's not just loan officer. 973 00:45:57,889 --> 00:46:01,057 Borrowers try to cheat banks 974 00:46:01,059 --> 00:46:03,392 to pay off a loan. 975 00:46:03,394 --> 00:46:05,828 Mr. Lin, already sign your employer 976 00:46:05,830 --> 00:46:07,764 verification work form 977 00:46:07,766 --> 00:46:09,265 for loan files, Is that correct? 978 00:46:09,267 --> 00:46:10,767 Yes. 979 00:46:10,769 --> 00:46:12,869 And he signed as a joint owner of from China Sun. 980 00:46:12,871 --> 00:46:16,005 Does anyone have that restaurant with Mr. Pen? 981 00:46:16,007 --> 00:46:17,607 I really don't know. 982 00:46:17,609 --> 00:46:21,110 You don't know if Shu Qin Lin is also a co-owner of 983 00:46:21,112 --> 00:46:22,612 from Chinese sun restaurants? 984 00:46:22,614 --> 00:46:24,881 I only met this people several times. 985 00:46:24,883 --> 00:46:28,851 I don't know whether this person is a restaurant owner or not. 986 00:46:28,853 --> 00:46:31,587 Shu qin Lin you meet several times, 987 00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:33,489 and you don't know is he the joint owner? 988 00:46:33,491 --> 00:46:36,225 They don't tell me. I do not ask. 989 00:46:36,227 --> 00:46:41,764 Ok, Shu Qin Lin, spelled S-h-u Q-i-n L-i-n. 990 00:46:41,766 --> 00:46:43,966 You don't know who that is? 991 00:46:43,968 --> 00:46:45,468 I know who it is. 992 00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:47,770 You know who it is. So who is that? 993 00:46:47,772 --> 00:46:50,473 You can say, he is like a sister. 994 00:46:50,475 --> 00:46:55,077 Is she like a sister, or is she your sister? 995 00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:57,079 He is my sister. 996 00:46:58,582 --> 00:47:00,683 There are a series of witnesses 997 00:47:00,685 --> 00:47:05,555 which is only a heinous liar, 998 00:47:05,557 --> 00:47:07,857 to the point where is our concern 999 00:47:07,859 --> 00:47:10,459 that jury will think that 1000 00:47:10,461 --> 00:47:13,196 all those people bank transactions with... 1001 00:47:13,198 --> 00:47:16,933 former employees and customers... only full of dirt. 1002 00:47:19,870 --> 00:47:23,573 So, the trial has taken place for the 9th week now, right? 1003 00:47:23,575 --> 00:47:25,508 Is this 9? Day 52 1004 00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:27,376 Have you calculated? Around day 52. 1005 00:47:27,378 --> 00:47:28,778 I have tracked from the number of days 1006 00:47:28,780 --> 00:47:31,147 since... since the jury... yes. 1007 00:47:31,149 --> 00:47:32,381 That happened... since 12 January. 1008 00:47:32,383 --> 00:47:33,850 I can't believe 1009 00:47:33,852 --> 00:47:36,786 how this can happen dragged for so long. 1010 00:47:36,788 --> 00:47:41,724 Week of trial and costs involved... Fees. 1011 00:47:41,726 --> 00:47:46,028 Millions of dollars are spent to defend themselves. 1012 00:47:46,030 --> 00:47:49,365 And watch after watching... of course they will know they are lying. 1013 00:47:49,367 --> 00:47:53,069 So you bring these people out, day after day, 1014 00:47:53,071 --> 00:47:54,804 for 9 weeks, 1015 00:47:54,806 --> 00:47:58,341 and what are the effects in the community? 1016 00:47:58,343 --> 00:48:00,576 People get the wrong impression, 1017 00:48:00,578 --> 00:48:03,713 the Chinese are not law-abiding. 1018 00:48:03,715 --> 00:48:05,381 That... it's too bad. 1019 00:48:05,383 --> 00:48:09,418 Well, hopefully we can win this case and make a statement. 1020 00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:12,755 Or even if you win the case... 1021 00:48:12,757 --> 00:48:14,357 Damage... 1022 00:48:14,359 --> 00:48:15,558 Well, for us... 1023 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,494 shame on the community. 1024 00:48:30,974 --> 00:48:33,876 Chinese immigrants come from culture 1025 00:48:33,878 --> 00:48:39,248 where lots of finances transactions are based on trust 1026 00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:43,152 and believe it is not borne by a piece of paper, 1027 00:48:43,154 --> 00:48:48,491 in that trust intimate understanding, You know, among community members 1028 00:48:48,493 --> 00:48:50,660 or among family members. 1029 00:48:50,662 --> 00:48:58,067 I don't think there are borrowers thinking that they really committed crime, 1030 00:48:58,069 --> 00:49:02,104 even if part of this loan documents are forged. 1031 00:49:05,275 --> 00:49:07,677 One specific individual has been approved 1032 00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:09,979 for a $ 800,000 mortgage loan, 1033 00:49:09,981 --> 00:49:14,450 but on their tax returns, they only generate $ 24,000 per year 1034 00:49:14,452 --> 00:49:17,086 and I think this is as a partner. 1035 00:49:17,088 --> 00:49:20,356 There are many breaths on the jury panel. 1036 00:49:20,358 --> 00:49:21,991 How can this happen? 1037 00:49:21,993 --> 00:49:24,627 I know I will have it hard time to enter the bank 1038 00:49:24,629 --> 00:49:29,565 and get approval, you know, even for a few hundred thousand dollars for a loan. 1039 00:49:31,602 --> 00:49:35,204 Tax avoidance, I think lurking in the background of this case. 1040 00:49:38,742 --> 00:49:41,510 Because they work mainly in the money economy, 1041 00:49:41,512 --> 00:49:47,883 many borrowers have the money they don't report to the IRS. 1042 00:49:47,885 --> 00:49:50,219 Only when they buy a house 1043 00:49:50,221 --> 00:49:54,590 is it necessary for them to prove how much money they have, 1044 00:49:54,592 --> 00:49:58,761 but then they are stuck in this position don't have a paper trail. 1045 00:49:58,763 --> 00:50:02,064 Maybe people in that community don't... don't pay, you know, 1046 00:50:02,066 --> 00:50:03,766 100% of their taxes. 1047 00:50:03,768 --> 00:50:07,503 These are all problems if they have problems with, you know, 1048 00:50:07,505 --> 00:50:11,741 with immigrant communities operating in cash, ok, 1049 00:50:11,743 --> 00:50:15,077 they have the means to do something about it. 1050 00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:17,246 Um, IRS too. 1051 00:50:17,248 --> 00:50:19,148 Abacus is not the FBI. 1052 00:50:19,150 --> 00:50:23,886 There is no bank regulation which requires banks to serve basically 1053 00:50:23,888 --> 00:50:27,757 as a police force against its own customers. 1054 00:50:27,759 --> 00:50:30,426 There will be chaos if your bank is basically an IRS. 1055 00:50:30,428 --> 00:50:32,628 No one wants to bank with any bank. 1056 00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:35,197 You can say that our responsibility 1057 00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:40,269 is giving credit to the community, not being a police officer. 1058 00:50:40,271 --> 00:50:43,873 And I remember Mr. Sung saying this to me, related to restaurants, you know. 1059 00:50:43,875 --> 00:50:48,577 He said, a man came to him modernized his restaurant. 1060 00:50:48,579 --> 00:50:51,747 And he said, "I don't even need to ask him... his income 1061 00:50:51,749 --> 00:50:54,884 "Because I eat at the restaurant, and I see how full it is. 1062 00:50:54,886 --> 00:50:57,887 " So, you know, when he entered and asked me for a loan, 1063 00:50:57,889 --> 00:51:00,089 I am ready to give him money ". this. 1064 00:51:03,593 --> 00:51:05,861 Prosecutors insist since the beginning of the trial written by brothers or friends. 1065 00:51:05,863 --> 00:51:09,198 There is knowledge throughout the loan department 1066 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,501 1067 00:51:14,371 --> 00:51:17,940 1068 00:51:17,942 --> 00:51:23,212 1069 00:51:23,214 --> 00:51:28,350 1070 00:51:28,352 --> 00:51:33,122 1071 00:51:33,124 --> 00:51:36,158 1072 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,362 1073 00:51:40,364 --> 00:51:43,432 1074 00:51:43,434 --> 00:51:45,334 And the source of the loan? 1075 00:51:45,336 --> 00:51:48,871 Money that comes from... Who knows where. 1076 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,408 In Chinese culture, 1077 00:51:52,410 --> 00:51:57,313 the limit between gift and loan is very opaque, 1078 00:51:57,315 --> 00:52:00,883 to what extent there isn't even really a difference 1079 00:52:00,885 --> 00:52:04,086 when it comes from you your parents or relatives. 1080 00:52:04,088 --> 00:52:06,455 This is an immigrant always done. 1081 00:52:06,457 --> 00:52:09,091 Jewish families do it. The Irish family does it. 1082 00:52:09,093 --> 00:52:11,393 Italian families do it. Chinese families do it. 1083 00:52:11,395 --> 00:52:14,964 If I accept, you know, $ 50,000 from my mother, 1084 00:52:14,966 --> 00:52:19,235 there is no paper document that says I have to return the amount. 1085 00:52:19,237 --> 00:52:23,072 But, you know, if I end up taking care of him in his old age, 1086 00:52:23,074 --> 00:52:24,840 that is a form of payment, 1087 00:52:24,842 --> 00:52:29,578 and I remember sitting in the courtroom Hearing how confused they were 1088 00:52:29,580 --> 00:52:31,680 when they answer this question, when, you know, 1089 00:52:31,682 --> 00:52:33,249 repeatedly they are squeezed. 1090 00:52:33,251 --> 00:52:36,752 You know, "is this a gift, or what is this loan? Can you explain?" 1091 00:52:36,754 --> 00:52:39,722 They say, "well, you know, if I can repay it, I'll do it. 1092 00:52:39,724 --> 00:52:42,992 But, you know, if I... if I can't, we are family." 1093 00:52:44,461 --> 00:52:47,029 So, the gift letter actually has to be 1094 00:52:47,031 --> 00:52:49,598 from siblings or partners. 1095 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:56,105 But comes to the surface that these loan officers are sometimes registered as gift donors. 1096 00:52:58,208 --> 00:53:00,075 Mr. Yu, above this 1097 00:53:00,077 --> 00:53:01,610 gift certificate certification, 1098 00:53:01,612 --> 00:53:05,080 it reads that you made a $ 9,000 prize 1099 00:53:05,082 --> 00:53:07,583 for your cousin Qi Chen Chen. 1100 00:53:07,585 --> 00:53:10,252 Is Qi Zen Chen your cousin? 1101 00:53:10,254 --> 00:53:11,587 No. 1102 00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:15,691 Do you make a prize of $ 9,000 for Qi Zen Chen? 1103 00:53:15,693 --> 00:53:18,994 He gave me $ 9,000 cash, and we went down 1104 00:53:18,996 --> 00:53:21,163 and get a certificate bank check in his name. 1105 00:53:21,165 --> 00:53:26,335 Tell us how that can happen Zen Zen Qi gives you $ 9,000 1106 00:53:26,337 --> 00:53:27,937 and then you give him a check. 1107 00:53:27,939 --> 00:53:31,140 This particular customer does not have a credit score. 1108 00:53:31,142 --> 00:53:35,578 Can you tell us from this document who approved this loan? 1109 00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:37,680 That will be Miss Vera Sung. 1110 00:53:39,549 --> 00:53:43,052 If Ken Yu enters the gift letter, "Ken Yu," 1111 00:53:43,054 --> 00:53:45,020 it will interfere. 1112 00:53:45,022 --> 00:53:46,855 That's not what happened. 1113 00:53:46,857 --> 00:53:49,959 Ken's Chinese name is unknown, but people just call him Ken. 1114 00:53:49,961 --> 00:53:52,261 Ken Yu clearly knows that 1115 00:53:52,263 --> 00:53:55,864 and deliberately put the Chinese name on the check for that reason, 1116 00:53:55,866 --> 00:54:00,869 obscures that it is who has given a "gift" to the borrower. 1117 00:54:00,871 --> 00:54:02,938 Mr. Yu, what is that? commitment letters? 1118 00:54:02,940 --> 00:54:05,741 That the bank agrees to give loans to this borrower 1119 00:54:05,743 --> 00:54:07,576 if all conditions are met. 1120 00:54:07,578 --> 00:54:10,646 Right. And gift letters, for example, 1121 00:54:10,648 --> 00:54:13,282 must be in file before you close, 1122 00:54:13,284 --> 00:54:16,585 but not before the commitment letter comes out, Isn't that right? 1123 00:54:16,587 --> 00:54:18,087 You are right, sir. 1124 00:54:18,089 --> 00:54:21,490 So verification of work You help fake, 1125 00:54:21,492 --> 00:54:23,425 gift letters You help fake, 1126 00:54:23,427 --> 00:54:28,564 done after Vera Sung approved this loan on behalf of the board of directors, 1127 00:54:28,566 --> 00:54:30,065 Isn't that right? 1128 00:54:30,067 --> 00:54:34,503 In this case, yes. 1129 00:54:34,505 --> 00:54:38,807 It tries for us because is a legacy of our father. 1130 00:54:38,809 --> 00:54:41,577 Exactly. And he gave us that inheritance. 1131 00:54:41,579 --> 00:54:44,013 And Vera is always... when he wants to be very meaningful to me, 1132 00:54:44,015 --> 00:54:46,949 he will show, "it happened under your supervision, right?" 1133 00:54:46,951 --> 00:54:49,551 So he can be very evil to me. 1134 00:54:49,553 --> 00:54:52,054 He is like, "you! You know, that happens under you..." 1135 00:54:52,056 --> 00:54:53,656 I'm like a cruel brother. 1136 00:54:53,658 --> 00:54:55,557 So, you know, then I can sit there and be like, 1137 00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:58,060 "wow, you know, I really failed." 1138 00:55:49,145 --> 00:55:51,780 So much time passed. 1139 00:55:51,782 --> 00:55:54,950 Our father is 75 years old, and now he is 80 years old. 1140 00:55:54,952 --> 00:55:58,053 People don't understand... there are some long-term effects 1141 00:55:58,055 --> 00:56:02,825 from through like that traumatic experience. 1142 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,655 "This bank will definitely continue to find justification 1143 00:56:33,657 --> 00:56:36,825 " not only for the best bank liberation itself, 1144 00:56:36,827 --> 00:56:39,395 "but for the greater Chinese immigrant community 1145 00:56:39,397 --> 00:56:41,630 " It has been presented for 31 years. 1146 00:56:41,632 --> 00:56:43,866 "Raw appearance power by D.A. 1147 00:56:43,868 --> 00:56:46,869 " Will always remind us and other minority communities 1148 00:56:46,871 --> 00:56:49,872 that our human rights can easily be trampled. " 1149 00:56:49,874 --> 00:56:52,341 It's a bit counter intuitive the way you write it. 1150 00:56:52,343 --> 00:56:55,010 You want to tell people You can't let something bad happen... 1151 00:56:55,012 --> 00:56:57,212 exactly. That's what I told him... 1152 00:56:57,214 --> 00:56:59,782 and that's how you say, "Human rights can be easily trampled," 1153 00:56:59,784 --> 00:57:02,050 and I don't read them... I don't want people to think 1154 00:57:02,052 --> 00:57:04,553 You say that it can. 1155 00:57:04,555 --> 00:57:06,555 With in other words, it should be so Normative sentences are not... 1156 00:57:06,557 --> 00:57:09,091 no no No "Don't be trampled." 1157 00:57:09,093 --> 00:57:12,294 The cost has been great, but very different per each family member 1158 00:57:12,296 --> 00:57:14,930 because we all handle stress in a very different way. 1159 00:57:14,932 --> 00:57:17,966 Look, Chanterelle, this is all here, but he changed my words again, 1160 00:57:17,968 --> 00:57:21,870 and then he doesn't do it right here. 1161 00:57:21,872 --> 00:57:25,774 A little dry. 1162 00:57:27,578 --> 00:57:29,578 Because it's only chicken. 1163 00:57:29,580 --> 00:57:32,080 Not Mayo, that's why, right? 1164 00:57:32,082 --> 00:57:33,615 Mm-hmm. 1165 00:57:33,617 --> 00:57:35,083 But there is cheese. Mm-hmm. 1166 00:57:35,085 --> 00:57:37,019 My father, in particular, is able to handle stress in an extraordinary way. 1167 00:57:37,021 --> 00:57:41,557 If you... if you don't like your sandwich... are you okay? 1168 00:57:41,559 --> 00:57:44,460 Good. But you said it was dry. 1169 00:57:44,462 --> 00:57:47,229 Mm-hmm. 1170 00:57:47,231 --> 00:57:48,363 As you get older, 1171 00:57:49,733 --> 00:57:51,366 I think he feels that he does what he wants to do. 1172 00:57:51,368 --> 00:57:55,704 Um, he's a little more philosophical, 1173 00:57:55,706 --> 00:57:58,040 1174 00:57:58,042 --> 00:58:01,310 and find out that he's done the best he can do 1175 00:58:01,312 --> 00:58:03,445 good for him. 1176 00:58:03,447 --> 00:58:04,780 If it's too much chicken, 1177 00:58:04,782 --> 00:58:06,315 You don't have to eat everything. No I... 1178 00:58:06,317 --> 00:58:07,883 he said... he said that... did it come with avocado? 1179 00:58:07,885 --> 00:58:09,585 He complains. He said it was dry. 1180 00:58:09,587 --> 00:58:10,953 Do they put... oh, they don't put mayonnaise. 1181 00:58:10,955 --> 00:58:12,321 They don't enter... yes, but they put avocados, 1182 00:58:12,323 --> 00:58:13,622 Do they place avocados? 1183 00:58:13,624 --> 00:58:14,756 They put avocados, but he said it was dry. 1184 00:58:14,758 --> 00:58:16,058 I ask him if you want avocado. 1185 00:58:16,060 --> 00:58:17,326 Now go eat. 1186 00:58:17,328 --> 00:58:19,862 He said, "It's dry, but I'm easy." 1187 00:58:19,864 --> 00:58:24,733 Like this. He is very calm, and I am very... 1188 00:58:24,735 --> 00:58:28,704 I like to jump nuts. I am always running around, you know. 1189 00:58:28,706 --> 00:58:32,274 Like that I am. And that drives me crazy. 1190 00:58:32,276 --> 00:58:36,211 My mother, I think, might feel the strongest things. 1191 00:58:36,213 --> 00:58:41,917 He's a very emotional person, and I think defining himself, 1192 00:58:41,919 --> 00:58:46,755 for big titles, by perception of others, 1193 00:58:46,757 --> 00:58:50,559 so... it hurts him. 1194 00:58:50,561 --> 00:58:52,661 I feel lost face. 1195 00:58:52,663 --> 00:58:54,763 You know, Chinese people always want to save their faces. 1196 00:58:54,765 --> 00:58:58,166 I am even embarrassed to see my friends because no one knows... 1197 00:58:58,168 --> 00:59:00,602 I really don't know too much about banking, 1198 00:59:00,604 --> 00:59:03,171 and how I'll do it explain everything. 1199 00:59:03,173 --> 00:59:06,575 All I can say is, we don't do it. 1200 00:59:06,577 --> 00:59:09,945 Yesterday was terrible, very torturous, you know. 1201 00:59:09,947 --> 00:59:15,384 I can't stand with people thinking of my children as bad as that, you know. 1202 00:59:15,386 --> 00:59:20,489 The prosecutor said that Jill was lying, so it really bothered me. 1203 00:59:20,491 --> 00:59:22,124 I feel like screaming. 1204 00:59:22,126 --> 00:59:24,760 Of course, Vera always tells me, "don't talk, don't move," 1205 00:59:24,762 --> 00:59:28,297 so I have to sit there with just... press myself, you know. 1206 00:59:28,299 --> 00:59:31,466 That's why I couldn't even have lunch yesterday. I have stomach ache. 1207 00:59:35,805 --> 00:59:39,741 Ms Rome, is a federal national mortgage association, 1208 00:59:39,743 --> 00:59:43,879 or known as Fannie Mae, in a business to make money? 1209 00:59:43,881 --> 00:59:47,182 Fannie Mae is in this business providing home ownership 1210 00:59:47,184 --> 00:59:51,553 and, as a result, Fannie Mae does make money, huh. 1211 00:59:51,555 --> 00:59:55,390 All of these cases in the end come to Fannie Mae. 1212 00:59:55,392 --> 00:59:58,260 Fannie Mae was accused of being a victim in this case. 1213 00:59:58,262 --> 01:00:00,395 Reasons for prosecution 1214 01:00:00,397 --> 01:00:02,831 is 30 loans which are in charge 1215 01:00:02,833 --> 01:00:05,934 what we sell to Fannie Mae is not good, 1216 01:00:05,936 --> 01:00:10,973 because the documentation itself is not what it should be. 1217 01:00:10,975 --> 01:00:12,941 The bank can do it whatever it wants. 1218 01:00:12,943 --> 01:00:15,877 The bank can save the loan, it can serve the loan 1219 01:00:15,879 --> 01:00:18,213 and don't care about documentation. 1220 01:00:18,215 --> 01:00:22,985 That is the choice of the bank... save or sell. 1221 01:00:22,987 --> 01:00:24,152 He chooses to sell it. 1222 01:00:24,154 --> 01:00:26,021 In selling loans to Fannie Mae, 1223 01:00:26,023 --> 01:00:29,358 they only miss that risk to buyers who don't know. 1224 01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,328 Ms Rome, Fannie Mae doesn't want to lose money, right? 1225 01:00:33,330 --> 01:00:38,567 Absolutely not. And that doesn't want our lenders also lose money. 1226 01:00:38,569 --> 01:00:42,237 And you are familiar with the default level Abacus loans 1227 01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:44,072 during the indictment period, right? 1228 01:00:44,074 --> 01:00:45,741 Yes, right. 1229 01:00:45,743 --> 01:00:49,544 During a period of 5 years from alleged fraud, 1230 01:00:49,546 --> 01:00:53,382 Abacus sold a little 3,000 mortgage for Fannie Mae. 1231 01:00:53,384 --> 01:01:01,056 The default number of 3,000 people is 9 people. 1232 01:01:01,058 --> 01:01:02,624 9! 1233 01:01:02,626 --> 01:01:06,161 Are you saying that is a low default level? 1234 01:01:06,163 --> 01:01:08,363 Default level is low. 1235 01:01:08,365 --> 01:01:10,999 Do you say that is low microscopically? 1236 01:01:11,001 --> 01:01:13,068 Objection to characterization! 1237 01:01:13,070 --> 01:01:15,771 Supported for "microscopic." 1238 01:01:15,773 --> 01:01:17,539 Abacus Federal Savings Bank 1239 01:01:17,541 --> 01:01:20,175 has one of the lowest level nation, 1240 01:01:20,177 --> 01:01:22,244 not the highest, one of the lowest. 1241 01:01:22,246 --> 01:01:24,880 But that is not what we see. 1242 01:01:24,882 --> 01:01:29,117 We are looking at, you know, is there falsified information, 1243 01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:30,986 and sold, and that. 1244 01:01:30,988 --> 01:01:34,489 These loans are never lost money. They appear. 1245 01:01:34,491 --> 01:01:37,325 It is financially clear who benefits? is Fannie Mae from the transaction. 1246 01:01:37,327 --> 01:01:39,361 People get their loans. They get their home. 1247 01:01:39,363 --> 01:01:41,163 That... it's almost ridiculous! That is almost totally ridiculous! 1248 01:01:41,165 --> 01:01:45,167 Larceny is about stealing. 1249 01:01:45,169 --> 01:01:47,803 To bring theft charges against banks 1250 01:01:47,805 --> 01:01:50,172 when should victims actually generate hundreds of millions of dollars, 1251 01:01:50,174 --> 01:01:55,077 that is just... it's outrageous. 1252 01:01:55,079 --> 01:01:56,912 My view is, if I take $ 5.00 from your wallet, 1253 01:01:56,914 --> 01:02:01,550 uh, I've taken your money. 1254 01:02:01,552 --> 01:02:03,385 If I... In the end, if I give it back to you, 1255 01:02:03,387 --> 01:02:07,456 or if not, in the end, 1256 01:02:07,458 --> 01:02:09,658 actually has a loss because the money returns to you, 1257 01:02:09,660 --> 01:02:12,828 1258 01:02:12,830 --> 01:02:15,430 it's still, in our view, a theft. 1259 01:02:15,432 --> 01:02:17,699 If I sell Fannie Mae loans for $ 5.00, 1260 01:02:17,701 --> 01:02:20,035 not only do they get $ 5.00 they return on time, 1261 01:02:20,037 --> 01:02:21,837 like what they think they will get it, 1262 01:02:21,839 --> 01:02:25,173 they also get $ 3.00 to $ 4.00, $ 5.00 return interest, 1263 01:02:25,175 --> 01:02:29,077 that makes it $ 10, so tell me how it's considered theft. 1264 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,554 There are two types mortgage fraud 1265 01:02:39,556 --> 01:02:41,423 which generally happens. 1266 01:02:41,425 --> 01:02:44,559 We call it fraud-for-profit and fraud for home. 1267 01:02:44,561 --> 01:02:47,529 There are certain numbers of people who commit crimes mortgage fraud because they lie on their application 1268 01:02:47,531 --> 01:02:49,865 to get a loan for the house they want to live in. 1269 01:02:49,867 --> 01:02:52,734 Is it technically a crime? Correct. 1270 01:02:52,736 --> 01:02:55,504 1271 01:02:55,506 --> 01:03:01,076 Is that crime worth of resources from state or federal government? Absolutely not. 1272 01:03:01,078 --> 01:03:03,712 This has a low default level in this type of loan. 1273 01:03:03,714 --> 01:03:06,014 The losses are relatively small. 1274 01:03:06,016 --> 01:03:09,451 Other types of fraud, fraud where there really is no 1275 01:03:09,453 --> 01:03:11,453 any intention to pay the mortgage, 1276 01:03:11,455 --> 01:03:13,889 it's just about making a profit as fast as possible, 1277 01:03:13,891 --> 01:03:17,893 or fraud that enters this complex securities built, 1278 01:03:17,895 --> 01:03:20,562 when that knowledge exists there is little chance of it 1279 01:03:20,564 --> 01:03:22,564 this loan will be repaid, 1280 01:03:22,566 --> 01:03:24,566 this is where resources must go. 1281 01:03:24,568 --> 01:03:26,134 And throw you raise your hand in the air 1282 01:03:26,136 --> 01:03:29,271 and suggest that, well, gee, whenever crime is committed, 1283 01:03:29,273 --> 01:03:31,773 we put all our resources in to prove it, that's not true. 1284 01:03:31,775 --> 01:03:34,109 I mean, today, walk to my office, 1285 01:03:34,111 --> 01:03:36,611 red light. And I admit, 1286 01:03:36,613 --> 01:03:38,880 I walk across the road against red lights. 1287 01:03:38,882 --> 01:03:42,984 I am really guilty of doing jaywalking, and I can get a ticket. 1288 01:03:42,986 --> 01:03:44,352 Do I get it? No. 1289 01:03:44,354 --> 01:03:46,855 That must be complete waste of NYPD resources 1290 01:03:46,857 --> 01:03:49,324 to issue me tickets and divert them from actual crime 1291 01:03:49,326 --> 01:03:50,826 that happened in the city, 1292 01:03:50,828 --> 01:03:53,061 and that's where everything returns to this... 1293 01:03:53,063 --> 01:03:54,863 this... this wisdom idea. 1294 01:03:54,865 --> 01:03:59,067 And regulators and prosecutors must act with the necessary wisdom 1295 01:03:59,069 --> 01:04:01,636 when to file a claim and when not to bring charges. 1296 01:04:01,638 --> 01:04:05,774 Neil of course is entitled to his opinion. 1297 01:04:05,776 --> 01:04:08,443 Uh, I... 1298 01:04:08,445 --> 01:04:10,512 Disagree with characterization 1299 01:04:10,514 --> 01:04:13,582 that this is jaywalking 1300 01:04:13,584 --> 01:04:16,718 because I think it's systemic and in the long run, 1301 01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,455 and finally the risk passed without notice to... 1302 01:04:20,457 --> 01:04:22,290 You know, to third parties. 1303 01:04:22,292 --> 01:04:26,862 Maybe there should be a penalty for setting for this type of behavior, 1304 01:04:26,864 --> 01:04:30,832 without question, but who's hurt? Who loses money? 1305 01:04:30,834 --> 01:04:33,568 Who is... the taxpayers who are hurt? 1306 01:04:33,570 --> 01:04:35,737 Who are the investors who are injured? 1307 01:04:35,739 --> 01:04:38,106 Who are the individuals who have lost their homes? 1308 01:04:38,108 --> 01:04:41,176 Who are the people who cheated into mortgages they cannot afford 1309 01:04:41,178 --> 01:04:42,477 and thrown out on the road? 1310 01:04:42,479 --> 01:04:44,212 Who loses their life savings? 1311 01:04:44,214 --> 01:04:45,881 What financial system collapsed? 1312 01:04:45,883 --> 01:04:49,718 What is GDP affected because of the actions taken by Abacus? 1313 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,820 And as far as I know, nothing. 1314 01:04:51,822 --> 01:04:57,425 Frankly, if every bank has... has been covered and Abacus 1315 01:04:57,427 --> 01:05:00,862 during the indictment period, we will not experience a financial crisis. 1316 01:05:02,865 --> 01:05:07,602 We really need to talk about one problem now, 1317 01:05:07,604 --> 01:05:10,906 that is whether or not we have to testify Jill. 1318 01:05:10,908 --> 01:05:13,975 Very difficult, as we continue to switch back and forth. 1319 01:05:13,977 --> 01:05:17,879 Since yesterday, Rusty believed that he had to testify. 1320 01:05:17,881 --> 01:05:20,048 Kevin, take a different position. 1321 01:05:20,050 --> 01:05:22,117 He is a little more hesitant. Right. 1322 01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:24,552 And daddy feels so far that Jill must testify. 1323 01:05:24,554 --> 01:05:26,888 Actually, rusting and daddy have the same opinion. 1324 01:05:30,059 --> 01:05:31,359 And I- 1325 01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,569 right. And he thinks so a jury might not feel much towards a corporate institution, 1326 01:05:41,571 --> 01:05:44,105 whereas if you put a personal face to it, like Jill, 1327 01:05:44,107 --> 01:05:47,575 1328 01:05:47,577 --> 01:05:51,880 they will start to see and feel and realize that 1329 01:05:51,882 --> 01:05:54,883 the consequences of belief are... serious. 1330 01:05:54,885 --> 01:06:00,055 However, others believe that if they don't make their case 1331 01:06:00,057 --> 01:06:02,757 then you stop there. 1332 01:06:02,759 --> 01:06:07,062 Also, there is nothing really said about Jill... right. 1333 01:06:07,064 --> 01:06:08,863 To imply it in everything. 1334 01:06:08,865 --> 01:06:12,901 Right. I feel that I haven't done it hear the reason for using Jill. 1335 01:06:12,903 --> 01:06:14,803 In fact, if you don't use him, 1336 01:06:14,805 --> 01:06:17,572 not because you tried hiding anything, but because 1337 01:06:17,574 --> 01:06:19,007 nothing... no... nothing needs to be maintained. 1338 01:06:19,009 --> 01:06:20,508 Nothing has to be maintained. 1339 01:06:20,510 --> 01:06:23,578 Excuse me! Excuse me! Am I in voice or what? 1340 01:06:23,580 --> 01:06:25,780 Yes. Yes. The mother is talking. 1341 01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:30,952 That's a very good question. He isn't here now. 1342 01:06:30,954 --> 01:06:33,521 He doesn't even want to have it this conversation yesterday. 1343 01:06:33,523 --> 01:06:37,859 The feeling we get from him is that if he needs to testify he will, 1344 01:06:37,861 --> 01:06:41,763 but he will feel bad if somehow he doesn't testify well 1345 01:06:41,765 --> 01:06:47,836 and that will produce in negative results, um. 1346 01:06:47,838 --> 01:06:50,171 Yes, he will... he will blame himself. 1347 01:06:50,173 --> 01:06:54,709 I just want... daddy, I know you feel strong about Jill testifying, 1348 01:06:54,711 --> 01:06:57,779 and I feel that the same way, but one... 1349 01:06:59,081 --> 01:07:02,784 are you no longer? Good. 1350 01:07:02,786 --> 01:07:05,520 Good. Have changed your mind. 1351 01:07:05,522 --> 01:07:07,555 Yes, change your mind. Yes. 1352 01:07:07,557 --> 01:07:12,027 So how do we feel if Jill doesn't take a stand 1353 01:07:12,029 --> 01:07:15,897 and we don't win this case? 1354 01:07:15,899 --> 01:07:17,565 Will we regret it? 1355 01:07:17,567 --> 01:07:19,534 I can answer it, I can answer it. 1356 01:07:19,536 --> 01:07:26,574 I have given this problem careful and thorough analysis. 1357 01:07:26,576 --> 01:07:30,578 If the results aren't for me, 1358 01:07:30,580 --> 01:07:35,083 I don't and shouldn't feel sorry. 1359 01:07:43,859 --> 01:07:46,728 They say, that's their theory, 1360 01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:50,131 that such documents are very clearly wrong, 1361 01:07:50,133 --> 01:07:54,636 Mr. Tam and Mr. Wong and other banks underwriters should arrest that, 1362 01:07:54,638 --> 01:08:00,608 and the fact that they did not catch it suggested that they be involved in fraud. 1363 01:08:00,610 --> 01:08:03,445 That's what they say to you, women and men. 1364 01:08:03,447 --> 01:08:06,548 But here's the problem. Fannie Mae, 1365 01:08:06,550 --> 01:08:11,319 the best underwriter in the country, everything they do, all day, every day, 1366 01:08:11,321 --> 01:08:14,122 is seeing loan files from throughout the country. 1367 01:08:14,124 --> 01:08:19,360 They are the gold standard, and they don't see anything wrong with these documents. 1368 01:08:19,362 --> 01:08:24,065 So, if the best is not wrong, how can it be criminal? 1369 01:08:24,067 --> 01:08:26,568 This is not. 1370 01:08:26,570 --> 01:08:28,069 And here, I'll do it show it again, 1371 01:08:28,071 --> 01:08:30,405 Email Fannie Mae from 2012, 1372 01:08:30,407 --> 01:08:31,840 because it gives light 1373 01:08:31,842 --> 01:08:33,875 about this problem. 1374 01:08:33,877 --> 01:08:36,878 "We recognize that you have it very unique needs 1375 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:40,148 " which are closely related to the borrower you serve. 1376 01:08:40,150 --> 01:08:43,084 "When doing something adjusted in this environment 1377 01:08:43,086 --> 01:08:44,786 " is very difficult, 1378 01:08:44,788 --> 01:08:47,122 "The team committed to do whatever we can 1379 01:08:47,124 --> 01:08:53,061 to develop solutions that are appropriate unique needs of your culture." 1380 01:08:54,330 --> 01:08:57,265 Women and men, Fannie Mae himself 1381 01:08:57,267 --> 01:09:00,568 admit here this is Chinatown. 1382 01:09:00,570 --> 01:09:03,872 That's a thousand small business, first generation, 1383 01:09:03,874 --> 01:09:08,877 special needs... and banks serve the community. 1384 01:09:08,879 --> 01:09:11,880 Does it pose a challenge to the bank? Correct. 1385 01:09:11,882 --> 01:09:15,917 It will be much easier to handle a group of investment bankers 1386 01:09:15,919 --> 01:09:18,653 who have w2s and tax returns all the time. 1387 01:09:18,655 --> 01:09:22,423 It will be easier, but the bank has chosen to serve 1388 01:09:22,425 --> 01:09:25,360 this community, challenge and all. 1389 01:09:30,299 --> 01:09:34,068 Abacus's own narrative that they are trying to give you 1390 01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:37,238 is what they tried helping hard workers, 1391 01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:42,243 first generation immigrants live American dreams as community services. 1392 01:09:42,245 --> 01:09:46,714 That's awesome, and that's great, and Abacus Federal Savings Bank 1393 01:09:46,716 --> 01:09:51,219 free to do that and then hold risk on their own book. 1394 01:09:51,221 --> 01:09:57,358 What they are not free to do is risk with other people's money and not tell them. 1395 01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:04,098 They can't take that risk and pass it on to others without telling the truth. 1396 01:10:21,550 --> 01:10:23,851 Thank you. 5... 6 bowls. 6 bowls. 1397 01:10:23,853 --> 01:10:26,554 And then he tried to say that this loan 1398 01:10:26,556 --> 01:10:29,958 It seems representative of of our entire loan portfolio, 1399 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:31,392 it's not true. 1400 01:10:31,394 --> 01:10:34,195 He really rolled his eyes... in your mission 1401 01:10:34,197 --> 01:10:36,864 and build this bank for this community, to serve the community 1402 01:10:36,866 --> 01:10:39,067 and help these people look for American dreams. 1403 01:10:39,069 --> 01:10:40,501 He just throws it away. 1404 01:10:40,503 --> 01:10:42,036 Isn't that lucky, at my age now, 1405 01:10:42,038 --> 01:10:44,872 I can barely hear everything that is said in court? 1406 01:10:44,874 --> 01:10:46,174 - That's because you... - it's a blessing. 1407 01:10:46,176 --> 01:10:47,809 Selective hearing. 1408 01:10:47,811 --> 01:10:49,177 Do you observe in the beginning 1409 01:10:49,179 --> 01:10:51,479 that is respectable Cy Vance himself 1410 01:10:51,481 --> 01:10:53,081 attend the beginning? 1411 01:10:53,083 --> 01:10:54,549 I don't see it. 1412 01:10:54,551 --> 01:10:57,051 I have seen it on TV, 1413 01:10:57,053 --> 01:10:59,420 and he is a lot smaller personally. 1414 01:10:59,422 --> 01:11:00,922 Ha ha! Yes! 1415 01:11:00,924 --> 01:11:03,758 As a family we are always very close, 1416 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:08,663 but we've been united even more during this very good time. 1417 01:11:08,665 --> 01:11:10,064 Why are you laughing at me? 1418 01:11:10,066 --> 01:11:11,299 He cries, 1419 01:11:11,301 --> 01:11:13,067 and now he laughs out loud. 1420 01:11:13,069 --> 01:11:15,303 Judge Sounds like "godfather." 1421 01:11:15,305 --> 01:11:18,873 No, he said he had to save his voice for the cost of the jury 1422 01:11:18,875 --> 01:11:20,708 Because it will happen within a few hours. 1423 01:11:20,710 --> 01:11:24,078 Are you not eating? What kind of rice? Are you on a diet? 1424 01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,780 No, not me. 1425 01:11:28,250 --> 01:11:34,289 Each defendant is accused of 20 major theft charges at the second level, 1426 01:11:34,291 --> 01:11:37,058 one big theft count in the first level, 1427 01:11:37,060 --> 01:11:40,561 48 allegations of falsifying business records in the first level, 1428 01:11:40,563 --> 01:11:43,965 9 number of housing mortgages fraud in the second level, 1429 01:11:43,967 --> 01:11:47,635 1 count of housing mortgages fraud in the first level, 1430 01:11:47,637 --> 01:11:51,973 and one conspiracy charge in the fourth level. 1431 01:11:51,975 --> 01:11:54,175 Jury, your responsibility in this case 1432 01:11:54,177 --> 01:11:56,577 very important; 1433 01:11:56,579 --> 01:11:59,047 However, it's limited to for this case. 1434 01:11:59,049 --> 01:12:01,949 You have not been asked for some general assessments 1435 01:12:01,951 --> 01:12:05,853 corporate governance in America or whether the bank is good or not. 1436 01:12:05,855 --> 01:12:08,356 You are not here to send messages to anyone. 1437 01:12:08,358 --> 01:12:12,560 You are here to determine whether people have been proven, without a doubt, 1438 01:12:12,562 --> 01:12:14,262 that the defendant is here tried 1439 01:12:14,264 --> 01:12:19,067 guilty of one or more crimes charged in this case. 1440 01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:49,864 If they go to defend us all, 1441 01:12:49,866 --> 01:12:52,567 We hope that happens quickly, Do you know what I mean? 1442 01:12:52,569 --> 01:12:54,502 And like, "oh, we heard this proof. It's not worth it." 1443 01:12:54,504 --> 01:12:56,070 Just confirm everyone. 1444 01:13:14,857 --> 01:13:18,559 This is really when shooting nerves, 1445 01:13:18,561 --> 01:13:22,497 do not know what jury will decide 1446 01:13:22,499 --> 01:13:26,367 and wonder how they haven't returned. 1447 01:13:50,359 --> 01:13:56,364 At this point, now, I think that really bothered me. 1448 01:13:56,366 --> 01:14:03,070 This is like, why can't they see it what seems so clear in the trial? 1449 01:14:08,977 --> 01:14:12,246 Hate waiting in court. It's boring and annoying. 1450 01:14:12,248 --> 01:14:16,784 I prefer to do work, but our lawyers want us to be here in court. 1451 01:14:16,786 --> 01:14:19,287 If the jury has a question, they want the jury to see it 1452 01:14:19,289 --> 01:14:22,356 we are still here and we can help select the document. 1453 01:14:22,358 --> 01:14:26,360 So, I have to bring a lot of working-work picnic baskets. 1454 01:14:28,797 --> 01:14:31,566 Day by day, jury does not return. 1455 01:14:31,568 --> 01:14:35,036 And, actually, the jury asks for various documents - 1456 01:14:35,038 --> 01:14:40,775 some, you know, are not profitable for prosecution, some are not profitable for defense. 1457 01:14:40,777 --> 01:14:43,044 First note back, and they say 1458 01:14:43,046 --> 01:14:46,581 they want a loan list that D.A. is claiming it's bad. 1459 01:14:46,583 --> 01:14:50,384 And then they want all loan files for that loan. 1460 01:14:50,386 --> 01:14:53,221 And then they want it all rejection files. 1461 01:14:53,223 --> 01:14:55,990 It arrived at the point when we really tried to analyze 1462 01:14:55,992 --> 01:14:58,025 handwritten on note. 1463 01:14:58,027 --> 01:15:00,661 We all know we don't do anything. That... that... that's... 1464 01:15:00,663 --> 01:15:06,067 I mean, it's impossible we were found guilty of all charges. 1465 01:15:06,069 --> 01:15:07,568 That is impossible. 1466 01:15:07,570 --> 01:15:10,872 We are driving ourselves angry trying to speculate, 1467 01:15:10,874 --> 01:15:13,708 "oh, this person must think about this," 1468 01:15:13,710 --> 01:15:16,911 and maybe they are thinking just the opposite. 1469 01:15:16,913 --> 01:15:21,582 There are 3 different opportunities where we are hanged judges. 1470 01:15:21,584 --> 01:15:24,785 Everyone feels very strong in their view of it 1471 01:15:24,787 --> 01:15:28,789 and good, substantial is enough evidence why. 1472 01:15:28,791 --> 01:15:30,992 Existing facts have made a mistake at the bank, 1473 01:15:30,994 --> 01:15:32,527 not really in dispute. 1474 01:15:32,529 --> 01:15:33,828 The real essence of this case 1475 01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:36,464 can you link it What has happened 1476 01:15:36,466 --> 01:15:39,967 for Mr. Wong, Mr. Tam, and Jill Sung. 1477 01:15:39,969 --> 01:15:44,405 Where we have the hardest time, is a forged business record 1478 01:15:44,407 --> 01:15:46,140 and therefore there are too many hands 1479 01:15:46,142 --> 01:15:50,578 touched in all bank for credit approval process 1480 01:15:50,580 --> 01:15:52,380 for things that are not noticed. 1481 01:15:52,382 --> 01:15:56,384 So, for me, it's called being the big question is, 1482 01:15:56,386 --> 01:15:58,553 is there a conspiracy behind this. 1483 01:15:58,555 --> 01:16:00,721 There is one specific jury, not Jessica, 1484 01:16:00,723 --> 01:16:04,125 who feel that we are judges sort of a broader responsibility 1485 01:16:04,127 --> 01:16:07,562 remember the context financial crisis of 2008, 1486 01:16:07,564 --> 01:16:09,864 to make an example out of this bank, 1487 01:16:09,866 --> 01:16:15,870 that somehow we do harm to... to the public, 1488 01:16:15,872 --> 01:16:20,808 for possible criminal justice system, by letting them run freely. 1489 01:16:20,810 --> 01:16:23,444 We sent the note on June 3 to the judge 1490 01:16:23,446 --> 01:16:26,247 that we are desperate dead. 1491 01:16:26,249 --> 01:16:28,583 8 is on the innocent side. 1492 01:16:28,585 --> 01:16:30,651 4 guilty, 1493 01:16:30,653 --> 01:16:33,220 and I am one of 4 in the guilty. 1494 01:16:41,363 --> 01:16:44,098 Hello? Hi. Good. 1495 01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:46,300 So they were dismissed today, 1496 01:16:46,302 --> 01:16:48,302 and they return with a note again 1497 01:16:48,304 --> 01:16:49,570 say that they are deadlocked 1498 01:16:49,572 --> 01:16:52,540 and both parties insist. 1499 01:16:52,542 --> 01:16:54,408 And one of the judges actually came out, 1500 01:16:54,410 --> 01:16:56,711 and he already told us yesterday 1501 01:16:56,713 --> 01:16:59,213 he plans to go and see his brother in Florida, 1502 01:16:59,215 --> 01:17:01,115 who have this very bad disease, 1503 01:17:01,117 --> 01:17:04,118 and be the judge promised that tomorrow night 1504 01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:05,653 he will leave, get out of here. 1505 01:17:05,655 --> 01:17:07,822 So the judge gives them what they call Allen's fees, 1506 01:17:07,824 --> 01:17:10,825 which basically says, "Go back and try to do this." 1507 01:17:10,827 --> 01:17:13,561 That means that at the end of tomorrow 1508 01:17:13,563 --> 01:17:15,029 whether there will be a decision, 1509 01:17:15,031 --> 01:17:16,664 or there will be a trial cancellation. 1510 01:17:16,666 --> 01:17:18,432 Tomorrow. There he is. 1511 01:17:18,434 --> 01:17:19,867 Tomorrow will be the last day, 1512 01:17:19,869 --> 01:17:21,302 whether or not there is a unanimous decision, 1513 01:17:21,304 --> 01:17:23,738 the judge will do it jury debit. 1514 01:17:23,740 --> 01:17:25,473 At the end of tomorrow, will be one or a decision. 1515 01:17:25,475 --> 01:17:26,974 It's over by the end of tomorrow 1516 01:17:26,976 --> 01:17:29,310 except Cy Vance, in unlimited wisdom, 1517 01:17:29,312 --> 01:17:31,512 decide to try this case again. 1518 01:17:33,782 --> 01:17:35,583 Jill, why did you call mom? 1519 01:17:35,585 --> 01:17:37,385 Mommy is concerned about welfare. 1520 01:17:37,387 --> 01:17:38,853 He is 80 years old, and he is already awake 1521 01:17:38,855 --> 01:17:41,022 since 5:30 am, and he doesn't eat anything for dinner. 1522 01:17:41,024 --> 01:17:42,189 We have to take you home, 1523 01:17:42,191 --> 01:17:43,357 so let's get food. 1524 01:17:43,359 --> 01:17:44,558 Papa, you do. 1525 01:17:46,429 --> 01:17:47,795 Can you hear mother? 1526 01:17:47,797 --> 01:17:49,130 So we will put him on a... 1527 01:17:49,132 --> 01:17:51,032 he will go home now, mother. 1528 01:17:51,034 --> 01:17:52,199 You have to go home, daddy. 1529 01:17:52,201 --> 01:17:54,468 Mommy is worried. 1530 01:17:57,139 --> 01:17:58,239 Good. We will eat. 1531 01:17:58,241 --> 01:17:59,974 You have to eat now. 1532 01:18:09,217 --> 01:18:11,352 It kills you. 1533 01:18:22,531 --> 01:18:25,366 After a long trial 1534 01:18:25,368 --> 01:18:28,002 and many accusations against them, 1535 01:18:28,004 --> 01:18:29,670 there will be very small possibility 1536 01:18:29,672 --> 01:18:34,875 that, you know, the bank will become truly freed. 1537 01:18:34,877 --> 01:18:38,612 The jury will find them guilty of something. 1538 01:18:38,614 --> 01:18:42,383 If we go down on one, that is defeat. 1539 01:18:42,385 --> 01:18:45,519 You know that must be 80 for nothing. 1540 01:18:45,521 --> 01:18:48,355 You are also a criminal, or not. 1541 01:18:48,357 --> 01:18:50,691 If you are found guilty of in one major crime, 1542 01:18:50,693 --> 01:18:53,994 it will be very serious consequences for the bank. 1543 01:19:08,276 --> 01:19:16,276 Articles "New York times" on Friday, June, 5, 2015. 1544 01:19:16,352 --> 01:19:19,687 "After a 4-month trial, a jury found 1545 01:19:19,689 --> 01:19:25,059 " Abacus Federal Savings Bank and two senior officers 1546 01:19:25,061 --> 01:19:30,831 "Not guilty of big theft and other costs on Thursday, 1547 01:19:30,833 --> 01:19:34,502 "Refusing Manhattan business district attorney 1548 01:19:34,504 --> 01:19:39,340 " To prove that banks are systematically lying for years 1549 01:19:39,342 --> 01:19:42,810 "to federal citizens mortgage associations. 1550 01:19:42,812 --> 01:19:46,947 " After the court clerk reads the 240 number 1551 01:19:46,949 --> 01:19:49,950 "and repetitive words & apos; innocent & apos; 1552 01:19:49,952 --> 01:19:54,955 " after each, Sung family members cry 1553 01:19:54,957 --> 01:19:57,458 and embrace each other. " 1554 01:20:04,533 --> 01:20:05,566 How do we feel? 1555 01:20:05,568 --> 01:20:06,967 How do you feel? 1556 01:20:06,969 --> 01:20:09,036 I feel relieved. Relief. 1557 01:20:09,038 --> 01:20:10,538 So much emotion. 1558 01:20:10,540 --> 01:20:11,939 Very very happy, even though. 1559 01:20:11,941 --> 01:20:15,042 No no. During the trial. 1560 01:20:15,044 --> 01:20:17,344 Now you can express your feelings. 1561 01:20:17,346 --> 01:20:19,313 I feel very happy. 1562 01:20:19,315 --> 01:20:21,482 I really look forward to all of us 1563 01:20:21,484 --> 01:20:23,984 can continue. 1564 01:20:23,986 --> 01:20:25,853 1565 01:20:27,389 --> 01:20:28,889 My father... we have to send a message to him, 1566 01:20:28,891 --> 01:20:30,758 and actually you wake up and call him. 1567 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:31,959 He doesn't respond to doing text, 1568 01:20:31,961 --> 01:20:33,427 so I call him. 1569 01:20:33,429 --> 01:20:34,628 He answers the phone 1570 01:20:34,630 --> 01:20:36,864 and just that sort of thing step back 1571 01:20:36,866 --> 01:20:39,366 and start microwave vegetables 1572 01:20:39,368 --> 01:20:43,871 and say, "um, what? There is a decision? 1573 01:20:43,873 --> 01:20:46,040 Oh Should I come?" 1574 01:20:46,042 --> 01:20:49,410 Like, you know, processing. 1575 01:20:49,412 --> 01:20:51,512 I don't feel great about it, 1576 01:20:51,514 --> 01:20:52,546 but I won't feel great 1577 01:20:52,548 --> 01:20:55,149 if the verdict is guilty. 1578 01:20:55,151 --> 01:20:57,484 How the law is read to us 1579 01:20:57,486 --> 01:20:59,687 is that under each cost all different elements 1580 01:20:59,689 --> 01:21:00,888 must be fulfilled. 1581 01:21:00,890 --> 01:21:03,657 In my mind, there are pretty much 1582 01:21:03,659 --> 01:21:07,361 3 of 4 requirements meet but not all, 1583 01:21:07,363 --> 01:21:11,832 and even though that you feel strong 1584 01:21:11,834 --> 01:21:14,535 that there is guilt in several aspects, 1585 01:21:14,537 --> 01:21:17,638 You cannot choose guilty verdict, 1586 01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,307 and that's where the change comes for 4 of us 1587 01:21:20,309 --> 01:21:23,043 to move to an innocent party. 1588 01:21:23,045 --> 01:21:25,613 It does the right thing. 1589 01:21:25,615 --> 01:21:28,649 In the end, is hard to believe 1590 01:21:28,651 --> 01:21:31,886 that prosecutors have spent time But years are needed 1591 01:21:31,888 --> 01:21:35,155 to really build the case then... 1592 01:21:35,157 --> 01:21:38,926 after they see everything their work has resulted... 1593 01:21:38,928 --> 01:21:42,696 that they will think that they have enough evidence 1594 01:21:42,698 --> 01:21:46,033 to take this case to court and win. 1595 01:21:46,035 --> 01:21:48,869 Abacus is not released. 1596 01:21:48,871 --> 01:21:50,037 That is not released. 1597 01:21:50,039 --> 01:21:54,942 Dismissal is when someone is proven to be innocent. 1598 01:21:54,944 --> 01:21:56,777 I don't think there are any here that say 1599 01:21:56,779 --> 01:21:58,946 that Abacus proved innocent. 1600 01:21:58,948 --> 01:22:00,581 Poor losers come to mind. 1601 01:22:00,583 --> 01:22:02,683 There is a right thing to say 1602 01:22:02,685 --> 01:22:05,486 when the prosecution office loses a case. 1603 01:22:05,488 --> 01:22:08,289 "We respect... even though we don't agree with the decision, 1604 01:22:08,291 --> 01:22:11,091 we respect the jury's sentence." 1605 01:22:11,093 --> 01:22:12,393 Exactly. 1606 01:22:12,395 --> 01:22:14,295 Of course I am very happy at that time. 1607 01:22:14,297 --> 01:22:15,863 I was very happy at that time. 1608 01:22:15,865 --> 01:22:18,065 I feel relieved 1609 01:22:18,067 --> 01:22:20,100 because it's been a long time, 1610 01:22:20,102 --> 01:22:26,573 and I just want... want... want to continue my normal life. 1611 01:22:26,575 --> 01:22:29,743 "Founder of the bank Thomas Sung... 1612 01:22:29,745 --> 01:22:33,280 " 79... 1613 01:22:33,282 --> 01:22:35,849 "Word, 1614 01:22:35,851 --> 01:22:39,820 " & apos; This wrong prosecution runs out of a small community bank 1615 01:22:39,822 --> 01:22:41,055 "& apos; like ours. 1616 01:22:41,057 --> 01:22:43,023 " This is gross injustice, 1617 01:22:43,025 --> 01:22:44,725 "Not only for small banks, 1618 01:22:44,727 --> 01:22:47,494 "& apos; But it makes a shadow in our community. 1619 01:22:47,496 --> 01:22:50,898 This is really prejudice and incorrect. & apos;" 1620 01:22:52,702 --> 01:22:54,001 good. 1621 01:22:56,805 --> 01:22:58,205 Not guilty. 1622 01:23:02,510 --> 01:23:05,679 Not guilty. Not guilty. Not guilty. 1623 01:23:05,681 --> 01:23:09,917 The D.A. has been completely and completely gone. 1624 01:23:12,822 --> 01:23:16,824 Now this section is very important. 1625 01:23:16,826 --> 01:23:20,694 We Chinese must learn from other minorities 1626 01:23:20,696 --> 01:23:23,864 when it comes for the benefit of the community, 1627 01:23:23,866 --> 01:23:27,801 You have to let those who are in power know 1628 01:23:27,803 --> 01:23:29,703 that this will happen never happens again. 1629 01:23:29,705 --> 01:23:32,006 Everyone's fair game, 1630 01:23:32,008 --> 01:23:33,741 and the question is what will we do about that? 1631 01:23:33,743 --> 01:23:36,243 I think we need to choose, and we need to challenge people 1632 01:23:36,245 --> 01:23:38,012 to make them responsible. 1633 01:23:46,254 --> 01:23:48,622 Yes. Superimposed. 1634 01:23:59,034 --> 01:24:03,303 Good. I'm very happy you're all here 1635 01:24:03,305 --> 01:24:05,139 in a very happy moment, 1636 01:24:05,141 --> 01:24:09,276 and I want to thank everyone support and dedication 1637 01:24:09,278 --> 01:24:11,612 The last 5 years we went 1638 01:24:11,614 --> 01:24:14,415 through this unusual experience, 1639 01:24:14,417 --> 01:24:17,684 and let's look happier the next day. 1640 01:24:17,686 --> 01:24:19,653 Good. Listen up. Listen up. 1641 01:24:19,655 --> 01:24:21,488 Let us eat cake! Let's eat cake! 1642 01:24:21,490 --> 01:24:23,357 Let them eat cake. 1643 01:24:23,359 --> 01:24:25,225 This is really good. 1644 01:24:25,227 --> 01:24:28,262 This is green tea. Black beans, green tea. 1645 01:24:28,264 --> 01:24:31,465 There are many different flavors. 1646 01:24:31,467 --> 01:24:32,933 Jill, voice-over: Not really celebra... 1647 01:24:32,935 --> 01:24:34,568 I mean, we are proven right, and that's great, 1648 01:24:34,570 --> 01:24:36,303 but our goal is never to go through criminal trials 1649 01:24:36,305 --> 01:24:37,604 and proved true. 1650 01:24:37,606 --> 01:24:40,574 Our goal is to serve our community, right, 1651 01:24:40,576 --> 01:24:43,811 so this is very unfortunate. 1652 01:24:43,813 --> 01:24:45,079 This is a tragedy. 1653 01:24:45,081 --> 01:24:47,581 We have lots of cakes. We may have too many cakes. 1654 01:24:51,754 --> 01:24:54,021 The fact that they found innocence 1655 01:24:54,023 --> 01:24:58,192 give us all that hope America we trust 1656 01:24:58,194 --> 01:25:00,828 still... you still have a chance, 1657 01:25:00,830 --> 01:25:04,064 but that will cost you $ 10 million. 1658 01:25:04,066 --> 01:25:06,700 Thomas, voiceover: The Chinese have a saying. 1659 01:25:06,702 --> 01:25:13,107 If you want very hard, steel sharply makes swords, 1660 01:25:13,109 --> 01:25:15,409 You have to go through fire. 1661 01:25:15,411 --> 01:25:20,280 This experience must be done my daughter is stronger, 1662 01:25:20,282 --> 01:25:22,783 makes them better people. 1663 01:25:22,785 --> 01:25:24,384 Vera, voice-over: I got an SMS from a friend, 1664 01:25:24,386 --> 01:25:26,587 which is part of China immigrant community, 1665 01:25:26,589 --> 01:25:29,223 and he said that he saw on the news this morning 1666 01:25:29,225 --> 01:25:33,594 and feel proud become a Chinese American, 1667 01:25:33,596 --> 01:25:37,097 so that really makes it all this is valuable. 1668 01:25:38,933 --> 01:25:41,368 Good. 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